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| 00:54 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 00:54 | * druthb | mumbles something that sounds like 'kia ora.' |
| 00:54 | druthb | @seen Brooke |
| 00:54 | huginn | druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Brooke> I pēhea tō rā? |
| 00:58 | * Space_Librarian | waves a druthb |
| 01:00 | druthb | hi, Space_Librarian. :) |
| 01:00 | Space_Librarian | :) |
| 01:24 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 01:24 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (6:26 PM PDT on May 09, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Tuesday... |
| 01:24 | bg | seems to always be a wind advisory in effect |
| 01:24 | druthb | well, it *is* the coast, after all. |
| 01:36 | bencahill joined #koha | |
| 01:38 | bencahill | hey guys, what is 003 - CONTROL NUMER IDENTIFIER ? |
| 01:38 | I keep getting an error on it when adding records...'003 not filled' | |
| 01:39 | eythian | bencahill: if you're on a good browser, you should just be able to click the field and it'll fill itsel out. |
| 01:39 | it should also light up in yellow | |
| 01:40 | rangi | http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ad003.html |
| 01:40 | for authority records | |
| 01:40 | and | |
| 01:40 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]oncise/bd003.html | |
| 01:40 | for bibliographic records | |
| 01:40 | bencahill | ah.. |
| 01:41 | weird though, since I didn't get this error on an installation with all the sample data...is there a setting to auto fill it on page load or something? | |
| 01:42 | eythian | the sample data will have it filled in already. |
| 01:42 | It doesn't get filled on page load, I presume to ensure that it gets reviewed if needed. | |
| 01:42 | bencahill | no, doing z39.50 searches on an install with sample data, sorry :) |
| 01:42 | this is all from z39.50 to the loc | |
| 01:43 | eythian: you're right, it does get filled in when you click on it ;) | |
| 01:43 | eythian | Dunno. I think it tends to come included with z39.50 results. |
| 01:43 | bencahill | eythian: weird, done about 175 marc records from the loc, and none had it... |
| 01:44 | it didn't light up yellow though... (opera) | |
| 01:44 | eythian | hrm, surprising. |
| 01:44 | bencahill | is that css or js? |
| 01:44 | eythian | Yeah, it's mostly aimed at firefox, as it's pretty JS heavy, small browser difference can make things strange, especially in the cataloguing screen. |
| 01:45 | bencahill | ah :) |
| 01:45 | eythian | I don't know, probably the JS attaching a style value. |
| 01:45 | rangi | id be incredibly suprised if any record from LoC didnt have a 003 |
| 01:45 | bencahill | most likely |
| 01:45 | rangi: maybe they do, and I'm doing something odd? | |
| 01:45 | eythian | It might be you didn't notice because it wasn't asking you to fill it out. |
| 01:46 | bencahill | looking at a raw marc, I don't see a 003 |
| 01:46 | rangi | it has a 001 ? |
| 01:46 | bencahill | rangi: yes |
| 01:47 | rangi: the one in question is 'understanding practical unix' | |
| 01:47 | (a book that was laying on the shelf ;P ) | |
| 01:47 | rangi | if it doesnt show, clicking in the 003 to make it show should be sufficient |
| 01:48 | bencahill | unless of course I don't know how to read a marc record ;) |
| 01:48 | rangi: right, that's much better than getting an error :) | |
| 01:49 | btw, using surf to enter data alot :P | |
| 01:49 | rangi | http://books.google.com/books?[…]c21%20003&f=false |
| 01:49 | horrible url, but explains why 003 is important | |
| 01:49 | bencahill | rangi: nice, thx |
| 01:50 | okay guys, clicking is good, thanks :) | |
| 01:52 | oh, how does renewing books currently checked out work? I thought I'd try it out, but it said 'non-renewable' or something to that extent... | |
| 01:52 | rangi | im gonna be forced to point you at the manual :) |
| 01:53 | * bencahill | RTFM |
| 01:53 | rangi | ill find you the section |
| 01:53 | bencahill | why thank you :P |
| 01:53 | rangi | its the circulation rules that determine it |
| 01:53 | bencahill | oh oh... |
| 01:53 | lemme look... | |
| 01:53 | * bencahill | waits for slow server |
| 01:53 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]027#circfinerules |
| 01:55 | bencahill | hmm, 'Renewals Allowed' is currently set to 2, but I couldn't renew even once :-/ |
| 01:55 | nvm, it used to be 0 | |
| 01:55 | :P | |
| 01:56 | (communication error) | |
| 01:57 | that'll be all, thanks a bunch rangi & eythian :) | |
| 01:57 | eythian | sweet as |
| 01:57 | bencahill | :) |
| 01:57 | now to research an RDP protocol error... | |
| 01:59 | bencahill left #koha | |
| 02:12 | sijobl | that is cool |
| 02:12 | oops | |
| 02:12 | hah | |
| 02:12 | rangi | :) |
| 02:16 | http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/[…]ity-fuels-ad.html | |
| 02:16 | I liked this bit | |
| 02:17 | pastebot | "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "The point of this story is tha" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41 |
| 02:19 | rangi | i wish the company that kept comparing themselves to redhat, actually acted more like redhat ;) |
| 02:34 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 02:34 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 02:35 | rangi | hiya Brooke |
| 02:35 | Brooke | :D |
| 02:36 | druthb | hi, Brooke. :) |
| 02:36 | Brooke | ;) |
| 02:37 | Space_Librarian | hey Brooke |
| 02:37 | Brooke | <3 |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea_away | Space_Librarian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1ahItTWak (ala dramatic chipmunk) |
| 02:53 | Brooke | dun dun DUN |
| 02:53 | Space_Librarian | oh dear gawd... |
| 02:53 | eythian | http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29324700 <-- politeness in Perl development |
| 02:53 | (and Klingon) | |
| 02:53 | rangi | andy lester did a good blog post about that subject actually |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea_away is now known as wizzy_home | |
| 03:19 | ibeardslee | ls |
| 03:19 | sigh | |
| 03:25 | eythian | ./ |
| 03:25 | ../ | |
| 03:25 | horse_porn/ | |
| 03:25 | wizzy_home | ! |
| 03:26 | Brooke | sheep pr0n>horse pr0n. |
| 03:26 | eythian | I was just giving him what I'm sure he sees when he does an ls in the right window. |
| 03:27 | Brooke | fencing>sheep pr0n. |
| 03:27 | heheeh | |
| 03:27 | * Brooke | highfives eythian. |
| 03:27 | wizzy_home | dammit I always miss the fun stuff |
| 03:31 | Space_Librarian | hehe |
| 03:32 | ibeardslee | eythian: not my window |
| 03:32 | eythian | sure sure |
| 03:32 | ibeardslee | I have my shells windows on the left |
| 03:33 | Brooke | now now, we can't all have comely Dutch lasses. |
| 03:33 | * ibeardslee | declines to comment |
| 03:33 | * wizzy_home | giggles |
| 03:33 | eythian | http://www.flickr.com/photos/p[…]ssive/5704357882/ <-- printing this message took more energy still |
| 03:34 | Brooke | really, nuffin from druthb? |
| 03:34 | * Brooke | mumbles about the perfect setup being overlooked. |
| 03:35 | giggles. | |
| 03:35 | druthb | lol |
| 03:35 | Brooke | ah how many competent GE secretaries did I swipe. |
| 03:36 | dude that photostream is the bomb. | |
| 03:36 | wizzy_home | it's quite funny |
| 03:39 | Brooke | oh this is bad |
| 03:39 | I'm trying not to laugh the neighbours awake. | |
| 03:40 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/p[…]6/in/photostream/ | |
| 03:41 | wizzy_home | LOL |
| 03:42 | * druthb | giggles. |
| 03:42 | Brooke | Robin wins the how to amuse an ijiot for hours contest. |
| 03:42 | wizzy_home | eythian++ |
| 03:42 | eythian | heh |
| 03:42 | Brooke | This was sorely needed after the testosterone induced bellguard bumping with Mike. |
| 03:43 | wizzy_home | dyac is another great one for belly laughs. |
| 03:45 | ibeardslee | the guy in the desk next to me ends up in tears |
| 03:48 | wizzy_home | at dyac? |
| 03:48 | eythian | no, because he sits next to ibeardslee |
| 03:48 | * wizzy_home | grumbles |
| 03:48 | ibeardslee | wizzy_home: yes eythian: g<tab> |
| 03:49 | eythian | heh |
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| 03:53 | Brooke | ls catalyst |
| 03:57 | Space_Librarian | mmmbyes? |
| 03:58 | * Brooke | is gonna hyperventilate and pass out |
| 04:00 | Brooke | thank you sir, for I now know just what to cut LRTS with to maintain mah sanitay. |
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| 04:08 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 05:10 | Brooke | :) |
| 05:10 | cait | good morning #koha :) |
| 05:10 | hi Brooke :) | |
| 05:11 | Space_Librarian | morning cait |
| 05:11 | cait | evening Space_Librarian :) |
| 05:12 | Space_Librarian | :) |
| 05:13 | Brooke | one big smiley family. |
| 05:13 | ohana to whanau | |
| 05:13 | freggin southerners and yer drawl ;) | |
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| 05:27 | cait | have I scared her away? |
| 05:28 | eythian | yes |
| 05:30 | cait | :P |
| 05:31 | eythian | you asked |
| 05:32 | cait | how is the migration? |
| 05:32 | eythian | making progress. Currently working on extracting the vendor list from liberty in as sensible fashion as I can. |
| 05:34 | cait | ah liberty again |
| 05:34 | eythian | I also note that the 'accountnumber' field is in the database, but not exposed on the UI. Curious. |
| 05:34 | cait | koha? |
| 05:34 | wahanui | i think koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 05:34 | cait | yes |
| 05:34 | the bookseller table is strange | |
| 05:34 | eythian | yeah |
| 05:34 | cait | there are lots of fields not shown anywhere |
| 05:35 | address is weird too | |
| 05:35 | I think we put all in one field | |
| 05:35 | eythian | no, we split it up and take the first 4 lines, and put those into 4 fields. |
| 05:35 | It's still pretty weird. | |
| 05:35 | cait | hm ok, my good mood after waking up is fading, killed my apache configuration |
| 05:36 | eythian | oops |
| 05:36 | cait | eythian: it is |
| 05:38 | eythian | bookselleremail is also not shown in the ui. That's a bit silly |
| 05:38 | and yet there's two separate fax fields. | |
| 05:38 | cait | hm we have an email field |
| 05:38 | shown | |
| 05:39 | eythian | cait: yeah, that's contemail |
| 05:39 | wahanui: fax? | |
| 05:39 | wahanui | bugger all, i dunno, eythian |
| 05:39 | cait | ! |
| 05:39 | eythian | wahanui: fax is <reply>No, \I ain't got a fax machine! \I also ain't got an Apple IIc, polio, or a falcon! |
| 05:39 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 05:39 | eythian | wahanui: fax |
| 05:39 | wahanui | No, I ain't got a fax machine! I also ain't got an Apple IIc, polio, or a falcon! |
| 05:41 | cait | you have bad influence und poor wahanui |
| 05:42 | eythian | wahanui: eythian is a good influence |
| 05:42 | wahanui | ...but eythian is in NZ. ;)... |
| 05:42 | eythian | wahanui: eythian is also a good influence |
| 05:42 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 05:42 | eythian | solved! |
| 05:43 | cait | oh my |
| 05:43 | botsnack wahanui cookie | |
| 05:43 | wahanui botsnack cookie | |
| 05:43 | wahanui | thanks cait :) |
| 05:44 | cait | eythian: can message_queue table only be used for emails to patrons? |
| 05:44 | I was thinking about putting acquisition order mails in there | |
| 05:44 | eythian | I don't know for sure, but I suspect so, as I think it uses the borrower number to look up the email address |
| 05:45 | cait | hm |
| 05:45 | and providing it a from address? | |
| 05:45 | eythian | but it would pay to see if you can give it an email address, and if so what it does |
| 05:45 | dunno, haven't looked into it in depth | |
| 05:45 | cait | do you think it's a good idea to put other mails in there? |
| 05:45 | I like the idea because it would make it possible to track what you have sent out and when | |
| 05:46 | but still not sure :) | |
| 05:47 | eythian | yes, because it also allows you to log and control email centrally, which is quite handy |
| 05:48 | cait | hm ok |
| 05:48 | there might be a reason why you want to make acq mails go out fast, but I think you could just make the cronjob run more often | |
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| 05:50 | eythian | yeah, I don't think the 10-15 minute thing is going to be a problem for that |
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| 05:57 | cait | hm |
| 05:57 | looks like it only uses the borrowernumber if you don't have a to adress in the table :) | |
| 05:57 | eythian | ah, that's good |
| 05:58 | hmm, there's not two fax numbers here, there's three. That's just ridiculous. | |
| 05:58 | cait | if I am reading that correctly... |
| 05:58 | lol | |
| 05:58 | eythian | heh, and every one of them is a different data type |
| 05:58 | cait | yes... |
| 05:58 | borrowers is the same | |
| 05:58 | eythian | yeah |
| 05:58 | cait | I tried to clean that up but got stuck and went on to other projects... |
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| 06:00 | eythian | oh, and the 'active' field is set twice, fortunately from the same source. |
| 06:01 | hi ronald | |
| 06:01 | cait | hi ronald |
| 06:02 | eythian | I think I'm going to go home and finish this tomorrow. |
| 06:03 | bye all | |
| 06:03 | cait | have a nice evening :) |
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| 06:33 | alex_a | hi #koha |
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| 06:38 | paul_p | hello world |
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| 07:40 | julian | hi #koha! |
| 07:41 | rangi | hi europe |
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| 07:47 | mihafan | hello |
| 07:49 | Description of problem: On local machine is installed windows server 2003 with configured active director. I installed Debian on another machine, here I installed Koha 3.2 which still works well. Koha have configured to use a active directory ldap server. I test this ldap server with Softerra LDAP Browser and it works | |
| 07:49 | koha-conf.xml contents: <yazgfs> .............. <config> .......................... <memcached_servers></ memcached_servers> <memcached_namespace></memcached_namespace> <useldapserver>1</useldapserver> <ldapserver id="ldapserver"> <hostname>192.168.11.90:389</hostname> <base>dc=koha,dc=local</base> <user>cn=Administrator,cn=Users,dc=koha,dc=md | |
| 07:49 | <firstname is="givenName" ></firstname> <surname is="sn" ></surname> <address is="postalAddress" ></address> <city is="l" ></city> <branchcode is="" >MAIN</branchcode> <userid is="sAMAccountName" >Administrator</userid> <password is="userPassword" ></passwor | |
| 07:50 | When I try to log in OPAC module, I give a error "Invalid username or password"!!! | |
| 07:51 | rangi | that user doesn't look right to me |
| 07:52 | you have the base info in the user bit | |
| 07:52 | it needs to be a valid user | |
| 07:53 | also when you want to paste, use paste.koha-community.org | |
| 07:54 | pastebot | "mihafan" at 93.116.255.218 pasted "Description of problem: On loc" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/42 |
| 07:54 | rangi | yeah like i said, the user looks wrong to me |
| 07:54 | it should be something like | |
| 07:55 | <user>Administratorkoha.local</user> |
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| 07:55 | (at a guess) | |
| 07:55 | try with ldapsearch on the debian machine | |
| 07:59 | mihafan | how to search in ldap server from debian? |
| 07:59 | must be install a ldap client on debian? | |
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| 08:00 | rangi | sudo apt-get install ldap-utils |
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| 08:01 | rangi | you dont have to have one, but its easier to test with one, but i think the main problem is your user is invalid |
| 08:01 | not really a koha problem, as Koha just uses Net::LDAP so maybe read the man pages for that | |
| 08:02 | mihafan | I think the problem is the file to be made when comparing passwords Auth_with_ldap |
| 08:02 | rangi | could be, are your passwords encrypted? |
| 08:03 | mihafan | not |
| 08:03 | is plain | |
| 08:03 | rangi | stored in plain text in active directory? |
| 08:03 | mihafan | yes |
| 08:03 | rangi | in that case, it wont be the comparison, its more likely the user you are trying to connect with is invalid |
| 08:04 | ie, the user you have in <user></user> | |
| 08:04 | mihafan | Yes |
| 08:05 | I test a ldap server with same credentials and it works | |
| 08:05 | cn=Administrator,cn=Users,dc=koha,dc=local password: Q1W2e3r4 | |
| 08:08 | I long ago set up so only the administrator login but other users are not logged in, appear the error "Unatorized user" | |
| 08:08 | rangi | yes, but tahts not how you specify it in the config file |
| 08:08 | it uses the base | |
| 08:08 | to construct that | |
| 08:09 | you'll have to experiment with it yourself, im out of advice | |
| 08:09 | mihafan | yes I use the base |
| 08:10 | problem is not file Auth_with_ldap?? | |
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| 08:11 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:14 | mihafan | when I create another user in active directory and fill in Koha-conf, this error still occurs |
| 08:14 | "invalid username or password" | |
| 08:26 | rangi? | |
| 08:26 | wahanui | i guess rangi is a proud Māori whose sense of humour matches his prowess in coding. |
| 08:32 | kf | hdl: around? |
| 08:32 | hdl | yes. |
| 08:47 | kf | did you have a change to look at the subscription pattern? |
| 08:49 | hdl | kf: that would change.... |
| 08:49 | indeed. | |
| 08:49 | kf | chance sorry |
| 08:49 | hdl | kf: no problem. |
| 08:50 | I had some work at home yesterday night... But could not work on that. Will test and send you before the regular meeting | |
| 08:51 | (which is tomorrow) | |
| 08:51 | kf | thx |
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| 09:51 | matts is now known as matts_away | |
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| 09:54 | mihafan | Does anyone know what is causing this error "Bad arg length for Socket::pack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be 4 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/Socket.pm line 214." |
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| 10:24 | druthb | o/ |
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| 10:27 | rangi | hey druthb |
| 10:29 | druthb | saw your tweet about the NZ National Archives, rangi. That's very cool! |
| 10:30 | rangi | UK |
| 10:30 | which is even cooler imho | |
| 10:31 | druthb | oh! musta mis-read (too darn early in the AM...) |
| 10:31 | It is very awesome. | |
| 10:31 | rangi | yup |
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| 10:32 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 10:32 | druthb | hi, kf. :) |
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| 11:26 | conan | good morning |
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| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:16 | paul_p | hi oleonard |
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| 12:29 | kf | ok, I have 2 installations, in one it's workingi n the other not - so I suspect configuration |
| 12:29 | when a reserved book is returned, I get a message but no option to print the slip | |
| 12:29 | anyone an idea which switch that could be? | |
| 12:36 | oleonard | kf, I don't see any switch in the template that would turn off the print slip button |
| 12:36 | Do you have any custom CSS hiding things? | |
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| 12:39 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 12:40 | kf | no |
| 12:40 | oleonard: it's weird | |
| 12:40 | it says the item is reserved on check-in but no buttons for printing the slip and confirming the hold | |
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| 12:47 | kf | hm |
| 12:47 | I have only one brnach | |
| 12:48 | but it says: Hold at Seminar Stuttgart | |
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| 12:56 | kf | owen: you might be right |
| 12:56 | I see the buttons in the source code of the page | |
| 12:56 | oleonard | Tricky |
| 12:58 | kf | thx :) |
| 12:58 | $("input[name='exemptfine']").parent().remove(); | |
| 12:59 | hmpf | |
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| 13:12 | Oak | \o |
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| 13:43 | oleonard | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15689 |
| 13:45 | druthb | That's very cool news, oleonard. |
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| 14:00 | wizzyrea | yea, grats to colin and pals |
| 14:01 | * wizzyrea | finds this trend of Koha in government interesting |
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| 14:05 | rhcl | @seen gmcharlt |
| 14:05 | huginn | rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> :) |
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| 14:23 | rhcl | Hey, we just got a bookcrossing book back from 2002. Might be amusing to have a Koha function to track these books. |
| 14:24 | * wizzyrea | idly wonders if they have an api |
| 14:25 | wizzyrea | looks like not |
| 14:26 | nengard | need me some sys pref help |
| 14:26 | CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions ... | |
| 14:26 | and then there is HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn | |
| 14:26 | what does HomeOrHoldingBranch do? | |
| 14:26 | and i the manual correct when I say it's linked to IndependantBranches | |
| 14:27 | * wizzyrea | has always been confused by that |
| 14:27 | wizzyrea | but I know that it has something to do with the way the rules are applied for circulation, and what happens when books are returned |
| 14:28 | nengard | that much is clear, paul_p was this a Biblibre addition? |
| 14:28 | all three have to do with circ rules and checking in and out ... just not sure which does what | |
| 14:29 | there is at least one bug to report here though ... CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions | |
| 14:30 | they can't both do the same thing ... or if they do then we don't need two prefs : | |
| 14:30 | :) | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | I think that one of them is supposed to be eliminated, but wasn't yet. |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | HomeOrHolding was going away in favor of CircControl |
| 14:30 | but there's a bug on deprecating it | |
| 14:31 | and I believe there was objection | |
| 14:31 | * paul_p | reading |
| 14:31 | paul_p | (hello USA !) |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ding&list_id=5333 |
| 14:33 | paul_p | mmm... sorry, I won't be able to help you, it's not clear for me too |
| 14:34 | nengard | wizzyrea, okay, that's confusing |
| 14:34 | gonna put this to the dev list I guess | |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | I didn't say you'd like the answer ;) |
| 14:35 | * paul_p | looking to french descriptions of those sysprefs to see if it helps... |
| 14:36 | paul_p | same description too, it doesn't help... |
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| 14:41 | slef | bug 5333 |
| 14:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 |
| 14:50 | hdl | nengard: HomeOrHoldingBranch is there to tell which of the two fields of items homebranch or holdingbranch is to be considered in circulation. |
| 14:50 | nengard | then what is circcontrol? |
| 14:52 | like i said they have the same description | |
| 14:57 | ? | |
| 14:59 | conan | the irc meeting... is tomorrow? |
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| 15:01 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:01 | * Oak | waves |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea | hi Oak :) |
| 15:01 | Oak | hiya wizzyrea :) |
| 15:01 | hdl | Circcontrol is here to say which branch from user, library or item to consider. |
| 15:01 | Oak | that rhymes |
| 15:02 | hdl | nengard: maybe circcontrol should also get into details : saying items.holdingbranch Or items.homebranch |
| 15:02 | It was not designed that way. | |
| 15:02 | * wizzyrea | proposes that all syspref descriptions should be done in verse |
| 15:03 | hdl | Most of american libraries consider homebranch as the item related information. |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | (teasing) |
| 15:03 | nengard | so if i have circontrol set to 'the library the item is from' and homeorholdingbranch set to 'the library the item was checked out from' what happens |
| 15:03 | what rules are followed | |
| 15:03 | hdl | But French are not. |
| 15:04 | * conan | finally discovered how to import from isismarc into koha |
| 15:04 | hdl | It is the system preference description which is not really good. |
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| 15:05 | hdl | circontrol set to the items branch. And then you would choose homebranch or holdingbranch |
| 15:06 | In your case the real rule followed is : the library the item was checked out from | |
| 15:07 | nengard | hdl, i'm sorry i'm still very confused |
| 15:08 | hdl | nengard: in the case of Circcontrol, you have the choice between "3 tables" : issues (or C4::Context-userenv) borrowers, items. |
| 15:08 | It is that level of choice. | |
| 15:09 | for CircControl | |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | so you can circ with rules based on issuing library, borrower's homebranch, or the item's home branch |
| 15:09 | with CircControl | |
| 15:09 | hdl | HomeOrHoldingBranch is to decide whether it is items' homebranch or items' holding branch |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | so only items |
| 15:10 | hdl | i.e. the library rule where the item last was. |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | and nothing to do with borrowers or logged in branch |
| 15:10 | hdl | No. |
| 15:10 | only items... | |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | oh, only the current location |
| 15:11 | (holding branch) | |
| 15:12 | hdl | holding branch is the library which latest had the book. |
| 15:12 | wizzyrea | right |
| 15:12 | (where it is now) | |
| 15:13 | hdl | well... where it is supposed to be now... The library which has it. |
| 15:14 | The inner behaviour for an item is different depending on the HomeOrHoldingBranch or PickupLibrary | |
| 15:14 | PickupLibrary only impacts issuingrule. | |
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| 15:15 | hdl | when HomeOrHoldingBranch set to HoldingBranch, it changes the holdingbranch when a borrower returns a book to another library, not the homebranch. |
| 15:16 | Because in a network, it is important to keep track of the library who OWNS the item, and the library who HOLDS the item. | |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | the application of this is that you can have floating items, items that were checked out from their home branch, but returned at another branch |
| 15:19 | * conan | notices meeting will be at 23 hs today for him |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | home or holding return decides whether, when an item is returned, it is held at the holding branch or force returned to the home branch |
| 15:19 | I think | |
| 15:19 | that | |
| 15:20 | one is one that I've had to futz with lately | |
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| 15:30 | hdl | wizzyrea nengard does that make more sense now ? |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | I think so? |
| 15:30 | the basic idea I got | |
| 15:31 | CircControl = rules based on one of item homebranch, patron homebranch, or logged in user branch | |
| 15:31 | HomeOrHolding = rules based only on items (possibly to be deprecated) | |
| 15:32 | HomeOrHoldingReturn = defines what happens to an item returned at a branch other than it's home | |
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| 15:32 | wizzyrea | anywhere close to reality? |
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| 15:33 | kf | oleonard++ late thx for the jquery/css hint :) |
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| 15:37 | hdl | wizzyrea : quite close... But I know Of HomeOrHoldingBranch and HomeOrHoldingBranchReserves but not of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn. |
| 15:38 | wizzyrea | HOHR is under local use atm |
| 15:38 | it's new-ish | |
| 15:38 | funny, because I didn't know about HomeOrHoldingBranchReserves | |
| 15:42 | sekjal | HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn is currently incompatible with IndependantBranches |
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| 15:43 | sekjal | I've got a fix for it that I need to wrap up and push |
| 15:44 | hdl | @later tell kf INSERT INTO `subscription` VALUES (3,4,'demo','2011-02-10',1,NULL,NULL,0,24,0,6,NULL,'{X} - {Y}','','1',1,6,9999999,0,2012,1,1,9999,1,219,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,'2011-05-31',0,'','',7,NULL,'','','GEN','IPT',1,NULL,0,'','',0,'2013-02-10'); here is what you asked for. |
| 15:44 | huginn | hdl: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:45 | hdl | @later tell kf it worked for me you can test on koha.master.testing.biblibre.com |
| 15:45 | huginn | hdl: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:51 | nengard | wizzyrea HOHR was pushed to 3.4 last week i think by chris_n |
| 15:51 | where R=Return | |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | :) I gathered |
| 15:51 | * wizzyrea | finds that odd |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | since I've had it for a copule months at least |
| 15:51 | (affecting stuff, no less) | |
| 15:52 | maybe it was moved from localuse to it's proper place? | |
| 15:52 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it was missing from the .pref file, so it was in local use. |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | gotcha |
| 15:52 | nengard | maybe - the push did say moved HOHR to .pref file |
| 15:52 | or some such thing | |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | AHA |
| 15:52 | nengard | like jcamins said |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | there you have it |
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| 15:57 | conan | is there an open source marc generator that takes input from a printed marc file? |
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| 15:59 | conan | somehow MarcEdit works well for 1000 records and below, but it cracks when you feed it with more records |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | sekjal++ |
| 16:03 | nengard | conan, i've done well over 50000 before with no prob |
| 16:03 | sekjal | wizzyrea: waz tha for? |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | fixing the lowercase tobranches ;) |
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| 16:04 | wizzyrea | hi margo |
| 16:04 | margo | good morning-ish |
| 16:05 | wizzyrea | it's 'time-of-the-day' in #koha :) |
| 16:05 | margo | lol |
| 16:05 | nengard | hiya margo |
| 16:06 | margo | hey nengard |
| 16:07 | is the 3.4 manual searchable yet? | |
| 16:07 | conan | nengard: you got accents problems? |
| 16:07 | nengard | working on it .... |
| 16:07 | conan - what problem? | |
| 16:07 | margo | ok |
| 16:08 | conan | well, we found problems when importing from isismarc into koha because the accents were not importing ok, so now we're trying a workaround by doing a print to a file in isismarc and then loading that printout into MarcEdit to compile a proper .mrc |
| 16:09 | we tried 1 record and went fine | |
| 16:09 | we tried 1000 records, also fine | |
| 16:09 | we tried all DB which is >14000 and suddenly all accents dissapeared | |
| 16:09 | can bits get exhausted? :P | |
| 16:10 | nengard | i'm not sure that i had that issue ... |
| 16:10 | cant remember | |
| 16:11 | conan | but you have accents in your records? |
| 16:12 | nengard | they weren't my records so i don't know for sure what was in there |
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| 16:32 | rhcl | My googler is broke. Can anyone give me a frame of reference for using "REST" for a database connection? |
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| 16:34 | druthb | nothing much magic about REST, rhcl. It's just a fancy sort of URL, and not *very* fancy, at that. |
| 16:35 | The programmer sets things up so the program answers to URLS like http://site.org/search/<searchstring>...not *that* dissimilar from what Koha does now, really. | |
| 16:36 | rhcl | I can't find any documentation--it's probably all buried in search results like "database connection for the rest of us". |
| 16:37 | jcamins | rhcl: druthb has described the complete definition of REST, I think. |
| 16:37 | druthb | Here's a basic reader that might help: http://rest.elkstein.org/ |
| 16:38 | rhcl | hey, that looks like a good link! druthb++ |
| 16:38 | * druthb | blushes. |
| 16:38 | cait | to lazy to read back - why are you talking about rest? |
| 16:38 | druthb | Thanx. |
| 16:38 | cait | ;) |
| 16:38 | * druthb | points at rhcl. "Greg asked." |
| 16:38 | jcamins | cait: we're all tired. ;) |
| 16:38 | cait | ah |
| 16:38 | I thought there was a rest api for biblios - not sure it's still there | |
| 16:39 | rhcl | Kyle Hall indicates that he will be using ReST for the new Libki client/server to communicate with the Koha db. |
| 16:39 | jcamins | cait: see my RefWorks export example. |
| 16:39 | cait | ah |
| 16:40 | jcamins | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]orks_link_to_OPAC |
| 16:40 | * jcamins | is *very* proud of that one. |
| 16:40 | cait | wow |
| 16:40 | lots of code | |
| 16:41 | druthb | REST makes a lot of sense, and is lightweight and (relatively) easy to program. I'd love to see more Koha things accessible via REST structures. |
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| 17:00 | indradg | hi #koha |
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| 17:09 | * druthb | waves to schuster |
| 17:10 | schuster | heyo! |
| 17:24 | cait | hiho |
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| 17:30 | cait | sekjal++ |
| 17:30 | druthb | sekjal++ |
| 17:30 | sekjal | @karma sekjal |
| 17:30 | huginn | sekjal: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 94 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 93. |
| 17:30 | druthb | @karma druthb |
| 17:30 | huginn | druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 94 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 94. |
| 17:30 | druthb | be switched; I'm still ahead of him. Just. |
| 17:31 | * sekjal | is confused, but reckons that may from lack of lunch |
| 17:31 | sekjal | brb, all |
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| 17:37 | * druthb | waves to mari_marvel |
| 17:39 | nengard | @karma nengard |
| 17:39 | huginn | nengard: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 165 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 165. |
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| 17:45 | bg | @karma brendan |
| 17:45 | huginn | bg: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26. |
| 17:47 | druthb | brendan++ #whether he wants it or not! |
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| 17:54 | nengard | hehe |
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| 18:43 | skushner | 0kk |
| 18:43 | oleonard | ? |
| 18:44 | skushner | set color to white |
| 18:44 | oleonard | Okay... |
| 18:44 | skushner | invisible ink |
| 18:45 | oleonard | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]g/koha/2011-05-10 |
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| 19:05 | wizzyrea | anyone care to share with me their dev workflow? I'm still working mine out and my mental map needs filling in |
| 19:05 | oleonard | 1. Dev. 2. ??? 3. Profit. |
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| 19:06 | * druthb | waves to skushner. |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | I think it's 2 that I'm working out ;) |
| 19:07 | oleonard | What do you think is lacking? |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | well, when you're doing an improvement, lets just say |
| 19:08 | well for example | |
| 19:08 | this attach items thing I'm working on. It's done, but I'm not sure the best way to go about submitting it? I know that sounds a little crazy. | |
| 19:08 | mib_aufos3 | Hi, I will to transport my library from localhost to web space. What can I do? |
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| 19:23 | skushner | hi ruth |
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| 19:48 | aogle | mib_aufos3, either open up your firewall, let the world in. Or get some hosting somewhere. |
| 19:48 | eh, nvm :-| | |
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| 20:01 | rhcl | @seen gmcharlt |
| 20:01 | huginn | rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 5 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> :) |
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| 20:32 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6323> |
| 20:37 | rangi | morning |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 20:40 | rhcl | afternoon |
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| 20:50 | skushner | evenin' |
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| 20:51 | rangi | heh |
| 20:51 | skushner and rhcl, you guys hanging round for the meeting today? | |
| 20:52 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6295 - misaligned columns in opac suggestions list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]18e5a1fa530140851> / Bug 6308 - Show number of comments - new patch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9247023bd818b17b9> |
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| 21:02 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
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| 21:02 | skushner | when is the meeting? |
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| 21:03 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_11_May_2011 |
| 21:03 | has a link to a time converter there | |
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| 21:12 | skushner | don't think so, sry |
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| 21:12 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6284, Reports Filters Need Prettying <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]30d79acb52b92a8f4> / Bug 6320 Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]11adb3e08d4747923> |
| 21:12 | Space_Librarian | morning #koha |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | mornin Space_Librarian |
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| 21:19 | * Space_Librarian | waves |
| 21:23 | rhcl | rangi: meeting today? The one tomorrow (for us) I presume you mean? |
| 21:23 | rangi | whats the time there now? |
| 21:24 | rhcl | Yes, I should be there, but will be in a manager's meeting. I'll monitor with my laptop. |
| 21:24 | rangi | its at 2utc today |
| 21:24 | so in 4.5 hours | |
| 21:24 | rhcl | I am confusted so. |
| 21:24 | skushner | yesh |
| 21:24 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_11_May_2011 |
| 21:25 | rhcl | OK, so there's an irc meeting in 4.5 hours. I'll be there. |
| 21:25 | rangi | cool |
| 21:25 | * wizzyrea | to, assuming I can get kiddo in bed :) |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | too* even |
| 21:25 | rhcl | yea, I was on the link, and I said 9:00 am for the converter. But I got it now. |
| 21:26 | Oh, maybe one of us was off 12 hours. | |
| 21:28 | 9:00pm? 9:00pm? Hey wizzyrea, does All Stars have wireless internet? | |
| 21:29 | * wizzyrea | considers... |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | why exactly would you want wifi at a nudie bar? |
| 21:29 | rhcl | NUDIE BAR? Where? |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | sorry, refined sports bar place with scantily clad waitresses who happen to dance jugs. |
| 21:30 | jigs | |
| 21:30 | (lol) | |
| 21:31 | bg | heh |
| 21:31 | rhcl | Well, we can sit in the back and drink coffee and Mibbit IRC. |
| 21:31 | * bg | giggles watching that exchange |
| 21:31 | joethoks | so... 4.5 hours from now? |
| 21:31 | bg | at the nudie_bar yes |
| 21:32 | rhcl | yep. Our 9:00pm |
| 21:32 | * wizzyrea | is amazed no one caught that rather hilarious typo |
| 21:32 | joethoks | I will be listening to Lucinda Williams |
| 21:32 | rhcl | I did |
| 21:32 | joethoks | oh yes, hilarious |
| 21:32 | YAWN | |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | i almost fell over. |
| 21:32 | * wizzyrea | sighs at joethoks |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | aren't you in OKLAHOMA now? |
| 21:33 | joethoks | Hold on to your pole |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | ks. psh. |
| 21:33 | rhcl | well, at least we see what got bg to speak up :) |
| 21:34 | bg | heh - damn keyword alerts ;) |
| 21:34 | joethoks | Yes, Tulsa, where Lucinda Williams is too. Probably about to do a sound check about now |
| 21:34 | rhcl | hehe |
| 21:34 | who is Lucinda Williams? | |
| 21:34 | joethoks | WHAT???? |
| 21:34 | rhcl | who is Lucinda Williams? |
| 21:34 | joethoks | that is like saying Who is ELVIS |
| 21:34 | rhcl | who is Elvis? |
| 21:35 | joethoks | ha ha ha |
| 21:35 | well played | |
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| 21:35 | joethoks | alas, afk |
| 21:35 | rhcl | Hey, I don't get out much, except to places that apparently other people don't go to, and where the performers have one-name names |
| 21:36 | joethoks | Mercedes |
| 21:36 | Tuesday | |
| 21:36 | Cloud | |
| 21:36 | know em? | |
| 21:36 | whoops, afk | |
| 21:37 | rhcl | Huh, not those. |
| 21:40 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #244: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/244/ |
| 21:40 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 6308 - Show number of comments - new patch | |
| 21:40 | * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6295 - misaligned columns in opac suggestions list | |
| 21:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6308 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Show number of comments on the "Comments" tab in OPAC |
| 21:40 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6295 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , misaligned columns in opac suggestions list | |
| 21:40 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 245 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:55 | margo | goodnight #koha |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | back later :) |
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| 22:16 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6325] Bib detail - z39.50 button functionality should be under "Edit" menu. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6325> |
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| 22:22 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #245: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/245/ |
| 22:22 | * Frédéric Demians: Bug 6320 Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue | |
| 22:22 | * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6284, Reports Filters Need Prettying | |
| 22:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6320 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue |
| 22:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6284 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Reports Filters Need Prettying | |
| 22:31 | eythian | wahanui: cat is http://www.nyan.cat/ |
| 22:31 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
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| 23:55 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 23:55 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8�C (4:58 PM PDT on May 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until midnight PDT tonight... |
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| 23:59 | Space_Librarian | sorry. sorting out my android irc |
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