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| 01:27 | brendan_l | @wunder ukiah, ca |
| 01:27 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 7.7�C (5:24 PM PST on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am PST Tuesday above 2500 feet... |
| 01:42 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 01:42 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 14.0�C (8:41 PM EST on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 01:53 | brendan_l | heya chris_n |
| 02:07 | for some reason I love looking at git.koha-community.org :) | |
| 02:16 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 02:16 | jcamins | brendan_l: yeah, it's pretty great. |
| 02:16 | brendan_l | heya jcamins :) |
| 02:16 | chris | http://download.koha-community[…]wstats/awstats.pl |
| 02:16 | is fun too | |
| 02:17 | brendan_l | is that just from downloads? or git too? |
| 02:18 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 02:18 | That's a lot of bandwidth usage. | |
| 02:23 | chris | just downloads |
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| 03:23 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:24 | chris | hi Amit |
| 03:25 | brendan_l | Hi Amit |
| 03:27 | Amit | heya brendan |
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| 03:43 | chris | koha? |
| 03:43 | ibot | somebody said koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 03:43 | brendan_l | awesome? |
| 03:43 | chris | it has to learn first |
| 03:43 | awesome is like totally cool | |
| 03:43 | awesome? | |
| 03:43 | ibot | awesome is, like, like totally cool |
| 03:44 | chris | ibot: forget awesome |
| 03:44 | ibot | chris: I forgot awesome |
| 03:47 | chris | ibot: 1+1? |
| 03:47 | ibot | 2 |
| 03:47 | chris | it does other things, but learning factoids is the most useful |
| 03:49 | catalogue search not working? | |
| 03:49 | ibot | well, catalogue search not working is often caused by zebra not reindexing check the search faq at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 03:49 | chris | like that |
| 03:52 | richard | ibot: hi |
| 03:52 | ibot | que tal, richard |
| 03:53 | richard | heh |
| 03:53 | sounds familiar :) | |
| 03:53 | chris | :) |
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| 04:41 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
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| 05:07 | cait | morning #koha |
| 05:08 | brendan_l | heya cait |
| 05:08 | cait | hi brendan :) |
| 05:09 | daniel | hi cait |
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| 05:11 | kmkale | hi all |
| 05:22 | cait | mornig kmkale :) |
| 05:22 | kmkale | morning cait |
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| 05:50 | cait | !hudson botsnack breakfast |
| 05:50 | hudsonbot | cait: yummy! how did you know that breakfast is my favorite food? |
| 06:03 | brendan_l | alright night all ;) |
| 06:06 | cait | night brendan |
| 06:06 | :) | |
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| 06:12 | chris | cait? |
| 06:12 | ibot | i guess cait is a developer! |
| 06:12 | cait | here |
| 06:12 | ? | |
| 06:12 | chris? | |
| 06:12 | chris | catalogue search not working? |
| 06:12 | ibot | hmmm... catalogue search not working is often caused by zebra not reindexing check the search faq at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 06:12 | chris | cait: just playing with the bot |
| 06:12 | cait | oh |
| 06:12 | we have a chat bot | |
| 06:12 | chris | yup |
| 06:13 | until it gets too annoying and i turn it off | |
| 06:13 | :) | |
| 06:13 | cait | and you told him I am a developer? poor bot :) |
| 06:13 | he reacts to ? | |
| 06:13 | chris | cait is also a librarian |
| 06:13 | ibot | okay, chris. |
| 06:13 | chris | cait? |
| 06:13 | ibot | well, cait is a developer! or a librarian |
| 06:14 | cait | lol |
| 06:14 | now you have confused him :) | |
| 06:14 | chris | :) |
| 06:14 | he learns from is/was | |
| 06:14 | koha? | |
| 06:14 | ibot | somebody said koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 06:14 | cait | that's cool |
| 06:14 | chris is great | |
| 06:14 | chris? | |
| 06:14 | ibot | somebody said chris was great |
| 06:14 | cait | hehe |
| 06:14 | chris | no chris is tired |
| 06:15 | cait | you can be both |
| 06:15 | chris | ibot: chris is tired |
| 06:15 | ibot | ...but chris is great... |
| 06:15 | chris | ibot: no, chris is tired |
| 06:15 | ibot | ...but chris is great... |
| 06:15 | chris | hehe he wont listen to me now :) |
| 06:15 | cait | good ibot |
| 06:15 | chris | chris is also tired |
| 06:15 | ibot | okay, chris. |
| 06:15 | chris | chris? |
| 06:15 | ibot | i think chris is great or tired |
| 06:16 | cait | it's still early to be tired - crazy day? |
| 06:17 | chris | yeah, long day |
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| 06:17 | cait | I am still waking up |
| 06:18 | have a feeling I will have a long day too | |
| 06:20 | will never get over this time zone thing :) | |
| 06:23 | chris | hehe |
| 06:24 | cait | want me to test something? |
| 06:26 | will perhaps have some time later today | |
| 06:28 | chris | hmmm |
| 06:29 | cant think of anything off the top of my head | |
| 06:30 | cait | ok |
| 06:31 | hm, looking at my inbox... | |
| 06:32 | there are some bugzilla mails from chris_n | |
| 06:32 | chris | ah yep, any of those you want to look at would be fine |
| 06:32 | cait | already tested some of them on HEAD |
| 06:33 | but retesting in 3.2.1 required too? | |
| 06:33 | chris | that wouldnt hurt |
| 06:33 | cait | I feared you would say that :) |
| 06:35 | when I looked for a bug about hte state field in borrowers, I found some older bugs | |
| 06:35 | like bug 3777 | |
| 06:35 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent |
| 06:35 | chris | ahhh |
| 06:35 | cool, hopefully can close a bunch your patch | |
| 06:35 | with | |
| 06:36 | im hoping someone will signoff on it soon :) | |
| 06:36 | cait | no , there wasn't a bug for this, only discussion on the mailing list |
| 06:36 | had to open up a new one | |
| 06:36 | but came across some other bugs | |
| 06:36 | chris | ah right |
| 06:37 | cait | does it make sense to write a patch to change the field sizes? |
| 06:38 | chris: chris_n wanted to look at the state thing - not sure my addresses look right :) | |
| 06:38 | bug 3656 | |
| 06:38 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3656 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, Specify fields to be omitted from the patron record |
| 06:38 | cait | this is a old patch from hdl - but not sure there is a better way to do it in with the new templating system |
| 06:39 | chris | yep |
| 06:39 | cait | yep to what? :) |
| 06:39 | chris | yeah and a patch for 3777 would be good too |
| 06:39 | cait | both are things I could work on but not sure it makes sense :) |
| 06:39 | chris | id do 3777 first |
| 06:40 | cait | ok |
| 06:40 | do you agree with nicoles suggestion of mediumtext? | |
| 06:41 | chris | id just make them text |
| 06:42 | cait | ok |
| 06:42 | my new state fields are medium text... but I can change that :) | |
| 06:44 | allowed myself not to start with my new distance study course until 1st december | |
| 06:44 | chris | :) |
| 06:45 | cait | so I have some time to work on koha (which is more fun than reading a book about accounting) |
| 06:45 | chris | hehe yes |
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| 07:29 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha - www.koha-community.org. Koha 3.2.1 is Now Available - Next general meeting on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0. This channel is logged. | |
| 07:29 | chris | back after a powercut |
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| 07:55 | magnus | hiya kf & #koha |
| 07:55 | kf | hi magnus |
| 07:58 | chris | hi magnus |
| 07:58 | magnus | kia ora chris |
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| 08:24 | * magnus | moves over to the other computer |
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| 08:54 | kf | magnus: where is your other computer? oslo? |
| 08:54 | * kf | hides |
| 08:55 | magnus | hehe, about 10 meters from the first one - i took a detour :-) |
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| 08:56 | kmkale | hi all |
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| 09:02 | magnus | hi kmkale |
| 09:03 | kmkale | hi magnus |
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| 09:35 | Yemeni | Hello world |
| 09:35 | could anyone confirm a (non sluggish) clean installation of Koha 3.2 on Fedora 13? | |
| 09:37 | kf | I have only done it on ubuntu. |
| 09:38 | chris? | |
| 09:38 | ibot | it has been said that chris is great or tired |
| 09:39 | kf | ibot: chris is great and sometimes tired |
| 09:39 | ibot | ...but chris is great or tired... |
| 09:39 | kf | chris is only sometimes tired |
| 09:39 | ibot? | |
| 09:39 | ibot | yes, kf? |
| 09:39 | Yemeni | lol |
| 09:39 | kf | chris is always great and only sometimes tired. |
| 09:39 | chris? | |
| 09:39 | ibot | it has been said that chris is great or tired |
| 09:39 | kf | hmpf. |
| 09:40 | Yemeni | I have a fully configured fedora server, so I'm doing my best not to format it |
| 09:41 | kmkale | wow chris is got an ibot and kf can talk to it. how cool is that? ;) |
| 09:42 | I want one too :(( | |
| 09:43 | Yemeni | iboot, do you know how to install koha? |
| 09:43 | lol | |
| 09:43 | ibot, do you know how to install koha? | |
| 09:43 | ibot | i haven't a clue, yemeni |
| 09:43 | Yemeni | oh ibot they should've updated your kb, at least |
| 09:43 | kf | ibot is still small - he needs to learn more :) |
| 09:44 | koha? | |
| 09:44 | ibot | koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 09:44 | kf | kmkale: you can talk to it too |
| 09:45 | kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. | |
| 09:45 | kmkale? | |
| 09:45 | ibot | it has been said that kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. |
| 09:45 | kmkale | :) |
| 09:45 | kf | cait? |
| 09:45 | ibot | somebody said cait was a developer! or a librarian |
| 09:45 | kmkale | ibot++ |
| 09:45 | and kf++ | |
| 09:45 | kf | chris++ |
| 09:46 | kmkale | yes chris++ |
| 09:46 | so ibot globs anything starting with a nick? | |
| 09:46 | or you have to run some command? | |
| 09:48 | Yemeni left #koha | |
| 09:49 | magnus | looks like you just have to start with a nick |
| 09:49 | xyz? | |
| 09:49 | xyz is cool! | |
| 09:49 | xyz? | |
| 09:49 | ibot | xyz is cool! |
| 09:50 | magnus | or maybe just "something is something"... |
| 09:50 | kf | chris told me he picks up things with is/was |
| 09:50 | kmkale | chris? |
| 09:50 | ibot | chris is great or tired |
| 09:51 | kf | Konstanz is a town in Germany, near to the Swiss border. |
| 09:51 | kmkale | humm teher ibot did not glob kf's sentence |
| 09:51 | kf | no, he didn't believe me :) |
| 09:51 | Konstanz? | |
| 09:51 | ibot | rumour has it Konstanz is a town in Germany, near to the Swiss border |
| 09:52 | kmkale | hehe so it picks up only the first time use |
| 09:52 | kf | hm, no, I taught him to say chirs is great and chris added the tired part |
| 09:52 | I am trying to make him forget that :) | |
| 09:52 | chris is not tired | |
| 09:52 | chris? | |
| 09:52 | ibot | i think chris is great or tired |
| 09:52 | kf | grr |
| 09:52 | chris | ibot: forget chris |
| 09:52 | ibot | chris: I forgot chris |
| 09:52 | kf | hey |
| 09:52 | :) | |
| 09:53 | you were tired - why are you still here? | |
| 09:53 | magnus | chris? |
| 09:53 | Oak left #koha | |
| 09:53 | chris | had a nap, woke up again :) |
| 09:53 | ibot: .no? | |
| 09:53 | ibot | chris: i haven't a clue |
| 09:53 | kf | heard us shouting your name? |
| 09:54 | chris | yeah, computer beeps |
| 09:54 | kf | sorry |
| 09:54 | chris | s'ok |
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| 09:56 | kmkale_ is now known as kmkale | |
| 09:58 | kmkale | Thane? |
| 09:58 | Thane is a city of lakes on the outskirts of Mumbai, India. | |
| 09:58 | Thane? | |
| 09:58 | ibot | somebody said Thane was a city of lakes on the outskirts of Mumbai, India. |
| 09:59 | kmkale | ibot do you know any other tricks? |
| 09:59 | ibot | kmkale: bugger all, i dunno |
| 09:59 | kmkale | ;( |
| 09:59 | magnus | ibot help |
| 10:00 | kmkale | not a very helpful creature our ibot |
| 10:02 | magnus | well, try "member:ibot help" and it will talk to you in private... |
| 10:02 | sorry try "ibot help" | |
| 10:02 | kmkale | ibot help |
| 10:05 | cool | |
| 10:09 | magnus | documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 10:09 | documentation? | |
| 10:09 | ibot | i guess documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 10:11 | kmkale | bbl |
| 10:15 | magnus | karma for kf |
| 10:15 | ibot | kf has karma of 1 |
| 10:15 | magnus | @karma kf |
| 10:15 | munin | magnus: Karma for "kf" has been increased 33 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 33. |
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| 10:19 | kf | ibot help |
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| 10:27 | kf | hm. you should not click on the link ibot is suggesting... |
| 10:28 | magnus | hm, i won't... |
| 10:35 | bigbrovar | Hi guys. is there a way to attach an item to a library branch other using the 952$b tag. I have created two libraries and every item in our catalog is mapped to a particular librarie using the code I created for that library. when I search all seems to be fine. Just that I can not seem to get refined search by library to work |
| 10:36 | any time I tell koha to search items in a particular library it always comes up with zero result. even though the book searched belongs to that library | |
| 10:36 | search only works when I search all libraries | |
| 10:37 | kf | no, 952$a and $b are the fields |
| 10:37 | you could try and check your items table ant the marcxml field | |
| 10:40 | bigbrovar | kf: so it MOST be 952$a and 952$b and not just 952$b? |
| 10:41 | and what what do u mean by "items table ant the marcxml field" how do I do that. (I am very new at koha and linux too ) | |
| 10:41 | kf | ah, I thought about using sql to look what is in your database |
| 10:42 | and yes, both | |
| 10:42 | you could try and change some items | |
| 10:42 | and test if search works after that | |
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| 10:46 | kf | sorry, accidently closed window |
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| 10:59 | bigbrovar | kf: is there a way to batch edit imported items and add the 95$a tag? because items where batch imported from a mrc file migrated from spreadsheet |
| 11:04 | kmkale | bigbrovar: have you already started using the migrated data? |
| 11:09 | kf | bigbrovar: in 3.2 you can use the batch edit item tool |
| 11:09 | but reimporting would be perhaps faster, if you are still testing and not using the data | |
| 11:10 | depending on the number of your items | |
| 11:10 | Amit | heya kf, kmkale |
| 11:10 | bigbrovar | kmkale: yeah I have imported them to catalog. but the koha is still not yet in use. I am still working on it even though once all issues are resolved it should be open to the public soon |
| 11:11 | kf yeah I think so too. I am already on it | |
| 11:11 | kmkale | yup adding a tag in marcedit will be much simpler and faster |
| 11:11 | hi Amit | |
| 11:11 | kf | hi Amit |
| 11:12 | magnus is now known as magnus_a | |
| 11:21 | kf | chris_n: around? |
| 11:21 | probably a bit too early | |
| 11:23 | fredericd: around? | |
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| 11:54 | kmkale | google refine. what a tool !! |
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| 12:39 | chris_n | kf: here now for just a moment |
| 12:40 | kf | ah good timing |
| 12:40 | just came back from lunch | |
| 12:40 | chris_n | lunch++ |
| 12:40 | * chris_n | just came back from breakfast :) |
| 12:40 | kf | I only wanted to ask if it's possible to update the po files a few days before the next release |
| 12:40 | because we have some string changes and new strings that show up in English now in 3.2 | |
| 12:40 | 3.2.1 | |
| 12:41 | chris_n | kf: sure |
| 12:41 | I think there is some latency in the transfer of translation-manager | |
| 12:41 | kf | so wanted to tell you that and ask fredericd about it later :) |
| 12:41 | chris_n | fredericd does not have his site up yet I think |
| 12:42 | kf | ok, will ask chris about it |
| 12:42 | chris_n | so if there are updated po files available in the days before 3.2.2, we'll be glad to include them:) |
| 12:42 | kf | that was my thought :) |
| 12:42 | perhaps still some strings will escape, but not so many | |
| 12:43 | and owen did some nice patches to make some things translatable | |
| 12:43 | chris_n | I did speak with chris prior to the 3.2.1 release and it seems that only a few patches were available for the translation related files which were included |
| 12:43 | kf | did you get my mail about your record? |
| 12:43 | chris_n | I did |
| 12:43 | kf | yeah, because the po files need an update |
| 12:43 | german is at 100% - but the strings are missing from the files | |
| 12:43 | chris_n | this has been a busy time due to a coworker being in the hospital |
| 12:44 | kf | I thought more about it - are your $9 fields visible in the framework? |
| 12:44 | chris_n | yes |
| 12:44 | kf | if not perhaps someone linked an authority, tried to delete it later, but couldn't delete the $9 field, because it was not visible |
| 12:44 | ah ok | |
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| 12:44 | kf | hi jwagner |
| 12:44 | * chris_n | thinks you are correct about the authority problem |
| 12:45 | chris_n | and will have a look as soon as things settle down here |
| 12:45 | jwagner | Guten tag kf |
| 12:48 | kf | @later tell chris can you update the po files for 3.2 some time? there are a lot of new strings that were previously not translatable and some fuzzy stuff - would be nice to get it into 3.2.2 :) |
| 12:48 | munin | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:48 | kf | so I don't forget it |
| 12:54 | * druthb | wonders what jwagner will come up with today to try to make her life miserable. She was batting .000 yesterday. |
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| 12:55 | * jwagner | plans to work hard on the problem.... |
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| 12:56 | laurenthd is now known as hdl | |
| 12:56 | ebegin | good morning everyone |
| 13:01 | jwagner | Bonjour ebegin |
| 13:01 | bigbrovar | could someone please explain to me the difference btw the 852$a marc tag and koha's 952$a and b tags |
| 13:02 | can they be used interchangeably | |
| 13:03 | ebegin | hi jwagner ;) |
| 13:03 | hdl | hi |
| 13:05 | kf | bigbrovar: no |
| 13:05 | bigbrovar: theoretically you can configure koha to use a different field for items, but practically you would have to edit the zebra files too - because the indexes will be all wrong | |
| 13:05 | bigbrovar: so staying witht he koha standard is the best way | |
| 13:06 | daniel | good morning |
| 13:06 | kf | morning daniel :) |
| 13:06 | druthb | kf++ |
| 13:06 | daniel | morning kf |
| 13:06 | bigbrovar | kf: ok can I use one of the branch libraries created as the value for the 852$a tag |
| 13:07 | daniel | kmkale, thanks for that tip on google refine--i missed the news on that |
| 13:07 | kf | druthb: huh? |
| 13:07 | bigbrovar: why do you want to fill the 852 tag? | |
| 13:07 | druthb | your answer to bigbrovar. You beat me to it. |
| 13:08 | daniel | kmkale++ |
| 13:09 | kmkale | thanks daniel but I was just repeating what someone else pointed out |
| 13:09 | hi druthb | |
| 13:09 | druthb | hi, kmkale! :) |
| 13:10 | bigbrovar | kf: no reason particularly :) .. I am new at all this I guess I would remove the tag altogether. I am using marcedit to migrate the shreadsheet data to marc and location is one of the colum which I mapped to 852$a |
| 13:11 | kf | ah ok |
| 13:11 | you don't need 852 to make koha work correctly | |
| 13:11 | bigbrovar | although I also have collums for holding library and owning library which I have mapped to 952$ a and b respectifully |
| 13:11 | kmkale | bigbrovar: look at the koha to marc mapping link |
| 13:11 | bigbrovar | kmkale: ok thanks |
| 13:11 | kf | bigbrovar: but it probably doesn't hurt to store it there too |
| 13:12 | bigbrovar | kf: thanks guess I would keep it but make it consistent with 952$a |
| 13:13 | kf | druthb? |
| 13:14 | druthb is loves cookies. | |
| 13:14 | hmpf, bad sentence | |
| 13:14 | druthb? | |
| 13:14 | ibot | druthb is loves cookies. |
| 13:14 | druthb | yes? |
| 13:14 | kf | ibot: forget druthb |
| 13:14 | * druthb | loves cookies. |
| 13:14 | ibot | kf: I forgot druthb |
| 13:15 | jwagner | kf, quit tempting druthb -- I need to keep her nose to the grindstone! |
| 13:15 | kf | druthb is a big fan of cookies. |
| 13:15 | druthb? | |
| 13:15 | ibot | it has been said that druthb is a big fan of cookies. |
| 13:15 | kf | jwagner: I am only teaching ibot - facts he need to know! |
| 13:15 | * druthb | giggles. |
| 13:15 | jwagner | Harrumph |
| 13:15 | druthb | @quote get 102 |
| 13:15 | munin | druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) |
| 13:16 | jwagner | Poacher! |
| 13:16 | * druthb | is miserable-proof today. She hands jwagner a plate of Eggs Benedict. |
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| 13:17 | gmcharlt | ibot: help |
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| 13:25 | kmkale | i see ibot is a instant hit |
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| 13:27 | druthb | Hm. |
| 13:27 | kf is a good cook; she makes an excellent königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. | |
| 13:27 | kf? | |
| 13:27 | ibot | hmmm... kf is trying to make him forget that :) |
| 13:27 | jwagner | Pretty soon the bots are going to outnumber the humans on this channel.... |
| 13:27 | druthb | kf? |
| 13:27 | ibot | kf is trying to make him forget that :) |
| 13:27 | * druthb | scratches her head. |
| 13:28 | kf | hehe |
| 13:28 | he is picky | |
| 13:28 | druthb | kf? |
| 13:28 | ibot | kf is trying to make him forget that :) |
| 13:28 | kf | although I liked it better what he said about me before that *sniffs* |
| 13:29 | druthb | kf is talented and fun. |
| 13:29 | kf? | |
| 13:29 | ibot | i heard kf was trying to make him forget that :) |
| 13:29 | * druthb | glares at ibot. |
| 13:29 | kf | I wanted i... to forget what he knows about chris being tired |
| 13:29 | chris? | |
| 13:29 | druthb | jwagner? |
| 13:29 | kf | ah, chris made him forget that... wah confusing |
| 13:30 | * druthb | laughs evilly. |
| 13:30 | druthb | jwagner is not good at making druthb miserable. |
| 13:30 | jwagner? | |
| 13:30 | ibot | hmmm... jwagner is not good at making druthb miserable. |
| 13:30 | jwagner | jwagner is very good at making druthb miserable! |
| 13:30 | jwagner? | |
| 13:30 | ibot | you are not good at making druthb miserable. |
| 13:30 | jwagner | Harrumph! |
| 13:30 | * druthb | cackles. |
| 13:31 | * jwagner | tells druthb to quit cackling and get to work! |
| 13:32 | * druthb | cheerfully gets to it. |
| 13:34 | druthb | kf? |
| 13:34 | ibot | i guess kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. |
| 13:34 | * druthb | grins. |
| 13:34 | kf | oh my |
| 13:34 | I should not teach you German | |
| 13:35 | cait? | |
| 13:35 | ibot | cait is a developer! or a librarian |
| 13:35 | kf | pootle is down for me - can someone else check? |
| 13:36 | * druthb | is enjoying learning German, a little at a time. |
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| 13:37 | druthb | Sometime about 2030, I might have enough German to be able to order a meal in a restaurant, and find the ladies' room and airport. Little bit o' progress at a time.. |
| 13:37 | hi, sekjal. :) | |
| 13:37 | sekjal | hi, druthb! |
| 13:39 | kf | ah; I think you coudl already guess most of the things on the meno |
| 13:39 | menu | |
| 13:39 | so ordering should be no problem | |
| 13:39 | pootle is back | |
| 13:40 | druthb | Oh, I could pick at it and figure out enough to keep from starving, I suspect. Kartoffeln are a staple pretty-much everywhere, just a matter of figuring out how they prepare 'em. |
| 13:42 | * druthb | has gotten into elaborate mime acts with cooks who don't speak English much, a few times. |
| 14:15 | kf | hehe |
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| 14:17 | magnus_a is now known as magnus | |
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| 14:23 | bigbrovar | kf: thanks adding both 952a and b seems to have fixed the refine search by library problem. |
| 14:24 | now is there a way I can delete everything item in bib and start from scratch? | |
| 14:27 | kf | sorry, I am not sure I understand your question |
| 14:28 | bigbrovar | like how can delete every previously imported items in koha and start from scratch |
| 14:28 | magnus | bigbrovar: just items or complete records? |
| 14:29 | bigbrovar | magnus: complete records I guess |
| 14:29 | I want to start afresh | |
| 14:30 | I did delete from biblio in mysql but when I search I still see entries which are suppose to be deleted. even though click them gives a 404 msg | |
| 14:30 | I want to start like I have never imported anything before.. like a fresh install | |
| 14:32 | magnus | bigbrovar: deleting from biblio, biblioitems and items is one way to do it - but until you reindex with zebra you will still get the old search results |
| 14:32 | another way is to use the -d switch to bulkmarcimport.pl: http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]lkmarcimport.html | |
| 14:32 | bigbrovar | magnus: thanks |
| 14:34 | * druthb | waves at magnus. |
| 14:34 | * magnus | waves back at druthb |
| 14:36 | * kmkale | is trying out google refine reconcile with freebase on book titles and isbn |
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| 14:39 | sekjal[1] is now known as sekjal | |
| 14:41 | magnus | kmkale: sounds like fun! |
| 14:41 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 14:41 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 14:41 | sekjal | morning, jcamins! |
| 14:41 | druthb | hi, jcamins. :) |
| 14:41 | jcamins | magnus++ # for inspiring me to make pizza for dinner yesterday |
| 14:42 | magnus | g'day jcamins - and welcome! |
| 14:43 | kmkale | magnus: I get a *lot* of minuscule catalogs as part of working on the granthalaya.org project. It would be a great help if we can extract more biblio fields from freebase or some other sources using a tool like google refine. |
| 14:44 | magnus | kmkale: do you know how gr talks to freebase? json? rdf? |
| 14:44 | kmkale | magnus: json probabely. cause in filters you use jsonish |
| 14:48 | there is also fetch by url. maybe usefull for Indian books from sources like indcat | |
| 14:48 | magnus | openlibrary.org could perhaps be of interest too? |
| 14:49 | kmkale | yup |
| 14:51 | and the capability of repairing data is awesome ofcourse | |
| 14:52 | bigbrovar | magnus: followed the bulkmarcimport link and used that. still old deleted records still show up in opac search. even after indexing |
| 14:54 | magnus | bigbrovar: how did you index? you need to use the -r switch, i think |
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| 14:55 | bigbrovar | ok |
| 14:56 | kf | hi jcamins and sekjal |
| 14:57 | jcamins | Hello kf. |
| 14:57 | magnus | hi schuster |
| 14:59 | schuster | Hey all!! working on my secret kidspac project. Oh drat not a secret anymore! HA! finally getting around to coming back to it. |
| 15:00 | sekjal | hi, kf |
| 15:00 | bigbrovar | magnus: thank you so much. using the r switch like totally worked :) |
| 15:00 | magnus | bigbrovar: cool! :-) |
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| 15:07 | magnus | hiya collum |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | @seen chris_n |
| 15:09 | munin | wizzyrea: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <chris_n> and will have a look as soon as things settle down here |
| 15:09 | druthb | hi, wizzyrea! |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | @later tell chris_n wondering if the ohloh mirrors for 3.2.1 have been set up, but it's no rush. |
| 15:10 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:11 | druthb | ibot: wizzyrea? |
| 15:11 | ibot | wizzyrea is a ray of sunshine. |
| 15:11 | druthb | :D |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 15:11 | good morning to you too | |
| 15:11 | jcamins | ibot: druthb? |
| 15:11 | ibot | druthb is a big fan of cookies. |
| 15:12 | druthb | :) |
| 15:12 | jcamins | ibot: jcamins? |
| 15:12 | ibot | no idea, jcamins |
| 15:12 | jcamins | :( |
| 15:12 | wizzyrea | ibot: jcamins? |
| 15:12 | ibot | wizzyrea: i haven't a clue |
| 15:12 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 15:12 | wonder why | |
| 15:12 | druthb | ibot: jcamins? |
| 15:12 | ibot | i think jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. |
| 15:12 | wizzyrea | aha! |
| 15:12 | druthb | ibot: kf? |
| 15:12 | ibot | it has been said that kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | ibot: cait? |
| 15:13 | ibot | hmmm... cait is a developer! or a librarian |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 15:13 | ibot: chris? | |
| 15:13 | ibot | wish i knew, wizzyrea |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 15:13 | druthb | ooooo. |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | ibot: magnus? |
| 15:13 | ibot | wizzyrea: i haven't a clue |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | mmm hmm. |
| 15:13 | druthb | you can tell it something with <user> is <foo>. It'll remember that until told to forget it. |
| 15:14 | magnus is an awesome fellow. | |
| 15:14 | magnus? | |
| 15:14 | ibot | hmmm... magnus is an awesome fellow. |
| 15:14 | magnus | :-) |
| 15:15 | kf | I think was works too :) |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | OHHHHH |
| 15:16 | oh THIS is HANDY | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | ibot: postfix installation instructions? |
| 15:16 | ibot | no idea, jcamins |
| 15:16 | rhcl | königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln = meatballs and potatoes, or in English, Hamburgers and french fries |
| 15:16 | I'm hungry | |
| 15:16 | kf | rhcl: hm not quite the same |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | documentation? |
| 15:16 | ibot | rumour has it documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 15:16 | rhcl | almost |
| 15:17 | jcamins | ibot: postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix |
| 15:17 | ibot | OK, jcamins. |
| 15:17 | kf | search? |
| 15:17 | search problem? | |
| 15:17 | druthb | Meatballs with a cream sauce and capers, and potatoes boiled in salt water. |
| 15:17 | jcamins | postfix installation documentation? |
| 15:17 | ibot | postfix installation documentation is probably at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix |
| 15:17 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | search |
| 15:17 | search help | |
| 15:17 | jcamins | ibot: search help? |
| 15:17 | ibot | jcamins: no idea |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | faq |
| 15:18 | rhcl | substitute ketchup for cream, slap 'em on some bread, slice the potatoes & fry 'em = Happy meal |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | ibot: faq |
| 15:18 | ibot | wizzyrea: huh? |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | hrm |
| 15:18 | ibot faq? | |
| 15:18 | ibot | no idea, wizzyrea |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | ibot: faq? |
| 15:19 | ibot | wizzyrea: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
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| 15:19 | jcamins | ibot: searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 15:19 | ibot | OK, jcamins. |
| 15:19 | jcamins | searching faq? |
| 15:19 | ibot | it has been said that searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | faq? |
| 15:20 | ibot | hmmm... faq is found at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | lulz ;) |
| 15:20 | jcamins | Hrm. |
| 15:20 | wiki faq? | |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | ibot: faq? |
| 15:20 | ibot | i heard faq was found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | there we go |
| 15:20 | jcamins | searching faq? |
| 15:20 | ibot | searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 15:20 | jcamins | Okay, good. It can handle multiple words. |
| 15:21 | druthb | Hrm. |
| 15:21 | ibot: ibot? | |
| 15:21 | ibot | rumour has it i am still small - he needs to learn more :) |
| 15:22 | druthb | lol |
| 15:22 | jcamins | ibot: koha livecd is at http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ |
| 15:22 | ibot | OK, jcamins. |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | git? |
| 15:22 | ibot | git is, like, found at http://git.koha-community.org |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | bugzilla? |
| 15:22 | ibot | bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org |
| 15:22 | druthb | hm... |
| 15:22 | ibot: where is the faq? | |
| 15:22 | ibot | the faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 15:22 | druthb | grooooooovy. |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | paste? |
| 15:22 | ibot | paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 15:22 | kf | he is nice |
| 15:23 | can we keep him? plz? | |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | i love ibot. |
| 15:23 | community events? | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | ibot: help? |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | koha community events |
| 15:23 | ibot | koha community events are found at http://koha-community.org/category/events/ |
| 15:24 | druthb | ooo.... |
| 15:24 | ibot: forget druthb | |
| 15:24 | ibot | druthb: I forgot druthb |
| 15:24 | druthb | ibot: druthb is a geek|fond of cookies. |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | support? |
| 15:24 | ibot | OK, druthb. |
| 15:24 | support is found at http://koha-community.org/support/ | |
| 15:24 | druthb | druthb? |
| 15:24 | ibot | you are fond of cookies. |
| 15:24 | druthb | druthb? |
| 15:24 | ibot | somebody said druthb was fond of cookies. |
| 15:24 | druthb | druthb? |
| 15:24 | ibot | i guess druthb is fond of cookies. |
| 15:24 | druthb | druthb? |
| 15:24 | ibot | well, druthb is a geek |
| 15:24 | druthb | WOO HOO! |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | mailing lists? |
| 15:25 | ibot | mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | so. very. handy |
| 15:26 | druthb | Wonder if you can feed it more than two choices for the terms? |
| 15:27 | sure 'nuf...you can. | |
| 15:27 | jwagner is now known as jwag_mtg | |
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| 15:28 | druthb is now known as drb_mtg | |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | chris? |
| 15:28 | ibot | chris is the most helpful guy |
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| 15:31 | wizzyrea | manual pdf |
| 15:31 | ibot | i guess manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-c[…]a3-2manual-en.pdf |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | ibot: I love you |
| 15:32 | ibot | wizzyrea: sorry... |
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| 15:37 | wizzyrea | nengard you will love this |
| 15:37 | pdf manual | |
| 15:37 | manual pdf | |
| 15:37 | ibot | well, manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-c[…]a3-2manual-en.pdf |
| 15:37 | kf | nengard? |
| 15:38 | oh | |
| 15:38 | nengard | wizzyrea - didn't we have the manual in pdf already |
| 15:38 | oh! - that's a bot!!! | |
| 15:38 | I get it :) | |
| 15:38 | cute | |
| 15:38 | jcamins | ibot: what are you? |
| 15:38 | ibot | i am still small - he needs to learn more :) |
| 15:38 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:40 | magnus | try "ibot help" to see available commands - in private ;-) |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | so whose grand idea was ibot? |
| 15:41 | and he/she needs a name | |
| 15:41 | kf | wizzyrea: you have 1 guess |
| 15:41 | jcamins | magnus: yes, I know. |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | chris? |
| 15:41 | ibot | rumour has it chris is a huge rugby fan |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 15:41 | kf | hehe |
| 15:41 | right :) | |
| 15:42 | ibot: where do you live? | |
| 15:42 | ibot | kf: i don't know |
| 15:42 | kf | poor thing |
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| 15:42 | magnus | hiya trea |
| 15:42 | trea | kia ora magnus |
| 15:43 | how's norway today? | |
| 15:44 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 15:44 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:44 | magnus | apart from that: not too bad... ;-) |
| 15:44 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, canada |
| 15:44 | munin | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 4.0�C (10:18 AM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: N/A%. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: (Falling). |
| 15:44 | trea | heh. that was my next thing to do |
| 15:44 | magnus | @wunder saltdal, norway |
| 15:44 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:44 | ibot | i already had it that way, munin. |
| 15:45 | magnus | ? |
| 15:45 | @wunder rognan, norway | |
| 15:45 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Fauske Sentrum, Fauske, Norway is -8.9�C (4:45 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:45 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:45 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (4:45 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:45 | magnus | @wunder sulitjelma, norway |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | @wunder 66047 |
| 15:45 | munin | magnus: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -0.4�C (9:45 AM CST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Steady). | |
| 15:46 | magnus | huh, how can the windchill be warmer then the actual temp? |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | omg our bots are talking |
| 15:46 | that does seem odd doesn't it | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | current temperature in Bodo, Norway? |
| 15:46 | ibot | i heard current temperature in Bodo, Norway was -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:46 | drb_mtg is now known as druthb | |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | i wonder if you can teach ibot to ignore certain users (munin, for example) |
| 15:47 | jcamins | I hope so. |
| 15:47 | trea | i want to watch them fight. is that so wrong? |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | ibot: trea? |
| 15:48 | ibot | i haven't a clue, wizzyrea |
| 15:48 | trea | noooooo |
| 15:48 | druthb | lol |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | trea? |
| 15:48 | ibot | rumour has it trea is a fan of bot fights |
| 15:49 | trea | uh ^.^ |
| 15:49 | >.> | |
| 15:49 | <.< | |
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| 15:49 | wizzyrea | ok sorry back to real work |
| 15:52 | collum | A belated hi to magnus. :) |
| 15:52 | Elwell | ibot: list |
| 15:52 | ibot | Elwell: excuse me? |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | elwell: /msg ibot help |
| 15:53 | Elwell | http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/[…]upybot/1259017200 (you may want to set supybot.plugins.Relay.punishOtherRelayBots ) |
| 15:53 | depending what ibot's based on | |
| 15:59 | ebegin | I'm tying to limit the date using the content of 260$c (date of publication) instead of the 008/07-10 value. Is this possible? |
| 16:01 | jcamins | ebegin: I'm not sure how you'd do it with limits, but you could add a search option using jquery. The index is copydate. |
| 16:02 | ebegin | jcamins, can it be done using a range? for example 2000- |
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| 16:03 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 16:03 | Probably not. | |
| 16:03 | It might be possible to change the type of index, but I don't know what you'd change it to. | |
| 16:04 | ebegin | ok, i'll look at it. |
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| 16:35 | sophie_m | hdl : MT3759 (fichiers pour import QRGA) c'est résolu ? |
| 16:36 | hdl MT4940 : je n'avais pas noté que c'était à moi de le reprendre. Tu pourrais me donner quelques indications ? | |
| 16:37 | * chris_n | thinks maybe sophie_m is typing in the wrong window ;-) |
| 16:37 | kmkale | hi chris_n |
| 16:37 | sophie_m | chris_n is wright :-[ |
| 16:37 | sorry | |
| 16:37 | chris_n | heya kmkale |
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| 16:45 | hdl | hi all |
| 16:45 | magnus | hi, flying fox! |
| 16:46 | kf | hm, does it make sense to have virtualshelves unter administration in the sys pref editor? |
| 16:47 | perhaps opac would be better? | |
| 16:51 | magnus | yeah, i think opac would be the first place i would look for it... |
| 16:55 | jcamins | I think maybe we need to revise INSTALL.debian to say at the very top "THIS WILL INSTALL ALL DEPENDENCIES. REALLY. JUST TRY IT. IT MIGHT WORK. I SWEAR." |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 16:55 | trea | "try it. you might like it." |
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| 16:58 | markk | hello all |
| 17:00 | jcamins | trea: exactly. I sure liked how easy it was to install Koha. |
| 17:00 | Hello, markk. | |
| 17:01 | markk | last time i had problems with barcodes not being incremented ... it was solved in the 3.2 live cd version. but my question now is how to make the incrementation to be +1 not as it is now just replacing the far left 0 by 1 for every new barcode. |
| 17:02 | trea | jcamins: i had the pleasure of doing my first debian install on a virtualbox system a month or so ago; i found it downright pleasant compared to some other installs i've had |
| 17:02 | debian koha install I meant to say | |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | does anybody remember what Kristina's last name is? |
| 17:02 | Hoeppner? | |
| 17:03 | jcamins | trea: yeah, but people keep on wanting to download stuff from perl.org and apache.org and who knows where else and install it manually. |
| 17:03 | wizzyrea | but they want to install koha on their PS2! |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Which makes me think that the documentation needs to be more explicit that it's not necessary. |
| 17:04 | wizzyrea: so it would seem. | |
| 17:04 | magnus | wizzyrea: yes, Hoeppner (i suspect that's really Höppner?) |
| 17:05 | trea | jcamins: the sysadmin in me thinks to just script/automate as much as possible, but that isn't teaching one to fish. then again, if the goal is a working koha install, then you're not teaching people to fish anyway |
| 17:06 | magnus is now known as magnus_a | |
| 17:07 | hdl | magnus_a: tx for the photos btw |
| 17:07 | wizzyrea | magnus: thanks |
| 17:07 | jcamins | trea: I'm all for teaching people to fish, but installing software in Debian really is as easy as typing "apt-get install whatever." |
| 17:07 | wizzyrea | ooh, and jinx |
| 17:07 | (very often) | |
| 17:07 | * wizzyrea | loves debian for this reason |
| 17:08 | jcamins | See, we need to make this more clear in the INSTALL.debian. |
| 17:09 | * jcamins | adds this to his to-do list. |
| 17:11 | kf | hm, and authoritysep is under cataloging - why not authorities? |
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| 17:11 | jcamins | I don't know. What does it do? |
| 17:12 | kf | the signs that show between your authorities I think |
| 17:13 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:13 | kf | standard is -- |
| 17:13 | jcamins | I still don't know. |
| 17:13 | kf | perhaps I am just thinking different :) |
| 17:13 | and alot of things would match different categories easily | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | I would've thought it would go in Authorities, too. |
| 17:13 | kf | like StaffSerialIssueDisplayCount - is cataloging now, could be staff - but I would search it in Serials |
| 17:14 | jcamins | I bet authoritysep isn't even really used anymore, is it? |
| 17:14 | kf | and subscriptionhistory too |
| 17:14 | not sure | |
| 17:14 | perhaps in non-xslt | |
| 17:14 | never look at that | |
| 17:20 | wizzyrea | I actually think we can make install.x much simpler |
| 17:21 | I want to do a suite of shell scripts for the source install, but I sense that the packages might be taking over (rightfully) | |
| 17:22 | plus, there are folks who probably wouldnt' want people running shell scripts (most often) as root | |
| 17:22 | *shrug* I suppose the only thing to do is just do it an see if it flies. | |
| 17:23 | druthb | doo eeeet! |
| 17:25 | wizzyrea | i do love writing shell scripts. |
| 17:26 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I'm having trouble imagining how you could make it much simpler than it already is. |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | lots of stuff in there can be combined, or run sequentially without a human typing it in. Not a lot is system specific < qualified, since I haven't seriously pursued a one script to rule them all |
| 17:27 | (yet) | |
| 17:27 | jcamins | That's true, but that's the easy part. |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | especially if you're starting from scratch |
| 17:28 | where simpler = fewer steps | |
| 17:28 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:28 | Right. | |
| 17:30 | kmkale | good night |
| 17:31 | kf | chris is writing mails - a good indicator I shouldn't be still at work right now |
| 17:32 | jcamins | kf: yes, go home. |
| 17:32 | ibot: cait? | |
| 17:32 | ibot | cait is probably a developer! or a librarian |
| 17:32 | kf | hmpf! |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | cait? |
| 17:32 | ibot | somebody said cait was a developer! or a librarian or a very sweet girl |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 17:33 | * kf | blushes |
| 17:33 | wizzyrea | ibot will add one to your description if you say |
| 17:33 | ibot | wizzyrea: huh? |
| 17:33 | wizzyrea | x is also y |
| 17:33 | trea | heh |
| 17:33 | kf | ah |
| 17:33 | can oyu make im forget a single fact? | |
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| 17:33 | kf | I tried is not... but didn't work |
| 17:33 | jcamins | I think <replace>? |
| 17:34 | Or "No, ..."? | |
| 17:34 | ibot: help corrections | |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | cait |
| 17:34 | cait? | |
| 17:34 | ibot | cait is not a very sweet girl |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | aww |
| 17:34 | no no | |
| 17:34 | wrong! | |
| 17:34 | jcamins | ibot: No, cait is a developer! or a librarian |
| 17:34 | ibot | ...but cait is not a very sweet girl... |
| 17:35 | jcamins | ibot: cait? |
| 17:35 | ibot | cait is a developer! or a librarian |
| 17:35 | jcamins | Better? |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea | i fixed, sorry |
| 17:35 | kf | cait? |
| 17:35 | ibot | i heard cait was a developer! or a librarian |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea | manual? |
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| 17:35 | kf | hm |
| 17:36 | jcamins | postfix installation instructions? |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | postfix? |
| 17:36 | hrmph. | |
| 17:36 | pdf manual | |
| 17:36 | ibot | pdf manual is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-c[…]a3-2manual-en.pdf |
| 17:36 | kf | I didn't mean that fact... |
| 17:36 | hmpf! :) | |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | ibot: postfix installation instructions |
| 17:36 | ibot | wizzyrea: sorry... |
| 17:36 | jcamins | Whoops. |
| 17:36 | postfix installation documentation? | |
| 17:36 | ibot | hmmm... postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 17:36 | jcamins | There we go. |
| 17:36 | druthb | spelling counts. |
| 17:37 | jcamins | druthb: correct wording counts! |
| 17:37 | wizzyrea | postfix? |
| 17:37 | ibot | it has been said that postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix |
| 17:37 | kf | ok, time to go - see you later :) |
| 17:37 | kf left #koha | |
| 17:37 | druthb | :) I had a history prof in college who pointed out that mis-spelling one President's name with that of another was a serious typo. |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | help with postfix? |
| 17:38 | hrmph. | |
| 17:38 | jcamins | ibot: where is postfix? |
| 17:38 | ibot | no idea, jcamins |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | postfix? |
| 17:39 | postfix? | |
| 17:39 | jcamins | ibot: where is postfix installation documentation? |
| 17:39 | ibot | postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix |
| 17:39 | postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix | |
| 17:39 | wizzyrea | single words probably easier to remember |
| 17:40 | jcamins | Yeah, probably. |
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| 17:40 | jcamins | Seeing as how I was the one who programmed postfix installation documentation a few hours ago and I couldn't remember it. |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | documentation? |
| 17:41 | ibot | i think documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | manual? |
| 17:41 | manual? | |
| 17:41 | ibot | manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | faq? |
| 17:41 | ibot | faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | searching faq? |
| 17:41 | ibot | searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | love. that. bog. |
| 17:41 | bot even. | |
| 17:42 | jcamins | Koha? |
| 17:42 | ibot | hmmm... Koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 17:42 | jcamins | Current temperature for Bodo, Norway? |
| 17:42 | :) | |
| 17:46 | nengard | ibot you're so cute |
| 17:46 | ibot | nengard: excuse me? |
| 17:46 | nengard | you heard me :) |
| 17:47 | * wizzyrea | pats ibot |
| 17:47 | nengard | hehe |
| 17:47 | trea | heh |
| 17:49 | * druthb | gives ibot a cookie. |
| 17:50 | jcamins | ibot: botsnack cookie |
| 17:50 | ibot | :) |
| 17:50 | druthb | awww! |
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| 17:53 | jcamins | owen? |
| 17:53 | Hello, owen. | |
| 17:54 | owen | Hi |
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| 18:11 | Brooke | *sneeze* |
| 18:11 | http://kete.library.org.nz/en/[…]ng-fund-donations | |
| 18:11 | *sneeze* | |
| 18:11 | Terrible sneeze, I should really have that checked. | |
| 18:11 | jcamins | Anyone else have problems applying the patch for bug 5116 when upgrading? |
| 18:11 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5, ---, ricmarques, NEW, Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" |
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| 18:12 | jcamins | Or possibly the second patch for updating the VOKAL icon set. |
| 18:12 | I got a "cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8" error. | |
| 18:15 | It appears to be unique to Koha. | |
| 18:15 | (according to Google) | |
| 18:16 | sekjal is now known as sekjal_a | |
| 18:16 | nengard | got a question - how do i checkout a branch from git - i want just the 3.2 branch not head |
| 18:17 | jcamins | Well, I won't be solving it in the next 10 minutes before I have to leave, so I'll ask again later. chris will know the answer. |
| 18:17 | owen | nengard: That's in the wiki |
| 18:17 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Cloning_over_HTTP | |
| 18:17 | nengard | i'm on the wiki i did a search but i might not be using the right syntax |
| 18:18 | owen | "If you want to track the maintenance branch of an earlier version of Koha..." |
| 18:18 | chris_n | jcamins: the problem is probably with the email header |
| 18:18 | fwiw | |
| 18:18 | jcamins | chris_n: hm. I wonder why no one else has encountered this problem. |
| 18:19 | owen | nengard: Although I guess that gets you 3.2.x, not official 3.2 |
| 18:19 | nengard | but i can figure that part out :) |
| 18:19 | jcamins | You can also check out by tag. |
| 18:19 | chris | jcamins: ive encountered it |
| 18:19 | there are 2 lines in the email header, setting content type | |
| 18:19 | jcamins | But with the same patch? |
| 18:19 | * owen | was just about to google checking out by tag |
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| 18:19 | chris | jcamins: its usually on a signed off patch |
| 18:19 | i just edit the patch, and remove one of the lines | |
| 18:20 | and its all happy | |
| 18:20 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:20 | nengard | git branch -r origin/3.2.x |
| 18:20 | that look right? | |
| 18:20 | chris | nengard: that makes a branch |
| 18:20 | jcamins | What if you're in the middle of a rebase when this happens? |
| 18:20 | chris | but doesnt check it out |
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| 18:21 | nengard | git checkout -b mywork origin/3.2.x ?? |
| 18:21 | cait1 left #koha | |
| 18:21 | chris | git checkout -b my_3.2.x origin/3.2.x |
| 18:21 | nengard | yup :) k - thanks |
| 18:21 | owen | And that gets her the 3.2.x development branch right? Not the official release |
| 18:21 | chris | makes it and checks it out |
| 18:21 | yes owen | |
| 18:21 | cait | oh no, I missed new git tricks |
| 18:21 | hi chris :) | |
| 18:21 | chris | if you want the release, you need to check out the tag |
| 18:21 | owen | What about: git checkout v3.02.01 |
| 18:21 | chris | owen that will work, but you wont be on a local branch |
| 18:22 | which is totally fine | |
| 18:22 | unless you want to make changes and change to another branch | |
| 18:22 | jcamins | Okay, I have to run, but I'll be back to pick chris's brain on how to solve this problem tomorrow. Thanks for the help! |
| 18:22 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 18:23 | nengard | wow - so the calendar did change in 3.2 - it's purty :) |
| 18:23 | thought it was something in head | |
| 18:23 | need to get new screenshots | |
| 18:23 | owen | In 3.2.1 I think nengard |
| 18:23 | nengard | cool |
| 18:23 | that's fine | |
| 18:24 | just so it's not a dev branch | |
| 18:24 | 3.2 manual will be for 3.2.x | |
| 18:24 | and 3.4 manual will be dev branch | |
| 18:24 | or head | |
| 18:25 | chris | jcamins_a: ping me when you are back, there are a few ways to deal with it |
| 18:25 | nengard | k - screencast time - will log back in when done - can't have chats popping up in my video |
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| 18:29 | chris | test? |
| 18:29 | * ibot | does a testing dance |
| 18:29 | chris | nice day? |
| 18:29 | ibot | you betcha chris |
| 18:29 | chris | cool |
| 18:29 | Brooke | heheh |
| 18:29 | * Brooke | is actually a chat bot. |
| 18:30 | chris | by my calculations we have 13.5 hours until meeting? |
| 18:30 | chris_n | jcamins: how are you retrieving the patch? |
| 18:30 | chris | who can i lean on to send out a reminder email? |
| 18:31 | jwagner | chris, what meeting? |
| 18:31 | chris | oh, whoops its a whole week away |
| 18:31 | cait | what meeting? |
| 18:31 | lol | |
| 18:31 | don't scare us! | |
| 18:31 | * chris_n | hands chris strong coffee |
| 18:32 | jwagner | chris just wants us (US east coast anyway) to get up VERY early tomorrow morning for no reason.... |
| 18:32 | chris | chris_n: usually when i run into this its a patch thats been signed off, and the persons mailer has added another content type line |
| 18:32 | chris_n | yup |
| 18:32 | chris | chris_n: but it sounds like jcamins is in the middle of a rebase |
| 18:32 | chris_n | that's my experience as well |
| 18:32 | * Brooke | trudges slowly towards the door on the way to the executioner, er family event... |
| 18:32 | druthb | lol |
| 18:32 | chris_n | I've also had that happen as well |
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| 18:32 | chris | you can edit the file then too |
| 18:33 | all the commits get made into files under .git/rebase-apply | |
| 18:34 | * chris_n | learns yet another new thing |
| 18:34 | chris | or if you are doing rebase -i |
| 18:35 | git? | |
| 18:35 | ibot | git is, like, found at http://git.koha-community.org |
| 18:36 | chris | git also freaking rules |
| 18:36 | git? | |
| 18:36 | ibot | git is found at http://git.koha-community.org |
| 18:37 | chris | git |
| 18:37 | git? | |
| 18:37 | ibot | freaking rules |
| 18:38 | chris | git? |
| 18:38 | ibot | freaking rules |
| 18:38 | chris | git? |
| 18:38 | ibot | freaking rules |
| 18:38 | chris | git? |
| 18:38 | ibot | git is found at http://git.koha-community.org |
| 18:38 | * chris | figures out how to make ibot do semi random replies |
| 18:38 | chris | chris? |
| 18:38 | ibot | you are probably the friendliest of all of us |
| 18:38 | chris | forget chris |
| 18:38 | ibot | chris: I forgot chris |
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| 18:39 | chris | chris is some guy|awake to early|craving coffee |
| 18:39 | cait | chris - don't make ibot forget about you all the time! |
| 18:39 | chris | chris? |
| 18:39 | ibot | you are awake to early |
| 18:39 | chris | chris? |
| 18:39 | ibot | hmmm... chris is craving coffee |
| 18:39 | chris | like that :) |
| 18:39 | cait | okok |
| 18:39 | chris | right time to start heading out to the bus |
| 18:43 | magnus_a is now known as magnus | |
| 18:43 | magnus | hm, it hought the next meeting was in 2 weeks time? |
| 18:43 | December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0? | |
| 18:43 | cait | 8th of december? |
| 18:44 | magnus | yeah, meant 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 18:44 | cait | it's in the topi |
| 18:44 | c | |
| 18:44 | owen | The next general meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 18:44 | The next general meeting? | |
| 18:44 | ibot | the next general meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 18:45 | cait | meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 18:45 | meeting? | |
| 18:45 | ibot | meeting is probably on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 18:48 | cait | makes it easier to remember the keyword :) |
| 18:51 | druthb | ibot: cait? |
| 18:51 | ibot | hmmm... cait is really sweet. |
| 18:52 | cait | aw |
| 18:52 | druthb | :D |
| 18:52 | * cait | give ibot a hug |
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| 18:54 | jwagner is now known as jwag_mtg | |
| 18:56 | cait | nengard? |
| 18:56 | ibot | i guess nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. |
| 18:58 | chris | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 18:58 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:59 | druthb | @wunder 20817 |
| 18:59 | munin | druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 19.3�C (1:59 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:59 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 18:59 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7�C (7:55 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:59 | * druthb | hands cait an extra cloak. |
| 19:00 | cait | yeah, getting colder and colder now |
| 19:00 | it's supposed to snow tonight | |
| 19:00 | * chris | waits for the 8am update its gotta be 13 at least and now no clouds |
| 19:02 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 19:02 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0�C (7:50 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:02 | * druthb | shivers. |
| 19:11 | chris | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 19:11 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:11 | chris | I was close |
| 19:12 | magnus | yay! |
| 19:13 | trea | heh |
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| 19:20 | jwag_mtg is now known as jwagner | |
| 19:23 | nengard | how do i ask ibot about me? |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | ibot: nengard? |
| 19:23 | ibot | i heard nengard was like a good speech: short, and sweet. |
| 19:23 | nengard | hmmm yeah -- that was most certainly druthb |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | ibot: wizzyrea? |
| 19:23 | ibot | i heard wizzyrea was a ray of sunshine. |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | hmm. yea, def. |
| 19:23 | nengard | aww :) |
| 19:24 | and how do we teach ibot those things? | |
| 19:24 | owen | nengard has a blog at http://www.web2learning.net/ |
| 19:24 | nengard? | |
| 19:24 | ibot | nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. |
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| 19:24 | owen | nengard? |
| 19:24 | ibot | nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. |
| 19:24 | owen | nengard? |
| 19:24 | ibot | well, nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. |
| 19:24 | * druthb | stands mute, and a plea of Not Guilty was entered by the court. |
| 19:24 | owen | Oh, I guess ibot needs the "is" |
| 19:24 | nengard | nengard is a blogger at http://web2learning.net |
| 19:24 | nengard? | |
| 19:24 | ibot | you are like a good speech: short, and sweet. |
| 19:24 | nengard | nope |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | nengard? |
| 19:24 | ibot | nengard is, like, like a good speech: short, and sweet |
| 19:25 | chris | nengard is also a blogger |
| 19:25 | ibot | okay, chris. |
| 19:25 | chris | Nengard? |
| 19:25 | ibot | i think Nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. or a blogger |
| 19:25 | nengard | oh cool :) hehe |
| 19:25 | owen | By the way nengard, I like your new blog template |
| 19:25 | nengard | thanks owen |
| 19:25 | took me forever to fnd it | |
| 19:25 | find | |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | hrmnengard |
| 19:26 | nengard? | |
| 19:26 | ibot | somebody said nengard was a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | nengard? |
| 19:26 | ibot | nengard is probably a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | nengard? |
| 19:26 | ibot | it has been said that nengard is like a good speech, short and sweet |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 19:26 | I win | |
| 19:26 | so what I did was | |
| 19:27 | forgot her (forget nengard) | |
| 19:27 | then nengard is like a good speech, short and sweet | a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ | |
| 19:27 | and that adds 2 things that she is | |
| 19:29 | cait | we need --ammend for ibot :) |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | yes, that |
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| 19:30 | richard | hi |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | hi richard :) |
| 19:44 | magnus | hm, at some point in back in time i went and created my XSLT files for the OPAC with nothing but norwegian text in them. Should they have been in english? i guess no-one else than norwegians will be interested in them. and they echo a lot of text from the NORMARC standard... |
| 19:44 | s/XSLT/NORMARC XSLT/ | |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | magnus: that depends; ideally they'd have been in English with a translation to Norwegian, but if they display standard is signficantly different, making the localization mechanism be able to slot in replacement XSLTs could be handy |
| 19:47 | of course, the trade-off would be more work to maintain those no-NO XSLTs | |
| 19:49 | magnus | it's not very different from marc21 |
| 19:49 | some of the coded fields in 00x have different meanings | |
| 19:49 | chris | http://www.lib.umich.edu/open-[…]iographic-records |
| 19:49 | some good data for testing | |
| 19:49 | magnus | lots of fields in marc21 are not in normarc |
| 19:50 | a few fields in normarc are not in marc21 | |
| 19:52 | chris: in case you havn't seen it, open library has a lot of bib.records from different sources on archive.org: http://www.archive.org/details/ol_data | |
| 19:53 | chris | yup |
| 19:54 | cait | chris: https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.ph[…]:openaccess:start |
| 19:55 | chris | someone should make a page on our wiki linking to all of these :) |
| 19:55 | thats very cool cait | |
| 19:57 | cait | both very big libraries |
| 19:59 | magnus | hm good name for the page? "free marc records"? |
| 20:00 | chris | that'd work |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | sources of sample marc data? |
| 20:00 | cait | yep |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | (free) sample marc data |
| 20:00 | cait | ours include authorities too |
| 20:02 | magnus | i'm on it |
| 20:02 | chris | magnus++ |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | jcamins: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7727401/ |
| 20:10 | magnus | it's a start: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_sample_MARC_data |
| 20:10 | chris | yay! |
| 20:10 | * druthb | leaps up to go catch the bus. |
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| 20:12 | cait | magnus++ |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | magnus++ |
| 20:12 | magnus | ooh, thanks guys! |
| 20:19 | cait | magnus? |
| 20:19 | ibot | it has been said that magnus is an awesome fellow. |
| 20:19 | magnus | woohoo! |
| 20:20 | probably not very often, but anyway... | |
| 20:24 | sekjal_a is now known as sekjal | |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | modest too |
| 20:25 | magnus | hiya sekjal |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt | RDA? |
| 20:26 | cait | hi sekjal:) |
| 20:26 | sekjal | hi, magnus, cait! |
| 20:26 | gmcharlt | RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards |
| 20:26 | RDA? | |
| 20:26 | ibot | it has been said that RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards |
| 20:26 | gmcharlt | ibot++ |
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| 20:28 | LBA is now known as LBA-away | |
| 20:30 | * magnus | needs a reboot |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | magnus is in need of a reboot |
| 20:30 | magnus? | |
| 20:30 | ibot | magnus is an awesome fellow. |
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| 20:57 | wizzyrea | hmm, interesting question: is there a way to find out how many patrons are logging into the OPAC to use features? |
| 20:58 | chris | how many login ? |
| 20:58 | you could tell that from the apache logs | |
| 20:58 | and/or the sessions table | |
| 20:58 | (but you probably purge the sessions table) | |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | and actually, analytics could give you nice non-specific, non-patron tied user data |
| 20:59 | chris | you can put analytics into the opac using the js syspref |
| 20:59 | magnus | could that be seen as an invasion of privacy? |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | right, just when you said that the lightbulb went on that that's what we do here. |
| 20:59 | cait | same thought here |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | simply gathering visit data? |
| 21:00 | owen | If anyone sees Google Analytics as an invasion of privacy they've got bigger problems than the library |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | I can see it would be if you were able to say "jane doe logged in at 8:52pm and looked at her account details and renewed a book) |
| 21:01 | owen | And I know some do |
| 21:01 | magnus | well, if you use google analytics you are letting google track what pages in the opac they are viewing etc |
| 21:02 | i remember thinking "why isn't there a syspref for google analytics?" when i was new to koha... ;-) | |
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| 21:03 | gmcharlt | magnus: it's the InviteTheFBI syspref, naturally |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | magnus: not to be trite, but that's pretty much the same info (and more) that they give willingly to facebook |
| 21:03 | cait | wizzyrea: not everybody has a facebook account |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | s/facebook/almost every website |
| 21:04 | simply by virtue of surfing | |
| 21:04 | magnus | wizzyrea: sure, and i'm not too paranoid myself, but i'm not sure i would want to let google "look over the shoulder" of patrons... |
| 21:04 | cait | the problem is that those data is linked together by google, it's a whole profile, not single site visits |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | so you would be ok with a private webstat engine? |
| 21:05 | magnus | and lots of people put info into librarything that is similar to what libraries would like to keep - but at least in norway there is a law that says all info about a loan must be deleted on return... |
| 21:05 | cait | privacy issues are taken very seriously around here - some libraries even refuse to use google books - because it asks google every time |
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| 21:06 | chris | yep, thats why its not on by default and is a per library choice |
| 21:06 | if they want to enable it, they enter some js in | |
| 21:06 | cait | only to explain it :) |
| 21:06 | nengard | what goes in the expirationdate in the reserves table - is this where the date goes that the patron can enter - or is this when their hold was canceled? |
| 21:06 | chris | the latter |
| 21:07 | actually hang on | |
| 21:07 | lemme check | |
| 21:07 | cait | no |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | hm, I wonder if that goes afoul of data collection laws though (not here, but in other more privacy less insane countries) |
| 21:07 | cait | nengard: is there a cancellation date too? |
| 21:07 | nengard | cancellationdate |
| 21:07 | yes | |
| 21:07 | cait | yeah, thats the latter |
| 21:07 | I think it's the date you will take the book out of the shelf | |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | expiration date is when a filled hold expires off of the hold shelf, I think |
| 21:07 | cait | for the next user |
| 21:08 | what liz says | |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | I was going to say "what cait said" |
| 21:08 | lol | |
| 21:08 | cait | hehe |
| 21:08 | nengard | so if it's the date i will take it off the shelf then what field is the one where the patron says i don't need this after such and such date |
| 21:09 | cait | do we have an option for that in the opac? |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | ^^ I don't recall that feature |
| 21:10 | < doesn't know everything though (by a long shot) | |
| 21:10 | cait | there is the hold date in future thing |
| 21:10 | chris | yeah |
| 21:10 | cait | but that's something else |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | but that's ^^ what she said |
| 21:11 | chris | im not sure you can set a i dont wnat it after this date |
| 21:11 | nengard | there are two dates - a hold date in future and a 'not needed after' date |
| 21:11 | both can be turned on using sys prefs | |
| 21:11 | trust the author of the manual :) | |
| 21:11 | cait | hm |
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| 21:12 | cait | what is the syspref for the later? |
| 21:12 | you could add a date like ..01/01/1111 and look where it ends up | |
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| 21:14 | nengard | in the interface it says 'hold expires on' |
| 21:14 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x6800#AEN6803 | |
| 21:14 | http://koha-community.org/wp-c[…]aceholdsingle.png | |
| 21:14 | it's not a preference i was wrong on that count | |
| 21:14 | chris | and i dont think you can do it in the opac |
| 21:15 | nengard | hmm |
| 21:15 | k - but still - where in the database does that date go? | |
| 21:15 | I think it goes in expireddate | |
| 21:15 | or expirationdate | |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | put one in and see |
| 21:15 | :) | |
| 21:15 | cait | nengard: I wondered about the notes some time ago |
| 21:15 | not sure it's really shown somewhere | |
| 21:16 | nengard | chris it's in the opac - it says 'Hold Not Needed After' |
| 21:16 | copied from my opac :) | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | it's not allowhold date in future? |
| 21:16 | cait | ah, it shows the notes in the holds list |
| 21:16 | nengard | testing now |
| 21:16 | cait | wizzyrea: does not look like it |
| 21:16 | nengard | no hold date in future means don't start my hold til this date |
| 21:17 | but this is different | |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | right |
| 21:17 | i'm looking here too | |
| 21:18 | nengard | yup - expirationdate is populated by the 'not needed after' dates |
| 21:18 | cait | nengard: you are right |
| 21:18 | chris | yeah but nothing checks it |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate? |
| 21:18 | cait | perhaps waitingdate is uses for calculation of the date we were talking about? |
| 21:19 | chris | so unless you are running something to clean out expired ones |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | that must be |
| 21:19 | nengard | so we have waitingdate notificationdate cancellationdate (not expireddate - that was a typo) |
| 21:19 | chris | they wont actually expire |
| 21:19 | nengard | chris there is a cron for that |
| 21:19 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]h=a13002#AEN13084 | |
| 21:19 | :) | |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | ah well there you go |
| 21:19 | nengard | this by the way is why i can't remember where my shoes are - cause my head is full of koha manual |
| 21:19 | chris | you shoulda just looked at that file then |
| 21:20 | cait | nengard: I can understand that |
| 21:20 | started to write a syspref manual for my coworkers today | |
| 21:20 | nengard | what i'm asking i guess is is there a field where the date goes that an item needs to be pulled from the shelf |
| 21:20 | cait | it's crazy what is hiding in my head |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | it must compute that from the waiting date |
| 21:20 | cait | I thin harley has features for that |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | you mean the hold shelf |
| 21:21 | nengard | yes hold shelf |
| 21:21 | and you're right it must calculate it | |
| 21:21 | which means it's not stored in the db | |
| 21:21 | which means i can't run the report i want to run | |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | harley does a thing re: move into the queue at the following date |
| 21:22 | cait | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]arley_Integration : 3474 |
| 21:22 | bug 1532 | |
| 21:22 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1532 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Port dev_week holds enhancements to 3.0 |
| 21:28 | magnus | good night folks! |
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| 21:28 | cait | night magnus |
| 21:37 | chris | hmm this mine story is not going to have a happy ending :( |
| 21:37 | cait | :( |
| 21:38 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ll-breaks-through |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | :( |
| 21:44 | oh, that's gonna be ugly | |
| 21:44 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | …only in 2010: AP |
| 21:47 | The Queen posted a message of congratulations on Twitter. | |
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| 22:43 | cait | good night |
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