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| 00:19 | rangi | patch sent |
| 00:22 | and of course i discover a bug with it right away | |
| 00:39 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6292] Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292> |
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| 01:17 | Mike6 | If I make modifications to koha, what am I required to do to comply with GPL |
| 01:19 | do I have to publish the source, or just include it if I didtribute it? | |
| 01:19 | *distribute | |
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| 01:30 | Mike6 | does anyone know? |
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| 01:33 | Space_Librarian | Mike6: they're all at a conference presently, so if you hang on, somebody will tell you. |
| 01:33 | dagnabit | |
| 01:34 | * sijobl | is not a lawyer, but I'll give it a shot anyway |
| 01:34 | sijobl | if you make mods to Koha, you're not obliged to do anything with them, if they're for your own use |
| 01:34 | Space_Librarian | it's on the koha-community page... |
| 01:34 | sijobl | if you give that copy of Koha to somebody else, then you are obliged to provide the source with it |
| 01:35 | that's the traditional reading of GPL v2 | |
| 01:35 | since some of Koha is under GPL v3 now, I'm not sure what applies | |
| 01:36 | I think the main difference there is that if you're offiner up your modifications to Koha for others to use and it's still on your server, you have to make the code available | |
| 01:36 | s/offiner/offering | |
| 01:36 | * Space_Librarian | thinks sijobl may be right... Will check the documentation. |
| 01:37 | sijobl | ie if you're running some kind of hosted koha, under the gpl v3 you need to make the code for that available to the users |
| 01:37 | WRT to the gpl v2, it's all a bit sematic wrt to intepreted languages, as there's no real way to give anybody a copy of koha, modded or not, without giving them the source | |
| 01:38 | as the source *is* the running language | |
| 01:38 | Space_Librarian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 01:40 | sijobl | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]copyright_license |
| 01:42 | Space_Librarian | sijobl :) |
| 01:43 | * sijobl | all roads on the decision of which license to use stopped at kohacon10 |
| 01:43 | sijobl | I wonder what they decided |
| 01:46 | but essentially the gist of both versions of the GPL is that if you distribute object code (ie compiled binaries), modified or not, free or charged, you must make the source to your modifications available as well | |
| 01:47 | if you don't distribute your version, you don't have to make the source for your version available. So if you're just developing in house, you aren't obliged to send changes upstream | |
| 01:48 | course, then you're probably just making a long term maintenance problem for yourself | |
| 01:48 | in general you should send your changes upstream | |
| 01:48 | if they're non specific | |
| 01:48 | Space_Librarian | Mike6 disappeared a while ago, unfortunately. |
| 01:48 | sijobl | that's ok |
| 01:49 | * sijobl | needed the typing practice :-0 |
| 01:49 | Space_Librarian | :) |
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| 03:20 | AmitG | heya chris |
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| 04:00 | Brooke_ | kia ora! |
| 04:00 | SpaceLibrarian_home | kia ora |
| 04:00 | Brooke_ | :D |
| 04:01 | SpaceLibrarian_home | hey! How's things? |
| 04:01 | Brooke_ | good enough for gummint woik |
| 04:01 | stuff is starting to sink into my thick skull fencing wise, too. | |
| 04:01 | SpaceLibrarian_home | joyful then. |
| 04:01 | Brooke_ | indeed |
| 04:02 | SpaceLibrarian_home | And yay for fencing (still) |
| 04:02 | Brooke_ | I knew once I was wittier in conversation the movement wouldn't be far behind |
| 04:02 | were I not a hulking behemoth, I'd consider dance. | |
| 04:02 | err | |
| 04:02 | western dance, that is | |
| 04:02 | SpaceLibrarian_home | and by western dance you mean? |
| 04:02 | Brooke_ | ballroom dancing |
| 04:03 | SpaceLibrarian_home | flamenco? salsa? |
| 04:03 | Brooke_ | it's useful for the distance and reaction for fencing |
| 04:03 | SpaceLibrarian_home | the fun dancing? |
| 04:03 | Brooke_ | nope |
| 04:03 | boring ballroom | |
| 04:03 | waltz | |
| 04:03 | but I doubt I'd do it | |
| 04:03 | it's too bloody boring and I'd rather fence me way there | |
| 04:04 | I suppose tango'd work | |
| 04:04 | enyway | |
| 04:04 | how are you? | |
| 04:06 | SpaceLibrarian_home | shmeh seems to be my word of the day. I've an irritating headache I can't get rid of and is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore. So I'm working with pencil and paper. Old school fun. :) |
| 04:07 | Brooke_ | clearly you need a personal masseuse. |
| 04:07 | have you had enough liquid? | |
| 04:08 | SpaceLibrarian_home | yes and I, and no I haven't. Although I'm trying to rectify the latter, and I'm investigating a decent sports massage in the former.... |
| 04:09 | Brooke_ | go drink lots of plain water and see what happens. |
| 04:09 | or green tea. That'd do. | |
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| 04:09 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | dutifully drains her cup of green tea |
| 04:09 | Brooke_ | :) |
| 04:09 | * Brooke_ | had someone call her mother once. |
| 04:10 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | thought it only happened to her.. |
| 04:11 | SpaceLibrarian_home | now I need more tea... |
| 04:11 | * Brooke_ | fetches some. |
| 04:12 | Brooke_ | if Open Library has an artist in residence, surely Catalyst could afford a toady in residence. |
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| 04:13 | SpaceLibrarian_home | :p |
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| 04:18 | Oak | \o |
| 04:18 | Brooke_ | 0/ |
| 04:18 | Oak | \o/ |
| 04:18 | SpaceLibrarian_home | :) |
| 04:19 | Brooke_ | dude |
| 04:19 | I think some suckers rss fed mah blog | |
| 04:19 | I just published this bloody post and it's got 11 reads. | |
| 04:19 | Oak | i want to be one of those suckers |
| 04:20 | what's the address? | |
| 04:20 | wahanui | well, the address is fne |
| 04:20 | Brooke_ | I don't write too often |
| 04:20 | and I was _supposed_ to have help | |
| 04:20 | www.insomniaclibrarians.com | |
| 04:20 | it's very ranty. | |
| 04:20 | SpaceLibrarian_home | oooh! |
| 04:20 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | goes to looks |
| 04:21 | SpaceLibrarian_home | looksy. dammit |
| 04:21 | Oak | hm, why the light blue font mam? |
| 04:22 | Brooke_ | blue on white is easier on the eyes |
| 04:23 | oh sechsy | |
| 04:23 | first monday is all spyey this month | |
| 04:23 | open source hardware :D | |
| 04:23 | and digital music | |
| 04:24 | * Brooke_ | suspects the editors of peeking at diaries. |
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| 04:26 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | enjoyed the post. |
| 04:27 | * Brooke | blushes. |
| 04:27 | passes some chocolate discreetly under the table with a wink. | |
| 04:27 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | toasts Brooke with her freshly brewed green tea |
| 04:28 | Brooke | :D |
| 04:28 | dunno if you can find it in eNZed, but I enjoy ito en once in a long while. | |
| 04:28 | hardcore tea. | |
| 04:28 | SpaceLibrarian_home | ito en? eh? |
| 04:29 | AmitG | heya Brokke |
| 04:29 | Brooke | http://www.itoen.com/ |
| 04:29 | AmitG | Brooke |
| 04:29 | Brooke | hi amit |
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| 04:29 | SpaceLibrarian_home | must see if I can find it. Currently drinkin Ti Kuan Yin... yum |
| 04:30 | Brooke: https://www.tleaft.co.nz/ | |
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| 04:31 | Brooke | if one must drink to a Goddess, that's a good pick |
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| 04:32 | Brooke | oooh the cursor zhous are cool |
| 04:32 | ibeardslee | oh cute cursor trails |
| 04:32 | SpaceLibrarian_home | Brooke: yes. to both. |
| 04:33 | * Brooke | suspects by the look of the teapots they know a good sand clay pot for soup |
| 04:33 | SpaceLibrarian_home | that they do. |
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| 05:27 | * Brooke | suspects her interwebs connection had one too many green chiles. |
| 05:31 | Brooke | Male domination is also common: all of the respondents were male in the OSH community (comparable to 96 percent in the OSS communities). |
| 05:31 | http://firstmonday.org/htbin/c[…]le/view/3357/2951 | |
| 05:31 | Koha: Buckin' the trend. :D | |
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| 05:57 | cait | morning |
| 05:58 | rang: bug 6292 - always thought it's supposed to be like that - but happy if that can be changed :) | |
| 05:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist |
| 06:09 | SpaceLibrarian_home | morning cait! |
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| 06:09 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 06:09 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.8�C (11:12 PM PDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:10 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:10 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:13 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 06:14 | bg | @wunder SBA |
| 06:14 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 17.0�C (10:53 PM PDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:14 | bg | sweet |
| 06:23 | magnuse | hrmpf :-) |
| 06:23 | cait | hrmpf? :) |
| 06:23 | morning SpaceLibrarian_home, magnuse and bg | |
| 06:23 | magnuse | hiya cait |
| 06:24 | just a minor comment on the temperature i nmy neck of the woods... | |
| 06:24 | bg | hiya cait |
| 06:24 | magnuse - what's up in NORMARC :) | |
| 06:24 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 06:24 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.2�C (8:25 AM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:24 | magnuse | bg: not lot i think... |
| 06:24 | bg | :) |
| 06:24 | alright night all | |
| 06:25 | magnuse | sleep tight bg |
| 06:25 | cait | good night bg |
| 06:26 | * rangi | wanders in for a little bit |
| 06:27 | rangi | slept off the worst of my headache |
| 06:27 | magnuse | yay |
| 06:27 | headaches-- | |
| 06:27 | rangi | cait: and yeah i think the way the overdues work now is fundamentally flawed if you have 1 item that is long overdue, you will never get any overdue notices |
| 06:28 | even if you have 1000 other items that just went overdue | |
| 06:28 | the one that was due a long time ago would keep getting picked, and it wont match a trigger | |
| 06:28 | and even without -t | |
| 06:29 | it still wont get an overdue | |
| 06:29 | so i think the patch is an improvement, since it now checks all overdues, not just the oldest | |
| 06:29 | it still needs a total rewrite but i dont have the time :( | |
| 06:30 | cait | it's a improvement |
| 06:30 | rangi | but at least now, ppl will get overdues |
| 06:30 | cait | yes |
| 06:30 | magnuse | sounds like an improvement to me! |
| 06:30 | cait | our library was complaining about that (amongst other things) |
| 06:30 | rangi | *nod* |
| 06:30 | if someone has time to sign off that would be great | |
| 06:30 | cait | and they expected that more than one notice can go out |
| 06:31 | rangi | it will do that, unless you have digest chosen |
| 06:31 | (now) | |
| 06:31 | cait | I can try, but notices testing takes a little time |
| 06:31 | or more than a little time, it takes time to create the cases | |
| 06:32 | rangi: digest? | |
| 06:32 | the list-all option? | |
| 06:33 | rangi | the type of notice i think |
| 06:33 | 2 secs lemme check | |
| 06:33 | cait | there are no digests for overdue notices in koha - there is a command line option to list all overdues in each notice |
| 06:34 | in koha - in the gui | |
| 06:35 | rangi | ahh right, in that case, it will send one per trigger |
| 06:35 | so if you have 5, 15, 30 day triggers | |
| 06:35 | and someone has 1 item at 5, 1 at 30 | |
| 06:35 | they will get 2 | |
| 06:36 | cait | ok |
| 06:36 | rangi | id like to have it be a syspref |
| 06:36 | cait | yes |
| 06:36 | rangi | but kaizen :) |
| 06:36 | cait | so it's the list-all switch or it will always do that now? |
| 06:37 | rangi | i think it will always do that now |
| 06:37 | cait | ok |
| 06:37 | need to know before testing :) | |
| 06:37 | have to go - ttyl :) | |
| 06:37 | rangi | but will need testing, ill try to do some |
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| 06:37 | rangi | basically i tried not to change the functionality, just fix the broken query for selecting overdues |
| 06:38 | bbiab story time | |
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| 06:52 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p and Irma |
| 06:52 | paul_p | kia ora guys (& women) |
| 06:52 | * magnuse | walks over to the other computer |
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| 06:57 | Susan | Good Day everyone, |
| 06:58 | I have just setup SIPServer and tested it, however I want to know, do I have to put this startup script in the crontab | |
| 06:58 | or if I start it once, it will always start up [even if I shutdown the prod machine] which happens | |
| 06:59 | perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/C4 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm "/var/www/koha-2010-08-04/C4/SIP/SIPServer.xml" >/home/mistuser/koha-dev/var/log/sip_log.out 2>/home/mistuser/koha-dev/var/log/sip_log.err & | |
| 06:59 | is the script | |
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| 07:10 | magnuse | hi Susan! not sure there is anyone around at the moment who can answer your question... |
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| 07:12 | Susan | hehe its ok :) |
| 07:13 | thanks I will wait I guess | |
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| 07:38 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:38 | magnuse | guten morgen kf |
| 07:41 | rangi | Susan: you do need to put it in the crontab, with an @reboot |
| 07:42 | or make an init.d script | |
| 07:42 | eg | |
| 07:42 | @reboot /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/sip_run.sh /path/to/SIPconfig.xml sip_out.log sip_err.log >/dev/null | |
| 07:43 | huginn | rangi: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 07:43 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 07:45 | snail | pleasantly surprised at how many academic libraries are listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_Users_Worldwide |
| 07:45 | rangi | thats way old and under reported |
| 07:45 | most people seem to just list on libwebcats now | |
| 07:46 | which is a bit of a shame | |
| 07:46 | magnuse | perhaps there could have been more in the wiki if it was easier to add them? adding things to that huge page can seem daunting, i think |
| 07:47 | rangi | well even libwebcats is way under reported too |
| 07:47 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:47 | rangi | so while i agree making it easier to list would be good, i still think we would still only get a fraction |
| 07:48 | magnuse | it would be cool to have a "campaign" to get more koha libraries registered |
| 07:48 | yeah, we'll never get every single one | |
| 07:48 | rangi | the problem with libwebcats its very american centric |
| 07:49 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:49 | rangi | i know that biblibre has problems getting its libraries to list, because it is all in english |
| 07:49 | paul_p | in France, we (BibLibre) registered our libraries, only 2 of them registered themselves. and don't think a second anyone will file the wiki ! |
| 07:50 | snail | does anyone know of any academic libraries that have documented their decision to move to koha? |
| 07:50 | rangi | funnily enough alsmot all the wiki ones were done by libraries themselves |
| 07:50 | paul_p | (in the yearly survey, we translated the form, send a mail to all our customer, and ... only 3 of them filed the survey :( ) |
| 07:50 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:50 | snail: NYU health sciences libary did | |
| 07:51 | try to catch sekjal sometime about it | |
| 07:51 | back in about 1.2 days | |
| 07:51 | as part of the makefile | |
| 07:51 | magnuse | i think they wrote an article? |
| 07:51 | rangi | we had an option to 'register' |
| 07:51 | magnuse | i might be confusing them with someone else |
| 07:51 | snail | ranghttp://www.facebook.com/notes/[…]10150112534118209 |
| 07:52 | rangi | thats them |
| 07:52 | magnuse/paul_p: maybe a button in the about page, register with the koha community ? | |
| 07:52 | it could submit the about info, that way we could get info about versions too | |
| 07:52 | magnuse | rangi: yes! that would be cool! |
| 07:53 | rangi | would just need a webservice listening that it could post too |
| 07:53 | maybe on koha-community.org | |
| 07:53 | and totally voluntary | |
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| 07:53 | magnuse | +1 |
| 07:54 | snail | does the generated HTML advertise the version? we could check automagically for updates / statuses |
| 07:54 | rangi | snail: yeah if they were out on the web, lots of special/corporate libraries live on intranets |
| 07:54 | magnuse | it's in the generator meta tag |
| 07:54 | <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0500001" /> <!-- leave this for stats --> | |
| 07:55 | snail | dspace is switching to advertising versions in the generator tag too |
| 07:55 | rangi | i think a button where we can encourage ppl to click on |
| 07:55 | is a good first step | |
| 07:55 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:55 | rangi | then we could extend it to periodically check |
| 07:55 | magnuse | and if we had the URLs of a lot of OPACs it would be trivial to write a spider to check versions |
| 07:56 | rangi | yup |
| 07:56 | magnuse | oh my, that would be so cool! |
| 07:56 | rangi | maybe a checkbox |
| 07:56 | magnuse | for? |
| 07:57 | rangi | some way to opt back out again |
| 07:57 | kf | +1 |
| 07:57 | rangi | ie to turn our checking off |
| 07:57 | kf | cool idea! |
| 07:58 | I registered our libraries on lib-web-cats and the wiki - but I agree with paul_p - none of my libraries would do that themselves | |
| 07:58 | rangi | it could be a checkbox/syspref that just adds 'dont check' to the html, and then they have to resubmit |
| 07:58 | magnuse | yeah, but if it's out in the open anyway there shouldn't be a big problem with a havibg a little bot visiting the front page once in a blue moon, i think... |
| 07:58 | rangi | sure, but nice to give people the option |
| 07:58 | magnuse | sure! |
| 07:58 | rangi | i wish i had the time to do it |
| 07:58 | magnuse | s/bot/spider/ |
| 07:58 | yeah, that's the next question... ;-) | |
| 07:59 | rangi | maybe in a month or 2 |
| 08:00 | magnuse | i guess we could survive that, we have managed without for a long time... :-) |
| 08:00 | rangi | we need a student, its a perfect little project for a student, build a db, an a script to populate it |
| 08:01 | then add the button to koha | |
| 08:01 | magnuse | hm, i could edit this conversation down a bit and make a bug for it? |
| 08:01 | rangi | you dont even need to know oha to do it |
| 08:01 | koha | |
| 08:01 | magnuse | yup |
| 08:01 | rangi | sure |
| 08:01 | kf | bug++ :) |
| 08:03 | magnuse | anyone have a good title for it? |
| 08:03 | rangi | not me |
| 08:07 | magnuse | "Add a button for registering with the Koha community"? |
| 08:07 | rangi | snail: http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/po[…]-i-mourn-the-loss |
| 08:07 | magnuse: works for me | |
| 08:08 | snail | rangi: thanks. unretweeted. |
| 08:10 | rangi | snail: i did like the 'as lincoln said "on the internet no one knows you arent quoting MLK"' :) |
| 08:10 | snail | woof! woof! |
| 08:11 | SpaceLibrarian_home | :) |
| 08:11 | kf | rangi: have a sec? |
| 08:11 | bug 5173 | |
| 08:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5173 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow the discount to be editable |
| 08:11 | rangi | yes? |
| 08:12 | kf | why did you add needs sign-off? |
| 08:12 | I had tested it and found problems - but this was before we added our new status :) | |
| 08:13 | and I think it will not apply any longer now - to heavy changes in acq since robin did it | |
| 08:13 | rangi | cos it had no status |
| 08:14 | so was being missed by every report | |
| 08:14 | and by changing it, you noticed it | |
| 08:14 | so my work here is done :) | |
| 08:14 | you can set it to does not apply | |
| 08:14 | kf | hehe ok |
| 08:14 | rangi | i just dont like any ones that have patch sent |
| 08:14 | but no patch status | |
| 08:15 | because then they dont show up anywhere | |
| 08:15 | kf | done |
| 08:15 | I thought I perhaps had missed something | |
| 08:16 | rangi | nope, i changed a whole bunch i found that had no status |
| 08:16 | magnuse | bug 6293 |
| 08:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6293 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Add a button to the intranet for registering with the Koha community |
| 08:16 | rangi | cool magnuse |
| 08:18 | kf: http://www.linuxjournal.com/co[…]0-machines-ubuntu | |
| 08:20 | kf | :) |
| 08:20 | magnuse | yay! |
| 08:21 | SpaceLibrarian_home | awesome! |
| 08:21 | magnuse | and why souldn't they? i finally replaced OS X with Ubuntu on my Mac Mini the other day and it's just sweet as! |
| 08:21 | snail | if i were supporting 10000 machines, I'd want them to be linux too... |
| 08:22 | or more accurately, anything but windows... | |
| 08:22 | rangi | snail: yes, with FAI and puppet |
| 08:22 | * snail | gone (walking the dog) |
| 08:23 | magnuse | http://fai-project.org/ ? |
| 08:23 | rangi | snail: i like the the repository url idea too |
| 08:23 | magnuse: thats the one | |
| 08:24 | magnuse | sounds nice |
| 08:24 | SpaceLibrarian_home | looks good, really good. |
| 08:43 | Susan | Thank you rangi, I just read your comment with the @reboot |
| 08:43 | I shall do that now :) | |
| 08:43 | yay | |
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| 08:59 | snail | http://wiki.koha-community.org seems very slow, or is it just me? |
| 09:01 | rangi | not too bad for me |
| 09:02 | magnuse | not for me either |
| 09:18 | SpaceLibrarian_home | still waiting on my confirmation email from the wiki. It's been over 24 hours now, and not in my junk mail. Is there a problem with the sending? |
| 09:20 | rangi | quite likely, i think people were trying to spam through it |
| 09:23 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ministration#wiki.koha-community.org | |
| 09:24 | SpaceLibrarian_home | thanks rangi, I'll follow it up in the morning. |
| 09:24 | rangi | cool |
| 09:42 | snail | SpaceLibrarian_home: I'm waiting for confirmation too |
| 09:42 | SpaceLibrarian_home | whew. not just me then. :) |
| 09:44 | magnuse | if someone could do something about the broken listing of categories on the edit page too, it would be great! ;-) |
| 09:55 | rangi | yay got my new fsf membership card |
| 09:56 | SpaceLibrarian_home | aweosme! |
| 09:56 | awesome* | |
| 09:56 | :) | |
| 09:56 | magnuse | yay |
| 09:58 | rangi | comes with trisequel on it very cool |
| 09:58 | magnuse | huh? |
| 09:59 | http://trisquel.info/ ahh | |
| 09:59 | rangi | yep, only free software (of course :)) |
| 09:59 | magnuse | it's on the membership card? |
| 09:59 | yeah, wouldn't expect anything less ;-) | |
| 09:59 | rangi | yep the membership card is a usb drive :) |
| 10:00 | magnuse | nice |
| 10:00 | rangi | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/membership/trisquelcard |
| 10:00 | SpaceLibrarian_home | that's what I call a useful membership card |
| 10:04 | rangi | for a measly $10 (of course continuing to pay $10 a month is nothing too) it can be yours :) |
| 10:04 | snail | useful maybe, but I'm not sure I'd trust a card like that with my data. particularly after some of the stuff i've been reading about ssd's recently |
| 10:06 | as per http://www.codinghorror.com/bl[…]-drive-scale.html | |
| 10:06 | rangi | its a bootable drive |
| 10:06 | theres no space for any data on it | |
| 10:07 | magnuse | "And yet there's still over 750MB of writable space you can use for storage." http://www.fsf.org/blogs/membership/trisquelcard but that page might not be up to date... |
| 10:08 | rangi | theres not much on this |
| 10:08 | snail | it's avaliable after you boot, maybe? |
| 10:09 | rangi | but yeah thinking that using a usb stick to store the only copy of your data ... |
| 10:09 | thats never a good idea | |
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| 10:10 | rangi | ditto with storing it on one hd, or one cdrom ... |
| 10:10 | magnuse | or one cloud... |
| 10:10 | ;-) | |
| 10:10 | rangi | course ill be using obnam |
| 10:11 | magnuse | ooh, that looks handy! |
| 10:11 | slef | who's koha's nabble liaison and can they get the spam removed from http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]136.html#a4364446 for us, please? |
| 10:11 | hi all :) | |
| 10:11 | magnuse | how do you do, slef |
| 10:12 | rangi | do we even have such a person? |
| 10:12 | mtj might be the closest we have, he was working on getting the links fixed | |
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| 10:14 | mtj | i didnt get a response yet, from the nabble admins about my Q to add kc.org folk to the koha lists :/ |
| 10:15 | ive been meaning to ask again... | |
| 10:15 | the koha-dev list on nabble is still dead, switch the switch | |
| 10:15 | oops, since the switch | |
| 10:16 | so, we might just have to live with it for a bit, or cancel the nabble-user from the koha list | |
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| 10:35 | slef | :( |
| 10:35 | mtj: can you ask again please? | |
| 10:48 | rangi | slef: dunno how much we can talk about it but of course we responded to the kotui rfi (we got long listed, and then it became 3 rfp) |
| 10:48 | and its not just sirsidynix they went with | |
| 10:49 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15643 | |
| 10:50 | south taranaki and hauraki district were originally interested in kotui, they are now happy koha users instead, im confident they wont be the last | |
| 10:51 | it was the standard rfi/rfp process | |
| 10:51 | with the cost of answering crazy high, literally weeks of work for 3 people | |
| 10:51 | slef | NZ has standards for LMS RFI/RFP? |
| 10:52 | oic, just general public procurement standards | |
| 10:52 | rangi | yep |
| 10:52 | the stupid wasteful inefficient and usually useless way of doing it | |
| 10:52 | slef | did they say why you didn't get through to RFP? |
| 10:52 | rangi | no |
| 10:52 | we did get through rfp | |
| 10:53 | slef | oh... I thought only those 3 did :-/ |
| 10:53 | rangi | no |
| 10:53 | those are the 3 chosen | |
| 10:53 | slef | you are in a maze of twisty procurements, all different |
| 10:53 | so catalyst gambled, in other words? | |
| 10:53 | rangi | thats what answering rfp's are |
| 10:54 | slef | well, thanks to its leaders for doing so, but it's a shame it's needed |
| 10:54 | rangi | but there is no way we could not at least try |
| 10:54 | and our responses were solid | |
| 10:55 | slef | yes, there is. You can send the "you're being a tit" response I've sent to an RFP more than once :) |
| 10:55 | erm, twit, not tit! | |
| 10:55 | rangi | sure id do that if it wasnt the national library of nz |
| 10:55 | slef | it's in that national interest to tell them when they're being a twit! ;-) |
| 10:56 | rangi | but for something where librarians are pleading for you to do it seriously |
| 10:56 | you can tell them that afterward | |
| 10:56 | slef | I'd do that, explain why to the librarians, then account for it as social work. |
| 10:56 | nah, just looks like sour grapes afterwards | |
| 10:56 | too easy for Sirsi PR dept to handle | |
| 10:56 | rangi | yeah but telling them they are a twit before |
| 10:57 | gives you absolutely zero chance of kotui being koha | |
| 10:57 | slef | There's already absolutely zero chance. |
| 10:57 | rangi | bullshit |
| 10:57 | there might be now the process is ended | |
| 10:57 | slef | if the playing field is 89 degree tilt against you, why play? |
| 10:58 | rangi | im not buying that |
| 10:58 | you can complain its flawed process and still have a go at it | |
| 10:59 | we've won rfp in the past | |
| 10:59 | slef | so you think there was a reasonable chance Koha could have won that rfp? |
| 10:59 | rangi | yes |
| 10:59 | not a high one, but worth us responding | |
| 10:59 | do you vote in your general election? | |
| 11:00 | cos that process is deeply fucked :) | |
| 11:00 | slef | sometimes. Our voting system is screwed. |
| 11:00 | kf | mj: retagging 5365 again - it's not only 3.0 - at least 3.2 |
| 11:00 | new acq problem | |
| 11:00 | slef | which reminds me to call yestofairervotes.org |
| 11:00 | rangi | sometimes its worth voting anyway, even tho the process is screwed |
| 11:00 | kf | slef... blame the new keyboard |
| 11:00 | slef | kf: ok, so what F said is not accurate? |
| 11:01 | rangi: only sometimes. | |
| 11:01 | kf | n |
| 11:01 | yes, that's the problem | |
| 11:01 | but it's not 3.0 - it's in 3.2/3.4 | |
| 11:01 | rangi | slef: yes, so your blanket call them a twit is only sometimes valid also |
| 11:01 | kf | it's a usability problem I think |
| 11:01 | you only see the buttion to reopen a basket when it's not attached to a basket group | |
| 11:02 | slef | rangi: was catalyst told why its RFP was unsuccessful? |
| 11:02 | kf | so you have to ungroup it first, which is not what people expect |
| 11:02 | rangi | slef: now its announced we should be getting a debrief, we'll see |
| 11:02 | slef | kf: so it should be retagged master? |
| 11:02 | kf | hm |
| 11:02 | probably | |
| 11:02 | rangi | slef: it was 3 rfp |
| 11:03 | 1 for ils, 1 for discovery layer, 1 for hosting | |
| 11:03 | slef | rangi: oic. "watch this space". Do you think the RFP had any of the attributes I suggested? |
| 11:03 | rangi | what attributes? |
| 11:04 | slef | did it favour all-in-one black box LMS? |
| 11:04 | did it use a spec? | |
| 11:04 | rangi | used a spec |
| 11:05 | slef | who drafted the spec? |
| 11:05 | had they ever used koha? | |
| 11:05 | rangi | dunno and dunno |
| 11:05 | slef | did it take into account the exit cost of migrating away at any end of a licence period? |
| 11:06 | rangi | it did actually |
| 11:06 | slef | did it require suppliers to take a particular legal form? |
| 11:06 | rangi | jesus |
| 11:06 | im sorry i mentioned it :) | |
| 11:06 | slef | sorry, I'm just listing the attributes I suggested |
| 11:06 | rangi | we responded 8 months ago, i cant remember all 400 pages of it |
| 11:06 | slef | some of the nasties I've seen from RFPs here |
| 11:07 | the legal form one deffo comes under "I can't believe it's legal to require that" | |
| 11:07 | rangi | im pretty sure no particular legal form |
| 11:07 | kf | 400! |
| 11:07 | rangi | had to demonstrate financial viability |
| 11:07 | slef | kf: yeah, pretty short one |
| 11:08 | rangi | slef: that was just the answer :) the actual amount to read was longer than that |
| 11:08 | but it was 3 like i say | |
| 11:08 | slef | 8 month lag :-/ |
| 11:08 | rangi | each one of a pretty average size |
| 11:08 | yes, but they did have 2 major earthquakes | |
| 11:08 | slef | oh yeah |
| 11:08 | easy to forget from here | |
| 11:08 | rangi | and the national librarian resigned |
| 11:09 | and they got merged into dept of internal affairs | |
| 11:09 | slef | erm because that makes sense :-/ |
| 11:09 | rangi | national govt .. its what they do |
| 11:09 | cut and merge, cut and merge | |
| 11:09 | and then sell | |
| 11:10 | unfortunately the leader of the labour party is as appealing as cold vomit | |
| 11:10 | so we probably have another 3 years of them | |
| 11:11 | i scheme of things, its probably doomed to fail anyway | |
| 11:12 | slef | irritating though |
| 11:12 | rangi | yup |
| 11:12 | and will waste a lot of money | |
| 11:12 | slef | right, now I'm really off to call yestofairervotes.org |
| 11:12 | bbl | |
| 11:12 | rangi | :) |
| 11:22 | gmcharlt | 'ello 'ello |
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| 11:27 | rangi | morning gmcharlt |
| 11:29 | kf | hi gmcharlt :) |
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| 11:40 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 11:40 | * jcamins | hums about chocolate bread |
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| 11:50 | jcamins | Good morning, coworkers. |
| 11:50 | conan | jcamins: good morning, and hello everybody |
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| 11:52 | kf | jcamins: I think I have dreamt about chocolate bread |
| 11:55 | jcamins | kf: It's going to be delicious. |
| 11:55 | I hope. | |
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| 11:57 | kf | :) |
| 11:58 | jcamins | It's rising now. |
| 11:58 | I should probably write down the recipe I made up while I still remember it. | |
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| 12:32 | kf | jcamins: documentation is important :) |
| 12:40 | conan | how do you use the bot that tells stuff later to someone not logged in? |
| 12:41 | jcamins | @later tell conan Stuff |
| 12:41 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:41 | jcamins | Like that. |
| 12:41 | nengard | kf++ |
| 12:41 | :) | |
| 12:42 | conan | @later tell tcohen - bug 5166, can't sign off, zebraqueue_daemon.pl explodes, check your mail |
| 12:42 | huginn | conan: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:42 | conan | cool |
| 12:42 | thanks | |
| 12:43 | I hope I get the nick alright | |
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| 12:51 | kf | conan: perhaps send him a mail or add to the bug |
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| 12:56 | conan | kf: I already sent him a mail, but I don't wanna add to the bug until I know I'm doing the steps correctly, maybe it's me the one failing and not his patch |
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| 12:57 | kf | I would add what you tried to make it work to the bug :) but here he is |
| 13:00 | conan | tcohen: good morning, check your mail please |
| 13:00 | tcohen | hi conan |
| 13:00 | conan | kf: it's something that seems unrelated to his patch, something broken with C4/Context.pm |
| 13:00 | kf: it's too far from me now | |
| 13:02 | tcohen | conan, I don't see that error you see |
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| 13:02 | conan | crap |
| 13:02 | tcohen | maybe something wrong with your dev setup? |
| 13:02 | conan | possibly |
| 13:03 | tcohen | have you cjecked your sax parser setup? |
| 13:03 | less /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini | |
| 13:05 | conan | wouldn't know what to look for in there |
| 13:07 | it seems fine | |
| 13:07 | tcohen | run |
| 13:07 | misc/sax_parser_print.pl | |
| 13:07 | pastebot | "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "/etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28 |
| 13:07 | kf | ugh |
| 13:07 | tcohen | you shouldn't be using Expat, LibXML instead |
| 13:07 | kf | ok, I have items marked as (rcvd) in acq - but the library says no deliverey / receive was done |
| 13:07 | conan | crap, I didn't mind this error before because everything were working fine |
| 13:07 | tcohen | move the [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser] section to the bottom |
| 13:07 | so it is the default | |
| 13:07 | at least its pretty easy to solve :-D | |
| 13:11 | conan | I was doing the other way around |
| 13:16 | tcohen: check this: | |
| 13:16 | Tue May 3 10:15:37 2011 2 authority record(s) exported for update | |
| 13:16 | 10:15:37-03/05 zebraidx(8464) [fatal] Could not select database authorities errCode=109 | |
| 13:16 | tcohen: are the steps I show you in my mail ok? | |
| 13:16 | kf | paul_p: around? |
| 13:16 | conan | that's from zebraqueue btw |
| 13:17 | paul_p | kf, yep ! |
| 13:18 | kf | oh |
| 13:18 | or ah | |
| 13:18 | tcohen | conan, looks like you don't have zebra database initializaed |
| 13:18 | let me see | |
| 13:18 | kf | I have an acq problem and hoped you might have an idea about it |
| 13:18 | paul_p | or ih, or uh, as you want ;-) |
| 13:19 | ok, throw your pb, we'll see what we can do | |
| 13:19 | kf | my library reports baskets with items marked as rcvd that were not received |
| 13:19 | and I see it | |
| 13:19 | they have no delivery date, but I see that the quantity is set to null - which I think shouldn't be possible | |
| 13:19 | paul_p | items or orders ? |
| 13:19 | kf | and I can't reproduce it |
| 13:19 | orders | |
| 13:19 | paul_p | quantity or quantity recieved ? |
| 13:20 | if it's qty, then it means someone/something has cancelled the order | |
| 13:20 | kf | quantitiy received is 0 - which makes sense, quantity is null |
| 13:20 | there are cancelled orders in this basket - but that's not the lines with the problem | |
| 13:21 | the lines that show received have no cancellation date | |
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| 13:25 | tcohen | conan: its a permissions problem |
| 13:25 | have you run zebrasrv with sudo? | |
| 13:26 | try running both with sudo (zebraqueue_daemon.pl and zebrasrv -f koha-conf.xml) | |
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| 13:30 | conan | tcohen: beautiful :) |
| 13:30 | tcohen: now I can't choose the found authority, but that has nothing to do with your patch | |
| 13:30 | tcohen | sweet |
| 13:31 | thats because new/enh/bug_5166 its far behind master | |
| 13:31 | conan | it opens a blank page with this url: |
| 13:31 | http://192.168.212.14:8080/cgi[…]l?authid=4&index= | |
| 13:31 | tcohen: do you think? | |
| 13:32 | tcohen | i mean, you do find the authority, but the javascript that pulls it into the record fails? |
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| 13:33 | conan | tcohen: exactly, and daemon log shows everything's fine |
| 13:33 | so it's not you, it's js | |
| 13:33 | tcohen: can I re-ammend the ammend? | |
| 13:33 | I forgot to add the string [sign off] | |
| 13:33 | :| | |
| 13:33 | jcamins | conan: yes you can. |
| 13:33 | git commit --amend | |
| 13:34 | conan | should I shorten title to not exceed agreed characters? |
| 13:35 | jcamins | It doesn't matter, because the [SIGNED-OFF] bit will be removed when chris pushes it. |
| 13:37 | conan | hum... I forgot to pull this morning, will that be an issue? |
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| 13:40 | druthb | Good morning, #koha. |
| 13:41 | rhcl_kudos | hihi |
| 13:42 | jcamins | kf: if you decide to make chocolate bread, use more than 7.5% cocoa powder. |
| 13:43 | And use Dutch-processed cocoa. | |
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| 13:44 | tcohen | conan: not in that branch |
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| 13:45 | kf | paul_p: I had hoped you have a patch or bug report for that ;) |
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| 13:46 | kf | jcamins: Dutch-processed cocoa?? |
| 13:47 | paul_p | kf, nope, sorry, never heard of this problem (sorry, was on phone) |
| 13:47 | jcamins | kf: I don't know the term in German. |
| 13:48 | conan | tcohen: done, should I put something on bugzilla? |
| 13:48 | kf | paul_p: I can't reproduce it - but setting the quantity to 1 seems to fix it. but it would be good to know how those lines happened :( |
| 13:48 | jcamins: what's different to normal? | |
| 13:48 | tcohen | conan, change it to signed-off |
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| 13:48 | conan | tcohen: the signoff splitted in 6 individual patches, I sent them all, I hope I did ok |
| 13:48 | paul_p | kf maybe you can keep it in you mind and if the problem arise again, then file a bug |
| 13:49 | jcamins | kf: http://www.thekitchn.com/theki[…]cess-cocoa-041045 |
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| 13:49 | tcohen | i think the last one needed sign-off |
| 13:49 | kf | jcamins: google says normal cocoa for baking |
| 13:49 | tcohen | but its ok if those patches have more than one sign-off |
| 13:49 | kf | jcamins: or the explanation I found in a German baking forum :) |
| 13:50 | paul_p: they have 6 baskets witht his problem - I will certainly here about it if it happens again | |
| 13:50 | jcamins | kf: according to Wikipedia, the German term is "Dutching". |
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| 14:08 | kf | jcamins: does still sound english ;) |
| 14:09 | jcamins | kf: yes it does. |
| 14:09 | kf | jcamins: I think cocoa for baking should work |
| 14:09 | jcamins | kf: what color is baking cocoa? |
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| 14:10 | liw | brown? |
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| 14:10 | margo | yes, baking cocoa is brown |
| 14:10 | like brownies | |
| 14:10 | kf | dark brown |
| 14:11 | jcamins | kf: is it at all reddish? |
| 14:11 | kf | um |
| 14:11 | * druthb | waves over her shoulder to Talljoy and mari_marvel. |
| 14:12 | kf | jcamins: perhaps a little - and it has no sugar |
| 14:13 | jcamins | kf: ah, here's the way to tell what kind of chocolate. Do you use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) or baking powder to make brownies rise? |
| 14:13 | kf | ugh |
| 14:14 | mari_marvel | hi druthb! |
| 14:14 | nengard | hiya margo |
| 14:14 | jcamins | kf: it doesn't really matter. :) |
| 14:14 | margo | good morning nengard :) |
| 14:14 | jcamins | kf: I'm just curious. |
| 14:14 | kf | jcamins: I believe backing powder - but not sure I use it at all for the brownie recipe I hav |
| 14:14 | e | |
| 14:14 | jcamins | Okay, then you probably use Dutch-processed cocoa. |
| 14:15 | So you just need regular baking cocoa for chocolate bread. :) | |
| 14:15 | kf | ok :) |
| 14:15 | slef | I've got a suspicion that baking cocoa is not all cocoa |
| 14:16 | some strange USian concoction | |
| 14:16 | jcamins | slef: we don't have baking cocoa. |
| 14:16 | kf | it's not really called like that |
| 14:16 | it's also used for hot chocolat | |
| 14:16 | e | |
| 14:16 | no sugar in it | |
| 14:16 | jcamins | We have "cocoa drink powder," which is useless, and -- if you look hard enough -- real cocoa. |
| 14:16 | mari_marvel | mmm...chocolate |
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| 14:17 | Talljoy | Hi druthb. Did you enjoy lurking through my pix? I saw you. LOL |
| 14:17 | kf | I think it's probably the second, drink powder has lots of sugar but not enough flavour |
| 14:17 | slef | jcamins: I think your cocoa drink powder is what is called powdered hot chocolate here. |
| 14:17 | druthb | :) |
| 14:18 | slef | kf: really? I think ours has powdered milk but no sugar. |
| 14:18 | jcamins | slef: yes, I was very happy when I was in the UK that cocoa was just cocoa. |
| 14:18 | slef | jcamins: aha! Well probably same food labelling rules apply to UK and Germany on this one. |
| 14:19 | (there have been many European arguments about chocolate and cocoa labelling, but I don't remember any recent major ones) | |
| 14:19 | kf | lol |
| 14:19 | slef | (the Belgians do not like the Brits putting so much butter in our chocolate) |
| 14:19 | kf | you know, people at kudos will think we never talk about koha here - but only about cookies and chocolate |
| 14:20 | slef | I'm farting around with admin at the moment. Too little koha hacking :/ |
| 14:20 | jcamins | kf: people not at Kudos might think that, too. :P |
| 14:20 | coryj | People do talk about koha here? |
| 14:20 | gmcharlt | kf: time for the Cookie Monster to become the next Koha mascot? :) |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea_ | :) |
| 14:21 | kf | not a bad idea gmcharlt :) |
| 14:21 | margo | i love cookies |
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| 14:22 | kf | jcamins: have you seen my acq problem a bit earlier? |
| 14:22 | jcamins | margo: you'll probably like bug 5158, then. |
| 14:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors |
| 14:22 | kf | have you come across soething like that? missing quantity in oders? |
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| 14:22 | jcamins | kf: I saw it, but I don't know much about acquisitions. Sorry. |
| 14:23 | kf | np |
| 14:23 | margo | jcamins: i'm going to get right on that (in my spare time, i mean) |
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| 14:28 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5166] Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166> |
| 14:32 | jcamins | tcohen++ # I hadn't noticed the fix for bug 5724 |
| 14:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5724 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Sometimes deletes aren't processed correctly by rebuild zebra |
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| 14:38 | tcohen | jcamins, its paul_p's patch |
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| 15:05 | wizzyrea_ | oleonard++ |
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| 15:05 | wizzyrea_ | big ups for oleonard at kudoscon :) |
| 15:05 | sekjal | oleonard++ |
| 15:05 | kf | hmpf |
| 15:05 | * kf | wished she was there |
| 15:06 | rhcl_kudos | kudos wishes you were here too. :) are you following the tweets? |
| 15:07 | kf | of course! |
| 15:07 | keep tweeting! | |
| 15:07 | :) | |
| 15:08 | * druthb | wishes kf was here, in a big way. |
| 15:10 | kf | running home to follow the tweets from there |
| 15:10 | will be back | |
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| 15:11 | bg | to bad we are getting a demo on koha 3.0 right now |
| 15:12 | RHCL++ | |
| 15:12 | rhcl_kudos++ | |
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| 15:13 | druthb | @karma mari_marvel |
| 15:13 | huginn | druthb: mari_marvel has neutral karma. |
| 15:13 | druthb | =-O |
| 15:14 | mari_marvel++ | |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea_ | bg: word, we have lots more and better ways to customize |
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| 15:18 | druthb | I keep waiting for a PTFS-only feature to pop up in her preso. |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea_ | jcamins++ |
| 15:20 | jcamins | wizzyrea_: what did I do? |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea_ | fixed that stupid problem we had with suggestions :) |
| 15:20 | gmcharlt | jcamins++ # guess ;) |
| 15:20 | * gmcharlt | teases |
| 15:20 | Talljoy | Druthb was thinking the same thing. :) |
| 15:20 | jcamins | wizzyrea_: ah, right. |
| 15:21 | rhcl_kudos | can he fix the problem with stupid suggestions? |
| 15:21 | jcamins | rhcl_kudos: sadly no. Just stupid problems with suggestions. ;) |
| 15:23 | * druthb | winks at Talljoy. |
| 15:23 | Talljoy | Here we go |
| 15:25 | bg | man I can't see many of the slides? anyone else |
| 15:25 | rhcl_kudos I think you need to pass those bins around | |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea_ | it's pretty small |
| 15:25 | jcamins | bg: you think _you_ can't see the slides? |
| 15:25 | bg | jcamins i_know_i_can't |
| 15:26 | rhcl_kudos | bg: u want my binoculars? |
| 15:26 | bg | not yet |
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| 15:27 | bg | yup I could see the screen great with the binoculars |
| 15:27 | nice and clear and easy to read | |
| 15:27 | coryj | Maybe the type could be bigger without the header bar atop the slides. ;-) |
| 15:27 | rhcl_kudos | these are great binoculars--Pentax, lightweight, very very clear optics |
| 15:27 | bg | coryj++ |
| 15:28 | yeah the Linkcat one looks nice | |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea_ | *nod* it's purty |
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| 15:36 | druthb | image_resizing_without_maintaining_aspect_ratio-- |
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| 15:47 | cait | back |
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| 16:07 | coryj | iPad != koha devel tool. |
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| 16:10 | nengard | what's with all the logging in and out? |
| 16:10 | bad wifi there? | |
| 16:11 | joetho_SDuser | "the godfather of opac customization" < LUV DAT |
| 16:11 | Talljoy | I keep getting dropped myself. Might be my machine or the wifi... |
| 16:12 | rhcl_kudos | mibbit seems to be keeping a good lock for me |
| 16:13 | coryj | I think it is a UW thing. Friend who works here loses ssh connections to remote servers after a period of inactivity |
| 16:13 | If client doesn't do any keep-alive you get disconnected it appears. | |
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| 16:18 | wizzyrea_ | plus it's a conf, and not everybody has something like bip to manae their IRC |
| 16:18 | so, close your lappy, get logged out | |
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| 16:30 | jwagner | To answer comments I saw here and on the twitter feed, everything I showed is available in current head with the sole exception of allowing the apache stylesheet setting to use a remote URL instead of storing that on the Koha server. |
| 16:30 | I raised that as a possibility on the IRC a while back & was told that we would probably be the only ones interested in that option | |
| 16:32 | jcamins | @quote get 102 |
| 16:32 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) |
| 16:32 | jcamins | That wasn't it. |
| 16:32 | nengard | heh |
| 16:32 | jcamins | What's rangi's quote on librarians and crazy ideas? |
| 16:32 | bg is questioning RDA. ;) | |
| 16:33 | @quote search thingsihavelearnt | |
| 16:33 | huginn | jcamins: 1 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..." |
| 16:33 | cait | 123 |
| 16:33 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
| 16:33 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 16:33 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 16:33 | jcamins | bg: see above, re: RDA. ;) |
| 16:33 | cait | ah, now I was too slow :) |
| 16:33 | bg | yeah RDA seems like it's never going to be coming |
| 16:33 | jcamins | Though, 102 also applies to RDA. |
| 16:33 | bg | I feel like I've been hearing about it coming for so long... |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea_ | @quote get 102 |
| 16:35 | huginn | wizzyrea_: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea_ | ha |
| 16:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea++ # actual catalogers talking about Koha's cataloging features |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea_ | this sounds like the beginning of a joke: a cataloger walks into the office and turns on the computer and... |
| 16:37 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:40 | rhcl_kudos | do marc records change so much that version control has value, or is VC more for sharing? |
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| 16:40 | jcamins | rhcl_kudos: according to OCLC? VC is unnecessary. |
| 16:40 | rhcl_kudos | <a non-cataloguer asks> |
| 16:40 | druthb | gmcharlt++ #version control on bibliographic metadata |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea_ | I would think that having the record with the most correct, most complete data, that a merge function might be really handy for that |
| 16:41 | jcamins | But then, OCLC killed RLIN, and I still gnash my teeth at them for that, so obviously I disagree. |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea_ | not just version control, but other git-ish functions too |
| 16:41 | (I could be totally misunderstanding what he's saying) | |
| 16:42 | sekjal | with a distributed version control for cataloging records, we could have a core record, then branches for the metadata customizations that different types of libraries need |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea_ | ^^ this |
| 16:42 | druthb | sekjal++ |
| 16:42 | sekjal | public libraries probably don't need the MeSH headings for a record |
| 16:42 | druthb | sekjal will have that whole thing coded up by nightfall, clever fellow that he is... |
| 16:44 | rhcl_kudos | as a sysadmin, it seems to me that librarians took a perfectly simple concept.... |
| 16:44 | * sekjal | is deep in thought, but very hungry... |
| 16:44 | rhcl_kudos | a database contains records, records have fields. Simple stuff |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea_ | heh |
| 16:45 | that is the gist of the very first conversation I had with rangi | |
| 16:45 | rhcl_kudos | then they created something crazy and complicated like a marc record |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea_ | @quote get 123 |
| 16:45 | huginn | wizzyrea_: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 16:45 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 16:47 | jcamins | I wonder if we could get huginn to repeat that quote every time someone said the word "crazy" |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea_ | crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder |
| 16:48 | crazy? | |
| 16:48 | wahanui | crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder |
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| 16:48 | rhcl_kudos | kudos goes to lunch |
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| 16:48 | Talljoy | Nom nom nom |
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| 16:48 | cait | enjoy :) |
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| 16:49 | sekjal | cognito ergo NOM |
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| 16:50 | cait | hehe |
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| 16:52 | joetho_SDuser | FOOD FIGHT |
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| 17:02 | Oak | night crazy minions |
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| 17:02 | oleonard | Who you callin' a minion? |
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| 17:15 | * oleonard | checks the KudosCon schedule |
| 17:15 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "Coming soon to theatres near you" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/29 |
| 17:15 | oleonard | Oh, everyone is at lunch |
| 17:16 | jcamins | wizzyrea_: that paste was for you. :) |
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| 17:41 | cait | jcamins++ :) |
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| 18:03 | oleonard | Hi Talljoy |
| 18:04 | You must be the talljoy I saw retweeted today | |
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| 18:05 | oleonard | Hi jwagner, thanks for the shout-outs today. :) |
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| 18:05 | jwagner | oleonard, you earned it :-) |
| 18:05 | Talljoy | That's me. At the kudos conference |
| 18:05 | joetho_SDuser | it's Owen, the Godfather of SOUL!!! |
| 18:06 | jwagner | Godfather has a friendlier ring than Capo ... |
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| 18:06 | oleonard | joetho_SDuser: You've met me, I'm the opposite of the godfather of soul |
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| 18:08 | wizzyrea_ | jcamins: HA! |
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| 18:13 | oleonard | Hi margo |
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| 18:13 | margo | hello oleonard! |
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| 18:19 | jcamins | wizzyrea_: I thought you'd appreciate that. |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea_ | :)) |
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| 18:26 | rhcl_kudos | my bus is getting ready to leave. bye kudos.... |
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| 18:31 | wizzyrea_ | bye rhcl |
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| 18:36 | bg | RFPs-- |
| 18:36 | gmcharlt | RFPS++ # shredded, they make great insulation! |
| 18:37 | nengard | :) |
| 18:37 | gmcharlt | RFPS-- # now restoring balance |
| 18:37 | bg | and fire starters too |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea_ | LOOOL |
| 18:37 | bg | or even birds nests |
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| 18:39 | joetho_SDuser | my girlfriend has issued an RFP |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea_ | for what... boyfriends? |
| 18:39 | oh oh | |
| 18:39 | sneaky | |
| 18:39 | joetho_SDuser | spell it out. |
| 18:40 | what is the P in rfp. | |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea_ | you gonna respond in triplicate? |
| 18:40 | joetho_SDuser | I am working on the eula |
| 18:40 | cait | proposal? |
| 18:40 | joetho_SDuser | <---I am the ultimate beta version |
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| 18:42 | wizzyrea_ | heh |
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| 19:00 | wizzyrea_ | cait: druthb just said that half a million bibs = ~7 hrs for indexing |
| 19:01 | cait | :) |
| 19:02 | bg | how long for 17 million records? |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea_ | maths, i has not a brain for it. |
| 19:02 | cait | too tired |
| 19:02 | bg | heh |
| 19:03 | margo | =34*7 |
| 19:03 | bg | @calc 34*7 |
| 19:03 | huginn | bg: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc". |
| 19:03 | cait | 3*7 |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea_ | @google calc 35*7 |
| 19:03 | huginn | wizzyrea_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 19:03 | bg | @math calc 34*7 |
| 19:03 | huginn | bg: 238 |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea_ | HA |
| 19:03 | margo | 10 days?! |
| 19:04 | bg | @google 238 hours in days? |
| 19:04 | huginn | bg: 238 days and 13 hours ago, I had a conversation that changed my ...: <http://www.comfortqueen.com/jens-experiment>; L4P Review™ JLC Reverso Grande Date - 238 hours of power reserve ...: <http://www.luxury4play.com/l4p[…]ower-reserve.html>; Detective Conan Episode 238 | Watch Detective Conan Anime Online: <http://www.animecrazy.net (2 more messages) |
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| 19:04 | bg | @math calc 238 hours in days? |
| 19:04 | huginn | bg: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) |
| 19:04 | bg | @google calc 238 hours in days? |
| 19:04 | huginn | bg: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 19:05 | bg | @math calc 238/24 |
| 19:05 | huginn | bg: 9.91666666667 |
| 19:05 | jcamins | margo: no, you have two hours cushion. |
| 19:05 | cait | 238/24 |
| 19:05 | margo | jcamins: I always pad my time estimates |
| 19:05 | bg | noice |
| 19:05 | cait | wahanui: 2+3 |
| 19:05 | wahanui | 5 |
| 19:06 | cait | hm |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea_ | oo |
| 19:06 | cait | wahanui: 238/24 |
| 19:06 | wahanui | 9.91666666666667 |
| 19:06 | bg | hmmm... I wonder how often the Nat lib of Venezuela - reindexes their system |
| 19:06 | IRC they are on zebra | |
| 19:07 | joetho_SDuser | you all get an F in math class today |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea_ | at least we're not sirsi users |
| 19:07 | :P | |
| 19:08 | jcamins | joetho_SDuser: I managed to do it in my head. |
| 19:08 | :P | |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea_ | jcamins is awesome like that |
| 19:08 | joetho_SDuser | Yay!! I knew you could do it! |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Hey, running screen with -x on my phone and laptop is pretty cool. |
| 19:08 | bg | ah math was easy - getting the damn bots to respond is what was killing me |
| 19:08 | jcamins | I'm watching myself type. |
| 19:08 | bg | yeah screen is fun like that |
| 19:08 | joetho_SDuser | indexing can be slow |
| 19:10 | bg | yeah but less than 10 days :) |
| 19:10 | cait | being_far_away-- |
| 19:15 | 3 wizzyreas? | |
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| 19:15 | bg | three wizzyrea's are better than two |
| 19:16 | cait | hmtrue |
| 19:16 | oleonard | I always thought you shouldn't have three because two would gang up on the other one. |
| 19:16 | Oh no, that's cats. | |
| 19:17 | bg | heh |
| 19:18 | coryj | Lo |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea_ | oy |
| 19:19 | you can kick the other two if you want :P | |
| 19:19 | actually... hm, not sure why exactly there are *three* | |
| 19:19 | that does seem odd | |
| 19:19 | * oleonard | wonders why his VM is so slow today |
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| 19:33 | oleonard | Hi druthb, the Twitterverse liked your presentation |
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| 19:33 | bg | druthb++ |
| 19:33 | druthb | So I see. @loriayre practically quoted the whole thing. |
| 19:34 | oleonard | then I don't have to buy the book? :) |
| 19:34 | cait | druthb++ |
| 19:34 | coryj | druthb++ |
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| 19:36 | joetho_SDuser | wish I was there |
| 19:36 | druthb | heh. |
| 19:36 | thanks, folks.. | |
| 19:37 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 19:37 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 27.7�C (12:39 PM PDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:37 | bg | wow wishing I was there :) |
| 19:37 | @wunder madison, wi | |
| 19:37 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in Middleton, Wisconsin is 7.0�C (2:15 PM CDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:37 | bg | that is so cold |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea_ | pansy californian. :) |
| 19:37 | bg | :p |
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| 19:38 | oleonard | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 19:38 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (9:20 PM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:38 | oleonard | See, could be worse. But not that much worse ;) |
| 19:38 | bg | @wunder boo |
| 19:38 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (9:20 PM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:39 | cait | I love boo |
| 19:39 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 19:39 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.8�C (8:45 PM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:40 | bg | @wunder jfk |
| 19:40 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in New York JFK, New York is 18.0�C (2:51 PM EDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:40 | coryj | @wunder 54476 |
| 19:40 | huginn | coryj: The current temperature in Hawthorn Hills Elementary School, Wausau, Wisconsin is 5.6�C (2:42 PM CDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:40 | cait | that's the best name for an airport ever |
| 19:40 | margo | @wunder 75773 |
| 19:40 | huginn | margo: The current temperature in Mineola, Texas is 20.0�C (2:35 PM CDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:41 | druthb | my slides, by the by, are available *now* on my blog at http://www.librarygeekgirl.net, and I will slideshare them, lest nengard come and pinch me. |
| 19:41 | cait | wizzyrea++ for tweeting |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea_ | lba is tweeting too |
| 19:41 | cait | and wizzyrea++ again - so thankful |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea_ | lba++ |
| 19:42 | cait | right, lba++ |
| 19:42 | oleonard | druthb++ # for posting files |
| 19:42 | slideshare-- # for requiring flash | |
| 19:43 | tcohen left #koha | |
| 19:43 | rangi | back |
| 19:44 | nengard | druthb, you got that right :) hehe |
| 19:44 | * druthb | puts on her pinch-proof armor. |
| 19:45 | skushner joined #koha | |
| 19:45 | bg | wb rangi |
| 19:45 | cait | wb rangi |
| 19:45 | rangi | who's up next? |
| 19:45 | cait | sekjal |
| 19:45 | or after? | |
| 19:45 | SpaceLibrarian_home joined #koha | |
| 19:45 | rangi | anyone asked scls what version of koha they are running yet? |
| 19:46 | bg | after sekjal I think it's unconference |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | right |
| 19:46 | bg | then it's the end :( |
| 19:46 | rangi | unconferences++ |
| 19:47 | skushner | what's unconference? |
| 19:47 | bg | something that's not planned |
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| 19:47 | margo | so the unconference planning is a little ironic |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea_ | minimal planning. |
| 19:48 | margo | or oxymoronic |
| 19:48 | rangi | not preplanned |
| 19:48 | skushner | like spontaneous karaoke..or something? |
| 19:48 | rangi | its planned by the ppl actually there |
| 19:48 | so topics of actual interest can be discussed | |
| 19:49 | and no presentations | |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | bg: when are you heading home? |
| 19:49 | rangi | skushner: heard of foocamp? |
| 19:49 | bg | gmcharlt - wednesday morning |
| 19:49 | rangi | that kinda started it |
| 19:50 | * bg | has one more night in the doubletree |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea_ | one mre night with the badgers? |
| 19:50 | rangi | now there are lots of unconferences |
| 19:50 | bg | no stinking badgers |
| 19:50 | skushner | no |
| 19:50 | rangi | the idea is you get a bunch of interesting ppl together |
| 19:51 | then you all plan the sessions for the next day or so | |
| 19:51 | and they are discussions not presentations | |
| 19:52 | Talljoy | I thought it was going to be a debriefing. I may need one. :-/ |
| 19:52 | mari_marvel left #koha | |
| 19:53 | rangi | some of the best 'conferences' I have been to have been unconfs |
| 19:53 | * bg | was thinking that maybe a small group that wants to learn about bugzilla -- would be a good one for someone to offer |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea_ | propose that plz |
| 19:53 | dev cycle too | |
| 19:53 | * bg | offers up nengard to teach us :) |
| 19:54 | * druthb | is always willing to chatter about/show-and-tell my scripts in advance of the general release of 'em. |
| 19:54 | nengard | teach what? huh? |
| 19:54 | bg | teach us bugzilla |
| 19:54 | nengard | bugzilla? I have a tutorial video for that |
| 19:54 | :) | |
| 19:54 | it's not the newest version of bugzilla, but still | |
| 19:55 | rangi | show the lifecycle page for bugs |
| 19:56 | bg | got a link handy rangi? |
| 19:56 | * bg | feels like there is going to be snow outside later... it just felt like that out there |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | bg: there were rumours of a couple snowflakes being sighted earlier today |
| 19:57 | bg | it smelled like snow |
| 19:57 | rangi | not on my phone |
| 19:57 | the bot knows it | |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | lifecycle? |
| 19:57 | bg | yo bot - you got the link? |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | lifecycle page? |
| 19:57 | rangi | wizzyrea added it |
| 19:58 | bg | bugs? |
| 19:58 | rangi | can't member under what |
| 19:58 | gmcharlt | http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/t[…]ml/lifecycle.html ? |
| 19:58 | rangi | bugzilla? |
| 19:58 | wahanui | it has been said that bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org |
| 19:58 | gmcharlt | that's the generic one |
| 19:58 | rangi | no on the wiki |
| 19:59 | try search for bug/enhancemnt | |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea: help! | |
| 19:59 | :) | |
| 19:59 | gmcharlt | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 19:59 | rangi | thats it |
| 20:00 | bg | ahhh it would be nice for someone to give a tour of the wiki :) like SQL reports and JQuery libraries... etc |
| 20:00 | rangi | might be nice for ppl to learn how to get code into koha |
| 20:00 | bg | RFC's |
| 20:00 | rangi | and then they can yell at their vendor to do it |
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| 20:01 | rangi | and say look its easy |
| 20:01 | :) | |
| 20:01 | cait | rangi++ |
| 20:01 | nengard | rangi++ |
| 20:01 | * bg | proposes "who wants to look at pictures of pretty cars?" |
| 20:02 | nengard left #koha | |
| 20:04 | Talljoy | No, iz want mur catz |
| 20:04 | druthb | i can haz cheezburgers? |
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| 20:07 | mari_marvel left #koha | |
| 20:08 | * oleonard | posted a screenshot of a suggested bug fix three years ago and has forgotten how he did it |
| 20:09 | bg | heh |
| 20:09 | oleonard | This is why one must maintain good git branches |
| 20:09 | cait | and not accidently delete one hmpf. |
| 20:10 | * oleonard | pictures some kind of gitpocalypse in his past |
| 20:14 | rangi | cait: do you have a gitorious account? |
| 20:14 | cait | no, only github so far |
| 20:14 | rangi | ahh well even that is good, just get in the habit of pushing there |
| 20:14 | cait | but was thinking about getting one |
| 20:15 | rangi | then if you delete a local branch, theres at least a copy somewhere else |
| 20:15 | cait | rangi: goodpoint |
| 20:15 | I was deleting all those branches from marseille and my 3.4 patching frenzy and deleted my work on the granular permissions for list thing :( | |
| 20:15 | really annoying | |
| 20:15 | rangi | cait: its most likely still there |
| 20:16 | in the bowels of git | |
| 20:16 | 2 secs | |
| 20:16 | * cait | looks at rangi with new hope |
| 20:16 | rangi | git reflog |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | cait: and whatever you do, don't run git gc |
| 20:16 | rangi | http://blag.ahax.de/post/42193[…]-using-git-reflog |
| 20:16 | cait | like never? |
| 20:17 | rangi | try that out |
| 20:17 | gmcharlt | cait: that is, not while you're trying to recover your commits |
| 20:17 | cait | makes snese |
| 20:17 | trying to get the syntax mm | |
| 20:17 | rangi | just try git reflog in your checkout |
| 20:18 | cait | did - searching for the right line now |
| 20:18 | rangi | yay :) |
| 20:18 | cait | rangi: did you have time to look at the stocknumberidx thing? |
| 20:18 | rangi | the who? |
| 20:19 | cait | hehe |
| 20:19 | the updatedatabase problem with the differently named indexes for the stocknumber field | |
| 20:19 | rangi | oh |
| 20:19 | cait | I sent you a patch for that - when I got stuck |
| 20:19 | had no time to work more on it... which makes me feel guilty | |
| 20:19 | rangi | ah no, can you attach it to the bug |
| 20:19 | cait | it's not working :( |
| 20:20 | rangi | yeah just note that |
| 20:20 | dont put it to needs signoff, just attach it and say, chris please look at this | |
| 20:20 | ill never find it in all my email :) | |
| 20:21 | cait | ok, once I found that branch, will do that |
| 20:21 | rangi | cool |
| 20:21 | cait | I know it must be in there,... but it's still hiding from me |
| 20:25 | hmpf | |
| 20:25 | can't find it :( | |
| 20:25 | bg | try searching in german :) |
| 20:25 | cait | ? |
| 20:25 | bg | was kidding |
| 20:26 | cait | hmpf :) |
| 20:26 | bg | and not searching in english |
| 20:26 | rangi | some new signed off patches waiting for our new qa to check :) |
| 20:26 | cait | oh, feature freeze was before marseille, right? have to go farther back |
| 20:26 | rangi | yes |
| 20:27 | bg | cool new QA is still talking |
| 20:27 | cait | about awesome things I see on twitter |
| 20:27 | rangi | heckle him |
| 20:27 | cait | especially notices |
| 20:27 | rangi | 'oi, you need to check some patches!' |
| 20:27 | joetho_SDuser | btw, koha-community is easier to find stuff on than it used to be. |
| 20:27 | rangi | and this is why i dont get invited to conferences |
| 20:27 | :) | |
| 20:27 | bg | heh will do |
| 20:27 | joetho_SDuser | yes, by all means, heckle |
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| 20:28 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 20:28 | cait | hah, found it! |
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| 20:29 | cait | hi Brooke |
| 20:29 | rangi: do that git merge from a new branch? | |
| 20:29 | * Brooke | bows to Cait. |
| 20:29 | rangi | yeah i would cait |
| 20:29 | * cait | is irritated |
| 20:29 | cait | ;) |
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| 20:29 | Brooke | Clear out the Queen is irritated!!! |
| 20:30 | * Brooke | defenestrates. |
| 20:30 | bencahill | hey guys, any idea why there is ' :' or ' /' at the end of many marc records' title fields (z39.50 from loc)? |
| 20:30 | * oleonard | has never heard that verb used reflexively |
| 20:31 | Brooke | Ben |
| 20:31 | cait | hm nothing happened |
| 20:31 | Brooke | that's a dumb cataloguing punctuation thinger |
| 20:31 | jcamins | bencahill: yes, that's the rule. |
| 20:31 | Brooke | ^ |
| 20:31 | jcamins | If you mean, "is there a good reason?" |
| 20:31 | rangi | and if you dont like it |
| 20:31 | jcamins | No. |
| 20:31 | rangi | cataloguers will kill yuo |
| 20:31 | cait | bencahill: isbd punctuation - belongs to the marc21 standard. |
| 20:31 | rangi | its been known to happen |
| 20:31 | dont question the iron rules | |
| 20:32 | Brooke | rangi sit down before I spank you :P |
| 20:32 | cait | Germany had decided not to do them, but not all displays in Koha look good without |
| 20:32 | Brooke | but seriously, you can delete that and will only be naughty in the eyes of the anal retentive. |
| 20:33 | cait | rangi: why did the merge tell me already up to date? :( |
| 20:33 | oleonard | Whoever decided that that kind of punctuation should be part of the standard was even more crazy than the rest of the crazies that came up with MARC |
| 20:33 | rangi | what is the commit you are trying to merge? |
| 20:33 | cait | 9e3dbea |
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| 20:34 | rangi | and that is the last commit, on the branch you deleted? |
| 20:34 | cait | hm |
| 20:34 | looks not right, right | |
| 20:34 | did a git show and got something strange | |
| 20:34 | oleonard | Uh oh, I'm unintentionally working late! |
| 20:34 | oleonard left #koha | |
| 20:34 | cait | it was the only line I found with git reflog |
| 20:34 | checking again | |
| 20:35 | rangi | ull be looking for a commit not a checkout line |
| 20:36 | cait | right |
| 20:36 | searching | |
| 20:37 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 20:38 | * Brooke | salutes magnuse |
| 20:38 | * magnuse | must just say that making isbd punctuation part of the data in marc is evil - #marcmustdie |
| 20:38 | waves to Brooke | |
| 20:38 | cait | rangi: there seems to be no commit line |
| 20:38 | I guess that's not good | |
| 20:39 | Brooke | it's not evil so much as charmingly deprecated, just like me. |
| 20:39 | magnuse | it's deprecated? |
| 20:39 | rangi | hmm no commit lines at all |
| 20:39 | or just not one for the one you want? | |
| 20:39 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | agrees with magnuse and runs from Brooke |
| 20:39 | cait | no commits |
| 20:40 | I know I finished all the system preferences files | |
| 20:40 | and was working on the templates | |
| 20:42 | it's not in the git stash list | |
| 20:42 | hmpf. | |
| 20:45 | * magnuse | wishes cait good luck with her hunt! |
| 20:45 | * Brooke | sighs at how much trouble boys truly are. |
| 20:45 | magnuse is now known as magnus_away | |
| 20:45 | cait | magnuse: probably lost it |
| 20:45 | bg | rangi - gave the oi, you've got QA patches to do |
| 20:46 | rangi | :) |
| 20:46 | heckling_by_proxy++ | |
| 20:46 | Brooke | any heckling is good heckling ;) |
| 20:46 | bg | half the crowd looked at me and said - you're mean... cracking the whip... |
| 20:46 | slave driving | |
| 20:46 | Brooke | brendan? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | brendan is with his family |
| 20:46 | Brooke | boo wahanui, boo. |
| 20:47 | cait | bg: only half the crowd? what did the other half do? |
| 20:47 | jcamins | cait: cheered? |
| 20:47 | cait | hehe |
| 20:47 | * jcamins | isn't there, either, but that seems like the only other sensible response. |
| 20:47 | cait | I want my bug 5901 back:( |
| 20:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5901 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make virtualshelves permissions more granular |
| 20:48 | cait | rangi: killed that branch with the patch too - have to dig it out too... |
| 20:48 | deleting branches on bulk was a really bad idea | |
| 20:49 | rangi | i just pretty much never delete anything ever |
| 20:49 | * cait | has learned her lesson |
| 20:49 | rangi | means yuo have to work out a good system |
| 20:49 | and i still lose things | |
| 20:49 | :) | |
| 20:51 | if you cant find it, just note it and ill try to find the time to write it | |
| 20:51 | * Brooke | suspects Rangi needs a tardis to find more time. |
| 20:51 | cait | I think a lot of people would want to move into the tardis with him |
| 20:52 | Brooke | tis bigger on the inside. |
| 20:52 | Talljoy left #koha | |
| 20:52 | * Brooke | at least knows where the handbrake is. |
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| 20:55 | cait | rangi: will try to find the copy of the mail tomorrow - perhaps I am lucky and it's still on the other laptop |
| 20:55 | rangi | k |
| 20:55 | cait | but better go to bed now before I found out about more lost things |
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| 20:57 | cait | frustrating :( |
| 20:58 | bye all and save travels home for the kudos attendees | |
| 20:59 | gmcharlt | cait: good night |
| 20:59 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:00 | * Brooke | pines ever missing virtual farewells. |
| 21:08 | bg | man it looks like the unconference is not happening |
| 21:09 | Brooke | orlly? |
| 21:09 | bg | wait was that planned? |
| 21:09 | * Brooke | advises you to crack the whip. |
| 21:15 | gmcharlt | bg: looks like un-unconference mode |
| 21:15 | but people are tired, it was a busy conference | |
| 21:15 | bg | ;) |
| 21:16 | druthb left #koha | |
| 21:16 | * Brooke | calls bs on druthb. |
| 21:25 | jcamins | censuses++ |
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| 21:35 | bg | release_notes? |
| 21:35 | notes? | |
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| 21:43 | rangi | bg: for what version? 3.4 ? |
| 21:48 | bg | yeah 3.4 |
| 21:48 | INSTALL? | |
| 21:48 | rangi | in git there are in |
| 21:49 | misc/release_notes | |
| 21:49 | bg | yeah was hoping the bot was smart ;) |
| 21:49 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/ or there |
| 21:49 | jcamins | wahanui: release notes are in misc/release_notes |
| 21:49 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 21:49 | rangi | 3.4.0 release notes are http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/ |
| 21:49 | bg | thanks rangi... :) |
| 21:49 | rangi | 3.4.0 release notes? |
| 21:49 | wahanui | 3.4.0 release notes are http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/ |
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| 21:56 | sekjal | rangi: will get on QA shortly... brain is tired after 2 days of KUDOSing |
| 21:56 | rangi | i didnt really mean it |
| 21:56 | just wanted to heckle ;) | |
| 21:57 | sekjal | :) |
| 21:57 | today went well, I think. useful, engaging presentations before mine | |
| 21:58 | rangi | cool |
| 21:59 | Space_Librarian | was there good crowd at KUDOS, sekjal? |
| 22:00 | sekjal | Space_Librarian: around 50-60 at the peak, I think |
| 22:00 | Space_Librarian | cozy then |
| 22:00 | sekjal | all one room, single track |
| 22:00 | almost everyone on a first name basis by the end | |
| 22:05 | bg left #koha | |
| 22:05 | Space_Librarian | that's really nice then. :) |
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| 22:17 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_away | |
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| 22:22 | jcamins_away | What is the name of the database (formerly print publication) which contains information about where serials are idnexed? |
| 22:22 | s/idnexed/indexed | |
| 22:22 | It's on the tip of my tongue, but all that comes to mind is "Bowker's," and that's something else... the series that was right next to it on the shelf at the ANS. | |
| 22:23 | Ulrich's. | |
| 22:23 | Thanks. | |
| 22:23 | Bye again. | |
| 22:24 | rangi | heh |
| 22:32 | Brooke | volunteers' meeting for KohaCon tomorrow at 14.00 UTC. Be there or be [] |
| 22:34 | * rangi | opts for [] |
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| 22:34 | rangi | or more truthfully sleeping |
| 22:34 | Brooke | Ciao Irma. |
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| 22:37 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 22:43 | Brooke | right, wow time. |
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| 22:47 | rangi | bug 6296 |
| 22:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates |
| 23:23 | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5684] Z search on OCLC pulls in 952s <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5684> | |
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