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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | space_librarian | and something to stop the book being issued to anybody other than the hold requester... or does it do that already? |
| 00:00 | Haven't played with issuing yet. | |
| 00:01 | sekjal | if the item is on hold for somebody, whether or not it's 'waiting', there is a dialog at checkout |
| 00:01 | but, at least for the library I'm working with right now, that's too late | |
| 00:01 | the patron is already there trying to checkout... can't say to them "oh, sorry, this is on hold for someone else" | |
| 00:04 | space_librarian | that is a staff problem then, yeah... I never enjoyed saying that to a patron when I was working circ, and it happened surprisingly often. |
| 00:05 | sekjal | another idea this library had was to highlight checked in items that have holds on them in Red in the list of returned materials |
| 00:05 | that way, they could at least go back and say "Oh, whoops, scanned right past that one" | |
| 00:06 | eythian | that's not a bad idea. Or, ones that go unconfirmed perhaps, they could be batch-confirmed afterwards or something. |
| 00:11 | space_librarian | that may work. Especially if you're needing to print holding slips too. |
| 00:12 | sekjal | I think doing right the first sweep is the way to go... somehow changing the focus.... will work on a bug report and patch |
| 00:13 | must depart; it's well past dinner time | |
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| 00:15 | glernil | good day! |
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| 00:16 | space_librarian | g'day glernil |
| 00:16 | glernil | ;) |
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| 03:22 | space_librarian | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 03:22 | huginn | space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (3:00 PM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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| 03:24 | AmitG | heya all |
| 03:24 | heya chris | |
| 03:38 | mtj | hi AmitG |
| 03:41 | AmitG | heya mtj |
| 04:09 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 04:09 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011) |
| 04:09 | rangi | heya gmcharlt |
| 04:09 | wahanui | gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 04:09 | rangi | heh |
| 04:09 | you at the eg conf? | |
| 04:10 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 04:10 | rangi | sweet |
| 04:13 | AmitG | heya galen |
| 04:14 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 231 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 04:23 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5445: Nicer breadcrumbs when ordering from different sources <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]79fe975e8b6b22f1a> |
| 04:24 | cait | morning #koha |
| 04:24 | space_librarian | morning cait |
| 04:24 | rangi | chris_n: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]erry-pick_for_3.4 <-- ive just updated this, please cross any out as you move them |
| 04:24 | hiya cait | |
| 04:25 | Brooke_ joined #koha | |
| 04:25 | Brooke_ | kia ora |
| 04:25 | space_librarian | kia pra! |
| 04:26 | ora | |
| 04:26 | :p | |
| 04:26 | Brooke_ | :D |
| 04:26 | rangi | hi Brooke_ |
| 04:26 | * Brooke_ | salutes Rangi |
| 04:26 | space_librarian | I really should sit properly when typing... |
| 04:26 | * space_librarian | wave at Brooke_ |
| 04:26 | * Brooke_ | feels the <3 |
| 04:26 | cait | :) |
| 04:27 | space_librarian | :) |
| 04:27 | Brooke_ | cait's up with the birds. |
| 04:27 | space_librarian | she is. |
| 04:28 | eythian | Brooke_: 2.9? |
| 04:29 | Brooke_ | I could respond, Eythian, but you'd not like the answer I'd supply. |
| 04:29 | eythian | I'm doomed never to know... |
| 04:30 | Brooke_ | you're less scarred that way, dear. |
| 04:30 | eythian | man, I was reading something about scarification earlier today. That's quite mad. |
| 04:31 | * Brooke_ | nods. |
| 04:31 | eythian | Although can look good. (or, can look terrible.) |
| 04:31 | Brooke_ | I'm willing to tattoo until the sun comes up |
| 04:31 | scarification... | |
| 04:31 | though one of the big fights I've had | |
| 04:31 | was over sun dance. | |
| 04:31 | space_librarian | scarfication never ends well |
| 04:32 | eythian | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fzq9[…]rification_07.jpg <-- space_librarian, beg to differ |
| 04:33 | space_librarian | you're not seeing that close up though. |
| 04:33 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6259: AllowHoldPolicyOverride causes every hold to need override <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]48a6d349974205697> |
| 04:33 | Brooke_ | that is a nice one |
| 04:33 | eythian | I can give you an in-progress photo, too. But it might be be a bit much for a family friendly channel. |
| 04:34 | * space_librarian | has a friend who's scarring really didn't work out. |
| 04:34 | eythian | erk :/ |
| 04:34 | space_librarian | yep. |
| 04:35 | which is why I like my ink... | |
| 04:35 | Brooke_ | that would definitely be summat I checked and double checked... |
| 04:35 | * space_librarian | agrees. |
| 04:35 | eythian | Brooke_: you can't really check it |
| 04:35 | because it's pretty varable | |
| 04:35 | Brooke_ | aye |
| 04:35 | but you can know the history | |
| 04:35 | space_librarian | true dat. |
| 04:35 | Brooke_ | and you can also "test" a wee patch |
| 04:36 | * Brooke_ | notes that the koha channel is sweet at night. |
| 04:36 | * space_librarian | laughs |
| 04:36 | eythian | It's the afternoon |
| 04:36 | Brooke_ | pfft |
| 04:36 | close enough to quitting time ye could skive off without Mr. Christie noticing ;) | |
| 04:36 | eythian | He's already left :) |
| 04:37 | Brooke_ | you could be all like "This yank said it was o tay." |
| 04:37 | space_librarian | Brooke_: I believe the correct term is "timey wimey wibbley wobbley stuff", not pfft. |
| 04:37 | eythian | also, my brain just isn't switched on today, so there's not much point me having a long day. |
| 04:37 | Brooke_ | space_librarian: I've got it. |
| 04:37 | space_librarian | :p Excellent. I knew you had good taste. |
| 04:38 | Brooke_ | oh gods no |
| 04:38 | must have the wrong Brooke | |
| 04:38 | space_librarian | haha |
| 04:54 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #231: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/231/ |
| 04:54 | Katrin Fischer: Bug 5445: Nicer breadcrumbs when ordering from different sources | |
| 04:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5445 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Acq: No way back to order from z39.50 result page |
| 04:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 232 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 05:02 | Brooke_ | 0/ |
| 05:02 | druthb | o/ |
| 05:02 | Brooke_ | hope you've recovered from that horrible bore you were spotted with earlier |
| 05:03 | druthb | harrrrumph! |
| 05:03 | * space_librarian | waves at druthb |
| 05:03 | space_librarian | cya ya'll later.... |
| 05:03 | * druthb | waves to space_librarian |
| 05:03 | space_librarian | :) |
| 05:07 | Brooke_ | cheers |
| 05:08 | cait | oh |
| 05:08 | it rains | |
| 05:08 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 05:08 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0�C (7:00 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:09 | eythian | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 05:09 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:09 | eythian | it doesn't mention the 50kph wind :( |
| 05:11 | Brooke_ | pfft |
| 05:11 | a fine thing for a sail :P | |
| 05:12 | druthb | @wunder 20852 |
| 05:12 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 22.0�C (1:14 AM EDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:27 | cait | eythian: bug! :) |
| 05:27 | eythian | cait: beetle? |
| 05:28 | oh yeah, that. I forgot. Another day, I think I'm getting sick. | |
| 05:28 | so am not going to hand around tonight | |
| 05:29 | cait | get better :) |
| 05:29 | eythian | I plan to try |
| 05:29 | *hang around tonight | |
| 05:29 | that makes more sense | |
| 05:29 | cait | it was only a friendly nudge - I am busy with this presentation too |
| 05:29 | eythian | OK :) |
| 05:33 | cait | but you know, bug wrangler's job is pestering people ;) |
| 05:34 | eythian | fair point :) |
| 05:34 | Brooke_ | I thought pestering was my domain :P |
| 05:35 | though I suppose I pester through humour. | |
| 05:35 | * eythian | goes away now, bye all |
| 05:35 | Brooke_ | Death by bullshite! |
| 05:35 | feel better. | |
| 05:35 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #232: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/232/ |
| 05:35 | Ian Walls: Bug 6259: AllowHoldPolicyOverride causes every hold to need override | |
| 05:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW, AllowHoldPolicyOverride ON causes every staff hold to require override |
| 05:40 | Brooke_ | bid! |
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| 05:48 | pianohacker | Hallo |
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| 05:50 | cait | hallo pianohacker :) |
| 05:51 | pianohacker | Hello, cait. How's it going? |
| 05:51 | Oak | \o |
| 05:52 | cait | I am good, long presentation tomorrow |
| 05:52 | Oak | long? |
| 05:55 | cait | 80 minutes |
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| 06:06 | Oak | good luck |
| 06:08 | cait | thx :) |
| 06:08 | wanted to show how dev works... will probably scare them | |
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| 06:25 | AmitG | heya cait |
| 06:26 | cait | hi AmitG |
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| 06:51 | francharb | bonjour all |
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| 07:02 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 07:03 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
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| 07:04 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 07:04 | kf | hi again #koha |
| 07:04 | magnuse | guten morgen kf |
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| 07:18 | kf | hi magnuse, hdl and sophie_m |
| 07:18 | sophie_m | Guten Tag kf |
| 07:20 | magnuse | bonjour biblibre |
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| 07:23 | kf | hm, question: library wants all information about fines deleted from system. good idea to truncate accountlines and delete fine related entries from statistics and action logs? or bad plan? |
| 07:24 | my test system looks ok, but I don't want to miss something | |
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| 07:26 | kf | hi paul_p |
| 07:26 | paul_p | hi kf |
| 07:27 | kf | paul_p: do you see a problem with truncating accontlines and removing fine related entries from statistics and action_logs? |
| 07:28 | paul_p | kf: you want to do that on one of your database ? |
| 07:28 | kf | yes |
| 07:29 | paul_p | I don't see any problem, but it's not the part of Koha I know the best |
| 07:29 | kf | the library starts collecting fines now and wants the old histories and writeoffs etc deleted |
| 07:33 | rangi | that should be fine kf |
| 07:35 | paul_p | I think that should be fine. Checked the DB quickly, and don't see any dependancy missed |
| 07:35 | rangi | id dump the tables first |
| 07:36 | just in case | |
| 07:42 | paul_p | my main fear is that some tables could have been forgotten and the DB being inconsistent :( |
| 07:42 | kf | rangi, paul_p: thx :) |
| 07:43 | paul_p: hm thought it should be pretty save - no items or borrowers deleted | |
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| 07:49 | kf | hi SpaceLibrarian_home |
| 07:50 | SpaceLibrarian_home | hey kf |
| 07:51 | magnuse | hiya SpaceLibrarian_home |
| 07:51 | SpaceLibrarian_home | hi magnuse :) |
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| 08:36 | AmitG | heya SpaceLirarian |
| 08:46 | SpaceLibrarian_home | hey AmitG |
| 08:47 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 08:47 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 PM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:47 | rangi | 11 my butt |
| 08:50 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:50 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.9�C (10:50 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:50 | kf | hmpf |
| 08:53 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:53 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:53 | magnuse | hm |
| 08:53 | @wunder marseille | |
| 08:53 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0�C (10:30 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:01 | magnuse | hiya Cybermon |
| 09:02 | Cybermon | hi all |
| 09:02 | kf | hi Cybermon |
| 09:03 | Cybermon | how are you ? |
| 09:10 | kf: where are you from ? | |
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| 09:47 | kf | Cybermon: sorry, busy day - I am from Germany |
| 09:50 | Cybermon | i see. don't worry. |
| 09:51 | all: thanks for creative support in Mongolian koha installation. :-) | |
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| 10:17 | * druthb | waves |
| 10:28 | * kf | waves |
| 10:28 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 10:28 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #60: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." (added by gmcharlt at 05:31 PM, February 19, 2010) |
| 10:28 | rangi | that was a short sleep gmcharlt |
| 10:29 | gmcharlt | heh, true |
| 10:32 | rangi | http://economictimes.indiatime[…]eshow/8099244.cms |
| 10:32 | going with windows 7 instead of android, really working out for them | |
| 10:33 | chilts | I can't imagine 7000 people getting laid off, that's massive |
| 10:33 | rangi | yeah its crazy eh |
| 10:34 | matts is now known as matts_away | |
| 10:36 | * magnuse | is almost ashamed to own a nokia - but hey, it's got Maemo! |
| 10:36 | rangi | nokia used to be cool, i think slef has one too |
| 10:37 | and liw | |
| 10:37 | i think he has to, being finnish, i think they give you one at birth :-) | |
| 10:37 | chilts | I have Nokia ... I like their classical interface 'coz it's fast |
| 10:38 | but I'm thinking of getting something else anyway | |
| 10:38 | rangi | the trick is finding a handset manufacturer who isnt mental |
| 10:39 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | used to have a Nokia. Now she has a Samsung running android... |
| 10:40 | chilts | I'll get Android when I stop being a luddite :) |
| 10:40 | maybe later in the year | |
| 10:40 | * chilts | has it planned |
| 10:40 | rangi | 2043 |
| 10:40 | chilts | heh |
| 10:40 | SpaceLibrarian_home | It's the prime reason I got a smart phone. |
| 10:41 | * druthb | figured out the second-best way to stay out of the whole iphone-vs-droid melee. |
| 10:41 | rangi | well theres not even a melee there |
| 10:41 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | wasn't going to sell anymore of her soul to apple. |
| 10:41 | rangi | theres supporting child labour and selling your soul to the devil |
| 10:41 | or theres android | |
| 10:41 | :) | |
| 10:41 | * magnuse | can't really imagine a better phone then nokia n900 with maemo (hey, it's based on debian!) |
| 10:42 | rangi | yeah n900 are really cool |
| 10:42 | * druthb | uses WebOS (Palm Pre Plus) |
| 10:42 | rangi | im 99% sure thats what liw has |
| 10:42 | magnuse | tangi: yeah i like to think so |
| 10:42 | rangi | and maybe slef too? |
| 10:42 | magnuse | or rangi, perhaps |
| 10:42 | rangi | heh |
| 10:42 | magnuse | rangi: i think slef has something with symbian on it |
| 10:43 | rangi | ahh right |
| 10:43 | magnuse | had in nz, at least |
| 10:48 | rangi | right i should go to sleep |
| 10:48 | chilts | ditto |
| 10:49 | SpaceLibrarian_home | yup |
| 10:49 | * rangi | wanders off |
| 10:49 | magnuse | good night, new zealand! |
| 10:49 | SpaceLibrarian_home | in the words of my horribly mangled and long disused second language.... goeie nag... |
| 10:50 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | turns off the lights. :) |
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| 11:00 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4959] Language inconsistencies on basket groups; skip confirmation when closing basket. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4959> |
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| 11:50 | nengard | does anyone know if biblioitems.publicationyear is actually populated? |
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| 11:53 | jcamins_away | nengard: pretty sure it isn't. |
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| 11:53 | nengard | that's my guess too |
| 11:54 | kf | nengard: check unimarc |
| 11:55 | nengard: I remember there was a difference between marc21 and unimarc mappings - I believe for marc21 it's probably copyrightyear | |
| 11:55 | nengard | yes the copyrightyear is populated |
| 11:55 | hdl | nengard: in marc21, you have copyrightdate and publicationyear |
| 11:56 | jcamins | What a great thing to discover... Myshkin broke a glass and the living room is covered in shards of glass. |
| 11:57 | nengard | :( |
| 11:58 | kf | hope myshkin is ok? |
| 11:59 | jcamins | Yeah, he seems fine, though angry that I won't let him play with the glass. |
| 12:02 | kf | didn't we have a cloud with things we love about koha (from kohacon, made by brooke) somewhere? |
| 12:04 | nengard | yes, brooke did have something like that |
| 12:04 | matts_away is now known as matts | |
| 12:05 | nengard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]File:Zecloud2.png |
| 12:06 | kf | cool, thx nengard! |
| 12:06 | nengard | np |
| 12:06 | kf | another question: I am searching for a school or special library with a nice catalog |
| 12:07 | druthb | University medical school library good? |
| 12:08 | * jcamins | is very glad that all his wine glasses are plastic. |
| 12:09 | kf | jcamins: plastic wine glasses? |
| 12:09 | druthb: link? | |
| 12:09 | druthb | http://beckercat.wustl.edu/ |
| 12:09 | jcamins | kf: yes, so that they won't break. |
| 12:09 | druthb | Nothing fancy, but I like it. |
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| 12:10 | conan | hi everyone |
| 12:10 | kf | druthb: I would say it's fancy - looks great |
| 12:11 | JesseM | druthb every time I see that OPAC i'm amazed |
| 12:12 | druthb | Yah. That's all done with sysprefs, of course--no custom templates or anything. |
| 12:13 | * kf | has to go css hunting when that presentation is over |
| 12:14 | jwagner | Not a school or special library, but http://scls.kohalibrary.com and one of its many member branches http://acl.scls.kohalibrary.com are quite nice. |
| 12:19 | kf | nengard: another question about the tag cloud - do you rmember the question? name 3 things you love about koha? |
| 12:20 | nengard | kf i'm sending you the email i found |
| 12:21 | kf | great |
| 12:21 | thank you all! | |
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| 12:28 | ether | hey guys |
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| 12:37 | jcamins | loopback_filesystems++ |
| 12:42 | tcohen | tmpfs++ |
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| 13:12 | mib_h2wz2x | hi there Koha friends:) |
| 13:17 | * kf | waves |
| 13:18 | mib_h2wz2x | guys it is possible in Koha to loan itens that are not for loan for some patron categorie? |
| 13:19 | (without activate AllowNotForLoanOverride) | |
| 13:19 | kf | no, without the override afaik not |
| 13:20 | what you can do is don't mark the itemtype not for loan but use only circ rules. Some categories can check out 0 of the item type, others more 1+ | |
| 13:21 | mib_h2wz2x | that solution doesn't work for me because of the library policy... |
| 13:22 | kf | ? |
| 13:23 | mib_h2wz2x | the solution of mark the itemtype not for loan |
| 13:23 | i'll have to activate the override policy | |
| 13:23 | jcamins | mib_h2wz2x: saying that certain patron categories can't check out any books of a certain itemtype is the same as saying those itemtypes are not for loan to those patron categories. |
| 13:24 | mib_h2wz2x | yes i know that but i need to have one type of category that can checkout everything even item marked as not for loan |
| 13:25 | jcamins | mib_h2wz2x: then the only way you can do that is with circ rules. |
| 13:26 | mib_h2wz2x | I have a rule for that but the items marked as not for loan can't be checkout... |
| 13:26 | jcamins | mib_h2wz2x: you shouldn't have any items marked not for loan. That's why you use circ rules. |
| 13:28 | mib_h2wz2x | But I have too... because some books can't get out of the library... they are used for statistical but the statistical user in Koha is very limited (doesn't saves the history) |
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| 13:28 | jcamins | mib_h2wz2x: I don't think you can have it both ways, sorry. |
| 13:29 | mib_h2wz2x | the only option is to activate the not for loan override policy... |
| 13:29 | jcamins | mib_h2wz2x: well, that's what you'll have to do, then. |
| 13:30 | mib_h2wz2x | thanks for the help anyway :) |
| 13:47 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 13:47 | is items.dateaccessioned the right place to search for 952$d? | |
| 13:49 | nengard? do u know? | |
| 13:51 | nengard | um |
| 13:51 | that would be my assumption .. but no i don't know for sure | |
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| 13:52 | tcohen | i tracked through C4/Items.pm and Biblio.pm and just when I arrived the default .sql files for frameworks found that |
| 13:53 | jcamins | tcohen: check your frameworks. |
| 13:55 | tcohen | jcamins: thanks, i found it already |
| 13:55 | I have to say that I got a bit worried about how it is handled | |
| 13:56 | if i manage to elaborate on this i'll post a comment on the list | |
| 14:07 | ether | i've being searching for hours to find a relevant comparison for ils but no luck |
| 14:14 | rhcl | Is anything informal planned for the Sunday before Monday (yea, that Sunday) before Kudos? |
| 14:14 | I coffee need. | |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | i'm getting in pretty late. |
| 14:15 | rhcl | I still don't know my itinerary for sure, but I think I leave MCI @ around 6 am 'ish. |
| 14:17 | jwagner | rhcl, I'm on a tight schedule -- coming in early Monday morning & leaving Tuesday afternoon. But I'd be interested in hearing who all is coming. |
| 14:17 | sekjal | rhcl: druthb, bg and I will be arriving later that Sunday afternoon/evening. nothing planned for that night as far as I know |
| 14:20 | druthb | I have a "drinks" plan for later Sunday evening, but my sked is clear for dinner. |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | where late = 10pm to the airport |
| 14:21 | rhcl | Where (what building) is the meeting? I'm looking through my notes and printouts and don't see that specific info. |
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| 14:22 | rhcl | Ha, maybe the Pyle Center is a specific building? |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | that's my understanding |
| 14:23 | http://conferencing.uwex.edu/location.cfm | |
| 14:25 | rhcl | http://tinyurl.com/pylecenter |
| 14:43 | kf | @quote 123 |
| 14:43 | huginn | kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 14:43 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 14:44 | jcamins | I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA? |
| 14:44 | kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA? | |
| 14:44 | Hm. | |
| 14:46 | wizzyrea | @quote get 123 |
| 14:46 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 14:46 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 14:53 | druthb | @quote random |
| 14:53 | huginn | druthb: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010) |
| 14:53 | druthb | lol |
| 14:53 | jcamins | #thingsihavelearnt if there? |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | if there? |
| 14:54 | * jcamins | wants to know what it is that wahanui is saving, that it keeps on protesting to huggin. |
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| 14:54 | wizzyrea | if there? |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Quote 123. I was wondering if wahanui had memorized that the answer to that was "is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | right |
| 15:04 | rhcl | isn't there a list somewhere of Koha development work that's waiting for funding |
| 15:05 | nengard | there is a status in bugzilla for that |
| 15:05 | but i'm not sure how often it's used | |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/ |
| 15:05 | nengard | there are also the RFCs on the wiki |
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| 15:20 | rhcl | huginn needs an apropos argument, something like: >hugging apropos bug about customizable receipts |
| 15:20 | huginn | rhcl: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:20 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
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| 15:42 | mib_oannkf | hi guys :) |
| 15:43 | tell me one thing... it is possible to block holds/reserves on biblio that have items available? | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Yes, use an item type that doesn't permit holds. |
| 15:47 | mib_oannkf | on the biblioitem? |
| 15:47 | jcamins | On the items. |
| 15:48 | mib_oannkf | but I want the items to be reserved... |
| 15:48 | jcamins | mib_oannkf: you're going to have to explain what you want. |
| 15:49 | mib_oannkf | the problem is if a biblio has 4 items and 1 is checked out it's possible to reserve that item... but there is 3 items available, to there is no need to allow reservation... |
| 15:50 | kf | allowonshelfholds |
| 15:50 | off | |
| 15:50 | like me now :) see you all later | |
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| 15:51 | mib_oannkf | allowonshelfholds is off |
| 15:52 | jcamins | mib_oannkf: I don't think it's possible to do what you want. |
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| 15:52 | mib_oannkf | :/ |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | i'm pretty excited about intranetuserCSS |
| 16:25 | :P | |
| 16:28 | nengard | wizzyrea are you doing something pretty? |
| 16:28 | wizzyrea | not yet ^.^ |
| 16:29 | nengard, question for you | |
| 16:29 | nengard | k |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | do you know where the "add address /phone to slips" is done? |
| 16:30 | nengard | i think it's command line ... cause i've never seen it in the gui |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 16:30 | nengard | but i think gmcharlt wrote that or signed off on that |
| 16:30 | so he might know better | |
| 16:30 | and once he tells us i can put it in the manual :) | |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | kk ty |
| 16:36 | rhcl | administration - libraries,branches,groups - edit branch |
| 16:36 | ? | |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | there's nothing obvious in there to me that says "put this on the slip" |
| 16:37 | rhcl | maybe that's why it's apparently improved for 3.4? |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | i'm looking at 3.4 |
| 16:38 | rhcl | that's how we're doing it currently in 3.2 |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | mmm I have addresses in there |
| 16:39 | and they're not on the slip | |
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| 16:40 | cait | hi again #koha |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | I just double checked that, and in fact the branch addresses are not on the slip |
| 16:42 | rhcl | Well, i donno |
| 16:44 | wizzyrea | i'm trying it another way... sec |
| 16:45 | also interesting is the fact that in multi-branch systems the receipts print the home library of the patron, not the set library | |
| 16:49 | hdl | i think it is displaying the CircControlBranch library |
| 16:50 | (the branch where the issue belongs.) | |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 16:50 | that's what I would have expected too | |
| 16:51 | but this circ belonged to library A, for patron 1, and patron 1 had a home library of library b. Library b was printed on the receipt | |
| 16:51 | circcontrol is set to... | |
| 16:52 | use the checkout rules of the library you are logged in at | |
| 16:52 | so, that slip should have printed library A, not library B | |
| 16:52 | cait | hm |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | (imo) |
| 16:52 | cait | I woul dexpect it to be the library where the item is checked out and returned |
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| 16:54 | cait | perhaps naive :) |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | I think that's what I would expect too |
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| 16:56 | sekjal | was discussing this with some folks last night, but wanted to bring it up with the day crowd: checking in multiple items and not confirming holds. problem? |
| 16:57 | cait | our libraries are too small and use self checks |
| 16:57 | s/and/or | |
| 16:57 | sekjal | I mean, if you're just scanning in book after book, it's very easy to scan past the holds notification confirmation box, which means the hold is never marked as 'waiting' for the next person |
| 16:59 | cait | hm |
| 16:59 | sekjal | is it a problem with Koha that you can just keep scanning in these materials without dealing with the confirmation box? or is it a problem with the practices of the library staff? |
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| 17:02 | jcamins | wizzyrea: does that page actually print, though? |
| 17:03 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 17:03 | i just tried it | |
| 17:03 | does it not work? | |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Apparently it does. |
| 17:04 | Never mind. | |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | oh you know what though |
| 17:05 | there's some duplicate stuff in there that shouldn't be | |
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| 17:07 | wizzyrea | urg. |
| 17:10 | meh. forget I sent that | |
| 17:10 | i'm going to have to do it over | |
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| 17:16 | adnc | hello koha |
| 17:22 | ether | i enabled ldap auth an when i try to login as a ldap user i get this. Software error: |
| 17:22 | AddMember failed at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 152. | |
| 17:22 | help!!! | |
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| 17:24 | sekjal | ether: so it looks like you're getting as far as the bind, which is good |
| 17:25 | probably trouble with your <mapping> | |
| 17:25 | do you have patron category and branchcode mapped? | |
| 17:25 | ether | yes i think i do |
| 17:26 | <mapping> <!-- match koha SQL field names to your LDAP record field names --> | |
| 17:26 | <firstname is="givenname" ></firstname> | |
| 17:26 | <surname is="sn" ></surname> | |
| 17:26 | <address is="postaladdress" ></address> | |
| 17:26 | <city is="l" >Kingston, JM</city> | |
| 17:26 | <zipcode is="postalcode" ></zipcode> | |
| 17:26 | <branchcode is="branch" >MAIN</branchcode> | |
| 17:26 | <userid is="uid" ></userid> | |
| 17:26 | <password is="userpassword" ></password> | |
| 17:26 | <email is="mail" ></email> | |
| 17:26 | <cardnumber is="userpassword" ></cardnumber> | |
| 17:26 | <categorycode is="employeetype" >PT</categorycode> | |
| 17:26 | <phone is="telephonenumber"></phone> | |
| 17:26 | </mapping> | |
| 17:27 | i have cardnumber as password becuz all users have thier id as password for now ;) | |
| 17:28 | sekjal | do you have a MAIN branchcode and PT categorycode configured? |
| 17:28 | ether | let me double check |
| 17:31 | hmm branchcode needs change hmm ;) copy paste | |
| 17:32 | YUP that was it how i didnt see that | |
| 17:32 | lol | |
| 17:32 | thx sekjal | |
| 17:32 | sekjal | gladly, ether! |
| 17:35 | tcohen | do some1 know what qslip and slip differ on? |
| 17:35 | sekjal | quickslip is just today's checkouts; slip has all the currently checked out items |
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| 17:39 | tcohen | thanks sekjañl |
| 17:39 | sekjal | |
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| 17:44 | cait | sekjal++ |
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| 17:52 | adnc | rangi, ping! |
| 17:54 | rangi | who is pinging me at 6am? |
| 17:54 | :) | |
| 17:54 | cait | go back to bed! :) |
| 17:55 | adnc | ohh |
| 17:56 | sorry, didn't know you are on a different time zone. go to bed again, ;) | |
| 17:58 | cait, nich gut ne ;) | |
| 18:03 | hdl | sekjal: if you can checkout circulation branches or see the commits we did, there is something done about checking in multiple items and holds management. |
| 18:05 | cait | adnc: Ich glaube, er war schon wach ;) |
| 18:05 | adnc | ;) |
| 18:06 | hdl | you can see http://borrowers34.git.biblibr[…]/koha/mainpage.pl test test |
| 18:07 | you can do whatever you want import some records... and you can test | |
| 18:07 | sekjal | hdl: thanks! |
| 18:07 | the problem with the blind checking in of items comes down to the same problem as the bulk return from the patron detail page... | |
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| 18:12 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 18:13 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.0�C (11:15 AM PDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 18:20 | ether | sekjal, my ldap has a attribute thats multivalued, is there a way to have koha only retrieve only one of its values? |
| 18:21 | sekjal | ether: there isn't any code to specify which attribute to use, so it would default to whatever Net::LDAP returned. |
| 18:24 | ether | ok so i would have to edit the code in authldap.pm, and check the key after it retrieved that particular mapping in order to have the split, hmm too static, too much hassle for just one value |
| 18:27 | adnc | which table is the barcode stored? |
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| 18:27 | sekjal | adnc: item barcode or patron barcode? |
| 18:28 | adnc | sekjal, item barcode |
| 18:28 | sekjal | items table |
| 18:28 | items.barcode | |
| 18:28 | adnc | thanks |
| 18:28 | sekjal | gladly |
| 18:31 | ether | sekjal, can koha update userpass in the ldap? |
| 18:32 | sekjal | ether: I don't believe that Koha can update any information in the LDAP... the data flow is only from LDAP to Koha |
| 18:32 | ether | ok thx |
| 18:34 | i'll have to ensure the users know that pw changes in koha wont stick then..will try find a way to redirect pw changes to ldap | |
| 18:34 | library_systems_guy | sekjal, you're right if you are just talking about default functionality (IE without code mods) |
| 18:34 | sekjal | ether: the LDAP password will overwrite whatever local password is in Koha |
| 18:34 | ether | would love if it was done from koha though |
| 18:35 | i realize it will | |
| 18:35 | library_systems_guy | sekjal, what if update is turned off |
| 18:35 | and just replicate is on | |
| 18:35 | cait | ether: I think there is an option to hide the password change |
| 18:35 | in koha | |
| 18:35 | library_systems_guy | *thinks cait has the best idea |
| 18:35 | cait | I am on the wrong computer - can't check hot it's called |
| 18:35 | ether | given update is set at 1 and chain of checkk is ldap-->local..etc |
| 18:35 | sekjal | library_systems_guy: I believe even then it will update the password |
| 18:36 | library_systems_guy | hmm, I thought if update was off it would only poll ldap if the user didn't exist in the koha db |
| 18:36 | sekjal | LDAP is checked first, then it falls back to local Koha authentication |
| 18:36 | ether | i think so too |
| 18:36 | library_systems_guy | oh boo |
| 18:37 | i promise thats the last time ill be wrong today :-/ | |
| 18:37 | jcamins | sekjal: wait, it already falls back to local Koha authentication? |
| 18:37 | ether | but i have other system integrated with this ldap that'll make changes from time to time some i want update/replicate |
| 18:37 | jcamins | Cool! |
| 18:38 | library_systems_guy | jcamins, yeah otherwise people that didn't exists in ldap koha wouldn't care about |
| 18:39 | ether | i suspect the call to update ldap password shouldnt be difficult though |
| 18:39 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: yeah, I know. I was just talking yesterday with someone about how much sense it would make if Koha automatically fell back to the Koha db if LDAP failed. |
| 18:39 | library_systems_guy | heh |
| 18:39 | ether | should be in net:ldap |
| 18:39 | sekjal | interesting issue with LDAP and passwords: If you update your password in LDAP, you'll still be able to log into Koha with the old password until you log in with the new one |
| 18:39 | library_systems_guy | ether, should be provided that the user you're using for the bind has the correct permissions in ldap |
| 18:40 | ether | currently thats where i have an issue |
| 18:40 | library_systems_guy | sekjal, really? Well i suppose that makes sense |
| 18:40 | adnc | UPDATE items SET barcode = ( SELECT @c := @c + 1) ORDER BY itemnumber ASC; |
| 18:40 | sorry | |
| 18:41 | sekjal | since the LDAP auth fails, it falls back to authenticating against Koha, and since Koha keeps a hashed copy of the LDAP password the last successfully authenticated |
| 18:42 | the solution is probably to enable a way to tell Koha not to store that local password value | |
| 18:42 | so if LDAP auth fails, you can't get into that account at all | |
| 18:42 | ether | the user i used for the bind i had hoped would be used just for locating the bind of the user to be logged in, after locating that bind i had expected a rebind using the current user bind and supplied password |
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| 18:43 | ether | this as my ldap allows each user access to change their password |
| 18:44 | maybe koha could either store the current user bind and used it to bind and change the password with ldap if necessary | |
| 18:46 | library_systems_guy | sekjal, have you told ether the problems you may face with updating after code changes locally? |
| 18:46 | sekjal | library_systems_guy: hasn't come up yet |
| 18:47 | ether: are you familiar with git? | |
| 18:47 | rangi | for god sakes use git |
| 18:47 | is the answer | |
| 18:47 | library_systems_guy | why do we even offer the tarbell |
| 18:47 | sekjal | hi, rangi! |
| 18:47 | rangi | library_systems_guy: you are joking right? |
| 18:48 | 99.9% of koha users run from a release unchanged | |
| 18:48 | library_systems_guy | oh... |
| 18:48 | rangi | its only a few who modify locally |
| 18:48 | wizzyrea | and if you don't do that, for god's sake use git |
| 18:49 | rangi | and only the crazy ones dont use version control |
| 18:49 | wizzyrea | (and have the horror stories to prove it ;)) |
| 18:49 | * jcamins | is crazy, but he uses version control. |
| 18:49 | ether | yes i did a git change on the ubuntu docs before, my difficulty is understanding those perl codes ..in dont know perl well and i notice alot of mnemonic of perl that i need to go figure |
| 18:50 | rangi | the real win, is general solutions that you send upstream |
| 18:50 | then u dont have local changes | |
| 18:51 | ether | i did a quick 3hr crash on perl but i already forgotten what i learnt |
| 18:51 | cait | general_solutions++ |
| 18:51 | and you will make other libraries happy too :) | |
| 18:52 | sekjal | ether: I HIGHLY recommend you use Git for any local changes you make. This'll make it easier to test things out without risk of breakage, and any solution you come up with can be propogated into future releases (or better yet, contributed back to Koha!) |
| 18:53 | jcamins | ether: what everyone is trying to say is, "take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git.'" :D |
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| 18:55 | rangi | or you could save time and just slam your head on the desk multiple times now, cos without tracking ur changes, ull be doing that after trying to upgrade |
| 18:55 | ether | i will do like you say...just that it will take time to get familiar with whats being done in those perl codes, i know howto using the ldaputils but to transition it to perl is where i'll have a challenge |
| 18:55 | rangi | :) |
| 18:56 | cait | lol |
| 18:57 | * jcamins | likes his slogan. Maybe that should be one of the Koha mantras. |
| 18:57 | cait | you don't need perl knowledge for using git :) |
| 18:57 | magnuse | someone add that bit about slamming ones head to the quotes, please? ;-) |
| 18:57 | library_systems_guy | nor is any knowledge of svn useful lol |
| 18:58 | ether | i know , wasnt refering to git but to actual changing of the codes |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | @quote add jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git. |
| 18:59 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #129 added. |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | @quote add rangi: or you could save time and just slam your head on the desk multiple times now, cos without tracking ur changes, ull be doing that after trying to upgrade |
| 19:00 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #130 added. |
| 19:00 | magnuse | thanks wizzyrea (not sure i am registered with huginn...) |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | u got it ;) |
| 19:02 | * magnuse | just installed ubuntu on his mac mini - and must get a real keyboard tomorrow... |
| 19:02 | rangi | ohh lindas question on the mailing list |
| 19:02 | good timing | |
| 19:03 | bbiab | |
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| 19:05 | * cait | waves |
| 19:05 | magnuse | o/ |
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| 19:07 | sekjal | back in a little bit, #koha |
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| 19:10 | magnuse | kia ora nengard |
| 19:10 | nengard | :) |
| 19:10 | cait | hi nengard |
| 19:12 | ether | is there any code documentation? |
| 19:17 | library_systems_guy | ether, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ory:Documentation |
| 19:17 | i suppose other than that the codedoc is just in the code | |
| 19:17 | magnuse | ether: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ |
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| 19:22 | NCARMichael | yello there |
| 19:23 | magnuse | yello to you too NCARMichael ;-) |
| 19:24 | rangi | blue there :) |
| 19:24 | NCARMichael | i observed sthg this morning whilst using the Inventory Tool...thought perhaps I'd see what others thought. |
| 19:24 | (waiting for someone to say yello + blue = green there) | |
| 19:24 | anyhoo | |
| 19:25 | yeah, so Inventory ordering... | |
| 19:25 | I plug in a call no range and it gives me a nice list of items | |
| 19:25 | and they're KIND of in order | |
| 19:25 | but not really | |
| 19:25 | jcamins | Dewey sorting funny? |
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| 19:26 | jcamins | 245.01 before 245? |
| 19:26 | NCARMichael | Yeah. It's closest to a Dewey sort (and actually, I'd love to able to change it to LOC instead), but sometimes it does weird things. |
| 19:26 | maybe. i should go grab some examples. | |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Please. |
| 19:27 | NCARMichael | k. standby. |
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| 19:28 | NCARMichael | I suppose it could be standard Dewey and I'm just so LOC-oriented that I look at a Dewey sort and call it wrong. |
| 19:30 | tcohen | rangi: is rebuild_zebra.pl broken in master? |
| 19:31 | jcamins | NCARMichael: there was a very recent fix of Dewey sorting. |
| 19:31 | lcc sorting should work fine, though. | |
| 19:31 | tcohen | </datafield> |
| 19:31 | sion="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> | |
| 19:31 | <record | |
| 19:31 | NCARMichael | okay, so it puts QC995 .E29 1997 before QC100 .U57 NO. 555 1986 |
| 19:32 | is that Dewey? | |
| 19:32 | rangi | tcohen: nope at least it wasn't when I went to sleep |
| 19:32 | jcamins | NCARMichael: No, I think that's just weird. ;) |
| 19:33 | tcohen | how do i use pastebot? |
| 19:33 | NCARMichael | and QC145.45 .H4 D65 1998 is before QC145 .A57 V.12 1980 |
| 19:33 | rangi | paste.koha-community.org |
| 19:34 | tcohen: have u recently upgraded? | |
| 19:35 | jcamins | NCARMichael: hm. That looks like the same problem that the Dewey sort had. |
| 19:35 | NCARMichael | well, i guess i'll send Galen an email and have him take a look. Do you know if there's a way to have my Koha instance use LOC instead of Dewey for the Inv Tool? |
| 19:35 | tcohen | rangi: i'm just working on a tools for checking records for troubles |
| 19:35 | (in master) | |
| 19:35 | jcamins | NCARMichael: it should automatically use lcc if that's what you've selected as your call number system. |
| 19:36 | rangi | and not run the script to remove items from biblio? |
| 19:36 | tcohen | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 19:36 | jcamins | NCARMichael: Check DefaultClassificationSource. |
| 19:36 | tcohen | i'm sorry for that.... |
| 19:36 | NCARMichael | i'll take a look |
| 19:36 | liw | rangi, I no longer have the n900, Soile has it now; I have a nexus one, and I'm not sure which one is worse |
| 19:37 | rangi | liw: hehe |
| 19:37 | tcohen | the problem i faced was that THE script failed because of bad records... |
| 19:37 | nengard | wizzyrea around? |
| 19:37 | rangi | tcohen: ah yep that happens |
| 19:37 | tcohen | i'll use the previous rebuild_zebra as a basis... |
| 19:37 | thanks rangi | |
| 19:38 | rangi | in master, you need to have a db that has the item info out of the biblio |
| 19:38 | NCARMichael | whoa, default class source was set to ANSCR(!) |
| 19:38 | rangi | or you will just get messy results |
| 19:39 | so a fresh install is fine, new records fine, but if you come from an older db check the UPGRADE section of the INSTALL file | |
| 19:39 | NCARMichael | hm, it's still whacked. |
| 19:40 | i'll have Galen take a look. | |
| 19:40 | jcamins | NCARMichael: I'm not even sure what ANSCR is. |
| 19:41 | For sound recordings? | |
| 19:41 | Huh. | |
| 19:41 | NCARMichael | Koha says it's for sound recordings |
| 19:41 | yeah | |
| 19:41 | what you said | |
| 19:41 | anyway | |
| 19:41 | thx 4 your moral support ;) | |
| 19:42 | at least i know i'm not crazy | |
| 19:42 | well, at least in THIS respect | |
| 19:42 | rangi | man the suspension on this bus is whacked out |
| 19:43 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 19:43 | rangi | if I go quiet its cos I bounced out the roof |
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| 19:44 | magnuse | hang in there rangi! |
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| 19:47 | adnc | rangi, packaged koha 3.4? |
| 19:47 | ;) | |
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| 19:48 | rangi | no |
| 19:48 | NCARMichael left #koha | |
| 19:48 | rangi | there is a perl module that needs packaging first |
| 19:48 | jcamins | rangi: what Perl module is missing? |
| 19:49 | rangi | which eythian is working on, have to do it right, for it to be accepted into debian |
| 19:49 | cgi::session::memcached | |
| 19:49 | jcamins | rangi: ah. |
| 19:49 | rangi | once that is done, eythian will work on the main package |
| 19:50 | nonfunded work .. means it has to be done round the edges of what we are paid to do, but we'll get there | |
| 19:51 | magnuse | yay! |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Is that a new dependency? |
| 19:52 | rangi | once its done for 3.4.0 3.4.1 becomes a bunch easier |
| 19:52 | yes | |
| 19:53 | its not required, but running it with memcached is a ton faster than storing sessions in mysql | |
| 19:54 | the other thing for 3.4.0 is the remove items from biblio script, and using something like debconf note to tell ppl to run it if they are upgrading | |
| 19:54 | which we might end up asking liw questions about :) | |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Why can't you just do a koha-for-all remove_items_from_biblioitems? |
| 19:55 | rangi | cos it takes ages |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:55 | Hm. | |
| 19:55 | rangi | specially with big koha, or lots of them |
| 19:56 | jcamins | Yeah, that does make sense. |
| 19:57 | rangi | ok my stop |
| 19:57 | bbiab | |
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| 20:02 | rangi | back |
| 20:09 | chris_n: you about? | |
| 20:15 | sekjal | rangi: did we recently bump minimum perl version for Koha to 5.10 for Koha 3.4? |
| 20:15 | rangi | no |
| 20:17 | sekjal | okay, there is a dependency on a perl 5.10 operator in C4::Search that breaks make test on perl 5.8.8 |
| 20:17 | introduced with commit 265ed53f | |
| 20:18 | rangi | we talked about it, but i dont think it was ever formally decided |
| 20:18 | the ~~ ? | |
| 20:18 | sekjal | I was reading the discussion, and we agreed to keep it at 5.8.8 for 3.0 and 3.2 |
| 20:18 | rangi: yes, the ~~ | |
| 20:18 | rangi | yeah, send a patch for that |
| 20:19 | i should have caught that | |
| 20:19 | its pretty hard to find a new machine with 5.8.8 on it these days, but we shouldnt break things without warning | |
| 20:20 | and not just for one operator :) | |
| 20:20 | at the next meeting ill propose we go for 5.10 in 3.6.x | |
| 20:21 | so we can just patch the 3.4.x branch | |
| 20:21 | sound like a plan? | |
| 20:21 | sekjal | we're doing an installation on Red Hat 5.6 |
| 20:21 | rangi | oh god poor you |
| 20:21 | sekjal | sounds good |
| 20:21 | for the install, we're going to try upgrading perl to 5.10 first | |
| 20:21 | rangi | the old we only do security on this tiny subset of of packages |
| 20:21 | redhat | |
| 20:22 | sekjal | but I'll work up a patch for perl 5.8.8 compatability |
| 20:22 | rangi | sekjal: do they have a support agreement |
| 20:22 | ? | |
| 20:22 | you need to be careful what you ugprade on redhat if they do | |
| 20:22 | sekjal | it's their campus-wide solution |
| 20:22 | so I assume so | |
| 20:22 | I'll talk to their local IT guys | |
| 20:22 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:23 | the contract is pretty specific about what packages they support | |
| 20:23 | upgrading perl, might put it out of support | |
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| 20:42 | sekjal is now known as sekjal_away | |
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| 20:55 | space_librarian | morning #koha :) |
| 20:56 | magnuse | gday space_librarian |
| 20:58 | cait | hi space_librarian |
| 20:58 | space_librarian | hey cait, magnuse |
| 20:58 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 20:58 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.9�C (2:00 PM PDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:59 | rangi | man, im looking forward to june |
| 20:59 | * space_librarian | is envious |
| 21:00 | * jcamins | too... Budapest, Baton Rouge, and New Orleans. |
| 21:01 | magnuse is now known as magnus_away | |
| 21:03 | * jcamins | thinks the weather will be nicer in Budapest than Baton Rouge and New Orleans. |
| 21:04 | jcamins | He hopes it will be, anyway. |
| 21:05 | * space_librarian | agrees with jcamins |
| 21:05 | space_librarian | less humid, anyway |
| 21:07 | jcamins | Yeah, looks like June is summer. :( |
| 21:08 | rangi | ill take hot over cold any day |
| 21:08 | i can always go sit in a pool when its hot | |
| 21:08 | * jcamins | would prefer temperate |
| 21:11 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3543: split NLM call numbers in label creator <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c072cf6ba05b20c0b> |
| 21:14 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 233 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 21:26 | rangi | wahanui: 1 + 3 + 51 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 9 + 72 + 27 + 34 + 8 + 12 |
| 21:26 | wahanui | 222 |
| 21:30 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_away | |
| 21:33 | cait | cool trick with wahanui |
| 21:34 | rangi | yep, handy |
| 21:34 | wahanui: 1293/4 | |
| 21:34 | wahanui | 323.25 |
| 21:40 | druthb | wahanui: 4^4 |
| 21:40 | wahanui: 4**4 | |
| 21:40 | wahanui | 256 |
| 21:40 | druthb | ah-hah. |
| 21:40 | * druthb | thinks. |
| 21:41 | druthb | wahanui: sqrt(16) |
| 21:41 | wahanui | druthb: what? |
| 21:41 | druthb | I thought not. |
| 21:41 | jcamins_away | wahanui: 16**0.5 |
| 21:41 | wahanui | 4 |
| 21:41 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack cookie |
| 21:41 | wahanui | :) |
| 21:41 | druthb | jcamins++ |
| 21:45 | space_librarian | feeding the bots again? I think I like a bot calculator on hand. :) |
| 21:46 | druthb | hi, space_librarian! |
| 21:46 | librariansnack cookie :) | |
| 21:46 | space_librarian | nom nom nom. :) |
| 21:47 | hey druthb! :D Thanks for the cookie. | |
| 21:48 | rangi | man, its still freezing in here |
| 21:48 | space_librarian | I came prepared today: I brought a hoodie to work! |
| 21:48 | cait | cookie? |
| 21:48 | rangi | me too |
| 21:49 | also, drumstep keeps me warm, with its super mega death ray goodness | |
| 21:49 | http://soundcloud.com/figure/f[…]er-mega-death-ray | |
| 21:49 | cait | temperature here dropped about 10 degrees from yesterday to today |
| 21:50 | brr | |
| 21:50 | space_librarian | rangi: that is pretty damn cool. |
| 21:50 | rangi | its got the power to enslave the whole human race!! |
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| 21:53 | space_librarian | i can believe that... |
| 21:54 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #233: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/233/ |
| 21:54 | Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3543: split NLM call numbers in label creator | |
| 21:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3543 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Spine labels - NLM call numbers not splitting |
| 21:58 | cait | no cookies - time to go to bed |
| 21:58 | bye all | |
| 21:58 | rangi | night cait |
| 21:58 | cait | night rangi and thx :) |
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| 22:32 | biorisk | i try to install koha and i have a error when i try to run koha |
| 22:32 | this is my error log: Can't locate Net/SMTP/SSL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/intranet/modules /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/modules/C4/AR/Mail.pm line 28. | |
| 22:33 | rangi | looks like you missed installing some things |
| 22:33 | what version of Koha, and on what version of linux? | |
| 22:35 | biorisk | koha version is 2.2.0 and ubuntu 10.10 |
| 22:37 | eythian | biorisk: on a scale of 1 to old, 2.2.0 is prehistoric. |
| 22:37 | rangi | yes, where did you even get a copy of it? :) |
| 22:38 | biorisk | when i try to install Net::SMTP::SSL show me an error with IO::Socket::SSL dependance |
| 22:39 | rangi | yeah, dont try to install koha 2.2.0 |
| 22:39 | biorisk | ok |
| 22:39 | rangi | its 6 years old |
| 22:39 | and about 30 versions ago | |
| 22:39 | biorisk | woww |
| 22:39 | * rangi | is curious where you even got a copy of it from |
| 22:40 | rangi | for a brand new install, i would suggest install koha 3.4.0 |
| 22:40 | biorisk | from here http://koha.linti.unlp.edu.ar/descargas |
| 22:40 | rangi | ah yeah, someone hasnt updated their webiste in a long long time obviously :) |
| 22:41 | biorisk: do you want to run it in spanish? | |
| 22:41 | biorisk | do you know a repository to install koha in debian like? |
| 22:41 | rangi | yes |
| 22:41 | http://debian.koha-community.org/ | |
| 22:41 | biorisk | i try it |
| 22:41 | thanks | |
| 22:41 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 22:42 | ahh the .koha-community.org sites are the official ones, so its best to get things from there | |
| 22:42 | that way we can help you | |
| 22:43 | biorisk | ok thank you |
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| 22:51 | sekjal_away | bug 6274: opinions? |
| 22:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6274 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Permanent storage of user-uploaded files |
| 22:52 | rangi | you are going to run into permissions problems |
| 22:52 | the packages use an apache2 that can do suexec (mpm-itk) | |
| 22:53 | which would allow for a modicum of security, at least the koha could only trash its own files, not anything owned by www-data | |
| 22:54 | any script that does uploading, needs to make sure its using taint, and doing lots of other checks | |
| 22:54 | with those cavaets, i can see it could be useful for xslt etc/css/images etc | |
| 22:54 | sekjal_away | good point. it's a non-trivial project, but it will open the doors to SOOOOOO many other enhancements. |
| 22:55 | sekjal_away is now known as sekjal | |
| 22:55 | rangi | yep, has to be done right(tm) tho, or it opens the door to much hackage |
| 22:57 | sekjal | surely this is a problem that's already been solved by other perl hackers |
| 22:58 | rangi | yes |
| 22:58 | its also been done wrong by plenty of people | |
| 22:58 | just pick the right one :) | |
| 23:00 | sekjal | agreed. |
| 23:11 | okay, must obtain food | |
| 23:11 | goodnight, #koha! | |
| 23:11 | sekjal left #koha | |
| 23:11 | brendan_ | night ian |
| 23:13 | @wunder washington, dc | |
| 23:13 | huginn | brendan_: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 24.8�C (7:14 PM EDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising). Tornado Watch 240 in effect until 2 am EDT Thursday... |
| 23:13 | brendan_ | bummer |
| 23:14 | let's compare that to here -- | |
| 23:14 | rangi | they get tornadoes in DC? |
| 23:14 | brendan_ | @wunder 93109 |
| 23:14 | huginn | brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 21.2�C (4:16 PM PDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:14 | rangi | i never knew |
| 23:14 | brendan_ | I guess 240 of them |
| 23:14 | bummer the Mets should move their baseball team here - never get any rainouts :) | |
| 23:15 | rangi | hehe |
| 23:38 | space_librarian | cool. I see a tornado just touched down near Quantico... sounds entertaining. :\ |
| 23:52 | eythian | Don't suppose anyone feels like doing a signoff on Bug 5509 for me...:) |
| 23:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5509 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Packaging scripts get upset when there's an LDAP configuration in the koha_conf.xml |
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