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01:47 | Space_Librarian | silly question: does anybody know if there is a report out that has collated the number of libraries adopting open source ILS's by country for comparison? |
01:52 | druthb | not that I know of, Space_Librarian. |
01:53 | * Space_Librarian | sees a paper in the making. |
01:53 | Space_Librarian | Thta's a shame, it would have come in handy for the abstract I'm writing. Thanks Ruth. :) |
01:53 | that's* | |
02:43 | rangi | Space_Librarian: its mostly because no one knows |
02:44 | hence | |
02:46 | the bug that i cant find, to allow for people to report they are using koha from their about page | |
02:48 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]he_Koha_community | |
02:54 | wizzy_home | oo that's a good idea |
02:54 | rangi | yup |
02:54 | its on my 'when i get time' list | |
02:55 | so someone needs to do it before 2028 | |
02:55 | :) | |
02:55 | its not actually much to do really | |
02:59 | wizzy_home | are you thinking of a thing that gives them some form fields, a dump of the about page data, and registers that data somewhere or just a link to a place for ppl to register? |
03:00 | rangi | the former |
03:00 | wahanui | it has been said that the former is correct - i.e., you can change it, but then must run batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl |
03:00 | wizzy_home | forget the form |
03:00 | forget the former | |
03:00 | wahanui | wizzy_home: I forgot former |
03:00 | rangi | so you click on 'register me' it prefils a form and you add/subtract from it and hit save, and it hits some webservice that saves the info in a db |
03:01 | wizzy_home | right |
03:12 | rangi | the spidering im less interested in, though that would be cool, mainly just a nice way for people if they want to show up in the list of koha users, to be able to do it |
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03:57 | bg | evening all |
03:58 | rangi | heya bg |
04:04 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
04:04 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (9:07 PM PDT on May 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 10 am PDT Monday... |
04:05 | bg | yeah figured there was a wind advisory |
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04:20 | eythian | wahanui: squirrels is <reply>I think you mean "sqrats" |
04:20 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
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07:14 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.4.0 is now available | Next IRC meeting 11 May 2011 0200 UTC+0 | http://koha-community.org | This channel is logged | Pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org | |
07:15 | hdl | Hi indradg yes you should search in that direction |
07:16 | indradg | hdl, yeah... working on that, I've to generate an electoral list from among the members (all except child members) |
07:16 | these members elect the library management board | |
07:17 | hdl | report then update SQL to add a new patronAttributeType to A and S members ;) |
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07:23 | kf | good morning #koha |
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08:02 | * Oak | waves |
08:07 | * kf | waves |
08:08 | rangi | evening |
08:10 | paul_p | hi rangi & al |
08:16 | * indradg | waves |
08:22 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5740] spanish intranet dictionary file has a missing character <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5740> / [Bug 6277] CustomLog by default <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6277> / [Bug 5717] Some search results appear as "No Title" when zebraqueue is used instead rebuild_zebra.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5717> |
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09:00 | kf | hi paul_p and rangi |
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09:00 | * kf | is fighting with InDesign |
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09:49 | rangi | http://www.codesimplicity.com/[…]unity-simplified/ |
09:50 | msun | hi everybody |
09:56 | kf | rangi: was about to copy the link here - cool read |
09:56 | lunch time | |
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09:58 | msun | Could anyone say how to add searching keywords for a particular book |
09:59 | in koha | |
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10:30 | druthb | good morning, #koha. :) |
10:30 | rangi | morning druthb |
10:31 | druthb | :D |
10:32 | msun | Could anyone say in koha "how to add keywords of a book" |
10:33 | rangi | msun: koha searching doesnt use keywords |
10:34 | but if you want to store some, you could put them in one of the note fields (one of the 5xx fields in marc21) | |
10:34 | druthb: are you on the code4lib list? | |
10:35 | druthb | not at the moment, rangi; am I misisng something epic? |
10:36 | rangi | naw, just elsevier trying to get people to code for free on their 'open' platform under the guise of a competition |
10:40 | druthb | lol. |
10:41 | That's like SirsiDynix talking about their "open" API, which you have to pay thousands of dollars to have access too--you can share code freely with others who have paid the thousands, so that makes it "open," you see. | |
10:42 | rangi | yeah, exactly like that :) |
10:50 | msun | rangi: I had put keywords in 504 field in marc21. But I cant search out the book using these keywords. |
10:50 | kf_away | hm probably 6xx fields are better |
10:50 | your keywords are about the topic of the book? | |
10:52 | there is a field for uncontrolled subjects in 6xx...try 653 | |
10:52 | msun: when you are using zebra you have to make sure your records get reindexed by rebuild_zebra run as a cronjob | |
10:54 | msun | kf_away: ok i will check it |
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11:19 | msun | kf_away: thank you very much.. it is working with 653 |
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11:22 | kf_away | msun: you are welcome |
11:26 | conan | hello everybody |
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11:43 | kf_away | jquery++ |
11:43 | hi conan | |
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11:47 | druthb | kf++ #clever jquery-ing |
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11:57 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
11:57 | kf_away | search faq |
11:57 | search faq? | |
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11:57 | kf_away | hi jcamins :) |
11:57 | wizzyrea_away | searching faq? |
11:57 | wahanui | searching faq is, like, at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
11:57 | kf_away | thx liz |
11:57 | search faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ | |
11:57 | * wizzyrea_away | grins and waves sleepily |
11:58 | * kf_away | sends you a cookie ;) |
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12:03 | druthb | hi, wizzyrea_away. :) |
12:03 | wizzyrea_away | mornin |
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12:05 | francharb | hi all |
12:06 | kf_away | hi francharb :) |
12:11 | conan | I got these settings on mysqld: |
12:11 | pastebot | "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "problem with encoding" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40 |
12:12 | conan | I go to Home › Administration › Patron Categories and define a category with a word with accent |
12:13 | Then I go to home > patrons and chose the deployable menu to create a new user | |
12:13 | kf_away | have you seen the mysql thing on the wiki? |
12:13 | conan | and the accented word shows wrong |
12:14 | I check the encoding for the page, and it's utf8 | |
12:14 | change it to force it to iso88591 and then deployable menu shows right, but the rest of the page doesn't | |
12:14 | wahanui | conan: that doesn't look right |
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12:14 | conan | so I think, there must saved it with wrong encoding on DB |
12:15 | so I do a dump of the particular table and file reports it's utf8 | |
12:15 | (!) | |
12:16 | So to summarize: everything it's set for utf8, I'm not dealing with imported data, I'm creating it, the saved character set is utf8, but somehow when it's shown in the deployable menu, it gets wrong | |
12:16 | kf_away: nope, but I'll look at it now... | |
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12:17 | conan | Hum... I think I don't got the apache bit, let's see... |
12:21 | nope, no luck | |
12:21 | it seems this deployable menu is bewitched | |
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12:24 | nengard | is there anything going on with the git repo? I'm getting an error "Unable to look up git.koha-community.org (port 9418) " |
12:24 | the website works though | |
12:25 | jcamins | That sounds like DNS. |
12:25 | wizzyrea_away | its working for me |
12:26 | at least gitweb is | |
12:26 | oleonard | git fetch is working for me |
12:26 | wizzyrea_away | git.koha-community.org.3600INA174.143.233.17 is what dig tels me |
12:26 | jcamins | It's working fine for me. |
12:27 | * jcamins | blames Comcast on nengard's behalf |
12:27 | wizzyrea_away | ^^ |
12:28 | nengard | jcamins i wouldn't be caught dead using comcast |
12:28 | dropped them years ago cause they suck | |
12:29 | wizzyrea_away | verizon then >.> |
12:29 | nengard | gonna do a restart cause i think it has to do with the public wifi networks i was on this weekend (they were acting wonky) |
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12:34 | nengard | bingo |
12:35 | not verizon's fault either ;) was stupid AT&T from Starbucks holding on to something on my computer | |
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13:34 | kf_away | slideshare? |
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13:42 | wizzyrea | kf are you wanting the slideshare group? |
13:45 | kf_away | yess... |
13:45 | screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.t[…]w=archive&nsfw=dc | |
13:45 | screencasts? | |
13:45 | wahanui | screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.t[…]w=archive&nsfw=dc |
13:46 | wizzyrea | slideshare is at http://www.slideshare.net/group/koha-ils |
13:46 | kf_away | thx :) |
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14:08 | * druthb | waves to rhcl |
14:10 | rhcl | OH GUYS! This is really really important! |
14:10 | did gmcharlt break the news? | |
14:10 | wizzyrea | ? |
14:10 | gmcharlt | ? |
14:11 | wizzyrea | if it's that important perhaps he should do it :P |
14:11 | kf_away | ? |
14:11 | rhcl | well, he's had time by now. |
14:11 | wizzyrea | uh uh not fair |
14:11 | * wizzyrea | covers her eyes |
14:11 | * kf_away | hides behind wizzyrea |
14:12 | * wizzyrea | firmly believes that any news should come from the source, on their timeline |
14:12 | wizzyrea | :P |
14:13 | rhcl | Heck, it's open and published and everybody in my library is passing around the email notification. |
14:13 | gmcharlt | Poplar Bluff? |
14:14 | rhcl | MOBIUS has contracted with Equinox to assist with the installation and migration of Evergreen and will provide training for MOBIUS staff to fully host and manage the Evergreen system. |
14:15 | I would see this as a harbinger of things to come. | |
14:20 | gmcharlt | ah, yes |
14:20 | we're pretty excited | |
14:20 | rhcl | http://mobiusconsortium.org/ |
14:21 | I'd see this as a big foot in the door. | |
14:24 | hi druthb et al | |
14:25 | wizzyrea | template_toolkit++ |
14:26 | much easier to understand imo. | |
14:28 | kf_away | someone using serials? |
14:28 | I need help | |
14:29 | I have a year that is supposed to rollover every 6 issues, and the issues are counted without rollover, starting at 215 in january | |
14:29 | oh | |
14:29 | and every 2 months a new issue | |
14:30 | my years are not rolling over when I try to do that :( | |
14:33 | wizzyrea | grats we're doing it right (mostly) :) http://www.codesimplicity.com/[…]unity-simplified/ |
14:35 | nengard I'm having a dense moment | |
14:35 | where do I add my preso to the slideshare group? | |
14:35 | nengard | not dense |
14:35 | it's not straightforward | |
14:36 | wizzyrea | oh good :) |
14:36 | nengard | on your presentation there is a link to 'more' in the top right |
14:36 | click that | |
14:36 | and you can choose to send to a group | |
14:36 | it will show you the groups you belong to | |
14:36 | wizzyrea | Ohhhhh no, that is in no way straightforward |
14:36 | kf_away | nengard: do you perhaps know how to do that subscription pattern in koha? |
14:36 | it's driving me insane :( | |
14:37 | nengard | kf_away i have a sample i think in the manual - but yeah it's so darn hard that's why i asked on list for examples to include in the manual |
14:38 | hdl | nengard: Is MFHD more readable as of subscription pattern ? |
14:38 | kf_away | but you think it shoudl be possible? |
14:38 | the years changing but the issue number going up? | |
14:38 | nengard | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]ual-en/?ch=a14927 |
14:38 | hdl | kf that should be. |
14:39 | nengard | hdl, i've never been a serials cataloger, so I don't know about MFHD either :( |
14:39 | I was a monograph cataloger only | |
14:39 | wizzyrea | slideshare? |
14:39 | wahanui | slideshare is at http://www.slideshare.net/group/koha-ils |
14:40 | hdl | nengard: my experience is that MFHD is a nightmare and not only to read but also to implement. |
14:41 | gmcharlt | forutnately, there's quite a bit of code in Evergreen for handling MFHDs that is general enough to turn into a generic Perl module |
14:42 | wizzyrea | generic_perl_modules++ |
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14:45 | rhcl | is z39.71 specific to serials? |
14:45 | kf_away | nengard++ |
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14:46 | Oak | \o |
14:47 | wizzyrea | o/ |
14:47 | druthb | \o/ |
14:48 | Oak | <o/ |
14:48 | \o> | |
14:48 | Saturday night fever | |
14:48 | druthb | lol |
14:48 | Oak | :) |
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14:49 | joethoklahominian | wow! congratulations Galen! |
14:49 | wizzyrea | \o/ ^o^ (o( /o\ (Village People) |
14:49 | Oak | hehe |
14:50 | gmcharlt | :) |
14:50 | druthb | wizzyrea++ |
14:50 | Oak | ^o^ that's the MJ Thriller move |
14:51 | wizzyrea | haha |
14:51 | Oak | me ++ too then? |
14:51 | druthb | Oak++ |
14:51 | wizzyrea | oak++ |
14:51 | Oak | yay |
14:51 | wizzyrea | the saturday night fever one alone |
14:51 | was worth karma | |
14:52 | Oak | hehe cool |
14:52 | thanks! | |
14:52 | kf_away | nengard: doesn't work for me :( |
14:52 | nengard | the sample serial doesn't work? |
14:53 | kf_away | the sample serial works, but when I try to make it use my numbers I fail |
14:53 | my subscription starts 2011 | |
14:53 | year | |
14:53 | nengard | :( |
14:53 | kf_away | and issue 215 |
14:53 | nengard | we need a serials expert to give me a ton of samples!! |
14:54 | kf_away | I take it back |
14:54 | the example doesn't work too | |
14:55 | the years are right, but the issues start again after six instead of going on forever | |
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14:58 | margo | good morning, all |
14:58 | kf_away | hi margo |
14:58 | nengard: do you have an idea who I could ask about it? | |
14:58 | margo | does anyone know the status of partial payments? |
14:59 | wizzyrea | i know the accounts rewrite is underway |
14:59 | and that it includes that | |
14:59 | margo | i saw that, is it absurd to ask when it might be ready? |
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14:59 | wizzyrea | not absurd :) |
14:59 | margo | my circ person is anxious |
15:00 | we go live in august | |
15:00 | wizzyrea | we may want to ask later today, as that's when the folks working on it will pop in |
15:00 | margo | okay, i think it's too early, too |
15:00 | druthb | Hi, margo! :D |
15:00 | margo | hey ruth! |
15:00 | nengard | can back up what margo is saying ... her circ person is very concerned |
15:00 | kf_away :( no clue | |
15:00 | margo | thanks, nengard |
15:01 | * kf_away | nick |
15:01 | wizzyrea | my institution is pretty anxious for that one too |
15:01 | hdl | kf_away: tell mee what you need. Will try to send you what you need. |
15:01 | nengard | i have been trying for years to get some help on serials documentation - no luck |
15:01 | wizzyrea | so you're not alone :) |
15:01 | nengard | hdl++ |
15:01 | kf_away when you get that from hdl share the screenshots with me :) and I'll publish them | |
15:01 | margo | i'm glad i'm not alone :) here in the basement by myself |
15:01 | wizzyrea | (though we discovered that it was less important than we initially thought it might be) |
15:02 | (but it sure would be "nice to have") | |
15:02 | margo | wizzyrea, what do you mean "less important"? |
15:02 | wizzyrea | < live on koha for 3 years without it, and it's just in the "nice to have" column |
15:02 | not in the "omg must have it or else" column | |
15:02 | margo | so, no so much demand from patrons to partially pay? |
15:02 | wizzyrea | apparently no |
15:02 | or they just work around it using credits | |
15:02 | hdl | nengard: sorry about that. |
15:03 | margo | maybe i'll ask circ how much they really use it now... |
15:03 | wizzyrea | i don't doubt that they use it |
15:03 | and that they use it often | |
15:03 | because they likely do | |
15:04 | for us it wasn't a superhugeomg problem. | |
15:05 | margo | ok, thanks :) |
15:05 | kf_away | hdl: great! |
15:05 | phone call, give me a sec | |
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15:06 | slef | @marc 035 |
15:06 | huginn | slef: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8] |
15:08 | wizzyrea | margo: I just talked to one of my coworkers here, they work around it using manual credits, so that's an avenue that may be available to you |
15:08 | if the dev isn't done by your go-live | |
15:09 | please feel free to contact me if you need more info, I can give you the name of someone to contact at that library | |
15:09 | nengard | margo, that's how i showed it in training - the manual credit route |
15:09 | margo | wizzyrea: thanks, i appreciate it |
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15:10 | margo | nengard, now that you mention it i remember |
15:10 | nengard | i could do a tutorial video on that if you think it will be helpful |
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15:10 | nengard | margo there was so much crying that i think most people missed the fact that i gave you a way around it for now |
15:10 | margo | maybe, she's going to train her new workers later in the summer, we'll see where we are in awhile |
15:10 | lol, :( | |
15:11 | i think there was a lot missed, and i'm still not being spoken to, although i've gotten three emails this morning | |
15:12 | nengard, since you're here...she's looking at the desciption of charges on the patron fine page and when she goes to print only the name and accoutn number of the patron show up--not the charges | |
15:12 | * druthb | boggles a little bit at "not being spoken to." |
15:13 | nengard | print will only print the circ info - not the fine info |
15:13 | so if the patron didn't check anything out today that's why the slip doesn't have anything on it | |
15:13 | margo | druthb, but you've met her |
15:13 | nengard | to print fines, there is a link next to each fine line for printing |
15:13 | let me find that part of the manual for you | |
15:14 | http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#patronfines | |
15:14 | margo | nengard, well, now that you point it out, i see the "print" link |
15:14 | druthb | yah, margo, and it still seems so out-of-character; she was always just so darn awesome to me, Before. |
15:14 | nengard | there is a bug report on this topic - that you can only print one line at a time |
15:14 | i can find that too | |
15:14 | margo | i'm obviously too sleepy to be working today |
15:14 | nengard | bug 5655 |
15:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5655 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , printing of fines should support more than one line |
15:14 | margo | nengard, that's okay, i'll show her how to print screen |
15:15 | nengard | or bug 1232 |
15:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1232 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add Invoice/Credit/Fines Payed For Day on Issues (Print Page) (Print Slip) |
15:15 | nengard | not sure why that says patch sent though ... |
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15:30 | kf_away | nengard: once I figure it out I will share :) |
15:30 | or once hdl figures it out... I hope he does | |
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15:31 | nengard | awesome |
15:32 | hdl | Will try that tonight. |
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15:42 | margod | nengard, vicki (cataloger, remember her?:)) just emailed me asking about the "step by step cataloging outline" (her words, i recall it being more of a workflow document) |
15:42 | you said you would create for her | |
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15:43 | wizzyrea | boy I wish bz would allow you to set the importance/patch status when you added your attachment. |
15:43 | kf_away | me too |
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15:44 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6323> |
15:46 | kf_away | ok, time to leave, talk to you later |
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15:49 | nengard | wizzyrea i agree!! |
15:49 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
15:49 | nengard | annoying to have to update a bug report multiple times |
15:50 | wizzyrea | it lets you take assignment there... |
15:50 | * wizzyrea | mutters |
15:51 | nengard | it does? I missed that (will look for it next time i attach) |
15:52 | wizzyrea | it's at the very bottom of the form |
15:54 | nengard | wizzyrea - how can i force an attach to fail? |
15:54 | just use a wrong barcode? | |
15:54 | testing your patch now | |
15:54 | wizzyrea | yep |
15:54 | nengard | k |
15:54 | wizzyrea | fasdfasdfasdf works well :P |
15:54 | :) | |
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15:55 | * wizzyrea | reminds herself to add that kind of stuff next time |
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16:50 | indradg | does changing the dateformat clear away the holiday calendar entries? |
16:51 | nengard, ^ | |
16:51 | oleonard | Changing the dateformat system preference will not remove calendar entries |
16:51 | indradg | oleonard, hmmm.... |
16:51 | nengard | i don't think so |
16:53 | indradg | oleonard, how is the sorting happening for the holiday list table? the date sorting is totally wrong (asc string style sort) when using dd/mm/yyyy (which is the default in india) |
16:55 | wizzyrea | ok, I have a problem that I need input on |
16:56 | oleonard | indradg: If you file a bug I'll work on a fix |
16:58 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/uGu7M1vIA8 |
17:01 | oleonard | wizzyrea: It would certainly be better to have it do an interactive merge with the found record |
17:02 | indradg | oleonard, it appears to be an outstanding issue from Nov 2009 - http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3806 |
17:02 | huginn | 04Bug 3806: minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Holidays table doesn't order by date correcly |
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17:05 | oleonard | indradg: I removed the patch-sent status and reassigned to myself |
17:06 | indradg | oleonard, ++ :) |
17:06 | just saw | |
17:06 | wizzyrea | it's not even that so much as it's not clear what exactly it's doing |
17:07 | and the button looks identical to the others, I think people would expect similar functionality | |
17:07 | not even that I think so... I've seen it in action | |
17:07 | oleonard | indradg: There is a standard way of handling that kind of date sorting so hopefully it'll be easy to fix |
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17:07 | * cait | waves |
17:09 | indradg | hi cait |
17:09 | cait | hi indradg |
17:11 | wizzyrea | i'm trying to think of a label for that button, or something to add to the workflow to help indicate what it does |
17:12 | * jcamins | suggests "Awesome!" |
17:12 | wizzyrea | lol |
17:12 | :) | |
17:12 | indradg | ok! dumb question time... where exactly is category_type & its values A / C / S etc stored / defined? |
17:12 | jcamins | Actually, I think we need one of those on every page. |
17:12 | wizzyrea | it automatically sends an email to the list "Koha has delighted me today, thanks for your effort" |
17:13 | "love, <name of library catalog> | |
17:13 | " | |
17:13 | do note the lack of a "this sucks" button :P | |
17:14 | indradg: I don't believe they're editable, I *think* those are hard coded -- so it's probably somewhere in C4 | |
17:15 | indradg | wizzyrea, you be right - lib/C4/Category.pm:=head3 $category->category_type |
17:15 | wizzyrea | yay ^.^ |
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17:23 | nengard | got a pic from my hubby who has my girl with him at work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/n[…]36/in/photostream |
17:25 | indradg | nengard, is she a collie or a husky? |
17:25 | nengard | a sheltie |
17:25 | an 18lb shetland sheedog | |
17:25 | indradg | aah |
17:25 | nengard | sheepdog |
17:26 | she's on his desk at work ... a husky might break the desk :) | |
17:26 | indradg | my wife is extremely fond of huskies... but it would be cruel to try and bring one to india |
17:27 | heh... i can imagine... | |
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17:54 | nengard | my dad has a husky |
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18:48 | oleonard | Should 005 be updated whenever a MARC record is edited? |
18:48 | rangi | there was a patch to do just that |
18:49 | oleonard | I was just noticing that the field in the editor updates if you click in it and wondered if it should do so without user interaction. |
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18:49 | oleonard | So it's happening in the background now either way? |
18:49 | druthb | Hi, magnuse! |
18:50 | magnuse | hiya druthb and #koha |
18:50 | rangi | oleonard: cant recall if that was signed off and pushed |
18:50 | magnuse | heh, that's one relaxed doggie ;-) |
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18:51 | oleonard | Yeah, seems to have been rangi |
18:51 | I see that 005 is being udpated without user interaction | |
18:52 | hdl | oleonard: are you talking about authorities ? |
18:52 | oleonard | hdl: No, regular biblios |
18:53 | The onsubmit validation routine should probably trigger that auto-population js so that the user doesn't get a warning in case that field is empty | |
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18:54 | hdl | ok. |
18:55 | rangi | oleonard: good idea |
18:56 | nengard | magnuse,she's used to going to work now :) |
18:59 | magnuse | nengard: good for her! ;-) |
18:59 | nengard | yup |
19:04 | cait | himagnuse :) |
19:04 | how was training? | |
19:06 | magnuse | not to bad, i think |
19:07 | considere these were teacher-librarians with little training and little time for their libraries... | |
19:07 | s/considere/considering/ | |
19:08 | rhcl | ping wizzyrea: watcha doing? |
19:08 | wizzyrea | nuttin |
19:08 | rhcl | wanna chat about libki? |
19:08 | wizzyrea | sure |
19:08 | rhcl | maybe we should go off channel? #libki ?? |
19:08 | cait | magnuse: what did you do today, circ? |
19:09 | oleonard | Not much happening around here rhcl |
19:09 | magnuse | cait: opac, patrons, circ, simple cataloguing |
19:10 | wizzyrea | sure |
19:11 | * jcamins | curses bug 5958. |
19:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu |
19:11 | * cait | agrees |
19:14 | oleonard | Is that a zebra issue? |
19:15 | rangi | highly unlikely |
19:15 | most likely zebra is doing exactly what we tell it to do | |
19:15 | and we are telling it do dumb things | |
19:15 | * oleonard | shakes his fist at obedient zebra |
19:16 | jcamins | oleonard: having looked at Search.pm, and record.abs, I think probably it's a stupid issue. |
19:16 | rangi | that seems to be the root of most of the search issues |
19:16 | * rangi | goes to make breakfast bbiab |
19:19 | cait | jcamins: run |
19:20 | you are in danger - someone will suggest rewriting Search.pm soon ;) | |
19:20 | jcamins | cait: what, again? |
19:21 | cait | hm? |
19:21 | jcamins | cait: someone's going to suggest it again? |
19:21 | cait | yep, but youmight get volunteered |
19:21 | :) | |
19:25 | rhcl | anybody have any comments on using a local server vs. a distributed database for something like a public access control system? |
19:25 | jcamins | A what? |
19:25 | oleonard | Define distributed database? |
19:25 | jcamins | And public access control system. |
19:28 | wizzyrea | a la envisionware |
19:28 | jcamins | Ah. |
19:28 | wizzyrea | patron computer control |
19:28 | jcamins | Got it. |
19:28 | Oh. | |
19:28 | hdl: thanks for pointing that out. | |
19:28 | hdl | jcamins: what ? |
19:29 | jcamins | Aren't you dev_patchesbiblibre.com? |
19:29 | The comment on bug 5958. | |
19:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu |
19:29 | hdl | I am. |
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19:30 | hdl | But this is just mentioning a workaround. And a deep bug we have been struggling with for some time... before deciding to just switch to solr. |
19:30 | jcamins | hdl: yes, but you just saved me spending hours only to have the Availability limit still be useful. |
19:31 | hdl | jcamins: if you knew how hard we tried and how many things we tried... |
19:32 | jcamins | hdl: just think how many things I now know *not* to try. |
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19:33 | magnuse | sharing++ |
19:33 | hdl | there is one solution we have not tried... Adding some new inner subfield which would record 0 1 that would define availability... ... But then again, availability needs to be defined. |
19:34 | You could take a look at the Search::Plugin::Availability.pm we did for solr. | |
19:34 | as a first step | |
19:34 | jcamins | Hm. |
19:35 | Pity this isn't easier. | |
19:35 | Incidentally... | |
19:35 | DOM++ # I could do this with DOM | |
19:36 | indradg | hdl, thanks for the prod in the direction of IntranetUserJS this morning (my time)... my use-case of conditionally switching on | off ExtendedPatronAttributes is working very nicely with jQuery :) |
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19:39 | hdl | jcamins: we could have done many things with DOM... But so hard to edit and play with and adapt to user requirements. |
19:40 | indradg: you're welcome | |
19:45 | indradg | :) |
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20:04 | jcamins | hdl: how do you do RPN queries? |
20:04 | cql=? | |
20:04 | cait | rpn? |
20:04 | wahanui | well, rpn is worse than RPG |
20:04 | hdl | pqf= |
20:05 | oleonard | Always helpful, wahanui |
20:05 | wahanui | oleonard: i'm not following you... |
20:05 | jcamins | hdl: thanks. |
20:05 | hdl | But that is not passed from one page to another. |
20:05 | rhcl | I wonder if RPG is easier in Hindi than English? |
20:05 | hdl | well i saw some problems with that. |
20:06 | RPG = Role Playing Games .... ahhh nostlagy D&D | |
20:07 | rhcl | well, I was thinking Report Program Generator :) |
20:08 | which is right-justified, and as I understand it, Hindi is written right-to-left. But probably best to disregard, just my casual thoughts of little importance. :) | |
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20:10 | hdl | rangi: around ? how have you passed authentications through the circulation module when you made circulation module work with Plack ? |
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20:10 | rangi | sorry? |
20:11 | sessions and cookies | |
20:11 | hdl | rangi: you told me that you had used Plack for circulation. |
20:11 | rangi | yes |
20:11 | I didn't change anything | |
20:11 | just ngnix in front | |
20:12 | passing requests to either plack or apache | |
20:12 | same cookies/sessions shared by both | |
20:12 | hdl | I am testing that on the catalogue part. and apache is loosing the authentication. |
20:13 | rangi | hmm I didn't run into that |
20:13 | how are u storing sessions? | |
20:13 | jcamins | cait++ |
20:14 | cait | magnuse++ |
20:14 | rangi | mysql? |
20:14 | wahanui | i think mysql is currently limited to 100MB of RAM. |
20:14 | cait | for being very patient |
20:14 | hdl | no special storing for sessions. |
20:14 | rangi | right but mysql or memcached eh? |
20:14 | magnuse | cait++ # for sharing |
20:14 | rangi | not temp files? |
20:14 | hdl | no. |
20:15 | rangi | and the cookie is being set in the browser? |
20:15 | hdl | That could be the problem. |
20:15 | Yes. | |
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20:16 | rangi | if temp files could be permissions |
20:16 | id switch to memcached if you are running 3.4 | |
20:16 | much faster anyway | |
20:16 | hdl | but the cookie is lost. |
20:16 | rangi | or mysql if not |
20:16 | ahhh | |
20:17 | so something is deleting the cookie? hmm | |
20:17 | hdl | ok. I wanted to know how you did. |
20:17 | rangi | not at my computer at the mo, but I certainly dont remember running into this, weird |
20:17 | hdl | You did something differet. |
20:18 | But ok. | |
20:18 | rangi | didn't do anything special |
20:18 | hdl | thanks anyway |
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20:18 | rangi | np ill check when I get to work |
20:19 | and email if I find anything | |
20:19 | but its not ringing any bells | |
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20:19 | rangi | one guess is different cookie domains? |
20:20 | * rangi | makes things up |
20:21 | rangi | ok time for some cuban coffee bbiab |
20:26 | cait | hm |
20:26 | is there a trick I could use to make git accept the patch attached to bug 5260? | |
20:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5260 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email |
20:28 | cait | lookin gat the fle names probably not |
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20:30 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5260] It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5260> |
20:33 | rangi | back |
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20:33 | cait | hm |
20:33 | it lookslike it still could work, but I have problems finding the right place for thecode in the files | |
20:34 | rangi | looking now cait |
20:34 | cait | cool - thx rangi |
20:35 | rangi | what a cool feature |
20:36 | cait: thats a diff, not a git diff | |
20:36 | cait | yep |
20:36 | rangi | if you give me a few mins ill try to reformat it into a git patch |
20:36 | cait | :) |
20:36 | rangi: thx! | |
20:37 | rangi | note the word try :) |
20:37 | cait | I promised the author to test it along time ago :( and I hope I can perhaps make it work |
20:38 | rangi | heres how im going to do it, i will check out an old version of koha, from about sept 2010 |
20:39 | try to apply the patch | |
20:39 | cait | I tried to apply it to a new branch, but it told me unknown format |
20:39 | rangi | commit it, try to cherry pick to master, fix the tmpl to tt and make a patch |
20:39 | you can use git am | |
20:39 | but patch | |
20:39 | cait | Patch format detection failed. |
20:40 | rangi | patch -p1 < filename |
20:40 | or p0 | |
20:40 | thats what i am going to attempt anyway :) | |
20:40 | cait | git patch -p1 < filename? |
20:40 | rangi | no |
20:41 | no git | |
20:41 | its not a git patch, but a standard unix patch file | |
20:41 | (it wont apply on master, its out of date) | |
20:42 | do you want me to note here exactly what i am trying? | |
20:43 | magnuse | we could put it on the wiki if it works... |
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20:45 | rangi | so heres what i did |
20:45 | git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-29" master` | |
20:45 | that gets me the first commit before that day | |
20:46 | im in detached mode, so any changes i make will be lost | |
20:46 | but thats ok, i can check out a real branch if it works | |
20:46 | cait | sorry, was brushing my teeth - back and reading now |
20:46 | detached mode? | |
20:47 | rangi | ive not on a branch, i just checked out a single point in time, but didnt make a branch |
20:47 | i do that when im doing things that im not sure will work | |
20:47 | patch faild | |
20:48 | patch -p1 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653 | |
20:48 | patching file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl | |
20:48 | Hunk #1 FAILED at 248. | |
20:48 | Hunk #2 FAILED at 383. | |
20:48 | 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl.rej | |
20:48 | etc | |
20:48 | so i now looked at the patch more closely | |
20:48 | --- ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl.orig2010-09-17 11:17:09.000000000 +0200 | |
20:48 | right, so ill try a copy of that file from before the 17th | |
20:49 | still fail | |
20:49 | so now im wondering .. was it on 3.0.x branch | |
20:49 | trying that | |
20:50 | no joy there either | |
20:51 | cait | oh :( |
20:51 | rangi | ah ha |
20:51 | i have discovered the problem | |
20:51 | /intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl | |
20:51 | duh | |
20:51 | cait | it should be at lest 3.2 because we didn't have basketgroups before that |
20:51 | rangi | the paths are all wrong |
20:52 | the path was generated from out of the installed tree | |
20:52 | right, will checkout master from that date | |
20:52 | and try editing the paths by hand | |
20:53 | have about 20 more mins before i have to start work, its a race :) | |
20:53 | * wizzyrea | cheers rangi on |
20:53 | rangi | that worked |
20:53 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
20:54 | rangi | so what i did was |
20:54 | ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl becomes ./acqui/basketgroup.pl | |
20:54 | etc | |
20:55 | git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-17" master` | |
20:56 | edit the patch | |
20:56 | rorohiko:[git/29d17ca...-]:~/git/koha% patch -p0 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653 | |
20:56 | patching file ./acqui/basketgroup.pl | |
20:56 | Hunk #1 succeeded at 247 (offset -1 lines). | |
20:56 | Hunk #2 succeeded at 547 with fuzz 1 (offset -1 lines). | |
20:56 | patching file ./tools/letter.pl | |
20:56 | patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/acq.js | |
20:56 | patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/basketgroup.tmpl | |
20:56 | patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/letter.tmpl | |
20:56 | success | |
20:56 | 5260 | |
20:57 | now i have a git commit | |
20:57 | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]70df78950a9527e73 | |
20:58 | phase 2, get it to a shape that could apply to master | |
20:59 | git checkout -b rebaseing_5260 kc/master | |
20:59 | git cherry-pick 98155fdd4f64bf172a7c8b570df78950a9527e73 | |
20:59 | conflicts kabloom (as expected) | |
21:00 | im going to reformat as 2 patches, first one just the .pl changes | |
21:00 | second patch the .tt ones | |
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21:01 | cait | wow |
21:01 | rangi++ for being so awesome | |
21:02 | and I got stuck at editing the first file... :) | |
21:02 | rangi | heh, its not awesome, its just practice i have to do this lots :) |
21:04 | running all the unit tests now | |
21:04 | aogle | Any good documentation on Sip2 and Koha? Attempting to understand it. |
21:05 | rhcl | the koha docs for sip really don't break out the process for conducting a sip query |
21:05 | cait | it's still awesome, even if you deny it :) |
21:05 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
21:05 | ;) | |
21:06 | cait | wizzyrea: do you agree? |
21:06 | wizzyrea | yes, very |
21:06 | * magnuse | too |
21:10 | rhcl | wizzyrea: what are the two control characters at the end of a SIP query? one was a "\n" if i remember correctly, and there's another one which is .....? |
21:11 | wizzyrea | i bet that's in the IRC logs, rhcl |
21:11 | I don't remember | |
21:11 | sorry >.< | |
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21:12 | magnuse | g'night #koha |
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21:13 | cait | goo dnight magnuse |
21:14 | * cait | sees the first patch and cheers |
21:17 | rangi | now to do the tt one |
21:17 | (sorry got distracted by work hehe) | |
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21:20 | rangi | racing racing |
21:22 | rhcl | on this page: http://koha.org/documentation/[…]/sip2-integration - would it be useful to have a link for the compatable systems? |
21:22 | wizzyrea | no |
21:23 | because that site is not maintained. | |
21:23 | jcamins | More useful would be to have that in the manual. |
21:23 | rhcl | ah, dA**, didn't even notice that! |
21:23 | wizzyrea | there may be a place ion the wiki |
21:23 | in* | |
21:23 | rhcl | I was on the wrong site. Me sorry |
21:23 | wizzyrea | all good :) |
21:23 | jcamins | nengard looks forward to receiving your suggested revisions. :P |
21:23 | * wizzyrea | wishes rhcl luck with DocBook |
21:24 | wizzyrea | wait |
21:24 | that's discouraging | |
21:24 | strike that | |
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21:24 | jcamins | I think maybe we need some sort of "namespace" for itemnumbers and biblionumbers. |
21:24 | rangi | its not that hard, francois even figured it out |
21:24 | cait | thinking about that article? :) |
21:24 | rangi | (i can say that cos he isnt in at work yet :)) |
21:25 | wizzyrea | I readily encourage you to explore DocBook, for the good of yourself and that of the community |
21:25 | rangi | (did you all note that francois set a patch for the manual, with his patches for the code!) |
21:25 | wizzyrea | :D |
21:25 | that *is* pretty epic | |
21:25 | not many do that | |
21:25 | cait | probably the first one ever |
21:25 | * jcamins | just tells nengard what to write. |
21:25 | wizzyrea | does he have an IRC nick we can give karma to? :P |
21:25 | * jcamins | loathes Docbook with the strength of a thousand suns. |
21:26 | rangi | fmarier++ |
21:26 | cait | fmarier++ |
21:26 | jcamins | fmarier++ |
21:26 | cait | rangi: patch applied ; |
21:26 | ) | |
21:26 | wizzyrea | fmarier++ |
21:27 | cait | wizzyrea: I like that song from your tweet |
21:27 | wizzyrea | I know! |
21:27 | * wizzyrea | points at rangi |
21:27 | wizzyrea | it's his fault |
21:27 | cait | a lot of things are his fault :) |
21:28 | rangi | patch 2 done |
21:28 | cait | thx a lot rangi! |
21:28 | rangi++ | |
21:31 | ah | |
21:31 | it broke letter.pl | |
21:31 | trying to figure it out | |
21:31 | unhappy about that: Global symbol "@SQLfieldname" | |
21:32 | rangi | i didnt promise it would work :-) |
21:33 | cait | nope |
21:33 | but you gave me something to work with :) | |
21:33 | rangi | +eval "use Mail::Sendmail"; |
21:33 | i dont like this stuff either | |
21:34 | cait | hint? |
21:34 | rangi | :) |
21:35 | cait | is it really bad or only at the wrong place? |
21:36 | rangi | wrong place, but i wouldnt fail the patch on that, because it is just following the trend set by the rest of the script |
21:37 | i think letter.pl will need some work though | |
21:37 | rhcl | SIP anybody? A SIP query contains a field like "6300120110509", which is "6300" + a DTG (date time group). What is the 6300? Just a field/packet header? |
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21:37 | Space_Librarian | morning #koha :) |
21:38 | rangi | not sure it needs the SQLfieldname ifs at all |
21:38 | or if its just missing a my @SQLfieldname | |
21:38 | cait | I was wondering about that |
21:39 | but it seems he only added one more to a bunch of constructs like these | |
21:39 | rangi | hmm no he added them all |
21:39 | actually its not used | |
21:40 | cait | the my line fixed it |
21:40 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=4067 |
21:40 | jcamins | Good night, #koha |
21:40 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_away | |
21:40 | rangi | yeah it will, but they arent actually used |
21:40 | so we could just take them out | |
21:40 | ie it sets @SQLfieldname | |
21:40 | but then does nothing with it | |
21:41 | cait | ah |
21:41 | so I will kill i | |
21:41 | t | |
21:41 | rangi | yeah |
21:41 | if you look at the bottom of that patch | |
21:41 | cait | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=2653 |
21:42 | there I only see the orders part | |
21:42 | rangi | yep, he added it to a thing that has since been removed, so that was the conflict |
21:42 | cait | makes sense |
21:43 | rangi | so id take them out, since they arent being used by anything |
21:43 | cait | I see galen's commit did it |
21:50 | ok, fixed it (I hope) - notice is added, now going to order something :) | |
21:50 | rangi | :) |
21:51 | cait | ok |
21:51 | checking message_queue... exciting | |
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21:53 | cait | not in there :( |
22:01 | ah | |
22:01 | * cait | is still investigating but had the wrong name for her letter |
22:01 | cait | ordermail not orderemail |
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22:08 | cait | hi Irma :) |
22:10 | Irma | Hi cait ... G'day from downunder! |
22:11 | cait | Greetings from the other side :) |
22:12 | eythian | spooky! |
22:13 | * Irma | away answering the phone |
22:14 | cait | hi eythian :) |
22:14 | bug? | |
22:14 | wahanui | hmmm... bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet. |
22:14 | * cait | hides |
22:14 | cait | wahanui++ |
22:14 | eythian | cait: in the middle of a dual migration at present...:) |
22:14 | cait | excuses... |
22:14 | wahanui | cait: IRQ dropout |
22:15 | cait | and just that you know, i saw that! germ? |
22:15 | eythian | hah |
22:15 | hehe | |
22:15 | wahanui: germs? | |
22:15 | wahanui | germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
22:15 | Space_Librarian | lol |
22:15 | eythian | cool points to anyone who knows the reference (without searching) |
22:19 | I guess no one is cool enough for cool points... | |
22:19 | rhcl | so you're going to enlighten us? |
22:20 | eythian | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9160eN69mM <-- rhcl, cait |
22:22 | cait | ! |
22:22 | rhcl | ahhhh! Poor subject that Ashley! |
22:23 | gross | |
22:23 | eythian | quite |
22:40 | cait | rangi: seems it didn't work because I can't send mails directly - I made it go into message_queue now to see how the mails look like |
22:40 | rangi: I think it still needs some tweaking, but perhaps I can figure it out :) | |
22:41 | ok, I have an entry in my message queue - time to sleep | |
22:43 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
22:44 | cait | bye all |
22:46 | aogle | wizzyrea, Just wanted to let you know. I did finally get SIP2 / koha by writing a python script. |
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