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| 00:40 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009) |
| 01:06 | brendan_ | @wunder 93109 |
| 01:06 | huginn | brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.4�C (6:07 PM PDT on April 25, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... |
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| 01:22 | druthb | o/ |
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| 02:20 | glernil | good day! |
| 02:21 | I'm configuring koha to send notifications to patrons upon checking in and checking out an item but i'm stuck with a problem | |
| 02:21 | I have ssmtp as my MTA and gmail as my email server | |
| 02:22 | i already added process_message_queue to the crontab which i set every hour | |
| 02:23 | i'm recieving the following message in my gmail inbox | |
| 02:23 | Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28. | |
| 02:23 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28. | |
| 02:24 | I can send email message through the commandline | |
| 02:25 | gmcharlt | glernil: make sure you set PERL5LIB in the crontab |
| 02:25 | glernil | oops.. how? |
| 02:26 | how frequent? | |
| 02:29 | gmcharlt | how frequently to run process_message_queue.pl? every few minutes or so |
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| 02:44 | Brooke_ | 0/ |
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| 02:54 | Brooke_ | 0/ |
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| 03:07 | * Brooke_ | smiles. |
| 03:08 | Brooke_ | Ça va? |
| 03:08 | hdl | hi Brooke_. |
| 03:09 | Well. | |
| 03:09 | Brooke_ | you are beating the roosters to dawn. |
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| 03:27 | AmitG | heya all |
| 03:27 | Brooke_ | hey there |
| 03:28 | AmitG | heya brooke |
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| 03:28 | druthb | o/ |
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| 04:19 | * Brooke_ | waves to cait |
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| 04:19 | Brooke_ | hey oak |
| 04:20 | Oak | Hello Brooke_ :) good to see you |
| 04:20 | Brooke_ | likewise |
| 04:20 | Oak | oh thanks |
| 04:20 | cait | hi Brooke_ and Oak :) |
| 04:20 | Oak | hi cait :) hi koha |
| 04:32 | hdl | hi cait |
| 04:32 | cait | hi hdl |
| 04:40 | Brooke_ | bid! |
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| 04:48 | * eythian | packages some of Koha's newer dependencies... |
| 04:49 | eythian | cait: there isn't one yet, I should make one though. |
| 04:49 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 04:50 | if you make one I coud link some of the old and ugly things to it | |
| 04:50 | eythian | sure. I'll do that tomorrow. |
| 05:00 | cait | cool |
| 05:09 | how was the long weekend? | |
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| 05:22 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6190> |
| 05:33 | cait | hm |
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| 05:52 | AmitG | heya all |
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| 05:54 | glernil | good day! |
| 05:54 | eythian | cait: it was nice and quiet |
| 05:55 | glernil | after i installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons |
| 05:57 | AmitG | heya glernil |
| 05:57 | glernil | hello |
| 05:58 | after I installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons | |
| 05:59 | AmitG | glernil u installed your mail server |
| 05:59 | postfix or sendmail | |
| 05:59 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 05:59 | glernil | i'm using ssmtp as my MTA and my smtp server is gmail. |
| 06:00 | i can send email using the command line and i already used the crontab. xample | |
| 06:00 | eythian | glernil: are messages getting into the messages table? |
| 06:00 | glernil | how can i see if it goes there? |
| 06:00 | eythian | (i.e. is the problem sending email, or generating emails) |
| 06:00 | I think there's a way through the UI... | |
| 06:00 | AmitG | message_queue table |
| 06:00 | * eythian | checks |
| 06:01 | eythian | yeah, if you're handy to the database, have a look in message_queue |
| 06:01 | glernil | i just can't see what is the main problem here but when i check the account of the user after checking out there is no notice being sent |
| 06:03 | magnuse | glernil: you said you got "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC"? that might mean you need to set some variable in your crontab |
| 06:03 | eythian | Oh, I missed that one. Yeah, that'll make a difference. |
| 06:03 | magnuse | see lines 21 and 22 here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]acba8f243;hb=HEAD |
| 06:05 | eythian | hmm, maybe the viewing of the message logs is a figment of my imagaination... |
| 06:06 | cait | eythian: the messaging/notices tab in patron account |
| 06:08 | glernil | magnuse: i already did that. |
| 06:09 | magnuse | glernil: and did that get rid of the "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC" messages? |
| 06:10 | glernil | yes... no more errors in my inbox |
| 06:10 | eythian | cait: I was thinking that there was something that showed you the whole list. I guess I just use the database. |
| 06:10 | cait | I use a saved report, but I don't think there is a built in access to the whole list |
| 06:11 | glernil | eythian: there are no new messages inside the table message_queue |
| 06:11 | cait | glernil: did you update and it worked before? |
| 06:12 | eythian | glernil: OK, that suggests that your messages aren't being generated. Have you checked through the rules to see if stuff has changed that might be causing them to not happen? |
| 06:16 | glernil | where should i check? |
| 06:17 | item circulation alerts are all green | |
| 06:18 | eythian | hmm, not sure. Patron categories set to send overdues? |
| 06:19 | also, any errors showing up in the cron logs? | |
| 06:21 | glernil | i enabled the enhanced messaging in the patrons tab |
| 06:21 | and i checked item checkout and item check in in the Default messaging preferences for a specific patron | |
| 06:25 | eythian | Don't really know beyond that sorry |
| 06:25 | cait | glernil: are notices defined under administration > notices? |
| 06:25 | does your borrower have an email address? | |
| 06:29 | glernil | cait: yes definitely.. they have emails |
| 06:30 | cait: notices are defined under tools > notices? | |
| 06:31 | cait | yes |
| 06:31 | glernil | i have 17 types of notices |
| 06:33 | cait | CHECKIN? |
| 06:34 | you should have CHECKIN and CHECKOUT in module circulation | |
| 06:34 | and after that I am out of ideas too :( | |
| 06:34 | glernil | yes i have checkin and checkout notices |
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| 06:36 | glernil | i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent |
| 06:36 | cait: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent | |
| 06:37 | cait | sorry, no idea at the moment |
| 06:37 | and have to go | |
| 06:37 | bbl | |
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| 06:37 | glernil | eythian: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry |
| 06:38 | AmitG: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry | |
| 06:38 | eythian | glernil: yep, which suggests that either the cron jobs are not running, are failing, or that they're running but doing nothing for some reason. |
| 06:39 | I'd start by looking in the cron job logs to see that they are running. | |
| 06:41 | glernil | Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2) |
| 06:42 | eythian | is there a line after that? |
| 06:42 | magnuse | $KOHA_CRON_PATH should probably not show up there? |
| 06:42 | eythian | I'm wondering if it's a but suspicious that the variable is in the pathname and not expanded by cron, but |
| 06:42 | err | |
| 06:42 | but I have no systems that do it that way to check | |
| 06:43 | glernil | Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2) |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run | |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations | |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:03 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4085]: (koha32) LIST (koha32) | |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run | |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations | |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:12 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4095]: (koha32) LIST (koha32) | |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:21 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4101]: (koha32) LIST (koha32) | |
| 06:43 | Apr 26 14:42:30 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4123]: (koha32) LIST (koha32) | |
| 06:44 | magnuse | glernil: do you have something like KOHA_CRON_PATH = /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs in your crontab? |
| 06:47 | glernil | i followed the steps in this link |
| 06:47 | http://www.vimalkumar.oksociety.in/node/29 | |
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| 06:48 | glernil | magnuse: yes there is |
| 06:49 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
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| 06:59 | magnuse | glernil: sorry, i'm out of ideas |
| 06:59 | bbl | |
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| 07:11 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:13 | mib_w3re62 | hello anyone can help me with koha sql report? |
| 07:15 | ? | |
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| 07:18 | francharb | hello all |
| 07:21 | kf | hi francharb :) |
| 07:21 | mib_w3re62: what do you want to do? | |
| 07:21 | have you seen the sql reports libraray on the wiki? | |
| 07:22 | mib_w3re62 | yea |
| 07:22 | but i cant find wht i needed on wiki | |
| 07:25 | I want to list the records with details along with number of items with each records | |
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| 07:27 | mib_w3re62 | something like table with : |
| 07:27 | biblionumber , title, callnumber , items count | |
| 07:28 | 1, History of Nepal , 35 WB 2005 , 5 | |
| 07:29 | kf | hm |
| 07:32 | mib_w3re62 | can anyone help me???pleas |
| 07:32 | kf | select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*) |
| 07:32 | from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber) | |
| 07:32 | from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber | |
| 07:32 | not the most elegant solution perhaps but it works | |
| 07:33 | ah... | |
| 07:33 | could be a problem if you have different callnumbers for items on one record | |
| 07:33 | mib_w3re62 | ok |
| 07:34 | i guess call number will be same for all items with same record | |
| 07:35 | kf | not necessarily, depends how yourl ibrary works with callnumbers |
| 07:35 | mib_w3re62 | is this from wiki?? |
| 07:35 | kf | no |
| 07:35 | from my head | |
| 07:35 | :) | |
| 07:35 | glernil | notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04 |
| 07:35 | notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04 | |
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| 07:38 | mib_w3re62 | thax kf |
| 07:38 | :) | |
| 07:39 | kf | np |
| 07:40 | mib_w3re62 | can i ask u something abt z3950 |
| 07:41 | i tried to configure z3950 server bt i found two options describe on many articles and talks.... | |
| 07:41 | they told to comment out <listen id="biblioserver" >tcp:@:9999</listen> | |
| 07:41 | bt doing this only i cant get my z3950 server worked | |
| 07:43 | wht i need to do further for z3950 to make it work | |
| 07:44 | rangi | glernil: no one will be magically able to answer you, even if you ask the same question again and again, i suggest you ask on the mailing list |
| 07:44 | kf | do you want to act your installation as z3950 server or download records into koha using z3950? |
| 07:44 | hi rangi | |
| 07:45 | how did the training go? | |
| 07:45 | rangi | hi kf |
| 07:45 | pretty well i think | |
| 07:46 | kf | :) |
| 07:46 | mib_w3re62 | act my server as z3950 server |
| 07:46 | kf | mib_w3re62: sorry, never tried to do that |
| 07:47 | glernil | rangi: ok. thank you. |
| 07:47 | AmitG | heya kf, rangi |
| 07:48 | kf | hi AmitG |
| 07:48 | rangi | hiya AmitG |
| 07:48 | mib_w3re62 | kf : with above sql i am having result bt i am having biblionumber appear double for some records |
| 07:49 | not only double even 5 times | |
| 07:49 | oopsss more time....when i see the output | |
| 07:58 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f62d54c62e4125a86> / Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e43a7e215845cf44e> |
| 07:59 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 227 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:03 | kf | mib_w3re62: different callnumbers then I guess |
| 08:03 | mib_w3re62 | nop same |
| 08:04 | kf | hm right |
| 08:04 | yep, let me try again | |
| 08:04 | mib_w3re62 | ok |
| 08:04 | kf | I know where the problem is |
| 08:05 | mib_w3re62 | thax kf |
| 08:06 | kf | select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*) |
| 08:06 | from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber) as count | |
| 08:06 | from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber | |
| 08:06 | group by biblionumber, itemcallnumber | |
| 08:06 | order by biblionumber | |
| 08:08 | hm, group by biblionumber | |
| 08:10 | mib_w3re62 | i guess above it right i can have single result for records |
| 08:10 | can we list the record even if it doesnt have items | |
| 08:11 | i can see biblionumber if there is no item with that record | |
| 08:12 | sorry cant | |
| 08:16 | kf | it shoudl list all |
| 08:16 | ah no... it doesn | |
| 08:16 | t | |
| 08:18 | I know how I would do it with sybase... but myswl, mom | |
| 08:20 | pastebot | "kf" at 193.197.29.135 pasted "select b.biblionumber, title," (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25 |
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| 08:35 | kf | morning magnuse |
| 08:35 | mib_w3re62 | thax kf for help |
| 08:35 | tc | |
| 08:35 | :) | |
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| 08:36 | magnuse | morgen kf |
| 08:36 | rangi | hi magnuse |
| 08:37 | magnuse | kia ora rangi |
| 08:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7786e561c78946986> / Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7c5d543cac121ef43> / Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mmitdiff;h=8aa1ba |
| 08:39 | rangi | @later tell chris_n http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]erry-pick_for_3.4 |
| 08:39 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:40 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #227: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/227/ |
| 08:40 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences | |
| 08:40 | * Magnus Enger: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po | |
| 08:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6228 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Show active currency in system preferences |
| 08:40 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 228 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:48 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c186a9f20c66447b9> / Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ed3fff31ffcd848bf> |
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| 08:58 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping the database number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]87fbfa15228f462bc> |
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| 09:20 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #228: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/228/ |
| 09:20 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6263: shelf browser broken in 3.4 | |
| 09:20 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links | |
| 09:20 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location | |
| 09:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4 |
| 09:20 | jenkins_koha | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order |
| 09:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6257 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, MARC documentation links cause javascript error |
| 09:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6194 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Empty Parens on Serials pages | |
| 09:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6153 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Imprint subfields displayed out of order on OPAC | |
| 09:20 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 229 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 10:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #229: UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/229/ |
| 10:01 | * Ian Walls: Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly | |
| 10:01 | * Stéphane Delaune: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results | |
| 10:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3202 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW, Creating new "child" category patrons - library not defaulting to the correct branch |
| 10:01 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Bumping the database number |
| 10:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results |
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| 10:19 | druthb | howdy, #koha. |
| 10:19 | rangi | hi druthb |
| 10:22 | magnuse | o/ |
| 10:28 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]77530189a03c4d78b> |
| 10:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 230 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #228 1 h 48 mn ago) |
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| 10:39 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 10:42 | rangi++ | |
| 10:42 | unit_tests++ | |
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| 11:07 | conan | hello everybody |
| 11:08 | rangi: you around? | |
| 11:08 | rangi | just about to go to sleep, whats up? |
| 11:09 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 11:09 | Project Koha_master build #230: FIXED in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/230/ | |
| 11:09 | Chris Cormack: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs | |
| 11:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results |
| 11:09 | conan | well, I'll try to make it short then: what would you prefer to mark a disabled password (bug 3674) a character or a new column in borrowers |
| 11:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password |
| 11:10 | conan | I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6220 and 6224, and to also implement Katrin fischer suggestion |
| 11:10 | rangi | the character was ok, it was just the implementation was flawed, it was being md5d |
| 11:10 | conan | but I endeed up with an over engineered function |
| 11:11 | I thought this: what if we want the hability do mark enabled/disabled users? then what if after disabling we want to re-enable them? with the character we loose the original password, and have to generate a new one | |
| 11:12 | so thinking about maintaining the original password lead me to think about a possible future modification on the way to encode the password | |
| 11:12 | and that lead me to think that choosing '!' to mark one disabled could be dangerous in the future | |
| 11:12 | but maybe I'm overthinking all this | |
| 11:13 | rangi | a disabled login would be fine |
| 11:13 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6268] Bad Total in basket.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6268> |
| 11:13 | rangi | its not a feature i want/need |
| 11:13 | kf | hm |
| 11:13 | why not block him? | |
| 11:13 | debar | |
| 11:13 | conan | I think that's what 3674 tried to implement |
| 11:14 | rangi | kf: that doesnt stop login |
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| 11:14 | rangi | that just stops you being able to issue items to them |
| 11:14 | kf | hm |
| 11:14 | rangi | they could still use the opac |
| 11:14 | conan | I'm concerned with 6220, but the thing grew bigger :| |
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| 11:14 | kf | we have blocks for renewals, holds and checkouts |
| 11:14 | rangi | but im not sure why you would want to block a user logging in |
| 11:15 | kf | connected to fines |
| 11:15 | rangi | sure, but debar them |
| 11:15 | conan | I don't care for 3674 either, but it's there (or was) |
| 11:15 | rangi | yep, failed qa |
| 11:15 | if you want to, you can talk with biblibre about it, it was their bug | |
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| 11:15 | rangi | and try to find out what they were wanting it to do |
| 11:16 | kf | hi agan francharb :) |
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| 11:16 | conan | yes, from nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com |
| 11:16 | kf | is the weather better for pastis now? |
| 11:16 | * rangi | doesnt make all the decisions, i just get to decide what goes into a release |
| 11:16 | conan | anyone from biblibre around? |
| 11:16 | * conan | looks left and right |
| 11:16 | rangi | conan: nahuel doesnt work there anymore |
| 11:16 | francharb | hi kf |
| 11:16 | conan | hum... |
| 11:16 | rangi | i think hdl or paul_p are your best bets |
| 11:17 | conan | they should be awake now... |
| 11:17 | francharb | kf: the weather is not that bad for pastis now but summer time is a better time, for sur! |
| 11:17 | ;) | |
| 11:17 | conan | ok, I'll send a mail and start working on a simpler solution |
| 11:17 | rangi | sounds good |
| 11:18 | kf | @quote |
| 11:18 | huginn | kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 11:18 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 11:18 | kf | @quote random |
| 11:18 | huginn | kf: Quote #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" (added by chris at 08:18 PM, March 24, 2011) |
| 11:18 | rangi | @quote random |
| 11:18 | huginn | rangi: Quote #88: "<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" (added by jwagner at 07:42 PM, August 06, 2010) |
| 11:19 | rangi | excuse |
| 11:19 | wahanui | rangi: somebody was calculating pi on the server |
| 11:19 | kf | @quote |
| 11:19 | huginn | kf: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 11:19 | kf | @quote random |
| 11:19 | huginn | kf: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010) |
| 11:19 | kf | @quote random |
| 11:19 | huginn | kf: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009) |
| 11:19 | rangi | ok i have to go to sleep because someone was calculating pi on the server |
| 11:19 | kf | :) |
| 11:19 | sleep well | |
| 11:19 | rangi | gnight |
| 11:19 | kf | @quote random |
| 11:19 | huginn | kf: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010) |
| 11:19 | kf | @quote random |
| 11:19 | huginn | kf: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010) |
| 11:19 | kf | @quote random |
| 11:19 | huginn | kf: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009) |
| 11:19 | kf | @quote random |
| 11:19 | huginn | kf: Quote #80: "<robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)" (added by gmcharlt at 01:54 AM, June 24, 2010) |
| 11:20 | kf | *sighs* |
| 11:20 | I now it's in there | |
| 11:20 | rangi | @help quote |
| 11:20 | huginn | rangi: Error: There is no command "quote". |
| 11:20 | rangi | @help |
| 11:20 | huginn | rangi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 11:20 | rangi | @list |
| 11:20 | huginn | rangi: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather |
| 11:20 | rangi | @list quote |
| 11:20 | huginn | rangi: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats |
| 11:21 | rangi | @quote search fish |
| 11:21 | huginn | rangi: 1 found: #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know,..." |
| 11:21 | rangi | @quote search mad |
| 11:21 | huginn | rangi: 2 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..." and #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life..." |
| 11:21 | kf | @quote search rm |
| 11:21 | huginn | kf: 7 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the...", #110: "chris: im rm, not god", #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed...", #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a...", and #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information..." |
| 11:22 | kf | aha |
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| 11:43 | hdl | hi conan? |
| 11:45 | hi conan | |
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| 12:01 | kf | hi hdl and paul_p |
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| 12:05 | kf | hi nengard |
| 12:05 | nengard | morning all |
| 12:08 | tcohen | hi nengard |
| 12:08 | hi hdl, paul_p | |
| 12:10 | nengard | kf for bug 6190 did your fixed patch fail qa? or the original patch? |
| 12:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6190 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Custom field removal from patron entry screens |
| 12:10 | nengard | was about to test it but I'm thinking someone already did |
| 12:11 | kf | nengard: I will send a follow up |
| 12:11 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 12:11 | kf | I tested it today - noted my comments below |
| 12:12 | it needs at least the title field and the sql files fixed before it can be marked signed-off | |
| 12:13 | and I have an idea how to make a whole block like alternate address 'unwanted' | |
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| 12:22 | hdl | hi tcohen and kf |
| 12:27 | conan | hdl: hello |
| 12:27 | wahanui | hola, conan |
| 12:27 | tcohen | question: is it a problem that a record in 'biblio' table doesn't have a frameworkcode? (i.e. ='') |
| 12:27 | conan | hdl: sorry I was hunting a bug in bug in a bug |
| 12:27 | hdl: you were logged in, did you read our previous conversation with rangi, or should I repeat? | |
| 12:27 | hdl | that is a kind of hunt I like. |
| 12:27 | I read. | |
| 12:28 | conan | hdl: what do you think? do you use that feature at biblibre? |
| 12:28 | hdl | But what is your need ? |
| 12:28 | We have. | |
| 12:28 | nahuel would not develop things without a need. | |
| 12:28 | conan | ok |
| 12:29 | so 3674 needs to be properly implemented then | |
| 12:29 | that's my question, what to do with 3674 | |
| 12:29 | hdl | bug 3764 |
| 12:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3764 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Cities Towns form not clear |
| 12:29 | hdl | bug 3674 |
| 12:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password |
| 12:32 | conan | hdl: I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6224 and to include enhancements suggested by Karin Fischer on 6220 |
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| 12:32 | conan | hdl: and I endeed with a broken overengineered module |
| 12:32 | hdl: so I want to simplify my life today :) | |
| 12:33 | the thing is everytime I think about it, gets more complicated | |
| 12:34 | the initial thing is: we haver users, then those users should have a login/password | |
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| 12:34 | conan | if we make an automatic one for them, then we have to send it somehow, mail preferably, and that introduces much stuff in the module |
| 12:35 | also, if we accept Karin's idea about making autogenerated passwords 'onetime passwords' then we would need to add a column to db | |
| 12:35 | and all this thinking leads me to re-think that maybe I'm making too much fuss about something nobody needs | |
| 12:36 | maybe we can just fix 3674 by avoiding the encoding ModMember() is doing on default borrowers.password = '!' | |
| 12:36 | hdl | conan: some users are system users. |
| 12:36 | So they should not have password | |
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| 12:37 | hdl | this is what induced in having disabled passwords |
| 12:38 | conan | you mean system like in they come from the subyacent system? |
| 12:39 | hdl | they are created for koha... and services. should be staff. |
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| 13:47 | conan | hdl: one thing more: system users, the ones without password, they should be able to login? |
| 14:11 | kf | wizzyrea: around? |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | yesm |
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| 14:14 | kf | ah |
| 14:15 | you did this nice timeline of koha releases... do you have that link somewhere? :) | |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | :) I do |
| 14:15 | http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases | |
| 14:17 | kf | I don't get all four text fields to show up at the same time |
| 14:17 | * kf | is searching for a time line for her presentation |
| 14:18 | conan | kf: I just realized you might be Katrin Fischer! |
| 14:18 | jcamins | conan: she might indeed. ;) |
| 14:18 | jwagner | The One and Only! |
| 14:18 | (but sometimes also known as cait) | |
| 14:19 | conan | and here I was this morning, talking about a bug I should be discussing with her |
| 14:23 | kf | sorry :( |
| 14:23 | preparing for a presentation - i was not really following the discussion | |
| 14:27 | druthb | wahanui: kf? |
| 14:27 | wahanui | somebody said kf was cait |
| 14:27 | druthb | wahanui: cait? |
| 14:27 | wahanui | cait is kf |
| 14:27 | druthb | :D |
| 14:27 | jcamins | wahanui: cait is also a programmer |
| 14:27 | wahanui | okay, jcamins. |
| 14:27 | jcamins | cait? |
| 14:27 | wahanui | rumour has it cait is kf or a programmer |
| 14:28 | jcamins | kf? |
| 14:28 | wahanui | kf is cait |
| 14:29 | druthb | wahanui: kf is also really, really sweet. |
| 14:29 | wahanui | okay, druthb. |
| 14:29 | druthb | kf? |
| 14:29 | wahanui | kf is cait or really, really sweet. |
| 14:29 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 14:29 | wahanui | i heard druthb was one fine number in a skirt. |
| 14:29 | druthb | harrumph! |
| 14:30 | wahanui: forget druthb | |
| 14:30 | wahanui | druthb: I forgot druthb |
| 14:30 | druthb | I oughta pay Brooke_ back for that one, by wearing slacks to our dinner tonight.... |
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| 14:41 | conan | kf: no problem, the line of thought grew too deep, and I choose to keep it simple, but I might send a mail later to continue with what we were talking on 6220 |
| 14:42 | kf | pay Brooke_ back for telling the truth? :) |
| 14:42 | ok conan | |
| 14:43 | druthb | kf: harrrumph! |
| 14:43 | kf | :P |
| 14:55 | hdl | conan: no. They donot have to. |
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| 15:05 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3674] Creating users with empty password <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3674> |
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| 15:07 | conan | hdl: too late I already made that decision and I decided exactly that :P |
| 15:08 | hdl: also, there're no empty password users anymore, which I'm not sure if was what biblibre wanted or not | |
| 15:08 | anyway, patch was attached to 3674 if you want to test if I broke everything | |
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| 17:40 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 17:40 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010) |
| 17:45 | cait | @quote random |
| 17:45 | huginn | cait: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010) |
| 17:45 | cait | hi gmcharlt |
| 17:45 | gmcharlt | hi cait |
| 17:45 | druthb | @quote random |
| 17:45 | huginn | druthb: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009) |
| 17:46 | bg | heh funny that ruth would get a quote from jdavidb :) |
| 17:46 | druthb | lol |
| 17:53 | cait | @quote 113 |
| 17:53 | huginn | cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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| 18:06 | Oak | night |
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| 18:24 | wizzyrea | @quote get 113 |
| 18:24 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010) |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 18:25 | jcamins | Why did I say that? |
| 18:25 | Ah, right. | |
| 18:26 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-12-21#i_568783 | |
| 18:30 | cait | @quote get 133 |
| 18:30 | huginn | cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #133 in my database for #koha. |
| 18:30 | cait | @quote get 131 |
| 18:30 | huginn | cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #131 in my database for #koha. |
| 18:30 | cait | hm. |
| 18:32 | * jcamins | is going to see Le Cage aux Folles tonight. :D |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea | @quote get 130 |
| 18:32 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #130 in my database for #koha. |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea | @quote get 129 |
| 18:32 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #129 in my database for #koha. |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea | @quote get last |
| 18:32 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: 'last' is not a valid id. |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | @quote get 124 |
| 18:40 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #124: "gmcharlt: well, obviously the Ode To Joy is the only possible sound cue for the hold-filled event" (added by wizzyrea at 06:33 PM, April 04, 2011) |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 18:41 | i love that one | |
| 18:54 | druthb | @quote random |
| 18:54 | huginn | druthb: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010) |
| 18:54 | druthb | @quote random |
| 18:54 | huginn | druthb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009) |
| 18:54 | druthb | @quote random |
| 18:54 | huginn | druthb: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) |
| 18:54 | druthb | @quote search bacon |
| 18:54 | huginn | druthb: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | @quote search batman |
| 18:55 | huginn | wizzyrea: 2 found: #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" and #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | ok ppls |
| 19:31 | I have a question | |
| 19:31 | it's an easy one | |
| 19:31 | take a looksee at the release notes for 3.4 | |
| 19:31 | and tell me what your top 5 fav new features are | |
| 19:31 | please | |
| 19:31 | cait | I am biased |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | i don't care :) |
| 19:35 | cait | $w links/usecontrolnumber, fines/holds notify at check-in, search to hold, parameters in guided reports |
| 19:38 | now you tell me yours! | |
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| 19:40 | cait | wizzyrea? |
| 19:40 | wahanui | wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | Parameters in reports, run this report after creation, WYSIWYG editor for news, |
| 19:40 | and i'm still looking :) | |
| 19:41 | cait | hehe ok |
| 19:41 | also good choices! | |
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| 19:41 | wizzyrea | the fines notify |
| 19:41 | OH and the receipt customization | |
| 19:41 | (additionally, search to hold, and fast add) | |
| 19:42 | cait | hehe |
| 19:42 | yep, I wasn't aware of the receipt thing | |
| 19:42 | is it in systemparameters? | |
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| 19:42 | wizzyrea | idk, I need to check on how it works |
| 19:42 | because my libraries are going to be chewing on my ankles wanting that | |
| 19:46 | sekjal | wizzyrea: receipt customization? |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | adding the library address/phone to receipts |
| 19:46 | it's under circulation | |
| 19:47 | Printed receipts can now include the library phone, address and | |
| 19:47 | other fields | |
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| 19:48 | wizzyrea | oh and ability to add news items to slips |
| 19:48 | under administration | |
| 19:48 | i reeeallly ought to check that out | |
| 19:49 | ooo | |
| 19:49 | sekjal | wizzyrea... not seeing the receipt customization options under Circulation... |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | i meant in the notes |
| 19:49 | it's listed under circulation | |
| 19:50 | sekjal | ah, this is release notes! |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | yes :) |
| 19:50 | sekjal | my understanding is that receipts are not customizable at this time |
| 19:50 | lots of talk about making it happen, but no code that I'm aware of | |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | definitely you can add notes to them |
| 19:51 | * sekjal | hopes he's just out of date |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | under tools -> news -> new -> slip |
| 19:51 | sekjal | oh, right, yes, that mechanism |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | but it's still not by branch |
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| 19:52 | rangi | this weather sux |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | it sucks here too |
| 19:53 | @wunder lawrence, ks | |
| 19:53 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.1�C (2:55 PM CDT on April 26, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000.6 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:53 | SpaceLibrarian_home | that's an understatement... |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | at least it's not raining today |
| 19:53 | here | |
| 19:53 | @wunder wellington, NZ | |
| 19:53 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:53 | SpaceLibrarian_home | yup |
| 19:54 | rangi | @later tell cait bad cut and paste ill get it fixed |
| 19:54 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:58 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | does not want to leave home to walk 2 minutes in bad weather to get to work... |
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| 19:59 | wizzyrea | anybody else have 5 (or so) favorite new features? |
| 20:00 | nengard | in koha 3.4? |
| 20:00 | SpaceLibrarian_home | no more nozebra... um... You guys did well with this one. So hard to choose. |
| 20:01 | rangi | mine is gonna be the items out, tt, export/import frameworks |
| 20:01 | nengard | Import/Export Frameworks -- Search to Hold -- Duplicate Patron -- Patron Privacy |
| 20:01 | rangi | manipulate sysprefs from commandline |
| 20:01 | SpaceLibrarian_home | oooh... import/export (from what I've seen). I still need to play with it though. |
| 20:02 | rangi | oh and the family info at circ |
| 20:02 | those would be mine | |
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| 20:07 | SteveJ | I'm going to go with any code that enhances analytics support |
| 20:10 | rangi | theres a few of those |
| 20:10 | a bunch still waiting to be finished and submitted too | |
| 20:11 | which missed the cut, but hopefully osslabs finish them off for 3.6 in october | |
| 20:13 | cait | rangi: I am here |
| 20:16 | rangi | for 3.6 I want openid, libravatar, shared lists (nominate friends to share them with) |
| 20:16 | and a bunch of other opac stuff | |
| 20:17 | including openlibrary hooks | |
| 20:17 | cait | hehe |
| 20:17 | rangi | cos really as far as im concerned thats the main thing we have an ils for |
| 20:18 | is for patrons | |
| 20:19 | cait | what is libravatar? |
| 20:19 | rangi | and the opac didn't get much love lately |
| 20:19 | like gravatar but libre | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | i would love openlibrary hooks |
| 20:20 | the other stuff is cool too | |
| 20:20 | rangi | so ppl can have little avatars by their reviews/comments etc |
| 20:20 | ok my stop bbiab | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | family info at circ is a good one |
| 20:21 | very good suggestions | |
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| 20:48 | SpaceLibrarian_home | rangi ++ wizzyrea ++ |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 20:48 | SpaceLibrarian_home | that's my kind of library opac you're thinking of. |
| 20:48 | :) | |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | I keep hearing that "it ought to be like amazon, but with privacy" |
| 20:49 | and I"m like, uh... | |
| 20:49 | you know that the computer can't tell you what you like unless it knows a little about you right>? | |
| 20:50 | unless someone has developed a mind reading computer | |
| 20:50 | (aside: if they have, there goes my sacred space) | |
| 20:51 | SpaceLibrarian_home | wizzyrea: yes, I agree |
| 20:52 | ooh looks. some semblance of a break in the weather. time for the 100 yard dash. | |
| 20:52 | bbiab | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | gl! |
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| 21:05 | space_librarian | and back. Without melting... |
| 21:09 | cait | nooo |
| 21:09 | powerpoint is dying on me :( | |
| 21:09 | rangi | ? |
| 21:09 | ahh | |
| 21:09 | cait | with my unsaved slide in it |
| 21:09 | rangi | its microsoft |
| 21:09 | they hate you using it to demo open source | |
| 21:10 | its sabotage i tells ya | |
| 21:10 | cait | lol |
| 21:10 | space_librarian | *coughgoogledocscough* |
| 21:11 | best way to save during microsoft products... | |
| 21:11 | and then get openoffice. :) | |
| 21:11 | jcamins | space_librarian: sacrilege! LibreOffice is Libre! |
| 21:12 | space_librarian | then get libreoffice. I am unfamiliar with it... |
| 21:12 | I must know more... | |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | libreoffice is uber great :P |
| 21:13 | * space_librarian | goes to install libreoffice... |
| 21:22 | * cait | took a screenshot of her excel diagram |
| 21:22 | cait | put that on the slide |
| 21:22 | now it survived | |
| 21:23 | space_librarian | :) |
| 21:28 | * jcamins | thinks you'd probably like the equivalent LibreOffice diagram better. :P |
| 21:28 | * space_librarian | is waiting patiently for LibOffice to download... |
| 21:32 | cait | jcamins: next time |
| 21:33 | jcamins | :) |
| 21:33 | cait | ok, need some nice koha libraries examples! :) nice looking catalogs are a plus |
| 21:34 | rangi | https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ |
| 21:34 | jcamins | How can every copy of Imagined Communities currently be checked out of the public library? |
| 21:34 | cait | hehe |
| 21:34 | special library? | |
| 21:34 | rangi | http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/ |
| 21:34 | space_librarian | yeah, plant and food is one of my favourites. |
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| 21:38 | jcamins | Time to go into the city for a show. Good night, #koha |
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| 21:38 | SteveJ | The plant and food one is interesting. Is there an autpomatic feed for new items buried somewhere in Koha? |
| 21:38 | brendan_ | hiya all |
| 21:38 | cait | the pictures look too nice |
| 21:38 | more a manual thing I guess? | |
| 21:38 | rangi | naw, just pulls it from acquisitions data |
| 21:38 | cait | and you can subscribe rss feeds sorted by acq date |
| 21:39 | rangi | yep |
| 21:39 | SteveJ | cait, can you direct me to where to find that? |
| 21:39 | rangi | SteveJ: any search results are an rss feed |
| 21:40 | so do a search on an item type say | |
| 21:40 | cait | rangi: the pictures too? |
| 21:40 | SteveJ | Doh, I totally knew that! |
| 21:40 | rangi | and then order by acquisition date |
| 21:40 | cait: those are just from amazon cait | |
| 21:41 | https://github.com/alenkovich/[…]ly-acquired-books | |
| 21:42 | cait | ah |
| 21:42 | and transformed? | |
| 21:44 | rangi | www.library.org.nz of course |
| 21:44 | http://www.rangitikeilibrary.org.nz/ | |
| 21:44 | cait | ok, give other countries a chance ;) |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | nexpress isn't as pretty as I'd like |
| 21:45 | cait | the last one is an older koha version, right? |
| 21:45 | rangi | yup |
| 21:45 | cait | wizzyrea: why not? |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | lack of effort :P |
| 21:46 | cait | oh bad excuse |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | very |
| 21:46 | cait | excuse? |
| 21:46 | wahanui | cait: static from plastic slide rules |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | yes, that |
| 21:46 | >.> | |
| 21:46 | cait | ok wizzyra, you get until my next big presentation - which is in june! |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | ^.^ ok I'll do my best |
| 21:47 | though, tbh | |
| 21:47 | plain jane kind of suits it | |
| 21:47 | cait | tbh? |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | to be honest |
| 21:47 | space_librarian | wizzyrea: spoilsport |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | i know |
| 21:47 | space_librarian | :p |
| 21:47 | * wizzyrea | is ashamed |
| 21:47 | * space_librarian | is amused |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | but look at that logo |
| 21:47 | cait | ok, now I crashed ff4 |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | wtf exactly am I supposed to design around THAT monstrosity |
| 21:48 | space_librarian | point taken |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:49 | space_librarian | For some reason, it reminds me of UPS. Not entirely sure why. |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | it's rapid! |
| 21:49 | and ... uh... | |
| 21:49 | not brown? | |
| 21:49 | space_librarian | I think it's all parecel companies. And the speedlines. |
| 21:49 | parcel* | |
| 21:49 | * space_librarian | needs coffee STAT |
| 21:50 | space_librarian | Ah... colours of USPS... Speedlines of DHL. Mix them together and I get UPS. Oy Vey. |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:51 | hdl | cait: you may like this OPAC : http://cannetdesmaures.biblibre.com/ |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | oh yea that's a pretty one |
| 21:52 | space_librarian | I like the idea of the subject cloud. |
| 21:52 | cait | I really have to find out how you do some of those nice tricks |
| 21:52 | like the strips in the login box | |
| 21:52 | but not tonight :) | |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | same, and same |
| 21:52 | easy enough I'd fathom with chrome + developer tools | |
| 21:53 | cait | I like the rose in front of the headlines |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | mhm |
| 21:53 | cait | hdl: do you have maybe some numbers for me about that one? :) |
| 21:54 | hdl | which numbers do you want ? |
| 21:54 | cait | like bibs, items, patrons, branchs, type of library |
| 21:54 | looks like a public library | |
| 21:54 | hdl | This library is quite little. But the customisation is quite interesting |
| 21:55 | cait | the adv search? |
| 21:55 | hdl | indeed it is |
| 21:55 | space_librarian | I also like Médiathèque... so much more descriptive than bibliothèque... |
| 21:55 | cait | not sure, some libraries here use that too, I am a bit indifferent about it |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | hee: http://ilearnedtoprogram.com/ |
| 21:56 | * space_librarian | must learn some perl so she can contribute... |
| 21:56 | hdl | montauban.biblibre.com is much bigger public library too |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | no pressure: http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]future_a.html.csp |
| 21:57 | space_librarian | viva la (geek) revolucion! |
| 21:58 | cait | hm lots of branches and nice layout :) |
| 21:58 | the only problem with french libaries is, that I always try to not have to say the name | |
| 21:59 | hdl | (around 160000 records, 12000 borrowers and 29 branches) |
| 21:59 | space_librarian | wizzyrea: funny comment about travel agents. I went to a talk where the speaker claimed that libraries should be like app stores and librarians like tripadvisor... |
| 21:59 | cait | thx hdl :) |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | ha! |
| 21:59 | cait | wizzyrea: but their catalog looks nicer |
| 21:59 | * cait | hides |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | cait: honesty, i like it ;) |
| 22:00 | hdl | if you search for academic libraries, univ-lyon3 or aix Marseille http://catalogue.univ-aix-mars[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | (seriously though, I know that nexpress could be improved) |
| 22:00 | hdl | But little customisation |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | and with that |
| 22:00 | adieu for now ;) | |
| 22:01 | hdl | aix marseille is 800000 records |
| 22:01 | more than 12000 users | |
| 22:01 | cait | and it's academic! right? |
| 22:01 | was looking for one | |
| 22:01 | url? | |
| 22:01 | space_librarian | hdl: there are some lovely catalogues in France. |
| 22:02 | hdl | cait: provided two lines before |
| 22:02 | cait | sorry, getting a bit tired |
| 22:02 | hdl | catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr too |
| 22:03 | but will have some maintenance on Tuesday | |
| 22:03 | (for this one | |
| 22:03 | ) | |
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| 22:05 | cait | hdl: only want a nice screenshot for my slides |
| 22:06 | hdl | look for wong in catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr then ;) |
| 22:06 | cait | and some numbes |
| 22:06 | showing the different types and sizes of libraries using koha | |
| 22:06 | hdl | around 330000 records for that one |
| 22:08 | https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.f[…]B4%A2%20%E5%BC%95 | |
| 22:10 | 56363 borrowers and 36 branches | |
| 22:10 | hope that helps | |
| 22:11 | cait | it's great |
| 22:11 | thx for your help :) | |
| 22:16 | ok, have to get some sleep | |
| 22:16 | good night all :) | |
| 22:17 | rangi | sleep well cait |
| 22:18 | cait | and thx! |
| 22:18 | * space_librarian | waves to cait |
| 22:18 | cait | koha_community++ |
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| 23:02 | sekjal | does anyone recall a bug report about changing the focus for the Holds Notification box on circ/returns.pl? |
| 23:03 | the problem being, librarians scanning in book after book, and if they don't look up to see there's a hold found, that hold never gets advanced | |
| 23:04 | taking the focus off the barcode input would at least force them to look up to see why it didn't beep when they scanned the next material | |
| 23:07 | rhcl | I know our circ people have mentioned this, but I don't have a good frame of reference other than that, and no specific info on a bug for it. |
| 23:08 | sekjal | it's easy enough to change the focus from the barcode input to the "confirm" button |
| 23:08 | but there should probably be a syspref to control that... | |
| 23:08 | eythian | sekjal: then they'll scan something, it'll press confirm, and that scan may get missed |
| 23:09 | I'd think something like a double-beep and defocussing would be the best idea there | |
| 23:11 | * sekjal | busts out his barcode scanner |
| 23:12 | sekjal | okay, so we get the "hold notification" sound |
| 23:13 | eythian | where do you think empericism is going to get you, huh? ;) |
| 23:13 | sekjal | and scanning in the next barcode does confirm it, but doesn't check in that material |
| 23:13 | so, yes, we could wind up in a situation where every other material fails to checkin properly | |
| 23:13 | if sound is off, and the librarian isn't looking at the screen | |
| 23:14 | eythian | maybe the screen should flash colour for a moment to draw attention if sound is off... |
| 23:14 | space_librarian | or give a pop-up if there is a hold on the book? |
| 23:14 | and they manually have to close the pop-up...?! | |
| 23:15 | eythian | space_librarian: popups are closed by the enter key, that's bad because the scanner also sends enter |
| 23:15 | space_librarian | hmmm... |
| 23:15 | there must be a way around that. | |
| 23:15 | sekjal | if I kill the focus for the barcode input, it defaults to the checkout field at the very top... |
| 23:16 | eythian | well, I'd expect something attention grabbing is good in this case too, otherwise you'll go through a bunch and realise it stopped doing anything a while back. |
| 23:16 | sekjal: also not optimal... | |
| 23:16 | sekjal: can you explicitly defocus everything? | |
| 23:16 | sekjal | not sure... surely there must be a way |
| 23:17 | space_librarian | ... |
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| 23:25 | sekjal | sorry, internet cramp |
| 23:26 | eythian | you can get a cream for that. "Deep packet" or something. |
| 23:27 | sekjal | idea: whenever there is a message on checkin, disable the input box for more barcodes. like we do on circ/circulation.pl |
| 23:28 | eythian | that's an option, so long as the focus doesn't jump to the search box |
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| 23:32 | sekjal | it should stay with the checkin.... but I'll confirm |
| 23:34 | nope, jumps back to checkout... dang | |
| 23:35 | eythian | sekjal: oh, I know! Have the javascript ignore the CR being sent |
| 23:38 | sekjal | Cr? |
| 23:39 | eythian | carriage return |
| 23:39 | enter | |
| 23:41 | sekjal | ah |
| 23:41 | that would make much more sense | |
| 23:48 | space_librarian | so there *is* a way. But can you get a beep to alert as well? |
| 23:49 | you don't want to think you're still checking in several more books and you're not. | |
| 23:50 | sekjal | I think the real problem here is the user behavior |
| 23:50 | scanning in materials blindly is not proper use of the system | |
| 23:51 | space_librarian | but it's what many librarians do. |
| 23:51 | lazy behaviour. | |
| 23:52 | sekjal | if they have the sound on, they'll get a different sound when the notification message shows up |
| 23:52 | eythian | well, tbh we can only do so much. If they're not looking at the screen, they should put sound on. |
| 23:53 | sekjal | so we're alerting both visually and audibly |
| 23:53 | space_librarian | if there is sound attached to computer |
| 23:53 | eythian | a small electric shock sent through the barcode scanner would be ideal :) |
| 23:53 | space_librarian | lol. yes |
| 23:53 | sekjal | eythian: agreed |
| 23:53 | space_librarian | haptic feedback is a great idea. |
| 23:54 | sekjal | we can't provide a different sound, because they're already ignoring sounds |
| 23:54 | NateC | Hi #koha! |
| 23:54 | sekjal | we can't provide a different visual cue, because they're already ignoring those |
| 23:54 | hey, NateC | |
| 23:54 | space_librarian | hey NateC. |
| 23:54 | brendan_ | hiya natec |
| 23:54 | space_librarian | sekjal: but if the system is beeping when it shouldn't... |
| 23:54 | they may have to see why... | |
| 23:55 | sekjal | but they're already getting a nice "hold found" sound instead of the beep |
| 23:55 | opening.ogg | |
| 23:57 | space_librarian | hmmmm. |
| 23:57 | sekjal | if we defocus or otherwise dump the rest of their scans, we still run the risk of them just doing it, then walking away, and now the Hold is still unfilled, and the items have not been returned |
| 23:58 | what about automatically confirming holds? a system preference to just say "yes", no matter what, so there's no need for a confirm box? | |
| 23:58 | space_librarian | no librarian worth their salt will walk away without checking the screen after they finish checking books in. Of course, there are always those that don't... |
| 23:59 | if it automatically confirms the hold, then the may need to be a pop-up with the holds screen just to double check then. |
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