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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:02 | wasabi | hey ronald, mason here ;) |
| 00:02 | you got home OK then... | |
| 00:03 | ronald | yes |
| 00:04 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 00:04 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.9�C (5:14 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:04 | brendan | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 00:04 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 00:13 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 00:13 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.8�C (8:25 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 00:13 | * chris_n | burned the first fire of the season tonight |
| 00:22 | ronald left #koha | |
| 00:22 | brendan | ah I love fires |
| 00:22 | hiya chris_n | |
| 00:23 | chris_n | hey brandan |
| 00:23 | brendan | ah I can tell you live in the south ;) |
| 00:24 | chris_n | heh :-) |
| 00:24 | nothing like a fire on a very cold night with some hot chocolate and spiced cider, etc | |
| 00:26 | of course what we're missing here is the very cold night part | |
| 00:28 | ronald joined #koha | |
| 00:36 | brendan | anybody know off the top of their heads - what is being passed for the syndectics enhanced content (is it the first ISBN in the record - or is it all of them)? |
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| 00:38 | chris_n | heya cait |
| 00:38 | cait | hi chris_n |
| 00:38 | chris_n | seen your bags yet? |
| 00:39 | cait | nope |
| 00:39 | brendan | oh bummer |
| 00:39 | cait | called them, they have no idea where it is |
| 00:40 | brendan | that's not good at all |
| 00:40 | cait | oh |
| 00:40 | chris_n | ouch, sorry :-( |
| 00:41 | cait | checking the online tracking system |
| 00:41 | it says now: baggage located | |
| 00:41 | * chris_n | holds his breath |
| 00:41 | cait | perhaps they do know now where it is |
| 00:41 | * cait | hopes for london or zürich, not sydney or wellington |
| 00:41 | * chris_n | thinks cheap rfid tags on baggage would help |
| 00:41 | cait | yeah |
| 00:42 | my flight from london to zürich was delayed - they told us, we were waiting for the baggage to arrive and be loaded... | |
| 00:42 | hmpf. | |
| 00:44 | ok, I hope I will get it tomorrow, I am away for a presentation on thursday, will make it harder to get it delivered | |
| 00:46 | chris | cait!!! |
| 00:47 | * cait | waves |
| 00:47 | cait | hi chris :) |
| 00:47 | chris | heya, glad you made it home, sorry to hear about the bag |
| 00:47 | cait | nah, could be worse |
| 00:47 | and at least it seems they have found it | |
| 00:47 | chris | yay |
| 00:47 | cait | I even have a flight number now - trying to find out which flight it is |
| 00:47 | missing nz | |
| 00:48 | chris | i have eaten some of your chocolate, saving the rest for when i have a stressful day |
| 00:49 | cait | share with the kids! :) |
| 00:50 | chris | they had some :) |
| 00:50 | cait | but hope you liked it |
| 00:50 | chris | yes, very yummy |
| 00:50 | cait | that's good |
| 00:51 | and it must have been more chocolate than I thought, my suitcase was lighter on my way back home :) | |
| 00:51 | were the test cases ok? saw that you pushed them | |
| 00:52 | robin | hi cait! |
| 00:52 | cait | hi robin :) |
| 00:54 | chris | cait: yep, they ran fine |
| 00:54 | there was one that gmcharlt fixed, but the rest were fine | |
| 00:55 | cait | ok :) |
| 00:55 | chris | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]Build/testReport/ |
| 00:55 | now 1711 tests being run | |
| 00:55 | cait | I think the unit tests 101 are all done now, will try to do some for overdues perhaps next |
| 00:56 | chris | yay! |
| 00:56 | cait | wanted to look at the code there to make some changes fo rus |
| 01:03 | nicole and brian are still in nz? | |
| 01:05 | chris | yup |
| 01:05 | at wineries at the moment | |
| 01:05 | cait | aw |
| 01:06 | * cait | wants to be there too |
| 01:06 | chris | hehe |
| 01:08 | cait | was strange waking up in my own bad, took some time to realize where I am :) |
| 01:09 | robin | and now the sun moves across the sky in the wrong direction for you, which must be confusing. |
| 01:10 | cait | saw not much sun here today |
| 01:11 | but will check tomorrow ;) | |
| 01:11 | and I should not be awake now | |
| 01:13 | bad = bed... | |
| 01:13 | chris | yes, its pretty early in the morning for you |
| 01:13 | robin | surely it would be easier to just stick with NZ time from now on? :) |
| 01:15 | cait | hehe |
| 01:15 | yes, but employer would not be happy, I am going back to work today | |
| 01:17 | chris_n | lol |
| 01:17 | * chris_n | tries to imagine the whole world on a single TZ |
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| 01:26 | chris_n | opps... forgot to add the signed off flag :-( |
| 01:27 | * cait1 | gives chris_n a cookie |
| 01:28 | chris_n | a chocolate-mint cookie? |
| 01:28 | cait1 | ? |
| 01:28 | chris | ahh its ok, i read the patches anyway |
| 01:29 | i see its now been signed off twice :) | |
| 01:29 | chris_n | just my favorite flavor cookie |
| 01:29 | cait1 | I offer you a free cookie and you hav especial wishes? |
| 01:29 | chris | thats good enough for me, ill push it |
| 01:29 | chris_n | hehe |
| 01:29 | cait1 | ;) |
| 01:29 | * cait1 | gets hungry now |
| 01:31 | chris_n | is it me or is the list server slow tonight? |
| 01:32 | * chris_n | only received 2/2 not 1/2 yet |
| 01:33 | chris | for 4991 |
| 01:33 | im just gonna merge the branch anyway, not reaplly the patches | |
| 01:38 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4991' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]abe5b8c22c984b3f8> / bug 4991: follow-up tweaks <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ca218f46f2662310e> / Fix for Bug 4991, Overhaul of Calendar interface <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1117f6920ceccecc8 |
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| 01:48 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/merge_help' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]197034dd210504543> |
| 01:50 | brendan | hmmm... anyone have a record in their opacs that has a the series information is in the 490 and not the 440 and that is displaying correctly |
| 01:50 | with XSLT on | |
| 01:51 | it's in the code that it should be displaying - but it's not | |
| 01:51 | example - http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cg[…]iblionumber=11678 | |
| 01:55 | ok I think I see the issue - but I'm not sure will need to look at some more examples | |
| 01:55 | in the XSLT stylesheet - I'm seeing indacator info --> [@ind1=0] | |
| 01:56 | not sure if we need that - it's not there for the [440] tag | |
| 01:56 | thoughts? | |
| 01:57 | cait1 | hm yes |
| 01:58 | iirc the indicator indicates if it's traced or not | |
| 01:58 | are you looking at current head? | |
| 01:59 | brendan | I don't think I'm looking at head |
| 01:59 | let me see | |
| 01:59 | what head has | |
| 01:59 | cait1 | I think head should have a bugfix by owen |
| 01:59 | killing the indicator distinction | |
| 01:59 | and I have a patch for readding it with (I hope) correct behaviour: | |
| 01:59 | http://github.com/kfischer/Koh[…]71cf7dc97bdbe7819 | |
| 02:00 | brendan | yup I see that now |
| 02:03 | jcamins_a | Ooh, are we talking about series tracings? |
| 02:04 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 02:04 | jcamins | There was a patch by owen. |
| 02:05 | (applied to head... I was looking at it yesterday) | |
| 02:05 | But cait's patch is needed. | |
| 02:07 | chris | signoff and send it up, and if it looks ok ill push it :) |
| 02:08 | jcamins | First I need to write out what I think it should be doing, then find out if it does that. |
| 02:09 | And probably bribe cait to ask her coworker who works on RDA to confirm that the series handling is the same. | |
| 02:10 | * chris_n | sings the praises of running production over git |
| 02:11 | jcamins | chris_n: what? |
| 02:11 | You mean, using dev installs? | |
| 02:12 | chris_n | exactly |
| 02:12 | very smooth upgrading | |
| 02:12 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 02:13 | Yeah, also the ability to add bugfixes if there's a serious problem. | |
| 02:13 | chris_n | git++ * 1000 |
| 02:13 | and role back, etc, etc, etc | |
| 02:15 | chris | http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]ushed_3_November/ |
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| 02:18 | cait1 | jcamins: you don't need to bribe me, but not sure she will know about marc21 |
| 02:19 | jcamins | Isn't RDA going to be encoded in MARC, at least to start with? |
| 02:19 | brendan | jcamins that's what I've been hearing |
| 02:19 | * brendan | is no authority on that though |
| 02:20 | ronald_ left #koha | |
| 02:26 | cait1 | jcamins: ok, then she will probably know |
| 02:26 | jcmains: I have really not much idea about rda yet | |
| 02:26 | * jcamins | mostly just knows that it's going to be a disaster. |
| 02:32 | chris_n | g'night #koha |
| 02:32 | chris | night chris_n |
| 02:33 | jcamins | Good night, chris_n |
| 02:34 | cait1: speaking of night, why are you awake? | |
| 02:34 | cait1 | jetlag |
| 02:34 | jcamins | Isn't it... 5am? |
| 02:34 | Ah. | |
| 02:34 | Right. | |
| 02:34 | cait1 | i tried to stay up as long as possible, but fell asleep at 5.30 and now I am awake after 7 hours of sleep |
| 02:34 | brendan | man today disappeared and I've still got to ride my bike home - I'm going to freeze my *** off |
| 02:34 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 02:34 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (7:45 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 02:35 | brendan | that's not right munin |
| 02:35 | cait1 | @wunder Konstanz |
| 02:35 | munin | cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.4�C (3:49 AM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:35 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 02:35 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 7.6�C (10:45 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:35 | cait1 | and brendan is complaining... ;) |
| 02:35 | jcamins | That's exactly what I was thinking. |
| 02:35 | And I walked seventy blocks today. | |
| 02:36 | brendan | yeah I'm telling you weatherunderground is not reporting the correct temp |
| 02:36 | jcamins | Actually, you're right. |
| 02:36 | brendan | i'd guess it's about 12 outside (that's cold for shorts and a t-shirt) |
| 02:36 | jcamins | That's the same temperature it was this afternoon. |
| 02:37 | robin | brendan: I just checked, and I have a 490$a and $v field showing up fine in the opac with and without XSLT. I'm running from just before the 3.2 release. |
| 02:37 | I did also change the koha to marc mapping setting to match | |
| 02:37 | brendan | yeah I saw in head that's been somewhat changed from what I was looking at |
| 02:38 | need to rebase ;) | |
| 02:39 | jcamins | brendan: sounds like it. |
| 02:40 | There have been some great patches pushed in the past few weeks. | |
| 02:40 | cait1 | reading paul's acq rfc's |
| 02:40 | that's so cool - almost all things my librarians complained about during training are already sponsored | |
| 02:41 | jcamins | cait1: that's very nice. |
| 02:41 | cait1 is now known as cait | |
| 02:41 | cait | koha++ |
| 02:42 | yes, it really is. let's hope all the new features will find their way into 3.4 :) | |
| 02:42 | jcamins | koha++ |
| 02:42 | @karma koha | |
| 02:42 | munin | jcamins: Karma for "koha" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11. |
| 02:42 | jcamins | !?! |
| 02:42 | Eleven? | |
| 02:42 | koha++ | |
| 02:42 | cait | koha++ |
| 02:42 | koha++++++ | |
| 02:42 | @karma koha | |
| 02:42 | munin | cait: Karma for "koha" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. |
| 02:42 | cait | koha++ |
| 02:42 | koha++ | |
| 02:42 | koha++ | |
| 02:43 | jcamins | koha+=1000000000 |
| 02:43 | cait | this will get hard g |
| 02:43 | jcamins | (yeah, I know it doesn't work) |
| 02:43 | cait | or we have to ask gmcharlt to adjust it |
| 02:43 | jcamins | Oh, that would make sense. |
| 02:43 | @karma | |
| 02:43 | munin | jcamins: Highest karma: "chris" (187), "gmcharlt" (176), and "owen" (170). Lowest karma: "<!" (-71), "failed" (-46), and "-" (-30). You (jcamins) are ranked 19 out of 1046. |
| 02:44 | cait | :) |
| 02:44 | jcamins | I like the fact that - has negative karma. I guess lots of people have typed three dashes in a row. |
| 02:44 | cait | @karma jcamins |
| 02:44 | munin | cait: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. |
| 02:44 | cait | :) |
| 02:44 | jcamins | Wow, that's a lot of karma. |
| 02:44 | @karma cait | |
| 02:44 | munin | jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32. |
| 02:44 | jcamins | @karma kf |
| 02:44 | munin | jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 31 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 31. |
| 02:45 | jcamins | That's a lot more. ;) |
| 02:45 | cait | being here for a longer time |
| 02:45 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 02:45 | cait | you are catching up very fast :) |
| 02:45 | ITEM LOCATED, PENDING CONFIRMATION < suitcase found | |
| 02:46 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 02:46 | clothing++ | |
| 02:46 | Oh, phooey. I forgot to pick up my suit from the dry cleaner. | |
| 02:46 | cait | and there is a ba flight number that indicated it could already be in zürich! |
| 02:46 | lol | |
| 02:47 | brendan | @karma brendan |
| 02:47 | munin | brendan: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 19 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 19. |
| 02:47 | jcamins | @karma bywater |
| 02:47 | munin | jcamins: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11. |
| 02:47 | jcamins | @karma bywatersolutions |
| 02:47 | munin | jcamins: bywatersolutions has neutral karma. |
| 02:47 | brendan | @karma sekjal |
| 02:47 | munin | brendan: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 38 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 37. |
| 02:47 | brendan | @karma nengard |
| 02:47 | munin | brendan: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 122 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 122. |
| 02:48 | brendan | @karma Nate |
| 02:48 | munin | brendan: Karma for "Nate" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. |
| 02:48 | cait | ok, I will try to get some more slee |
| 02:48 | p | |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Good idea. |
| 02:48 | brendan | ah that's how it should be - sekjal and nengard should get the credit ;) |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Do you have work today? |
| 02:48 | cait | talk to you tomorrow :) |
| 02:48 | yep | |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Ick. |
| 02:48 | Good night. | |
| 02:48 | cait | 3 hours until i have to get up |
| 02:49 | thx :) | |
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| 02:50 | brendan | jcamins this is fun to look at --> http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
| 02:52 | jcamins | I'm 22nd most talkative. |
| 02:52 | Go figure. | |
| 02:53 | * jcamins | sniggers |
| 02:53 | * brendan | is still surprised that kados is better chris |
| 02:53 | jcamins | I like the "big numbers" section. |
| 02:53 | brendan | s/better/beating |
| 02:53 | that better is a bad slip | |
| 02:53 | brendan-- | |
| 02:53 | munin | brendan: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 02:55 | jcamins | Why doesn't the karma match up with what munin says? |
| 02:56 | brendan | I think it how many people have giving you karma |
| 02:56 | not the total | |
| 02:57 | gosh I'm typing like yoda tonight | |
| 02:58 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 03:05 | chris | kados used to talk a lot |
| 03:05 | and the logs only go back to 2003ish | |
| 03:05 | * richard | doesn't talk enought |
| 03:05 | chris | lemme update them |
| 03:05 | they are 3 weeks old | |
| 03:10 | brendan | ah cool - I think I should not be as high anymore - I don't think I've been to chatty lately (as I chatter away) :) |
| 03:10 | chris | there we go |
| 03:11 | brendan | munin is right on my tail |
| 03:11 | munin | brendan: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 03:12 | jcamins | brendan: looks like munin has said more than you. |
| 03:12 | brendan | well let me tell you my life story ;) |
| 03:13 | we'll all have to celebrate when chris passes kados for talking too much (errr.. maybe not enough) | |
| 03:16 | alright time for me to head home and finish the passage by justin cronin ;) | |
| 03:16 | I should have that as a link to a koha catalog - but I'm lazy right now ;) | |
| 03:16 | jcamins | munin: find Cronin's The Passage in a Koha catalog and provide a link. |
| 03:16 | munin | jcamins: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 03:17 | brendan | there you go --> http://67.23.28.20/cgi-bin/koh[…]blionumber=112753 |
| 03:17 | got it in a testing server | |
| 03:18 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 03:18 | That's really nice. | |
| 03:19 | Oh, ltfl? | |
| 03:19 | Is that where "you might also enjoy" is coming from? | |
| 03:19 | brendan | yup |
| 03:19 | ltfl++ | |
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| 03:26 | richard | bob: i'm marking off which of those bugs are unique to the katipo site - for lianza |
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| 03:38 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5308' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]32f2adbfeee56c445> |
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| 04:45 | brendan_l | so when do the biblibre people fly back home? |
| 04:46 | robin | they decided to stay here for good. |
| 04:48 | brendan_l | ha - I think the reset of bywater decided too |
| 04:49 | man rest not reset (ok bedtime for me) | |
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| 05:09 | kmkale | hi all |
| 05:09 | Wish you all a very very happy Diwali!! | |
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| 06:02 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:29 | chris | heya cait, get your bag? |
| 06:30 | cait | not yet |
| 06:30 | but the tracking system's message is more positive now | |
| 06:31 | so I hope they will call soon | |
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| 06:35 | fedora | hello |
| 06:37 | hello how are you can you tell me how i can confirm my zebra server running properly | |
| 06:40 | hdl | fedora: use yaz-client |
| 06:41 | or do ps auxf|grep zebra | |
| 06:42 | cait | hi hdl |
| 06:42 | * cait | waves |
| 06:44 | fedora | can you tell me |
| 06:44 | plz | |
| 06:44 | basically i installed koha 3.0.6 completely | |
| 06:44 | with zebra server but confuse how i will know properly zebra running | |
| 06:44 | backside | |
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| 06:51 | chris | hdl told you already |
| 06:51 | fedora: ps auxf|grep zebra | |
| 06:53 | hdl | hi cait. |
| 06:53 | hope you had a good flight back. | |
| 06:54 | chris.... Thanks you again. | |
| 06:54 | fedora | bash: !greo: event not found (when i run this command such error occur) |
| 06:54 | hdl | fedora: use your mouse. and copy paste. |
| 06:55 | chris | hdl: thanks for ?? |
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| 06:56 | paul_p | chris, thanks for your hospitality & this conference ! |
| 06:57 | chris | ahh :) it was my pleasure |
| 06:59 | paul_p: what time is your flight? | |
| 07:00 | paul_p | chris, 8AM |
| 07:00 | shuttle ordered at 6:30 | |
| 07:00 | (and gates closes at 8AM. take of at 8:40) | |
| 07:01 | chris | cool |
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| 07:12 | fedora | bye every body thanks for your help |
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| 07:21 | cait | hdl: flight was good, but suitcase missing. hope they will find and bring it to me today |
| 07:21 | hdl & paul_p: have a good flight! | |
| 07:21 | paul_p | cait, thx. Where are you now ? |
| 07:21 | cait | I am at home, heading to work |
| 07:22 | have to go - bye :) | |
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| 07:26 | Sussan | Hey anyone upgraded from koha 3.0.0 to 3.2 |
| 07:34 | Anyone upgraded i am going to implement it so anyone moved forward before me to take this risk | |
| 07:34 | lol | |
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| 07:39 | ivanc | hi #koha |
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| 08:09 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug2567' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]45b4fee447dc7e28c> |
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| 08:49 | maragar | Hello |
| 08:51 | I am trying to find finnish laguage files for koha, but just can't find a way to dl them. | |
| 08:52 | pootle site lists the project, but I can't find any way to dl it | |
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| 09:05 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 09:10 | chris | hi again kf |
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| 09:29 | irmaB | Bonsoir :-) |
| 09:30 | I need help editing the koha wiki page "development" | |
| 09:31 | anyone about? | |
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| 09:33 | Sussan | Goodmorning can anyone tell me how i can embed virtual keyboard in koha 3.0.6 |
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| 09:35 | irmaB | Hi Sussan |
| 09:35 | Sussan | Hir |
| 09:35 | Hi Irma | |
| 09:35 | irmaB | sorry I don't know the answer to your question ... maybe it's in the Koha manual? |
| 09:36 | Sussan | Basically i have implemented virtual keyboard in koha 2.9 but facing problem in koha 3.0.6 |
| 09:36 | Its ok no problem | |
| 09:39 | irmaB | perhaps try again later when more people are about or perhaps email the list .. |
| 09:39 | Sussan | can you tell me email id |
| 09:44 | irmaB | here it is : kohalists.katipo.co.nz. |
| 09:45 | good luck. | |
| 09:45 | chris | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 09:45 | subscribe first, or your message wont go through | |
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| 10:04 | kf | hi Irma :) |
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| 10:08 | irmaB | hi Katrin how was the trip home? |
| 10:09 | sooo nice to meet you in person in W'ton | |
| 10:10 | I am in Melbourne - did a Koha demo today | |
| 10:11 | and had to stop myself from not speaking too much about how cool the conf. was and going to Levin | |
| 10:11 | etc. | |
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| 10:13 | irmaB | Bist Du schon wieder an der Arbeit? |
| 10:15 | Sussan | irmaB here anyone implemented virtual keyboard before |
| 10:15 | especially in koha 3 | |
| 10:16 | irmaB | not sure in Koha 3 but libraries in Pakistan have I think |
| 10:17 | Chris Cormack will know but it's 11.30PM in New Zealand now so perhaps try again in 7 or 8 hours | |
| 10:17 | Sussan where in the world are you? | |
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| 10:19 | markk | good morning all |
| 10:19 | kf | irmaB: ja, entschuldige, bin wieder in der Arbeit und daher ein bisschen abgelenkt |
| 10:19 | irmaB: die Reise war gut - und heute kriege ich auch noch meinen koffer :) | |
| 10:20 | Sussan: I have, but I want to rewrite it. You can look at it in the catalog of one of our libraries: hfjs.bsz-bw.de | |
| 10:22 | irmaB | Hoffetlich ist alles in deinem Koffer...Schade das Du dieses Problem hast :-( |
| 10:24 | markk | yesterday i was having problems with barcodes auto-increment not working in kohalivecd r5 http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/. jcamins and owen tried to help me but didn't find any solution. Just for the information, anyone who needs a fast access to Koha 3.2 with barcodes working, try KohaLiveCD r6 based on Ubuntu 10.10 and Koha 3.2. |
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| 10:33 | Sussan | i am in sweeden irma |
| 10:33 | kf can you guide me | |
| 10:34 | kf | have you looked at the catalog if this solution is interesting for you? |
| 10:35 | irmaB: glad they found the suitcase, will be delivered today - very relieved now :) | |
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| 11:27 | kmkale | bye all |
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| 11:34 | Sussan | bye |
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| 12:41 | briceSanc | hello ! |
| 12:43 | owen | Hi briceSanc |
| 12:44 | briceSanc | Do you know if we can translate something in an input type="text" like a placeholder="words in english" ? |
| 12:45 | do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)2 ? | |
| 12:45 | oops | |
| 12:45 | do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)" ? | |
| 12:46 | owen | briceSanc: I don't believe so, based on the fact that, for instance, the French template translation shows submit button labels in French. |
| 12:47 | That means that the "value" attribute of the input tag is being picked up by the translation script | |
| 12:47 | gmcharlt | right |
| 12:47 | kf | briceSanc: which version of koha are u using? |
| 12:47 | gmcharlt | also, note that the _("foo bar") construction should only be used for JavaScript embedded in the templates |
| 12:47 | kf | there was a problem with translation of submit buttons some time ago |
| 12:48 | but it's solved in 3.2, don't know about the 3.0.x releases | |
| 12:49 | briceSanc | owen, ok. gmcharlt, ok too. kf, I use the latest Koha on Git. |
| 12:51 | In fact, i want to translate in french this portion of code : <input placeholder="Enter search keywords" type="text" name="q" /> | |
| 12:52 | owen | What is "placeholder" ? |
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| 12:52 | briceSanc | Do you know how I can tell the script translation "Enter search keywords" is to translate? |
| 12:53 | gmcharlt | owen: briceSanc: looks like an HTML5 construct |
| 12:53 | briceSanc | placeholder is the new html5 |
| 12:53 | gmcharlt | for hint text |
| 12:53 | briceSanc | http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html |
| 12:54 | gmcharlt | and for right now, just put the label outside of the <input> element |
| 12:55 | use of HTML5 in the templates is slightly premature | |
| 12:59 | briceSanc | i dont think, because if the browser doesn't support the html5 tag placeholder, a JS function emulate the tag behavior. |
| 13:00 | gmcharlt | what JS function? coming from where? |
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| 13:01 | gmcharlt | also, currently the convention is to have all Koha HTML be valid XHTML |
| 13:01 | which has mostly been followed with the exception of allowing the autocomplete attribute | |
| 13:02 | I agree that we should be planning on moving to HTML5, but it is still a bit of moving target | |
| 13:02 | briceSanc | jquery plugin : jquery.placeholder.js |
| 13:02 | schuster | Who manages the koha-devel email list? I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited. It talks about koha.org all over the place. No wonder people are confused! |
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| 13:03 | gmcharlt | @later tell hdl <schuster> Who manages the koha-devel email list? I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited. It talks about koha.org all over the place. No wonder people are confused! |
| 13:03 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:04 | gmcharlt | schuster: could you forward me a copy of the message you got when you subcribed? |
| 13:04 | schuster | Yes I also just found hdl so I will forward it to both of you. |
| 13:06 | snap! done. Thanks gmcharlt. | |
| 13:07 | I liked seeing that I was 27th in the chatty list... too bad I'm not 27 in the commit list :( not my strong point. | |
| 13:07 | briceSanc | gmcharlt, my real question is: Is it possible to wrap terms in markers in order to force the translation ? |
| 13:08 | gmcharlt | briceSanc: not like that. a bit of code in the translation system would have to be changed to recognize that the placeholder element needs to be picked up |
| 13:08 | it's not a big deal | |
| 13:08 | briceSanc | ok :) |
| 13:08 | gmcharlt | but I'm not really sure what placeholder gets us all by itself |
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| 13:09 | gmcharlt | when we move to HTML5 or XHTML5, we'll get it |
| 13:09 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:15 | owen | I wonder what will become of my work on Bug 3652 with the transition to template toolkit |
| 13:15 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities |
| 13:21 | jcamins | Won't T::T still require escaping? |
| 13:25 | kf | hi jcamins :) |
| 13:26 | jcamins | kf: long time no talk! |
| 13:26 | Are you at all awake? | |
| 13:26 | kf | hm |
| 13:27 | I feel a bit odd, but I am awake | |
| 13:27 | still sorting through my mail | |
| 13:27 | preparing for presentations tomorrow and friday | |
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| 13:55 | Sussan | hello |
| 13:56 | any body at home | |
| 13:59 | owen | Hi Sussan |
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| 14:02 | Sussan | hi owen |
| 14:02 | owen | Sussan: If you have a question you can ask it here |
| 14:03 | Sussan | can i enable virtual keyboard in search option |
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| 14:03 | Sussan | so any code available any place |
| 14:04 | 2nd thing can i upgrade koha 3.0.6 to 3.2 | |
| 14:04 | basically people generally face lot of problem when they upgrade | |
| 14:08 | kf | Sussan: koha has no feature for virtual keyboard yet, you have to do something yourself - that's why I offered to send you how I did it for our library |
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| 14:11 | Sussan | thanks Kf |
| 14:12 | kf but our admin approximately 15 minutes ago reffering library that using virtual keyboard i said that it wll be previous version because i know how to configure virtual key board in previous versions | |
| 14:13 | before koha version 3 | |
| 14:14 | kf | I was not aware that koha before 3.0 had virtual keyboards |
| 14:14 | which library was he referring to? | |
| 14:15 | Sussan | no kf they just modified by himself |
| 14:15 | reffereing any indian library which did change by theirself | |
| 14:17 | thats why i also became confuse and other thing do you think its better to upgrade version while we are in production environment just suggest me | |
| 14:18 | kf | do you have a test installation? |
| 14:18 | we usually make a test upgrade first and later the production systems | |
| 14:19 | but I am not sure how other libraries work here | |
| 14:19 | our first major upgrade will be from 3.01.61 to 3.2 | |
| 14:19 | Sussan | yes |
| 14:20 | hope for the best | |
| 14:21 | basically some one in morning said me that one guy which comeonline on evening recently upgraded 3.2 | |
| 14:21 | Kf so are you using debian or ubuntu | |
| 14:21 | os | |
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| 14:31 | Sussan | bye kf and take care |
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| 15:28 | schuster | gmcharlt - question about bug 4240 |
| 15:28 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC |
| 15:29 | schuster | On the Harley page it talks about needing to add the Aspell dictionary and possibly a syspref for the number of responses. So I am to assume this hasn't been pulled into 3.2 yet. |
| 15:29 | But could be an enhancement for 3.4? | |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | yes, it could be |
| 15:31 | would need some cleaning up, as it currently hardcodes using the en-US dictionary | |
| 15:31 | * jcamins | winces |
| 15:32 | gmcharlt | but the basic approach suggested in the patch is workable |
| 15:34 | kf | hm |
| 15:35 | jcamins++ | |
| 15:35 | for wincing at hardcoded en-US :) | |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 15:36 | brendan | morning all |
| 15:37 | schuster | heyo - I'm feeling rather old today - and need a clarification what is "heh" |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | "heh"? a laugh that is barely a laugh |
| 15:38 | is that what you mean? | |
| 15:38 | * kf | is feeling rather old today too - blaming the jetlag |
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| 15:46 | schuster | yes thanks that's what I thought, but there are soooo many little texting things I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a good one! |
| 15:49 | Question about "reviews" in the opac - I know we can moderate them would it be hard to add the borrowers location that submitted it? With 67 schools I really don't want to be the moderator and would like to push them to the librarian. hmmm even to the point of when they click submit it looked at the library email address for the location and just emailed it | |
| 15:49 | to the librarian and then they would know to go in and "fix/review" the review before accepting it. | |
| 15:50 | Seeing an enhancement form in my head... | |
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| 15:52 | gmcharlt | schuster: the patrons' home library? |
| 15:58 | schuster | Yes. |
| 16:00 | gmcharlt | wouldn't be hard to add the ability to filter the list of reviews by library |
| 16:00 | would that serve your need? | |
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| 16:03 | schuster | For a starter yes - but I also see that the "moderator" can't Modify a review either. |
| 16:03 | Just thinking out loud kind of RFC on the IRC... :) | |
| 16:03 | Alpha bet soup...;) | |
| 16:04 | I'll go and put an RFC together on the Wiki for people to comment on and add thoughts/suggestions. | |
| 16:04 | gmcharlt | yep, letting the moderator actually change the comment/review would be something new |
| 16:04 | still not hard | |
| 16:05 | schuster | Thanks... perks my interest in how we can make the catalog more web 2.0 here and also use it as a curriculum tie in. Is there a way to delete a review after it has been accepted? |
| 16:07 | owen | I would like to add options for controlling how the patron's info is displayed by the comments. |
| 16:07 | I'm not very comfortable with showing the patron's name by default | |
| 16:08 | gmcharlt | schuster: not presently, but would be another small change |
| 16:09 | schuster | Hmmm hadn't gotten that far yet owen... another reason to write this up as an RFC and let people comment. I can see a syspref for - name display on comments - first, last, both, none or what were you thinking? |
| 16:09 | gmcharlt | or add a field for a patron nick? |
| 16:10 | owen | Full name, First plus last initial, or opac login name were my ideas |
| 16:10 | schuster | so on the form page another field would be nick or would that be on the borrower record? |
| 16:11 | our logins are our ID numbers so I would need to discuss this further locally but first name and last initial... hmmm. | |
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| 16:28 | schuster | Ok I'm feeling really dumb... I see how to add an enhancement - I've logged into the wiki, but can't for the life of me find how to add a page and link it to the RFC pages. |
| 16:28 | jcamins | schuster: that took me ages to figure out. |
| 16:28 | You have to create a link to the page first. | |
| 16:28 | owen | It's a weird quirk of wikis |
| 16:29 | schuster | so go to the RFC3.4 page and create a link under say the C - for comments and fill it out and link it appropriately? |
| 16:32 | guess when I figure this out I need to write it up and put it on the wiki! | |
| 16:36 | need another bone still feeling really dumb. so if I have an RFC for 3.4 I go to the page where all the RFC3.4's are | |
| 16:36 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]egory:RFCs_for3.4 | |
| 16:38 | but then what? | |
| 16:44 | Ok I think I found a way around what I was trying to do... I searched and then "created" when nothing came up that I liked. | |
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| 16:46 | mib_mike | Hi everybody |
| 16:47 | I just upgraded to 3.2 and I'm getting this error: Use of uninitialized value $borrowernumber in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 485. | |
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| 16:49 | mib_mike | It's possible I've got a conflict between perl modules in the installer and newer cpan modules. Any idea how I can resolve it? |
| 16:55 | jcamins | mib_mike: I don't know, but which modules did you have problems with? |
| 16:57 | mib_mike | I didn't have problems with modules. I installed all the cpan modules in "INSTALL.ubuntu" and then the modules in INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid |
| 16:58 | There were a lot more in the former than in the latter, so I assume I might have a problem there. | |
| 16:58 | schuster | whew... That was harder than it should have been. - http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/PAC_Comments_RFC |
| 16:59 | chris_n | ouch |
| 16:59 | schuster | I feel documentation coming on for that one.. maybe not today but in the near future! |
| 17:00 | jcamins | chris_n: what? |
| 17:00 | chris_n | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]90c;hb=HEAD#l3802 |
| 17:02 | jcamins | Double ouch! |
| 17:02 | owen | ? |
| 17:03 | chris_n | gmcharlt:? |
| 17:04 | gmcharlt | chris_n: not sure what you're driving at |
| 17:05 | chris_n | the db version breaks updatedatabase.pl i think |
| 17:05 | brendan | heh - I think you mean the 1 vs. a 2 |
| 17:06 | jcamins | Also the XXX instead of a real number. |
| 17:06 | gmcharlt | chris_n: so it does - I was kinda expecting that chris would set the version number - the 3.01.... is no doubt my goof, but leaving it at a XXX version is his :) |
| 17:06 | brendan | gmcharlt has been typing 3.01 too much ;) |
| 17:06 | chris_n | a poor person on the list is having trouble |
| 17:06 | gmcharlt | and running HEAD? |
| 17:07 | chris_n | hehe |
| 17:07 | some are born for trouble you konw | |
| 17:07 | know, even | |
| 17:08 | * gmcharlt | turns on the bat signal for chris |
| 17:08 | chris_n | @later tell chris this probably should be fixed http://tinyurl.com/2ct9foq :-) |
| 17:08 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:09 | chris_n | now... to help that unwitting victim |
| 17:10 | brendan | I like the addition of hudson - who did that? |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | brendan: btw, it should actually be 3.03.00... |
| 17:10 | brendan: chris did | |
| 17:10 | brendan | ah right |
| 17:10 | cool I probably missed that at some point - but thanks chris - cool ;) | |
| 17:11 | well gmcharlt we need to get in the practice of writting 3.03 now - I usually type the previous years date for the whole month of janurary | |
| 17:11 | chris_n | too bad hudson can't test updatedatabase.pl |
| 17:12 | brendan | but usually that happens more doing odd years and even years I don't have the problem |
| 17:12 | mib_mike | So guys, any idea why borrowernumber would suddenly become undefined after an upgrade? |
| 17:12 | gmcharlt | chris_n: easy enough to write a test case, actually - just grep the version strings and squawk if a XXX one is left in |
| 17:13 | jcamins | Also, check that version numbers increase. |
| 17:13 | mib_mike | I'm also getting Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 488. which points to $param->{'offset'} being undefined. |
| 17:14 | jcamins | 38060000035360 |
| 17:14 | Sorry, wrong window. | |
| 17:16 | mib_mike: are you using the OPACNotPublic patch? | |
| 17:16 | mib_mike | I didn't intentionally apply an OPACNotPublic patch. |
| 17:17 | We want our opac to be public. | |
| 17:20 | Interestingly enough, if I do a title search from my personal details page, I can see that my Patron Number is defined, but I still get the uniititialized borrowernumber error in the log. | |
| 17:21 | I do get search results, though. | |
| 17:22 | chris | pushed a fix |
| 17:22 | for the xxx | |
| 17:23 | jcamins | mib_mike: you would've had to do it intentionally. The reason I asked is that my line numbers match yours, and I have extra code from that patch. |
| 17:23 | Apparently it doesn't change the line numbers. | |
| 17:23 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Updating version number and fixing the xxx in updatedatabase ... my bad <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]59bd7fa5f7c516ba0> |
| 17:26 | jcamins | mib_mike: do you have cookies disabled? |
| 17:26 | mib_mike | jcamins: No my cookies are on. |
| 17:26 | By the way, it doesn't matter if I'm logged in or not. | |
| 17:26 | jcamins | I'm out of ideas, then. |
| 17:27 | mib_mike | Also, some searches return results, others return 404 pages, but there doesn't seem to be a difference in the logs. |
| 17:29 | chris | sounds to me like you need to do a rebuild_zebra.pl with -r |
| 17:29 | mib_mike | Sorry, that's wrong. Searches that end in 404's have log errors of uninitialized value $biblionumber |
| 17:30 | O.K. I'll rebuild zebra. | |
| 17:30 | jcamins: how can I definitively know if the OPACNotPublic patch has been applied. | |
| 17:31 | jcamins | mib_mike: if you didn't do it yourself after upgrading, and the upgrade worked, it's not applied. |
| 17:32 | And I just checked the git online, and it looks like the lines balance out. | |
| 17:32 | So that's not the problem. | |
| 17:32 | mib_mike | jcamins: O.K. Thanks guys. I'll see what rebuild does for me. |
| 17:34 | gmcharlt | chris: chris_n: just submitted a patch for that problem with the upgrade from 3.0.x reported on the mailng list |
| 17:36 | chris | ah yep, that looks like a good safe change, im gonna sign off on it and push it now, sooner we do, the less people will run into what martin has |
| 17:36 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 17:40 | chris_n: you probably want to cherry-pick that one, so it goes into 3.2.1 | |
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| 17:42 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:43 | chris | http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]ushed_4_November/ |
| 17:45 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4141: fix upgrade of OPAC XSLT parameters from 3.0.x <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ff951ed6567362e1f> |
| 17:47 | chris_n | tnx gmcharlt, I didn't have time atm |
| 17:47 | chris: will do in just a bit | |
| 17:48 | chris | hi cait :) |
| 17:48 | cait | hi chris :) |
| 17:48 | was tempted to write "good morning #koha" | |
| 17:49 | chris | heh |
| 17:51 | brendan | morning cait |
| 17:52 | cait | morning brendan :) |
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| 18:15 | chris_n | k, 3.2.x is fixed too |
| 18:17 | chris | cool |
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| 18:44 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 18:44 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (11:54 AM PDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:18 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
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| 19:19 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
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| 19:19 | cait | @wunder wellington |
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| 19:19 | cait | @wunder wellington nz |
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| 19:24 | chris_n | what an abuse of haiku :) |
| 19:25 | chris | you dont like them ? :-) |
| 19:27 | chris_n | oh, their fine... very fine |
| 19:27 | some of the more classic examples I'd say ;-) | |
| 19:27 | * cait | is confused |
| 19:27 | chris | hehe |
| 19:27 | chris_n | of what, I won't say :) |
| 19:28 | chris | http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]ushed_4_November/ |
| 19:28 | gotta make lists of patches fun somehow :) | |
| 19:29 | tcohen left #koha | |
| 19:29 | * chris_n | thinks their hilarious and break up the monotony |
| 19:29 | chris_n | they're, even |
| 19:32 | jcamins | lol! |
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| 19:35 | cait | hm |
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| 20:08 | richard | hi |
| 20:09 | walter joined #koha | |
| 20:10 | brendan | hi richard |
| 20:10 | richard | hiya brendan |
| 20:10 | walter | looks like logbot is still going |
| 20:11 | chris | not the katipo logbot, its a new one |
| 20:11 | (well about 1.5 years old) | |
| 20:11 | walter | ah |
| 20:11 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today |
| 20:11 | walter | is the katipo one still to be restarted or has it been scrapped |
| 20:12 | * walter | will update the katipo documentation if it is to be scrapped |
| 20:12 | owen left #koha | |
| 20:12 | walter | richard, do you know? |
| 20:13 | richard | i don't know |
| 20:13 | haven't seen it going | |
| 20:13 | walter | yeah, doesn't look like it was running |
| 20:15 | chris | i dont think its been running for ages |
| 20:15 | since 2007 | |
| 20:15 | walter | cool, i'll update the documentation, thanks |
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| 20:17 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]-New-ZealandCelia |
| 20:17 | US secretary of state lands in nz, with stupid amounts of security | |
| 20:17 | mayor of wellington rides her bicycle to the airport to meet her | |
| 20:17 | richard | i wonder who the Celia from the URL is |
| 20:17 | ah | |
| 20:17 | chris | :) |
| 20:17 | The welcome party also included Wellington mayor Celia Wade-Brown, who arrived at the terminal at 4.55am on her bicycle. | |
| 20:18 | gotta love that :) | |
| 20:18 | walter | i walked into town yesterday, she biked by |
| 20:18 | yep | |
| 20:18 | very cool | |
| 20:22 | jcamins | schuster: bringing up the R-acronym. Brave. |
| 20:23 | chris | lets form a committee on forming committees about forming committees |
| 20:23 | cait | aw |
| 20:23 | rhcl_away | meta-committee? |
| 20:23 | rhcl_away is now known as rhcl | |
| 20:23 | cait | can I be on the commitee to decide about this idea? |
| 20:23 | rhcl | is it common to use both carp and warn together? |
| 20:23 | chris | yes |
| 20:24 | rhcl | yes to cait or me? |
| 20:24 | jcamins | rhcl: Oy vey. If you don't drink your milk, you will develop sciatica. |
| 20:24 | rhcl: so, yes. | |
| 20:24 | chris | well cait needs to apply to the commitee for deciding who can apply to committees |
| 20:25 | but yes to your mixing warn and carp | |
| 20:25 | its quite common | |
| 20:25 | they do the same thing, carp just usually has better messages | |
| 20:25 | rhcl | so we need to warn cait about carp drinking milk? |
| 20:25 | * walter | wanders off |
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| 20:26 | chris | we could make more use of cluck |
| 20:26 | when developing | |
| 20:26 | which gives a nice stackbacktrace | |
| 20:26 | cait | lol |
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| 20:27 | chris | but either way, they should all be disabled in production |
| 20:27 | rhcl | I'm taking notes... |
| 20:27 | chris | carping because we hit an error is bad bad practice |
| 20:27 | rhcl | so what about croak? |
| 20:27 | chris | doing it during development so you can learn about the error and handle it is fine |
| 20:28 | croak has its place, croaking becuase we cant get a database handle for instance | |
| 20:28 | thats a pretty fatal error | |
| 20:28 | but we should still trap that error and give the user a better error message | |
| 20:29 | jcamins | cait: yay! I'm glad to hear you have your suitcase back. |
| 20:29 | rhcl | but it would be wrong to associate croak with an exception handler? |
| 20:29 | chris | nope |
| 20:29 | you could do | |
| 20:29 | rhcl | ...or think of croak as like an exception handler.... |
| 20:29 | chris | eval { something that might croak } |
| 20:29 | if ($@){ | |
| 20:29 | handle the error nicely | |
| 20:29 | } | |
| 20:30 | yeah its not an execption handler, its throwing a fatal error, and giving the developer enough info to hopefully be able to fix the error | |
| 20:30 | cait | jcamins: me too :) first load is in the washing machine now |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Time to close up. |
| 20:33 | Good night, #koha | |
| 20:33 | rhcl | night |
| 20:33 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 20:39 | schuster | OK you bullys... I see my name and thoughts getting canned... I can take it just wondering what we are going to do about it. I don't know enough about it personally so a committee of one can handle it but it won't be me. |
| 20:39 | RDA - blah... | |
| 20:40 | chris | im unlikely to invest any energy on it, until someone asks for it |
| 20:41 | schuster | I understand that but we need to figure out what we need to ask for don't we? |
| 20:41 | chris | yes, you do :) |
| 20:41 | brendan | heh chris - committees on committees (I remember those days when I worked in a library - so many committees - but it a great excuse to get out of the office) |
| 20:41 | schuster | the problem is I don't know what to ask for so that was why I suggested a committee of smarter people than I come together to help figure it out. |
| 20:41 | chris | you need to decide what you want it to actually do, and describe that in terms a human can understand |
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| 20:42 | chris | because RDA at the moment is like saying 'STUFF' |
| 20:42 | someone needs to define what they actually want | |
| 20:43 | schuster | Yep... I was just going to say you want me to take that slide from Ian's presentation and send it to you? That's stuff - so again a group of individuals figuring out what we want/need would be helpful. |
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| 20:43 | chris | i was at ians presentation |
| 20:44 | sure, but they can do that without forming a committee | |
| 20:44 | schuster | This morning a thought I had about comments owen had a great suggestion that I hadn't thought about so I tried to put it into the wiki as an RFC - let's not talk about the trouble I had with that... |
| 20:44 | ok then call the "group" whatever you want to call it - I called it a committee. | |
| 20:45 | chris | im not gonna call it anything :) |
| 20:45 | when someone can describe what they want added, id be happy to code it | |
| 20:45 | schuster | OK friends! have a great day! I'm off maybe to an american 5 year old football scrimmage! |
| 20:45 | American football that is... | |
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| 20:52 | brendan | so are there any foreigners (from kohacon) still in NZ? |
| 20:52 | chris | nate |
| 20:53 | i think the engards leave today? | |
| 20:53 | lee | |
| 20:53 | is in christchurch | |
| 20:53 | and i think slef leaves today | |
| 20:57 | brendan | ah biblibre's leave yet? |
| 20:58 | chris | yep |
| 20:58 | this morning | |
| 20:59 | bbiab | |
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| 21:38 | brendan | Ah Nate's engaged!!! |
| 21:38 | Nate++ | |
| 21:42 | cait | grats Nate :) |
| 21:42 | brendan | yeah that's fun |
| 22:02 | mib_mike | Hi guys |
| 22:03 | I'm having trouble with zebra reindexing | |
| 22:03 | It looks like I've got some bad marc in my database. | |
| 22:03 | Is there an easy way to find out which records are choking my zebra? | |
| 22:07 | robin | There's no nice way I've found. |
| 22:07 | You might be able to get away with using -x to try using the XML stuff instead. | |
| 22:07 | mib_mike | Thanks robin. I'll give that a try |
| 22:07 | robin | But zebra has a bad habit of exploding when it sees one dodgy record. |
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| 22:08 | mib_mike | It's not the explosion that bothers me so much it's the not knowing why. |
| 22:10 | magnus | kia ora, #koha! |
| 22:11 | brendan | hey magnus |
| 22:11 | robin | I have done it by tracking down the record from the byte counts, but it was quite tricky and took a while. |
| 22:12 | magnus | hi brendan |
| 22:13 | robin | magnus: mōrena |
| 22:13 | magnus | hiya robin |
| 22:13 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
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