IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-04

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01:20 gmcharlt bouncy hotel wireless
01:21 rangi yeah
01:21 so i have a guy at work who an xml/xpath/xslt/stuff with x in it guru
01:22 who is going to do some work optimising our xslt files for speed
01:22 gmcharlt cool
01:22 rangi do you have any chunky/fairly complete marcxml files he can use for testing MARC21
01:22 ?
01:23 im sure i can hunt some down, just thought id ask
01:23 gmcharlt rangi: as much as you want
01:23 how many records?
01:24 rangi 100 would be plenty
01:24 gmcharlt so few? ;)
01:24 sec
01:25 rangi cool
01:36 gmcharlt rangi: http://librarypolice.com/~gmc/sample_bib.xml
01:36 rangi yay thanks
01:49 im working on bug 6296 at the moment
01:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates
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02:50 mtj bg:  you should use an irc-proxy -  if your roam, or your net is bouncy
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03:19 AmitG heya chris
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03:21 rangi hi AmitG
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03:21 druthb bg isn't on his computer; he's sitting here with me.
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03:28 rangi ahh
03:29 druthb: get larryb to set him up a bip setup ;-)
03:35 * druthb ain't-a gonna add anything to larryb's list right now.  he's a busy boy.
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03:43 bg hi there sorry for bouncing so much
03:43 * bg :p
03:43 rangi s'ok
03:44 remind me to set you up bip when im over there though :-)
03:44 bg rangi++
03:44 what you don't like watching me bounce around :)
03:44 * bg needs to lay off the red bull
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03:45 bg hi
03:45 wahanui hey, bg
03:45 bg rangi++
03:45 what you don't like watching me bounce around
03:45 bg needs to lay off the red bull
03:46 druthb wahanui: bg?
03:46 wahanui bg is awesome!
03:46 bg wahanui: druthb?
03:46 wahanui it has been said that druthb is lighting-talking about this channel
03:46 druthb wahanui: forget druthb
03:46 wahanui druthb: I forgot druthb
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04:02 druthb @karma druthb
04:02 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 91 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 91.
04:02 druthb yoiks
04:03 @karma sekjal
04:03 huginn druthb: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 92 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 91.
04:04 druthb he's uncatchable!
04:05 * Space_Librarian waves at druthb
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04:05 Space_Librarian How was your fantastic talk?
04:06 eythian druthb: ah yes. It wasn't videoed, perchance?
04:06 druthb not that I am aware of, eythian.
04:06 eythian bummer, I would like to have seen it.
04:07 druthb Space_Librarian: it went way, way better than I would have thought possible.
04:07 Space_Librarian told ya!
04:07 :)
04:07 sekjal druthb++
04:07 Space_Librarian druthb ++
04:09 * druthb bows humbly
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04:15 rangi http://www.softwarefreedom.org[…]orate-Entanglemt/
04:15 very interesting talk
04:16 (richard fontana is legal counsel at redhat, used to be at software freedom law centre)
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06:11 NurAhammad I have to add  a logo in my opac
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07:22 kf morning
07:24 snail evening
07:28 kf hi snail
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07:46 rangi hi all
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07:55 kf hi rangi
07:55 * kf sends rangi cookies
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07:57 rangi thanks kf
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08:18 kf my ubuntu is broken again. hmpf.
08:18 grub> ...
08:31 AmitG heya kf ;)
08:31 kf hi AmitG
08:35 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
08:35 rangi heya magnuse
08:35 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
08:36 rangi heh
08:36 magnuse kia ora rangi
08:36 ...and #koha
08:36 kf hi magnus
08:36 e
08:36 magnuse guten tag kf
08:41 i had a strange idea - i think it was just as i was waking up this morning
08:42 rangi kf: in bugzilla, do you see a saved search, passed qa ?
08:42 magnuse create a game in the intranet where librarians can see a random picture of a patron and guess the name from a list of say 5 names from the database of patrons...
08:42 rangi heheh
08:43 magnuse something to while away the hours on a quite late night shift in the library
08:43 rangi something kinda like that
08:43 was a random book thing
08:43 on the opac
08:43 hit a button and it takes you to a random record
08:44 magnuse yeah, that could be cool
08:44 or match keywords to book title
08:44 kf rangi: chekcing
08:44 rangi yeah
08:44 magnuse i hear gamification is going to be a big thing... ;-)
08:44 rangi :)
08:44 * snail looks forward to sequins...
08:44 rangi anything that leads people to find things they may never find in other ways
08:45 is good
08:45 kf no
08:45 rangi darn
08:45 magnuse rangi: yup!
08:45 * kf sniffs
08:46 magnuse i can see "failed qa"
08:46 rangi ive yet to figure out how to make a public saved search
08:47 magnuse i can see one from you rangi, a couple from kf etc
08:47 rangi and needs signoff?
08:47 magnuse yep
08:48 rangi how about now?
08:48 wahanui now is there a way I can delete everything item in bib and start from scratch?
08:48 kf now I see it :)
08:48 rangi cool
08:48 kf forget now
08:48 wahanui kf: I forgot now
08:48 rangi bug workflow?
08:49 bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow
08:49 bug workflow?
08:49 wahanui i think bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow
08:49 rangi there we go
08:49 magnuse yay
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08:59 mib_sun hi everybody
09:01 magnuse hiya mib_sun
09:04 mib_sun I am struggling with a problem in adding authority records and bibliographic files in koha
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09:04 mib_sun Could someone help me??
09:08 magnuse "Recent Updates to the EU Associates Operating Agreement" https://affiliate-program.amaz[…]o/whatschangedmay
09:08 kf my ubuntu is alive!
09:08 magnuse kf: yay!!!
09:09 mib_sun: it's hard to tell if anyone can help you up front... ;-) if you describe the problem a little bit more you will see if anyone is able to respond
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09:18 kf oups
09:20 mib_sun kf: I am new to linux. where I had to run this command?
09:21 Is any option there in Koha interface to rebuild zebra?
09:28 kf no, not in the interface
09:28 which version are you using?
09:28 and do you use zebra?
09:28 mib_sun koha 3.02.06
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09:29 kf hi fmarier_ :)
09:30 mib_sun yes
09:30 rangi oh its fmarier_ :)
09:30 mib_sun i m using zebra
09:30 * fmarier_ waves
09:30 kf ok
09:30 and your search for normal bibliographic records works?
09:31 * fmarier_ is looking for the git repo where the koha-common packaging script come from
09:32 rangi ahh
09:32 its in the main repo
09:32 fmarier_ ah, that's far too simple!
09:32 rangi so git.koha-community.org
09:33 fmarier_ so simple i didn't even think of looking there :)
09:33 rangi :)
09:33 under debian/
09:33 fmarier_ yup, i've got it, it's under /home/francois/code/koha/debian/scripts/ :)
09:34 rangi build-git-snapshot
09:34 is what i use to build a package from a git checkout
09:34 you need pbuilder installed
09:34 but after that, it just works :)
09:36 mib_sun kf: search for normal bibliographic records also not working..
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09:36 kf how have you installed koha?
09:39 mib_sun I have used the package in the debian repository
09:40 kf hm. I am not sure how you have to do it with the packages
09:40 rangi which package, koha-common or koha?
09:41 mib_sun koha
09:42 rangi right, in that case you have to set up the cron jobs and zebra to run by yourself
09:42 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Debian#Everyone
09:42 see in the
09:42 Wait
09:42 bit
09:42 koha is similar, but provides a single site. At the moment however, this site can't be managed by the tools that come with the package, and so you will need to set up the cron jobs and zebra for it yourself. See bug 5071 for plans to fix this.
09:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work
09:46 magnuse what's the status of koha-common and languages other than english? i seem to remember there was an issue there?
09:46 rangi if you build the templates before you build the package, they install fine
09:47 otherwise you have to manually copy them into place
09:47 magnuse so i would have to build my own package?
09:48 rangi for now yes, the plan is to have koha-common
09:48 and then
09:48 koha-l8n-nb-no
09:48 or something similair
09:48 but again, time
09:48 :)
09:48 magnuse yeah, i know ;-)
09:49 so would koha-l8n-nb-no be a package or a command?
09:49 rangi a package
09:49 * magnuse is slightly confused...
09:49 magnuse ah, so there would have to be one package per language?
09:49 rangi there wouldnt have to be
09:49 but it makes sense for there to be
09:49 then you just install the ones you want
09:50 magnuse so if i want norwegian, danish and swedish i would install all three?
09:50 rangi yep
09:51 magnuse would i first install koha-common and then the "language packages"?
09:51 i wish i could take a week "off" and just figure all that stuff out...
09:52 rangi sudo apt-get install koha-common koha-l8n-se koha-l8n-dk
09:52 etc
09:52 magnuse ah yeah, cool
09:52 rangi then you can apt-get upgrade to get updated translations
09:52 magnuse and koha-common would be the "base package" and koha-l8n-dk would just be a language "addon"?
09:53 rangi yup
09:53 koha-common already is the base
09:53 magnuse sure
09:53 rangi but potentially we could move more out
09:53 apt-get install koha-common koha-normarc
09:53 magnuse hehe
09:53 rangi or koha-common koha-marc21
09:54 not sure we will go that fa :)
09:54 far even
09:54 magnuse heh
09:54 rangi probably just koha-common and then localisation packs
09:54 magnuse sounds like a good start
09:55 i'm thinking of using the packages for my ordinary hosting of course, but also for offering free koha installs hosted by me to nordic library people, for personal use
09:55 rangi yeah with koha-common thats very easy
09:56 koha-create koha_for_my_friend
09:56 :)
09:56 magnuse yup
09:56 or koha-create koha_for_a_potential_future_customer :-)
09:56 rangi :)
09:57 when eythian was in the solomons he trained some people there how to do it
09:57 and now they are hosting kohas for others :)
09:57 magnuse cool!
09:58 is there anything you could recommend to read up on to get a better understanding of how the packaging "thing" works?
09:59 not the koha packages as such, but the debian packaging "system"?
09:59 rangi fmarier_ might have an idea
09:59 i just ask him, or liw :)
09:59 * rangi is spoilt
10:00 magnuse hehe
10:00 that's what friends are for ;-)
10:00 i could try googling around a bit, just wondered if there was any recommended sources
10:01 liw http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is based on a tutorial I gave to Debian-Women last year, and I've been told it's not entirely bad
10:01 rangi http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDe[…]_Debian_Packaging
10:01 lol
10:02 magnuse wow, great minds think alike! ;-)
10:02 rangi my google fu is weak
10:02 :)
10:03 liw gave a great tutorial session at catalyst, so im sure its great
10:03 magnuse i'll definitely have a look, thanks folks!
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10:12 fmarier_ liw's intro looks really good
10:12 liw thank you
10:14 magnuse maint-guide looks like a logical next step? http://www.debian.org/doc/deve[…]nuals#maint-guide
10:14 fmarier_ magnuse: that's what I started with, back in the days
10:14 liw magnuse, yep
10:15 magnuse, also, debian-mentors@ and #debian-mentors (or so I'm told, I've never followed those myself)
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10:15 magnuse cool, thanks - i'll start with the intro though
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10:29 fmarier_ it looks like the koha wiki cannot send emails out
10:29 rangi ah yeah need to talk with galen about that
10:29 fmarier_ i tried with my gmail and catalyst email accounts and cannot get the confirmation email
10:29 * fmarier_ cannot contribute to the wiki :(
10:30 rangi :( ill try to catch gmcharlt tomorrow
10:36 peopel were spamming through it
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10:43 kmkale Namaskar #koha
10:43 magnuse hiya kmkale
10:44 kmkale Namaste magnuse
10:44 magnuse so do namaskar and namaste mean different things, or are they interchangable?
10:45 kmkale Interchangeable but when addressing a particular individual namaste
10:46 is better. But Namaskar is also good
10:46 SpaceLibrarian_home fmarier_: I've had the same problem, used both gmail and catalyst... seems to be fairly widespread...
10:47 namaste kmkale
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10:47 kmkale namaste SpaceLibrarian_home
10:47 :)
10:47 SpaceLibrarian_home :)
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10:47 magnuse i'll try to remember that kmkale ;-)
10:48 kmkale magnuse: to help you understand the pronounciation a bit better it should be spelled Namaskaar and Nanaste \
10:48 :)
10:49 magnuse cool
10:51 rangi @later tell gmcharlt i think we need to figure out a new plan for the mta on the wiki
10:51 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
10:52 SpaceLibrarian_home kmkale: the volunteer's meeting is in a few hours, yes?
10:53 kmkale yes SpaceLibrarian_home
10:53 SpaceLibrarian_home just setting my alarm...
10:53 kmkale in about three hours
10:53 so did I :)
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10:54 * kmkale doesn't have much to discuss :(
10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home is there much?
10:54 kmkale Paper Submission Process
10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home that's worth getting up for...
10:55 gmcharlt morning
10:55 kmkale Adding a couple of items to the agenda as we speek
10:56 Namaste gmcharlt
10:56 SpaceLibrarian_home morning gmcharlt
10:56 rangi: I may be in a little later tomorrow...
10:58 right. be back in a few hours. :)
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11:06 rangi right sleep time i think
11:06 night all
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11:07 gmcharlt g'night rangi
11:08 jcamins Night.
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11:20 kf hm
11:21 someone working with sounds on in circulation?
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11:24 kmkale Namaste kf :)
11:24 gmcharlt kf: I've used circ sounds, what's up?
11:24 kf ah, had a library asking for it
11:25 they asked if it iwll make a sound when they try to checkout a not for loan item or return a book with a hold
11:25 and first it didn't work for me, but it was a problem with my computr
11:25 and now it beeps a lot
11:25 not only for errors
11:25 gmcharlt right
11:26 it's meant to signal that Koha has received a barcode scan
11:26 kf I found the bug - bug 1080
11:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1080 enhancement, P2, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, How about telling the template to make a noise on circulation errors?
11:26 kf I was not sure if there were different soudns perhaps
11:27 testing a little now :)
11:27 gmcharlt yeah, I think there are different sounds
11:27 * gmcharlt is running away to board an airplane
11:27 kf oh, yes
11:27 it does :)
11:27 thx gmcharlt
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11:31 Oak \o
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11:36 conan good morning all
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12:16 kmkale @quote random
12:16 huginn kmkale: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
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12:20 kf hi kmkale and conan
12:21 @quote random
12:21 huginn kf: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009)
12:21 * kmkale waves at kf
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12:22 oleonard Hi fmarier_
12:23 fmarier_ hi oleonard :)
12:23 magnuse: i just saw this on Debian Planet: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=676
12:23 ^^^ someone just released their Debian packaging tutorial
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12:24 druthb o/
12:25 magnuse fmarier_: wow, thanks for the tip! ;-)
12:26 fmarier_ no worries. i thought i should send you the link before i go to bed otherwise i won't remember in the morning :)
12:26 magnuse hehe
12:27 fmarier_ anyways, have a good day, I'm signing off
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12:31 druthb Three kmkales!  woooooo!
12:34 kf oleonard: around?
12:34 oleonard Yes
12:34 kf I see the mail on the list - place on reserve - possible he uses not the en language pack?
12:34 I think we killed all reserves
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12:34 kf if he hwas not updated the template files after updating koha this could lead to strange problems
12:35 oleonard kf: True.
12:36 His template would have to be very old to have that link say "reserve" though
12:36 I see it also says "Catalogue"
12:37 More curious is the second screenshot
12:37 http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]713/reserve_2.jpg
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12:37 kf oh yes
12:37 had not seen the second one
12:37 that looks strange
12:37 oleonard The URL shows a biblionumber but no title appears, and no items
12:38 kf it also says reservation and the table looks all wrong
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12:44 druthb Will the real kmkale please stand up?
12:45 kf now they all are hiding
12:46 oleonard: and 2 call number columns?
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13:30 magnuse nengard: this page needs an update: http://koha-community.org/koha-videos-online/ not sure what the best source for videos is these days?
13:31 nengard youtube got rid of the groups
13:31 magnuse oops, guess that's post, not a page... never mind...
13:31 nengard so the best thing to do i guess is  just search for koha on youtube :(
13:31 not ideal at all
13:31 magnuse yeah, i remember...
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13:31 nengard youtube said that groups were coming back ... but i haven't seen anything like that happening
13:32 there is the bywater chanel on blip.tv that has all of my tutorial videos, but that's just a fraction of what's out there
13:32 magnuse i think the new groups on youtube was "coming soon"...
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13:39 nengard magnuse it has been "coming soon" for a long time  now :)
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13:42 Brooke kia ora
13:45 kmkale hey Brooke
13:45 Brooke :)
13:45 magnuse kia ora Brook
13:45 e
13:45 Brooke 0/
13:51 ice cream for breakfast, mum would totally approve.
13:53 kmkale BRB
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13:54 * Brooke waves to SpaceLibrarian
13:54 hands her a flat white or 3.
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13:54 * SpaceLibrarian_home waves tiredly back
13:55 gratefully takes the coffee.
13:55 kmkale whats your local time SpaceLibrarian_home ?
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13:55 SpaceLibrarian_home See? I said I'd get up in the middle of the night for you guys. :) Just going 2am here
13:55 kmkale Wow
13:55 SpaceLibrarian_home yep
13:55 kmkale SpaceLibrarian_home:++
13:55 * Brooke zips the lip so she doesn't get in trouble.
13:56 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke: :p
13:56 kmkale Brooke: you wanna chair this?
13:57 Brooke oh gods.
13:57 yeah sure fine
13:57 #startmeeting
13:57 huginn Meeting started Wed May  4 14:00:05 2011 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
13:57 Brooke #topic introductions
13:57 prolly know who we are but go for it
13:58 kmkale kmkale: Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation, VPM Thane, Granthalaya.org
13:59 SpaceLibrarian_home Shelley Gurney, Catalyst IT, NZ
14:01 kmkale Thats it. Just the three of us here?
14:01 Brooke movin' on
14:01 #topic paper submission
14:02 SpaceLibrarian_home how are the numbers looking?
14:02 kmkale give me a min
14:03 i'll paste whats been submitted so far
14:04 pastebot "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 1" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/30
14:04 "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 2" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31
14:05 "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 3" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32
14:05 "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 4" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33
14:06 kmkale ok what do we do about these? Who does the reviewing?
14:06 Brooke get the abstracts to wrap properly first off XD
14:06 SpaceLibrarian_home like the abstract, Brooke
14:06 Brooke cheers
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14:07 * Brooke will clearly not be reviewing her own work.
14:07 kmkale :)
14:07 * SpaceLibrarian_home will review work that's not her pending submission.
14:07 SpaceLibrarian_home do we have guidelines?
14:07 * kmkale has no experience at this reviewing stuff
14:08 kmkale or shall we just ask everyone to send in the full presentation and then review it?
14:08 Brooke oof no
14:08 SpaceLibrarian_home nope
14:08 kmkale afterall can't get too much from the abstract
14:08 * Brooke points out that speakers are horrible procrastinators.
14:08 kmkale :)
14:08 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:08 kmkale present company included?
14:09 Brooke depends. Scarily usually not.
14:09 SpaceLibrarian_home what she said....
14:09 well, from here we can see there are *clearly* emeging themes here.
14:10 *r
14:11 kmkale Must say I like three out of these four one exception being "Optimising ICT Potentials for Integrating Africa in the Global Scientific Information Systems: A Case of Open Access Movement" can't see significant co-relation to Koha or Libraries
14:11 Brooke we've not had posters before
14:11 and that could be summat to keep in mind for stuff like taht
14:11 where it might not quite fit the mood
14:11 but might be interesting enough to give it a shot or slot
14:12 kmkale we will ask posters if we have too many papers
14:12 SpaceLibrarian_home the first one - info lit is *very* light on abscract content....
14:12 kmkale but till we have a full program lets keep posters in the wings
14:12 ok should I revert to them asking to beef it up?
14:12 Brooke aye
14:12 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:13 Brooke also aye
14:13 kmkale ok
14:13 SpaceLibrarian_home most conf abstracts I"ve been writing for ask for about 400 words. Gives you background, context and aim of talk.
14:13 May be a good idea here...
14:13 kmkale #action kmkale to ask for beefing up of the abstract from "INFORMATION LITERACY AND LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE" authors
14:14 good idea.
14:14 400 words
14:15 SpaceLibrarian_home it certainly forces you to think about your presentation...
14:15 kmkale should I put that as a requirement on the page for paper submissions?
14:15 SpaceLibrarian_home you may want to...
14:16 kmkale so minimum 200 words and max 400?
14:16 or minimum 400?
14:16 SpaceLibrarian_home mon 250, max 400
14:16 min*
14:16 * Brooke nods
14:17 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
14:17 Brooke 250 is the number all of those wicked, naughty grant reviewers ask for.
14:17 it's much easier to do 400.
14:17 kmkale ok. So I'll write to each of the 4 asking for beefed up abstracts shall I?
14:17 SpaceLibrarian_home yep
14:17 will make streaming them/evaluating them easier
14:18 kmkale ask for "background, context and aim of talk."
14:18 gmcharlt @quote random
14:18 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
14:18 kmkale I have been away a lot last month on unrelated projects but this month I intend to start following up with people individually for presentations
14:19 any candidates?
14:19 Brooke have we moved on to keynote then?
14:19 SpaceLibrarian_home do you have sponsorship available for a keynote?
14:19 kmkale no still talking about getting more papers
14:20 SpaceLibrarian_home right. I'm still needing to give you a list of conference alert sites, aren't I?
14:20 * SpaceLibrarian_home makes a note to send kmkale more conf lists in the morning.
14:21 kmkale sponsorship is again something I intend to do follow up of one on one this month
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14:21 kmkale we have INR 100000 from Bharat Grahak
14:21 Brooke oi
14:21 shall I change the topic?
14:22 SpaceLibrarian_home yep maybe.
14:22 Brooke #topic sponsorship
14:22 SpaceLibrarian_home so sponsorship. yes
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14:23 kmkale_ oops
14:23 bad net connection
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14:24 SpaceLibrarian_home 2.8k NZD/ 2.24kUSD
14:24 Brooke misplaced 0 or generous benefactor?
14:24 kmkale_ We have a commitment of INR 30000 from biblibre
14:24 and another commitment of INR 15000 from catalyst
14:24 that makes for about 145000 INR
14:24 we need about three times that amount
14:25 not counting in sponsorship for keynote
14:25 so gotta go after that too
14:25 * Brooke shamelessly points out that you're still missing Equinox, libriotech, and a host of others
14:25 SpaceLibrarian_home 3.2k USD
14:26 kmkale_ I have sent mails to *ALL* registered Koha suppport vendors on K-C site
14:26 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:26 kmkale_ now I'll follow up with then individually
14:26 also lining up some libraries and companies here in India
14:27 Have done initial mailing to done, but must do personal follow up to get money :)
14:28 Brooke: no its 100000INR they are a co-operative store
14:28 SpaceLibrarian_home lovely
14:28 Brooke realised that when you totted things up
14:28 way to go
14:29 kmkale_ what about keynote?
14:29 Brooke restaurants might not be a bad pull if you know
14:29 #topic keynote
14:29 SpaceLibrarian_home bookstores too
14:29 yes.
14:29 keynote. ideas?
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14:30 kmkale_ still here
14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home and will you have sponsorship for whomever?
14:30 kmkale_ SpaceLibrarian_home: not as of now
14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home hmmmm....
14:30 do you have an idea as to who to ask?
14:30 kmkale_ but yes if we get the targetted amount
14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home okay.
14:32 kmkale_ WHo did keynote last time in NZ?
14:32 Brooke Rosa
14:32 kmkale_ and before that?
14:32 Brooke Paul mebbe?
14:32 could have been Chris?
14:32 hang on I'll check
14:33 the welcome was listed as Chris and Paul
14:34 SpaceLibrarian_home I still think Jo would be fantastic.
14:35 kmkale_ We have one candidate in mind Dr ARD Prasad http://drtc.isibang.ac.in/DRTC/ardcv.html
14:35 Haven't contacted him yet though
14:35 Brooke who's he?
14:35 wahanui he is picky
14:36 gmcharlt wahanui: forget he
14:36 wahanui gmcharlt: I forgot he
14:36 SpaceLibrarian_home He's quite the academic lis heavyweight from the looks of things.
14:37 kmkale_ He is
14:37 a leading figure in LIS circles in India
14:37 SpaceLibrarian_home good idea.
14:38 gmcharlt kmkale_: does he know OSS?
14:38 kmkale_ Oh yes gmcharlt
14:38 gmcharlt cool
14:38 Brooke do we want a full on hardcore academic conference?
14:38 kmkale_ he keeps publishing a Koha livecd too
14:38 tcohen hi #koha
14:38 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke raises a good point
14:39 kmkale_ with DSPACE and more stuff clubbed in
14:39 tcohen have a question for librarians
14:39 kmkale_ keeps it upto date with the stable releases
14:39 tcohen there exists a list of Marc codes for relators
14:39 (at least for MARC21)
14:40 kmkale_ Brooke: do we want a full on hardcore academic conference? is a key question
14:40 * Brooke nods
14:40 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:40 kmkale_ cause VPM is an old academic institution
14:40 SpaceLibrarian_home because the way this is looking
14:40 it's shaping up to be a very academic library conf.
14:40 kmkale_ so we need to assert what kinda conference we want
14:40 tcohen is it reasonable that the $e field (e.g. for 700 field) be selected from a list of authorized values?
14:40 kmkale_ else it WILL be a full on academic conference
14:41 * Brooke rebels against the thought of that.
14:41 SpaceLibrarian_home it's heading in that direction, kmkale_
14:41 Brooke I <3 academic stuff, but I'd argue it's not a close fit to the community at large.
14:41 tcohen so we can treat it in the UI as needed ?
14:41 kmkale_ so Koha people better start cooming up with papers and presentations
14:41 Brooke I wouldn't oppose tracking that, though
14:41 SpaceLibrarian_home and you need to make it inclusive or you won't get the numbers
14:42 kmkale_ I want to a some good stuff on future features like from Brooke and some solid technical papers too
14:42 SpaceLibrarian_home The KohaConf needs to be getting more air time to get the papers.
14:42 kmkale_ air time? how?
14:42 SpaceLibrarian_home You'll be getting an abstract in the same vein as Brooke's from me in the next day or so.
14:42 Brooke close for papers is in like august though
14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home Close for papers should be moved earlier
14:43 especially for flights, etc
14:43 kmkale_ yep but two months have already gone by since we started
14:43 gmcharlt kmkale_: regarding papers, is remote delivery an option?
14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home And air time - it needs to be seen more on the lists and boards, etc
14:43 twitter, etc, etc
14:43 gmcharlt i.e., people skyping in?
14:43 kmkale_ gmcharlt: yes
14:43 Brooke #topic back to papers
14:44 SpaceLibrarian_home more like promoting conf to get papers...
14:44 gmcharlt cool; I suggest promoting that option (up to a point, in my experience too many remote presentations would get tedious for the audience)
14:44 kmkale_ gmcharlt: how about you? Are you attending? if yes a paper?
14:44 SpaceLibrarian_home and promoting KohaConf as a worthwhile conf to go to...
14:44 gmcharlt kmkale_: yes to a paper, not sure yet about whether I'm attending
14:44 Brooke ah go on Galen
14:44 kmkale_ SpaceLibrarian_home: wanna take that task up? please?
14:44 Brooke you surely want to make mischief in India.
14:45 certainly the little Missus would like to see the Taj Mahal, too.
14:45 gmcharlt :)
14:45 SpaceLibrarian_home will do what I can, kmkale_. I thought slef was going to do some spreading the word as well...
14:45 kmkale_ yes gmcharlt please do make it :)
14:46 ping
14:48 we still here?
14:48 SpaceLibrarian_home yep
14:49 kmkale_ :)
14:49 Brooke yep
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14:49 SpaceLibrarian_home anything else?
14:49 wahanui anything else is reinventing the wheel.
14:49 Brooke hehehe
14:49 SpaceLibrarian_home lol
14:49 kmkale_ :))
14:49 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting
14:50 so, I think you should screw me in perpetuity, seeing as how it's an Indian conference and this time is hella inconvenient for y'all
14:50 SpaceLibrarian_home good question
14:50 not quite midnight for you, is it, kmkale_?
14:51 kmkale_ how about 3rd June?
14:51 nope its 8.23pm
14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home nice for some. :)
14:51 3rd June's a Friday...
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14:51 kmkale_ :)
14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home should be fine for me, depending on the time selected
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14:52 Brooke roll it back 8 hours?
14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home can do that.
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14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home hmmmm
14:52 6pm
14:52 yeah, guess I can do that
14:53 6pm on a Friday is cruel though
14:53 Brooke how about
14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home posswibly crueller than 2am on a Thursday morning
14:53 Brooke you got screwed this time
14:53 gmcharlt SpaceLibrarian_home: on the other hand, how many business meetings do you get to participate in with a beer in hand?
14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home possibly*
14:53 Brooke so you pick a time for next time :P
14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home gmcharlt: I don't actually drink.
14:53 * Brooke gasps.
14:54 gmcharlt ah, sorry for assuming
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home no often anyway
14:54 Brooke those words don't make sense in that order.
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home :)
14:54 beer and I don't really like each other
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14:54 kmkale oops again
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home How's the 2nd?
14:54 with a roll back of 8 hours?
14:54 Brooke it's cool, we'll just have to set you up with Tariq or summat.
14:55 kmkale 2nd is good too
14:55 SpaceLibrarian_home I like 2nd.
14:55 Now whisky... yes.
14:55 kmkale lets set a good time for NZ and AU this time
14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home roll back 8 hours
14:56 6pm for NZ, 4 for east Aus
14:56 kmkale good for me
14:56 Brooke which is why you all should just say "Screw Brooke" and be done with it
14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home lol
14:56 Brooke if the time suits the most participants, I just have to ttfu
14:56 kmkale 2nd June 6.00 UTC?
14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home aye
14:57 kmkale we did that last time though
14:57 Brooke sounds good
14:57 kmkale and the Europeans complained
14:57 ;)
14:57 and this time none of them are around
14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home and rolling forward 8 hours?
14:57 yeah, they can complain when it's not prime time for them
14:57 Brooke I believe thd complained for the Europeans actually.
14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home he did
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14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home there weren't any Europeans present anyway.
14:58 Brooke right
14:58 which is why I have a strict "Screw Brooke" policy
14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home slef isn't european, so I dont' count him. UK is separate...
14:58 kmkale rooling forward 8hrs is 3.30 am for me :(
14:58 Brooke now if there were howls from gmcharlt, they'd be valid.
14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home ouch. yeah. we wont' go there.
14:58 6UTC it is.
14:59 gmcharlt considering the geographic, I'm happy to accommodate any time the others want
14:59 kmkale if you can SpaceLibrarian_home so can I
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14:59 SpaceLibrarian_home :)
14:59 Brooke settled at 6UTC 2nd June
14:59 any last minute objections that I shall ruthlessly ignore, pinning the blame on gmcharlt?
14:59 kmkale but the i'd prefer 3rd cause then 4rth is a saturday
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15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home and thurs is bad because?
15:00 Brooke wasn't the 3rd bad for spacelibrarian?
15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home yep
15:00 kmkale 3.30am on a friday morning will ruine my workday ;)
15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home but it's not ayt 3.30am for you
15:00 at*
15:00 kmkale IF we are rolling forward by 8
15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home we're not rolling forward
15:01 kmkale if we are rolling back no probs
15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home we're rolling back
15:01 kmkale aahh great
15:01 Brooke it's 6UTC
15:01 no one's quarreling that
15:01 kmkale then 2nd June 6UTC?
15:01 Brooke right?
15:01 kmkale great
15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home yep
15:01 coryj Perhaps hold it the day before but roll forward 16?
15:02 Brooke k set 2 June 6 UTC
15:02 SpaceLibrarian_home awesome
15:02 * Brooke will impose her iron will on the community by means of secret chocolate attacks.
15:02 SpaceLibrarian_home done, I think
15:02 kmkale :)
15:03 SpaceLibrarian_home And time for bed, methinks. As soon as Brooke closes this meeting...
15:03 kmkale I can enjoy the IPL now
15:03 Brooke it's closed
15:03 scurry
15:03 #endmeeting
15:03 huginn Meeting ended Wed May  4 15:06:10 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
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15:03 SpaceLibrarian_home Who's playing?
15:03 kmkale good night SpaceLibrarian_home
15:04 mumbai vs pune
15:04 Sachin batting :)
15:04 SpaceLibrarian_home nice!
15:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home misses IPL.
15:04 SpaceLibrarian_home And on that note. Good night/morning/etc/etc see you in a few hours...
15:04 Brooke night babe
15:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home waves.
15:08 oleonard I can't create a CSV profile in master. Can anyone confirm?
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15:30 Brooke hey Owen...
15:30 you going to KohaCon?
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15:33 conan tcohen: I got to go now, but here the chief librarian chose to set 700$e with authorised_values
15:33 bye now
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15:33 tcohen conan, thats good
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15:34 oleonard Brooke: No, can't afford it
15:35 kmkale aw oleonard wish you would
15:36 oleonard I wish I could. I've got three kids at home, so getting away is always difficult. Add to that the expense of travel...
15:37 kmkale oleonard: no sponsorship?
15:38 oleonard I work for a small public library. Travel within the US is sometimes paid for, but not out of the country.
15:38 kmkale :( could you try to do a remote presentation oleonard?
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15:42 oleonard kmkale: I hesitate to do so just because I don't find remote presentations very enjoyable from an audience member's point of view
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15:42 kmkale oleonard: something from you is better than nothing
15:42 * Brooke points out that they're more satisfying than naught.
15:43 oleonard Thanks kmkale
15:43 Brooke think about it, pretty please?
15:43 oleonard Sure, I'll think about it
15:44 Brooke \/\/00+
15:44 kmkale oleonard: I am lining up dedicated bandwidth and couple of projectors so you can be seen as well as the presentatiobn
15:45 slef hi #koha. I hope you're having a better day than me :)
15:46 kmkale Namaste slef
15:46 oleonard Honestly lately I feel like the interface janitor rather than someone who is doing any interesting work. I think Catalyst is doing some really nice OPAC stuff lately
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15:47 Brooke 0/
15:50 jcamins Brooke: what on earth was that smiley earlier?
15:50 Brooke which one?
15:50 wahanui i guess which one is it
15:50 jcamins I've been trying to figure it out for 7 minutes, and I just haven't the foggiest idea what it's supposed to represent.
15:50 \/\/00+
15:51 Brooke heh
15:51 that's not a smiley
15:51 it's 1337 for woot
15:51 slef woot
15:51 Brooke is so 'leet
15:51 jcamins Ah.
15:51 Brooke heh NOT
15:51 jcamins No wonder I couldn't tell.
15:51 * Brooke doesn't even make the bar for script kiddie.
15:52 slef I think there's a leet-speek filter in a debian package somewhere
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16:02 slef @seen wizzyrea
16:02 huginn slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 4 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> don't apologize, gotta do what you gotta do :)
16:03 oleonard @seen wizzyrea`
16:03 huginn oleonard: wizzyrea` was last seen in #koha 1 day, 20 hours, 52 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <wizzyrea`> bbinasec
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16:03 huginn oleonard: wizzyrea_ was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_> dev cycle too
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16:03 huginn jcamins: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> :)
16:03 oleonard @seen wizzyrea_away
16:03 huginn oleonard: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> :)
16:04 Brooke stalk much? ;)
16:04 oleonard Yeah, huginn. Perv.
16:04 jcamins Doesn't she also have a separate nick for her phone?
16:06 Brooke @quote add oleonard "Yeah, huginn. Perv."
16:06 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded.  Quote #131 added.
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16:08 jwagner oleonard, got time for a jquery question? I'm trying to make the second item in a pulldown list be selected automatically, and can't quite work out the syntax
16:08 Not the pulldown I'm working on, but similar to making the masthead search default to Title rather than the first Library Catalog entry
16:10 oleonard jwagner: Does the <select> already have an <option> with the "selected" attribute
16:10 jwagner No, it's defaulting to the first one in the list
16:11 oleonard Does the <select> have a unique id?
16:12 jwagner Yes, it does
16:14 I've tried things like $("select[name='multibranchlimit'] option:second").selected;
16:15 and variations on the theme
16:15 oleonard $("#masthead_search option").eq(3).attr("selected","selected");
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16:17 Brooke 0/
16:17 jwagner Where the eq(3) is the numbre of the item I want selected?
16:18 oleonard Yes, possibly starting from 0, possibly from 1. Don't remember the rule.
16:18 jwagner OK, I'll try that -- thanks!
16:19 slef oleonard: bleah. Still think I'll email :)
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16:21 kmkale bye all. good night
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16:31 cait hi #koha
16:31 Brooke 0/
16:40 slef hi cait
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16:44 coryj During an import is it normal for ampersands (&) in titles to be converted to &amp; before being written to biblioitems?
16:45 slef that sounds like the wrong point for it to happen :-/
16:45 coryj Should be escaped on display, right?
16:45 slef yeah
16:46 it would also be escaped in marcxml but I forget which table that is in
16:46 coryj thought so.  Vendor's fix was to stop escaping in the template... not to correct the data.
16:46 hrm...  That is where I was looking.. marcxml column in biblioitems
16:47 slef oh well, it'll be escaped in the XML
16:47 can't have bare & in XML
16:47 XSL Template?
16:48 coryj ok.  hm.  Just looked in biblio table and it is correct there
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16:56 coryj So, if I do a title search, should it be matching against the value in biblioitems.marcxml(tag 245.a) or should it be searching biblio.title ?
16:58 slef depends how you do the search, how zebra is configured, and so on
16:58 bbl
16:59 coryj Fair enough, but is their a recommended search setup for zebra?
17:01 Right now, if I do a title search for "amp" I get anything with an ampersand in the name.
17:11 * cait waves to slef
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17:24 druthb o/
17:24 freebe Installing Koha 3.4.0 I get
17:24 Software error: Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 279.
17:25 Is this a bug?
17:25 cait how did you install koha?
17:25 are all modules installed?
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17:26 freebe tar.gz and following INSTALL instructions
17:26 Yes, I think all the modules are installed
17:26 cait hm
17:26 freebe Maybe there is a fix for this in the Git tree?
17:26 cait I am not sure it's a bug
17:27 are you past the webinstaller?
17:27 freebe no, I am starting the webinstaller. Starting the web installer it when it fails
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18:20 jwagner oleonard, online?
18:20 oleonard Yes
18:21 jwagner That jquery thing, I couldn't get it to work with your syntax, but did with this: $("select[name='multibranchlimit'] option:second").attr("selected","selected");
18:21 It does count from zero
18:23 Sorry, to clarify, your syntax does count from zero -- this syntax counts from one
18:25 oleonard So the question is why did it work for me and not for you.
18:30 * wizzyrea waves
18:30 oleonard Hi wizzyrea. slef was looking for you earlier.
18:31 wizzyrea :) yea, he emailed me
18:31 oleonard Back on home turf wizzyrea?
18:32 wizzyrea yepper
18:32 conf wasn't bad for a first try
18:32 * gmcharlt waves from home
18:32 wizzyrea woot gmcharlt made it :)
18:32 we missed you though, oleonard
18:32 maybe next year :)
18:33 jwagner oleonard, I dunno, but you gave me enough of a lead to get it worked out.  Thanks!
18:34 oleonard wizzyrea: You'll have to come and collect my brain yourself. How does a brain in a jar get on a plane with more than 3 oz. of liquid anyway? Doctor's note?
18:36 wizzyrea hmm
18:36 they did catch my shoes though
18:36 I was in a hurry to get through in madison
18:36 I thought I was going to miss it
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18:41 oleonard Are we all afraid [off] the TSA reading the IRC log?
18:42 * gmcharlt is just following wizzyrea's trend ;)
18:43 gmcharlt well, practically speaking, no reason to worry at all
18:45 coryj I hate asking... but do any of you have a notebook/netbook with good battery life that is decent for coding use?
18:45 jcamins coryj: my wife has an eeePC which I'm kind of jealous of.
18:45 coryj I have an eeePC I HATE because of where they place the keys
18:45 jcamins Oh. Well, never mind then.
18:45 coryj lol
18:46 Every time I go to hit the right shift I arrow up instead.
18:46 I like the acer KB layout on the Aspire.  But that's a pretty old model now.
18:46 And I was hoping someone was really happy with theirs (even full size as long as the battery life is ok.)
18:51 jcamins coryj: I like my Macbook Pro. But rangi will mock you if you buy one.
18:51 I *loved* my Fujitsu, until the power port melted.
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18:52 coryj Non-melting needs to be a key feature
18:53 oleonard Picky picky.
18:53 jcamins coryj: I know. Otherwise I would've recommended it.
18:53 That's why I went with a MacBook Pro.
18:53 coryj Don't need the TSA searching my carry-on to find out why it is smoking
18:54 jcamins Lots of people swear by Thinkpads.
18:55 oleonard I have a fairly new Thinkpad which I like pretty well but which doesn't have great battery life
18:55 coryj My prev laptop was a Thinkpad.  I got about 2.5 hrs on a charge <thumbs down>
18:55 * jcamins used his wife's old Thinkpad for several years. Hated it.
18:56 jcamins But, the alternative was actually buying a new computer.
18:56 coryj Nothing like getting into the 2nd session of a conference and having your battery die with no outlets anywehere in the room.
18:56 oleonard My Thinkpad does better than 2.5 hours on a charge, but it certainly can't compare to a MacBook
19:00 cait acer timelinex models are said to have a long battery life
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19:01 cait we have one of the smaller models at work - using it for long train rides and writing protocols mostly
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19:02 coryj I don't suppose you have Linux on that?
19:02 cait no, I am sorry
19:03 coryj No prob.  If I didn't have Linux on it I'd be sorry to. ;)
19:03 too even
19:08 slef timelinex doesn't come with LinEx or even any linux? Isnt that an advertising standards offence? ;-)
19:10 cait have not investigated it
19:10 and hi slef
19:10 :)
19:10 slef hi again cait
19:10 coryj now that you mention it, slef...
19:10 slef oh crikey
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19:11 coryj hehe
19:11 * slef runs to get dinner
19:11 cait and he is gone again
19:18 coryj Hmm... going to have to modify the opac screen to show this if you have overdues:
19:18 http://icanhascheezburger.com/[…]ave-some-overdue/
19:18 jcamins Wow, it just got *really* cold.
19:19 coryj jcamins: A disturbance in the force?
19:19 oleonard Ghost walking by?
19:26 HBankhead white walker, one of "the others"
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19:51 rangi morning
19:51 oleonard Hi rangi
19:52 * rangi is happy to see fmarier working on koha features :)
19:53 rangi hey owen, how's the family?
19:54 oleonard Littlest just turned two yesterday
19:54 wizzyrea <3
19:56 oleonard Need to start thinking about what my 7-year-old is going to do with her summer
19:57 rangi ata is 2 end of may
19:58 ohh 7
19:58 I think when we first met she wasn't born eh?
19:59 oleonard No, not when we first met
19:59 Hey, is Business::ISBN something that we have to get from CPAN?
20:00 * cait waves to rangi and oleonard
20:01 jcamins Someone didn't read INSTALL.whatever.
20:01 rangi heh
20:01 jcamins oleonard: not you. Responding to the mailing list.
20:01 rangi its in squeeze
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20:01 rangi and should be ubuntu oleonard
20:03 oleonard I'm getting "prerequisite Business::ISBN 2.05 not fount" after doing 'perl Makefile.PL'. Ubuntu.
20:03 jcamins sudo apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl
20:04 oleonard So that should be part of install_misc/ubuntu.packages
20:04 ?
20:04 adnc any news to debian packaged koha 3.4?
20:05 jcamins oleonard: I thought we added it.
20:05 But, if we didn't, yes, it should be.
20:07 rangi adnc: its in progress, we will certainly announce it when it is ready
20:07 adnc rangi, thanks
20:09 rangi the missing dependency is packaged now, so its just dealing with the upgrade from 3.2 and items data moving to go
20:10 gotta be done round the edges of client work though
20:10 adnc: unless you can find us a client who wants to pay for packaging :)
20:11 brb my stop
20:14 adnc ;)
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20:24 cait morning SpaceLibrarian_home
20:24 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: mornin :)
20:25 SpaceLibrarian_home hey! :)
20:26 rangi back
20:26 SpaceLibrarian_home morning rangi.
20:27 rangi how was the meeting?
20:27 SpaceLibrarian_home there were 3 of us...
20:28 but it was interesting.
20:30 rangi interesting is good
20:32 SpaceLibrarian_home yeah... it is.
20:33 nengard has anyone used the marc export tool in 3.4?
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20:34 nengard i keep getting an empty file when i try to export
20:35 i tried bib number range and date range
20:35 but i think the date range is in the item record and my records don't have items
20:36 gmcharlt nengard: it's querying the items directly, not the copy of the items in the bib MARC
20:36 wizzyrea hmm
20:36 nengard gmcharlt, i don't understand what you mean ... i have 800 bib records with no items (holdings) does that mean I can't export the bibs?
20:38 gmcharlt nengard: correct; if the bibs have no items, they would not be selected by date range, since it's presently looking for the item dateaccessioned
20:38 nengard right - that i assumed, but I tried to do it using bib numbers
20:38 and that didn't work either
20:39 gmcharlt if library, call number, itemtype, or date range is selected as the filter
20:39 will only pull in bibs that are linked to items
20:39 doing it by bib number shoudl work, but only if none of those other filters are selected
20:39 nengard http://screencast.com/t/xoONp6IE
20:40 that's what i have
20:40 and i get a blank marc file
20:41 jcamins nengard: you checked to make sure that those records are really there, right?
20:42 nengard yes :)
20:42 jcamins Okay. Just checking.
20:42 nengard well I know  i have 4121 but maybe not 6000
20:42 gmcharlt nengard: hmm, is indybranches turned on in that database by any chance?
20:42 nengard gmcharlt, shoudln't be ... let me go look
20:42 gmcharlt it was!!!
20:43 gmcharlt nengard: ok, there's your answer
20:43 nengard it worked
20:43 you're awesome :) thanks
20:43 I must have turned it on to test something and forgot to turn it back off
20:43 gmcharlt++
20:43 gmcharlt if indybranches is turned on, it effectively adds a filter to the user session's current branch
20:43 ...
20:43 in some circumstances that could be construed as a bug
20:43 nengard that shouldn't be there for super librarians ... i would think
20:43 for them it would be a bug
20:44 gmcharlt yeah
20:44 nengard right?
20:44 gmcharlt and it is a bug for them
20:44 nengard okay I report that as a bug then
20:44 coryj Yeah, we have librarians that serve multiple branches too who would be quite annoyed.
20:44 jcamins Someone talk me out of serving French toast for dinner.
20:44 nengard jcamins, if you're not coming to give me some too then you can't serve french toast for dinner
20:44 coryj jcamins: I think that is a splendid idea
20:44 gmcharlt jcamins: I'm a big fan of breakfast for any meal, so ... no help from me ;)
20:44 nengard did that work? :)
20:44 jcamins nengard: no.
20:44 ibeardslee only if you don't have maple syrup to go with it
20:45 nengard hehe
20:45 * jcamins has maple syrup.
20:45 nengard can't help then cause i love breakfast for dinner
20:45 ibeardslee should be no reason not to then
20:45 jcamins I was going to have French toast for breakfast, but Shari -- very unusually -- voluntarily suggested omelets, so we had omelets.
20:45 But I've been thinking about French toast all day.
20:46 cait so you should have them :)
20:47 jcamins Gee, you were all so helpful at talking me out of French toast for breakfast.
20:47 ibeardslee I might end up picking up some fresh bread and eggs on the way hme
20:47 coryj Dooo-eeet!
20:47 SpaceLibrarian_home hmmmmm.... french toast.
20:47 jcamins It's going to be *amazing* French toast.
20:47 gmcharlt heh
20:47 jcamins The bread I baked yesterday is absolutely perfect.
20:47 SpaceLibrarian_home I think I may find some for breakfast.
20:47 gmcharlt I see you're getting your revenge on us for not helping you ;)
20:47 * gmcharlt is suddenly hungry
20:48 jcamins It was an experimental recipe, but it seemed to work out well, even if it wasn't quite what I was going for.
20:48 rangi coryj: i think ive just placed who you are :) you were at kohacon09 right?
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20:49 Brooke kia ora
20:49 rangi hiya Brooke
20:50 Brooke :)
20:50 wizzyrea heya brooke
20:50 jcamins I wish Shari's class didn't end at 6:15. I've talked myself into wanting dinner now.
20:50 Brooke <3
20:50 I think I'd vomit if I had to eat dinner at 5 most days.
20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home hey Broole
20:51 Brooke
20:52 * SpaceLibrarian_home isn't quite awake yet
20:52 rangi ok, i want to add 658 to fields searched under subject, its just a matter of editing the zebra configs and reindexing eh?
20:52 Brooke bounced back right away love.
20:52 gmcharlt rangi: yep
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20:52 rangi cool
20:54 jcamins rangi: doesn't my patch do that?
20:54 rangi it might, but this is an older 3.2.x install
20:54 jcamins Ah.
20:54 rangi what was the bug?
20:55 * rangi will see if he can apply it :)
20:55 jcamins Oh, no, never mind.
20:55 It was an earlier one.
20:57 rangi ?
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20:57 jcamins Apparently 658 was already added.
20:58 rangi oh really, do you ahve any idea when?
20:58 jcamins Looking now.
20:58 rangi awesome thank you
20:59 jcamins Okay, that's weird.
21:00 There's no commit.
21:00 You'll have to edit it manually.
21:01 I did all but 658 with my patch.
21:01 wizzyrea hm, would it be cool to have a "pick your framework" option for ztarget imports as well as staged imports?
21:02 jcamins I guess there should be a follow-up
21:04 rangi heya skushner
21:04 jcamins Wow, this is taking forever.
21:05 rangi yeah it goes 656 657 690
21:05 Brooke as in longer than checking mail in Horowhenua, or shorter?
21:05 jcamins (git pulling Master into my bug branch)
21:05 cait wizzyrea: you can do that in acq
21:05 * Brooke is guessing shorter.
21:05 jcamins rangi: oh, in that case you'll need the patch for bug 5192 (433b77b750a155f50d9db4a2e6c9fdf4be6ed169).
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5192 enhancement, P1, ---, jwagner, REOPENED , Add new index and search option for 658 curriculum field
21:06 wizzyrea aha, I wonder then
21:06 jcamins And my follow-up to 5868.
21:06 wizzyrea if it ought to just be something we do at all points of record ingress
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21:11 skushner bg:(
21:11 :D
21:11 rangi ta jcamins
21:11 coryj rangi: Yeah, and the hackfest afterwards
21:12 rangi welcome back skushner
21:12 coryj: right ;-)
21:12 cool to 'see' you again
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21:14 jcamins rangi: sent you a follow-up patch.
21:15 coryj rangi: you too.
21:15 Decided to get more involved again after kudos meeting
21:16 rangi thanks jcamins
21:16 coryj: awesome!
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21:18 coryj is it standard for zebra to index title from within biblioitems.marcxml or from biblios.title ?
21:18 gmcharlt always from the marxml
21:19 coryj Is there a way to get it to de-html-encode it before indexing?
21:19 If I search for "amp" in titles, I get every book with an ampersand (&) in it since it is encoded to &amp; in marcxml
21:20 gmcharlt coryj: if you run rebuild_zebra.pl with -x, I suspect that would happy automatically
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21:23 coryj going to try that right now
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21:24 jcamins Time to pontificate on the national identity of Bukharan Jews in late Imperial Russia.
21:24 Good night, #koha
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21:28 coryj gmcharlt: any downside to rebuilding with -x ?
21:28 gmcharlt coryj: no
21:29 just note that if you use authorities, you have to do
21:29 rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x
21:29 and rebuild_zebra -a
21:29 as separate crontab entries
21:31 coryj looks like rebuild_zebra -a isn't being run at all in a cron job right now
21:32 cait night #koha
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21:34 gmcharlt coryj: heh; well, if you're not using authorities, wouldn't need to add it
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21:36 coryj Man I'd love to get to Kohacon this year.
21:37 rangi chris_n: you about?
21:38 coryj last year would have been even better... due to location
21:38 rangi @later tell chris_n did you forget to do a push of the 3.4.x branch?
21:38 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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22:10 coryj Guess I should go.  I was done 1-1/4 hours ago and haven't seen the wife since before Kudos-con.
22:14 rangi spotya later coryj
22:16 coryj rangi: until later.  Hope the weather is nice for you.  Really warm here today 16C!
22:16 rangi @wunder wellington nz
22:16 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
22:16 rangi the same :)
22:16 coryj @wunder wausau, wi
22:16 huginn coryj: The current temperature in Hawthorn Hills Elementary School, Wausau, Wisconsin is 16.9�C (5:19 PM CDT on May 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Falling).
22:17 coryj warmest we've had this spring I think.
22:17 anyhow.. catch you later
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22:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a23d1ae4c0ffb20a2> / Bug 6282: HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn missing from pref file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3db05ea32458316df> / Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fail
22:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 23 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:54 jcamins_away Horror! I can't find my maple syrup anywhere!
23:04 rhcl and maple syrup would be required for what why?
23:05 jcamins_away rhcl: French toast!
23:05 rhcl ah, yes, of course. I forgot you were in the Nepal time zone (or whereever it's 7:00 am right now).
23:06 jcamins_away I didn't have it for breakfast, so I'm having it for dinner. :P
23:06 rhcl of course
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23:07 jcamins_away I told #koha to talk me out of it earlier, and they completely failed.
23:07 coryj I'
23:08 I'll have you  know... it is your fault that we are having french toast for dinner tonight.
23:09 jcamins_away coryj: but doesn't it sound wonderful?
23:09 coryj yeah, that's the problem.
23:10 Wife said... what should we have for dinner and half jokingly I said "French toast?"
23:10 She said, "That sounds GREAT!"
23:10 * jcamins_away has started a movement.
23:10 jcamins_away :D
23:12 eythian http://thedailywtf.com/#PPic1
23:13 coryj Only bad thing is we don't have fresh bread.  But we do have eggs fresh from our chickens.
23:13 jcamins_away coryj: ooh.
23:13 coryj jcamins_away: Trade you some home-made bread for fresh eggs.
23:13 jcamins_away If only I had fresh eggs -- and knew where my maple syrup was -- dinner would be perfect.
23:14 coryj: I think it would be easier for me to ship the bread than for you to ship the eggs. ;)
23:14 coryj Too bad I didn't just decide to have french toast when it came up before.  We could have ahd some fresh bread.
23:14 jcamins_away: nah... just no promices on the condition when they arrive
23:15 jcamins_away Heh.
23:15 coryj: well, how long until dinner?
23:15 coryj Actually, the wife ships eggs all the time.
23:15 Lets see... US post office + time till next pick up * hunger = 5-6 days I think.
23:15 My shipping math is rusty.
23:16 jcamins_away coryj: no, I meant for you baking fresh bread.
23:17 coryj jcamins_away: ahh.  A batch usually takes us about 90 min or so.
23:17 I'm too hungry now to wait for that.
23:17 jcamins_away Heh.
23:17 That's too bad.
23:17 coryj And the wife is armed with scissors so...
23:17 jcamins_away If you were on the West Coast, you'd have time.
23:18 coryj it's 6:21 here tho.
23:19 If I were on the west coast it would probably be nicer out too.
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23:19 coryj @wunder 54414
23:19 huginn coryj: The current temperature in Antigo, Wisconsin, Antigo, Wisconsin is 16.4�C (6:12 PM CDT on May 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Falling).
23:20 coryj although today might have been the warmest so far this year
23:20 definately warmer/nicer than during the Kudos conf last two days
23:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #23: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/23/
23:21 * Galen Charlton: history.txt updates for April 2011 releases
23:21 * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3543: split NLM call numbers in label creator
23:21 * Robin Sheat: Bug 5509 - use an XML parser to get values from config
23:21 * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fails. Unprocessed biblionumbers are displayed at the end of the execution instead.
23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3543 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Spine labels - NLM call numbers not splitting
23:21 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6282: HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn missing from pref file
23:21 * Chris Cormack: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script)
23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5509 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packaging scripts get upset when there's an LDAP configuration in the koha_conf.xml
23:21 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6001 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl crashes when GetMarcBiblio fails.
23:21 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6282 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref missing from *.pref file
23:21 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6031 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-rebuild-zebra doesn't allow XML and verbose indexing
23:26 druthb joined #koha
23:26 druthb o/
23:26 * jcamins_away waves to druthb
23:27 druthb hi, teammate! :)
23:28 jcamins_away Made it safely back to DC?
23:30 druthb I did.  back at home, safe and sound.
23:30 jcamins_away Hooray!
23:31 French toast all around to celebrate!
23:32 druthb om nom nom
23:32 coryj jcamins_away: Have the eggs in the bowl.  Beautiful #ffcc11 colored yolks.  Can tell they're getting outside now that spring is here.
23:32 hrmmm. maybe #ffbb00 - not so good at color-matching
23:33 druthb coryj: it was great meeting you in Madison! :)
23:33 coryj druthb: Same here.  Wish we could have had you do our migration.
23:34 jcamins_away coryj: lucky. My wife won't be home for another hour or two.
23:34 coryj We just imported data from our Sr. high school and I took a look at it today.  :( not impressed with the clean-up we paid for.
23:35 First search I found categories of "Horse" "Horse," "HORSE" and "HORSE," to match.
23:36 jcamins_away: cast iron pan is hot now
23:36 jcamins_away coryj: at least you didn't have "7TH FL BOX" as a location... for a library in a building with only 5 floors.
23:37 coryj lol
23:38 jcamins_away Ooh! Or "ASK AT OFFICE."
23:38 The librarian who presumably entered that didn't recall the book at all.
23:39 coryj Unfortunately, the library this is from is completely against Koha and insists only Destiny will work for them.
23:40 jcamins_away Ugh.
23:40 coryj Multiple categories in Koha when their old app shows one will be one more bit of "proof" that it isn't up to the job.
23:41 Two of our six librarians feel that way.  The truth is that both of them want the computer to do everything.. and the Follett rep says destiny will.
23:43 man, it smells good here.  Gonna have to go eat my french toast.
23:43 coryj is now known as coryj_away
23:43 jcamins_away druthb: how about you? French toast for dinner? :)
23:47 druthb hm...got some chinese takeout on the way...
23:48 jcamins_away druthb: you're missing International French Toast Day!
23:48 * jcamins_away is rather fixated on French Toast... he wanted it for breakfast, and has spent all day thinking about how yummy it is.
23:48 coryj_away is now known as coryj
23:48 coryj druthb: for shame
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23:51 coryj wb
23:51 ;)
23:52 eythian you had a minute there to spew invective without be recorded, and you missed it!
23:52 *being
23:53 coryj the french toast was YUMMY!
23:54 But now we really must make some bread so we have some nice slightly-stale homemade bread for next time.
23:55 hrm..  when I do a title search for "amp" I am still getting every record that has an ampersand (&) in the title.
23:55 I assume it is because it is encoded as "&amp;" in the marcxml record.
23:56 jcamins_away coryj: probably.
23:56 I guess you actually have books with the word "amp" in the title?
23:57 coryj no clue.  I'm not going to mention this little "bug" to anyone here lest the anti-Koha librarians blow it out of proportion.
23:57 jcamins_away Very sensible.
23:59 * coryj wonders if title shoudl be hrml-decoded before being indexed in rebuild_nozebra.pl
23:59 coryj bleh... should be html-decoded...

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