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| 00:51 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 00:51 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.5�C (6:51 PM CST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 am Wednesday to midnight CST Wednesday night... |
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| 01:21 | gmcharlt | @wunder seattle, wa |
| 01:21 | munin | gmcharlt: The current temperature in Herrera Environmental Consultants, Seattle, Washington is -3.3�C (5:21 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady). |
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| 01:54 | * jcamins_a | curses the broken patch. |
| 01:55 | jcamins_a | Editing the patch to remove the duplicate line results in an error message that the patch doesn't have an e-mail address. |
| 02:12 | chris_n | deleting one of two content-type lines results in that error? |
| 02:12 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 02:12 | jcamins | chris_n: yeah. |
| 02:12 | chris_n | strange indeed |
| 02:13 | what is the commit id of the patch? | |
| 02:13 | jcamins | It is... |
| 02:14 | Ummm... | |
| 02:14 | brendan_l | heya chris_n hey jcamins |
| 02:14 | jcamins | Is that the first line? |
| 02:14 | brendan_l | gmcharlt - you in seatlle? |
| 02:14 | jcamins | Hello, brendan_l. |
| 02:15 | chris_n | jcamins: the md5 hash |
| 02:15 | gmcharlt | brendan_l: no, just marveling at the unexpected snowstorm there |
| 02:15 | brendan_l | ah |
| 02:15 | @wunder ukiah, ca | |
| 02:15 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 2.0�C (6:12 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.17 in 987.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 02:15 | jcamins | chris_n: 88d95d7885614fd8c5fa50e478cc9a28 .git/rebase-apply/0076 |
| 02:15 | brendan_l | man that's cold here |
| 02:16 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 02:16 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 14.9�C (9:11 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising). |
| 02:16 | jcamins | And that is hot. |
| 02:16 | brendan_l | a white thanksgiving in seattle |
| 02:16 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 02:16 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 17.2�C (9:13 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising). |
| 02:16 | chris_n | ich |
| 02:16 | jcamins | chris_n: did I send you the wrong thing? |
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| 02:18 | * chris_n | can't seem to find a commit by that number in master |
| 02:18 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 02:18 | chris | rebasing changes commit hashes |
| 02:19 | jcamins | It's the patch for Bug 5116. |
| 02:19 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5, ---, ricmarques, NEW, Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" |
| 02:20 | brendan_l | heh - always funny hearing chris say - there goes my house :) |
| 02:21 | * jcamins | always pictures the Wizard of Oz |
| 02:21 | chris_n | 95cb1c3 |
| 02:21 | thats a while back | |
| 02:22 | jcamins | Yeah, I hadn't rebased this machine in a while. |
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| 02:24 | jcamins | That's really weird. |
| 02:24 | I'm looking at the patch on master, and I'm looking at the patch on my server, and sure enough, they have different headers. | |
| 02:25 | * chris_n | has to run, bbl |
| 02:29 | jcamins | Okay, all fixed. |
| 02:30 | And I have no idea what changed. | |
| 02:30 | I ran git rebase --abort twice in a row, then tried again, and it fixed it. | |
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| 02:55 | brendan_l | @wunder 93117 |
| 02:55 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.9�C (6:55 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady). Freeze watch in effect from late Wednesday night through Thursday morning... |
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| 03:12 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:13 | brendan_l | heya amit |
| 03:13 | Amit | heya brendan_l |
| 03:14 | yhager | Does this error merrage say something to anyone (from koha 3.2) addbiblio.pl: Can't call method "title" without a package or object reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 896. |
| 03:14 | sorry, message. Couldn't find any mention to anything similar in bugzilla | |
| 03:15 | @wunder v0g2c0 | |
| 03:15 | munin | yhager: The current temperature in Castlegar, British Columbia is -13.0�C (5:00 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 03:15 | yhager | heh, it's cold here :) |
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| 03:25 | bfleming | ok, so quick question about members-search.pl |
| 03:25 | why is $base_url set to be __FILE__ ...? | |
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| 03:52 | kmkale | hi all |
| 03:55 | Amit | heya kmkale |
| 03:55 | kmkale | hi Amit |
| 03:56 | its a miserable day here unseasonable clouds and rains. But I saw a *big* full rainbow to start the day off well :) | |
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| 04:02 | chris | :( |
| 04:03 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]last-no-survivors | |
| 04:03 | gmcharlt | :( |
| 04:08 | bigbrovar | chris: gmcharlt: He who never sleeps watches over them, no matter where there are now. |
| 04:08 | chris_n | :-( |
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| 04:20 | kmkale | so sad :( |
| 04:20 | bbl | |
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| 04:23 | brendan_l | ah finally have time to catch up on thd emails :) |
| 04:39 | bigbrovar | Hi guys I was having some issues getting refined search by libraries to work. turns out I needed 952$a and b in tags once I added that to my marc searching by libraries started working. Now I am trying to get refine search by availability to work. I already have 952$7 set in my marc .. what other holding data field do I need to allow people refine their search to available items |
| 04:45 | brendan_l | bug 4481 maybe of some help |
| 04:45 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items |
| 04:48 | bigbrovar | brendan_l: ahh so I was not doing it wrong then. I heard there is a patch somewhere, How can I get the patch and can it be applied on a working koha instance or I have to compile it from scratch again? |
| 04:49 | brendan_l | not sure are you using git? |
| 04:51 | bigbrovar | nope |
| 04:51 | I just downloaded the latest stable release. | |
| 04:54 | brendan_l: most likely might have to wait for the next stable release upgrade my current instance then | |
| 04:55 | * bigbrovar | time to catch some sleep before day break |
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| 05:09 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 05:40 | brendan_l | heya cait |
| 05:40 | heya hdl | |
| 05:41 | hdl | hi brendan_l |
| 05:43 | brendan_l | hdl++ #just cause I saw some awesome pics of you from KohaCon |
| 05:53 | hdl | brendan_l: thanks |
| 05:56 | cait | hi brendan |
| 05:57 | hi hdl | |
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| 07:02 | brendan_l | @wunder ukiah, ca |
| 07:02 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is -0.4�C (10:59 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:14 | cait | @wunder Konstnaz |
| 07:14 | munin | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 07:14 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:14 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:16 | chris | @wunder wellingtn nz |
| 07:16 | munin | chris: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 07:16 | chris | @wunder wellington nz |
| 07:16 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:16 | chris | @wunder fribourg |
| 07:16 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Plaffeien-Oberschrot, Switzerland is -2.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: (Rising). |
| 07:18 | cait | fribourg? |
| 07:18 | hi chris | |
| 07:18 | chris | thats where my friend penny is going today |
| 07:19 | she lives in switzerland | |
| 07:20 | http://she.geek.nz/ | |
| 07:26 | cait | ah :) |
| 07:27 | not so far away | |
| 07:29 | chris | yup |
| 07:32 | cait | chris? |
| 07:32 | ibot | chris is awake to early |
| 07:32 | cait | git? |
| 07:33 | ibot | freaking rules |
| 07:33 | cait | ibot is cool :) |
| 07:33 | ibot? | |
| 07:33 | ibot | cait? |
| 07:33 | cait | ok, time to stop playing and go to work |
| 07:33 | bye :) | |
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| 07:35 | Amit | @wunder New Delhi |
| 07:35 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 20.0�C (12:30 PM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:35 | Amit | @wunder Dehradun |
| 07:35 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 21.0�C (11:30 AM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1014 hPa. |
| 07:35 | Amit | @wunder Bangalore |
| 07:35 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 23.0�C (11:30 AM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. |
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| 07:52 | hdl | re |
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| 08:05 | bfleming | @wunder Livingston Montana |
| 08:05 | munin | bfleming: The current temperature in Livingston, Montana is -22.0�C (12:53 AM MST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -27.0�C. Windchill: -34.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 5 PM MST Wednesday... |
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| 08:36 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:37 | bfleming | hello |
| 08:37 | ibot | bonjour, bfleming |
| 08:37 | hdl | hi kf |
| 08:37 | so there are two bots now... | |
| 08:37 | @seen chris | |
| 08:37 | munin | hdl: chris was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 1 second ago: <chris> yup |
| 08:38 | hdl | I am looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search. |
| 08:39 | I cannot get to configuration pages. Is it because of permissions ? | |
| 08:39 | chris Is there a How To write db_dependent tests ? | |
| 08:40 | much of its code still relies on smolder tests. Is it still OK to use that ? | |
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| 08:50 | ivanc | hi #koha |
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| 09:02 | magnus | ata marie, #koha |
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| 09:41 | kf | closed wrong window :( |
| 09:43 | magnus | kf: ah, i thought i scared you off... |
| 09:45 | kf | magnus: no :) |
| 09:45 | magnus | :-) |
| 09:58 | braedon|h | @wunder auckland |
| 09:58 | munin | braedon|h: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:06 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 10:06 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0�C (10:50 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:07 | magnus | and this is what it actually looked like this morning: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5203884872/ ;-) |
| 10:21 | kf | we have grey sky again |
| 10:56 | bigbrovar | kf: thanks once again for your help yesterday. |
| 10:57 | kf | no problem bigbrovar - glad it helped |
| 10:57 | bigbrovar | magnus: thanks too. You guys rock |
| 10:58 | magnus | np bigbrovar :-) |
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| 12:08 | magnus | kia ora nengard |
| 12:08 | nengard | hiya magnus |
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| 12:12 | magnus | hiya tcohen |
| 12:13 | tcohen | hi magnus |
| 12:13 | just got my morning coffee | |
| 12:13 | its early 9 in the morning here : D | |
| 12:14 | magnus | lucky - a full day ahead... ;-) |
| 12:14 | s/lucky/lucky you/ | |
| 12:18 | lunchtime here - bbl | |
| 12:18 | magnus is now known as magnus_a | |
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| 12:38 | * druthb | watches jwagner closely, for signs of attempts to make her miserable. They won't succeed, of course. |
| 12:45 | * jwagner | will give druthb a break for today. Will return to the effort after Thanksgiving. |
| 12:45 | druthb | groooooovy. |
| 12:45 | jwagner | It's harder to make someone miserable from a distance and I'm working from home today :-) |
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| 12:58 | gmcharlt | here's the to Thanksgiving cease-fire ;) |
| 13:00 | hdl | hi gmcharlt |
| 13:00 | gmcharlt | hi hdl |
| 13:00 | hdl | Happy Thanksgiving american folks |
| 13:03 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 13:03 | we did a test upgrade of our production server today - worked great, no mysql errors, no problems so far :) | |
| 13:04 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 13:08 | hdl | kf: which version are you upgraing from ? |
| 13:09 | kf | 3.01.61 |
| 13:09 | straigt forward :) | |
| 13:10 | have to test a bit more, at the moment I am anonymizing the database | |
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| 13:57 | * owen | thinks all the Americans must be off baking |
| 13:57 | * druthb | waves to owen and schuster. |
| 14:02 | * nengard | doesn't bake |
| 14:03 | goes to other people's houses - they bake for her | |
| 14:05 | hdl | bake |
| 14:05 | wave | |
| 14:05 | micro | |
| 14:05 | * druthb | loves to bake! :) |
| 14:05 | hdl | hehe owen there is a life out there. |
| 14:06 | gmcharlt | nengard++ # that's the best way to do it |
| 14:06 | nengard | :) |
| 14:07 | I do have to get a bday cake today | |
| 14:07 | it's momma's bday tomorrow | |
| 14:07 | but i'll be buying that - not baking | |
| 14:09 | * jwagner | isn't baking, just hiding at home from all the traffic. Getting home yesterday was bad enough.... |
| 14:10 | * owen | has some potato-peeling to do tonight |
| 14:15 | * kf | likes baking |
| 14:17 | magnus_a is now known as magnus | |
| 14:18 | * druthb | waves to magnus |
| 14:18 | * magnus | waves back to druthb |
| 14:22 | schuster | happy Gobble gobble! |
| 14:26 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 14:26 | Baking? | |
| 14:26 | * jcamins | wishes he were baking |
| 14:26 | magnus | g'day jcamins |
| 14:27 | nah... | |
| 14:28 | jcamins | magnus: you don't want to bake? |
| 14:29 | magnus | well, i wouldn't mind i guess, i'm just not doing it at the moment |
| 14:30 | kf | jcamins: what would you like to bake? |
| 14:30 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 14:31 | I would like to bake those wonderful pain au chocolat. :) | |
| 14:31 | * jwagner | invites jcamins, kf, and druthb over to bake for me |
| 14:31 | druthb | :D |
| 14:31 | kf | jcamins: yummy |
| 14:32 | jcamins | kf: yeah, I was very happy with the results. |
| 14:32 | kf | perhaps you should start a photo blog... |
| 14:32 | or an international delivery service ;) | |
| 14:33 | oh | |
| 14:33 | jcamins | kf: I tried the blogging thing once. |
| 14:33 | I don't have a camera. | |
| 14:34 | kf | question: someone willing and able to sign-off on my patch for adding state to all 3 addresses? |
| 14:34 | jcamins | Nor do I write good addresses. |
| 14:34 | Argh! | |
| 14:34 | Recipes. | |
| 14:35 | kf | lol |
| 14:35 | yeah, I understood ;) | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | That makes one of us. ;) |
| 14:36 | kf | I have a recipe from you - it looked good to me |
| 14:51 | jcamins | kf: it's an illusion. |
| 14:51 | owen | kf, what's the bug number of your state patch? |
| 14:52 | kf | owen: looking it up |
| 14:53 | Bug 5422 | |
| 14:53 | bug 5422 | |
| 14:53 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5422 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Separate state field for patron's adresses |
| 14:53 | kf | ah, for a moment I thought munin lost the bot fight |
| 14:53 | and ignore the typo... address | |
| 14:54 | jcamins | ibot? |
| 14:54 | ibot | yes, jcamins? |
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| 14:54 | jcamins | Apparently they came to a truce. |
| 14:55 | kf | owen: is that ok? a branch? I can create patches later |
| 14:55 | owen | Yeah, only now I have to remember how to check out from someone else's repo :) |
| 14:55 | kf | oh, I can tell you :) |
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| 14:56 | owen | Is that on the wiki? If not, tell me and I'll add it |
| 14:56 | jcamins | kf++ # for git awesomeness |
| 14:56 | kf | the repo is |
| 14:56 | jcamins: chris++ for teaching me at kohacon :) | |
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| 14:58 | kf | git remote add <your name for it> <url> |
| 14:59 | git fetch <your name for it> | |
| 14:59 | git checkout -b <your branch name> <your name for it>/<name of branch at public repo> | |
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| 15:00 | kf | hope that makes sense :) |
| 15:02 | owen | Yes, thanks! |
| 15:03 | kf | thanks for testing :) |
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| 15:09 | owen | kf: Good news, nothing broke! ;) |
| 15:09 | kf: I wonder if it would be logical to apply the same change to the structure of the branches table? | |
| 15:09 | kf | file a bug for it ;) |
| 15:09 | I think it would be, but better make a separate patch for it | |
| 15:10 | owen | Yeah, I agree. It doesn't hold up the usefulness of your changes |
| 15:10 | kf | and feel free to make the display better - I was not sure how it has to look like |
| 15:12 | owen | Oh, I see something else to put on the list (sorry) |
| 15:12 | kf | no problem |
| 15:12 | owen | The cities table should be updated to offer a state field as well |
| 15:12 | kf | oh |
| 15:12 | we don't use that, have not thougth about it | |
| 15:13 | I think filing bugs with some information how it has to work would be good | |
| 15:13 | we don't have that in addresses here | |
| 15:13 | owen | Yes, I'll file separate bugs for those two ideas |
| 15:17 | kf | that would be great |
| 15:17 | jcamins | nengard: 30-something pages of documentation coming your way. Happy Thanksgiving! |
| 15:18 | nengard | woo hoo!! :) |
| 15:21 | kf | jcamins: what is the topic? :) |
| 15:22 | jcamins | I know that nothing makes a person, especially a documentation manager, thankful like the thought "at least I didn't have to write *this*." |
| 15:22 | owen | Hopefully baking |
| 15:22 | jcamins | kf: Koha. |
| 15:22 | It's the ANS site manual. | |
| 15:22 | kf | ? |
| 15:22 | jcamins | So now nengard can take what's useful for the main manual. |
| 15:22 | I documented how we do things, and all our configuration. | |
| 15:23 | Painfully. | |
| 15:23 | kf | ah |
| 15:23 | :) | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | The problem is that I had to write it in Microsoft Word, and then I didn't really have any way to get it out other than copy-and-paste. |
| 15:23 | kf | doing that in German for my coworkers right now |
| 15:23 | * jcamins | hates MS Word |
| 15:26 | jcamins | Well, feel free to translate any useful parts of the ANS's documentation into German. |
| 15:27 | kf | jcamins++ |
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| 15:31 | magnus is now known as magnus_a | |
| 15:36 | nengard | k - i think i'm done with reports for today |
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| 15:41 | kf | hdl: I can't reach http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bi[…]?p=koha;a=summary - is it broken? |
| 15:42 | hdl | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=summary |
| 15:42 | No cgi-bin/gitweb | |
| 15:43 | kf: where did you get that link from ? | |
| 15:43 | kf | public repo site on the iwki |
| 15:43 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_Git_Repositories | |
| 15:49 | nengard | jcamins i like the cataloging sheet!! |
| 15:50 | gonna find a way to get that into the manual | |
| 15:50 | kf | hdl: I updated the link |
| 15:50 | nengard | even though it's not koha specific - it is something i get asked for |
| 15:50 | jcamins | Lesson for posterity: if you have run a script which opens and saves every record, it might not be a good idea to use the log viewer over that time period. |
| 15:50 | nengard: I'm not surprised. | |
| 15:51 | Especially for sites that have just migrated from a non-marc system. | |
| 15:52 | * jcamins | remembers when all web browsers had frame rates. |
| 15:52 | jcamins | He doesn't know how he didn't go mad, now that he's experiencing it all over again. ;) |
| 15:54 | hdl | kf: thanks |
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| 15:57 | owen | kf: Sent you a patch with some additional changes for Bug 5422 |
| 15:57 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5422 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Separate state field for patron's adresses |
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| 16:00 | kf | owen: great - thank you! |
| 16:01 | I have another one that needs sign-off: bug 5430 | |
| 16:01 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5430 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn |
| 16:02 | kf | owen: oh scary, I used a grep to find all files - wonder how I missed all those! |
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| 16:03 | owen | It was only one template file missing the state, but all those scripts use that same include |
| 16:03 | kf | yeah, but they should have shown up :( will check my command |
| 16:03 | can you perhaps attach for patch to the bug? | |
| 16:04 | I am not sure how to get the patch out of your mail correctly | |
| 16:04 | owen | I think if you save the email as a text file you can apply it just like that |
| 16:05 | kf | we are talking about ms outlook here... |
| 16:06 | I think it will miss the header - telling it that it was you who wrote it | |
| 16:06 | owen | I'll send it to you as an attachment |
| 16:07 | jcamins | Does anyone else use 583 Action Note? |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | what I learned about patches from email |
| 16:08 | you have to have the FROM header at the top | |
| 16:08 | a SUBJECT header | |
| 16:09 | and the content (all content) of the body of the message | |
| 16:09 | and good morning. | |
| 16:09 | * jcamins | goes to add "good morning" to all his patches. |
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| 16:10 | wizzyrea | lol o no |
| 16:10 | gmcharlt | jcamins++ |
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| 16:10 | * wizzyrea | would like to note that you do *not* have to add "good morning" to all of your patches. |
| 16:10 | gmcharlt | @quote add * wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not* have to add "good morning" to all of your patches. |
| 16:10 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #105 added. |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | >.< lol |
| 16:11 | jcamins | Good morning, wizzyrea. |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | good morning, jcamins |
| 16:17 | jwagner | chris_n, online? |
| 16:18 | I know I remember seeing a bug about searching by date in the label creator, where if you click select all in the results list it only adds the first title to the batch. I can't find the bugzilla report, though. Anyone remember this one, and whether it's fixed? | |
| 16:19 | kf | owen++ thx |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | jwagner, are you thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5391 |
| 16:23 | munin | 04Bug 5391: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, can't add multiples to batch |
| 16:23 | owen | kf: What resource uses control number as the search point? |
| 16:24 | kf | it depends where your records are from |
| 16:24 | jwagner | wizzyrea, thanks -- that's it! |
| 16:25 | slef | owen: was bug 3652 default escape => "HTML" patch ever applied? |
| 16:25 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities |
| 16:25 | kf | I am quite sure you can build a link for worldcat, we will use it for our union catalog and for academic libraries that participate in our union catalog and have those numbers, like the university of heidelberg |
| 16:25 | owen: I can give you an example, give me a second | |
| 16:25 | owen | slef: No. It went into a testing branch and that was the last I heard of it |
| 16:26 | slef: I wonder if the switch to template toolkit makes it moot | |
| 16:26 | slef | owen: do you know.... heh, snap! |
| 16:26 | kf | owen: enter this as control number in one record for testing: 316187453 |
| 16:27 | slef | owen: OK if I add it to the 3.4 Roadmap as a must-have if the switch to template toolkit doesn't happen? |
| 16:27 | kf | owen: and this as search link: http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN={CONTROLNUMBER} |
| 16:27 | owen | slef: Fine with me. |
| 16:27 | slef | munin: @later tell chris_n would you consider fixing bug 3652 in 3.2.x? |
| 16:27 | munin | slef: Error: "@later" is not a valid command. |
| 16:28 | slef | @later tell chris_n would you consider fixing bug 3652 in 3.2.x? |
| 16:28 | munin | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:28 | slef | munin: ratbag. |
| 16:28 | munin | slef: Error: "ratbag." is not a valid command. |
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| 16:30 | wizzyrea | ratbag? |
| 16:30 | ibot | it has been said that ratbag is an affectionate term, often bandied about in a playful manner. It's best not to get offended. |
| 16:32 | slef | Updated http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]#Template_Toolkit |
| 16:32 | druthb | wizzyrea? |
| 16:32 | ibot | wizzyrea is probably a ray of sunshine. |
| 16:33 | slef | Where's the manual? |
| 16:33 | ibot | the manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 16:33 | slef | Who's your daddy? |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | who's your daddy? |
| 16:34 | kf | slef? |
| 16:34 | druthb | ibot: daddy? |
| 16:34 | ibot | daddy is chris |
| 16:34 | slef | kf: erm, no |
| 16:34 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 16:35 | kf | nah, just checking what he knows about you :) |
| 16:35 | ibot: botsnack chocolate chip cookie | |
| 16:35 | ibot | thanks kf :) |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | slef? |
| 16:35 | ibot | slef is, like, an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | slef? |
| 16:36 | ibot | i think slef is an avid cyclist |
| 16:36 | kf | owen: so it did work for you? |
| 16:36 | owen | Yup, worked perfectly |
| 16:36 | kf | cool :) |
| 16:36 | it will be really handy for our catalogs around here | |
| 16:37 | owen++ | |
| 16:41 | nengard | jcamins cheat sheet added to the manual |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea if you want to pull the 3.2 manual then jcamins can see it ;) | |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 16:41 | nengard++ | |
| 16:41 | nengard | not i'll read the rest, but that guide was a biggie!! |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | heh in a few I will (workin on something right this second) |
| 16:41 | nengard | np |
| 16:42 | * jcamins | didn't want it to be said that he didn't provide enough details. :) |
| 16:42 | owen | Okay, Koha interlude over. Back to non-Koha coding. |
| 16:42 | jcamins | All our interns now know to turn white when I say "oh, hey, I just printed out X for you." |
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| 16:54 | kf | bye :) |
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| 17:11 | chris_n | slef: by all means, yes |
| 17:11 | * chris_n | wonders how that got overlooked |
| 17:30 | slef | chris_n: thanks. |
| 17:30 | chris_n | slef: has that patch been tested/committed, etc? |
| 17:31 | slef | chris_n: I don't know and couldn't find it. owen mentioned something about it being on a testing branch. |
| 17:31 | chris_n | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9fbaeaf67efba2417 |
| 17:32 | slef | chris_n: if you're willing to consider it for release, I think I'm willing to test it. |
| 17:32 | chris_n: OK, that's confusing. I thought owen wrote the patch, not gcollum. | |
| 17:32 | chris_n | slef: if that is the correct fix, I'll push it now |
| 17:32 | slef | chris_n: also, I don't understand why my git log didn't see that commit. |
| 17:32 | owen | That's just one small fix |
| 17:33 | * chris_n | realizes that is already there :-P |
| 17:33 | owen | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2b3a169c20df31966 |
| 17:33 | chris_n | so we have that in 3.2.x atm |
| 17:34 | is the current status of the bug correct? | |
| 17:35 | owen | My patch for Bug 3652 has only been pushed to a testing branch, new/bug3652 |
| 17:35 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities |
| 17:35 | chris_n | owen: will your patch finish the fix |
| 17:35 | slef | Maybe that should be PATCH-Sent? |
| 17:35 | owen | No, that patch will only cover the OPAC |
| 17:35 | slef | with a note/link to where the patch is? |
| 17:35 | owen | Actually I thought I'd sent fixes for the staff client too |
| 17:36 | chris_n | slef: I will push any security/exploit related patches |
| 17:39 | owen | I do have changes for the staff client, but the work is a few months old now. I'm sure it will have to be updated. |
| 17:40 | I'm willing to do so, but I'm wondering if the template-toolkit change will make my work invalid for 3.4 | |
| 17:41 | slef | I suspect it will, as long as it happens. It's still good for 3.2. |
| 17:41 | And we might end up needing it for 3.4. | |
| 17:42 | * chris_n | thinks any security related bugs should be fixed regardless |
| 17:45 | chris | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]late_toolkit_test |
| 17:46 | any changes you make will carry over | |
| 17:47 | escape=HTML becomes | h in TT | |
| 17:49 | and |url etc | |
| 17:51 | slef | chris: can we set a default, though? |
| 17:51 | rather than rely on people remembering |h after everything | |
| 17:53 | chris | yes we can, but then you have to change everywhere you want to turn it off too |
| 17:53 | the first cut of template::toolkit conversion is provide an equivalent version | |
| 17:54 | phase 2, we can change things like the default | |
| 17:55 | slef | When's phase 2? |
| 17:56 | owen | chris: I've done work to do that, to set the default and to change everywhere we want to turn it off |
| 17:57 | I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an aspect of template-toolkit that would make my work invalid | |
| 17:57 | chris | nope, none at all owen |
| 17:57 | owen | Glad to hear it :) |
| 17:57 | slef | chris: so we can get owen's patches into 3.2 and then get an equivalent version for 3.4 from the TT-conversion? |
| 17:57 | chris | yep |
| 17:57 | slef | cool. |
| 17:58 | chris | people testing the templates would be very handy |
| 18:00 | chris_n | slef: I'll push fixes as chris pushes them to head |
| 18:28 | chris | I might get a chance today |
| 18:29 | More likely tomorrow | |
| 18:29 | I think this horrible tradgedy might mean I need to help out on stuff | |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea | :( so awful |
| 18:33 | slef | On a happier note, would anyone like to opine about bug 5377? I think Koha 3.0 also rejects multiple ISBNs on some MARC imports but I could be wrong. |
| 18:33 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5377 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Database fields too small for multiple ISBN and ISSN |
| 18:34 | gmcharlt | slef: IMO, if we need to store all ISBNs in some fashion outside of the MARC record, we should do it Right (tm) and create a separate table |
| 18:34 | specifically, a biblioisbns | |
| 18:34 | or more generally | |
| 18:34 | jcamins | gmcharlt++ |
| 18:34 | chris | Yeah |
| 18:34 | gmcharlt | a biblio_attributes |
| 18:35 | chris | Do we need to store them outside tho? |
| 18:35 | gmcharlt | good question |
| 18:36 | for the purpose of generating displays, main advantage would be to avoid a MARC/MARCXML parsing it, so a separate table to cache them could be speedy | |
| 18:36 | another purpose would be to enable SQL queries on bib records using something faster than MySQL's rlike operator | |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | would this proposal also help the issue of multiple ISBN's for a single record (i.e. 10 vs 13 digit ISBN) |
| 18:37 | chris | Right, so for acqui where we haven't already parsed the full record? |
| 18:38 | Not by just changing a field size, no not really wizzyrea | |
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| 18:39 | wizzyrea | the reason I ask that question is because you have to put the 10 digit ISBN in the marc field first for amazon covers to show |
| 18:39 | jcamins | wizzyrea: didn't BibLibre have a fix for that? |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | probably |
| 18:40 | jwagner | Bug 4305, I think. It's on my list. |
| 18:40 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4305 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, RESOLVED FIXED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13 |
| 18:40 | chris | Yeah that's a sep issue |
| 18:40 | gmcharlt | and I suspect it may have to be reopened |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | but, (and it's likely i'm not understanding correctly) abstracting the ISBN's might make it easier to work with amazon. Or not. I really don't know. |
| 18:41 | gmcharlt | most books published in the last few years don't have ISBN-10s |
| 18:41 | jcamins | I agree, though, that ISBN's shouldn't be stored in an ugly lump in a text field. |
| 18:41 | chris | Not really |
| 18:41 | gmcharlt | so I'm not quite sure if/how/why the Amazon API has a problem with ISBN-13s |
| 18:41 | chris | Yep but I think maybe we don't store them outside the marc |
| 18:42 | jcamins | chris: I would agree. |
| 18:42 | I think a biblio_attributes table for standard numbers is just going to lead to chaos and confusion. | |
| 18:42 | chris | That would be my fear |
| 18:43 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, not necessarily, but to do it right, we'd have to ensure that biblio_attributes was maintained purely automatically |
| 18:43 | chris | And out of syncness |
| 18:43 | Yeah | |
| 18:43 | gmcharlt | i.e., the code would never write to that table directly |
| 18:43 | slef | Anyone know where Fridolyn SOMERS is from? |
| 18:43 | (reporter of that bug) | |
| 18:43 | chris | Ch I think |
| 18:43 | jcamins | gmcharlt: even with that, I think there would be problems. |
| 18:44 | chris | I have a patch of theirs to test |
| 18:44 | jcamins | ISBNs are *not* unique. |
| 18:44 | They're supposed to be, yet, but three books sitting on my shelf can assure you they aren't. | |
| 18:44 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, no, but I don't think anybody was proposing to use them as a unique identifier |
| 18:44 | chris | Crap bus has stopped |
| 18:44 | gmcharlt | obviously publishers have long proven that they can't manage to assign ISBNs consistently |
| 18:45 | jcamins | gmcharlt: yeah, but then you need to use a join table. |
| 18:45 | slef | Shall I summarise the desire for biblio_attributes in that bug report, or would gmcharlt or someone like to put it more eloquently? |
| 18:45 | gmcharlt | slef: I'll put something in now |
| 18:45 | no guarantees about eloquence | |
| 18:46 | slef: btw, what's up with the BL releasing 3 million bib records in RDF but not in a form that most libraries can use directly, i.e., MARC? | |
| 18:47 | jcamins | Which I guess wouldn't be so bad if biblio and biblioitem were combined, but it seems to me that queries would quickly get complicated otherwise. |
| 18:47 | gmcharlt: just following the lead of LC with id.loc.gov? | |
| 18:47 | slef | gmcharlt: I don't know. What's up with the BL releasing 3 million bib records under non-commercial licences? |
| 18:48 | gmcharlt | slef: how is CC0 non-commercial? |
| 18:49 | it's essentially putting the records in the public domain, so commercial and non-commercial users can play alike | |
| 18:50 | admittedly, it's churlish of me to ask "may I have some more?", but since very few library catalogs can do anything with RDF triples | |
| 18:50 | slef | gmcharlt: they changed from the last release? |
| 18:50 | I missed that. | |
| 18:50 | Too little time... | |
| 18:50 | gmcharlt | slef: http://openbiblio.net/2010/11/[…]ary-data-release/ |
| 18:51 | slef | oh well, maybe flaming them for NC did some good ;-) |
| 18:51 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 18:51 | jcamins | gmcharlt: it has been my observation that most library data is "released" in formats of doubtful value. |
| 18:51 | * jcamins | coughs |
| 18:52 | gmcharlt | gotta protect those MARC record monopolies, I guess |
| 18:52 | jcamins | "next generation discovery tools" |
| 18:52 | slef | is there something to make a XSLT to MARCXML non-trivial? |
| 18:53 | gmcharlt | slef: RDFXML to MARCXL wouldn't be hard, but it looks like a lot of the information from the MARC records didn't make it to the RDF in the BL dataset |
| 18:54 | leaving the stones rather unbloody | |
| 18:55 | slef | hrm, blooming sausagemakers |
| 18:55 | * jcamins | coughs |
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| 18:56 | gmcharlt | jcamins: coming down with a case of biblioitis? |
| 18:56 | jcamins | gmcharlt: yeah. |
| 18:57 | I find it incredibly frustrating that I can't find out what books are *actually* owned by the library when I search in these next generation catalogs. | |
| 18:58 | sekjal | jcamins: *actual* ownership is soooo last century |
| 19:00 | slef | I'm getting confused here. Does biblioitems.isbn ever contain multiple |-delimited values? |
| 19:01 | sekjal | slef: it can, if multiple 020s are in the MARC |
| 19:02 | but the field size limit usually cuts the second number short | |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | jcamins: heh, we only "license" our library materials nowadays. </snark> |
| 19:03 | slef | sekjal: ok... I've got to figure out what patch to cherrypick. Thanks. |
| 19:04 | * wizzyrea | imagines an EULA on the selfchecks. Dies a little inside. |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | afk, crying in beer. |
| 19:06 | sekjal | slef: gladly. all this ISBN talk has made for the most entertaining lunch break in a while |
| 19:06 | * gmcharlt | blinks |
| 19:06 | sekjal | what that says about me, I'm not sure |
| 19:07 | * druthb | waves, and heads out to catch the bus. |
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| 19:09 | sekjal | maybe its that I don't usually take lunch breaks... |
| 19:09 | anyway, time to get back to T-giving prep | |
| 19:11 | thank you all for being part of this community! you guys are one of the many things i have to be thankful for | |
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| 19:12 | chris | owen: gonna make a branch and apply your patch now, its all quiet at the news room |
| 19:12 | slef | OK, I don't get this. According to git, this code isn't buggy in master, but according to git log -u master, it was never removed by a commit. Help! |
| 19:13 | owen | chris: the patch is pretty old now, good luck |
| 19:13 | chris | yeah, we'll see how much it conflicts |
| 19:14 | slef | Does git log -u not show all diffs for the file? |
| 19:14 | chris | if its really messy, ill push it up with the conflict markers, into its own branch, and ask you to look |
| 19:14 | oh, galen already did push it | |
| 19:15 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]heads/new/bug3652 | |
| 19:16 | ill attempt to merge master in and see if it explodes | |
| 19:16 | slef | oh. dear. |
| 19:16 | I just found the source of my confusion. Bug introduced by a patch that's only on our fork :-((( | |
| 19:17 | chris | owen: only 2 conflicts |
| 19:17 | slef | I lose. Time to shoot the reviewer. Oh, that's me. |
| 19:17 | chris | and tiny ones too |
| 19:17 | yay | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Wow! |
| 19:22 | Is bug 3652 the one for escaping the templates? | |
| 19:22 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities |
| 19:22 | chris | yes |
| 19:22 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]heads/new/bug3652 | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | That's a lot of changes. |
| 19:22 | chris | feel free to test it out |
| 19:23 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2b3a169c20df31966 | |
| 19:23 | is the changes | |
| 19:24 | owen | Looks like my work on the staff client doesn't have too many conflicts either |
| 19:25 | chris | owen: sweet, when you submit that, ill push it to the same branch |
| 19:30 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5430: Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d6041969749a8a8dd> |
| 19:30 | hudsonbot | Starting build 174 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:31 | nengard | 100 commit emails down - 200 to go ... manual updates a plenty :) |
| 19:32 | owen | nengard++ |
| 19:32 | nengard | i keep waiting for the time that I update the wrong edition of the manual .... |
| 19:32 | this is the first time i've had to juggle two versions | |
| 19:33 | jcamins | manual? |
| 19:33 | ibot | manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 19:33 | jcamins | I love that! |
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| 19:37 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea | manual pdf? |
| 19:39 | ibot | rumour has it manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-c[…]a3-2manual-en.pdf |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | jcamins? |
| 19:40 | ibot | it has been said that jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. |
| 19:40 | * chris_n | tosses ibot a cookie |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | ibot: botsnack grape nuts |
| 19:42 | ibot | :) |
| 19:44 | chris_n | hudson? |
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| 19:46 | richard | hi |
| 19:46 | chris | hi richard |
| 19:46 | chris_n | hi richard |
| 19:46 | richard | heya chris |
| 19:46 | and chris_n | |
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| 19:47 | gmcharlt | hudson is my bestest bot-buddy ever |
| 19:47 | hudson? | |
| 19:47 | ibot | i heard hudson was your bestest bot-buddy ever |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | hudson is Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ |
| 19:48 | jcamins | hudson? |
| 19:48 | ibot | i think hudson is gmcharlt's bestest bot-buddy ever |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | hmm |
| 19:48 | not quite what I had in mind | |
| 19:48 | hudson? | |
| 19:48 | ibot | i think hudson is your bestest bot-buddy ever |
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| 19:48 | richard | ibot: hudson is also Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ |
| 19:48 | ibot | okay, richard. |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | hudson? |
| 19:49 | ibot | i heard hudson was your bestest bot-buddy ever or Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | hudson is Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ |
| 19:49 | hudson? | |
| 19:49 | ibot | rumour has it hudson is Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ |
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| 19:53 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #174: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/174/ |
| 19:53 | Katrin Fischer: Bug 5430: Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn | |
| 20:01 | owen | chris: Staff client patch for Bug 3652 sent |
| 20:01 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities |
| 20:02 | chris | cool thanks |
| 20:13 | pushed up to branch new/bug3652 | |
| 20:14 | owen | It's a wide-ranging change. Difficult to test :| |
| 20:16 | slef | Does anyone know how self-issue machines implement diacriticals and other non-ASCII characters over SIP? It doesn't seem to be specified in the 3M protocols. |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | slef: it's all over the map |
| 20:16 | various between devices that will accept anything that you throw at them (may not display diacritics correctly, though) | |
| 20:16 | and others that may insist on particular character encodings | |
| 20:16 | slef | gmcharlt: deep joy. So again, I get to watch tcpdump to see what the client tries? Any idea how Koha behaves? |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | slef: I have a 3M emulator here |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | slef: IIRC Koha just passes any UTF-8 characters over as is |
| 20:20 | slef | wizzyrea: can you give it a patron card whose owner has a non-ASCII name? |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | I think so, gimme a min |
| 20:22 | trea | slef: the library in basehor, ks i helped set up used 3M self issue machines; normally the client goes into a "maintenance mode" generic error screen when scanning diacriticals, specifically when scanning an item. |
| 20:23 | i don't recall it's behavior while scanning a patron card | |
| 20:23 | slef | trea: :-( |
| 20:23 | trea | but chances are good i'd wager the same behavior out of patron cards as well |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | I can verify that actually, when given a card number with a + on the end, the sip connection hangs |
| 20:25 | as well as if there is a diacritic in any data that is passed back and forth (name, street, etc) | |
| 20:26 | I bet we can access logs from the machines if that would help though, slef | |
| 20:27 | slef | wizzyrea: :-( Do you think koha needs to have an option to transliterate for SIP or something? |
| 20:28 | trea | can you elaborate? |
| 20:28 | slef: | |
| 20:28 | gmcharlt | slef: an option to strip diacritics no doubt would help |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | ^^ what he said |
| 20:29 | slef | trea: so ĉ becomes cx, and things like that. |
| 20:29 | gmcharlt: must we strip? Do we already depend on iconv? (/me checks) | |
| 20:30 | yes, we already require Text::Iconv | |
| 20:31 | gmcharlt | slef: yep, allowing one to specify a character conversion would be more flexible; figuring out *what* encoding to use for a given device could be tricky |
| 20:31 | slef | trea: Transliteration is the practice of transcribing a word or text written in one writing system into another writing system or system of rules for such practice. From a linguistic point of view, transliteration is a mapping from one system of writing into another, word by word, or ideally letter by letter. Transliteration attempts to be exact, so that an informed reader should be... http://a.vu/w:Transliteration |
| 20:31 | ||
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| 20:34 | slef | slacker. |
| 20:34 | ebegin | ibot doesn't know about logbot? ;) |
| 20:34 | ibot | ebegin: what? |
| 20:34 | owen | So, am I the only one who didn't know that in the "User Request for update of Record" the changed fields have an all-caps label? |
| 20:34 | slef | ibot: you heard! |
| 20:34 | ibot | slef: i'm not following you... |
| 20:35 | slef | owen: I certainly didn't. :) |
| 20:35 | chris | i didnt know that either |
| 20:35 | slef | heh, secret features. one for nengard. |
| 20:35 | unless it's in the manual already | |
| 20:35 | owen | if($borrowerfield eq $newfield) { ... } else { $message .= uc($field) |
| 20:35 | slef | where's the manual? |
| 20:35 | ibot | the manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 20:35 | slef | ibot: ta |
| 20:35 | ibot | slef: huh? |
| 20:36 | owen | I was just going over the code hoping to be able to add a feature that would highlight the changed fields! |
| 20:36 | The trouble is it seems to always give a false positive on a few fields | |
| 20:36 | Address, emailaddress, b-address | |
| 20:39 | * owen | sees an easy fix for the email false positive |
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| 21:11 | chris | ok, and its fully back now |
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| 21:44 | slef | chris: well done. |
| 21:46 | jcamins | Good night, #koha |
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| 21:53 | chris | heya Nate |
| 21:53 | Nate | hiya chris! |
| 22:02 | chris | Nate: hows things going? |
| 22:03 | Nate | great! pretty hectic though, but thats a good thing |
| 22:03 | chris | yup |
| 22:03 | Nate | how bout you? |
| 22:03 | chris | the same :) |
| 22:04 | Nate | 1600 NZ pics |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | flickr or it didn't happen ;) |
| 22:04 | unless you're naked. Then you can keep them to yourself. | |
| 22:04 | chris | cripes! |
| 22:06 | Nate | HA |
| 22:06 | flickr will happen but i need to get them on the computer first! | |
| 22:07 | chris | hehe |
| 22:11 | did you make it to all the places you wanted to go to? | |
| 22:15 | russ | heya nate |
| 22:16 | Nate | Hey Russ! |
| 22:16 | how goes it? | |
| 22:16 | russ | not bad |
| 22:17 | i second wizzyrea's call for flickr | |
| 22:17 | * russ | bets that you guys went places most of us kiwis havent even been yet |
| 22:18 | Nate | :) |
| 22:18 | yeah im def. gonna work on getting those up | |
| 22:18 | chris | i think they went to every single vineyard |
| 22:19 | Nate | pretty much :) |
| 22:19 | russ | nice |
| 22:19 | Nate | i had to carry tow libby back to the homestay! |
| 22:19 | chris | hehe |
| 22:19 | boosting the local economy, its all good | |
| 22:23 | Nate | yeah for you guys! |
| 22:24 | chris | heh |
| 22:38 | bfleming | @wunder Livingston Montana |
| 22:38 | munin | bfleming: The current temperature in Livingston, Montana is -15.0�C (3:06 PM MST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -20.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 5 PM MST Thursday... |
| 22:38 | bfleming | so...very...cold |
| 22:38 | chris | thats stupid cold :) |
| 22:39 | bfleming | nah, last night was -28c |
| 22:39 | chris | yeah, thats beyond stupid |
| 22:39 | bfleming | This is balmy by comparison |
| 22:43 | chris | http://twitter.com/#!/jransom/[…]/7564820060569601 |
| 22:43 | jo and I try to bribe people to heckle stephen abram | |
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| 22:50 | cfouts | greetings, #koha |
| 22:50 | chris | heya |
| 22:50 | cfouts | can anyone who's not away preparing turkey explain the purpose of this: |
| 22:50 | RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} (.*?)(?:[A-Za-z0-9_-]+)=&(.*) | |
| 22:50 | RewriteRule (.+) $1?%1%2 [N,R,NE] | |
| 22:50 | in the httpd-conf? | |
| 22:52 | chris | the rest of the rules are important too |
| 22:52 | that first one is a regex | |
| 22:52 | cfouts | it has the effect of issuing a redirect to another URL with contiguous value-less variables being concatenated |
| 22:53 | chris | was something liblime did back in the day to allow people to craft urls like |
| 22:53 | cfouts | such that "defaults_items.booksellerid=&defaults_items.coded_location_qualifier=&defaults_items.price=10.00" becomes "defaults_items.defaults_items.defaults_items.defaults_items.price=10.00" |
| 22:53 | chris | http://opac.library.org.nz/isbn/123456 |
| 22:54 | was before my time at liblime, and yours as well :) | |
| 22:54 | cfouts | very much so |
| 22:54 | so many mysteries | |
| 22:54 | chris | yes, theres no reason to have that rewrite in the intranet |
| 22:54 | it provided the start of a nicer interface to the opac | |
| 22:55 | cfouts | I see. so it was an early RESTish sort of interface |
| 22:55 | chris | yup |
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| 22:56 | cait | hi #koha |
| 22:56 | chris | hi cait |
| 22:56 | cait | hi chris :) |
| 22:57 | chris | cfouts: http://opac.library.org.nz/bib/312 |
| 22:57 | it still sorta works | |
| 22:58 | heh that didnt work | |
| 22:58 | try hitting http://opac.liblime.com | |
| 23:01 | cfouts | that's interesting |
| 23:08 | that's an old VMware instance, apparently been repurposed. | |
| 23:09 | chris | heh |
| 23:10 | cait | slef: around? |
| 23:11 | chris, cfouts: what are you playing? | |
| 23:12 | @later tell slef afaik our self check handles diacritics correctly - probably even hebrew titles | |
| 23:12 | munin | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:13 | cait | I worried a lot about hte self check before we went into production - but it really works great :) I love to watch the students when I am at the library for training. |
| 23:14 | cfouts | cait: doing an archeological survey of Apache RewriteRules defined by default in Koha |
| 23:14 | cait | wow |
| 23:14 | sounds like fun :) | |
| 23:15 | cfouts | there's a reason the party follows us |
| 23:16 | jcamins_a | Woohoo! RewriteRule party in Koha-land! |
| 23:20 | chris | cfouts: wanna see some even older stuff? |
| 23:20 | cait | hi jcamins |
| 23:20 | there was something I wanted to tell you... | |
| 23:20 | chris | check out round line 116 in opac-search.pl |
| 23:20 | cait | ah, we reelased 2.6 million records in marc21 ;) |
| 23:20 | * cfouts | is afraid |
| 23:21 | chris | its all commented out |
| 23:21 | cait | cc0 |
| 23:21 | * cait | was reading back in the logs |
| 23:21 | cait | but you perhaps not even remember the discussion :) |
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| 23:23 | jcamins | cait++ |
| 23:23 | cait | it was not my idea - but I thought perhaps it would make you happy |
| 23:24 | druthb | cait++ #for lotsa reasons. |
| 23:24 | jcamins | Very. :D |
| 23:26 | cait | druthb. hmpf! |
| 23:26 | druthb | hmpf! :P |
| 23:31 | magnus_a is now known as magnus | |
| 23:31 | magnus | good night #koha! |
| 23:31 | chris | night magnus |
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| 23:33 | * chris | ducks out for lunch |
| 23:36 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 23:36 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -0.1�C (5:36 PM CST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until midnight CST tonight... |
| 23:37 | * druthb | shivers |
| 23:37 | druthb | @wunder 20852 |
| 23:37 | munin | druthb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 5.1�C (6:33 PM EST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
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| 23:40 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 23:40 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3�C (12:40 AM CET on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:40 | * druthb | hands cait a blanket. |
| 23:41 | cait | thx |
| 23:41 | ok friends - time to sleep for me :) | |
| 23:41 | see you in 8 hours | |
| 23:41 | jcamins | Good night cait. |
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| 23:51 | chris | back |
| 23:54 | druthb is now known as drb_food |
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