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00:05 | brendan_l | @wunder ukiah, ca |
00:05 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 9.2�C (4:05 PM PST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady). |
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00:34 | slef | well, the ashes are off to a good start(!) time to sleep instead I think |
00:35 | chris | hehe |
00:35 | 0/1 | |
00:35 | coming back tho | |
00:35 | 22/1 now | |
00:35 | richard | who's batting? |
00:38 | chris | engarland |
00:39 | richard | all good then |
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00:57 | chris | wow magnus just put up tons of photos |
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01:23 | jcamins | What can one do with slightly toasted ricotta? |
01:23 | chris | lasagne? |
01:24 | its gonna get baked anyway, whats a bit of toasting on top | |
01:24 | jcamins | Good idea. |
01:24 | This saag isn't going to work. | |
01:25 | (the paneer all turned to mush when I took it out of the freezer) | |
01:25 | chris | ahh bummer |
01:34 | jcamins | So in case anyone here was wondering how to safely freeze paneer, the answer is definitely sautee *before* freezing. |
01:35 | chris | :) |
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02:09 | * druthb | waves, and heads out. |
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03:26 | jcamins | Is there a separate list for doc patches now? |
03:27 | chris | not sure |
03:27 | ibot | not sure are you using git? |
03:27 | jcamins | !! |
03:27 | ibot understands questions like that? | |
03:27 | ibot | no idea, jcamins |
03:27 | chris | seems to |
03:28 | jcamins | ibot++ |
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03:36 | Amit | heya chris |
03:37 | chris | hi Amit |
03:37 | jcamins | Why does git think that "git send-email" isn't a command? |
03:37 | chris | cos you dont have git-email installed |
03:37 | apt-get install git-email | |
03:38 | jcamins | chris++ # I knew chris would be able to tell me how to fix everything |
03:40 | Uh-oh. | |
03:40 | It wants to install off the CD. | |
03:40 | chris | you are probably gonna want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
03:40 | in that case | |
03:40 | theres probably some gui for it | |
03:40 | wizzyrea_ might know | |
03:41 | jcamins | There we go. |
03:41 | I wonder why it did that. I didn't install off the CD. | |
03:46 | How do I change the e-mail address of a commit? | |
03:48 | Ah. git commit --amend --author | |
03:49 | chris | :) |
03:50 | jcamins | @later tell nengard I sent you a patch for the documentation. I noticed I left a few ANS-specific fields in the cataloging cheat sheet. |
03:50 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
03:51 | jcamins | And now that I've done that, I'm going to go pretend that I'm not spending my entire holiday weekend working. ;) |
03:51 | Good night (again), #koha | |
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03:56 | brendan_l | night jcamins |
03:58 | heya amit | |
03:58 | Amit | heya brendan_l |
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05:59 | cait | hi #koha |
06:00 | brendan_l | hey cait |
06:00 | cait | hi brendan :) |
06:04 | chris | Why are you awake still brendan ? :) |
06:05 | *sigh* now someone has to tell lori that scls doesn't and isn't going to use koha | |
06:05 | * chris | might just ignore it |
06:05 | brendan_l | heya chris |
06:06 | ah - now I'm getting what you're were saying about scls | |
06:07 | cait | hi chris |
06:07 | chris | Worth adding the wiki I reckon might just ignore scls |
06:07 | * cait | goes to check the mailing lists |
06:08 | chris | Hi cait |
06:08 | cait | thx for pushing my patch |
06:08 | :) | |
06:08 | owen made some a patch for my state branch, going to apply it later :) | |
06:13 | brendan_l | owen++ |
06:14 | @karma owen | |
06:14 | munin | brendan_l: Karma for "owen" has been increased 186 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 181. |
06:14 | brendan_l | wow owen kicks ass |
06:14 | @karma cait | |
06:14 | munin | brendan_l: Karma for "cait" has been increased 42 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 42. |
06:14 | brendan_l | @karma brendan |
06:14 | munin | brendan_l: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20. |
06:14 | brendan_l | heh :) |
06:14 | I like the nice round number that I have | |
06:19 | cait | did you have to say that? |
06:22 | I was already typing brendan+... :) | |
06:26 | brendan_l | heh :) |
06:26 | cait++ just cuase | |
06:26 | whoops cause | |
06:27 | chris | http://www.youtube.com/watch?f[…]yer&v=u5C-YHSy3Fw |
06:28 | cait | not allowed to see it... |
06:30 | chris | Really how dumb |
06:31 | Sorry bout that | |
06:31 | cait | yeah, "you are not allowed to see this video in your country" |
06:31 | what is it about? | |
06:34 | chris | Just a song I like |
06:34 | cait | oh |
06:37 | brendan_l | wow that's sorry to read on an free software irc channel - "you are not allowed to see this video in your country" |
06:39 | chris | Yeah lame |
06:44 | I hate the record companies | |
06:45 | brendan_l | free software++ |
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07:03 | chris | https://www.kiwicon.org/ |
07:03 | That's my weekend | |
07:04 | cait | imp will be jealous |
07:04 | showed me the website some time ago :) | |
07:05 | chris | :) |
07:15 | cait | christmas market opens this weekend and a friend is visiting for the weekend |
07:15 | so no hacking - but still some fun ;) | |
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07:28 | cait | ok, time for work - bbl |
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08:20 | kf | hi #koha |
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08:25 | ivanc | hallo #koha |
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10:03 | magnus | kia ora #koha |
10:13 | man i hate it when the F-16 jetfighters suddenly fly low over our roof - and scares the bejeezus out of the dogs! | |
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10:20 | slef | Anyone else get LBA's koha list email three times or have I got a mailserver problem? |
10:24 | magnus | slef: "Koha custom search engine"? i only see it once |
10:25 | but GMail might be doing some tricks in the background | |
10:41 | slef | magnus: session timeout - but I see it's only once in the archive (although misthreaded) |
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10:51 | kf | hi slef and magnus |
11:08 | magnus | hi kf |
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13:23 | slef | I've an unusual bug report here, asking for the opac and intranet catalogue search results displays to be made more consistent. Seems like this should be a known bug if it's general - anyone know it, or could the librarian have messed up some setting? |
13:32 | magnus | "more consistent" in look & feel or in the hits that are displayed? |
13:32 | slef | in how the hits are displayed: which tags/subtags |
13:33 | kf | slef: there is no xslt for results in intranet |
13:33 | if they use that, it will vary a lot | |
13:33 | and it's known that some things are missing, subfields from 245 - but you can use the keyword-to-marc-mapping under administration to make them show | |
13:33 | slef | I think they are non-xslt, but I will check that. |
13:34 | Their particular example was Series Title, subfields from 400. | |
13:34 | kf | not sure 400 is shown |
13:34 | slef | I'll look at keyword-to-marc-mapping. Where is it known? |
13:34 | kf | it's new in 3.2 |
13:34 | under administration | |
13:34 | slef | Ah, that won't work for this one yet. |
13:34 | kf | you can add fields, use keyword subtitle |
13:35 | slef | 3.0+customisations |
13:35 | kf | ah ok |
13:35 | slef | thanks both... bbi60ish |
13:36 | kf | slef: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd4xx.html 400 seems a bit strange to me - not 490? |
13:37 | slef | actually, I've another 5mins |
13:37 | kf: the whole bug report smells bad to me, so it wouldn't surprise me. | |
13:38 | look, 400 is historical :-/ but still not title | |
13:38 | very odd | |
13:38 | ok, I'll look at xslt and query their tag number :) | |
13:38 | kf | :) |
13:41 | slef | thanks 1000 |
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13:52 | kf | hi druthb :) |
13:58 | druthb | :) hi, kf! |
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14:20 | magnus | that was quick... ;-) |
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14:43 | kmkale | hi all |
14:48 | magnus | hiya laurence, tcohn, kmkale & yhager |
14:50 | kmkale | hey magnus |
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15:25 | kf | @later tell owen I have added your patch to my branch - thx again :) |
15:25 | munin | kf: The operation succeeded. |
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15:35 | slef | @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET |
15:35 | munin | slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 3.4�C (3:35 PM GMT on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). |
15:38 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
15:38 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
15:38 | slef | magnus: show-off. |
15:38 | magnus | hehe |
15:39 | slef | we're OK, but other places are still freezing today and the UK is not configured for this |
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15:41 | aarkerio | hi! somebody knows a doc about how capture scientific magazines in Koha? |
15:43 | I mean, there is something like ISBN for magazines? | |
15:45 | slef | ISSN |
15:45 | @marc 022 | |
15:45 | munin | slef: The ISSN, a unique identification number assigned to a continuing resource. (Repeatable) [a,y,z,2,6,8] |
15:46 | slef | aarkerio: look in the manuals and so on for "serials". There is often much discussion on the lists / in the forums about them. |
15:46 | aarkerio | thx! |
15:47 | daniel | good morning, folks |
15:47 | @wunder 94114 | |
15:47 | munin | daniel: The current temperature in Castro/San Francisco, San Francisco, California is 3.7�C (7:00 AM PST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Rising). |
15:47 | slef | good afternoon daniel |
15:47 | daniel | magnus: great bird photos! |
15:47 | slef | fnarr |
15:48 | magnus | hiya daniel! and thanks! |
15:48 | daniel | is one of those a kiwi? |
15:48 | magnus | nope, they only come out at night |
15:49 | daniel | that's what i thought, but this one confused me: |
15:49 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/e[…]2157625465384630/ | |
15:49 | magnus | i'm gonna add all the bird names one of these days... |
15:50 | that's a weka - also flightless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weka | |
15:50 | daniel | cool, thanks |
15:51 | omg, i just saw you posted 413 more under new zealand | |
15:52 | now i know what i'm going to do while eating breakfast. bbl | |
15:52 | magnus | hehe |
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16:13 | cait | hi #koha |
16:14 | magnus | good afternoon cait |
16:14 | aarkerio | hola! |
16:14 | cait | hi magnus, hi aarkerio |
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17:52 | slef | @marc leader |
17:52 | munin | slef: unknown tag leader |
17:52 | slef | @marc ldr |
17:52 | munin | slef: unknown tag ldr |
17:52 | slef | @marc 001 |
17:52 | munin | slef: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] |
17:52 | slef | leader is http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bdleader.html |
17:52 | leader/ | |
17:52 | leader? | |
17:52 | ibot | leader is http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bdleader.html |
17:57 | chris | ibot: leader is also http://www.unimarc.info/holdings/1/en/000 |
17:57 | ibot | okay, chris. |
17:58 | chris | leader? |
17:58 | ibot | leader is, like, http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bdleader.html or http://www.unimarc.info/holdings/1/en/000 |
17:58 | chris | marc is the standard that isn't |
17:58 | marc? | |
17:58 | ibot | marc is the standard that isn't |
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18:12 | slef | Should C4::Biblio::GetXmlBiblio regenerate from the marc if the marcxml field is incomplete? |
18:13 | (I know it doesn't at the moment, but I just made it do so to fix a problem at one library and I could submit it.) | |
18:14 | I'm wondering if there's a nasty drawback to doing that, though. | |
18:18 | chris | Well you might want to report it did that, there is a chance there might have been data in the xml that wasn't in thr marc |
18:19 | Unlikely but we should provide feedback that we did that I guess | |
18:22 | @wunder wellington nz | |
18:22 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). |
18:22 | slef | If the marcxml field is incomplete, we can't read it except by hand. |
18:22 | chris | Yep |
18:23 | But we'd want to report that and fix | |
18:23 | And then find out how the xml became incomplete | |
18:24 | Else we risk masking a problem would be my fear | |
18:24 | Cloudy my butt, its a gorgeous morning | |
18:26 | So in short I think its better than not doing it slef | |
18:27 | But we should somehow alert the user and tell them to ask their it to check the logs | |
18:27 | Or something | |
18:36 | slef | chris: it'll be cloudy in 20 minutes. |
18:36 | I know how the xml became incomplete. One source keeps sending records which claim to be MARC-8 but are actually Latin-1. | |
18:37 | Trouble is, once the record has been imported into Koha, Koha barfs on most operations. | |
18:37 | chris | Yup |
18:38 | Recreate from the marc, and warn it did so seems fine to me | |
18:38 | Better than asplode | |
18:49 | slef | It'll still explode because the MARC binary is wrong too, but at least we should be able to delete it and recatalogue. |
18:49 | Warn how? A note in the new MARC to look in the logs, and dump the old one to the error_log in a warn? | |
18:50 | chris | something like that |
18:53 | slef | ok, I've a bit more work to do then :-/ |
18:53 | time to get dinner now, though | |
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19:28 | richard | hi |
19:28 | chris | hiya richard |
19:28 | richard | hey chris |
20:25 | cait | koha historian at work? |
20:25 | :) | |
20:26 | chris | :) |
20:26 | catching up | |
20:29 | now to update the about page | |
20:29 | cait | updating the committers list? |
20:30 | chris | yeah |
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21:12 | magnus | wow, it's quiet here tonight... ;-) |
21:12 | chris | all the usians on holiday |
21:12 | cait | yeah |
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21:14 | magnus | so thanksgiving is not a big thing in nz either? it seemed that guy fawkes was... |
21:15 | chris | thanksgiving is purely an american thing |
21:16 | magnus | yeah, guess it is. i wish they would keep halloween to themselves too... ;-) |
21:17 | cait | magnus: you don't like pumkins and cute costumed kidsẞ |
21:17 | aw | |
21:18 | magnus | cait: i'm just not too fond of kids being taught they can get sweets from adults by threatening them... |
21:18 | cait | lol |
21:21 | magnus: hey, tomorrow is pizza friday! | |
21:21 | magnus | yes it is! |
21:22 | and my mother is coming to visit, so i get to make 3 pizzas! | |
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21:22 | cait | :) |
21:22 | * cait | thinks that it's really time to invent beamers |
21:23 | magnus | as in "beam me up, scotty"? |
21:24 | i think it's also slang for BMW ;-) | |
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21:29 | cait | yep, like in enterprise |
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21:38 | magnus | good night, folks! |
21:39 | cait | goo dnight magnus :) |
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21:44 | cait | looking at the borrowers table structure now - bug 3777 |
21:44 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent |
21:44 | chris | cool |
21:46 | cait | we have a lot of different data types there |
21:48 | I will sort the similar fields together and make a suggestion | |
21:49 | chris | good idea |
21:49 | cait | mediumtext is bigger than text, right? so it's probably not safe to change mediumtext to text? |
21:49 | chris | text is pretty damn huge |
21:51 | ie 64k | |
21:51 | cait | so ok to change some mediumtexts to text? |
21:52 | chris | yes |
21:52 | cait | just asking - you are the one to accept the patch :) |
21:52 | not sure I got it right - but I think text does not take as much resources as mediumtext | |
21:52 | chris | whats one that is mediumtext now? |
21:52 | cait | because it's as big as its content? |
21:52 | an example: | |
21:52 | 201 `title` mediumtext, | |
21:52 | 236 `contacttitle` text, | |
21:52 | chris | yeah thats retarded |
21:53 | 4gig for a title | |
21:53 | if someone has a title that long, they need a new job | |
21:53 | sorry 16MB | |
21:54 | cait | still veeery big |
21:54 | chris | yes |
21:54 | 16MB of text is huge! | |
21:55 | cait | more fun: |
21:55 | 199 `surname` mediumtext NOT NULL, | |
21:55 | 251 `altcontactsurname` varchar(255) default NULL, | |
21:55 | 250 `altcontactfirstname` varchar(255) default NULL, | |
21:55 | 200 `firstname` text, | |
21:55 | chris | yeah, all of those could be varchar imho |
21:55 | 255 is a lot of characters for a surname :) | |
21:55 | but certainly no need to be mediumtext | |
21:56 | richard | text? |
21:56 | ibot | text is probably pretty damn huge |
21:56 | richard | gotta love ibot |
21:56 | chris | :) |
21:58 | cait | ok, will do my sorting and than someone can help me choose the right data types perhaps? |
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22:00 | cait | chris? |
22:00 | ibot | it has been said that chris is craving coffee |
22:00 | cait | ibot botsnack cookie |
22:00 | ibot | thanks cait :) |
22:02 | chris | yeah, thatd be fine |
22:04 | pastebot | "cait" at 92.230.133.112 pasted "borrowers table" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/106 |
22:06 | cait | we have three surname , firstname combinations - and varchar(255), mediumtext and text for them |
22:07 | chris | heh |
22:08 | cait | this is not the only case |
22:08 | a lot of fields default to null - others not | |
22:11 | * cait | is confused |
22:15 | hilongo | hello there! |
22:16 | Hope you're all ok :) | |
22:17 | Does anyone know if there is work being done about "fines in days" instead of money? | |
22:18 | I know there is some work storing a date in the members table, in the 'debarred' field | |
22:19 | But we need something more than that .. and I was about to start developing (or try to) the functionality we need | |
22:19 | cait | hilongo: better ask paul or hdl about it - but I think there was some work done |
22:20 | there is an rfc: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]days_debarred_RFC | |
22:22 | chris | its in 3.2 |
22:22 | If your library 'fines' patrons by suspending their account you can enter the number of days their fine should be suspended in the 'Suspension in Days' field | |
22:22 | cait | we don't have the sys pref |
22:22 | chris | dont need it |
22:23 | hilongo | yes ... I tried that ... and works fine |
22:23 | but we need some more functionality ... like the posibility of track how many times a patron was suspended ... | |
22:24 | or the interface to reduce the 'sentence' :) | |
22:25 | chris | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:RFCs |
22:25 | hilongo | same things you can do with money fines ... |
22:26 | yeah ... I read that page ... I was about to start the work... but asked around first... so maybe something was already cooking ;) | |
22:27 | chris | make sure you start the rfc and announce it before you start any work |
22:27 | then if people are working on it, they will let you know | |
22:27 | hilongo | point taken |
22:28 | * hilongo | starts writing a pretty and clear RFC ... |
22:29 | hilongo | ok guys .. thanks a lot ... have a nice weekend! |
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22:29 | cait | you too hilongo |
22:34 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
22:34 | stats from ibot | |
22:35 | cait | seems I talk to much |
22:36 | chris | hehe, only in the last 4 days |
22:36 | cait | the random quote is funny |
22:37 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, canada |
22:37 | munin | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0�C (5:00 PM EST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
22:39 | cait | kf is the most referenced nick: so at least I am not talking to myself :) |
22:41 | the big numbers are cool too | |
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22:50 | * druthb | checks the Ashes results from Day 1. |
22:51 | chris | australia firmly in charge at the moment |
22:51 | cait | Ashes results? |
22:51 | chris | http://www.espncricinfo.com/th[…]match/428749.html |
22:52 | cait | cricket? |
22:52 | chris | yup |
22:53 | http://www.scgt.nsw.gov.au/SCG[…]oreboard-Cam.html | |
22:54 | * druthb | listens to the howls of derisive laughter coming from the Australians. |
22:56 | druthb | chris: looks like Cook and Pieterson did okay, but the bottom half of their lineup was teh suck. |
22:56 | chris | yup |
22:57 | * cait | is confused again |
22:57 | chris | bell played ok |
22:57 | * druthb | had a long, long lesson in cricket last night from chris. |
22:57 | chris | right im gonna go eat something bbiab |
22:58 | cait | going to sleep |
22:58 | druthb: you have to take over for us ;) | |
22:58 | druthb | okie |
22:59 | * cait | leaves you a bowl of cookies |
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