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| 08:16 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 08:16 | kmkale | hi all |
| 08:16 | ivanc | hi #koha |
| 08:19 | kf | hi kmkale and ivanc |
| 08:20 | kmkale | hi kf :) |
| 08:20 | kf | kmkale? |
| 08:20 | ibot | kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. |
| 08:20 | kf | ibot++ |
| 08:20 | kmkale | heh kf please.. |
| 08:21 | its embarrassing | |
| 08:21 | kf | just checking if he knows new things :) |
| 08:21 | kmkale | kf? |
| 08:21 | ibot | well, kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. |
| 08:21 | ivanc | guten morgen kf |
| 08:21 | kf | that was druthb... |
| 08:21 | kmkale | druthb? |
| 08:21 | ibot | well, druthb is fond of cookies. |
| 08:22 | kmkale | :)) |
| 08:22 | kf | perhaps we should rename #koha into #cookie |
| 08:22 | kmkale | yeh all that food talk |
| 08:22 | kf | yep, at least you can't gain weight by talking about food |
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| 08:24 | kmkale | its a good thing I dont understand most of the food stuff ;) |
| 08:24 | except maybe pizzas | |
| 08:25 | early weekend in #koha today? very quiet.. | |
| 08:27 | kf | holidays in us |
| 08:27 | kmkale | ohhh |
| 08:28 | thats what brooke meant when she said that nonsense starts this friday. slow on uptake kmkale.. | |
| 08:36 | kf | thanksgiving |
| 08:36 | ibot | i heard thanksgiving was purely an american thing |
| 08:36 | kf | hehe |
| 08:36 | kmkale | :) |
| 08:36 | ibot is getting smarter | |
| 08:37 | chris? | |
| 08:37 | ibot | rumour has it chris is awake to early |
| 08:37 | kmkale | gmcharlt? |
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| 08:40 | magnus | kia ora, #koha! |
| 08:40 | kmkale | hi magnus |
| 08:40 | magnus? | |
| 08:40 | ibot | hmmm... magnus is an awesome fellow. |
| 08:40 | magnus | yay |
| 08:40 | kmkale | :) |
| 08:40 | magnus | hiya kmkale |
| 08:40 | kmkale? | |
| 08:40 | ibot | kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. |
| 08:40 | kmkale | omg |
| 08:40 | magnus | woohoo! |
| 08:41 | kmkale | ibot forget kmkale |
| 08:41 | ibot | kmkale: I forgot kmkale |
| 08:42 | magnus | he was telling the truth, though, wasn't he? |
| 08:43 | @wunder bodo, norway | |
| 08:43 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0�C (9:20 AM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:43 | kmkale | its kinda embarrassing as chris is the guiding force behind all that |
| 08:44 | -7 brrrrr | |
| 08:44 | * magnus | has a nice fire going in the livingroom and a warm laptop on his lap... |
| 08:44 | magnus | and -16 with the windchill... |
| 08:45 | kmkale | @weather Mumbai |
| 08:45 | munin | kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0�C (1:40 PM IST on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:46 | magnus | that's something else... ;-) |
| 08:47 | kmkale | :) |
| 08:48 | and this is supposed to be the most pleasant season here ;) | |
| 08:49 | magnus | hehe |
| 08:50 | "Conditions: Smoke" doesn't sound too pleasant? | |
| 08:54 | kf | kmkale: yeah, but you did provide a unit test - it doesn't matter that chris told you so or helped :) |
| 08:54 | it's still a very good thing to invest time in this | |
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| 08:55 | kmkale | i really wanted to learn that stuff about tests |
| 08:55 | chris++ | |
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| 08:56 | kmkale | its always smokey here |
| 08:57 | too many people and vehicles :( | |
| 08:58 | magnus | :-( |
| 08:58 | and i agree with kf, it doesn't matter why you wrote a test... ;-) | |
| 09:00 | kmkale | Mumbai population is approx 14 million |
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| 09:02 | kf | wow |
| 09:02 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 09:02 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.3�C (10:00 AM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:02 | kf | first snow over night |
| 09:02 | but not much, only a little bit on the grass and trees | |
| 09:03 | magnus | wow, according to wikipedia, the population density in Mumbai is 22,922 /km2 |
| 09:03 | kmkale | yup. actually it must be more |
| 09:03 | magnus | kf: bet it's pretty, then |
| 09:05 | kf | magnus: yep, it makes the day a bit lighter too |
| 09:06 | kmkale | must be an amazing site |
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| 09:11 | magnus | yeah, that's the two good things about snow: it can look pretty and it does make dark winter days lighter... |
| 09:13 | kmkale | the last time I saw snow was in dec 2006 visiting london. got a frostbite on my cheek just walking to the tube station :( |
| 09:16 | magnus | ouch |
| 09:19 | kmkale | and before that was when I did a bit of trekking in himalayas in the 80's |
| 09:19 | so me and cold are mutually exclusive :) | |
| 09:30 | magnus | hehe |
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| 10:08 | hdl | kmkale: have you been up to create db_dependent tests ? Or creating tests on authentication ? |
| 10:09 | kmkale | yay hdl I just created one miserly test for checking the new itembarcodeinputfilter I made for bug 5418 |
| 10:09 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5418 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, New itemBarcodeInputFilter for libsuite8 style barcodes |
| 10:11 | kmkale | hdl: something needs doing? I am relatively free workloadwise atm and in a learning mood .. |
| 10:12 | hdl | well we have some unit tests on Auth_With_LDAP. but would require external configuration file |
| 10:13 | kmkale | ldap schema? |
| 10:13 | havent tried koha auth with ldap | |
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| 12:54 | kf | Colin++ for starting discussion about acq workflow |
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| 14:19 | * magnus | has compiled the pizza dough |
| 14:22 | jcamins_a | Oooooh. |
| 14:22 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 14:22 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 14:24 | magnus | g'day jcamins |
| 14:25 | guess a lot of us'ians take today off too? | |
| 14:25 | jcamins | Oh yes. |
| 14:25 | The ANS is closed. | |
| 14:25 | Today is Black Friday. | |
| 14:26 | * jcamins | will avoid stores at all costs |
| 14:27 | magnus | ans? |
| 14:27 | ibot | hmmm... ans is closed. |
| 14:27 | magnus | sorry ibot, that did not make me much wiser... ;-) |
| 14:27 | kf | ans is the institution where jcamins works |
| 14:27 | magnus | ah |
| 14:27 | jcamins | ibot: no, ANS is the American Numismatic Society |
| 14:27 | ibot | ...but ans is closed.... |
| 14:27 | jcamins | ANS? |
| 14:27 | ibot | rumour has it ANS is closed |
| 14:28 | kf | ibot: ans is not closed |
| 14:28 | ibot | ...but ans is closed.... |
| 14:28 | kf | ibot: ans is not closed |
| 14:28 | ibot | ...but ans is closed.... |
| 14:28 | jcamins | No, ANS is the American Numismatic Society |
| 14:28 | ANS? | |
| 14:28 | ibot | ANS is closed. |
| 14:28 | jcamins | ibot: help? |
| 14:28 | kf | it's like talking to a stubborn child |
| 14:28 | ibot: forget ANS | |
| 14:28 | ibot | kf: I forgot ans |
| 14:29 | kf | ANs is the American Numismatic Society |
| 14:29 | ans? | |
| 14:29 | ibot | it has been said that ans is the American Numismatic Society |
| 14:29 | jcamins | ANS? |
| 14:29 | ibot | ANS is the American Numismatic Society |
| 14:29 | jcamins | :) |
| 14:29 | kf | hehe |
| 14:29 | * magnus | is analyzing logfiles - 70-80% of traffic in Oct & Nov was from the googlebot... |
| 14:29 | magnus | ans? |
| 14:29 | ibot | i guess ans is the American Numismatic Society |
| 14:29 | magnus | woohoo! |
| 14:29 | kf | magnus |
| 14:30 | magnus? | |
| 14:30 | ibot | i guess magnus is an awesome fellow. |
| 14:30 | kf | magnus? |
| 14:30 | ibot | magnus is an awesome fellow. |
| 14:30 | kf | ok, you didn't break it |
| 14:30 | magnus | cool |
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| 14:42 | kf | ibot: ibot? |
| 14:42 | ibot | hmmm... i am still small - he needs to learn more :) |
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| 14:42 | jcamins | @later tell chris My name is already listed in about.tmpl- line 132. Camins-Esakov should be alphabetized under C. |
| 14:42 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:43 | briceSanc | Hello all ! |
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| 14:45 | kf | hi briceSanc |
| 14:47 | briceSanc | Did you ever try to replace Jquery 1.3.2 by jQuery 1.4.3? Have you had problems with JSON? |
| 14:48 | kmkale | a small query, if we want patrons to borrow and return at any branch we have to turn off IndependantBranches? |
| 14:53 | kf | kmkale: I think so |
| 14:53 | because with independant branches they don't exist at the other branch | |
| 14:54 | have you tried it? | |
| 14:54 | kmkale | then does it also give the library staff the same rights in other branches as they have at their own branch? |
| 14:54 | kf | I am not sure about that - but perhaps yes |
| 14:55 | hm, but I woul test it | |
| 14:55 | perhaps you get a transport message - I am not sure. We don't have brnches at the moment and not using independantBranches | |
| 14:55 | kmkale | without IndependantBranches if I try to return a book at some other branch I get "This item must be checked in at the home library NOT CHECKED IN" |
| 14:55 | magnus | kmkale: i think so - if they are serving patrons who "belong" to other branches they need to be able to do most of the same things they can with "local" patrons |
| 14:56 | kmkale | My worry is if I turn off IndependantBranches the branch staff may start meddling in other branches inadvertently :( |
| 14:57 | magnus | hm, i think that is a risk you have to take... ;-) |
| 14:57 | briceSanc: sorry, no experience with replacing jquery... | |
| 14:58 | kmkale | like log in to *wrong* branch and start making modifications to biblios etc.. |
| 14:59 | briceSanc | magnus, i understand. jQuery 1.4.3 works great on koha except with JSON :s |
| 15:00 | jcamins | kmkale: aren't biblio records shared by all branches? I thought it was only items that are branch-specific. |
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| 15:00 | kmkale | humm so you think they wont be able to do much damage? |
| 15:01 | by mistake of curse.. | |
| 15:01 | jcamins | kmkale: actually, my point was that they can do just as much damage. |
| 15:01 | kmkale | hehe :) |
| 15:01 | jcamins | (if I understand correctly how branches work) |
| 15:02 | kmkale | also are items returned at other branch are marked as in transit or something? |
| 15:02 | this is the first time I am having to deal with co-operating branches | |
| 15:02 | jcamins | Also, I don't see how someone could *accidentally* log in with a different branch. On my installations, it defaults to "My Library," which means that you have to intentionally change it to log into a different branch. |
| 15:03 | kmkale: I'm not sure. I've never used circulation. | |
| 15:03 | kmkale | good point about the log in jcamins |
| 15:03 | magnus | briceSanc: see bug 5184 |
| 15:03 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5184 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Upgrade to support jQuery 1.4.2 |
| 15:03 | kmkale | so i think any damage done will have to intentional |
| 15:04 | jcamins | kmkale: I agree. |
| 15:05 | kmkale | good. will talk to the consortium members we have too. they will have better experience in this i think.. |
| 15:05 | briceSanc | munin, thanks! but we need 1.4.3 fonctionnalities of jQuery |
| 15:05 | munin | briceSanc: Error: "thanks!" is not a valid command. |
| 15:07 | kf | kmkale: perhaps there is a syspref for that - let me check (being able to return at other branches) |
| 15:08 | jcamins | kf: can't you limit by item type (looking at bug 5447)? |
| 15:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5447 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Limit search to serials / continuing resources |
| 15:08 | kmkale | kf that would be a great help |
| 15:08 | kf | jcamins: if you use serials you can have serials without items at all |
| 15:08 | serials module | |
| 15:09 | and it requires to have an extra item type for serials and using item type in advanced search instead of collections... | |
| 15:09 | so yes, you could, but a separate search limit would be great | |
| 15:09 | kmkale: I have some notes from very early koha testing, perhaps HomeOrHoldingBranch checking it now | |
| 15:10 | hm no | |
| 15:10 | magnus | briceSanc: i would guess the bug is really for 1.4.x - the newest version... - if you report your experience there it might help with testing |
| 15:11 | kf | it's something different |
| 15:12 | jcamins | kf: we use biblio-level itemtypes. Now that you point it out, I see that of course it doesn't work. |
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| 15:13 | kf | jcamins: the item-level itypes is another problem :( |
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| 15:14 | jcamins | I was going to renew my membership in SLA, but the fact that they don't have a secure website for taking my credit card information is making me question whether that's really a good idea. |
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| 15:16 | kmkale | back |
| 15:17 | kf | kmkale: sorry, didn't relly find something :( |
| 15:17 | kmkale | this is interesting "AutomaticItemReturn Do automatically transfer items to their home branch when they are returned." |
| 15:17 | but what turns this on? | |
| 15:17 | kf | perhaps: HomeOrHoldingBranch / AutomaticItemReturn / canreservefromotherbranches |
| 15:17 | it's a syspref | |
| 15:18 | kmkale | its 3 sysprefs working together you mean? |
| 15:19 | kf | no, candidates that could change something |
| 15:19 | but I am really not sure .( | |
| 15:19 | they don't fit completely | |
| 15:19 | perhaps looking at the code that checks will be best | |
| 15:19 | kmkale | in my case canreservefromotherbranches is set to allow and AutomaticItemReturn is set to Do |
| 15:20 | right thanks kf and jcamins & magnus | |
| 15:20 | problem for tomorrow | |
| 15:20 | god night | |
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| 15:20 | kf | now he was gone fast |
| 15:22 | magnus | yup |
| 15:22 | i'll probably have to run soon too | |
| 15:23 | kf | magnus: I think I found it - looks like there is no option for kmkale with indy branches on |
| 15:24 | magnus | hm |
| 15:24 | pastebot | "kf" at 193.197.29.135 pasted "http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c7d6041969749a8a8" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/108 |
| 15:25 | magnus | "todo"... ;-) |
| 15:27 | kf | yep |
| 15:27 | if that's the only place it's perhaps not very difficult to add it | |
| 15:28 | would probably need another syspref to check | |
| 15:28 | magnus | that's a good sized "if" ;-) |
| 15:28 | @wunder bodo, norway | |
| 15:28 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:31 | kf | a good sized if? |
| 15:31 | magnus | slightly smaller than a "big if"... |
| 15:31 | kf | you confuse me |
| 15:31 | magnus | hehe |
| 15:31 | first i was going to say "that's a big if" | |
| 15:31 | jcamins | kf: magnus thinks that you're overly optimistic. |
| 15:32 | magnus | then i moderated myself a bit |
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| 15:42 | kf | jcamins: in this case.. not so much |
| 15:42 | because that's the return subroutine in C4 | |
| 15:42 | if you only want to open returns... it should be not so bad | |
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| 15:42 | kf | ok, should.. |
| 15:42 | * jcamins | doesn't know anything about it, he was just translating |
| 15:42 | kf | perhaps a medium if |
| 15:43 | magnus | ;-) |
| 15:50 | briceSanc | magnus, munin, i have the answer : all JSON in Koha are malformed, i will create a patch to fix that |
| 15:51 | magnus | briceSanc: cool |
| 15:52 | jcamins | owen? |
| 15:52 | ibot: owen? | |
| 15:52 | ibot | i don't know, jcamins |
| 15:52 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 15:52 | briceSanc | magnus, munin, we have : print "{ jobID: '$jobID' }"; instead of : print '{ "jobID":"' . $jobID . '"}'; |
| 15:56 | kf | owen? |
| 15:56 | magnus | briceSanc: looks like an argument for using a module to do the job... |
| 15:58 | briceSanc | Do you know what is the folder blib/ ? Do i need to make change in it in order to submit a patch ? |
| 15:58 | kf | briceSanc: you can ignore it |
| 15:58 | I think it's something from git | |
| 15:58 | briceSanc | ok |
| 15:58 | kf | no changes required |
| 15:59 | ok, time for the weekend :) | |
| 15:59 | bye all and have a nice weekend! | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | kf: have a nice weekend. |
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| 16:00 | magnus | briceSanc: i think it is some kind of temp storage used during installs or something. just ignore it as kf said |
| 16:01 | briceSanc | kf, magnus, ok! thanks all! i begin to code for the patch... ;) |
| 16:02 | magnus | cool! |
| 16:05 | gotta run - have a nice weekend all! | |
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| 17:02 | cait | hi all |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Hi cait. |
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| 17:09 | ivanc | hi cait |
| 17:09 | cait | hi jcamins and ivanc |
| 17:14 | briceSanc | bug 5449 |
| 17:14 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x |
| 17:15 | cait | briceSanc++ |
| 17:18 | jcamins | briceSanc: is this a problem elsewhere in Koha, too? |
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| 17:40 | briceSanc | jcamins, yes it's a general problem |
| 17:44 | gmcharlt | briceSanc++ |
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| 18:06 | briceSanc | bye all ! Have a good week end ! |
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| 18:28 | mib_jtnln | hi friends, i woul like to know how can i execute: perl installer.pl |
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| 18:31 | jcamins | mib_jtnln: just run the command. |
| 18:32 | mib_jtnln | can you help me pls?? |
| 18:32 | jcamins | I think you may have misspelled installer.pl, though. |
| 18:32 | I'm pretty sure it's installer.PL (notice the capitals) | |
| 18:32 | Wait, no, I was mistaken. | |
| 18:33 | mib_jtnln | ok, thanks jcamins |
| 18:33 | jcamins | I was thinking of Makefile.PL |
| 18:33 | I don't think there is an installer.pl file. | |
| 18:33 | mib_jtnln | but, i´m installing from cpanel |
| 18:33 | cait | there is |
| 18:33 | but it's not supposed to be run | |
| 18:33 | jcamins | cait: I only see *install*.pl. |
| 18:33 | cait | then you are right |
| 18:34 | I was thinking about that one | |
| 18:34 | jcamins | cait: yeah, I was too. |
| 18:34 | Then I thought about Makefile.PL. | |
| 18:34 | cait | :) |
| 18:34 | jcamins | Unfortunately, none of them helped. |
| 18:35 | cait | mib_jtnln: which os? |
| 18:35 | jcamins | mib_jtnln: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:37 | mib_jtnln | i want to install koha |
| 18:37 | cait | on which os? |
| 18:38 | mib_jtnln | i´m logged into a cpanel |
| 18:38 | buy i cant know how can execute de installer | |
| 18:39 | cait | sorry, I don't know how that works |
| 18:39 | jcamins | mib_jtnln: cpanel is a control panel for managing web servers. You must be running it on an Operating System. Probably some version of Linux like Debian or Red Hat. |
| 18:40 | mib_jtnln | how can i enter to OS? I use a web server |
| 18:40 | jcamins | I don't think you can install Koha using cpanel. |
| 18:40 | mib_jtnln: you'd have to ask your service provider. | |
| 18:40 | mib_jtnln | i understand |
| 18:40 | ok | |
| 18:40 | jcamins | It sounds like you might have shared hosting. |
| 18:41 | I don't know if it's possible to install Koha on a shared server. Probably not. | |
| 18:43 | I think you'd need to have root access to install some of the software that Koha requires, like Zebra. | |
| 18:45 | mib_jtnln | i´m logged as root |
| 18:45 | jcamins | With cpanel? |
| 18:45 | Hm. | |
| 18:46 | In that case you probably just need to ask your host how to log in through SSH. | |
| 18:46 | mib_jtnln | i have cpanel 10 |
| 18:46 | rhcl | @seen pianohacker |
| 18:46 | munin | rhcl: Error: 'pianohacker' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. |
| 18:46 | jcamins | mib_jtnln: I've never used cpanel. |
| 18:46 | @seen pianohack | |
| 18:46 | munin | jcamins: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <pianohack> Yeah, sounds right |
| 18:47 | rhcl | @seen pianohack |
| 18:47 | munin | rhcl: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <pianohack> Yeah, sounds right |
| 18:47 | mib_jtnln | maybe i have to login in SSH |
| 18:49 | jcamins | mib_jtnln: yes. |
| 18:50 | mib_jtnln | ok, thanks a lot! |
| 18:51 | i appreciate your help!! | |
| 18:51 | have a nice day friend! | |
| 18:52 | jcamins | Good luck. |
| 18:53 | mib_jtnln | Thank you! |
| 18:53 | Bye. | |
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| 20:52 | * jcamins | shares some chocolate raspberry fudge/caramel |
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| 21:17 | brendan_l | @wunder 93117 |
| 21:17 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.1�C (1:14 PM PST on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Falling). |
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| 21:21 | * jcamins | wonders again why he doesn't live in CA. |
| 21:22 | jcamins | Greetings, brendan_l |
| 21:29 | brendan_l | oh hey jcamins |
| 22:13 | cait | chocolate rasperry fudge? |
| 22:13 | yumm | |
| 22:20 | jcamins | cait: you just inspired me to try a piece. |
| 22:20 | It's delicious. | |
| 22:20 | cait | you offer it to us before trying? |
| 22:20 | jcamins | I'm not quite sure what it is- fudge... caramel... taffee... something else... |
| 22:20 | It was hot. | |
| 22:21 | Actually, I tried a bunch earlier, and it was delicious, but it was also about 90 degrees Celsius. | |
| 22:21 | cait | hehe |
| 22:21 | perhaps I will try your recipe this weekend | |
| 22:22 | if I can persuade my friend to go shopping with me | |
| 22:22 | need some ingredients :) | |
| 22:23 | jcamins | It's easy enough to buy chocolate, sugar, and sweetened condensed milk. :) |
| 22:23 | Actually, if you don't have sweetened condensed milk, you can even use powdered milk. | |
| 22:23 | cait | yep, but have to go to the bigger store for the sweetened condensed milk :) |
| 22:23 | jcamins | No. Dry milk powder. |
| 22:23 | Ah. | |
| 22:23 | cait | or milk powder |
| 22:23 | not sure you buy milk powder here. never seen it. | |
| 22:24 | what's a good flavour for beginners? | |
| 22:24 | jcamins | I think in Europe the brand is Nido. I only ever saw it in one place. |
| 22:24 | Anything that uses an alcohol-based flavoring. | |
| 22:24 | cait | ok, battery low |
| 22:25 | jcamins | If you have any hard liquor on hand, that's a good choice. |
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| 22:25 | jcamins | @later tell cait And it always helps to use a bit of vanilla extract, if you have it. |
| 22:25 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:25 | cait | ok :) |
| 22:25 | we have that | |
| 22:26 | now shutting laptop down - good night all | |
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| 22:39 | gmcharlt | anybody about who can answer a question about Russian? specifically, I want to know if it is legitamate to normalize ? to ? or if that is just Not Done |
| 22:39 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I know Russian, but those came through as question marks. |
| 22:40 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "Russian diacritics" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/109 |
| 22:40 | gmcharlt | jcamins: ^^ |
| 22:40 | jcamins | Definitely not done. |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | so a library catalog that treated them as the same character for searching purposes would be doing the wrong thing, I take it? |
| 22:41 | jcamins | I would think. |
| 22:42 | In transliteration i with a breve is sometimes normalized to plain i. | |
| 22:42 | gmcharlt | jcamins: thanks for confirming my suspicion |
| 22:43 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 22:43 | I'm trying to remember right now if there are any languages written in Cyrillic that don't have the i with the breve. | |
| 22:44 | gmcharlt | does make me wonder about the NACO normalization alogirthm, though; that's the context where this came up for me |
| 22:44 | jcamins | Macedonian does not have i-kratkoe. |
| 22:46 | Instead it has a j. | |
| 22:46 | gmcharlt: what's NACO doing? | |
| 22:47 | gmcharlt | effectively treating i-kratkoe and I as the same character for matching headings |
| 22:48 | jcamins | Hm. I guess they have to because not all systems can search on the diacritic? |
| 22:49 | gmcharlt | I assume so |
| 22:50 | jcamins | I can't say errors in the NACO normalization algorithms would surprise me, though. |
| 22:50 | gmcharlt | the problem (in this case) is that Evergreen uses a version of the NACO normalization algorithm as its default normalizer |
| 22:51 | and (not surprisingly) it looks like this could lead to ... interesting results if you stray out of Western European languages | |
| 22:54 | jcamins | I think that particular issue wouldn't cause any major problems. I don't believe there are any contexts where either letter could occur. |
| 22:54 | gmcharlt | good |
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