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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | pianohacker | From what I can tell looking at the source, it did exactly what it was supposed to |
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| 00:00 | pianohacker | does everything look alright in your catalog? |
| 00:01 | adnc | i did some random check, that looks great |
| 00:01 | pianohacker, thank you very much! | |
| 00:01 | pianohacker | No problem. Let us know if we can help you with anything else |
| 00:02 | adnc | pianohacker, do you know if amazon is the only source for book covers? |
| 00:02 | is it possible to upload covers? | |
| 00:02 | pianohacker | There's actually a few you can use in Koha at the moment, though unfortunately you can not upload your own, as far as I know |
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| 00:05 | pianohacker | adnc: More specifically, Google is another free option, and you can use Syndetics and Baker & Taylor, though you probably have to pay for them |
| 00:05 | adnc | pianohacker, is it possible to force koha to send notification email out to see if that works with the mailserver? |
| 00:06 | pianohacker | The only reliable way I know of to test notifications is to trigger them yourself. That's not too hard, though; you can change the due date of a checkout in the issues table, then run the overdue items notification script, for example |
| 00:07 | adnc | 02:10:02-12/05 zebraidx(17930) [warn] isamb: Inconsistent register (2) |
| 00:07 | zebraidx: isamb.c:1102: insert_leaf: Assertion `*lookahead_mode' failed. | |
| 00:07 | 02:10:02-12/05 zebraidx(17932) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit | |
| 00:07 | thats new | |
| 00:09 | pianohacker | That is... bizarre |
| 00:09 | Only suggestion I have for that bit of zebra weirdness is to reindex your catalog | |
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| 00:09 | adnc | i did execute that command manually |
| 00:10 | koha-rebuild-zebra $(koha-list --enabled) | |
| 00:10 | the warning does not come again | |
| 00:10 | pianohacker, how does reindexing work? | |
| 00:10 | pianohacker | How do you mean? |
| 00:11 | adnc | you said: Only suggestion I have for that bit of zebra weirdness is to reindex yo |
| 00:11 | r catalog | |
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| 00:20 | pianohacker | Well, rebuild-zebra will update zebra's catalog |
| 00:21 | You can also do a full reindex, which will delete the search index (not losing any of your data), then rebuild it from scratch | |
| 00:21 | Often a solution to zebra problems | |
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| 00:22 | pianohacker | adnc: You do it using koha-rebuild-zebra -f $(koha-list --enabled) |
| 00:24 | adnc | thnks |
| 00:24 | pianohacker | np |
| 00:25 | druthb | pianohacker++ |
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| 00:28 | pianohacker | all right, dinner time, bbl |
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| 01:08 | rangi | afternoon |
| 01:09 | druthb | hi, rangi! |
| 01:10 | rangi | heya druthb |
| 01:11 | bg | heya rangi and druthb |
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| 01:13 | rangi | bg ;) |
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| 01:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6330 - Change hold language from 'until' to 'since' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f68ba9ad531cc86e7> |
| 01:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 246 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 02:19 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 02:20 | rangi | hey bg |
| 02:20 | doh tab completion fail | |
| 02:20 | hi Brooke | |
| 02:20 | Brooke | dyac! |
| 02:20 | Hi :D | |
| 02:21 | one of mah fencing buddies mentioned haka and he didn't say THE haka. | |
| 02:21 | rangi | ohh edumucated |
| 02:21 | Brooke | inorite |
| 02:21 | I thought, aww, if only the cockles of Chris' heart were here to be warmed | |
| 02:22 | bg | hey |
| 02:22 | Brooke | howdy bg |
| 02:22 | * Brooke | cannot help but think of Love Shack. |
| 02:23 | Brooke | though that's the b52s |
| 02:23 | methinks it covers the trauma of stayin' alive. | |
| 02:24 | rangi | :) |
| 02:25 | bg | :) |
| 02:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #246: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/246/ |
| 02:26 | Nicole C. Engard: Bug 6330 - Change hold language from 'until' to 'since' | |
| 02:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6330 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , holds saying on hold 'until' instead of 'since' |
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| 02:51 | * Brooke | waves to Bob |
| 02:52 | Space_Librarian | thanks Brooke. I now have love shack stuck in my head... |
| 02:53 | Brooke | Glove slap, I don't take crap! |
| 02:53 | * Brooke | dances. |
| 02:53 | Space_Librarian | :) |
| 02:54 | ibeardslee | maybe the wrong time to poke my head back into this channel |
| 02:58 | rangi | heh |
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| 03:13 | Brooke | \/\/00+ drunk pally tank. Good times, good times. |
| 03:14 | wizzyrea | I hope you've got your hipwaders on, it's gonna get thick in there |
| 03:14 | Brooke | yeah I better stop alt tabbing when the raid gets goin' in earnets |
| 03:14 | though this is my shammy healer | |
| 03:14 | so it's like healing rain zzzzzzz | |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 03:15 | i haven't played wow in a while now | |
| 03:15 | Brooke | join mah guild if ye do :P |
| 03:16 | wizzyrea | that was part of the problem, nobody to do stuff with :) |
| 03:16 | it'd be a server transfer/faction... well except I have a worgen druid now I guess :) | |
| 03:17 | last thing I did before I stopped playing | |
| 03:17 | get a worgen druid | |
| 03:17 | Brooke | yeah me aussie server is a worgen druid |
| 03:17 | but their guild is wee. | |
| 03:17 | whole lotta fun though | |
| 03:17 | they have a lecture comin up on the 19th ish | |
| 03:18 | think it's school Library gaming | |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 03:19 | Brooke | http://gamesandlibraries.wetpaint.com/page/Events |
| 03:20 | off I go! | |
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| 03:54 | Oak | \o |
| 03:54 | rangi | hi Oak |
| 03:55 | Oak | hello Mr. rangi. how do you do. |
| 03:55 | rangi | tired, and how about you? |
| 03:55 | Oak | just woke up |
| 03:55 | :) | |
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| 05:28 | Space_Librarian | toodle pip all. Have a good day. |
| 05:29 | * chris_n | rubs his eyes and looks around the room |
| 05:34 | scl | chris_n, hi |
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| 05:53 | scl | f3ew, pm? |
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| 06:32 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
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| 06:35 | Susan | good day everyone |
| 06:35 | rangi | bonjour alex_a, ca va? |
| 06:35 | Susan | Hope someone is awake and knows SIP 2 + 3M SelfCheck System |
| 06:36 | I have already configured SIP 2 Server on port 8041 + configured the 3M SelfCheck system to have all the valid information | |
| 06:37 | however, I keep on getting [Circulation System Operation Failure - uinspecified error] | |
| 06:37 | and the weird thing is I have already attempted to TELNET from the 3M SelfCheck - Windows command line and that works perfectly fine | |
| 06:37 | in communicating with my SIP server. | |
| 06:38 | I have even modified my 3M configurations to match http://lclpioneer.wordpress.co[…]o-work-with-koha/ | |
| 06:38 | but no use :) any help, would be highly appreciated :) | |
| 06:38 | alex_a | rangi: ca va trés bien ! |
| 06:38 | thanks | |
| 06:39 | rangi | Susan: unfortunately the people who know about it are all asleep |
| 06:39 | wizzyrea has 3M machines working with Koha | |
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| 06:41 | Susan | I see... |
| 06:46 | rangi | bout 5 or 6 hour until they all start waking up |
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| 06:46 | Susan | by then, I will be at home :) but thats ok, I hope I can go on and ask them |
| 06:47 | rangi | hopefully they will see your email |
| 06:48 | clrh | hi |
| 06:49 | rangi | hi clrh |
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| 06:51 | Susan | I hope so :) |
| 06:51 | thanks rangi | |
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| 06:55 | Oak | wiiiiild wiiiiild horses |
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| 06:59 | scl | rangi, hi |
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| 07:08 | paul_p | hello #koha |
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| 07:25 | hdl | hi |
| 07:25 | wahanui | privet, hdl |
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| 07:26 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 08:07 | snail | Susan: we have 3M self check machines working with a different catalog and all the issues we have seem to relate to networking. try with IP address rather than machine name (our 3m machines seem to die horridly if dns goes away) |
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| 08:26 | druthb | o/ |
| 08:27 | * Oak | hugs druthb |
| 08:27 | druthb | :) thanx! What'd I do to earn that? |
| 08:37 | Oak | :) |
| 08:38 | druthb | (not that I'm complaining. Nice to wake up to hugs.) |
| 08:39 | Oak | hehe |
| 08:41 | * druthb | is wondering...Oak, are you planning to go to KohaCon this fall? |
| 08:42 | Oak | in India... nope. |
| 08:42 | druthb | Rats. |
| 08:43 | Oak | nah |
| 08:43 | no money | |
| 08:43 | * druthb | nods. |
| 08:43 | druthb | If my employer wasn't sending me, I wouldn't be going, it's likely. But when bg asked me if I wanted to go...well, yeah, boss, I do.... :P |
| 08:44 | * druthb | is looking forward to meeting folks from that side of the Earth. |
| 08:45 | Oak | hmm, I don't work in a library (yet)... doing my MLIS. but someday I hope I'll be able to attend. And meet the nice people from this channel. |
| 08:46 | druthb | :) I hope to meet you some day, too. |
| 08:46 | Oak | cool :) |
| 08:47 | * druthb | has thought about going back to school for an MLS/MLIS, but at this point, it doesn't make much sense to do so. |
| 08:49 | * Oak | read Careers for Bookworms and decided to do MLIS :) http://goo.gl/Mj2rl |
| 08:50 | druthb | :) |
| 08:51 | Oak | although I work as a web developer, working in Joomla, CSS ... little PHP |
| 08:51 | and want to learn Perl so I can help someday with Koha... but don't find time | |
| 08:52 | druthb | If you speak PHP, Perl won't be too hard to pick up. |
| 08:52 | adnc | which barcode format can koha handle? |
| 08:53 | druthb | adnc: Whatever your scanner will handle. The way things are set up, to Koha--and to your PC--it looks like another keyboard, is all. The magic-of-the-barcode part is all handled by your scaner. |
| 08:53 | Code39 is commonest, at least in my part of the world, but there's nothing holy about that. | |
| 08:53 | adnc | yes, but i think i saw some code39 stuff |
| 08:53 | right | |
| 08:54 | druthb | :) |
| 08:54 | adnc | druthb, thanks |
| 08:55 | druthb | you bet. :) |
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| 09:11 | NurAhammad | Hi everybody |
| 09:14 | druthb | Hello, NurAhammad. |
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| 09:32 | druthb | @quote random |
| 09:32 | huginn | druthb: Quote #92: "<schuster> Why even learn when there is a genius in the room..." (added by jwagner at 01:43 PM, August 27, 2010) |
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| 10:56 | * druthb | hugs kf |
| 10:57 | kf | hi :) |
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| 11:45 | conan | good morning all |
| 11:48 | jwagner | good morning, conan |
| 11:56 | nengard | i'm looking for a bug that i know is out there. checking in using the checkboxes doesn't trigger a hold ... bug number?? |
| 11:57 | ooo bug 3514 | |
| 11:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3514 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions |
| 11:57 | nengard | found it :) |
| 11:57 | kf | hehe |
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| 11:58 | Ropuch | Hello #koha! |
| 11:59 | kf | hi Ropuch - long time no see! |
| 11:59 | how are you? | |
| 11:59 | Ropuch | Yup [; |
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| 12:01 | Ropuch | Have some more free time now, so I'm back to tampering with koha |
| 12:01 | Setting up git atm ;) | |
| 12:01 | kf | cool! |
| 12:01 | happy to hear that :) | |
| 12:02 | testing out the new 3.4? | |
| 12:04 | matts_away is now known as matts | |
| 12:04 | Ropuch | I'd like to, looking for repo adres ;> |
| 12:05 | kf | http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ |
| 12:05 | look at the example line | |
| 12:05 | git? | |
| 12:05 | wahanui | hmmm... git is found at http://git.koha-community.org |
| 12:07 | Ropuch | Working from fresh linux machine - I'll get my prefs, bookmarks and files in few minutes ;> |
| 12:10 | v3.04.00 is tag for the new koha? | |
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| 12:13 | gmcharlt | correct |
| 12:15 | kf | hi gmcharlt :) |
| 12:15 | gmcharlt | hi kf |
| 12:17 | Ropuch | Hi gmcharlt [; |
| 12:17 | gmcharlt | howdy Ropuch |
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| 12:23 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 12:25 | oleonard | Hi |
| 12:25 | wahanui | bonjour, oleonard |
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| 12:50 | oleonard | I noticed that too, thanks for bug 6332 nengard |
| 12:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6332 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , missing 'clear date' link |
| 12:51 | nengard | :) |
| 12:51 | thanks in advance for fixing it :) hehe | |
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| 12:55 | Ropuch | Hi oleonard, nengard |
| 12:55 | nengard | howdy |
| 12:56 | tajoli | hi to all |
| 12:57 | about QA and sign-off | |
| 12:58 | What do you think about create A-developers and B-developers ? | |
| 12:58 | A-developers = you can auto-sign_off | |
| 12:58 | nengard | Why? Why have different rules? No one is special - like I said. Also you should reply on list so that the thread isn't broken |
| 12:59 | tajoli | B-developer: a person of an other firm need to sign_off your patch |
| 12:59 | oleonard | I agree with nengard. No one's work is free from errors. |
| 12:59 | druthb | Find me an A-developer that never, ever makes an error, tajoli. That's what it'd take for your plan to *not* harm Koha. |
| 13:00 | nengard | We're all human, we all make mistakes, we all mis semi-colons - no one should have the ability to bypass the quality assurance steps in place |
| 13:00 | druthb | Might not hurt anything this week, or next. But some night when some guru has gotten real tired---they could break things *horribly.* |
| 13:02 | tajoli | Ok, i write to mailing list |
| 13:06 | druthb | The other problem, tajoli, with such a scheme is "who decides?" We don't really have a Pope, or some other central authority--so who decides who is an A and who is B? And how do you prevent someone from being greatly pissed when they get turned down for "A" status? Down that way leads heartaches and much, much drama that this community does not need, IMO. |
| 13:07 | hdl | druthb: this 'community' is not just about developers. |
| 13:07 | It is about libraries. | |
| 13:07 | druthb | I personally would *decline* "A" status. I know too well that I am not perfect, and I *want* a second set of eyeballs on my work. |
| 13:07 | hdl | And some libraris which have had some code in production for years. |
| 13:07 | druthb | sure it is, hdl; but are libraries served well by letting my late-night bad ideas into the code? |
| 13:07 | tajoli | The Relese manager si the prson that give A/B status |
| 13:07 | hdl | Which could not make its way to trunk |
| 13:08 | tajoli | Also I. |
| 13:08 | I don't see myself as A developer | |
| 13:08 | In fact A-developer are in fact vice QA | |
| 13:09 | I see this organization on BSD | |
| 13:09 | develper with commit bit, developers without commit bit | |
| 13:12 | hdl | druthb: it is not only late night ideas. It is code delivered.... And libraries who wanted the code to be contributed... And late changes in the workflow. |
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| 13:13 | hdl | I donot want to argue. I want to put the libraries concerns in the center of the place. |
| 13:15 | druthb | My concern for the libraries is also strong, hdl--specifically, I do not ever, ever want to risk giving them severely busted code and having Koha looking bad for it. To me, that means paying gobs more attention to the backend than we were doing prior to 3.4. I don't see this change as "late". I see it as *essential* to the long-term health of Koha. |
| 13:16 | * sekjal | goes to read the IRC logs... |
| 13:17 | druthb | Even the *slightest* risk of that is, to me, unacceptable, having worked in a library whose vendor routinely put out seriously-broken releases. |
| 13:17 | paul_p | well, to jump in the discussion: BibLibre patches/features are not written by a developper, but by a company, validated by someone internally and by the customer itself. It's not "paul" that is A-dev, it's "BibLibre workflow" |
| 13:18 | hdl | ok. about all the bugs in holds and circulation and research, i think that they will exist untill someone devote time and hard work on that. |
| 13:19 | We devoted time, and hard work on that. And proposed that as a contribution, if no one wants that... Then ok. | |
| 13:19 | druthb | Sure, paul, and ByWater signs off internally, as well. But it still comes down to a person at a keyboard. ByWater, Inc doesn't write patches. sekjal, nengard, druthb, bg, etc...do. An internal process can help catch those flubs--but it's *never* perfect. |
| 13:19 | hdl | We donot use internal sign off. |
| 13:19 | We use branches. | |
| 13:19 | And merges. | |
| 13:20 | And this is why we are not 'signing off' our own patches. | |
| 13:20 | sekjal | hdl: but multiple eyes in within BibLibre are confirming that the code works as intended? |
| 13:20 | hdl | And I would think quite wrong to autosign off... |
| 13:20 | Yep. | |
| 13:20 | druthb | hdl: so, you're telling me that before the code is released, it doesn't have a second set of eyes on it, to test it? |
| 13:20 | hdl | devloper, project manager, library |
| 13:20 | * druthb | is perhaps confused. |
| 13:21 | hdl | that makes at least 3 persons. |
| 13:21 | sekjal | okay, so if someone is confirming that it works, then that's essentially a signoff. it just needs the -s flag on format-patch (at technicality) |
| 13:21 | hdl | .... ask librarians to use the command line client to use git.... |
| 13:22 | paul_p | sekjal++ (except our project manager or customers will never use git) |
| 13:22 | oleonard | But the question is are they seeing the effect of one patch, or a lot of patches working together? |
| 13:22 | hdl | It is easier to have bugzilla or our mantis solved. |
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| 13:22 | hdl | some patches working together.. |
| 13:22 | paul_p | (sorry, keyboard mistake) |
| 13:23 | hdl | many times, you need more than a single patch to get exactly what is required. |
| 13:23 | sekjal | hdl: could you have a git user act as a proxy for the project manager? project manager says "yup, that's good, sign off for me" and someone types the right thing on the keyboard? |
| 13:23 | paul_p | oleonard, it depends. If you speak of solR, for example, they test a full branch. |
| 13:24 | when speaking of a feature, usually, they test master+FT1+FT2+FT3 merged in a branch called customer | |
| 13:24 | hdl | sekjal: we are using merge workflow. and rebasing is breaking the commit ids. |
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| 13:25 | oleonard | paul_p: So the question is can FT1 be tested properly just on its own? Is it feature-specific enough that it *can* be tested properly? |
| 13:25 | hdl | I donot claim we have the better workflow. But it works. And we could have that for the comunity as well... With instances ppl could just go and test on jenkins.koha-community.org. |
| 13:25 | paul_p | oleonard, I think we can say yes. |
| 13:25 | koha-sandbox++ !!! | |
| 13:26 | oleonard | It sounds to me like koha-sandbox is just going to mix together a bunch of stuff in such a way that no one knows what is being tested. |
| 13:27 | hdl | not if you create one vhost by bug... and with one branch. |
| 13:27 | sekjal | each bug/feature needs to be on it's own branch, and testable independently. if it takes multiple commits to write it, fine, we can squash, but mixing two features into a single testing branch is not scientific enough for my tastes |
| 13:27 | paul_p | hdl, that may be hard to have 1 sandbox for each patch/branch ! |
| 13:28 | hdl | could be done with a mutt client i think |
| 13:28 | tajoli | In fact i' will organize a koha-sandbox with my two skilled users |
| 13:28 | oleonard | paul_p: That's the only way anyone can properly test a patch! One bug/feature per branch, as sekjal says |
| 13:28 | paul_p | my proposal is not to have one branch per feature, it's to have some developers that can say: "OK, I say it works, I merge, everyone test and confirm. If any problem, then i'll fix quickly" |
| 13:29 | hdl | oleonard: you would also have to test the merge. |
| 13:29 | paul_p | (it's roughtly zeno & bob proposal) |
| 13:29 | nengard | @later tell wizzyrea did you try that skype replacement we downloaded? I'm no sure how to set it up, so if you did tips would be welcome |
| 13:29 | huginn | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:29 | tajoli | In fact, yes it is |
| 13:29 | oleonard | hdl: Of course, that's part of the process. But if you're doing it one patch at a time you can tackle each one carefully. |
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| 13:30 | oleonard | If I have one patch to test, I'm testing the merge as soon as I apply it. |
| 13:30 | paul_p | oleonard, for new features, you can't have one patch. Or it's a *big* one that affect 20 files |
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| 13:30 | oleonard | Yes, you can have one patch. Squash em. As long as it is *feature-specific* and testable. |
| 13:31 | paul_p | oleonard, look just at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328 and the patch. Just for a "small" fix |
| 13:31 | huginn | 04Bug 6328: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work |
| 13:31 | paul_p | (for a feature that is supposed to have passed QA and made his way into 3.4 !) |
| 13:32 | I'm ready to bet that it won't make his way easily into Koha, as most of you don't care, and if someone cares, i'm sure i'l have to rebase because it touches so many files... | |
| 13:33 | ( s/i'm ready/i'm willing/ probably ) | |
| 13:33 | most of you don't care = it's a features 90% of french libraries want, and 0% of US ones afaik | |
| 13:33 | oleonard | Of course you'll have to rebase! We all have to rebase, all the time! |
| 13:34 | sekjal | paul_p: looks like that bug report is pretty good; has a way to reproduce the issue, so that's a starting place for testing |
| 13:34 | so getting a signoff shouldn't be too hard: it's easy enough to tell if the problem goes away after application | |
| 13:34 | paul_p | oleonard, and are you happy with http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 ? |
| 13:34 | huginn | 04Bug 3652: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , XSS vulnerabilities |
| 13:35 | paul_p | phone ring |
| 13:35 | sekjal | the trickier part, of course, will be checking the integration with other parts of the code, but I will do that as part of QA (others are welcome to do so, too, but I'm obligated) |
| 13:36 | oleonard | paul_p: No, of course not. But that's an example of the kind of fix we have to try to avoid. |
| 13:36 | paul_p | (on phone) |
| 13:36 | oleonard | This was a special case, where the complete fix touched a *lot* of files. I don't know if it could have been handled better, but I understand why it got left behind. |
| 13:37 | paul_p | oleonard, you get it ! many of the new features touches a * lot* of files. And it can't be handled better. |
| 13:38 | (and I understand why it got left behind with the current workflow, that why I say it's defective !) | |
| 13:38 | oleonard | There's a difference between a feature which touches a lot of files and a huge template revision like 3652 that *can't* be tested except all at once. |
| 13:39 | sekjal | and I think we're getting down to a core part of the issues: big features require big testing, and it's not always easy to get that from outside the immediate development team |
| 13:39 | oleonard | But there are a lot of ways to make it easier. |
| 13:40 | paul_p | oleonard, if a feature stays untested by anyone for a few weeks, I promize there's no difference : the patch won't apply anymore will have to be rebased, with side effect, maybe features merged before this new feature that couldn't make his path,... |
| 13:40 | that's exactly what we faced with circ improvements ! | |
| 13:40 | oleonard | Like I said paul_p, there are ways to make it easier. |
| 13:40 | Patches have to be made more focused. | |
| 13:41 | People need to be able to test specific features or fixes. | |
| 13:42 | druthb | oleonard++ #Ask me to test "fix the <blah> so it <foo>s instead of <bar>" and you'll get somewhere quicker than "circ improvements." |
| 13:43 | oleonard | If I'm looking at the list of bugs needing signoff, I'm looking for something I understand and feel I know how to test |
| 13:43 | If the problem isn't clearly stated in the bug report I'll skip it | |
| 13:44 | paul_p | (on phone again) |
| 13:44 | sekjal | clear bug reports, describing exactly what the problem is, or what the feature should do, are essential. the clearer, the easier it will be for folks (any folks) to test |
| 13:44 | tajoli | Ok, I need to leave |
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| 13:46 | oleonard | I *like* testing and signing off on patches, so I'm happy to see stuff I can test |
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| 13:48 | sekjal | okay, so back to the idea of test instances per feature |
| 13:48 | how could we build a librarian-friendly system for testing and signoff? | |
| 13:48 | something all GUI-based | |
| 13:49 | you check out the feature you want to test, then comment on the results, and either signoff, or report a problem | |
| 13:49 | have that action be something we can translate down to Git automagically | |
| 13:50 | I imagine the checkout process could be awfully slow, especially if it's a large feature, but surely there is a way to make it managable | |
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| 13:52 | sekjal | further refinement to the idea: make this whole thing a VM image that can be downloaded, so we don't have to have a centralized test server |
| 13:53 | anyone in the world could set one up, with a limited number of concurrent users based on the number of resources they have available to donate | |
| 13:53 | druthb | sekjal++ #so clever |
| 13:55 | oleonard | Having a downloadable VM image would be tricky as the images diverge from master |
| 13:55 | sekjal | the VM would need a synchronization mechanism |
| 13:56 | so when you fire it up, it pulls the code from git.k-c.org, and highlights all the branches that need testing | |
| 13:57 | we'd need to make sure that each branch needing testing was available, and that once testing was complete, it was merged, but that's doable | |
| 13:58 | hdl | sekjal: it also could be done with a kind of my koha on the jenkins host. |
| 14:01 | sekjal | So, we'd need an admin page where the user can a) sync to git, b) review bugs that need testing (pulling in the conversation from Bugzilla), c) select a bug, d) comment (and have those return to Bugzilla) and e) either signoff or note that it didn't pass testing |
| 14:01 | would probably also need a registration layer, so the user's name and email could get into both Bugzilla (for commenting) and git (for signoffs) | |
| 14:02 | idea: provide f) a mechanism for reporting new bugs? | |
| 14:03 | f) would require them to be on a recently synced version of the master branch, but could include provisions to include links and screenshots | |
| 14:03 | paul_p | sekjal: saying "git pull" already has make 99% of the libraries leaving. We need a mechanism where a librarian can say "hey, i've tested this cool feature on sanbox.koha-community.org, added last week, it's cool and working well !" |
| 14:03 | sekjal | paul_p: agreed. this proposed VM tool would be entirely GUI based, and do all the git stuff invisibly on the backend |
| 14:04 | druthb | Automate a), and go straight to b) on login, sekjal? |
| 14:04 | sekjal | druthb: the initial set up should sync automatically, but I think having some kind of "confirm" for syncing thereafter may be good |
| 14:05 | perhaps with an option to save the confirm and autosync | |
| 14:05 | hdl | sekjal: I think it could be done statically and not on demand... which would be quite demanding in terms od devs. |
| 14:06 | If we had branches on a repository, a cronscript could go through the "proposed" branches and do all the clones and checkouts to branches and install the vhosts. | |
| 14:06 | But I might be missing something in the reason why you want it dynamic | |
| 14:07 | sekjal | hdl: that makes sense, especially in a multi-user server environment |
| 14:07 | you set up X Vhosts, and populate them with X branches to test | |
| 14:07 | the user can pick from those pre-populated options | |
| 14:07 | but not checkout new ones | |
| 14:07 | for a local VM where the user is the only person connecting to the machine, we could allow for a more dynamic approach | |
| 14:08 | hdl | but more demanding. |
| 14:08 | sekjal | hdl: true; the local user would need to expend the time to set the machine up |
| 14:09 | if someone set up a server of this, they'd do the initial set up, and the tester would just be able to connect and test | |
| 14:09 | I say we design the tool to work both ways | |
| 14:09 | so users who aren't comfortable with VMs, or don't have time to set up the testing environment themselves, can connect to a server that provides all this | |
| 14:10 | I'm pretty sure I could convince ByWater to put up a server of this with a few slots for testing various branches | |
| 14:10 | BibLibre is already doing something like this, so perhaps once this tool is complete, it would provide an easier method of maintaining the service you already provide | |
| 14:13 | oooh, and we could give this to library schools, both as a quick, easy demo of the system, as well as a way to distribute testing | |
| 14:13 | professors could offer extra credit for testing a new feature | |
| 14:14 | and if we wrote the whole thing generically enough, perhaps it could be applied to other git-based open source projects, as well | |
| 14:14 | druthb | open_source_tools_for_testing_open_source_software++ |
| 14:15 | sekjal | gtg; must relocate. back in 30 min or so |
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| 14:21 | oleonard | Anyone else feel like there should be a delete button on addbiblio.pl? |
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| 14:29 | oleonard | If I'm looking at the "Notices" tab of a patron in the staff client, why might I see "failed" in the status column? |
| 14:36 | * oleonard | thinks everyone must be busy building the git-vm supercomputer |
| 14:38 | jwagner | oleonard, I think "failed" means the patron didn't have an email address so Koha couldn't send the notice. |
| 14:38 | oleonard | That doesn't appear to be the case with this particular patron |
| 14:41 | hdl | oleonard: I thought of a kind of mykoha not on vms but on a machine. But with different versions. |
| 14:44 | jwagner | Or maybe that Koha couldn't talk to the mailserver at that point? |
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| 14:59 | Ropuch | I'm looking through 3.4 pl-PL*.po files and I can see lot's of non english terms in source fields |
| 14:59 | Like Billedbøker for barn i alderen til og med 5 år; | |
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| 15:01 | kf | Ropuch: That is norwegian |
| 15:01 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6291] Cart printing truncated in Firefox <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6291> |
| 15:01 | Ropuch | Suppose it's some norwegian dialect, but afair .po files were generated from english |
| 15:01 | kf | Rocpuch: If you don't plan to use NORMARC you can just copy it over |
| 15:01 | Ropuch | Oh |
| 15:01 | kf | it's from the NORMARC xslt files |
| 15:01 | those have no english translation at the moment | |
| 15:01 | Ropuch | That's a relief |
| 15:02 | I don't mind learning norwegian, but not at the moment ;> | |
| 15:02 | sekjal | oleonard: jwagner's right, the 'failed' status comes when the intended email address couldn't be used (either there was no value for that field, or the email was somehow invalid) |
| 15:03 | oleonard | sekjal: Do you know by what mechanism it comes to that conclusion? |
| 15:03 | sekjal | oleonard: I do not... would have to look it up |
| 15:04 | hdl | sekjal: oleonard testing sendmail result iirc. |
| 15:08 | sekjal | oleonard: I believe the test is just on the existence of $to_address. so anything not null, 0 or empty string should work. |
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| 15:30 | wizzyrea | hello friends |
| 15:31 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
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| 15:37 | oleonard | Steve J...obs? |
| 15:38 | paul_p | lol |
| 15:38 | hi wizzyrea | |
| 15:38 | SteveJ | obs? |
| 15:39 | oleonard | SteveJ + obs = SteveJobs |
| 15:39 | SteveJ | I wish. |
| 15:39 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 15:39 | Hi wizzyrea | |
| 15:42 | kf | nengard++ |
| 15:43 | nengard | for what? what did I do this time? :) |
| 15:43 | kf | for asking about the pattern and for fighting for us librarians :) |
| 15:44 | paul_p | nengard & kf: maybe a misunderstanding with "can". When I said "can't" I was not meaning they won't be able (well, most of them won't be able), I was meaning they won't care, so I can't ask them. |
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| 15:56 | smeagol | hi everyone |
| 15:59 | oleonard | Hi smeagol |
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| 16:04 | oleonard | Mmmm.... lunch. |
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| 16:06 | smeagol | mmm nice fish... |
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| 17:41 | fredericd | I'm taking a look at bug 6328 |
| 17:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work |
| 17:42 | fredericd | Does it mean something in English: Lift Debarment |
| 17:44 | sekjal | my only understanding of the words are how they relate to Koha; in this case, to remove the 'debar' flag from a patron so they can checkout again |
| 17:45 | fredericd | Thanks. So there isn't any better English wording? |
| 17:48 | sekjal | I think that would be the right way to say it in Koha-English. anything else could just cause confusion |
| 17:49 | gmcharlt | yeah, other systems might call it a patron block or something like that |
| 17:49 | but if we were to change it, would want to do so across the board | |
| 17:50 | * gmcharlt | suddenly wonders what law firm libraries make of that terminology :) |
| 17:50 | gmcharlt | I guess it would kinda be the ultimate stick to get lawyers to return their books on time ... do it or be debarred! |
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| 17:51 | sekjal | gmcharlt: we've got a law school library going live soon... we'll ask about the reaction they get |
| 17:52 | fredericd | That's where I'm lost. I'm totaly unable to 'feel' how sound such a formulation... or even if it's just correct. |
| 17:55 | gmcharlt | fredericd: an alternative wording that might work without having to go so far as to drop "debar" might be "Restore Privileges" |
| 17:58 | hdl | maybe "Un - Trap" but this would also be somehow clumsy |
| 18:00 | nengard | debar is one of my pet peeves in koha ... means nothing to most of us |
| 18:00 | should say 'restrict' and 'lift restriction' i think | |
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| 18:01 | gmcharlt | that works |
| 18:01 | nengard | if i get one more vote on that i'll fix it!! :) hehe |
| 18:02 | sekjal | as I recall, it's also being used differently now (to indicate the patron cannot borrower) that it was originally intended in Koha 1.0 (to indicate this person is banned from the library!) |
| 18:02 | nengard | i've hated that forever and ever |
| 18:02 | * oleonard | votes "restrict" |
| 18:02 | nengard | checking for an existing bug report ... if one isnt there i'm reporting and fixing it NOW |
| 18:02 | :) hehe | |
| 18:02 | sekjal | I'd like to see the three flags, debarred, gonenoaddress and lostcard, removed in favour of something more robust and locally configurable |
| 18:03 | * gmcharlt | smells new patron attributes |
| 18:03 | nengard | bug 5268 ... reported by ... ME!! :) |
| 18:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5268 minor, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Language Issue: Debarred |
| 18:03 | nengard | sekjal, that's above my skillset, i'll change labels for now :) hehe |
| 18:03 | fredericd | nengard: Yes, do it. I leave 'Lift Debarment' wording in Paul bug 6328 patch, not beeing able to choose an alternative... |
| 18:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work |
| 18:03 | gmcharlt | and a "banned from the library" flag would work as a attribute as well, partcularly since it is presumably only ever done manually |
| 18:03 | cait | fredericd: do you know if the new feature will change how debarment by notice triggers work? |
| 18:04 | fredericd | cait: no modification in this area I can see. What do you mean exactly? |
| 18:04 | cait | ah cool |
| 18:05 | no, I only wondered because I thought the api was changed | |
| 18:06 | sekjal | going over the top, we could have several User Permissions: CanCheckout, CanPlaceHold, CanRenew etc, each being able to be shut off for a user-configurable reason |
| 18:08 | gmcharlt | sekjal: what would be the advantage of doing it as per-patron permissions as opposed to policies set per patron group or by the circ matrix? |
| 18:09 | sekjal | there defaults defined by patron category and branchcode, yes |
| 18:09 | s/there/there should be/ | |
| 18:10 | but once a patron has too many fines, too many overdues, or does some kind of unruly behaviour, they would individually be changed to a different permission set, selecting from the reasons configured in Auth Values | |
| 18:10 | gmcharlt | sekjal: ah, I see |
| 18:11 | but I think that would be better done parallel to user permissions, not overloading the permissions mechanism | |
| 18:12 | sekjal | it would be a strain to base this all on the current permissions set up, but it would also provide a very integrated approach to things |
| 18:12 | I could see some confusion in future development if we had two permissions systems | |
| 18:12 | it's already confusing enough with the borrowers.flags and then the granular permissions tables in addition to that | |
| 18:12 | gmcharlt | well, it wouldn't be two permissions systems |
| 18:12 | it woudl be one permissions system, and one circ block system | |
| 18:13 | sekjal | ah, okay |
| 18:13 | that makes sense | |
| 18:19 | cait | hm, perhaps fines could also be a trigger to cause a circ block |
| 18:20 | get those can not renew, can not checkout, can not issue fine related sys prefs into a new more flexible block system | |
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| 18:58 | cait | fredericd: still around? |
| 19:07 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 19:07 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 29.4�C (3:10 PM EDT on May 12, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 290 in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening... |
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| 19:13 | rhcl_away | @wunder 64507 |
| 19:13 | huginn | rhcl_away: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 26.4�C (2:10 PM CDT on May 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:29 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 19:29 | huginn | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 28.0�C (12:20 AM IST on May 13, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:35 | indradg | hi.. is there a way within Koha (3.2.x) by which we can search from_accession_no - to_accession_no, or from barcode to barcode (assuming these are something in some sequence)? |
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| 19:45 | rangi | morning |
| 19:47 | sekjal | morning, rangi |
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| 19:54 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:54 | rangi | heya sekjal |
| 19:55 | hey cait | |
| 19:55 | tgif | |
| 19:56 | cait | hehe, here it's still thursday |
| 19:56 | sekjal | rangi: oh, right, you're in the Future |
| 19:57 | rangi | yes with my flying car |
| 19:57 | sekjal | a guy from my home town actually invented the AeroCar |
| 19:57 | Molt Taylor | |
| 19:58 | the little airport on the edge of town is named for him now | |
| 19:58 | http://www.aerocar.com/ | |
| 19:59 | rangi | wow cool |
| 20:03 | sekjal | and with that fun little bit of trivia, I must depart |
| 20:03 | rangi | cya |
| 20:03 | sekjal | goodnight <localtime>, #koha! |
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| 20:03 | cait | bye sekjal and nengard |
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| 20:03 | rangi | I plan to sign off a couple of things today |
| 20:03 | making more work for sekjal | |
| 20:04 | cait | I think he can deal with that :) |
| 20:04 | rangi | :) |
| 20:05 | bus stop brb | |
| 20:07 | smeagol | They promised us hovercrafts... |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | a proper future would have zeppelins |
| 20:12 | ibeardslee | led ones? |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 20:13 | yea, covered in em. ;) | |
| 20:13 | rangi | back |
| 20:14 | ibeardslee | I suppose LED ones as well |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | ooh, shiny |
| 20:15 | in case you are wondering, this really works :D http://code.google.com/p/liquid-galaxy/ | |
| 20:16 | rangi | :) |
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| 20:16 | rangi | morning Brooke |
| 20:17 | Brooke | osi |
| 20:17 | cait | hi Brooke :) |
| 20:17 | Brooke | howday |
| 20:23 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6334] Using OAI with the OPACBaseURL syspref <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6334> |
| 20:23 | * rangi | is looking at that one now |
| 20:23 | rangi | for 3.4 at least |
| 20:24 | indradg | chris_n, around? |
| 20:24 | i'm looking for some help on the label creator | |
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| 20:42 | wizzyrea | "Some of the most successful products don't take much time to learn, but take much time to master." |
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| 20:45 | * Brooke | waves to hdl |
| 20:46 | takes the pebble from wizzyrea's palm and books for it! | |
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| 20:46 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:46 | this seems germane to the topics of the day: http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/lif[…]s-the-best-answer | |
| 20:47 | rhcl_away | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6334 <- "create an immersive experience". What kind of experiences would that be exactly? |
| 20:47 | huginn | 04Bug 6334: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Using OAI with the OPACBaseURL syspref |
| 20:48 | rhcl_away | disregard previous |
| 20:48 | http://code.google.com/p/liquid-galaxy/ <- "create an immersive experience". What kind of experiences would that be exactly? | |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | did you look at the pic? |
| 20:49 | you can basically create a wall of LCD tv's and control the lot of them from one computer, stand in the middle, and be in the middle of it | |
| 20:49 | so anything you can do with google earth | |
| 20:49 | you can be "in it | |
| 20:49 | " | |
| 20:50 | rangi | i was in the earth once |
| 20:50 | theres a bunch of worms down there | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:51 | Brooke | wizzy |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | yes brooke? |
| 20:51 | wahanui | brooke is so 'leet or so sweet |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | too right |
| 20:51 | Brooke | that was eerily similar to a digital tree idea I gave to Jo a while back |
| 20:51 | but me digital tree was cooler | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:51 | Brooke | that could easily be the inside of its trunk though |
| 20:51 | oh know you di'int waha | |
| 20:52 | wahanui forget brooke | |
| 20:52 | wahanui | Brooke: I forgot brooke |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | I sent that to jo |
| 20:52 | Brooke | yeah I saw the tweet |
| 20:52 | * Brooke | needs every tool she can to keep pace with Jo. |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | hee |
| 20:52 | rhcl_away | I guess I'm looking for a good, solid step towards a real Star Treck holodeck. |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | not quite there |
| 20:53 | but | |
| 20:53 | Brooke | well |
| 20:53 | donate to Horowhenua | |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | you could concievably hack this thing together with a kinect |
| 20:53 | hdl | Hi Brooke |
| 20:53 | Brooke | and they'll prolly get right on it ;) |
| 20:53 | rhcl_away | I don't doubt that we are making small, baby steps, but I wanna see some real strides |
| 20:53 | Brooke | *notintendedasafactualstatement. |
| 20:54 | rangi | And Japan is on.....$599 return, yes that's right $599 return. Stop Yakitori time! |
| 20:54 | cait | ? |
| 20:54 | * Brooke | does a wee dance. |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | are you going to japan |
| 20:55 | ? | |
| 20:55 | rangi | grabaseat, cheap flights to japan |
| 20:55 | wasnt planning to, but damn thats cheap | |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | trying to get that engine of tourism going again? |
| 20:55 | rangi | and yakitori!! |
| 20:55 | * Brooke | is savin all her dough for India. |
| 20:55 | cait | yakitory are great (if I am thinking about the right thing - food?) |
| 20:55 | Brooke | food glorious food cait |
| 20:56 | * Brooke | will shortly be eating Japanese, actually >:) |
| 20:56 | indradg | Brooke, ++ |
| 20:57 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]P_and_3M_machines |
| 20:57 | cait: you are | |
| 20:57 | cait | yum |
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| 20:57 | Brooke | damn it! |
| 20:57 | you beat me! | |
| 20:57 | cait | we will probably need this page very soon |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 20:58 | * wizzyrea | facepalms |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | I thought that was documented somewhere already |
| 20:58 | * Brooke | wishes that a wee one would follow Chris with a stick and beat the back of his knees when he does a chore that I could do. |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | < sadly, has intimate knowledge of the process, and longstanding at that. |
| 21:00 | * wizzyrea | is ashamed |
| 21:00 | rangi | Brooke: dont give them any ideas |
| 21:00 | Brooke | Makiawisuq |
| 21:00 | can't remember what you guys call em | |
| 21:01 | but you guys have em too | |
| 21:09 | joynelson joined #koha | |
| 21:09 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 21:10 | rangi | heya joynelson :) hows that debian treating ya? |
| 21:14 | cait | good night all |
| 21:15 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:16 | Brooke left #koha | |
| 21:21 | joynelson | Quick (hopefully) install question. I am installing Koha 3.4 on Debian Squeeze. When I run 'install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh' I get the error E: Unable to locate package libyaz3 |
| 21:21 | Should I install libyaz4? | |
| 21:21 | I can't find libyaz3 anywhere | |
| 21:22 | rangi | you want a quick way of getting all the dependencies installed joynelson ? |
| 21:22 | joynelson | yes please. |
| 21:22 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 21:22 | joynelson | I did that. (or so I thought) |
| 21:22 | rangi | add the squeeze-dev repo |
| 21:22 | joynelson | aaah |
| 21:22 | ok. will try again!! thx | |
| 21:23 | rangi | apt-get install koha-common |
| 21:23 | that will pull in all the dependencies | |
| 21:23 | then you can get the tarball | |
| 21:23 | run the perl Makefile.PL and go from there | |
| 21:23 | joynelson | sounds easy enough. |
| 21:23 | rangi | it pretty much is :) |
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| 21:28 | druthb | o/ |
| 21:29 | rangi | arent you sposta be at dinner? |
| 21:29 | smeagol left #koha | |
| 21:29 | rangi | oh crap |
| 21:29 | druthb | shortly. We catch the train in about an hour. |
| 21:29 | rangi | my ring!!! |
| 21:29 | * druthb | looks at the spot where smeagol sat, curiously. |
| 21:30 | druthb | @seen Brooke |
| 21:30 | huginn | druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 20 minutes and 35 seconds ago: <Brooke> 0/ |
| 21:30 | druthb | uh-huh. not surprised. |
| 21:30 | bg | heya druthb |
| 21:31 | indradg left #koha | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:34 | bg | whois smeagol errr... whatis smeagol |
| 21:34 | heh | |
| 21:35 | rhcl_away | logaems |
| 21:35 | druthb | wahanui: Brooke? |
| 21:35 | wahanui | it has been said that Brooke is sweet, even though she tells us she's not. |
| 21:35 | druthb | correct. |
| 21:36 | wahanui: druthb? | |
| 21:36 | wahanui | you are our resident data mangle^h^h migration specialist, and also a hot lil number in a skirt. |
| 21:36 | * druthb | gives wahanui an ebil eye. |
| 21:36 | druthb | you've been talking to Brooke again, haven't you, wahanui? |
| 21:36 | wahanui | druthb: what? |
| 21:37 | bg | wizzyrea? |
| 21:37 | wahanui | i heard wizzyrea was a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet |
| 21:37 | bg | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:37 | rhcl? | |
| 21:37 | wahanui | rhcl is gonna beat up on an ibot, if it's not careful. |
| 21:37 | bg | heh rhcl++ |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 21:37 | bg | rangi? |
| 21:37 | wahanui | rangi is a proud Māori whose sense of humour matches his prowess in coding. |
| 21:37 | bg | noice rangi++ |
| 21:37 | bg? | |
| 21:37 | wahanui | somebody said bg was awesome! or the BEST BOSS EVAR! |
| 21:38 | * bg | see druthb has been messing with you again |
| 21:38 | bg | forget bg |
| 21:38 | wahanui | bg: I forgot bg |
| 21:38 | rangi | heh |
| 21:38 | * druthb | loox innocent. |
| 21:39 | rhcl_away | but ain't? |
| 21:39 | gee, you'd think it was Friday from the irc chat | |
| 21:40 | rangi | it is :) |
| 21:40 | rhcl_away | two hours into beer friday in NZ, at that |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | everybody's talked out on the list I think |
| 21:40 | * druthb | is innocent! Asks anyone! We sweaaaahs it! |
| 21:42 | rangi | still 6 hours til beer oclock rhcl_away :) |
| 21:42 | ibeardslee | :( |
| 21:42 | rhcl_away | yea, I though about replying to Chris' email with my vote for him to be RM for all of the Koha 5.x and Koha 6.x series. |
| 21:43 | druthb | rhcl++ #rangi for King! |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | noooo |
| 21:43 | well, he could be king :P | |
| 21:43 | rangi | oh sweet baby jebus |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | but maybe not RM |
| 21:43 | rangi | no ! |
| 21:43 | court jester maybe | |
| 21:44 | druthb | heh |
| 21:44 | bg | :) |
| 21:44 | druthb | as I said here this morning--we don't have a Koha Pope, who rules ex cathedra from on high. Maybe we can chain rangi to the Throne for that job. |
| 21:45 | rangi | we do have the pontifical university in rome tho |
| 21:45 | bg | awesome |
| 21:45 | rangi | The Library of the Pontificia Università della Santa Croce -Pontifical University of the Holy Cross, |
| 21:45 | +Rome- is proud to announce the migration to Koha 3.2.7 | |
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| 21:45 | bg | sweet |
| 21:46 | * bg | was hoping that someone in fuji would sign with us and want onsite training - :) |
| 21:46 | * rangi | is quite happy to take less responsibility not more |
| 21:46 | bg | I'd speak up and take that one |
| 21:46 | @karma | |
| 21:46 | huginn | bg: Highest karma: "rangi" (319), "oleonard" (262), and "gmcharlt" (253). Lowest karma: "<!" (-105), "failed" (-54), and "-" (-36). You (bg) are ranked 100 out of 1457. |
| 21:46 | * wizzyrea | thinks it's time for someone else to have a turn, and doesn't volunteer |
| 21:47 | rhcl_away | is koha not well represented in the Far East-Taiwan, Korea, China? |
| 21:47 | rangi | Taiwan yes |
| 21:47 | china and korea no | |
| 21:47 | bg | sorry rangi - the most karma = most responsibility :) |
| 21:47 | druthb | naah, I'm betting I could kiss up to our Director of Open Source Education and she'd make me go to Fiji... |
| 21:47 | SteveJ | I should go ahead and request on-site training here in toasty AZ in July |
| 21:47 | rangi | i know of one public library in mainland china |
| 21:47 | lots of libraries in taiwan | |
| 21:47 | dont know of any in korea | |
| 21:47 | there are some in japan | |
| 21:48 | bg | yeah AZ is awesome though -- good green chilis yummy |
| 21:48 | rhcl_away | I should go convert Korea. I lived there for 12+ years |
| 21:48 | bg | rhcl_away cool |
| 21:48 | rangi | rhcl_away: you so should |
| 21:48 | they are pretty wed to IE and activeX | |
| 21:49 | you'll do the world a favour moving them off that ;-) | |
| 21:49 | bg | does china allow google? |
| 21:49 | rhcl_away | Well, I'd need a job to go with the evangelism. :) |
| 21:49 | rangi | yup |
| 21:49 | rhcl_away | All the MS is pirated... |
| 21:49 | rangi | where in korea were you? |
| 21:50 | bg | rangi - you going to thane (kohacon)? |
| 21:50 | rhcl_away | Oh, a place called Osan for, idonno, 6 years, and then Seoul for about 6 or so. |
| 21:50 | joynelson is now known as tall_joy | |
| 21:50 | bg | rhcl_away - what where you doing? |
| 21:50 | hiya tall_joy | |
| 21:50 | rangi | bg: probably not, i will be speaking in vancouver and then back to nz for Lianza |
| 21:50 | rhcl_away | air force |
| 21:50 | rangi | they both overlap with kohacon dates |
| 21:51 | rhcl_away | korean linguist - translating and all |
| 21:51 | tall_joy | LOL....my true identity is hidden now. :-D |
| 21:51 | bg | ahh air_force makes sense |
| 21:51 | rangi | rhcl_away: ohh translating ... |
| 21:51 | i have a job for you | |
| 21:51 | http://translate.koha-community.org/ | |
| 21:51 | bg | whoops |
| 21:51 | rhcl_away | huh....huh....huh |
| 21:51 | rangi | ask fredericd to add korean here |
| 21:51 | and go for your life ;-) | |
| 21:52 | * druthb | toddles off, to go get pretty for dinner with her daughter and Brooke shortly. |
| 21:52 | bg | cya druthb |
| 21:52 | rangi | have fun druthb |
| 21:52 | bg | druthb++ |
| 21:52 | * druthb | waves. |
| 21:52 | druthb | bg++ #BEST BOSS EVAR! |
| 21:52 | rhcl_away | thing is, I don't know the library terminology. Yea, I could make up something for "circulation" but it might not be what the Koreans use. |
| 21:52 | druthb | rangi++ #Super-RM! |
| 21:52 | bg | rangi++ |
| 21:52 | druthb left #koha | |
| 21:52 | bg | druthb gets her shots in and then runs :) |
| 21:53 | rangi | rhcl_away: yeah thats the trick i stumbled into with maori also |
| 21:53 | but i think mostly right is better than nothing at all | |
| 21:53 | someoen might install it, and fix it then ;) | |
| 21:54 | rhcl_away | If I had access to a Korean Sirsi system that would be a snap. |
| 21:55 | google says "순환 = circulation", but I'll bet that means like water circulating, and I don't have my dictionaries here with me. | |
| 21:56 | rangi | ahh yeah |
| 21:56 | well if you ever do want to have a crack, fredericd is the man to ask to get korean .po files added to the translate site | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | ta ta for now |
| 21:57 | rhcl_away | bye bye |
| 21:57 | rangi | cya wizzyrea |
| 21:58 | bg | time to check the weather |
| 21:58 | @wunder 93109 | |
| 21:58 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.9�C (3:00 PM PDT on May 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:58 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 21:58 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on May 13, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:58 | rhcl_away | I'm hungry, maybe I'll bug out now too. |
| 21:58 | * bg | gets the win now |
| 21:58 | rangi | cya rhcl_away |
| 21:58 | bg | cya rhcl_away |
| 21:59 | but I have a feeling rangi will pull ahead once the clouds burn off and it gets to be later in the day | |
| 21:59 | SteveJ left #koha | |
| 21:59 | rangi | not sure |
| 22:00 | we are heading into winter | |
| 22:00 | bg | ah right |
| 22:00 | one last day :) | |
| 22:00 | rangi | :) |
| 22:02 | * gmcharlt | will get to pill a cat for the first time ever today |
| 22:02 | calls emergency services in advance | |
| 22:02 | ibeardslee | remember they try and cheat |
| 22:03 | rangi | a cat never cheats |
| 22:03 | he/she just bends the world to their will | |
| 22:04 | gmcharlt | a will that never includes consumption of a pill |
| 22:04 | rangi | :) |
| 22:04 | unless it is a pill you really really really dont want them to eat | |
| 22:04 | ibeardslee | don't be tempted to use your finger to shove it all the way down |
| 22:05 | unless you want to explain it to the vet AND your surgeon | |
| 22:05 | rangi | hehe |
| 22:05 | gmcharlt | ibeardslee: why not? I hear cats like to have meaty treats after they swallow a pill ;) |
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| 22:28 | rangi | adalid++ |
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| 22:44 | bg | I just ate some bacon and my dog loves the smell of my breath |
| 22:44 | rangi | heh |
| 22:49 | bg | what's adalid? |
| 22:49 | rangi | someones name :) |
| 22:50 | bg | ahhh now I see it |
| 22:50 | SteveJ left #koha | |
| 22:52 | bg | filtering_email++ dumb_user_who_can't_switch_folders_fast_enough-- |
| 22:57 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 22:57 | chris_n is now known as Guest695 | |
| 22:57 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 23:00 | bg | hey chris_n |
| 23:00 | we've still got a Guest695 as ops :) | |
| 23:01 | at least here we do | |
| 23:01 | pianohacker joined #koha | |
| 23:01 | pianohacker | good afternoon |
| 23:01 | rangi | heya college boy |
| 23:01 | summer break now? going to cancun? | |
| 23:01 | * rangi | plays into stereotypes |
| 23:02 | bg | ah summer break = skiing in chile |
| 23:02 | rangi | is spring break cancun? |
| 23:02 | bg | yeah spring break cancun |
| 23:02 | rangi | right, so skiing in chile then? |
| 23:02 | :) | |
| 23:03 | pianohacker | Haha, nah |
| 23:03 | Just hanging out at the parents house | |
| 23:03 | rangi | i bet thats code for something |
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| 23:04 | * rangi | isnt done with the youngsters slang |
| 23:04 | rangi | done=down |
| 23:04 | pianohacker | I wish! Only interesting thing I'm doing is replacing parts of the wallet I lost |
| 23:04 | Driver's license, insurance card, debit card | |
| 23:04 | great fun | |
| 23:04 | bg | oh man pianohacker that's not too good |
| 23:05 | rangi | ahh my brother in law had that happen |
| 23:05 | in cancun! | |
| 23:05 | pianohacker | nah. I lost it at a friend's house, so it won't be misused, but still a pain |
| 23:05 | oh, ouch | |
| 23:05 | anything bad happen? | |
| 23:05 | rangi | naw, cancelled everything in time |
| 23:05 | but put a downer on the trip | |
| 23:05 | pianohacker | definitely |
| 23:06 | much more of a pain when you're away from home | |
| 23:06 | rangi | yep |
| 23:07 | i lost mine in vienna | |
| 23:07 | at the UN | |
| 23:07 | pianohacker | Oh wow |
| 23:07 | rangi | it got handed in |
| 23:07 | pianohacker | That's nice luck. With everything still in it? |
| 23:07 | rangi | but that was after i had panicked and cancelled my visa |
| 23:07 | yep | |
| 23:07 | lucky it had cash in it | |
| 23:07 | so i was ok for hte rest of the trip | |
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| 23:08 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 23:08 | rangi | and i hadnt cancelled all the other cards, so that was much better than it could have been |
| 23:09 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 23:09 | bg | yeah ouch rangi |
| 23:09 | rangi | i learnt my lesson |
| 23:09 | i empty my wallet when i travel overseas | |
| 23:09 | pianohacker | Were you okay getting home? |
| 23:10 | rangi | i dont need to have my wellington library card in there |
| 23:10 | :) | |
| 23:10 | yeah, my passport was in the hotel safe | |
| 23:10 | pianohacker | You _always_ need your library card, what's wrong with you? |
| 23:10 | rangi | hehe |
| 23:10 | i have a boston library card | |
| 23:10 | eythian | when I travelled for a while, I had two cards that accessed the one account, one lived in my wallet, one in my pack. |
| 23:10 | rangi | thats a good idea eythian |
| 23:10 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
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| 23:10 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 23:10 | rangi | differnt cards, eftpos and visa ? |
| 23:11 | so you can cancel one? | |
| 23:11 | eythian | No, these were travelex cards. |
| 23:11 | pianohacker | [0.0000] waiting for chris_n's to stabilize |
| 23:11 | rangi | ahh even better idea |
| 23:11 | eythian | I think that that it was possible to cancel one, but also it's safer as you pre-load them with money |
| 23:11 | rangi | *nod* |
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| 23:12 | eythian | (and when you run out, you can email the travel agent and get them to put more on) |
| 23:12 | AndroUser is now known as SpaceLib | |
| 23:12 | rangi | heya SpaceLib |
| 23:12 | at an airport? | |
| 23:12 | SpaceLib | Hey! Yep. Auckland. |
| 23:13 | Flight delayed due to bad weather. | |
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| 23:13 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 23:14 | rangi | typical |
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| 23:15 | SpaceLib | Heavy rain at home. going to be interesting to fly into. |
| 23:16 | I see we have one of the vatican libraries on koha. Brilliant. | |
| 23:16 | rangi | pretty cool eh |
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| 23:17 | SpaceLib | As a librarian, that's more of a coup than the uk national archives! |
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| 23:20 | pianohacker | Just make sure tom hanks doesn't help out with that migration |
| 23:21 | rangi | heh |
| 23:21 | SpaceLib | Lol! |
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