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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | ibeardslee | whenever I have to push myself hard I have that at the top of my list |
| 00:00 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 00:00 | ibeardslee | I often wonder about my background from my Dad's Mother's side |
| 00:01 | part Blackfoot | |
| 00:01 | so much lost, so much gone | |
| 00:01 | rangi | yeah |
| 00:01 | ibeardslee | :( |
| 00:08 | pianohacker | rangi: signed off, attached, emailed, let me know if everything's kosher |
| 00:09 | and that's enough for the day, bye all | |
| 00:09 | rangi | thanks, looks good to me |
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| 00:58 | glernil | blank notices are being sent to the patron who checked-out more than one item.. any work around? |
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| 00:59 | glernil | i'm using the debian "koha-common" package |
| 01:01 | eythian | do you have the notice set up? |
| 01:04 | glernil | i think so.. it can send notice with complete info when a patron only checked-out 1 item.. if more than one the notice being sent is blank.. no list of checked out item |
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| 01:07 | eythian | hmm. You'll have to find someone who knows more about notices than I do I'm afraid. |
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| 02:02 | sekjal | when you have to fall back on title/callnumber as a unique identifier for a biblio, you know you're desperate |
| 02:07 | bg | hi |
| 02:07 | heh desperation | |
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| 03:28 | hdl | hi |
| 03:29 | rangi | hi hdl |
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| 03:30 | Amit_Gupta | heya chris |
| 03:30 | heya all | |
| 03:30 | rangi | hi Amit_Gupta |
| 03:30 | Amit_Gupta | Good morning koha ;) |
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| 04:02 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 04:03 | rangi | hi Brooke |
| 04:03 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 04:05 | I pēhea tō rā? | |
| 04:07 | rangi | ahua pai, engari kei te ngenge au |
| 04:07 | * Brooke | hands rangi a flat white. |
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| 04:19 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 04:20 | Space_Librarian | \0 |
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| 04:22 | Brooke | tag |
| 04:22 | Space_Librarian | morning cait |
| 04:22 | cait | hi Brooke and Space_Librarian |
| 04:22 | :) | |
| 04:23 | rangi | hi cait |
| 04:23 | go back to sleep | |
| 04:23 | cait | heeh |
| 04:24 | would love to do that, but it's my normal wake up time | |
| 04:24 | eythian | why do you get up in the middle of the night? |
| 04:25 | Space_Librarian | to catch a train? |
| 04:25 | * Space_Librarian | is trying to remember the last time we had this conversation.... |
| 04:25 | cait | um work? |
| 04:25 | wahanui | work is progressing nicely |
| 04:25 | cait | it's 6:30 |
| 04:26 | last time we had this conversation it was before 5 I think | |
| 04:26 | Space_Librarian | yes it was |
| 04:26 | eythian | yes, the middle of the night. |
| 04:26 | (6:30 I mean) | |
| 04:27 | cait | yeah, it is. |
| 04:27 | eythian: i have no more ideas about that bug - asked magnuse to test it, not sure when he will find time | |
| 04:28 | I just can't make it work the way it work for you :( | |
| 04:29 | eythian | that's pretty strange really |
| 04:30 | cait | yeah |
| 04:33 | rangi | yay!!!! |
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| 04:33 | rangi | http://www.3news.co.nz/Airport[…]3505/Default.aspx |
| 04:33 | Brooke | namaste |
| 04:33 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
| 04:34 | Namaste Brooke | |
| 04:34 | cait | yay ! |
| 04:35 | kmkale | back from a holiday but brought viral fever with me :( |
| 04:35 | bg | :( |
| 04:35 | cait | :( |
| 04:36 | rangi | stink one |
| 04:38 | Space_Librarian | namaste kmkale. Oh no! :( |
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| 04:40 | kmkale_ | Hi Shelly saw your paper abstract :) |
| 04:40 | Also Jo has submitted one. So if she is attending may be we can ask her for the keynote? | |
| 04:40 | Brooke | :D |
| 04:40 | * Brooke | would be non neutrally all for that. |
| 04:41 | kmkale_ | I may not be able to attend tomorrows Volunteers meeting. May be at the doctors at that time. Can someone hold forte? |
| 04:41 | I will try but may not make it | |
| 04:41 | Brooke | send me the minutes of the stuff you want to say |
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| 04:42 | kmkale_ | Nothing much Abstracts need to be reviewed and we need sponsors still only the one sponsor :( |
| 04:43 | Also we need a heds up about whos staying behind for the Hackfest after the con | |
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| 04:53 | * Space_Librarian | needs to figure out how to be in 2 places at once tomorrow... |
| 04:54 | cait | if you do, can you share? |
| 04:54 | kmkale_ | :) |
| 04:56 | Space_Librarian | I will let you in on the secret, yes. If I figure it out in time. |
| 04:57 | Brooke | no more than 3 turns! |
| 04:57 | cait | Space_Librarian: :) |
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| 04:59 | cait | hm back to 69 |
| 04:59 | hm bug 5580 | |
| 04:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5580 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , BibLibre acq improvements for 3.4 |
| 04:59 | cait | any reason to not close that one? |
| 05:00 | rangi | nope everything it depends on is resolved |
| 05:00 | cait | :) |
| 05:01 | rangi | yay! |
| 05:02 | cait | that one was easy |
| 05:03 | I wonder abut bug 6090 | |
| 05:03 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6090 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , empty mails in message_queue are sent |
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| 05:09 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6190> |
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| 05:22 | cait | 67 :) |
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| 05:35 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 05:35 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.7�C (7:35 AM CEST on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady). |
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| 05:52 | kmkale | bbl |
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| 05:57 | magnuse | git bz |
| 05:57 | git bz? | |
| 05:57 | git-bz? | |
| 05:57 | wahanui | hmmm... git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration |
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| 06:03 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6437] Div tag needed in advsearch <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6437> |
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| 06:08 | Ropuch | Morning #koha! |
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| 06:09 | cait | hi Ropuch |
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| 06:16 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
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| 06:17 | Amit_Gupta | heya alex_a, cait |
| 06:17 | kmkale | Hi Amit_Gupta |
| 06:17 | hi cait | |
| 06:17 | * cait | waves |
| 06:19 | alex_a | hi Amit_Gupta, cait |
| 06:28 | magnuse | bonjour Ropuch, cait, alex_a, Amit_Gupta, kmkale & #koha |
| 06:29 | cait | hi magnue |
| 06:29 | magnuse even | |
| 06:29 | kmkale | Namaste magnuse :) |
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| 06:30 | Oak | \o |
| 06:30 | magnuse | o/ |
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| 06:31 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:31 | wahanui | hey, reiveune |
| 06:34 | kmkale | hey in case anyone of you needs invitation letters to attend Kohacon for Visa etc please let me know. |
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| 06:49 | julian | hello #koha |
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| 07:38 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:39 | magnuse | hi kf |
| 07:40 | kf | hi magnuse |
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| 07:40 | rangi | i have emailed Yury and asked him to send me a gpg encrypted email outlining the vulnerability they have discovered |
| 07:40 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 07:41 | kf | oh |
| 07:42 | new sec bug? | |
| 07:42 | rangi | yep |
| 07:42 | magnuse | kf: there's amil on the list |
| 07:43 | s/amil/a mail/ | |
| 07:43 | kf | security lab |
| 07:43 | interesting | |
| 07:43 | wahanui | interesting is good |
| 07:43 | rangi | ive asked them to send me encrypted mail |
| 07:44 | kf | ok |
| 07:44 | hope it's nothing really bad | |
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| 07:45 | rangi | well nothing is bad once its found |
| 07:45 | the only bad bugs are the ones not known about :) | |
| 07:45 | magnuse | true dat |
| 07:45 | rangi | and i quite like the fact security firms are looking |
| 07:46 | magnuse | we do have a couple of open xss bugs... |
| 07:46 | rangi | its most likely something like that |
| 07:46 | paul_p | rangi, I wrote a mail to say you're the man to contact too ;-) |
| 07:47 | kf | I wonder why they were looking? |
| 07:48 | rangi | thanks paul_p |
| 07:48 | paul_p: do you have a gpg key? | |
| 07:49 | kf | http://en.securitylab.ru/lab/ there is a koha entry |
| 07:50 | paul_p | rangi, nope. I was investigating recently, but could not finish ... |
| 07:53 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gpg_keys |
| 07:54 | magnuse | too bad we forgot about the key signing thingy durig kohacon10... (not that i know what that really means or anything... ;-) |
| 07:54 | rangi | medium |
| 07:54 | im guessing xss | |
| 07:56 | magnuse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party | |
| 07:56 | im going to try to do one at ALA | |
| 07:57 | magnuse | don't say that, you'll tempt kf even more ;-) |
| 07:57 | rangi | when liw was in nz, he signed my (and others keys) |
| 07:57 | you'll notice that when i send things as the rm | |
| 07:57 | i sign my mails | |
| 07:57 | which means thats you can verify it came from me | |
| 07:58 | magnuse | cool |
| 07:59 | rangi | but equally as useful |
| 07:59 | which my public key (available all over the place) | |
| 07:59 | which=with | |
| 07:59 | you can encrypt a mail to me, that only I can decrypt | |
| 07:59 | liw | yay for gpg and keysigning (not a big fan of keysigning parties, but they're bad or anything) |
| 08:00 | rangi | keysigning lunches are more fun :) |
| 08:00 | liw | definitely |
| 08:00 | magnuse | ooh, now we're talking ;-) |
| 08:05 | kf | magnuse: hmpf! |
| 08:17 | mib_3pfr02 | hi #koha |
| 08:21 | in koha marc record entry form which field is using to enter the editors,compilers and translators ? | |
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| 08:23 | rangi | marc21, unimarc or normarc mib_3pfr02 ? |
| 08:24 | (not really a koha question, more a MARC/Cataloguing question) | |
| 08:24 | mib_3pfr02 | marc21 |
| 08:24 | rangi | you probably need to find a cataloguer to ask |
| 08:25 | unless someone knows the answer off the top of their head | |
| 08:25 | otherwise http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ | |
| 08:25 | magnuse | i guess the short answer is, it's not done differently in koha than in marc21... ;-) |
| 08:25 | rangi | what he said :) |
| 08:26 | mib_3pfr02 | for entering author name I used tag100 (Main entry Personal Name) |
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| 08:34 | kf | ah, now he is gone |
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| 08:41 | slef | my scrollback didn't go far enough to see the questions |
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| 08:43 | magnuse | <mib_3pfr02> in koha marc record entry form which field is using to enter the editors,compilers and translators ? |
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| 08:46 | mib_3pfr02 | hi #koha |
| 08:50 | can anyone help me to find the answer? | |
| 08:50 | kf | ther eis no easy answer |
| 08:51 | the fields can be different for every book or media you want to catalog | |
| 08:51 | magnuse | but field 100 and 700 are probably the ones to look at? |
| 08:51 | kf | marc21 / cataloging is a bit complicated |
| 08:51 | yeah | |
| 08:51 | magnuse | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd100.html |
| 08:51 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd700.html | |
| 08:51 | kf | @marc 100 |
| 08:51 | huginn` | kf: A personal name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8] |
| 08:51 | kf | @marc 700 |
| 08:51 | huginn` | kf: An added entry in which the entry element is a personal name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8] |
| 08:51 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 08:55 | slef | yeah pretty sure you want name in 700$a and the relationship in 700$e |
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| 08:56 | slef | with code in $4 |
| 08:56 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/relacode.html | |
| 08:56 | but I'm no cataloguer | |
| 08:59 | mib_3pfr02 | ok thanks alot <slef> |
| 08:59 | slef | ok, I'm running patches2bugs again |
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| 09:19 | magnuse | hm, in 3.4.2 i have email enabled for item checkout, but no message is put in the message_queue table when i do a checkout? |
| 09:19 | s/3.4.2/3.4.1/ | |
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| 09:49 | kf | magnuse: where did you enable it |
| 09:49 | ? | |
| 09:49 | and have you notices defined for it? | |
| 09:49 | magnuse | it worked in 3.2.6... |
| 09:49 | kf | enhmessaging preference, patron record and or patron category |
| 09:49 | how long have you waited? | |
| 09:50 | it waits a little while until it generates the message | |
| 09:50 | magnuse | before putting it in message_queue? |
| 09:51 | it's been et least 10 minutes now, and still nothing in message_queue | |
| 09:52 | nothing is selected for the patron category, but it is selected for the specific user | |
| 09:53 | EnhancedMessagingPreferences = Allow | |
| 09:54 | all boxes are green under Item Circulation Alerts | |
| 10:02 | to be continued - after lunch... | |
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| 10:09 | druthb | \o |
| 10:11 | rangi | hi druthb |
| 10:13 | druthb | hi, rangi. :) |
| 10:18 | kmkale | hi druthb :) |
| 10:21 | * druthb | waves to kmkale. |
| 10:25 | kf | hi druthb |
| 10:25 | :) | |
| 10:26 | druthb | :) |
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| 10:30 | NurAhammad | hi everyone |
| 10:30 | how are you? | |
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| 10:33 | clrh | Bonjour |
| 10:33 | wahanui | que tal, clrh |
| 10:34 | kf | I have a request |
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| 11:02 | kf | hm, picking the collective #koha brain |
| 11:02 | does someone have a link to a koha+sopac opac? | |
| 11:08 | judging from the sopac website and forums the project seems not very active | |
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| 11:29 | slef | kf: searched biblibre? |
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| 11:35 | kf | searched the web |
| 11:35 | not much success so far | |
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| 11:35 | kf | slef :) |
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| 11:40 | clrh | kf yes |
| 11:40 | ask alex_a | |
| 11:40 | maybe a demo site somewhere ;) | |
| 11:40 | kf | ah, so it's not used in production? |
| 11:41 | alex_a: around? | |
| 11:41 | alex_a | kf: yes ? |
| 11:43 | hdl | kf : yes it is used in production |
| 11:43 | kf | alex_a: I was searching for a sopac example |
| 11:43 | alex_a | kf: http://sopac.biblibre.com/ |
| 11:43 | hdl | kf: look at darienlibrary. It uses sopac |
| 11:44 | kf | koha + sopac |
| 11:45 | alex_a | kf: sopac.biblibre.com is a demo of sopac using ilsdi connector for koha |
| 11:46 | kf | alex_a, clrh: thx |
| 11:46 | I hoped perhaps a library would be using it | |
| 11:47 | alex_a | kf: yes, a french library: http://drupal.romorantin.fr/ |
| 11:47 | but theming is not finished | |
| 11:48 | kf | thx again :) |
| 11:48 | I am giving a presentation about koha in a session where vufind will be a big topic | |
| 11:49 | so I was looking for koha and alternative discovery interfaces | |
| 11:49 | I know there is BRAC using vufind and was looking for a sopac example | |
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| 11:51 | alex_a | kf: sopac is not out of the box |
| 11:51 | it needs a lot of bugfix | |
| 11:51 | kf | ah ok |
| 11:51 | so perhaps say it can be done | |
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| 11:52 | vfernandes | hi ppl :) |
| 11:52 | kf is now known as kf_mtg | |
| 11:52 | kf_mtg | have a meeting now, thx for the help, will be back later :) |
| 11:53 | alex_a | kf_mtg: no pbm |
| 11:53 | vfernandes | guys what means 'L', 'F' and 'FU' in the accountline table? |
| 11:55 | F => Fine? | |
| 12:00 | jwagner | vfernandes, see http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Hard_Coded_Values |
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| 12:18 | conan | hello everyone |
| 12:18 | I'll start the morning firing up a question | |
| 12:18 | where does koha store the patron renewal period? | |
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| 12:19 | conan | I don't see it on Administration>Patrons, nor looking for 'renewal' |
| 12:21 | oleonard | conan: It is under Administration -> Patron types and categories |
| 12:22 | "Enrollment period" is the label in English | |
| 12:24 | conan | oleonard++ |
| 12:24 | thanks | |
| 12:25 | you know... I probably set that a couple of days ago... I guess it takes time to get to know by heart all the stuff | |
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| 13:17 | vfernandes | jwagner thanks |
| 13:17 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6442] opacnav pref explained wrong <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6442> |
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| 13:32 | nengard | the patch for bug 6442 is a tini tiny one if anyone wants to get sign off credit :) |
| 13:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6442 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , opacnav pref explained wrong |
| 13:33 | bigbrovar | Hi guys, is there a way to search for and delete duplicate entries in koha? I got a spreadsheet from our librarian which I converted to marc file and imported to koha. however (despite my warning) some of the files in the spreadsheet she gave me were duplicates of entries already in koha. |
| 13:34 | now I to figure a way to hunt down this duplicated enteries and delete them or even if I have to delete all items and start from sratch | |
| 13:34 | conan | bigbrovar: I believe koha finds those duplicates and don't insert them... but I'm not sure, are you getting duplicated biblio data in DB? |
| 13:35 | bigbrovar | conan: when I search opac I see dulicate entries show up even though |
| 13:35 | nengard | if it's duplicate bibs i think i have a report for that on the wiki |
| 13:36 | magnuse | does anyone have check in/check out emails working in 3.4? i don't, and i can't for the life of me see what's wrong... |
| 13:36 | bigbrovar | basically 50% of the items I imported were already in records :/ |
| 13:36 | am on 3.4 btw | |
| 13:36 | conan | bigbrovar: did you set up matching rules in Home › Administration › Record Matching Rules ?? |
| 13:37 | bigbrovar | conan: nno let me check that out. (still getting a grip of koha :) ) |
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| 13:40 | bigbrovar | conan: the matching rule by default uses isbn and issn which is fine, I might have to add more though. mainwhile whats the best way to find dublicates. without having to empty the biblo records and starting from scratch |
| 13:41 | hilongo | Hello #koha :) |
| 13:41 | conan | hilongo: hello karma claimer :P |
| 13:42 | bigbrovar: you can put different weight to your rules | |
| 13:42 | bigbrovar: about finding dups, have you access to DB? | |
| 13:43 | I'd do it at DB level | |
| 13:43 | bigbrovar | yeah I do via phpmyadmin |
| 13:46 | conan | bigbrovar: well you have items information saved in items table, then you have biblio and biblioitems which also record bibliographic information |
| 13:46 | oleonard | library_systems_guy: I signed off on your patch for Bug 6437. |
| 13:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6437 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tdavis, ASSIGNED , Div tag needed in advsearch |
| 13:46 | conan | I guess you'll have to check a couple of dups to know at which level you have dups |
| 13:46 | wizzyrea | library_systems_guy++ oleonard++ |
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| 13:47 | bigbrovar | guess its just easier to delete everything and start all over. delete all records and start from scratch |
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| 13:50 | conan | bigbrovar: I can't give you a made up SQL sentence since I haven't been in this situation before, I'm pretty new here |
| 13:51 | bigbrovar: but I guess starting over should not be a good decision, at least not right now | |
| 13:51 | bigbrovar: try to massage your data a little bit, give yourself an hour to look into the problem | |
| 13:51 | there's no assurance that you wont get dups again | |
| 13:52 | start working with biblioitems | |
| 13:52 | look for the dups and look into the data to find something that lead you to differentiate them | |
| 13:53 | kf | oleonard: sometimes git bz apply didn't work forme but git am -is3 worked perfectly fine - I see your comment on 6190 |
| 13:53 | bigbrovar | conan: u are very right, just that am still new to koha have learnt quite a lot but this is not a full time job just something I do in my free time. still alot to learn. starting over would be easier for me. though I wish there was a way to do this cleaning |
| 13:54 | oleonard | Thanks kf I'll try again. |
| 13:54 | bigbrovar | It would have been more ideal if there was a tool which can check records and bring up dups without having to mess with db. am not a db guy u see :/ just the very basic to get by |
| 13:56 | wizzyrea | there are entire companies devoted to deduping bibliographic databases |
| 13:56 | it's all they do, and they are highly paid for it | |
| 13:56 | :P | |
| 13:56 | so it's not easy for anybody. | |
| 14:02 | bigbrovar | wizzyrea: the more reason why I should just start from scratch, I still have the .mrc files of all the enteries with me, so hopefully all should be fine :) |
| 14:02 | wizzyrea | bigbrovar: are you losing a lot of work if you start over? |
| 14:02 | oleonard | kf: No luck applying the patch directly. But I'm glad to know I should try. |
| 14:02 | conan | bigbrovar: good luck, be sure to set up right your matching rules before, so you don't get into the same situation |
| 14:02 | kf | :) |
| 14:02 | bigbrovar | wizzyrea: nope not really, just need to know if emptying the biblio db is same process as it was in 3.2 in which case I usually just delete biblio from mysql |
| 14:02 | conan: yeah its one of those moment u go back and hit urself in the head "damn I should have setup the matching rules " | |
| 14:12 | wizzyrea: in koha 3.2 to delete all records I deleted entries in the following tables delete from biblioitems, items and biblio. those this still apply in koha 3.4? | |
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| 14:13 | wizzyrea | the tables haven't changed afaik |
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| 15:14 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:34 | wizzyrea | oleonard: lol |
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| 15:55 | hdl | bug 619 |
| 15:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=619 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Visiting selectbranchprinter.pl automatically resets branch |
| 15:55 | hdl | bug 6190 |
| 15:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6190 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Custom field removal from patron entry screens |
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| 16:01 | oleonard | Did you test that one hdl? |
| 16:02 | hdl | Nope. I had something quite similar for one of our libraries... Would be glad it finally comes in for 3.6. But have little time to test that. |
| 16:06 | * wizzyrea | will try it out |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | patch doesn't apply for me either |
| 16:12 | (either way) | |
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| 16:59 | clrh | bybye koha |
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| 18:35 | oleonard | Is it Friday and no one told me? This place feels like a Friday today... |
| 18:35 | jwagner | oleonard, I _wish_ it was Friday! |
| 18:36 | @wunder 20740 | |
| 18:36 | huginn` | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 35.4�C (2:39 PM EDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... |
| 18:36 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 18:36 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 30.0�C (2:35 PM EDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:36 | oleonard | At least your weather makes mine look good |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 18:37 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.8�C (1:41 PM CDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:37 | jwagner | That's not much comfort. I have trouble breathing when the air quality is this bad -- working from home & not going out.... |
| 18:40 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 18:40 | huginn` | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 16.0�C (3:00 PM ART on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:41 | jwagner | Let's all go to Argentina.... |
| 18:41 | tcohen | you r all invited, asado at home |
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| 18:42 | wizzyrea | nom! |
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| 18:51 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6444] Encoding problems with vendor names in subscription-add.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6444> |
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| 19:05 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 19:05 | huginn` | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.1�C (12:09 PM PDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
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| 19:11 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:11 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0�C (9:00 PM CEST on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
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| 19:17 | magnuse | g'evening #koha |
| 19:18 | * magnuse | will see an eclipse of the midnight sun in a couple hours, if the clouds collaborate http://science.nasa.gov/scienc[…]1may_midnightsun/ |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | !!! awesome |
| 19:20 | magnuse | yup |
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| 19:26 | skushner | Geez, Tornado watch in this area...and we're on the east coast! |
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| 19:26 | wizzyrea | I just saw that! wtf! |
| 19:27 | skushner | Don't know...weird. |
| 19:29 | rhcl | Where approximately are you on the east coast? Tornados aren't that unusual for Florida. |
| 19:29 | skushner | New Jersey |
| 19:29 | rhcl | Oh, that's north of Florida |
| 19:30 | skushner | Yes, it is |
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| 19:41 | rangi | skushner: you know whats sad, the only thing young people here know about nj is jersey shore |
| 19:43 | nengard | while that's all wrong ... it's not that much better :) |
| 19:43 | sorry - lived there way way too long | |
| 19:43 | got away as soon as I could | |
| 19:44 | sekjal | skushner: tornado warning here in MA, too |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | warning or watch! |
| 19:44 | if it's a warning why aren't you in the basement? | |
| 19:45 | * wizzyrea | gives sekjal the stern, kansan, eye |
| 19:45 | sekjal | wizzyrea: I am (that's where my office is) |
| 19:45 | well, lower floor | |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | good. Middle of the house? |
| 19:45 | sekjal | no, facing a couple windows at the moment |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | !!! |
| 19:45 | rhcl | gee, give him a break...gonna quiz him about food and water and his tetnas shot? |
| 19:45 | :) | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | hrmph |
| 19:46 | sekjal | http://forecast.weather.gov/ww[…]Tornado%20Warning |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | !!!! |
| 19:46 | sekjal | @wunder 01373 |
| 19:46 | rhcl | Tetanus |
| 19:46 | huginn` | sekjal: The current temperature in Plain Road East, South Deerfield, Massachusetts is 30.2�C (3:05 PM EDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling). Tornado Watch 411 in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | do not like! |
| 19:46 | rhcl | @wunder 64505 |
| 19:46 | huginn` | rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 27.4�C (2:50 PM CDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:47 | nengard | @wunder 19030 |
| 19:47 | huginn` | nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 33.6�C (3:50 PM EDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... |
| 19:47 | sekjal | it did get awfully dark and rainy all of a sudden |
| 19:47 | nengard | bleh |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | I like that -- our weather reports never ask for people to report tornadoes |
| 19:47 | magnuse | wow, that's hot! |
| 19:47 | nengard | yuh huh |
| 19:47 | I'm inside with the air on and a fan blowing on me | |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | (because we have spotters) |
| 19:48 | i will get quite worried if sekjal goes offline all of a sudden O.O | |
| 19:48 | sekjal | I'm thinking perhaps I should switch to the laptop, in case I lose power |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | do you have sirens? |
| 19:49 | or do they depend on the TV EAS activation? | |
| 19:49 | tv/radio | |
| 19:49 | sekjal | ... I really don't know. Just moved up here |
| 19:49 | pretty sure no sirens | |
| 19:49 | though my wife is reporting alarms on UMass campus | |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 19:51 | what's your zip, sekjal? | |
| 19:51 | (for the wx site) | |
| 19:51 | magnuse | 01373 maybe? |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | argle bargle! |
| 19:52 | http://radar.weather.gov/radar[…]=11101111&loop=no | |
| 19:52 | rangi | I figure tornado drill is much the same as earthquake |
| 19:53 | ie get away from outside walls/windows | |
| 19:53 | danmc | sekjal: umass boston? or amherst? |
| 19:53 | tornados in boston are indeed unusual. | |
| 19:53 | sekjal | wizzyrea: 01373 |
| 19:53 | danmc | for that matter when I lived in the city, we rarely had thunderstorms |
| 19:53 | sekjal | danmc: amherst |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | except for the part where there is whirling splinters and glass |
| 19:54 | only falling stuff like that in earthquakes :) | |
| 19:55 | rangi | nope |
| 19:55 | sekjal | going to log off briefly, pack up the cats, move to the center of the house, and then log back in |
| 19:55 | rangi | when windows shatter |
| 19:55 | oleonard | http://i.imgur.com/HTHoC.jpg |
| 19:55 | rangi | shit flies |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | right, but it's not necessarily whirling in the air at 200mph |
| 19:56 | rangi | when the whole wall flexes and snaps back it essentially fires glass at you |
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| 19:56 | wizzyrea | yea that's bad |
| 19:56 | oleonard | http://i.imgur.com/smF2z.jpg |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 19:56 | that | |
| 19:56 | danmc | and the whole "take refuge in a hot air balloon" approach works better with earthquakes ;) |
| 19:56 | rangi | but it only does it once |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | hehe danmc |
| 19:57 | I'm not *really* trying to argue with you ^.^ | |
| 19:58 | rangi | oh I was reading about the underpass thing and tornadoes |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | oh sheesh, no kidding. |
| 19:58 | rangi | just drive faster looks like the real advice |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | get in the ditch face down with your head covered |
| 19:59 | is what I usually hear | |
| 19:59 | dirty, but better than dying :P | |
| 19:59 | skushner | Man..just got our VM and San, but not installed yet...hope nothing happens here, or anywhere! Jersey Shore = New Yorkers.. |
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| 20:00 | skushner | data not backed up to the cloud yet... |
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| 20:00 | sekjal | wow, my cats are pissed! (put them in their carriers) |
| 20:00 | rangi | obnam skushner |
| 20:00 | check it out sometime :) | |
| 20:01 | liw | rangi's my best marketer :) |
| 20:01 | rangi | hehe |
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| 20:04 | wizzyrea | wow that storm is just not going away |
| 20:05 | rangi | magnuse: there was a tv show last night |
| 20:05 | they followed police for 24hr on the same day | |
| 20:05 | in 4 cities | |
| 20:05 | auckland, perth, oslo, and san francisco | |
| 20:05 | (well it was 12, the next 12 is next week) | |
| 20:05 | I like norwegian policing | |
| 20:06 | magnuse | heh |
| 20:06 | no guns? | |
| 20:07 | rangi | yeah same as here |
| 20:07 | less yelling and macho bullcrap than perth too | |
| 20:07 | * wizzyrea | is not at all surprised by that |
| 20:07 | rangi | for better results |
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| 20:08 | magnuse | yeah, i think they do get some things right |
| 20:08 | rangi | lots more snow also hehe |
| 20:08 | magnuse | surprise! |
| 20:09 | you probably have police on snowscooters in some places... | |
| 20:09 | rangi | :) |
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| 20:09 | ibeardslee | hmmmmm |
| 20:09 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 20:09 | rangi | san fran seem to be doing some stuff right too |
| 20:09 | they have reinstated foot patrols | |
| 20:10 | sekjal | thunder's getting intense |
| 20:10 | rangi | and talking to ppl like they are humans |
| 20:10 | ibeardslee | wot?!? |
| 20:10 | wahanui | i think wot is d diff btw Staff client interface and OPAC |
| 20:10 | rangi | situations escalate less |
| 20:11 | heh | |
| 20:11 | thanks wahanui | |
| 20:11 | * oleonard | wonders who told wahanui that |
| 20:11 | magnuse | some real sinsight from wahanui there... |
| 20:12 | rangi | kf++ |
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| 20:12 | ibeardslee | sinsight? is that like a curved vision? |
| 20:13 | cait | the mail? |
| 20:13 | magnuse | nah, more like sin-sight |
| 20:13 | rangi | yep |
| 20:13 | coffee time brb | |
| 20:13 | cait | hm thx |
| 20:13 | druthb++ | |
| 20:13 | she knows why | |
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| 20:15 | rhcl | rhcl wonders if druthb has ever installed Koha in a VBox VM on a netbook? |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | she has, I know it to be true |
| 20:16 | * oleonard | is off |
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| 20:17 | Brooke | druthb++ |
| 20:17 | I surely would agree with Cait's sound logic. | |
| 20:19 | cait | magnuse: could the mail problem you see be related to us renaming the variables? |
| 20:19 | magnuse | which variables? |
| 20:20 | cait | the message_name thing was changed for 3.4 because of template toolkit |
| 20:20 | supposed to have an underscore now I think | |
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| 20:21 | cait | WHERE message_attributes.message_name = 'Item Check-in' this here has changed |
| 20:22 | magnuse | yes, in message_attributes it says Item_Check_in - obiously not a match! |
| 20:23 | rangi | ohh good spotting |
| 20:23 | cait | :) |
| 20:23 | rangi | now you just have to reply to the email |
| 20:23 | so others dont reply and give wild goose chase answers ;-) | |
| 20:23 | cait | habe you talked to druthb? |
| 20:24 | rangi | today? |
| 20:24 | wahanui | rumour has it today is Black Friday |
| 20:24 | rangi | nope |
| 20:24 | cait | hm |
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| 20:24 | magnuse | but when i put WHERE message_attributes.message_name = 'Item_Check_in' in the query i still get 0 results |
| 20:24 | cait | hm |
| 20:24 | does it work in mysql? | |
| 20:24 | magnuse | well, it's certainly an angle worth pursuing! |
| 20:25 | no, empty set when i run it in mysql | |
| 20:25 | cait | and have you waited a little bit? |
| 20:25 | rangi | it should show in that query pretty much instantenous |
| 20:25 | magnuse | hm, running the query should not rely on anything else, i think |
| 20:25 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:26 | magnuse | it's just asking for what types of messages to send |
| 20:26 | not related to any concrete "action" | |
| 20:26 | cait | ah |
| 20:26 | rangi | magnuse |
| 20:27 | try it without AND borrower_message_preferences.borrowernumber = 51; | |
| 20:27 | and see if you get any results that way (maybe limit 10 just in case) | |
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| 20:27 | magnuse | oh well, i'll have to look more at that tomorrow, i'm gonna have to go outside and look for the midnight sun eclipse now! |
| 20:28 | cait | oh, now that it gets exciting |
| 20:28 | :) | |
| 20:28 | magnuse | yeah, i get results without the AND |
| 20:28 | yeah, too bad | |
| 20:28 | but next time is in 87 years or something... ;-) | |
| 20:28 | sorry guys | |
| 20:28 | cait++ | |
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| 20:28 | rangi | no worries, but yeah if you get results with the and, then the query is on the right track ;) |
| 20:28 | cait | have fun :) |
| 20:28 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 20:33 | wizzyrea | bother I ahve to add a new category for cait's listing ^.^ |
| 20:34 | I don't mind though | |
| 20:34 | cait | Germany? |
| 20:34 | :) | |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | :) yep |
| 20:35 | cait | :) |
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| 20:36 | sekjal | storm seems to be moving south |
| 20:36 | rangi | is that good? |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | not for the people to the south :P |
| 20:37 | sekjal | for me, yes. for Springfield, not so much |
| 20:37 | @wunder 01373 | |
| 20:37 | huginn` | sekjal: The current temperature in Montague Center Weatherbot, Montague, Massachusetts is 22.3�C (4:34 PM EDT on June 01, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.45 in 997.2 hPa (Rising). Tornado Watch 411 in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | cait: http://koha-community.org/supp[…]port/country/#ger |
| 20:38 | rangi | yay! |
| 20:41 | cait | yay :) thx liz! |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | *wink* you got it. :) |
| 20:43 | cait | hm, germany shows up empty for me |
| 20:43 | rhcl | strange I don't see cait listed anywhere, dumped the browser cache even.... |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | der, lol, sec |
| 20:43 | stupid connections starts them as unlisted | |
| 20:44 | there it shouuld be there now | |
| 20:45 | rhcl | yep, is good |
| 20:45 | cait | there is html in it |
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| 20:46 | cait | like visible html :) |
| 20:46 | p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px; font: 10.0px Helvetica} <p class="p1"> | |
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| 20:46 | rhcl | oh, yea, you're right, I see the html too |
| 20:47 | cait, do you normally capitalize Katrin as part of your email address? | |
| 20:48 | cait | no, that was probably auto correct in outlook |
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| 20:48 | cait | I hate it |
| 20:48 | rhcl | so I thought...maybe correct that too wizzyrea? |
| 20:48 | * wizzyrea | yawns |
| 20:48 | * cait | offers liz a cookie |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | that stuff was fixed like ages ago |
| 20:49 | ;) | |
| 20:49 | rhcl | yes, well, I still see "<p class="p1">T" |
| 20:49 | cait | me too |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | no you don't |
| 20:49 | cait | sorry liz |
| 20:49 | rhcl | hehe |
| 20:50 | cait | now it's ok |
| 20:50 | you are cheating :) | |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | you see the cached version :P |
| 20:50 | (I just deleted the cache) | |
| 20:50 | rhcl | OK, now it looks fine! |
| 20:51 | NCARMichael | hi peeps. today's question is... |
| 20:51 | How do I set a default value in a particular MARC field? (I'd like the 003 field to always have CoBA in it) | |
| 20:54 | bg | NCARMichael: there should be a field for entering in default info when you are editing the subfield in the marc-frameworks |
| 20:54 | NCARMichael | (investigating...) |
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| 20:56 | bg | Default value |
| 20:56 | defines what you want to appear in the field by default, this will be editable, but it saves time if you use the same note over and over or the same value in a field often. | |
| 20:56 | found here - http://koha-community.org/docu[…]marcbibframeworks | |
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| 20:59 | rangi | manual++ |
| 20:59 | cait | nengard++ |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 21:02 | NCARMichael | So, I'm adding a new subfield for 003? |
| 21:03 | cait | hm wait |
| 21:03 | NCARMichael | oh wait |
| 21:03 | cait | isn't there a syspref for that? |
| 21:03 | marcorgcode or something? | |
| 21:03 | @marc 003 | |
| 21:03 | huginn` | cait: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). [] |
| 21:03 | cait | yeah |
| 21:03 | NCARMichael | I see. I had to click on Advanced Constraints. |
| 21:04 | cait | NCARMichael: you should check the system preferences, I think there is one adding a default value to all your 003 fields |
| 21:04 | NCARMichael | Oh |
| 21:04 | cait | search for marcorgcode |
| 21:05 | sekjal | storm seems to have passed. |
| 21:05 | cait | yay :) |
| 21:05 | NCARMichael | ooh yeah! "MARCorgCode" |
| 21:05 | cait | :) |
| 21:05 | NCARMichael | (testing...) |
| 21:09 | sekjal | alright, time to get some rest. until later, #koha! |
| 21:09 | NCARMichael | it works! gracias. |
| 21:09 | ciao | |
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| 21:13 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 272 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:16 | rhcl | very interesting article on "Institutional Repository" for law libraries in Information Technology and Libraries (current version). Discusses ContentDM, DSpace, Greenstone, et al |
| 21:16 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5918 : Use the default messaging preferences if the user does not select any <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3fb084c112b55a6eb> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5683' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e1328ab24797894ed> / Fixing permissions, no need for this file to be executable <http://git.koha |
| 21:16 | rhcl | short blurb on indexing and retrieval |
| 21:19 | Space_Librarian | morning #koha |
| 21:21 | aogle left #koha | |
| 21:24 | rhcl | My very talented except for base 60 assistant is creating they Best Children's Computing System Ever based on Ubuntu and Mint. |
| 21:26 | danmc | rhcl: what is the target use and age range for that? |
| 21:27 | * danmc | has kids and is also a computer geek |
| 21:32 | Space_Librarian | rhcl: where can I find a copy of this article? |
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| 21:37 | rhcl | Well, it's in the June issue of Information Technology and Libraries, a publication of ALA/LITA. Let me check and see if it's online @ lita.org |
| 21:38 | The use was for digital items at a small Texas law school, "Texas Tech University School of Law" | |
| 21:38 | Space_Librarian | great, thanks. Just wondering if it's embargoed on this side of the world for another month. I'll check ALIA's listings... |
| 21:39 | rhcl | designed to "collect, preserve, share and promote the law school's digital materials" |
| 21:41 | quick synopsis: they looked at several systems, couldn't afford ContentDM, settled on DSpace, had trouble installing it due to lack of IT expertise (Vendors Listening?), | |
| 21:41 | eventually outsourced that part, and they are doing well now. | |
| 21:42 | danmc: were you asking about the article or about the children's computers? | |
| 21:42 | rangi | for a cooperative oclc sure screw the hell out of their members |
| 21:43 | rhcl | rangi: referring to contentdm? |
| 21:43 | rangi | yup, but in general too |
| 21:45 | rhcl | thing about contentdm that would concern me is getting your content buried/locked in their proprietary database. I'm sure there must be system level ways of getting to it, but it's never been clear that you can or what they are. |
| 21:45 | rangi | exactly |
| 21:46 | when you look at TCO, you should always count how much it costs to leave too | |
| 21:47 | rhcl | but it've seen demo's of it, it looks pretty and has good features. But some of those features also make it hard for others (the public) to download the content outside Contentdm, |
| 21:47 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:47 | rhcl | and for everything we want to do we want to encourage full, complete access to our holdings |
| 21:47 | rangi | yup, the best that can happen is people use your data |
| 21:47 | rhcl | yep |
| 21:48 | rangi | ohhh good quote from bradley kuhn |
| 21:49 | rhcl | getting back to our children's computer project, we want a free, OS solution. We've looked at Kiddex (Linux but licensed) and Qimo, and been neutral on those, although we currently have several of both in the library |
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| 21:49 | rangi | I'm more worried about sw freedom than "how far a project can go". Free Software is a multi-generational marathon, not a sprint |
| 21:50 | rhcl | So now we're rolling our own. I have a very bright CS college student working for me that can do anything when his alarm clock works |
| 21:51 | * Space_Librarian | shakes fist at kohacon's reviewer window's constant fatal error. Slef is going to get spammed at this rate. |
| 21:51 | rhcl | He's using a web server to serve the pages to clients and have all the local executables fire off from there....even wrote a py script to enable ssl... |
| 21:51 | looks like it might work. | |
| 21:51 | rangi | cool |
| 21:53 | rhcl | The world needs better FOSS children's games, however. A lot of what's available, including, for example, GCompris, are just not very polished and can be flakey. |
| 21:53 | rangi | yep |
| 21:54 | kahurangi plays childsplay, pingus, gcompris, puzzle bobble, and writes emails | |
| 21:55 | rhcl | I'll pass those on to aogle |
| 21:55 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #272: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/272/ |
| 21:55 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add unit tests to ensure bug 5683 doesn't reappear | |
| 21:55 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5683 follow-up: calls to ModBiblio can still fail | |
| 21:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED , link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records |
| 21:55 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Fixing permissions, no need for this file to be executable |
| 21:55 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5918 : Use the default messaging preferences if the user does not select any | |
| 21:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5918 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , When AddPatronLists is set to "general" and EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set, messaging prefs not copied from defaults |
| 22:05 | rhcl | Space_Librarian>: if ITAL makes the article available online it might appear here (in a month?) http://www.lita.org/ala/mgrps/[…]alinformation.cfm (under #2 June) |
| 22:06 | rangi | rhcl: http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]09/in/photostream |
| 22:06 | rhcl | looking... |
| 22:07 | amplifying graphics I see :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]9/in/photostream/ | |
| 22:08 | rangi | :) |
| 22:09 | rhcl | fuji? everest? mount kilimanjaro? http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]1/in/photostream/ |
| 22:09 | rangi | taranaki |
| 22:10 | seen that horrible movie the last samurai with tom cruise? | |
| 22:10 | wahanui | I haven't seen 'that', rangi |
| 22:10 | rangi | they filmed that in nz, use mt taranaki cos it looks like fuji |
| 22:10 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]21/in/photostream <-- what i was doing | |
| 22:10 | rhcl | ic |
| 22:11 | rangi | and that was the view from outside the building |
| 22:11 | rhcl | yea, saw that collection of nettops and surge protectors :) |
| 22:12 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]6/in/photostream/ surely not NZ? | |
| 22:12 | rangi | heh nope |
| 22:12 | thats atarau playing with the amish in PA | |
| 22:13 | he fit in cos he was wearing blue too ;) | |
| 22:15 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]3/in/photostream/ | |
| 22:15 | rhcl | like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]1/in/photostream/ |
| 22:16 | rangi | yeah that was when they were in Pittsburgh childrens hospital |
| 22:16 | got gastro enteritis | |
| 22:16 | (hence the drips) | |
| 22:16 | but still had the energy to annoy each other :) | |
| 22:18 | heh this is an old one | |
| 22:18 | 2003 | |
| 22:18 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]63/in/photostream | |
| 22:18 | look at that traffic spike, as ppl started looking at the webcams for the lotr world premiere | |
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| 22:19 | rangi | i did manage to sneak outside for a bit, and take photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]1/in/photostream/ |
| 22:20 | rhcl | palantir I see-that's what our ISP has installed for us to use. |
| 22:20 | rangi | while sijobl made sure we only saturated most of nz's bandwidth |
| 22:20 | ahh that was just the hostname | |
| 22:20 | that looks like cricket to me | |
| 22:21 | and rrd | |
| 22:22 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=3564 <-- thats the rest of my lotr photos | |
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| 22:39 | magnus_away is now known as magnus_eclipse | |
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| 22:44 | magnus_eclipse is now known as magnuse | |
| 22:46 | cait | took photos? |
| 22:47 | magnuse | yup |
| 22:47 | cait | :) |
| 22:47 | magnuse | there's one of me on facebook... ;-) |
| 22:47 | cait | rangi: any news from the security thing? |
| 22:47 | trying to get me on facebook? | |
| 22:47 | not fair! | |
| 22:47 | rangi | nope havent heard back |
| 22:48 | magnuse | cait: hehe |
| 22:48 | Space_Librarian | rhcl_away: thanks. I'll keep an eye out |
| 22:49 | cait | magnuse: holiday tomorrow? |
| 22:49 | magnuse | cait: yup! |
| 22:49 | cait | here too :) |
| 22:49 | magnuse | might get some work done though |
| 22:50 | at least we don't have to go to bed at a decent time ;-) | |
| 22:51 | cait | yeah, but I am getting tired |
| 22:51 | magnuse | pic from my mobile, not too good, will gete the ones from the real camera tomorrow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/e[…]79/in/photostream (you had to have spacial glasses to see the actual eclipse)) |
| 22:52 | we're debriefing with G&T's ;-) | |
| 22:53 | eythian | http://grooveshark.com/album/T[…]ine/5225045?src=5 <-- the album for today |
| 22:54 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 22:54 | eythian | hello |
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| 22:55 | magnuse | kia ora eythian |
| 22:56 | no holiday in nz? | |
| 22:56 | eythian | nah, we don't really do the ascension day thing here, alas. |
| 22:56 | we do have Monday off for Queen's birthday though, I realised yesterday. | |
| 22:58 | magnuse | well, that's something |
| 22:58 | conan | hi again all, quick question: how does koha know from where it must pull includes? I think I've found a bug today |
| 22:59 | eythian | includes, as in Perl libraries? |
| 22:59 | conan | no, as in templates |
| 23:00 | today we found that even when es-ES was used, the include pulled was coming from the en directory | |
| 23:00 | but there's no path definition in the templates | |
| 23:00 | so I guess that must be saved somewhere | |
| 23:00 | eythian | I think it uses the syspref to work it out. |
| 23:01 | But it's not something I know a large amount about really. | |
| 23:01 | magnuse | @later tell rhcl do you know http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ? read about it in Linux Journal recently... |
| 23:01 | huginn` | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:03 | rhcl_away | oh, I'm still here :( |
| 23:03 | rhcl_away is now known as rhcl | |
| 23:03 | cait | oh, I am falling asleep |
| 23:03 | good night all | |
| 23:04 | eythian | byebye! |
| 23:04 | conan | hum... there're only a couple of things under I18N/L10N preferences |
| 23:04 | cait: bye | |
| 23:04 | cait | conan: I think it's somethig from userenv perhaps? it should get the language path of the templates you are looking at, not in the sys pref |
| 23:04 | rhcl | magnuse: yes, we looked at sugarlabs, it seems to really be more for teaching children, rather than as a stand-alone children's computer |
| 23:04 | cait | s |
| 23:05 | conan | cait: found paths stuff under Staff Client preferences |
| 23:06 | cait | css files? |
| 23:06 | conan | but I think that's for local changes |
| 23:06 | yes, and includes | |
| 23:06 | cait | ah |
| 23:06 | those includes | |
| 23:06 | never used that | |
| 23:06 | conan | but... |
| 23:06 | ok | |
| 23:06 | cait | I always use opacusercss and opacuserjs, never used the includes thing |
| 23:06 | conan | the thing is, when I issue the translate blabla script |
| 23:06 | it creates directory es-ES and populates it | |
| 23:06 | cait | I think when you use the file paths you have to copy the file to all language folders to make it work correctly |
| 23:06 | rhcl | having said that, and looking at it again now, I see that maybe there is some new stuff, so tomorrow we'll take another look |
| 23:07 | magnuse | rhcl : ok, it just struck me when i was reading back |
| 23:07 | conan | there are replicated includes there, translated includes |
| 23:07 | so, why is koha using the includes from the 'en' directory instead? | |
| 23:07 | cait | path not constructed correctly? |
| 23:07 | but really have to sleep | |
| 23:07 | conan | cait: go, there's no hurry |
| 23:08 | I was asking now because I don't usually meet rangi in my working hours | |
| 23:08 | magnuse | sounds like it shouldn't, but there are some strange things going on with different languages and templates etc |
| 23:08 | cait | or I will have qwertz on somewhere on my face tomorrow morning :) |
| 23:08 | conan | cait: go to sleep :) |
| 23:08 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 23:08 | magnuse | et least you won't have qwerty... |
| 23:08 | cait | hehe will do :) |
| 23:08 | cait left #koha | |
| 23:09 | * conan | is going to read koha-tmpl/templates.readme |
| 23:09 | rangi | what version of koha conan |
| 23:09 | if its master or 3.4.x | |
| 23:10 | look at C4/Templates.pm | |
| 23:10 | magnuse | conan: where are you seeing the problematic includes? does it happen all the time, or just sometimes? |
| 23:10 | rangi | INCLUDE_PATH => "$htdocs/$theme/$lang/includes", |
| 23:10 | where | |
| 23:10 | my ( $theme, $lang ) = themelanguage( $htdocs, $tmplbase, $interface ); | |
| 23:10 | so look at the themelanguage sub in C4/Templates.pm | |
| 23:11 | for 3.2.x you're on your own ;-) | |
| 23:11 | C4/Output maybe | |
| 23:12 | * magnuse | seems to have a situation where the opac is displayed mostly in english if it has been a while since i visited, but in norwegian when i choose english then norwegian again - need more time to investigate... |
| 23:12 | Irma | Good morning team :-) |
| 23:12 | magnuse | kia ora Irma! |
| 23:12 | Space_Librarian | morning Irma |
| 23:13 | eythian | hiya Irma |
| 23:13 | Irma | :) all |
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| 23:16 | druthb | o/ |
| 23:16 | magnuse | \o |
| 23:16 | Space_Librarian | \o/ |
| 23:17 | druthb | Hi, Magnus and Shelley. :) |
| 23:18 | rangi | oh look its ruth |
| 23:18 | eythian | \m/ |
| 23:18 | Space_Librarian | Hi Ruth! |
| 23:18 | druthb | :D |
| 23:18 | * druthb | feels the love. |
| 23:19 | mtj | morning all |
| 23:22 | magnuse | kia ora mtj |
| 23:22 | rangi | http://blog.harisfazillah.info[…]brary-system.html <-- irma and eythian you are famous |
| 23:24 | magnuse | yay |
| 23:25 | Irma | It will be interesting. I hope we can make a difference... |
| 23:25 | magnuse | was it malaysia that might get Koha in 10.000 school libraries? |
| 23:25 | Irma: i'm sure you can! | |
| 23:25 | Space_Librarian | And Malaysia was looking at implementing Koha in all their public libraries... wasn't it? |
| 23:25 | Irma | thanks magnuse |
| 23:26 | magnuse | you can do it! |
| 23:26 | rangi | philipines |
| 23:26 | are doing all publics | |
| 23:26 | Irma | there are big plans on the drawing board in Malaysia |
| 23:26 | rangi | malaysia its just starting to make a dent |
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| 23:27 | Irma | MOSC 2011 ++ |
| 23:28 | magnuse | @karma MOSC 2011 |
| 23:28 | huginn` | magnuse: MOSC 2011 has neutral karma. |
| 23:29 | Irma | There is strong vision and dedication to training and using OS well which is very exciting. |
| 23:29 | magnuse | yay |
| 23:30 | Irma | rangi I looked at Access 2011 and wish I could be there. Many great presentations! |
| 23:30 | rangi | yep it should be a great conference |
| 23:31 | Irma | and that bringing together of the collection sector's various arms which is one of my interests |
| 23:31 | thanks for the quick hello ... must be on my way :-) | |
| 23:31 | Good day/evening all. | |
| 23:32 | Space_Librarian | bye Irma |
| 23:32 | Irma left #koha | |
| 23:36 | eythian | yay famous! |
| 23:36 | conan | sorry, nature call |
| 23:36 | eythian | except my blurb changes person half way through. |
| 23:36 | conan | rangi: thanks. I'll look there. And yes, it's 3.4.x |
| 23:37 | eythian | oh, they took it from linkedin, not the one that I sent them |
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| 23:38 | conan | magnuse: I haven't seen the thing in deep yet. I came out today during a meeeting with my boss, he tried to change some stuff, so I directed him to the templates and our eyes opened wide when we saw the change didn't show up |
| 23:38 | and even more wide when we tried the modification on the en include, and it showed up in the translated version | |
| 23:39 | magnuse | ouch |
| 23:39 | which include? | |
| 23:39 | do you remember? | |
| 23:40 | rangi | the path is set in C4/Templates.pm |
| 23:40 | so it will be very easy to track down, if its doing anything wrong it will be in themelanguage | |
| 23:40 | which is a short sub | |
| 23:42 | conan | magnuse: erm... let me look |
| 23:43 | magnuse: was in the checkout page | |
| 23:43 | magnuse | i was poking at themelanguage() the other day, but didn't get far enough to figure out if it was to blame for the things i have been seeing |
| 23:43 | conan | the footer one |
| 23:43 | but then we noticed it wasn't the only one, so I'm guessing all | |
| 23:45 | magnuse | koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/checkouts-table-footer.inc ? |
| 23:48 | conan | magnuse: found it: checkouts-table-footer.inc |
| 23:49 | that's the one is not bringing from the es-ES subtree | |
| 23:49 | magnuse: oh | |
| 23:49 | I'm an idiot | |
| 23:49 | magnuse | probably not ;-) |
| 23:49 | conan | should look before writing |
| 23:49 | rangi | if it doesnt exist, it will fall back to en |
| 23:49 | conan | rangi: nope, it exists |
| 23:49 | rangi | so my guess is the path is set wrong |
| 23:49 | conan | rangi: we notice the thing when we modified the es-ES version and it didn't show up |
| 23:49 | rangi | so that it thinks it doesnt exist |
| 23:49 | yep, i understand the problem | |
| 23:50 | im telling ay, its themelanguage | |
| 23:50 | conan | but, yes, there must be some path situation going a=round |
| 23:50 | rangi | thats the only place that sets the $theme and $lang variables |
| 23:50 | magnuse | not sure i like the ring of "searches through the themes and languages. First template it find it returns! |
| 23:51 | s/!/"/ | |
| 23:51 | conan | I'm seeing themelanguage obeys cookies |
| 23:51 | rangi | thats from the list of languages |
| 23:52 | conan | but if it where a cookie issue, then there would not be mixing, all english or all spanish |
| 23:52 | rangi | first thing id do is litter the new |
| 23:53 | and themelanguage subs with warns | |
| 23:53 | ull track down whats happening pretty fast i bet | |
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| 23:55 | magnuse | n00b question: where do the warns show up? in the apache error log? |
| 23:55 | eythian | usually, yeah |
| 23:55 | druthb | hi, pianohacker! |
| 23:56 | magnuse | thanks eythian |
| 23:56 | pianohacker | hey guys |
| 23:59 | magnuse | hiya pianohacker |
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