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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:21 | paul_p | chris ? |
| 00:27 | chris | sorry was talking, yes? |
| 00:31 | ive printed those emails, ... so you can grab them from my desk | |
| 00:59 | paul_p | chris, do you have received the 2nd boarding pass ? |
| 00:59 | chris | yep, printed off |
| 00:59 | at my desk | |
| 00:59 | paul_p | ok, coming to get it, thx |
| 01:17 | chris, http://www.maitre-eolas.fr/pos[…]y-comme-on-l-aime could be interesting ;-) | |
| 01:19 | chris | :) |
| 01:19 | rach | hello |
| 01:19 | robin | paul_p: but it's all written in funny moon words :) |
| 01:20 | russ | paul_p: that is an epic try |
| 01:21 | paul_p | robin, lol ;-) it's just a rugby game that was ended ... if the yellow team (that was winning) shoot the ball outside of the field. but ... a 3rd try could be scored, giving them the "bonus point" for 3 try... |
| 01:21 | and they did | |
| 01:21 | yep, epic is the word ! | |
| 01:21 | * rach | wonders how many people are still in town hacking? |
| 01:22 | paul_p | ian, hdl, me & mason |
| 01:22 | (3rd floor of catalyst) | |
| 01:28 | rach | Would you guys like to come over for a (simple) dinner tonight or tommorrow night? |
| 01:32 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5162' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e591d7133e09bff20> / bug 5162: follow-up patch to not clear hidden input setting attribute type <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3c764ce2fa338ef7a> / Fix for Bug 5162, patron attributes 'new' link should create blank value <http://gi |
| 01:40 | paul_p | rach, we already have a dinner planned with nengard & some other ppl |
| 01:40 | (for tonight) | |
| 01:41 | rach, for tomorrow, nothing planned yet, so your proposal would be gratefully accepted ! | |
| 01:45 | richard | paul_p: rach has had to shoot off |
| 01:45 | i'll leave a stickie on her monitor | |
| 01:45 | wasabi | http://search.cpan.org/~jhi/Gr[…].94/lib/Graph.pod |
| 01:45 | paul_p | richard, thanks |
| 01:57 | rach | Cool paul |
| 02:01 | sekjal | got an initial .png of the C4 Perl interdependencies |
| 02:01 | want to share, but it's too kinda huge | |
| 02:02 | robin | sekjal: can you output as PDF? |
| 02:02 | sekjal | will try that instead |
| 02:02 | robin | also more likely to be useful with scaling |
| 02:04 | sekjal | much better |
| 02:04 | http://174.143.236.27/wp-conte[…]10/11/C4dep-2.pdf | |
| 02:05 | gmcharlt | wheeee! |
| 02:05 | sekjal++ | |
| 02:05 | * robin | notes that C4::ClassSortRoutine 'use's itself. |
| 02:06 | sekjal | some of the self-deps are because of POD |
| 02:06 | robin | oh ah |
| 02:06 | sekjal | my script isn't smart enough to know when to ignore 'use C4::<blah>' when it's in the doc |
| 02:07 | jcamins | That's terrifying. |
| 02:07 | sekjal | 218 files |
| 02:07 | 350 something edges | |
| 02:07 | robin | if you want to make a more awesome one, have one that figures out which dependencies aren't actually used by the code :) |
| 02:08 | sekjal | perhaps I can play with that on the plane |
| 02:08 | robin | :) |
| 02:08 | chris | gmcharlt: did you see this? http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]s/heads/git-hooks |
| 02:08 | the last 2 commits | |
| 02:08 | sekjal | I'd thought it would be readable enough for a person to find cycles, but that would be more work than writing another script |
| 02:09 | gmcharlt | chris: looks good |
| 02:09 | chris | it mostly even works |
| 02:09 | gmcharlt | a pre-commit hook that runs the entire test suite would be nice, if too impratical to actually use |
| 02:10 | chris | ahh yeah thats what i started with |
| 02:10 | this one will run any tests that start with 00 | |
| 02:10 | which at this point is just the one test | |
| 02:10 | but any we deem critical, if you name them 00-something.t | |
| 02:10 | they will get run | |
| 02:12 | gmcharlt | sekjal: you may find this of interest for mark II: http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/[…]-1.213/lib/PPI.pm |
| 02:14 | sekjal | gmcharlt: very promising, thank you |
| 02:15 | my script to generate the .dot file this is built from doesn't use many modules (just GetOpt::Long) | |
| 02:16 | I could try to do more with ranking, too, though that would involve changing it to a hash-based implementation, likely | |
| 02:18 | okay, with that small success under my belt, time to go out and enjoy the sunshine | |
| 02:19 | chris | :) |
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| 02:20 | sekjal | oh, that was disappointing.... I wanted to say hi to pianohack |
| 02:20 | oh well | |
| 02:20 | time to see what I can see up Mt. Victoria | |
| 02:20 | robin | sekjal: a lot, generally |
| 02:21 | sekjal | is the Weathertop site easy to find? |
| 02:21 | robin | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi[…]on_City_Night.jpg <-- this is from Mt Vic |
| 02:21 | not sure, never actually looked, despite the fact that I live half way up the street that it's apparently at the top of. | |
| 02:21 | jcamins | Should the non-English SQL files be in English? |
| 02:22 | That seems... odd. | |
| 02:23 | chris | which file? |
| 02:23 | jcamins | The French MARC21 framework. |
| 02:24 | chris | ah yes |
| 02:24 | because no one in france uses MARC21 | |
| 02:24 | they didnt bother to translate it | |
| 02:24 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 02:24 | So that's okay then. | |
| 02:24 | chris | i think for fr-CA |
| 02:24 | pastebot | "sekjal" at 202.78.240.10 pasted "My rather naive code for generating the graph's .dot file source" (124 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/87 |
| 02:24 | chris | it would need to be translated |
| 02:25 | robin | they use FRAC, named after BSG. |
| 02:25 | sekjal: use strict; use warnings; :) | |
| 02:25 | jcamins | Phooey, that means I need to find out how to say "Fussnote zu biografischen oder historischen Daten" in French. |
| 02:25 | sekjal | robin: yeah, yeah |
| 02:26 | jcamins | chris: fr-CA is missing from my git clone. |
| 02:26 | sekjal | also got to get around the hardcoding of the $dir |
| 02:26 | jcamins | Is this a problem? |
| 02:27 | sekjal | alright, I'm out. good <localtime>, #koha |
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| 02:27 | chris | nope, they just havent ever got round to translating |
| 02:28 | paul_p | jcamins, I confirm what chris says, except that a few marc21 libraries exist in France. At least one of them is looking at Koha atm. so we could be interesed in marc21 in french next year (not before, and maybe in 2012, it's a long term project) |
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| 02:29 | jcamins | paul_p: if I don't have to figure out what the 545 field is called in French, I see that as a good thing. ;) |
| 02:29 | Argh! My helpful cheatsheet for Polish doesn't list 545. | |
| 02:30 | ray | good day! can a user print card catalogs using koha? |
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| 02:31 | jcamins | chris: if I can't translate into Polish, is it better to leave it in English, or not add it to the framework? |
| 02:31 | chris | the former |
| 02:31 | jcamins | Okay, that's what I thought. |
| 02:32 | Guess I don't need to worry about Russian or Ukrainian. | |
| 02:38 | chris: if I want to rebase on master before I commit my changes, I can run git stash && git rebase && git stash pop? | |
| 02:38 | I always get confused by this. | |
| 02:39 | chris | yes you can |
| 02:39 | git stash | |
| 02:39 | git rebase | |
| 02:39 | git stash apply | |
| 02:39 | jcamins | Ah, git stash apply. |
| 02:40 | robin | pop == apply |
| 02:40 | chris | apply takes an argument, you can have lots of things stashed |
| 02:40 | but if you leave the argument off its the same as pop | |
| 02:40 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 02:41 | robin | not according to the docs :) |
| 02:41 | git stash ( pop | apply ) [--index] [-q|--quiet] [<stash>] | |
| 02:41 | /pedantic | |
| 02:41 | chris | Like pop, but do not remove the state from the stash list. |
| 02:41 | its not the same | |
| 02:42 | /pedantic more | |
| 02:42 | robin | I would have gotten away with it too, if not for your pesky reading! |
| 02:42 | chris | hehe |
| 02:43 | jcamins | How do I find out what language it is, so I can put the correct label in for the German? |
| 02:44 | Oh, I guess we don't do that. | |
| 02:44 | We really should. | |
| 02:44 | chris | find uot what language what is? |
| 02:44 | jcamins | What language the database is in. |
| 02:45 | I'm writing the patch for bug 5226 | |
| 02:45 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC21 field 545 missing |
| 02:45 | chris | ah ok |
| 02:45 | jcamins | The label for German is actually translated. |
| 02:48 | Ooh, bug in systempreferences.pl. | |
| 02:49 | If you change something and hit "Save," it refreshes to the wrong screen. | |
| 02:58 | My patch is corrupted, and I can't figure out why. | |
| 02:59 | There's a line "\ No newline at end of file" | |
| 03:01 | robin | jcamins: that's fine |
| 03:01 | it just means that there's no newline at the end of the file | |
| 03:01 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 03:01 | I can ignore it then? | |
| 03:01 | robin | it's a hint to the patch system |
| 03:01 | yep | |
| 03:02 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5243: avoid crash when saving authority records on certain setups <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7ec66884915544663> |
| 03:02 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 03:03 | The indent is messed up on this patch. Do I need to resend? | |
| 03:03 | chris | 2 branches waiting for colin to do QA on now |
| 03:03 | * chris | has nearly caught up on the patches from the last few days |
| 03:07 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 03:07 | chris++ | |
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| 03:13 | jcamins | Is there any way to remove patches from a branch? |
| 03:13 | robin | jcamins: revert? |
| 03:13 | it applies a reverse patch | |
| 03:14 | jcamins | Will it work for patches in the middle of the history? |
| 03:14 | robin | yep |
| 03:14 | jcamins | Actually, better idea: I'll cherry-pick the patches I want into a new branch. |
| 03:14 | robin | that's also an option :) |
| 03:14 | although I'd usually just revert | |
| 03:15 | given I squash them before I upstream anyway, the pair vanish | |
| 03:16 | Amit | heya robin |
| 03:16 | robin | hello |
| 03:28 | jcamins | Okay, time for some sleep. |
| 03:28 | Good night, #koha | |
| 03:28 | robin | bye |
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| 03:37 | chris | hi ronald |
| 03:37 | ronald | hi |
| 03:37 | am back in the solomons | |
| 03:37 | chris | made it back home safe :) |
| 03:37 | ronald | yap |
| 03:38 | still preparing my report for my boss | |
| 03:38 | chris | ahhh |
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| 03:49 | wasabi | http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=847327 |
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| 04:08 | wasabi | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw |
| 04:08 | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]oha.git;a=summary | |
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| 04:25 | brendan | evening |
| 04:25 | chris | ok, time to head out, paul_p and hdl you ready? |
| 04:26 | brendan | later all have a good night |
| 04:26 | Amit | heya brendan |
| 04:26 | brendan | hi amit |
| 04:26 | paul_p | chris, me yes, hdl not yet, needs a few mn |
| 04:26 | chris | ahh, well i will have to go, or i will get in trouble with my wife .. is someone there to lock up for you? |
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| 04:32 | Genji | same office yet you comm over Irc? |
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| 04:36 | Genji | hmm... someone turned off the router? |
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| 07:26 | ivanc | good morning #koha |
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| 07:55 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5192 Enhancement to add new index for 658 curriculum field <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2e6c9fdf4be6ed169> |
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| 11:19 | markk | good morning all |
| 11:23 | i'm a little confused about the Barcode in koha ... should it auto-increment right as stated? bcuz when i add an item it gives me the same barcode starting with 1 and it doesn't increment!! in this case i get an error that the barcode is already in use!! should i edit it manually every time i insert a new item? | |
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| 11:44 | wasabi | markk: depends on your barcode syspref, |
| 11:45 | is it set to auto-incr, etc… | |
| 11:45 | http://www.randombugs.com/linu[…]l-benchmarks.html | |
| 11:45 | markk | its set to hbyymmincr |
| 11:48 | wasabi | http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL |
| 11:49 | hmm, pass then | |
| 11:49 | markk | :) 10x for ur help |
| 11:50 | wasabi | np, try upgrading to 3.2 , see if the problem remains |
| 11:51 | markk | i have a 3.2 in virtual .. i'll give it a try |
| 11:54 | wasabi | nice one ;) |
| 12:01 | markk | in 3.2 there's another weird thing happening ... if i add the barcode to an item and save, a box appears above with the items in it ... in the column entitled <Total Holds> it contains THE barcode! is it normal ? plus the barcode number doesn't increment upon adding a new item too !! |
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| 12:05 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 12:05 | markk | good morning jcamins |
| 12:08 | owen | paul_p++ # for suggesting we ditch YUI |
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| 12:12 | markk | owen, jcamins : do you have any idea about the auto-increment of the barcode behaving weirdly? |
| 12:13 | not incrementing while adding new item to be more specific | |
| 12:13 | jcamins | markk: there's a syspref to enable auto-increment. |
| 12:13 | markk | yes i set it to hbyymmincr |
| 12:13 | in 3.0.6 | |
| 12:13 | owen | markk: So when you're populating the "add item" form the auto-incremented barcode doesn't appear in the barcode field when you click it? |
| 12:13 | markk | and test it in 3.2 with hbyymmincr and 1-2-3 |
| 12:14 | it appears in the text box, but if i already added an item with barcode 1, the new one takes 1 as well as its barcode | |
| 12:15 | in 3.0.6 it give an error about duplicate barcode | |
| 12:15 | in 3.2 it just add it | |
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| 12:16 | kmkale | hi all |
| 12:16 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 12:16 | kmkale | hi jcamins |
| 12:20 | owen | markk: I just tested adding items in 3.0.x with autobarcode set to hbyymmincr |
| 12:21 | The first item I added got the barcode "APL10110001" | |
| 12:21 | The second one I added got "APL10111001" | |
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| 12:23 | markk | mmmm so should the issue reside in the mysql configuration? should the mysql auto-increment the value or the "barcodesGenerator.pl"/ "additem.pl" ? |
| 12:24 | owen | I don't think anything happens in mysql |
| 12:24 | The plugin script generates the next value, and Javascript populates the form field | |
| 12:24 | AFAIK | |
| 12:25 | markk | on what platform are you running koha? |
| 12:29 | owen | Ubuntu |
| 12:29 | 10.04 LTS (via VirtualBox) | |
| 12:30 | markk | is it from the kohalivecd ? |
| 12:30 | owen | No |
| 12:34 | chris_n | ditch_yui++ # /me jumps on the bandwagon |
| 12:34 | jcamins | I don't know anything about it, but it sounds like a good thing. |
| 12:34 | chris_n | this is one bandwagon you want to be on jcamins... believe me |
| 12:34 | owen | The alternative, upgrading YUI, would probably be harder |
| 12:34 | However, I think we should still stick with the YUI grid | |
| 12:35 | chris_n | owen: what do you think about my suggestion regarding a fail over mechanism if we keep the external source option? |
| 12:35 | markk | seems like the kohalivecd have a problem with barcode auto-increment .. i tried it in koha 3.0.6 that i installed on ubuntu 8.04 hardy heron and it works perfectly!! |
| 12:35 | owen | I think the most we can expect for jquery is a CDN source for the core jquery library, and that's tiny |
| 12:36 | I don't think we need to provide an external source. | |
| 12:36 | chris_n | owen: if we keep any aspect of yui, however, such a mechanism would be nice for times when the source was unavailable for whatever reason |
| 12:37 | owen | markk: Are you clicking in the barcode field to populate it? |
| 12:37 | markk | owen: yep |
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| 12:39 | jcamins | owen: what does the YUI grid offer that jquery (or other things) do not? |
| 12:40 | owen | The YUI grid system is all CSS. jquery is all javascript. So there's no functional intersection |
| 12:40 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 12:44 | owen | chris_n: Maybe I spoke to soon about the CDN. I wasn't considering the JqueryUI dependencies. |
| 12:49 | * owen | starts looking for where in Koha we can use JqueryUI's "explode" effect... |
| 12:50 | jcamins | "explode" effect? |
| 12:50 | owen | http://jqueryui.com/demos/effect/ |
| 12:50 | jcamins | Wow! |
| 12:50 | That's nifty! | |
| 13:02 | owen | I think this is really nifty, an upcoming feature in jqueryUI: http://jquery-ui.googlecode.co[…]g-menu/index.html |
| 13:02 | Check out the ipod-style menu w/breadcrumb | |
| 13:03 | Looks like that's scheduled for jqueryUI version 1.9, and they're on 1.8.5 now. That's good news for us. | |
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| 13:11 | owen | Hi cait, back home? |
| 13:11 | cait | yep |
| 13:11 | but suitcase not | |
| 13:11 | :( | |
| 13:12 | owen | On its way, I hope? |
| 13:12 | cait | I have no idea |
| 13:12 | I have a number I can call later | |
| 13:13 | sorry, I am sooo tired and need a shower | |
| 13:15 | owen | Then you're in the wrong place :) |
| 13:15 | cait | yep, but they gave me a number and a link - hope to get information about suitcase |
| 13:17 | TRACING CONTINUES. PLEASE CHECK BACK LATER | |
| 13:18 | :( | |
| 13:23 | * cait | wishes she was still in NZ |
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| 13:38 | kmkale | bye all |
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| 13:39 | jcamins | cait! |
| 13:39 | You made it back to Germany! | |
| 13:39 | Welcome back to Germany. ;) | |
| 13:42 | reva | hi good morning. I have a couple of questions regarding import/export. When I save bib records from online catalogs, they have different file extensions: .cgi, .do and even .txt (this .txt is a little different as it is eye-readable only partially). Koha imports them fine and the records are proper good ones. |
| 13:43 | But I have to save and import each record by itself. Is there a way to append the different file types together and do them in batches? | |
| 13:44 | I mean stage and import them in batches. | |
| 13:45 | cait | hi jcamins and thx :) |
| 13:46 | gmcharlt | reva: if you have access to a linux server, you can use the cat command to put them together |
| 13:47 | jcamins | cait: how was your trip? |
| 13:47 | I mean, travel-wise. | |
| 13:47 | I already know that NZ was awesome. | |
| 13:47 | cait | yep, nz was awesome |
| 13:47 | the travel back was very good, until I arrived in zürich at baggage claim | |
| 13:48 | I had a feeling it had been to smooth until then :( | |
| 13:48 | reva | Thanks, gmcharlt. I know to catanate. But do I have to con catanate and pipe the files by file types? |
| 13:48 | gmcharlt | if the files are all actually MARC blog files, you can just put them all together |
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| 13:48 | reva | Because some of them are .cgi and some .do. |
| 13:49 | jcamins | cait: I'm sure they'll find your luggage and send it to you. |
| 13:49 | If you're lucky they'll even do that within a few days. | |
| 13:49 | reva | I do not know what MARc blog files are. These come from various online catalogs where they let you save them as Raw MARC. |
| 13:49 | cait | reva: I think you can ignore the file endings, they are not really correct |
| 13:49 | jcamins | And not tell you that it'll be delivered at 2 in the morning and then decide not to deliver it after all. |
| 13:50 | cait | jcamins: that's the problem - near to all my clothes are in there and I have a presentation on thursday :( |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Oh no! |
| 13:50 | reva | Ok. Thanks cait.(FYI, the .sav ones do not even stage; but the other extensions do fine.) |
| 13:50 | cait | and a library visiting for a presentation on friday |
| 13:51 | * owen | knows jcamins' 2AM comment to be true from experience |
| 13:51 | jcamins | Do you know anyone who wears the same size clothes you do? |
| 13:51 | cait | noe |
| 13:51 | nope | |
| 13:51 | jcamins | That's too bad. |
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| 13:51 | cait | and go to the city and buy new things is not an option, bcause of my size :( |
| 13:53 | reva | There is a Koha 3.2 Live CD out and I am hoping to install it and transfer our bib and item records into it. Could anyone point me to a link where there are instructions (command line is fine) for the backup/export and import records into the upgraded version? |
| 13:53 | bigbrovar | Hi guys I setup koha 3.0.6 on our school with the aim of getting a hang on koha, marc and LMS generally. I have been able to setup a working koha system now and succesfully migrated 90% of our catalog records into koha. With the release of version 3.2.0 I am considering tiring down all I have done (I have our catalog in marc backed up btw) and setting up a new koha based on 3.2 and on debian (the current 3.06 is running on ubuntu 8.04) |
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| 13:57 | bigbrovar | is 3.2.0 really worth the upgrade? or do I stick to 3.0.6? is it stable enough for production deployment? the idea was to use 3.2.0 for our koha system but I was using 3.0.6 to get a hand on things which I think I have been able to do. |
| 13:57 | jcamins | bigbrovar: I would think that 3.2 is worth the upgrade. It will be updated for much longer than 3.0. |
| 13:58 | owen | bigbrovar: Libraries have been using 3.2 since even before the official release |
| 13:58 | reva | Also, I am trying out installing 3.2 from scratch in Virtual Box. I have used the synaptic package manager and installed mysql server and apache 2 http server. When I do a search for Perl module too many listings come up. Do I pick them all to install? If not which ones do I select? |
| 13:58 | bigbrovar | Thanks. is there a debian package somewhere I can use or do I have to compile from source? and which debian release is recommended |
| 13:59 | jcamins | bigbrovar: there is indeed a package. |
| 13:59 | I will find the link for you, if someone else doesn't first. | |
| 13:59 | bigbrovar: http://debian.koha-community.org/ | |
| 14:00 | reva | bigbrovar, go to http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ for a Live CD of 3.2. He has all the modules compiled and for me it is painless. |
| 14:00 | jcamins | bigbrovar: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:00 | bigbrovar | jcamins: awesome |
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| 14:00 | reva | sorry jcamin. Did not mean to preempt Koha-Community site.:) |
| 14:01 | ivanc | hi cait, I'm sorry to read as above ... |
| 14:01 | cait | ivanc: at least I am here in time :) |
| 14:01 | so, it could be worse. | |
| 14:01 | ivanc | :) |
| 14:02 | reva | In my Virtual Box install, debian boots; but there is a message saying kernel failure. But everything seems to be working fine. Anyone what that could be? |
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| 14:05 | reva | Can anyone tell me which perl modules I should pick to install? I am using the synaptic package manager. |
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| 14:06 | jcamins | reva: I would suggest following the installation instructions. |
| 14:07 | reva | jcamins, I thought I could first install what the package manager can do, and then use cpan as instructed for the rest. |
| 14:08 | owen | reva: I would also suggest following the installation instructions |
| 14:08 | jcamins | reva: if you follow the instructions, you will end up with a working Koha installation. |
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| 14:09 | reva | Ok, so I am not to use the package manager, I see. Will follow instructions. After all it is in Virtual Box and I can learn. Also, is there a link for the commands for backup/export and reimport (into an upgraded Koha) all the bib and item records? |
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| 14:27 | owen | I would think it would be easier to install 3.0.x on the new system, import the old database, and then upgrade? |
| 14:30 | jcamins | owen: wouldn't it work to just import the database, then run the web installer? |
| 14:31 | owen | I don't know, I've never done it. |
| 14:31 | So: Install 3.2, import the old database, run web installer? | |
| 14:32 | jcamins | I think so. |
| 14:32 | I've never done it either, but I think that's what I'd try. | |
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| 14:50 | schuster | I've done that with upgrades of 3.0x - but I am not sure about the transfer from 3.0x - 3.2. |
| 14:50 | Good test though of the "public" upgrade option. | |
| 14:51 | Something I need to work on with my "play" system, but haven't had time. | |
| 14:51 | owen - I have a question about the new "template::toolkit" | |
| 14:52 | How will that impact the current opac layout design? I'm still playing with the "visual search" with the canned search options, but don't want to get too far into that and find out it won't work with 3.4+ | |
| 14:52 | janPasi | Hi #koha! |
| 14:52 | jcamins | schuster: chris has a script that will translate the current template system into Template::Toolkit. |
| 14:53 | owen | schuster: It will only impact the current opac design if someone decides to redesign the opac. No one has indicated plans to do so. |
| 15:02 | markk | guys .. does anyone know why installing phpmyadmin via synaptic breaks the connection to koha? it autoconfigured the apache and couldn't access the opac nor the staff page!! redid the steps in the INSTALL file about apache configuration but didn't succeed!! |
| 15:03 | owen | markk: It probably messed with your apache virtualhosts |
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| 15:13 | schuster | owen - in your designing process - have you used much creative commons? I'm trying to think of the best way to "provide attribution" for the photos I want to use with the kids search. |
| 15:14 | jcamins | chris_n++ # good ideas |
| 15:14 | chris_n: don't we already have a policy that only code that people agree is a good idea gets included in master? | |
| 15:14 | owen | schuster: No I haven't. And "provide attribution" shouldn't be said it quotes, it should be said in a straightforward manner: Provide attribution! |
| 15:15 | schuster | I'm going to try and get what I have completed up for you to take a peek at and give some feedback on making it better. We've built some java around it so that we can get to the local holdings display we are using currently to limit by location. Sorry - as a Librarian we are all about doing it right. |
| 15:15 | owen | schuster: Koha at large uses the "about" page to provide attribution. You might consider setting up a page you can link to |
| 15:15 | schuster | Provide attribution! |
| 15:17 | Interesting idea! I could possibly have an about page for each of the visual page that pretty much mimics the current one with the Attribution under the picture. Have to play with that and get some feedback... | |
| 15:17 | This had stalled a bit we had many other things going on - and the attribution piece had me stuck until I could figure out a way to do it. | |
| 15:18 | chris_n | jcamins: well... I think a qualified 'yes' is the answer, but a very clear, written restatement will serve to bring about a clearer accountability to that policy |
| 15:18 | schuster | With the java snippet we are using to create the location limit we think we can also add a link back to the virtual view - it's crude, but works. |
| 15:19 | hmmm thunder here - hope the UPS's are ready to keep charge! | |
| 15:19 | jcamins | chris_n: ah. Well, I understood that my code wasn't guaranteed a place in master unless it was good. |
| 15:20 | owen | I think in the past we've depended on the common sense of the RM more than anything |
| 15:21 | chris_n | jcamins: that is a good understanding and one we all should have and probably stand in need of being reminded of on occasion :-) |
| 15:22 | * chris_n | hopes this discussion will see good participation *and* be brought to a conclusion |
| 15:23 | jcamins | It would be nice if it were easier to figure out what to do with RFCs. |
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| 15:42 | chris_n | jcamins: yes, RFC101 would be nice |
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| 15:52 | eternalsw | I'm running build_browser_and_cloud and it says it inserts 2 records, but I check the browser table and it's empty. I am running the mysql database on a different machine. KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB are both set properly. Any ideas? |
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| 16:24 | reva | hi again, is the 830 (series entry added) display in 3.2. When I used it in 3.0.6, along with the 490 (series statement) it did not display. So had to use the obsolete 440 tag so that I can show the series title. |
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| 16:38 | reva | Hi I am on the line where I get the key for Index Data. I copied the command exactly as shown; but it is saying cannot write broken pipe. (I have already sudo (actuall su for me) to the root user. Is the command syntax at the end correct? |
| 16:42 | gmcharlt | reva: what are you pasting, exactly? |
| 16:45 | reva | no I am copuying. But the line looks funny as given towards the end. I cannot paste, as my clipboard is not integrated in the virtual box. (I have not run the guest additons.) |
| 16:45 | I meant I am keying the command in, gmcharlt | |
| 16:46 | I am following the instructions here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…];f=INSTALL.debian | |
| 16:48 | jcamins | reva: if you have already su-ed to root, take out the sudo. |
| 16:48 | reva | I removed the sudo (this debian does not like sudo at all) since I am already logged in as root. that seems to have done it now |
| 16:48 | Thanks:) | |
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| 16:56 | cait | suitcase still not found :( |
| 16:56 | going to bed | |
| 16:56 | good night all | |
| 16:57 | reva | gmcharlt, when I run this command apt-get install git-core git-email it said that some packages had unmet dependencies and gave the names of the perl modules that are not there in the library. |
| 16:58 | After that git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git koha debian says git command not found. | |
| 16:59 | that last line with the smiley was this command. I think it is because it has double slashes, your chat interpreter thought it was a smiley. | |
| 17:00 | jcamins | reva: you will need to describe the errors you get in more detail if you want help solving them. |
| 17:00 | *What* unmet dependencies? | |
| 17:03 | reva | jcamins: the first command to get Koha apt-get install git-core git-email, these are the unmet dependencies kiberror-perl but it is not installable; libdigest-shal-perl but it is not installable; Recommends: rsync, but it is not installable. E: Broken packages. I have reproduced the error exactly. |
| 17:04 | jcamins | reva: and all you have done on this system is step 1.1 and 1.2 from the instructions? |
| 17:05 | reva | the first unmet dependency is supposed to be liberror-perl, not kiberror-perl. |
| 17:05 | Exactly that is all as far as I got. I am just trying to download koha through the git repository. | |
| 17:06 | jcamins | And you ran apt-get update? |
| 17:07 | reva | Yes, that went fine (after I removed the sudo, as I am logged in as root.) |
| 17:07 | jcamins | What version of Debian did you install? |
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| 17:08 | reva | Infact, apt-get update fetched 181kb of all the security, volatile. |
| 17:08 | I am running the debian the stable version 5.06 | |
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| 17:09 | jcamins | That's very strange... this worked without any problems for me. |
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| 17:10 | reva | jcamins, I suppose I could use the tar.gz version and unpack it; but I wanted to do it all through debian. |
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| 17:11 | jcamins | Try running this command for me: apt-get upgrade && apt-get install git-core git-email |
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| 17:11 | mib_mike | Hi guys |
| 17:12 | jcamins | You don't have to have it run all the upgrades, I'm just curious what it will tell you. |
| 17:12 | mib_mike | Is there a method in koha to delete a bibrecord? |
| 17:12 | jcamins | mib_mike: yes. In the staff client, find the record, then click the "Edit" button and "Delete Record." |
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| 17:12 | jcamins | You have to delete all the items first. |
| 17:13 | mib_mike | Excellent. There isn't a "mass delete" though, is there? |
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| 17:13 | jcamins | I don't think so, no. |
| 17:13 | reva | Ok, I will.for the upgrade command I get 0 upgraded and 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.And I get the same errors about unment dependencies. |
| 17:14 | mib_mike | O.K. I guess I can look at the existing delete code and roll my own. |
| 17:14 | Can anyone explain to me the reasons for the "deletedxxx" databases? | |
| 17:14 | reva | is your git repository uptodat or has there been anything removed from there recently since you tried the installation, jcamin? |
| 17:15 | I meant jcamins, of course. | |
| 17:15 | jcamins | reva: the problem here is with your installation of Debian. |
| 17:15 | You still haven't managed to even install git. | |
| 17:15 | Wait. | |
| 17:15 | reva: do you have a working internet connection on your Virtual machine? | |
| 17:15 | reva | Yes, i know. And the installation went fine for the Debian itself. |
| 17:15 | Yes; I have a working internet connection. | |
| 17:16 | jcamins | Hm. |
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| 17:17 | jcamins | Try: apt-get install liberror-perl libdigest-sha1-perl |
| 17:17 | reva12 | you see jcamins, I am now reva12 from the debian |
| 17:18 | jcamins | Okay, just checking that wasn't the problem. |
| 17:18 | reva12 | No, I just let it install the desktop and standard windows and it went through with no complaints. I can log in fine. |
| 17:20 | I can just download the tar.gz from inside here. But is there an extractor in Debian? | |
| 17:21 | jcamins | tar zxvf $file |
| 17:21 | But I don't think this is going to solve your problems. | |
| 17:22 | It's worth a try, though. | |
| 17:22 | reva12 | ok, I see I use the command line to extract it. (But it still is puzzling about the git) |
| 17:22 | jcamins | The thing is, if you can't install git, you probably can't install other required packages. |
| 17:23 | At least, that would be my guess. | |
| 17:23 | reva12 | So what could be the problem? |
| 17:24 | jcamins | I have no idea. |
| 17:24 | As I said, when I installed Debian, it just worked for me. | |
| 17:24 | This is a Debian question. | |
| 17:24 | I would see if there's some sort of Debian forum you could ask for advice on. | |
| 17:26 | reva12 | It said "Could not install some packages" maybe the other git files for which the dependencies are there were installed. So I can try going to the next command and see. |
| 17:26 | Ok, I will try the Debian forum also. | |
| 17:29 | When I try the next command: git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git koha, it says git command not found. So it looks like it did not install any of the basic git files. | |
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| 17:31 | reva12 | Thanks jcamins. I can try installing the 3.2 Live CD I just downloaded. But I was hoping to learn something. |
| 17:31 | jcamins | Maybe the problem is export restrictions? |
| 17:32 | I noticed what failed is packages for encryption. | |
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| 17:35 | reva12 | jcamins: if you are addressing the last two comments to me, it seems to be a perl error module. But you would know best. |
| 17:35 | jcamins | reva12: yes, but the module that didn't work is libdigest-sha1-perl. |
| 17:35 | Something to do with encryption. | |
| 17:36 | I wouldn't have thought there would be a problem in Antigua and Barbuda, but what do I know about these things? ;) | |
| 17:36 | reva12 | Ok, encryption. has it to do with my end of things, I mean if it worked for you. And you also had lenny 5.0.6? |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 17:37 | reva12 | We are on British English, could that be? Of course I have no idea what a module on encryption have to do with Antigua and Barbuda downlaods. |
| 17:37 | jcamins | No idea. |
| 17:38 | reva12 | even liberror-perl was not installable, according to the message. |
| 17:39 | so let me download it directly and see if I can do the rest of the install. | |
| 17:45 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5301' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a1ce2a3c5b2091efc> / bug 5301: improve escaping of XML characters in bib output <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a7a881077169fc8e5> |
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| 17:46 | reva12 | Now I tried this: wget http://download.koha-cmmunity.[…]ha-3.02.00.tar.gz, it says: unable to resolve download.koha-community.org. |
| 17:47 | jcamins | reva12: make sure you're spelling it right. |
| 17:47 | If you are, the problem is that there's something wrong with your internet connection. | |
| 17:48 | mib_mike | reva12 did you set up a static IP or a dhcp client to get your ip number? |
| 17:51 | reva12 | I see I have missed the o in community; I have a sticky keyboard, honest. |
| 17:51 | ok, it is now doing it. | |
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| 18:00 | owen | Hello CGI586, do you have a question about Koha? |
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| 18:05 | owen | Hello CGI586111, do you have a question about Koha? |
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| 18:07 | mib_mike | Can anyone explain to me the reasons for the "deletedxxx" databases? |
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| 18:07 | chris | you mean tables mib_mike ? |
| 18:07 | thats because often when people delete things, they delete the wrong things | |
| 18:08 | and then ask for you to get them back | |
| 18:08 | mib_mike | So there is an "undelete" function somewhere? |
| 18:08 | chris | there was |
| 18:08 | but even without it, at least you can get them back from the db | |
| 18:08 | mib_mike | Thanks, chris |
| 18:09 | owen | Hi chris. Did the undelete disappear when MARC arrived? I don't remember it |
| 18:09 | chris | round 2.2 |
| 18:09 | when the catalogue maintenance module got broked | |
| 18:09 | wouldnt be too hard to bring it back | |
| 18:09 | its somewhere on my list of things to do | |
| 18:10 | :) | |
| 18:10 | mib_mike | Is there any facility to empty the deleted tables to save space? |
| 18:11 | chris | nope, you could run some sql to do it if you wanted ... but disk is cheap .. cheaper than someone asking you for that record back 2 hours after you just deleted it :) |
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| 18:11 | * chris | speaks from experience |
| 18:11 | mib_mike | I know the name of that tune. |
| 18:12 | chris | if i were going to purge those tables, i would dump them first and save that somewhere |
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| 18:12 | CGI236 | how to |
| 18:12 | authenticate Koha with Active Directory | |
| 18:12 | mib_mike | O.K. chris thanks a lot. |
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| 18:15 | CGI236 | how to |
| 18:15 | authenticate Koha with Active Directory | |
| 18:15 | ??????? | |
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| 18:15 | owen | CGI236: If no one has answered your question, it is possible that no one knows the answer |
| 18:16 | mib_mike | CGI236 Can you be more specific? Have you read the documentation? What error messages are you getting? |
| 18:17 | CGI236 | invalid user name and apassword |
| 18:17 | I installed in VMware: | |
| 18:18 | 1. Configured virtual Koha apliance 3.02 | |
| 18:18 | 2. Windows Server 2003 | |
| 18:18 | I installed Active Directory in Windows Server 2003 I created a | |
| 18:18 | domain where I created a user in this domain and want when I login | |
| 18:18 | with this user on Koha http://ip_address:8080 received "invalid | |
| 18:18 | username and password" | |
| 18:18 | http://ip_address | |
| 18:18 | mib_mike | CGI236 Have you tried to authenticate against Active Directory with an LDAP client? |
| 18:19 | CGI236 | no |
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| 18:20 | CGI236 | i don't know how to authenticate against Active Directory with an LDAP client |
| 18:20 | I am a begining | |
| 18:20 | mib_mike | I haven't setup Active Directory in Koha, but from my experience in other areas, what Active Directory thought of as the username and what I thought of as the username were two different things. |
| 18:21 | CGI236 | when trying to log the user interface receiving error |
| 18:22 | mib_mike | If someone else can confirm that koha uses the LDAP interface of Active Directory, I'd suggest you start with accessing Active Directory from a more transparent LDAP client. |
| 18:22 | CGI236 | "invalid username and password" |
| 18:23 | Tuesday, April 8, 2008 : It is a big news for all Koha lovers that now (using Koha 3) it can be linked with your LDAP and Active Directory via the Auth_with_ldap module.... | |
| 18:24 | chris | mib_mike: it does |
| 18:24 | mib_mike | See if you can connect to your Active Directory with http://download.cnet.com/LDAP-[…]5_4-10072421.html |
| 18:25 | CGI236 | install ldap-browser.exe in Windows?? |
| 18:28 | mib_mike | Yes. The ldap-browser is a client to examine your "directory". You should be able to see better error messages when using it to connect to Active Directory. |
| 18:28 | CGI236 | i connect without error to Unizeto CERTUM |
| 18:28 | mib_mike | Sorry, I don't know what that is. |
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| 18:29 | CGI236 | error 91 can't connect to the ldap server |
| 18:32 | mib_mike | O.K. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/[…]2Fadmin_gd368.htm |
| 18:32 | Not particularly helpful, I suspect your Active Directory is not properly configured to "listen" to LDAP. | |
| 18:33 | You might do better in an Active Directory support forum. | |
| 18:33 | Sorry I couldn't be more help. | |
| 18:34 | CGI236 | and how to configure active directory to listen to LDAP? |
| 18:35 | mib_mike | No clue, sorry. I'm a Unix guy. |
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| 18:36 | CGI236 | to configure active directory I use this forum http://www.visualwin.com/AD-Controller/ |
| 18:36 | and this http://www.visualwin.com/New-User-AD/ | |
| 18:37 | mib_mike | try this: http://www.mhsoftware.com/cald[…]manual/en/470.htm |
| 18:55 | chris | Gonna be weird at work today |
| 18:56 | First day in weeks I don't have kohacon stuff to do | |
| 19:04 | Ok my stop bbiab | |
| 19:10 | CGI236 | http://www.mhsoftware.com/cald[…]manual/en/470.htm existe alternative method?? |
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| 19:17 | richard | hi |
| 19:18 | chris | back |
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| 19:31 | CGI236 | how to add new users from LDAP active directory to Koha database |
| 19:31 | ? | |
| 19:39 | owen | CGI236: Did you get your authentication issues figured out? |
| 19:42 | schuster | During Kohacon10 There was discussion about the ranking system - from the High school that is using Koha |
| 19:42 | http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4261 - will that be included in 3.4? | |
| 19:42 | Or has it already been pulled? | |
| 19:42 | chris | the 5 star ratings? |
| 19:42 | if wasabi submits a patch based on master for it, it will go in | |
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| 19:45 | schuster | so do I need to start chanting or sending vibes or... Oh great wasabi... |
| 19:45 | mib_mike | Just upgraded to 3.2 Getting this error on new order in basket Mandatory parameter budget_id missing at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Acquisition.pm line 903. |
| 19:46 | Also saw warning "No ACQ framework, using default. You should create a framework with code ACQ, the items framework would be used" | |
| 19:46 | What's an ACQ framework? Is the use of default framework the cause of the Error? | |
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| 19:53 | chris | hi nengard |
| 19:53 | nengard | hiya hiay |
| 19:54 | hiya ;) | |
| 19:54 | chris | mib_mike: no, it the cause of the error |
| 19:54 | its not i meant | |
| 19:54 | you can make a ACQ framework, which is a cut down framework, for use just with acquisitions | |
| 19:54 | but it isnt mandatory | |
| 19:56 | nengard | when i get home i'm going to have a LOT of email reading to do! |
| 19:57 | chris | you sure are |
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| 20:01 | brendan | heya nengard |
| 20:02 | nengard | morning |
| 20:02 | brendan | how goes vaca? |
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| 20:10 | chris | nengard: sync it all to your phone, and read it on the plane |
| 20:10 | will kill some time :) | |
| 20:10 | nengard | don't like reading emails on phone cause i like to be wordy in my replies :) |
| 20:11 | brendan vaca goes well - doing the spa and the wineries today | |
| 20:11 | chris | well you dont need to reply, i just mark the ones i need to reply to |
| 20:11 | and archive the ones i dont | |
| 20:11 | then i just have a list of ones i have to reply to when i get back to my computer ;) | |
| 20:13 | nengard | passing wifi to bengard - will be back later |
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| 20:17 | mib_mike | Thanks again, chris. |
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| 20:27 | briceSanc | hello all |
| 20:28 | i want to translate the content of a placeholder="" in a input type text, do you know if i can do it with a .po | |
| 20:29 | reva | Hi chris, it looks like I cannot install some dependencies when I ran the git clone command. They were liberror-perl and lib-digest. I did go ahead and download Koha using the link on the command line but the cpan (long) commnd came up with "Make failed". Any idea why? |
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| 20:52 | schuster | by all! |
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| 21:13 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
| 21:17 | rms | . |
| 21:18 | chris | hi rms |
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| 21:41 | hdl | robin: around ? |
| 21:41 | robin | hdl: yep |
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| 21:49 | robin | @later tell hdl had a look around but couldn't see any |
| 21:49 | munin | robin: The operation succeeded. |
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| 22:15 | * chris_n | bemoans the fact that the policy thread has been split now :-( |
| 22:17 | chris | did i split it? |
| 22:18 | robin | splitter! |
| 22:19 | hdl | because? |
| 22:19 | thanks robin | |
| 22:27 | chris_n | I think paul split it accidentally |
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