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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | wasabi | aaah, ok.. |
| 00:01 | still, i wouldnt put it past them! lol | |
| 00:01 | chris | i mean KOHA was invented by liblime donchaknow |
| 00:01 | wasabi | anyhoo, if got some actual work to do today :) , as do you... |
| 00:02 | chris | yup, im deleting biblios with no items attached as we speak |
| 00:03 | wasabi | aah, the 'history-of-koha' blurb has long disappeared from liblime.com too... |
| 00:04 | chris | yeah like i say, we dont, and never did exist |
| 00:04 | wasabi | so the site is designed to obscure koha's history, etc, yawn... |
| 00:05 | ahh, KOHA i've heard of that, its really good! | |
| 00:05 | oooh, heres the 1st website from google...... | |
| 00:06 | ahhh, liblime, ooohhh, grandfathered 95% of code... omg, squee!! | |
| 00:06 | ok, back to a 3.0 install... | |
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| 02:39 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
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| 03:03 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:03 | chris | heya Amit |
| 03:04 | you should go to the commonwealth games, its empty!! | |
| 03:04 | :) | |
| 03:04 | brendan_l | heya amit |
| 03:04 | Amit | chris: haaa |
| 03:05 | heya brendan | |
| 03:05 | chris: have u seen India vs Aus first test match | |
| 03:05 | india win by 1 wicket | |
| 03:05 | chris | yes, so good :) |
| 03:24 | * Shiny | supports any team playing australia |
| 03:25 | Amit | heya shiny |
| 03:25 | Shiny u mean to say cricket match or CWG | |
| 03:29 | brendan left #koha | |
| 03:31 | Shiny | i have no idea what CWG is |
| 03:32 | crickets that game with a ball right? | |
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| 04:00 | chris | http://www.calyx.net.au/2010/1[…]-hosted-by-calyx/ |
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| 04:12 | irma | Online catalogue here http://jsnwl.calyx.net.au/ |
| 04:12 | Next? Using the customised MARC framework for their archives | |
| 04:13 | wasabi | heya irma ;) |
| 04:17 | irma | heya Mason |
| 04:17 | brendan_l | heya irma |
| 04:17 | what up mason :) | |
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| 04:18 | irma | heya Brendan ... see U soon |
| 04:18 | brendan_l | I'm not going to be making it :( |
| 04:19 | irma | :-( |
| 04:19 | brendan_l | but it's not sadness -- my wife is pregnant - and we're expecting a little girl in December |
| 04:19 | irma | that's not such good news! |
| 04:19 | number 1? | |
| 04:19 | brendan_l | I decided that we'd use the time off then - instead of NA |
| 04:19 | yup number one | |
| 04:20 | irma | Congratulations! We loved our pregnancies :-) |
| 04:20 | brendan_l | s/NA/NZ |
| 04:20 | irma | Hope she is feeling well...?! |
| 04:20 | brendan_l | Finally - the first 5 months were really bad... |
| 04:20 | the last month or so has been good | |
| 04:20 | irma | :-( |
| 04:21 | brendan_l | we've got a little kicker on the way |
| 04:21 | irma | cooler months will help too |
| 04:21 | brendan_l | I can feel her kicking up a storm nightly |
| 04:22 | irma | sounds like a healthy and clever baby in construction mode |
| 04:22 | brendan_l | irma - you're most definitely going to KohaCon right? |
| 04:23 | irma | indeed and so is Bob and one of our clients |
| 04:24 | brendan_l | we've got Nicole (nengard), Ian (sekjal) and Nate (nate) going |
| 04:24 | irma | another client was going to come too (and wanted to catch up with Walter re Kete) but could not get leave |
| 04:24 | brendan_l | And the big secret (well not anymore) Nate is going to propose to his girlfriend we'll he is in NZ |
| 04:24 | irma | ++ for ByWater Solutions! |
| 04:25 | brendan_l | so I think you all should tease him a little bit ;0 |
| 04:25 | ;) | |
| 04:27 | irma | IRC Koha log not read by Nate's girlfriend? |
| 04:28 | brendan_l | I'm hoping not -- Nate would kill me ;) |
| 04:29 | irma | Pity I wont get to meet you but looking forward to meeting the other ByWaterSolutions team members |
| 04:30 | better get back to some tasks (silently waiting...) Cheerio all. | |
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| 05:00 | brendan_l | hi hdl ;) |
| 05:00 | early morning for you | |
| 05:00 | hdl | hi brendan_l how are you? |
| 05:00 | 7. AM | |
| 05:01 | late night for you ;) | |
| 05:01 | brendan_l | ok so not too bad |
| 05:01 | 10am | |
| 05:01 | whoops 10pm | |
| 05:02 | so are you: hdl going to KohaCon? | |
| 05:02 | hdl | I will. |
| 05:02 | brendan_l | or maybe this is a better questions - who from biblibre is going |
| 05:02 | hdl | are you on the trip ? |
| 05:02 | paul and I | |
| 05:03 | brendan_l | no - my wife is pregnant - so I'm going to stay behind |
| 05:03 | but Ian (sekjal) nicole (nengard) and Nate (nate) (irc nicks in () ) - are going | |
| 05:06 | hdl | good. |
| 05:07 | congratulations | |
| 05:08 | It is a pity we cannot meet. | |
| 05:08 | brendan_l | thanks :) |
| 05:08 | hdl | But it is the most beatiful reason ;) |
| 05:08 | brendan_l | another time |
| 05:09 | we are having a girl - and she'll need to see paris at some point -- so we'll meet you then ;) | |
| 05:12 | I know you are not close to paris - but france isn't that big | |
| 05:13 | I've been to carcassonne when I was young - so I'm hoping that I can show our little one the same | |
| 05:15 | chris | marseille is great to visit too |
| 05:15 | and cassis | |
| 05:18 | brendan_l | I learned how to windsurf on lake leon :) |
| 05:19 | chris | :) |
| 05:20 | robin | yay, just got confirmation that my Koha talk at OSDC in Melbourne has been accepted :) |
| 05:20 | chris | and its a most apt title too ! |
| 05:20 | brendan_l | sweet |
| 05:20 | * chris | lets robin tell people |
| 05:21 | robin | "Software-as-a-Service Without Crimes Against Freedom" |
| 05:21 | chris | :) |
| 05:21 | brendan_l | hopefully ptfs attends ;) |
| 05:21 | robin | heh |
| 05:22 | brendan_l | robin I've been looking at and messing around with your csvtomarc.pl scripts |
| 05:22 | robin++ | |
| 05:22 | robin | ah cool, hope they're useful |
| 05:23 | Probably going to be doing more with them soon, as I have a bunch more CSVs that need to be converted, so there's bound to be things I didn't account for that I need to this time around. | |
| 05:24 | chris | i did a script today, that ill push up, for deleting unattached biblios safely |
| 05:24 | (wont delete them if they have reserves, orders or items attached) | |
| 05:24 | brendan_l | next up for you, a script that uses MARC::record - with a table feed ( the table would be -- for example 852_a to 952_p)... |
| 05:25 | so that you could feed in a table of all the marc feeds that need to be converted to 952's | |
| 05:25 | robin | so, remapping MARC records from one form to another? |
| 05:25 | brendan_l | yup |
| 05:25 | robin | that should be relatively easy |
| 05:25 | brendan_l | yup - just need to find the time |
| 05:26 | robin | yeah :) that's always the hard bit |
| 05:26 | chris | doing that within koha |
| 05:26 | brendan_l | so you could have an import MARC file and then feed the table in and then get MARC files ready to import |
| 05:26 | chris | now that would be good |
| 05:26 | batch edit of biblios (not just items) | |
| 05:26 | robin | yeah, that would |
| 05:26 | brendan_l | maybe even some more flags for bulkmarcimport |
| 05:27 | chris | *nod* |
| 05:28 | -m /path/to/mapping/table | |
| 05:28 | so you give a file which could be as simple as 245a|245c | |
| 05:29 | or something | |
| 05:29 | brendan_l | would be great if you could run - bulkmarcimport.pl -barcode=852_p, itemcallnumber=852_h,852_i etc. |
| 05:30 | hdl | we did a batch biblio tool it is on master |
| 05:30 | brendan_l | can you post a link to the code here? |
| 05:31 | chris | oh excellent |
| 05:31 | so that will be in 3.4 :) | |
| 05:31 | yay | |
| 05:31 | biblibre++ | |
| 05:32 | hdl | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]b74b2e8653658143a |
| 05:32 | here is the first patch | |
| 05:33 | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]980b6c0213bf43728 | |
| 05:33 | here the latest. | |
| 05:33 | brendan_l | yup chris - batch edit of biblios would be great and really important -- but also respecting authorities at the same time |
| 05:35 | hdl | ok my day has to begin |
| 05:35 | brendan_l | cya later hdl ;) |
| 05:35 | hdl | see you soon on chat |
| 05:35 | chris | cya later |
| 05:35 | http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ive-and-well.html | |
| 05:36 | jo has a good way with metaphors | |
| 05:38 | brendan_l | glad I'm on the nerds/geeks side |
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| 05:40 | chris | :) |
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| 05:41 | brendan_l | Jo++ |
| 05:43 | chris | yeah its a good summary i thought |
| 05:44 | i hoping the ppl who are currently playing the role of the teacher will see what their oh its ok attitude is doing | |
| 05:44 | brendan_l | added a comment ;) |
| 05:44 | nothing exciting - just more of a ++ | |
| 05:44 | chris | :) |
| 05:48 | oh cool | |
| 05:48 | the keirin is on | |
| 05:48 | brendan_l | ? |
| 05:49 | chris | only the most funnest track cycle event |
| 05:49 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin | |
| 05:49 | in the common wealth games | |
| 05:50 | brendan_l | ah crazy peeps on bikes |
| 05:50 | chris | yup |
| 06:06 | http://openhatch.org/+projects/Koha | |
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| 06:14 | * brendan_l | added to openhatch |
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| 06:18 | chris | sweet |
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| 06:50 | * magnus | is happy to play with the nerds in the paddock |
| 06:52 | chris | heh |
| 06:52 | they have certainly drawn a line in the sand | |
| 06:53 | * Elwell_ | catches up on the Paul Henry fiasco - and they still employ this guy? |
| 06:53 | Elwell_ is now known as Elwell | |
| 06:54 | chris | Elwell: i hear his next job is at ptfs |
| 06:54 | Elwell: and yes, they do, hopefully not for too much longer though | |
| 06:54 | Elwell | chris: nah, he's too tactful for ptfs |
| 06:55 | chris | lol |
| 06:57 | Elwell | mind you, looks like you've been employing glaswegian postmen over there too (Mangere voting thing) |
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| 07:01 | chris | heh |
| 07:02 | hdl | back |
| 07:04 | chris | hi hdl |
| 07:05 | Elwell: i think the whole 'supercity' idea is dumb too | |
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| 07:20 | ivanc | good morning #koha |
| 07:20 | chris | hiya ivanc |
| 07:20 | ivanc | buon giorno chris :) |
| 07:22 | paul_p | hi chris & ivanc . live from Lille, (far north of France) |
| 07:22 | chris | ohhh, working up there? |
| 07:23 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 07:23 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on October 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:23 | ivanc | hi paul_p, ( AltoAdige/SouthTyrol north of Italy ) |
| 07:23 | magnus | that's *hot* for october up here |
| 07:23 | paul_p | ivanc, usually, i'm in Marseille, so close from you |
| 07:23 | ivanc | hi magnus |
| 07:23 | paul_p | hi magnus. 20°C here in Lille, 25 in Marseille, that's hot too. |
| 07:24 | some friends of mine were on the beach last we, and the water was really good they said | |
| 07:24 | magnus | hi ivanc, paul_p, chris et al |
| 07:25 | ivanc | 15°C here in Bolzano after a night of rain |
| 07:25 | magnus | meeting in 2,5 hours? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_6_October_2010 |
| 07:26 | chris | yup think so |
| 07:27 | ivanc | I did not know, but 'I am here :) |
| 07:27 | chris | you wanna send a reminder to the list magnus? |
| 07:27 | magnus | ooh, guess i could |
| 07:28 | just to the main list, or main and devel? | |
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| 07:31 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:31 | chris++ # for signing-off on my patch :) | |
| 07:32 | magnus | hiya kf |
| 07:32 | kf | hi magnus |
| 07:33 | ivanc | hi kf |
| 07:36 | kf | hi ivanc |
| 07:37 | chris | no worries kf |
| 07:37 | magnus: either or :) | |
| 07:40 | thank you | |
| 07:41 | jransom joined #koha | |
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| 07:41 | jransom | evening all |
| 07:43 | chris | heya jransom |
| 07:44 | magnus | hi jransom |
| 07:44 | jransom | heya |
| 07:44 | Elwell left #koha | |
| 07:44 | jransom | koha con coming up fast Magnus |
| 07:44 | make sure you bring sun glasses - weather is gorgeous at the moment | |
| 07:45 | bbq 2 nights in a row - in october! | |
| 07:45 | magnus | heh, it's almost hot enough here too for that at the moment |
| 07:45 | won't last long though | |
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| 07:48 | kf | @wunder wellington nz |
| 07:48 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 06, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:48 | chris | was a nice day today |
| 07:49 | kf | jransom: only 3 more days at work for me :) |
| 07:50 | before kohacon | |
| 07:50 | * kf | really excited |
| 07:51 | chris | :) |
| 07:51 | * hdl | too |
| 07:51 | hdl | thanks for the tip jransom |
| 07:52 | jransom | my boys have been on the beach for 2 days and are very sun burnt |
| 07:53 | it could still turn but I'd be packing sun block and sun glasses too | |
| 07:54 | and still chilly evenings | |
| 07:54 | chris | layers |
| 07:54 | thats the key to wellington | |
| 07:54 | hdl | so layers... layers. |
| 07:54 | jransom | yep |
| 07:55 | hdl | can't wait to meet you jransom ;) |
| 07:55 | chris | http://metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington |
| 07:55 | jransom | oh me too. its is going to be great |
| 07:56 | magnus | it is! |
| 07:57 | kf: i have 8 days of work left?!? | |
| 07:57 | kf | 1 week vacation and for shopping :) |
| 07:57 | vistiting my parents | |
| 07:57 | magnus | (+ 4 weekend days that will probably be some work too...) |
| 07:57 | kf | visiting |
| 07:57 | magnus | ah, sounds good! |
| 07:57 | davi joined #koha | |
| 07:58 | kf | :) |
| 07:58 | but cait will be here I think, she can't stay away from #koha | |
| 07:58 | jransom: can't wait to meet you too :) I was thinking a lot about you on monday when we did our first acq training | |
| 07:59 | chris | hehe |
| 07:59 | jransom | thats nice |
| 08:00 | because i spead so much angst around when trying to understand acqusitions? | |
| 08:00 | lol | |
| 08:00 | kf | no |
| 08:00 | because you showed me it works ;) | |
| 08:03 | jransom | oh - thats alright then |
| 08:03 | i do tend to over think things until i understand them thoroughly - then i'm sorted | |
| 08:03 | its because I'm old apparently | |
| 08:04 | kf | no, it sounds a bit like me |
| 08:04 | jransom | are you over 30? |
| 08:04 | kf | nope |
| 08:04 | 27 still | |
| 08:04 | jransom | oh ... well it can't be coz you are 'old' then |
| 08:04 | :) | |
| 08:05 | kf | :) |
| 08:07 | magnus | "old at heart"? ;-) |
| 08:07 | chris | have you seen the movie young at heart? |
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| 08:10 | magnus | don't think so |
| 08:14 | chris | if you get the chance, you should watch it |
| 08:14 | its a great movie | |
| 08:14 | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1047007/ | |
| 08:15 | hi ianB | |
| 08:15 | ianB | Hi Chris. |
| 08:15 | chris | magnus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uOOhm8Fj8 |
| 08:16 | * magnus | gotta run out for a bit |
| 08:17 | ivanc | chris: I just watched the trailer, looks funny, at least the music is not bad |
| 08:18 | chris | yeah it was a great movie, you come out feeling very good about life |
| 08:21 | ivanc | ok you've conviced me :) |
| 08:27 | chris | ianB: ian bays im guessing? here for the meeting later on? |
| 08:30 | magnus | chris: reminds me of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276189/ - their repertoir is more traditional, but they are a bunch of great characters... |
| 08:30 | chris | excellent ill have to check it out |
| 08:38 | kf | ah a meeting |
| 08:39 | in 1 hour 13 minutes? | |
| 08:39 | chris | indeed |
| 08:41 | ianB | Chris: yes, wanting to make sure chatzilla was still working after all the Firefox upgrades... never know when you might need it. |
| 08:42 | chris | yup :) |
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| 08:49 | chris | that was a good race (the keiran final at the commonwealth games) |
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| 09:02 | jransom | Has anyone read the comparitive study referenced here: http://mmitblog.wordpress.com/[…]voyager-compared/ |
| 09:02 | needs a proquest subscription | |
| 09:03 | kf | I read the comment, but have no access to the study :( |
| 09:03 | jransom | me neither - would love to read it though |
| 09:03 | chris | yeah i have, its fairly flawed, and wasnt actually comparing koha, eg and voyager |
| 09:03 | jransom | oh - well i won't worry then :) |
| 09:03 | anything usefl about what makes a 'good' OPAc | |
| 09:04 | chris | did you read dan scotts blog post about it? |
| 09:04 | http://coffeecode.net/archives[…]nd-Libraries.html | |
| 09:04 | jransom | dont think so |
| 09:05 | kf | afk, will be back for the meeting |
| 09:06 | jransom | thanks chris |
| 09:07 | magnus | not much point in reading the study after reading that blogpost, it seems... |
| 09:08 | chris | yeah, i made a comment too, it was actually LLEK not even Koha |
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| 09:08 | jransom | no - its a fairly sound thumping |
| 09:09 | chris | hiya Colin |
| 09:09 | watching the points race jransom ? | |
| 09:09 | Colin | Hi Chris hows things |
| 09:10 | chris | Colin: pretty good keeping busy ... just over 2 weeks til kohacon10, hows you ? |
| 09:10 | jransom | no - kids are watching napolean dynamite and since I'm on the PC I don't get to pull rank #democracy sux |
| 09:10 | chris | heh |
| 09:11 | Colin | ok busy as well - got a lot of libraries choosing koha at the moment |
| 09:12 | chris | great to hear, we put 3 publics (well one system 3 libraries in it) live last week |
| 09:12 | http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/ | |
| 09:12 | kf | hi Colin |
| 09:12 | chris | it seems that everyone is nice and busy so thats excellent |
| 09:13 | jransom | colin: where abouts are you? |
| 09:13 | Colin | UK |
| 09:14 | jransom | nice that there is a good Koha interest there |
| 09:14 | kf | Colin: we did serials training yesterday - do you know if there are pending patches for date problems? |
| 09:15 | we use iso dates and I had some XXX and 00/02/0 (or similar) dates appearing | |
| 09:15 | or am I confusing people again... | |
| 09:16 | jransom | I'm trying valiantly to stay up for this meeting |
| 09:16 | Colin | No its a definite problem I'm looking at what I've done for the UN and trying to extract the sate fixes |
| 09:18 | kf | we use metric dates. I have a lot of notes from training, but not sure I will manage to test and file bug reports before kohacon - only 3 days left for me here |
| 09:18 | :( | |
| 09:19 | jransom | lets fix it at koha con |
| 09:19 | at the hackfest :) | |
| 09:19 | kf | the library has access to a test installation now, so I hope we will get some feedback |
| 09:19 | jransom: :) | |
| 09:19 | Colin | OK if you dont file bug reports. I'll be going through some of the date handling for serials in relation to an existing bug |
| 09:20 | jransom | Colin: are you working on 3.2? |
| 09:20 | Colin | yes |
| 09:20 | kf | Colin: our test installation is on current head and I will try to track some problems down and file bug reports |
| 09:21 | jransom | cool. I wasn't sure trhe relationship between ptfs usa and eu |
| 09:21 | kf | I think some of your patches are not pushed to head yet, so perhaps some of thep roblems are already solved |
| 09:21 | jransom | but you guys are working on koha rather than lek or harley |
| 09:21 | kf | like bug 5086 |
| 09:21 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5086 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, claim date broken in serials |
| 09:22 | jransom | or as well as? |
| 09:22 | Colin | Yes our sites are on koha |
| 09:23 | jransom | thats great |
| 09:23 | so can i ask what the relationship is between PTFS USA and you? | |
| 09:23 | are you the same company or different? | |
| 09:24 | coz you seem very open and approachable | |
| 09:24 | Colin | We're a different company but we market archivalware in Europe. PTFS have a share in us |
| 09:25 | jransom | very good. |
| 09:25 | glad i asked | |
| 09:25 | i just like to know who i'm talking to :) | |
| 09:26 | wasabi | Colin: what do you think about ptfs/liblime's recent KOHA rebranded attempt? |
| 09:27 | chris | heh, is it grill colin hour? |
| 09:27 | kf | ok, I am afk now - Colin++ for great work on serial problems :) |
| 09:27 | chris | Colin: who is gonna win this points race? |
| 09:27 | kf | yeah, be nice to Colin! |
| 09:27 | jransom | I wasn't being mean |
| 09:27 | Colin | kf++ |
| 09:28 | jransom | sins of the father and all that |
| 09:28 | wasabi | nor was i, i ask a genuine question to Colin |
| 09:29 | jransom | its quite difficult situation aye |
| 09:29 | Colin | To be honest I dont know what to think. I don't think its an evil conspiracy tho |
| 09:29 | chris | just cluelessness? |
| 09:30 | cluelessness can often look like malice | |
| 09:30 | jransom | i do wonder if it is all as perplexing for them as it is for us |
| 09:30 | Colin | Indeed all conspiraacy theories underestimate cluelessness |
| 09:31 | I believe someone is going to kohacon and I hope that might clarify things | |
| 09:32 | chris | yeah i was feeling better about that, before the new logo, and history rewrite, but im sure we can clear some stuff up in person |
| 09:32 | Amit | heya cloin |
| 09:33 | Colin | Hi |
| 09:33 | slef | Who was it wrote recently that any sufficiently advanced conspiracy is indistinguishable from incompetence? |
| 09:33 | bbi15ish | |
| 09:35 | wasabi | ...its basically based around ptfs/liblime having a US trademark for 'KOHA' |
| 09:35 | jransom | Colin: do you know who is coming down? |
| 09:35 | I did invite John Yokley | |
| 09:37 | wasabi | ptfs are attempting to capitalize 'Koha' to 'KOHA' to suit their US trademark? |
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| 09:37 | Colin | I think its Patrick He's in charge of the library system side of the business (this is all second hand) |
| 09:37 | jransom | ok |
| 09:38 | no offence meant in grilling you colin | |
| 09:38 | feeling a bit raw down this end of the world | |
| 09:39 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
| 09:40 | wasabi | i second that emotion, jransom |
| 09:44 | chris | now that song is stuck in my head |
| 09:45 | wasabi | i just want someone from PTFS/liblime to confess that the *are* playing an FUD war against the Koha project itself |
| 09:45 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 09:46 | magnus | g'day gmcharlt |
| 09:46 | jransom | heya galen |
| 09:46 | wasabi | ... and quit pretending to be coy/unaware of it |
| 09:47 | chris | hi gmcharlt |
| 09:47 | wasabi | it really *is* an evil conspiracy |
| 09:47 | adegroff | good morning everyone |
| 09:48 | jransom | hi amy |
| 09:48 | hdl | hi |
| 09:48 | magnus | hiya adegroff |
| 09:48 | kf | back |
| 09:48 | adegroff | where can I find an agenda for today? John asked me to join you in case there were specfici questions related |
| 09:48 | to the proposal we shared | |
| 09:48 | chris | nope |
| 09:48 | this is just a general development meeting | |
| 09:48 | adegroff | ok thank you |
| 09:48 | magnus | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_6_October_2010 |
| 09:49 | adegroff | oh dear I will likely be in the way then - let me hang around for bit either way |
| 09:49 | hdl | hi adegroff nice to see you there. |
| 09:50 | jransom | you could stay amy, more the merrier |
| 09:50 | adegroff | well its 6 AM be glad you don't actually SEE me |
| 09:50 | jransom | honey its 11pm here so touche |
| 09:50 | kf | 12... pm/am? - it's lunch time |
| 09:50 | thd | wasabi: I say extremely foolish rather than evil. |
| 09:51 | hdl | 12am here lunch time |
| 09:51 | kf | am then :) |
| 09:51 | Amit | heya kf |
| 09:51 | kf | hi Amiot |
| 09:51 | sorry, Amit | |
| 09:52 | thd | wasabi: evil requires more careful deliberation than could be possible for some of the foolishness. |
| 09:52 | wasabi | i think its close to evil, they've exploited the trust we all have in each other |
| 09:52 | gmcharlt | good morning, it's 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 09:52 | meeting starting now | |
| 09:52 | page for the meeting is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_6_October_2010 | |
| 09:52 | hdl | hi gmcharlt |
| 09:52 | gmcharlt | agenda items are |
| 09:52 | Update on Roadmap to 3.2. | |
| 09:52 | Update on Roadmap to 3.0. | |
| 09:52 | Update on Roadmap to 3.4. | |
| 09:52 | Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 1 September 2010. | |
| 09:52 | Agree times of next meetings. | |
| 09:52 | first, introductions | |
| 09:52 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM |
| 09:53 | * hdl | = Henri-Damien LAURENT, 3.0 Release maintainer |
| 09:53 | jransom | Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ |
| 09:53 | wasabi | wasabi: = mason james, kohaaloha, nz |
| 09:53 | magnus | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 09:53 | Amit | Amit Gupta: Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore, India |
| 09:53 | adegroff | Amy De Groff, LibLime, a division of PTFS, USA |
| 09:53 | Colin | = Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd |
| 09:53 | * kf | = Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 09:53 | ivanc | ivanc = Ivan Ceradini, EthicalSoftware.it |
| 09:54 | * slef | = MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 09:54 | * chris | is Chris Cormack RM 3.4 |
| 09:55 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - [recovering from a severe cold] |
| 09:55 | chris | ohh EthicalSoftware .. what a great name |
| 09:55 | jransom | (my thoughts too - great name) |
| 09:55 | slef | I don't like it. Seems like co-op lite ;-) |
| 09:56 | thd | :) |
| 09:56 | chris | you never like anything :P |
| 09:56 | jransom | lol |
| 09:56 | kf | lol |
| 09:56 | slef | not when they seem to be chasing my lunch ;-) |
| 09:56 | jransom | he doesn't - you're right! |
| 09:56 | ivanc | chris: the license is great the name is only a name ;) |
| 09:56 | slef | I like Koha... |
| 09:56 | chris | :) |
| 09:56 | jransom | :) |
| 09:56 | gmcharlt | heh - I think that finishes the introduction section, on to the agenda |
| 09:57 | 3.2 - I've tested and pushed Colin's patch for 4310, the remaining big blocker | |
| 09:57 | chris | w00t |
| 09:57 | jransom | yay |
| 09:57 | gmcharlt | I'll do a little more tidying today, then this afternoon is the RC1 |
| 09:57 | hdl | yay |
| 09:57 | kf | Colin++ |
| 09:57 | magnus | yay |
| 09:57 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 09:57 | Amit | gmcharlt++ |
| 09:57 | gmcharlt | I am expected a very short period to go from RC1 to R, as it were |
| 09:57 | then will hand over the reins with gratitude to chris and chris_n | |
| 09:58 | hdl | gmcharlt++ |
| 09:58 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5191 Patron notification was being reset to none <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b428f4e76e6f7f4c> / Bug 4310 Map orders to new budget structure <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6ebe8c9de80ed838e> / Bug 5205 Fix compile time warnings in tools/batchMod.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=koha.git;a=commi |
| 09:58 | jransom | and your work will be done |
| 09:58 | gmcharlt | jransom: no, it won't :) I'm not going anywhere |
| 09:58 | jransom | gmcharlt ++ a great big job well done |
| 09:58 | chris | yeah, i have jobs for him |
| 09:58 | gmcharlt | chris: how are we doing in translations? about ready for a pull? |
| 09:58 | chris | gmcharlt++ |
| 09:58 | jransom | well, the big pressure will be off |
| 09:58 | wasabi | Colin++ thats my original bug :/ |
| 09:58 | chris | gimme 10 mins and we will be |
| 09:59 | gmcharlt | the main thing that I noticed a while back was a what was effectively a syntax error in the es-ES po that broke it |
| 09:59 | so if you could double-check that es-ES applies, I'd appreciate it | |
| 09:59 | chris | will do |
| 09:59 | kf | ah, I remember having problems with es-ES |
| 10:00 | and french - because of the html entities, but I think this was fixed | |
| 10:00 | gmcharlt | speaking of translations - fredericd, are you set up to switch to your new pootle? |
| 10:02 | k, anyway moving | |
| 10:02 | 3.0.x - hdl? | |
| 10:02 | hdl | still working on the release |
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| 10:03 | hdl | should be out before kohacon |
| 10:04 | this or next week | |
| 10:04 | any questions ? | |
| 10:04 | gmcharlt | hearing none .. on to 3.4 |
| 10:04 | chris? | |
| 10:04 | chris | syntax error in the es opac, will fix and commit then a pull will be good |
| 10:05 | ok, i think we are good to start work on 3.4, colin and i had a brief email conversation | |
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| 10:05 | chris | he is going to start creating qa branches and applying patches, for me to pull from |
| 10:06 | wasabi | cool, great to hear |
| 10:06 | chris | ill be pushing them up as feature/bug branches as they pass, but wont be merging to master just yet |
| 10:06 | this gives people are chance to rebase their patches off master while it is stable | |
| 10:06 | and resubmit | |
| 10:07 | over the summer break I also have 2 students working at catalyst who will be doing a bunch of work like the template changes, so we should be able to get things rocking along | |
| 10:07 | oh and hi sirexkat :) | |
| 10:07 | sirexkat | Hi all :) |
| 10:08 | chris | Colin: anything ive missed out? |
| 10:08 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5194 - Patron notification on new issues not working <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fe6734bced75d084e> / Bug 4867 - cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b91a07a2013865249> |
| 10:08 | Colin | No I think that's it |
| 10:08 | chris | cool |
| 10:09 | paul_p | (i'm reading, although i'm not speaking) |
| 10:09 | hdl | talking about templates, are you planing to split them into reusable parts ? |
| 10:10 | wasabi | paul_p, hdl , great news on your solr work too! :) |
| 10:10 | chris | hdl: first cut is a straight translation |
| 10:11 | 2nd pass yes, split them into smaller includable (and thus cachable) chunks | |
| 10:11 | magnus | cool |
| 10:12 | hdl | wasabi: we also had some time on a memoryleak Plack module. |
| 10:12 | kf | chris: will you look at the patches that will not make it into 3.2 - or better rebase and resend everything? |
| 10:12 | hdl | So that we could trace that. |
| 10:12 | gmcharlt | kf: current patches do not need to be resubmitted |
| 10:14 | Colin | I'll try and review anything that is submitted but not in 3.2 |
| 10:14 | chris | excellent |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | any other question re 3.4? |
| 10:14 | hdl | hard work. |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | next item on the agenda is Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 1 September 2010. |
| 10:15 | but before we do that, jransom, do you want to make a plug for KohaCon? | |
| 10:15 | jransom | i could |
| 10:15 | gmcharlt | (sorry to put you on the spot, but I figure you're always ready to do that :) ) |
| 10:15 | jransom | the sun is shining and welliongton is justglorious |
| 10:15 | chris knows betterthan i do but registrations are strong | |
| 10:15 | and over 50% from overseas | |
| 10:16 | have 1 place still on the road trip, loads of room on the trip up to Levin on the thursfay night | |
| 10:16 | chris: anything lese? | |
| 10:16 | amazing speakers | |
| 10:16 | * kf | is registered for both :) |
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| 10:17 | wasabi | great coffee! |
| 10:17 | * magnus | hopes lots more joins the trip to Levin - sounds like fun |
| 10:17 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 10:17 | ivanc | hi mi company develop and promote free software, and together with other local groups we are tying to "convince" the public schools to adopt Koha as ILS |
| 10:17 | jransom | that is a big BIG deal for us |
| 10:17 | ivanc | mi/my |
| 10:17 | jransom | as in ourlocal Maori are really turning it on |
| 10:17 | chris | yeah, its a pretty once in a lifetime thing |
| 10:17 | jransom | and the mayoral reception is nice |
| 10:18 | probably all the councillors and mayor will be joining us at the marae becuase its a bit special | |
| 10:18 | wasabi | ivanc++ , we are doing the same in NZ :) |
| 10:18 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug: 4904: Problem with printing fines in overdue notices <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]77048a2deb088c17c> / Bug 2664: Add item should preselect logged in branch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]77532408c2939ede6> / Fix for Bug 5265, error message on lists is misleading <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh |
| 10:18 | jransom | they don't do the whole powhiri very often at all - and all because of you international Koha folk ") |
| 10:18 | slef | The do's/don'ts postings, while seemingly common sense to us English, are a bit scary and I feel may be chilling signups. |
| 10:19 | ivanc | wasabi++ |
| 10:19 | chris | slef: for the levin trip? |
| 10:19 | slef | chris: yeah |
| 10:19 | jransom | the no sitting on ntables thing etc? |
| 10:19 | kf | not throwing foods |
| 10:19 | slef | chris: we don't want to start an international cultural incident... |
| 10:19 | jransom | better you know than inadvertently offend someone |
| 10:20 | slef | yeah, it all seems common-sense, but it's still a little scary |
| 10:20 | jransom | and its not arduous |
| 10:20 | we'll look after youmate | |
| 10:20 | slef | not that we'd throw food... but that did surprise me in Florida, that people did that |
| 10:21 | jransom | i'd never do it either |
| 10:21 | ivanc | we have some problem first koha is not fully qualified for this purpose and second in italy is not widely used |
| 10:21 | chris | gmcharlt: translation branch is ready to pull |
| 10:21 | gmcharlt | slef: they do that in Florida? news to me! :) |
| 10:21 | jransom | but biffing a bread roll across the table to yor wife for instance |
| 10:21 | slef | gmcharlt: maybe it's only sales workers... |
| 10:21 | jransom | just don't do it now you know |
| 10:21 | chris | oh another plug for the conference www.thelibrary.co.nz |
| 10:21 | jransom | the pub :) |
| 10:21 | chris | are sponsoring us some drinks for the first night |
| 10:22 | jransom | sponsorship has been phenomenal |
| 10:22 | local levin businesses delighted to spo nsor | |
| 10:22 | hdl | will there be music ? |
| 10:22 | jransom | at the marae |
| 10:22 | yes | |
| 10:22 | wasabi | oooh, ive heard about that place! |
| 10:22 | jransom | kapahaka performances |
| 10:22 | ivanc | kf helped me, but now, I realy need a librarian ( with witness ) that use koha |
| 10:23 | jransom | ok - I'm done. |
| 10:23 | chris | theres gonna be music in at least 2 presentations too |
| 10:23 | jransom | nothing else useful to add |
| 10:24 | gmcharlt | jransom++ |
| 10:24 | any follow-up items from the September meeting? | |
| 10:24 | chris: I've pushed the translation updates | |
| 10:25 | chris | coolio |
| 10:25 | ivanc | we will happy to add these features to the distribution, but the school bust confirm the task |
| 10:25 | chris | oh i forgot to mention hudson |
| 10:25 | slef | Does the Koha holdings data fields item need to come back? |
| 10:25 | gmcharlt | ah, yes - please say more about hudson |
| 10:26 | chris | http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ |
| 10:26 | slef | Also I'm still massively behind with koha list mails I need to send. :-/ |
| 10:26 | chris | its just noticed that galen has been pushing things |
| 10:26 | so is doing a new build then is going to run all the unit tests | |
| 10:26 | and complain about the ones that fail | |
| 10:26 | soon im gonna make it complain at the people who committed the code tha makes it fail | |
| 10:27 | it also runs a coverage test as well | |
| 10:27 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]b/Koha/lastBuild/ | |
| 10:27 | the build that just ran | |
| 10:27 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/32/HTML_Report/? | |
| 10:27 | hdl | 39 tests failed already, and weather shines. |
| 10:28 | gmcharlt | and this is where I make a plug for people to write more test cases, to make hudson even more useful |
| 10:28 | chris | yep |
| 10:28 | hdl | yes. |
| 10:28 | chris | you can see we can improve our coverage a lot |
| 10:28 | gmcharlt | chris++ |
| 10:28 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'translation' of git://git.workbuffer.org/git/koha into master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0d277a0239b2a999> / Fix for syntax error in the spanish opac file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4a2b8b973c8f7d69d> / Language updates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mmitdiff;h=34165a |
| 10:29 | chris | we want more blue, less red http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ha/30/testReport/ |
| 10:29 | but yeah, it just sits there and runs the tests everytime things change | |
| 10:29 | (well every 15 mins if something has changed) | |
| 10:30 | so lets try and get it passing everything and then increase that coverage | |
| 10:30 | or both at the same time :) | |
| 10:30 | hdl | ok. |
| 10:30 | wasabi | cheers for setting this up chris! |
| 10:31 | slef | where's the link to http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ha/30/testReport/ found? |
| 10:31 | wasabi | ... and the IRC chanserv stuff too |
| 10:31 | gmcharlt | chris++ |
| 10:31 | chris: although, a question - is it possible to have hudson turn up verbosity on the test results? | |
| 10:31 | chris | slef: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/ |
| 10:31 | if you click on the graph | |
| 10:31 | jransom | this is pretty cool |
| 10:31 | gmcharlt | i.e,. to get the name of test cases that fail? |
| 10:31 | jransom | chris++ |
| 10:32 | slef | chris: oic. Ta. |
| 10:32 | jransom | goodnight folks - fallen asleep |
| 10:32 | chris | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ha/29/testReport/ |
| 10:32 | gmcharlt | ok, time to set the next meeting date |
| 10:32 | slef | jransom has been eaten by a grue |
| 10:32 | chris | if they are named it will tell ya |
| 10:32 | kf | good night jo |
| 10:32 | gmcharlt | 19:00 UTC+0 on November 3? |
| 10:32 | chris | and you can click on them to find out more |
| 10:32 | jransom | wats a grue? |
| 10:32 | slef | gmcharlt/chris: what's that in NZ? |
| 10:33 | jransom left #koha | |
| 10:33 | hdl | quite early in NZ |
| 10:33 | slef | A grue is a fictional predator, first from the Zork series of interactive fiction games by Infocom, and subsequently in other Infocom games. The word grue was first used in modern times as a fictional predator from Jack Vance's Dying Earth universe (described as being part "ocular bat", part "uncanny hoon" and part man). Vance probably took the name from an archaic/dialectal... http://a.vu/w:Grue_(monster) |
| 10:34 | chris | 8am |
| 10:34 | november 4 | |
| 10:34 | in nz time | |
| 10:34 | slef | where am I then... checking :) |
| 10:34 | thd | +1 |
| 10:34 | chris | we are +13 at the mo |
| 10:34 | gmcharlt | slef: do we need to put out an APB to find you? :) |
| 10:34 | chris | nov 5 is of course guy fawkes, you'll still be here for that? |
| 10:35 | hdl | chris++ |
| 10:35 | slef | chris: nah, need to get home to recover before other trips in November, sorry |
| 10:35 | hdl | Maybe I could be on plane... |
| 10:35 | thd | A yes gmcharlt |
| 10:36 | chris | hmm you might be actually .. maybe the week after instead? |
| 10:36 | thd | maybe the week after |
| 10:36 | gmcharlt | chris: November 10, then? |
| 10:36 | kf | coming back an 2nd - perhaps we can make the next meeting a bit later? |
| 10:36 | slef | I'm travelling back too. |
| 10:36 | chris | works for me |
| 10:36 | kf | 10+ |
| 10:36 | hdl | ok |
| 10:36 | gmcharlt | ok - trying this - 19:00 UTC+0 on 10 November 2010 |
| 10:36 | slef | Nov 10 is OK... +/-1 day would be better |
| 10:37 | actually, hell, 10 Nov is fine | |
| 10:37 | chris | +1 |
| 10:37 | thd | +1 10 Nov. |
| 10:37 | slef | (I should be travelling in a good signal area and I can't do much else at that time) |
| 10:38 | thd | :) |
| 10:38 | slef: Will that be cell phone IRC? | |
| 10:38 | slef | yep |
| 10:38 | gmcharlt | ok - 19:00 UTC+0 on 10 November it is |
| 10:38 | thanks all | |
| 10:39 | slef | e90, symbian and putty FTW! |
| 10:39 | gmcharlt | meeting adjourned |
| 10:39 | wasabi | thanx again galen |
| 10:39 | slef | thanks gmcharlt |
| 10:39 | Amit | thanks galen |
| 10:40 | kf | thanks gmcharlt |
| 10:40 | hdl | thanks |
| 10:40 | magnus | thanks all - good meeting |
| 10:40 | adegroff | thank you all for your time |
| 10:42 | wasabi | congrats on your KOHA rebranding amy |
| 10:43 | adegroff | i am sorry I am not following |
| 10:50 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Missed adding the beta release <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]93c9e912e27323b09> / Updating history doc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9f274881e34931639> / Bug 5090: New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]h=53a11dbea95bb82 |
| 10:50 | chris_n | gmcharlt++ |
| 10:52 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 10:56 | adegroff | i must go begin my day - it was nice to meet many of you this morning. |
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| 10:58 | slef | I take it back. It seems ethicalsoftware.it is another co-op. Yippee! |
| 10:58 | * slef | does a little dance |
| 10:58 | kmkale | hi all |
| 10:59 | ivanc | slef yes since 2006 |
| 11:00 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug_5245 Fix SQL syntax in GetItems <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]54edbdc3db969bdcf> / Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5203' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f04b92a0630355384> / Fixes bug 5231: bad call to GetAuthType in BiblioAddAuthorities() <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]/?p=koha.git;a=co |
| 11:00 | chris | hi kmkale and nengard |
| 11:00 | nengard | morning all |
| 11:00 | kmkale | Is there a way I can configure Koha to use a mail server which requires authentication for outgoing mails? |
| 11:01 | hi chris | |
| 11:01 | kf | hi kmkale and nengard |
| 11:01 | chris | yep kmkale |
| 11:01 | kmkale | a hint chris? |
| 11:02 | chris | well, koha uses the Mail::Sendmail module |
| 11:02 | kmkale | hi kf |
| 11:02 | slef | kmkale: I guess either 1. use mailserver on local system and configure that to authenticate; 2. hack the fraudulently-named Mail::Sendmail settings on the Koha system. |
| 11:03 | nengard | sorry i missed the meeting ... was a bit too early to get my eyes to open :) |
| 11:03 | slef | Anyone else irritated the Mail::Sendmail module doesn't use /usr/lib/sendmail? |
| 11:03 | nengard | i'm off to read the logs |
| 11:03 | slef | hi nengard |
| 11:03 | nengard | hiya slef - are you counting down?? |
| 11:03 | Today is 14 days for me :) | |
| 11:03 | slef | nengard: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh :) |
| 11:04 | chris | slef: i was gonna suggest nullmailer, to handle the handing it off |
| 11:04 | nengard | that doesn't sound positive |
| 11:04 | chris | or yeah, hack Mail::Sendmail |
| 11:04 | kmkale | chris nullmailer does not do authentication does it? |
| 11:04 | slef | nengard: it has a smiley. I just hate planes. |
| 11:04 | nengard | ah yes! I'm a bit nervous about that part too |
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| 11:05 | slef | LIMITATIONS |
| 11:05 | No suport for the SMTP AUTH extension. | |
| 11:05 | ||
| 11:05 | nengard | but I get to sit with hubby and sekjal so they can keep me calm |
| 11:05 | kmkale | aahh |
| 11:05 | slef | ok, so it would be a biiig hack to Mail::Sendmail |
| 11:05 | kmkale | iii? that big? |
| 11:05 | chris | exim4 can easily, and send all its mail to a smarthost |
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| 11:06 | slef | Yes, reliable SMTP handling is hard. |
| 11:06 | kmkale | cause this place does not have a static IP so I cant set up relaying reliably |
| 11:06 | slef | I think install something that can do SMTP AUTH (exim4, postfix, or something lighter if you can find one) and tell Koha to use localhost. |
| 11:07 | chris | yeah |
| 11:07 | kmkale | chris exim4 can do auth and handover? |
| 11:07 | chris | yup |
| 11:07 | slef | exim4 could probably control space flight with the right configuration |
| 11:07 | kmkale | slef: tell Koha to use localhost.. Where? |
| 11:07 | chris | it will use localhost by default |
| 11:07 | so you wont even have to tell it | |
| 11:08 | slef | yeah, unless you've changed it, sorry |
| 11:08 | ivanc | dovecot is realy simple |
| 11:08 | kmkale | cool. Exim4 |
| 11:08 | slef | does dovecot do smtp? |
| 11:08 | I only use it for IMAP | |
| 11:08 | kmkale | I have used dovecot as IMAP server many times. But not for smtp |
| 11:09 | slef | nullmailer can do smtp auth http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/NEWS |
| 11:09 | I'm not sure how secure (TLS? C-R login?), mind. | |
| 11:10 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5101, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]78b7e1abb8eb3ff95> / Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5215' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]995967e5ecc315d19> / Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5247' into to-push <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ |
| 11:10 | ivanc | yes right, with postfix |
| 11:10 | slef | ok np |
| 11:11 | kmkale | googling up on nullmailer auth |
| 11:12 | kf | ivanc: you got no response from the library in stuttgart? |
| 11:13 | kmkale | yup "smarthost.dom smtp --port=2525 --user=user --pass=pass" |
| 11:13 | nullmailer remotes | |
| 11:13 | thanks slef chris ivanc | |
| 11:14 | ivanc | kf no :( |
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| 11:15 | chris | magnus: thanks for updating the minutes |
| 11:15 | kf | ivanc: you could try and contact him or one of our libraries directly |
| 11:16 | but they are not school libraries of course :( | |
| 11:17 | ivanc | kf yes I dont have a lot more possiblity |
| 11:17 | chris | ivanc: how big does the school need to be? |
| 11:18 | ivanc | I'need a librarian who uses Koha, no limit :) |
| 11:19 | chris | oh |
| 11:19 | easy peasy | |
| 11:20 | ivanc | better if the librarian is a german |
| 11:20 | chris | http://ashs.school.nz/ |
| 11:20 | use koha | |
| 11:20 | Colin | ivanc we support a school library in the uk running koha |
| 11:20 | nengard | um ... i did a rebase and now i have an ugly error |
| 11:21 | chris | http://theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/ |
| 11:21 | they are interesting cos everything they use is floss | |
| 11:21 | kf | there are a lot of koha school libraries - but German is a problem |
| 11:21 | pastebot | "nengard" at 98.114.20.104 pasted "error after rebase" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/73 |
| 11:21 | nengard | anyone else see this? |
| 11:22 | kf | nengard: I think I have an idea |
| 11:22 | chris | oh thats not an ugly error |
| 11:22 | you are just missing a module | |
| 11:22 | kf | you need to install another module |
| 11:22 | nengard | chris - any error is ugly :) |
| 11:22 | chris | apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl |
| 11:22 | Colin | Business::ISBN |
| 11:22 | kf | :) |
| 11:22 | ivanc | tnks chris Colin kf |
| 11:22 | * kf | thinks #koha is such a great place to be |
| 11:23 | nengard | hmmm - isn't there a more graceful way to let people know that they're missing something for Koha to run? |
| 11:23 | kf | there was a hint in the commit message of frederic's patch |
| 11:23 | chris | the installer checks |
| 11:23 | Colin | kf: are you doing anything with analytics? |
| 11:23 | kf | Warning! On some devel installations, you will have to install by hand a |
| 11:23 | new CPAN depency: | |
| 11:23 | Business::ISBN | |
| 11:23 | chris | but no, if you are running out of git and just rebase like that .. no easy way |
| 11:23 | kf | Colin: bug 4506 |
| 11:23 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w |
| 11:24 | kf | I did some work on that |
| 11:24 | chris | Colin: have you seen the rfc? |
| 11:24 | kf | Colin: but I have still not read the rfc :( |
| 11:24 | my work is here: http://github.com/kfischer/Koh[…]ree/bug_4506_xslt | |
| 11:25 | nengard | so i just installed it and now koha says it needs an upgrade .... kind of like Graphics::Magick |
| 11:25 | kf | but I am quite new to the public repo thing - hope I did everything right |
| 11:25 | and it still needs some work, it's not showing 733 $h at the moment | |
| 11:25 | chris | on the about page nengard ? |
| 11:25 | you can safely ignore that | |
| 11:25 | nengard | oh, yes, sorry i wasn't clearer |
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| 11:25 | kf | Colin: I can provide you with an example of our marc21 data to show you how it works |
| 11:25 | chris | or upgrade to squeeze (id pick the former) |
| 11:26 | Colin | Yes. I've seen the rfc I think we may get sponsered to do some related work |
| 11:26 | kf | Colin: we have a lot of $w links and relationships in our data |
| 11:26 | Colin | kf: a sample would be helpful |
| 11:27 | kf | Colin: ok, give me some time to export the data, will try to do it later |
| 11:27 | I can email you the file | |
| 11:27 | Colin | Thanks |
| 11:28 | kf | no problem |
| 11:29 | I did some manual manipulation on my records, want to sent you a clean sample | |
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| 11:33 | chris | ok, sleep time for me |
| 11:33 | have good days all | |
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| 11:34 | kf | good night chris :) |
| 11:35 | nengard | reading through new commits and love that chris_n put a documentation note in there for me :) now i know what to update in the manual :) |
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| 11:40 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5086: fix setting claim date <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3be2dfd7a5f07779b> |
| 11:50 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5032 Remove duplicate code <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9ff5b6ac281babe26> / Bug 5047 html option not in -help output <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7d54ccb15d7b57792> / Bug 5160 Stop words should be stop words not strings <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9497ea74339277b08 | |
| 11:51 | * kf | hands munin a cookie |
| 11:53 | magnus | oooh, gotta love all those commits |
| 11:53 | kf | me too |
| 11:53 | I am so excited watching it | |
| 12:00 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4922 - Item display tries to show serial info for titles with series... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ae0af64d5b862b47d> / Update VOKAL icon set <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]615eb7779aea2da3b> / Bug 5217 : package/CPAN updates for Ubuntu Lucid install <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g |
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| 12:09 | owen | Hi all, sorry to have missed the meeting |
| 12:10 | * chris_n | too |
| 12:10 | chris_n | but the sleep was good ;-) |
| 12:10 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3630 Impossible to perform Scan Indexes search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]54d0f8e3aa17492fa> / Avoid to add a warning in log <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2a856d8e9ba84c888> / Fix for Bug 4849 - Cannot delete records from Labeled MARC view <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]t;a=commitdiff;h= |
| 12:10 | * owen | was getting kids out of bed, getting them breakfast, etc. |
| 12:10 | owen | jwagner here? |
| 12:10 | jwagner | Yes |
| 12:11 | owen | Please have my quote removed from this page: http://www.liblime.com/main.asp?page=1274 |
| 12:11 | The company for whom that quote was given no longer exists | |
| 12:11 | and it was given about a product which Liblime no longer supports | |
| 12:11 | jwagner | owen, please email and I'll forward it. |
| 12:12 | owen | Thank you. |
| 12:12 | slef | liblime.com runs in ASP? Yikes |
| 12:13 | anyone else seeing all the menu links on that page go to prelaunch.agencyofrecord.com? | |
| 12:13 | owen | Haven't you heard slef? Liblime isn't an open source company anymore. |
| 12:14 | slef | owen: no. I've been working too much :-/ |
| 12:14 | * chris_n | noted the redirection problems last evening |
| 12:14 | slef | I tend to watch the ball more than other players. |
| 12:14 | chris_n | s/redirection/rewrite/ |
| 12:15 | slef | After all, if the co-op is good at what it does, most of the other players are irrelevant. |
| 12:16 | * paul_p | feels we should just take note of what happends & continue our job. too much distracting. Now, I even think it's a kind of strategy. |
| 12:16 | paul_p | 'morning owen & other US ppl I haven't seen before |
| 12:16 | nengard | slef did you read jo's blog post? that's what i pictured when you mentioned watching the ball :0 |
| 12:16 | jwagner | owen, there's a lot of revisionist history going on right now, and I'm pretty tired of it. Your comment and Joann Ransom's quote "They took the ball, the code, and played with it a while cutting out the orginal players by not pasing it back in the way of bug-fixes and enhancements." in particular. |
| 12:17 | chris_n | heya paul_p |
| 12:17 | owen | jwagner: You're certainly right about the revisionist history |
| 12:17 | jwagner | We HAVE passed back bug fixes and enhancements, somewhere around 100 patches if my count is accurate. We do support open source. |
| 12:17 | And we have been trying our best to participate. People don't seem to pay any attention. | |
| 12:18 | slef | nengard: no... I've barely been reading lists, definitely few blogs. What post? |
| 12:18 | jwagner | My question now is, do you want us to keep trying to participate? The constant negativity here and elsewhere makes it really hard for me to feel welcome or wanted. |
| 12:19 | nengard | slef: http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ive-and-well.html |
| 12:19 | owen | jwagner: You can start by withdrawing the NZ trademark application |
| 12:20 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 2947, value_builder scripts using authnotrequired <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a5f1f7e62ce88460d> |
| 12:20 | slef | jwagner: the unretracted legal threat means I mostly ignore you and your colleagues. I try not to be negative about PTFS beyond that, but statements by John Yokley and co do not make it easy to keep my neutrality. |
| 12:20 | nengard: ta. Reading. | |
| 12:21 | nengard | jwagner, i think the point that is that I only see 2 ptfs people sending patches http://git.koha-community.org/[…]author&s=ptfs.com and we appreciate those people, but participating in a community is about so much more than sending a few patches - it's about acting like a member of the community and that's what people keep getting upset about |
| 12:22 | slef | PTFS would probably be much more agreeable if led by jwagner. |
| 12:22 | nengard | it's the whole actions speak louder than words thing ... it's what slef and owen are saying and so much more |
| 12:22 | agreed! | |
| 12:23 | slef | I'm tempted to say that what we need is someone with big money to go and buy liblime. But that already happened and doesn't seem to have helped. |
| 12:23 | nengard | yeah :( we were all so positive about the change over when it happened |
| 12:23 | chris_n | jwagner: I must say that ptfs grab of koha-community.* domains does not constitute "good will" imho |
| 12:23 | kf | but perhaps we can still try not to treat some people as responsible for all their company does and decides? the people that stay around #koha and send patches to make it worse |
| 12:24 | chris_n | jwagner: I do see contributions of two of PTFS's developers and am grateful, but cannot overlook the rather hostile overtones of other PTFS actions toward the community |
| 12:24 | jwagner | nengard, perhaps you don't remember that when you were with Liblime your organization did its best to block us from any community participation. The community was hostile to us from the beginning. |
| 12:24 | chris_n | if this offends, I'm sorry, but do not have plans to change my appraisal of the facts as they stand |
| 12:25 | PTFS is welcome to change the facts | |
| 12:25 | slef | kf: not completely, sorry, if the workers do not wish to be seen as supporting the company, they should not work for it. |
| 12:25 | nengard | jwagner and if you remember as soon as i was told i couldn't be a member of the community i quit .... |
| 12:25 | chris_n | and my appraisal of them will change accordingly |
| 12:26 | slef | jwagner: no, we were neutral, but before we really decided, we had a nice threat from PTFS. That does pretty much polarise. |
| 12:26 | nengard | also - just like you're not the one we're talking about at ptfs - i wasn't part of the decision making process at LL and wasn't part of that decision |
| 12:26 | kf | slef: sorry, I don't agree it is as easy as this. |
| 12:27 | slef | kf: it's not easy, but corporations only exist through actions by their workers and owners. |
| 12:29 | * nengard | nengard_breakfast |
| 12:29 | nengard | oops - not what i meant to do :) hehe |
| 12:29 | anyway - off to get food | |
| 12:29 | slef | lunchtime here, too |
| 12:29 | bbi45 | |
| 12:30 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5089: Add German translation of borrowerRelationship and BorrowersTitles values <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0ac663ba9c7ad40e2> / Fix for Bug 5093 - JavaScript error in IE8 when choosing authority record <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c2e6628fb544ac6be> / Bug 5092: No results when searching by LC Call Numbe |
| 12:30 | slef | kf: I think our difference in points of view is why I keep working for co-ops, rather than agreeing to be a private company employee when they ask. |
| 12:31 | I'm ill-suited to be a manager, but equally don't want to be powerless over company direction. | |
| 12:32 | kf | I think I agree most with paul_p - let us keep working on koha, stay open for everybody to contribute and make the best product out of koha |
| 12:33 | not getting distracted (that's what paul_p said earlier) | |
| 12:33 | paul_p | kf, tout à fait ! |
| 12:33 | * kf | goes to ask google translate ;) |
| 12:33 | * owen | sheds a happy tear to see that some of his long-neglected patches are getting pushed |
| 12:34 | kf | owen: I was happy to see your serial / enumchron patch :) |
| 12:36 | paul_p | just to be complete : jwagner my main disappointment was to see that 2 weeks after writing "we want a foundation, we have some propositions", there is a so "bad" thing (at the very bare minimum, something totally irrespectuous) fact |
| 12:37 | s/complete/say everything/ (frenchism detected :D) | |
| 12:37 | jwagner | paul_p, I'm not understanding |
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| 12:40 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5264 (Retain additional bibliographic subfields when merging authorities) [for... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cc09e57e3e00ee608> / Fixing non placeholder sql in UpdateGuarantees <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]72dcf10a76134c0bd> |
| 12:40 | paul_p | 2 weeks ago, your boss wrote something on the mailing lists, that has been really positively welcomed. But the new www.liblime.com website just result in a question : "why should we trust what he promised, when what he do is so irrespectfull for the community..." |
| 12:41 | bue nevermind, I repeat, as other says : you (jwagner) are not counted as responsible for your company. | |
| 12:42 | magnus | jwagner: i for one think of you and druthb as valuable parts of the community, and i hope you are both able to *not* take criticism of your employer personally. on the other hand, i do hope you understand the frustration of the community when your employer does things like acquire variants of the koha-community.org domain without pointing them to the community site, even if you are not able to say so in public |
| 12:42 | jwagner | Would you please email me with what you think is disrespectful about our corporate web site? |
| 12:42 | owen | jwagner: The new "KOHA" logo perhaps? |
| 12:43 | paul_p | jwagner, i'll probably write a blog entry about that today. Just trying not to react too quickly (it's sometimes a bad idea to react too quickly) |
| 12:44 | jwagner | magnus, I appreciate your comment, but I think you and slef and others are somewhat misunderstanding my position. You seem to assume that I disagree with everything my company does but am powerless to say so. In fact, while I have disagreed with some decisions (and argued my point internally), I am fully supportive of my company's work. I think we are doing a good job supporting our clients, |
| 12:44 | and that is our primary goal. | |
| 12:45 | We have also undertaken some massive development projects, and have submitted features to the community when they are finished. | |
| 12:46 | magnus | jwagner: well, that is a disappointment |
| 12:46 | jwagner | I personally am up to over 30 patches of my own work, independent of the development projects, all of which have been submitted. |
| 12:46 | owen | it's a shame LEK still isn't finished. |
| 12:46 | magnus | i'll shut up now and get on with my work |
| 12:46 | jwagner | owen, we inherited the contract that governs LEK and are bound by it. When that contract is completed, the LEK features will be released. |
| 12:50 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5156 - JavaScript error when adding list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3d994cfebe739eb12> / fixes bug 4385 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]72a954c05bdab8778> |
| 12:51 | kf | yay!- bug 4385 |
| 12:51 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability |
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| 13:00 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5100, Incorrect link to System Preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]276788a5fd7925153> |
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| 13:09 | reva | hi good morning all. I am reinstalling my debian as it froze on me; Have a question: do i include the two for // at the end of commands given in 1.6 of this page http://git.koha-community.org/[…];f=INSTALL.debian ? Thanks for any help. |
| 13:10 | slef | reva: looking |
| 13:10 | reva: yes | |
| 13:10 | although I think they should be single \s | |
| 13:11 | or you can put the whole command on one line with out \s | |
| 13:11 | and note they are \\ not / | |
| 13:11 | and reinstalling is a drastic way to deal with a freeze | |
| 13:11 | reva | thanks sief. ok I will, without. Got it about the \ instead of /:) |
| 13:12 | gmcharlt | I've fixed the typo |
| 13:13 | slef | ta |
| 13:14 | gmcharlt | @later tell chris I've installed libbusiness-isbn-perl on bugs to fix the false test failures |
| 13:14 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:14 | reva | I know, but you see we had tried to use synaptics and it would not let us boot into the shell again. It goes through the boot and accepts password, but stops with a blank blue screen. So have to reinstall (after trying many ways to get in) |
| 13:16 | nengard | ick! totally un related to anything here - my pup (coda) just came for some pets and she has a new growth on her neck - ick! -- and time to call the vet |
| 13:16 | gmcharlt | nengard: sorry to hear that, hope it turns out to be minor |
| 13:17 | nengard | it was last time - just a cist they had to drain |
| 13:17 | i think that was a year ago - so at least it was gone for a while | |
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| 13:18 | ivanc | nengard I'm sorry for your puppy |
| 13:18 | nengard | thanks, she doesn't seem to mind as much as I do :) hehe |
| 13:20 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'test_cases' of /home/koha/koha1/dev into to-push <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]52a476153b6054bc8> / fix typo in INSTALL.debian <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0da6588586fe1e047> / use Test::More for t/Koha.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1b499650fb6aefdcd |
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| 13:23 | briceSanc | hello all |
| 13:23 | owen | Hi briceSanc |
| 13:23 | briceSanc | it's great to see activities on Koha git :) |
| 13:24 | irma | hi all |
| 13:24 | jwagner | owen, your quote has been removed from the site. FYI, because the old site was done in Plone and was totally unusable (as many noted when LL first went to it), we have been working to transfer the site into a different environment. We are aware that there is some old content and will be cleaning that up, now that the overall site is editable. |
| 13:24 | kf | hi irma ) |
| 13:25 | owen | Thank you jwagner |
| 13:25 | slef | jwagner: I'm sorry that you feel that way. No company serves its clients well by attacking the wider community, but serving its clients is not PTFS's primary goal. As I understand US law (Dodge v Ford and so on), serving its stockholders must be PTFS's primary goal. Sometimes that may coincide with serving its clients well, but not always. Maybe we should discuss this elsewhere? |
| 13:26 | jcamins_a | gmcharlt++ # wow! |
| 13:26 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 13:26 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:26 | briceSanc | Should I wait for update my git ? |
| 13:26 | jcamins, good morning ! | |
| 13:26 | jwagner | slef, Patrick Jones will be attending KohaCon -- feel free to discuss it with him there. |
| 13:27 | And I again note that _we_ are not attacking the community, in my opinion. The community has been attacking us. | |
| 13:27 | sekjal | briceSanc: if you git pull now, you'll probably need to do it again at the end of the day, too |
| 13:27 | briceSanc | ok |
| 13:28 | sekjal, thks :) | |
| 13:28 | kf | gmcharlt is pushing patches like crazy |
| 13:28 | fun to watch :) | |
| 13:29 | jwagner | Do I understand from the meeting log that the last blockers for 3.2 have been fixed? Does this activity mean that 3.2 is finally getting finished? |
| 13:30 | slef | jwagner: does that mean you consider things like reopening koha project organisation after others had agreed, TM applications and domain registrations cannot be seen as disruptive attacks by some? |
| 13:30 | owen | Bug 3881? |
| 13:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy |
| 13:30 | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 2377 - Review tags: format date according to system preference <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0fb16874c3876023a> | |
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| 13:32 | irma | jwagner Do you like PTFS's KOHA logo? |
| 13:32 | jwagner | slef, I think there are legitimate arguments to be made on both sides. I also think it's a pity that the environment has gotten so poisonous that anything we do is viewed as suspicious and an attack. |
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| 13:33 | jwagner | irma, from what I've been told, that logo is not new. We designed it and started using well over a year ago, after the community/LibLime at that point refused to allow us to use the official Koha logo. Patrick can dig up the history on that if you want. |
| 13:33 | paul_p | irma: not sure it's a good idea to put oil on fire (frenchism detected ;-) ). And anyway, it's a kind of personal opinion "do you like this painting/music/...") |
| 13:33 | irma | jwagner Why confuse librarians worldwide by introducing 2? |
| 13:33 | slef | I keep getting "There was an error processing this form. Please try again." on http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ive-and-well.html - can anyone suggest why? |
| 13:34 | seneca | Greetings - anyone care to help me figure out a strange behavior wth report exporting that I don't understand? |
| 13:34 | paul_p | slef, I this there was an error processing you form :D :D |
| 13:34 | slef | paul_p: yeah yeah :D |
| 13:35 | jwagner: I agree it's a pity, but how does peeing in the pool more make it less poisonous? | |
| 13:36 | seneca | When trying to export the output of the report for items with no checkouts, the option to choose "to a file" is greyed out, but that option is available when exporting the output of the patrons with no checkouts report. |
| 13:36 | Is there a setting or switch I need to flip? | |
| 13:36 | owen | seneca: That is known as Bug 3946 |
| 13:36 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3946 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, can't export Items with no checkouts |
| 13:37 | seneca | ah |
| 13:37 | owen | I speculate that the "to a file" feature was never added? I don't really know. |
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| 13:37 | seneca | Is it odd that it is specified for patrons with no checkouts? |
| 13:37 | reva | hi sief do I install the packages. We are using the graphical interface. What packages would I choose so installs MySQL (with the admin module) and Perl? |
| 13:38 | slef | "Your comment has been saved and will be visible after blog owner approval." hahahaha |
| 13:38 | Drl-Ulm | Hello |
| 13:38 | slef | blogger.com now requires cookies :-( |
| 13:38 | seneca | No worries, though - I can run an export from the mysql db and be patient. Thanks! |
| 13:38 | slef | reva: look in the file in misc that has a list of packages? |
| 13:39 | * owen | wonders how much useful information leaked out of his brain to make room for Koha bugs |
| 13:39 | kf | seneca: file a bug report / enhacnement request for it |
| 13:40 | slef | owen: my brain is full of bugs. Sadly they seem to be roaches. |
| 13:41 | jcamins | @later tell SJeffery I would suggest that you might be better off using 773 for analytics, with all the work that kf is doing on linking. |
| 13:41 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:41 | reva | ok sief, i will. It has given me a a choice of sql database, web server, file server, print server (this is the gui installer; not yet in misc.) |
| 13:42 | seneca | @kf It seems that there is already a bug report for it - would adding my voice help move it up proority? |
| 13:42 | munin | seneca: Error: "kf" is not a valid command. |
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| 13:42 | reva | so do i pick these? or wait to get in and pick from the misc folder? sief |
| 13:43 | kf | seneca: a comment that the problem exists and which version you use is always good It hink |
| 13:43 | that the problem still exists... | |
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| 13:44 | kf | jcamins: I have a public repo for the linking work now and working on a file with example records |
| 13:44 | reva | by the way, I downloaded CD1. I am not sure it has all the packages. hi jcamins. |
| 13:44 | seneca | kf: Ok, I know I'm not running the newest version, so maybe I'll file it if it still exists after I upgrade... whenever that is. ;) Thanks! |
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| 13:47 | reva | do i need the file server? |
| 13:48 | slef | reva: sorry, I'm at work, so slow. I think only sql database and web server |
| 13:49 | or if only one to pick, webserver... fileserver will be things like samba | |
| 13:50 | reva | Thanks sief. |
| 13:56 | jcamins | kf: yay! |
| 13:56 | kf++ | |
| 13:57 | reva: I would suggest following the instructions. Really. | |
| 14:08 | slef | instructions to install debian can be found somewhere on http://www.debian.org/ |
| 14:09 | If the system will only do koha, a minimal install will be OK, as the Koha installation will configure the rest. | |
| 14:09 | reva | ok, I am following instructions strictly. Thanks sief and jcamins. |
| 14:10 | It is now installed with web server and sql packages. we had difficulty only when we started Perl, as far as I recall. | |
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| 14:22 | * druthb | sneaks in, hides behind jwagner. |
| 14:23 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 14:24 | reva | Am I supposed to see the ok as my response, when it has added the key to the indexdata.asc? Because that is what is on the screen after i ran the command. Anyone. |
| 14:24 | * jwagner | tells druthb THAT WON'T WORK! |
| 14:26 | slef | reva: I would guess OK is OK. |
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| 14:26 | * druthb | looks for a less-fierce place to hide. |
| 14:27 | reva | After I fetch the Koha am I to start on its installation, or wait till 2.2? (because the instruction just says to fetch it, nothing about installing it.) |
| 14:29 | slef | reva: good point. Don't start installing it, but do unpack it if you picked option B in 1.4. |
| 14:30 | the file install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh is in the koha package | |
| 14:32 | kf | druthb: you can hide behind me :) |
| 14:32 | reva | thanks sief. |
| 14:32 | * druthb | hides behind kf. |
| 14:33 | * kf | shares some cookies with her new shadow |
| 14:33 | druthb | mmmm |
| 14:34 | slef | reva: it's slef not sief |
| 14:34 | briceSanc | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5281 i have a patch |
| 14:34 | munin | 04Bug 5281: trivial, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time |
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| 14:36 | reva | sorry I cannot see very well, I kept seeing slef (correct?) as sief. |
| 14:36 | owen | Grr! Why is my page suddenly giving me a js error? "uncaught exception: Syntax error, unrecognized expression: )" |
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| 14:36 | jcamins | kf: do you know, I never noticed LDR/19? |
| 14:36 | slef | owen: mismatched parentheses |
| 14:37 | kf | jcamins: I am not sure how long it existed |
| 14:37 | jcamins: is it what I used for set? | |
| 14:37 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 14:38 | Ohhh. | |
| 14:38 | There's why. | |
| 14:38 | It was redefined in 2007. | |
| 14:38 | Our documentation is from the 80s. | |
| 14:39 | I think maybe I should campaign for a new set. | |
| 14:40 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: various improvements to t/db_dependent/VirtualShelves.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f78ec01d33b8475cc> / removed AddToShelfFromBiblio from C4::VirtualShelves <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1dbbde4fe5a7be12c> / fix test plan and false test errors in Search.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b/?p=koha.git;a=c |
| 14:41 | owen | briceSanc: Please submit your patch for bug 5281 |
| 14:41 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5281 trivial, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time |
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| 14:42 | kf | jcamins: I always use the online documentation of loc |
| 14:42 | jcamins: the german doc is available as pdf - not very handy | |
| 14:43 | reva | slef, should I be extracting it to root? or to the kohauser (another log in)? I mean would it mess up permissions if it is all extracted to root? |
| 14:44 | slef | reva: it depends but I'd do it to the kohauser. |
| 14:45 | reva | thanks, slef:) |
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| 14:47 | briceSanc | owen, could i submit tomorrow ? |
| 14:48 | owen | Of course briceSanc, I just wanted to make sure you were going to :) |
| 14:50 | jcamins | kf: yeah, I use the online one mostly, too. |
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| 14:54 | owen | Uh oh. I get the feeling hudsonbot isn't here to give us cookies. |
| 14:54 | chris_n | lol |
| 14:55 | more likely to give out coal | |
| 14:55 | kf | owen: I think he expects us to share our cookies with him |
| 14:55 | hudsonbot | Starting build 45 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #44 18 min ago) |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 14:55 | that's what he does :P | |
| 14:55 | reva | I am running the sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh; but even when I am in the extracted folder, it says no such file or directory. But I see the folder. anyone? |
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| 14:58 | * jcamins | gives hudsonbot an oatmeal coconut curry chocolate chip cookie bar as a peace offering |
| 14:59 | jcamins | kf: this is fantastic |
| 14:59 | slef | !rename hudsonbot KnechtRuprecht |
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| 15:00 | reva | ok it ran it now(my typo) It says package daemon is not available, but available from another source (It contiues to say that this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted.... package daemon has no installation candidate) |
| 15:01 | it says Package Daemon is referred to by another package. | |
| 15:01 | So should I ignore and continue on to the next step? | |
| 15:02 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (45): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 44 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/45/ |
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| 15:03 | slef | reva: you need to install package daemon to completely install koha. Do what it suggests, or put the message on the pastebin if you'd like help interpreting it. |
| 15:04 | kf | jcamins: glad you like it |
| 15:04 | reva | slef, where would I find the Package deamon to install it? I mean is it something I fetch from outside? what is the url for it? |
| 15:06 | slef | reva: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/daemon but it should be available to your package manager already. |
| 15:07 | jcamins | What does getIndexes do? |
| 15:07 | hudsonbot | Starting build 46 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #45 12 min ago) |
| 15:08 | reva | how would I install if it is already there? I mean which folder is it in, and what is the command to installing it in (inside the Koha-3.02.0-beta/misc ? |
| 15:08 | slef | hudsonbot: you are too chatty. |
| 15:08 | hudsonbot | slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'you' |
| 15:08 | Use !hudsonhelp to get help! | |
| 15:08 | slef | !hudsonhelp |
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| 15:09 | slef | reva: the command to install it is probably in install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh but I would guess: aptitude install daemon |
| 15:10 | jcamins | kf: I'm a little confused about the changes in marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql. Is this two sets of changes? |
| 15:11 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: cleanup of DB-dependent fund test cases <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]82615dda7e869ce4c> / fix typo/thinko in list test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1a1235dfa6c84eacd> |
| 15:11 | kf | jcamins: not sure what you mean, I added the $w subfields that were missing to all existing frameworks |
| 15:11 | reva | slef, so I am not getting you. so I would prepend aptitude install deamon to the install command. I am sorry, I am very new to this install from scratch. |
| 15:11 | kf | jcamins: can you give me the link what you are looking at? |
| 15:12 | jcamins | kf: http://github.com/kfischer/Koh[…]b3144958ab#L2L114 |
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| 15:13 | reva | Slef, I do not even know the path to finding the daemon package inside debian. Say I download it. I would place it in the koha3.02.0-bet/misc. What would be the command to run it at that stage? |
| 15:13 | kf | jcamins: now I am a bit confused myself |
| 15:14 | jcamins | reva: just run exactly the command that slef suggested. |
| 15:14 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (46): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 21 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/46/ |
| 15:14 | * Galen Charlton: fix typo/thinko in list test | |
| 15:14 | * Galen Charlton: cleanup of DB-dependent fund test cases | |
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| 15:14 | gmcharlt | hudsonbot: yeah, I'm working on it |
| 15:14 | hudsonbot | gmcharlt did you mean me? Unknown command 'yeah,' |
| 15:14 | Use !hudsonhelp to get help! | |
| 15:15 | kf | jcamins: those are the french marc21 frameworks, they were a copy fo the marc21 frameworks, only some item fields were named different |
| 15:15 | jcamins | Ohh. |
| 15:15 | kf | I think the changes happened when I copied some of my work over |
| 15:15 | jcamins | I see. |
| 15:15 | kf | they are not translated |
| 15:15 | I remember checking every file for differences | |
| 15:16 | some other languages don't even have copied marc21 frameworks | |
| 15:16 | reva | jcamin: I got the when I ran the "sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh", the response said the Package Daemon is not available. So I would just add the "aptitude install daemon" at the end of the "sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" ? |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | chris_n: are the label and patroncard failures in http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]#showFailuresLink also happening to you? |
| 15:17 | jcamins | reva: no, there is no prepending or appending. |
| 15:17 | Type "sudo aptitude install daemon" and press enter. | |
| 15:17 | reva | ok, jcamin: |
| 15:17 | That was supposed to be a smiley:) | |
| 15:18 | jcamins | kf++ # still reading through the bug 4506 fix |
| 15:18 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w |
| 15:19 | * kf | blushes |
| 15:19 | reva | Would I be in the misc folder? Or should I be at the root. Because I was in the misc folder when I ran the "sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" command. May be that is why it gave the message. I should have been at the root. |
| 15:19 | slef | reva: sorry, I'm at work, so time is limited. Please read the instructions, get help from tech support or maybe a local user group. |
| 15:19 | kf | jcamins++ for proof reading all those marc21 things! |
| 15:19 | slef | reva: no, it doesn't matter where you are when you run aptitude. |
| 15:20 | chris_n | gmcharlt: yup; those are most likely outdated tests |
| 15:20 | reva | ok thanks; sorry for the trouble. But you have been great help. I appreciate that, taking time out to answer a beginner. |
| 15:20 | gmcharlt | chris_n: ok - can you do the surgery to remove the obviously bogus test cases today? |
| 15:21 | chris_n | I'll get on it after lunch edt |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 15:21 | jcamins | reva: http://www.debian.org/doc/ <-- reading the documentation would help, since really all the problems you're having are with getting used to Linux and have very little to do with Koha |
| 15:22 | * chris_n | becomes the first of hudsonbot's victims... ;-) |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | chris_n: those are old failures, actually, so you're OK - we haven't yet achieved 100% test passage, so it's premature to pick on anybody for breaking the build ;) |
| 15:24 | reva | Says I neet to get 0B of package After unpacking 0B will be used. so where would I get this 0B? |
| 15:25 | jcamins | reva: that's a Linux question, but it sounds to me like you already have everything. Just try things, see what happens. The only way you get used to new software is experimenting with it. |
| 15:29 | reva | jcamins: even as I am writing I am trying various things. But to no avail. I keep getting the same message for aptitude install daemon: Need to get 0B archives. |
| 15:31 | larsw | that just means it does not need to download anything |
| 15:32 | it might, for example, have already downloaded everything, or be installing them from a CD | |
| 15:33 | reva | larsw, are you saying that to me? Yes, I installed Debian from a iso cd. But why is it not finding it? Rather where would I find it in my folders to extract it? |
| 15:33 | larsw | reva, yes, that was for you |
| 15:34 | reva | Thanks larsw: so where would I find it to unpack it? Or the command to unpack it, so that i can run aptitude install. |
| 15:34 | larsw | reva, I don't know what you're installing, but I think jcamins is right that a more general Linux (or Debian) support channel might be more helpful; you could try #debian on the irc.debian.org network, or the brand-new http://shapado.debian.net/ site |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | @later tell chris fixed permissions on the kohaversion.pl symlink to make hudson marginally happier |
| 15:35 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:35 | slef | reva: aptitude install will unpack and install it. But without seeing what aptitude responded, I don't understand what problem you are encoutnering. |
| 15:37 | reva | will log in and try to post a screen shot. Because it says No Candidate Version found for daemon. But I have to log in from that station. |
| 15:38 | jcamins | kf: I see you added display of 775. You disagree with OCLC that the only 76x-78x fields that should display are 773, 780, and 785? (see http://www.oclc.org/bibformats[…]/7xx/76x-78x.shtm ) |
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| 15:39 | jcamins | (I agree with you on that, by the way, just checking that I understand) |
| 15:40 | kf | jcamins: you ask difficult questions :) |
| 15:40 | let me check | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | That's what I'm here for. :) |
| 15:41 | Wow. kf has gone where angels fear to tread: "<!-- 490 Series traced, Ind1 = 1 -->" | |
| 15:41 | kf | where do they say it shoudl not be displayed? |
| 15:41 | jcamins | The very end of that page I linked to. |
| 15:41 | briceSanc | Does Koha support UQAM barcode ? |
| 15:41 | slef | Not by default, but support in what way? A lot more depends on your barcode hardware. |
| 15:41 | jcamins | I have long claimed that OCLC is wrong in that. |
| 15:42 | kf | I am not sure about OCLC - but I can show you a record where it makes a lot of sense |
| 15:42 | jcamins | I could show you records where it makes sense, too. ;) |
| 15:43 | kf | why would you not want to show it? |
| 15:43 | briceSanc | slef, i would like to know if Koha can generate UQAM barcode or not ? |
| 15:43 | jcamins | kf: I cannot begin to imagine why you wouldn't want to show it. OCLC is pretty ridiculous. |
| 15:44 | briceSanc | slef, but you say it's the barcode hardware who read barcode and decrypt the barcode? |
| 15:44 | slef | briceSanc: in automatic numbering, or printing? But the answer is probably that it can, but does not as released. |
| 15:44 | briceSanc: yes, the barcode hardware should just send a number to the computer. | |
| 15:44 | briceSanc | self, ok |
| 15:44 | self, thanks! | |
| 15:45 | slef | briceSanc: best situation probably would be if you also have a barcode printer which takes a number from the computer and prints the right barcode for you. |
| 15:45 | but that is less common. | |
| 15:46 | so you end up limited to what the perl barcode modules support printing. I forget their names. Check the manual. | |
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| 15:46 | slef | You can always add UQAM style if you wish and it's not there. |
| 15:47 | briceSanc | ok i will tink about that |
| 15:51 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: more test case fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9692fdd776a139603> |
| 15:52 | hudsonbot | Starting build 47 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #46 45 min ago) |
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| 15:59 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (47): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 36 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/47/ |
| 15:59 | Galen Charlton: more test case fixes | |
| 16:01 | jcamins | Wow, I thought for a moment that hudsonbot was reporting to gmcharlt that the build was working better. |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | yep, alas, hudsonbot is not automatically fixing the test cases for us |
| 16:02 | owen | Drl-Ulm: can you please also attach patches to your bug report? |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Maybe that's the next step for hudsonbot. |
| 16:04 | kf | gmcharlt: can I suggest one more patch to push? :) bug 5013 |
| 16:04 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5013 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, "New patron" menu button broken on circulation patron select screen |
| 16:04 | ivanc | bye |
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| 16:10 | * owen | spent way too much time on this: http://screencast.com/t/OkS7SHtM9 |
| 16:10 | owen | But now it has pretty color-changing buttons and it remembers the columns you chose for next time |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | owen: i love you. |
| 16:14 | in a you just fixed something that has been so broken for so long kind of way | |
| 16:14 | owen++ | |
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| 16:19 | kf | gmcharlt: thx again :) |
| 16:21 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5013: Advanced patron search category pull down broken <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]49cfef46500b6e2f8> |
| 16:22 | hudsonbot | Starting build 48 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #47 30 min ago) |
| 16:23 | jcamins | slashifyDate? |
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| 16:25 | gmcharlt | jcamins: back in the date we liked our dates in little pieces, I suppose :) |
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| 16:28 | reva | I hope my last request for including the ftp address in the file it is supposed to go in so that debian coud go fetch the daemon for itself and then I can aptitude install on it. |
| 16:28 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (48): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 16 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/48/ |
| 16:28 | Galen Charlton: Bug 5013: Advanced patron search category pull down broken | |
| 16:29 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5013 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, "New patron" menu button broken on circulation patron select screen |
| 16:29 | kf | oh no |
| 16:29 | my fault? | |
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| 16:33 | nengard | wizzyrea i'll give that patch a whirl again :) |
| 16:33 | unless someone else has | |
| 16:37 | reva | hi when I do a search file search (using my graphical interface), it finds 144 files with daemon is the name. (such as mailer-daemon, gnome-settings-daemon. exactly what daemon is Koha referring to? Does anyone here know the answer? (I have written to the debian channel, but I am not sure when I will get the answer.) |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | jcamins was going to do it after lunch, but you can try if you like |
| 16:39 | I'm feeling kind of dumb, this is like the 5th time I've tried | |
| 16:40 | owen | reva, when you type "sudo aptitude install daemon" and hit enter, what happens? Are you presented with a question, "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]" ? |
| 16:41 | reva | Also I used the "install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" from inside the misc folder found in koh-3.02.0-beta. Could that be the reason it is not finding the daemon. (I am logged in as root, but installing Koha in usr named Kohauser.) |
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| 16:42 | chris_n | cool... fixing a test actually showed up a bug in real code |
| 16:43 | owen | reva, when you type "sudo aptitude install daemon" and hit enter, what happens? Are you presented with a question, "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]" ? |
| 16:43 | reva | owen. Debian does not understand sudo it only speaks su. and I switched to su root and entered the root password. So I do not need the sudo in front of the commands. Anyway, the answer to your question is "no, it does not come up with a dialog. with [Y/N]? |
| 16:45 | owen | What does it say when you type "aptitude install daemon" and hit enter? |
| 16:48 | reva | I get "Building dependency tree. Reading state information. bzip already newest version." and then it says , Package daemon (that is referred to by another package is not available). That is for "install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh". when I do "aptitude install daemon" after saying initializing this and that, it says No candidate version found. and it says . |
| 16:48 | nengard | wizzyrea - done - in a confusing way - but done :) |
| 16:50 | reva | sorry owen, my line got long: so with aptitude install daemon command it adds the info that Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.Writing extended state information... Done |
| 16:51 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Followup to Bug 4305: multiple ISBNS in biblioitems.isbn breaks patron <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]31d7aff71f9a23e6c> / fix invalid invocation of GetBranches in test case <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]38e657dc7142c7696> |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | oh dear |
| 16:51 | care to elaborate? | |
| 16:51 | was it broken? | |
| 16:51 | * wizzyrea | moans that she can't do anything right lately |
| 16:51 | reva | owen, so slef here informed me that I must already have the daemon in the packaged archives, so no need to download it. |
| 16:52 | owen | reva: I wold interpret "done" and meaning you don't need to do more with that step. |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | j/k :) |
| 16:52 | reva | owen, so I can proceed to the next step and see? |
| 16:52 | hudsonbot | Starting build 49 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #48 30 min ago) |
| 16:52 | nengard | wizzyrea - i was broken :) |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 16:53 | nengard | I formatted the patch wrong and had to resend :) |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | lol YAY |
| 16:53 | owen | reva: Yes, and you should do so without asking for permission each time |
| 16:53 | nengard | your patch was perfect - or at least it did what it was supposed to do :) |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | WOO HOO |
| 16:53 | * wizzyrea | gets unnecessarily excited about these thigns |
| 16:53 | reva | ok owen:) Just timid about wrecking anything and having to start over; this is our second try:(. |
| 16:54 | * owen | reads wizzyrea's typo as "gets unnecessarily excited about these thighs" |
| 16:56 | owen | If I do a search using this CCL: "fic:1", where is zebra looking in the MARC record for that data? |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 16:57 | I can't say I have even once been unnecessarily excited about these thighs | |
| 16:57 | ...far from it, even | |
| 16:58 | jcamins | owen: 008/33? (guessing) |
| 16:59 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (49): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 29 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/49/ |
| 16:59 | * Galen Charlton: fix invalid invocation of GetBranches in test case | |
| 16:59 | * Galen Charlton: Followup to Bug 4305: multiple ISBNS in biblioitems.isbn breaks patron | |
| 16:59 | gmcharlt | owen: jcamins is right |
| 16:59 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13 |
| 16:59 | owen | Thanks gmcharlt and jcamins |
| 16:59 | gmcharlt | ah, I see we have bots talking to each other |
| 17:01 | jcamins | Communication is important, especially for bots. ;) |
| 17:01 | Apparently that's why bots are supposed to use /notice | |
| 17:02 | (we had this issue on another one of my channels) | |
| 17:02 | owen is now known as owen-away | |
| 17:05 | jwag_mtg is now known as jwagner | |
| 17:05 | * druthb | hides behind jwagner, since kf went away |
| 17:06 | * jwagner | says, "what did I tell you earlier???" |
| 17:07 | * druthb | goes :P at jwagner. |
| 17:11 | reva | well someone corrected the double \\ to single. But in the second line of that command it should be Memorize (the r is missing.) |
| 17:12 | gmcharlt | reva: no, it is indeed Memoize |
| 17:12 | hdl1 | gmcharlt: any hint about the choice of hudson compared to smolder ? |
| 17:12 | gmcharlt | hdl1: ask chris, he set it up |
| 17:13 | but seems to work well enough | |
| 17:13 | hdl1 | thanks gmcharlt. I thought you might have been part of the discusion. |
| 17:13 | indeed. | |
| 17:14 | reva | gmchart, thanks, no wonder the command seemed to produce this after screens full of stuff : Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Writing extended state information... Done |
| 17:14 | So I will recorrect it and run. I thought it was a typo. | |
| 17:15 | hdl1 | thanks for fixing tests. |
| 17:16 | Well time to call it a day | |
| 17:18 | reva | sorry, the paste from the past:). Anyhow, I ran it with the Memoize. But it still says: |
| 17:20 | Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good Writing Makefile for Locale::Currency::Format TNGUYEN/Locale-Currency-Format-1.28.tar.gz make -- NOT OK Warning (usually harmless) and it adds.. | |
| 17:20 | 'YAML' not installed, will not store persistent state Running make test Can't test without successful make Running make install Make had returned bad status, install seems impossible. | |
| 17:20 | wizzyrea | druthb: you can always hide behind me, too |
| 17:20 | hdl1 left #koha | |
| 17:21 | druthb | good. |
| 17:21 | * druthb | runs over and hides behind wizzyrea. |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | I have a mean snarl. And I'm not afraid of baseball bats |
| 17:21 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4472 Fix how are injected into XSL files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b52cef9f77279ed83> |
| 17:22 | reva | So what went wrong? or was it ok, nevertheless? Anyone? |
| 17:22 | hudsonbot | Starting build 50 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #49 30 min ago) |
| 17:24 | jcamins | Poor hudsonbot is going to collapse from exhaustion if gmcharlt keeps on at this rate. Heck, I might collapse from sympathetic exhaustion with all that gmcharlt's been committing! |
| 17:25 | * wizzyrea | gives gmcharlt a cup of coffee and some caffiene mints |
| 17:26 | reconsiders, posts gmcharlt some chamomile tea, for after. | |
| 17:28 | chris_n | gmcharlt: patches to fix all outstanding labels test bugs may be picked up here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]/heads/k_bug_5284 |
| 17:29 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (50): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 19 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/50/ |
| 17:29 | Galen Charlton: Bug 4472 Fix how are injected into XSL files | |
| 17:29 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4472 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation |
| 17:31 | gmcharlt | chris_n++ |
| 17:31 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5284' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aa965094b21d3d0ba> / Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]be1c01c10c726cbf2> / Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/pa |
| 17:32 | reva | I get the cpan> command prompt when i typed cpan at my root prompt. I ran the o config init, and it says commit: wrote /etc/perl/cpan/config.pm. So when I initialized cpan, do I run the long command for CheckDigits, currency at this prompt? |
| 17:37 | hudsonbot | Starting build 51 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #50 15 min ago) |
| 17:39 | chris | can 51 get us into single figures |
| 17:39 | reva | oh, well. I have tried twice. I am not cracking the code and i get stuck in the same place. So I guess I fall back on installing my Live CD Koha 3.0.6 and then may be I can make upgrade from there to 3.2 one day. Sigh:(! |
| 17:39 | chris | Latest Test Result (11 failures / -1) |
| 17:39 | was 50 | |
| 17:40 | owen-away | Hi chris |
| 17:40 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 17:40 | gmcharlt | chris: depending on timing 51 should bring it down to 1 or 0 |
| 17:40 | 52 should catch them all if not | |
| 17:41 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5284' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6075729ffdca6bb4a> / Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e817bb04c9d2208bb> |
| 17:43 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (51): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 11 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/51/ |
| 17:43 | * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests | |
| 17:43 | * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests | |
| 17:43 | * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests | |
| 17:43 | * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests | |
| 17:43 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5284 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests |
| 17:44 | jcamins | 1 failure. |
| 17:44 | chris_n | k hudsonbot, play it again |
| 17:44 | jcamins | So close. |
| 17:44 | chris_n | that will resolve next run |
| 17:45 | chris | in 7 mins or so |
| 17:45 | chris_n | still awake? :-) |
| 17:46 | chris | went back to sleep |
| 17:46 | reva | hi I am still trying to continue though it said "install seems impossible". Now I did not do any dselect command. So how would I reset the password for mysqladmin. |
| 17:48 | jcamins | reva: did you actually try that step? |
| 17:52 | hudsonbot | Starting build 52 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #51 15 min ago) |
| 17:55 | reva | what do you mean jcamins? yes, when I type in sudo mysqladmin password <password>, replaced <password> with a chosen password (without the angle brackets), but it says command not found. Even when I add the sudo in front of it (I am logged in as root; so did not have to running any so far.) |
| 17:56 | it thinks mysqladmin is the command. I searched for a file or folder called mysqladmin, but I found others with mysql in the name, but mysqladmin. | |
| 17:56 | jcamins | reva: try running this command: |
| 17:56 | apt-get install mysql-client | |
| 17:56 | reva | ok, i will; |
| 17:57 | jcamins | Then try the step again. |
| 17:58 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (52): FAILURE in 5 min 24 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/52/ |
| 17:58 | Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests | |
| 17:58 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5284 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests |
| 17:58 | chris | oh noes, failure |
| 17:59 | nengard | okay - this may have been answered- but who is this hudsonbot? |
| 17:59 | chris_n | ouch |
| 17:59 | chris | http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ |
| 17:59 | chris_n | sup with that? |
| 17:59 | chris | we have clouds |
| 17:59 | reva | jcamins, I get this when I ran the command: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out ... |
| 17:59 | chris | its the test bot, and it will blame the ppl who caused the failure ... its a meany |
| 18:00 | nengard | it's honest :) |
| 18:00 | chris | PANIC: could not determine stream at /usr/share/perl/5.10/App/Prove.pm line 496 |
| 18:00 | not your problem chris_n | |
| 18:00 | reva | ... of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mysql-client: Depends: mysql-client-5.0 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages. jcamins, that all of the msg i get when I ran the command. |
| 18:00 | chris_n | hudson bug? |
| 18:01 | chris | oh maybe it is |
| 18:01 | Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output | |
| 18:02 | chris_n | that patch removed the test file entirely |
| 18:02 | chris | t/db_dependent/Patroncards (Wstat: 512 Tests: 0 Failed: 0) Non-zero exit status: 2 Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output |
| 18:02 | Files=42, Tests=878, 249.667 wallclock secs ( 0.45 usr 0.26 sys + 232.04 cusr 6.46 csys = 239.21 CPU) | |
| 18:02 | Result: FAIL | |
| 18:02 | chris_n | hmm.... |
| 18:02 | chris | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]lastBuild/console |
| 18:02 | end of the output here | |
| 18:04 | yeah its not there, but its still trying to run it it looks like | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | reva: I have no explanation. |
| 18:04 | This is a Linux problem. | |
| 18:05 | I was able to follow the instructions that you have exactly and at the end Koha worked perfectly. | |
| 18:05 | (that is, this is not a problem with Linux-the-system, but a problem for Linux experts) | |
| 18:05 | chris_n | chris: does hudson make clean every time? |
| 18:06 | owen | reva: It would probably be a good idea to find someone with Linux experience who can sit down with you and help you through the process |
| 18:06 | chris_n | the log does not say |
| 18:06 | Drl-Ulm | but, Linux is perfect! ;) |
| 18:06 | chris | chris_n: that might be the problem lemme explicitly make it |
| 18:06 | and kick off a new build | |
| 18:07 | reva | ok, jcamins:) I tried and you definitely tried to help. I have a couple of people who answered on the daemon package and what to insert in the sources.list file. Let me start at the point. |
| 18:07 | jcamins | Drl-Ulm: Linux provides all the tools you need for perfection. However, perfection is a state of mind, not a place. ;) |
| 18:08 | reva | Owen, I have tried, Begged, cajoled, and whatever other artifice I can muster. Now I am in Antigua and there seems to be a paucity on IT experitse (let alone linux expertise).:) |
| 18:08 | Drl-Ulm | Of course! |
| 18:09 | chris_n | chris: the log is unclear, but I'll bet hudson is not cleaning up from the previous build |
| 18:09 | chris | hudsonbot: !build |
| 18:09 | hudsonbot | chris did you mean me? Unknown command '!build' |
| 18:09 | Use !hudsonhelp to get help! | |
| 18:09 | chris | !hudsonhelp |
| 18:09 | hudsonbot | Available commands: |
| 18:09 | abort <job> - specify which job to abort | |
| 18:09 | alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases | |
| 18:09 | botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom | |
| 18:09 | build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period | |
| 18:09 | comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build | |
| 18:09 | h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 18:09 | health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 18:09 | jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 18:09 | q - show the state of the build queue | |
| 18:09 | queue - show the state of the build queue | |
| 18:09 | s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 18:09 | schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period | |
| 18:09 | status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 18:09 | testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 18:09 | userstat <username> - prints information about a Hudson user | |
| 18:09 | reva | So jcamins, since your install went so smoothly, how about a vacation in Antigua (it has 365 beaches) and you can install our set up?:) |
| 18:09 | gmcharlt | hudsonbot: build now |
| 18:09 | hudsonbot | gmcharlt: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' |
| 18:09 | gmcharlt | hudsonbot: build Koha now |
| 18:09 | hudsonbot | gmcharlt: job Koha build scheduled now |
| 18:09 | Starting build 53 for job Koha (previous build: FAILURE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #51 31 min ago) | |
| 18:09 | chris | there we go |
| 18:09 | owen | hudsonbot is trying to make a play for the top of the IRC stats list |
| 18:10 | chris | heh |
| 18:10 | jcamins | hudsonbot: if you do this right, I'll give you a cookie. |
| 18:10 | hudsonbot | jcamins did you mean me? Unknown command 'if' |
| 18:10 | Use !hudsonhelp to get help! | |
| 18:10 | cait joined #koha | |
| 18:10 | chris_n | hudsonbot: status Koha |
| 18:11 | hudsonbot | Koha(BUILDING: 1 min 18 sec and counting): last build: 52 (18 min ago): FAILURE: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/52/ |
| 18:11 | cait | re #koha |
| 18:11 | chris_n | hudsonbot: health Koha |
| 18:11 | hudsonbot | Koha(BUILDING: 1 min 40 sec and counting): Health [Build stability: 1 out of the last 5 builds failed.(80%): http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/52/ |
| 18:11 | chris_n | hudsonbot: botsnack cookie |
| 18:11 | hudsonbot | chris_n: great! yum yum. I could eat cookie all day long |
| 18:12 | druthb | hudsonbot: botsnack Rice Krispie Treats |
| 18:12 | hudsonbot | druthb: thanks a lot! om nom nom. how did you know that Rice Krispie Treats is my favorite food? |
| 18:12 | * druthb | giggles a little |
| 18:13 | druthb | @roulette |
| 18:13 | munin | *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 18:13 | * munin | reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 18:13 | druthb | hmp |
| 18:14 | chris | munin isnt opped, cant kick |
| 18:14 | munin | chris: Error: "isnt" is not a valid command. |
| 18:14 | druthb | so I see. |
| 18:14 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (53): STILL FAILING in 5 min 9 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/53/ |
| 18:15 | druthb | @roulette |
| 18:15 | munin | druthb: *click* |
| 18:15 | druthb | @roulette |
| 18:15 | munin | druthb: *click* |
| 18:15 | druthb | @roulette |
| 18:15 | munin | druthb: *click* |
| 18:15 | druthb | rats |
| 18:15 | * cait | takes the gun away from druthb |
| 18:15 | cait | no! |
| 18:16 | * druthb | pouts |
| 18:16 | chris | Can't open perl script "t/db_dependent/Patroncards": No such file or directory |
| 18:16 | t/db_dependent/Patroncards .......... | |
| 18:16 | chris_n | hudson appears to be specifically retesting previously failed tests |
| 18:17 | chris | something must be referencing it |
| 18:17 | chris_n | can we force him to start over? |
| 18:17 | + prove_cover t/ t/db_dependent/ t/db_dependent/Labels t/db_dependent/Patroncards --harness=TAP::Harness::JUnit | |
| 18:17 | here it specifically calls for the Patroncards tests | |
| 18:18 | just after exporting the envars | |
| 18:18 | chris | ahh ha |
| 18:18 | good spotting | |
| 18:18 | * chris | fixes |
| 18:19 | hudsonbot | Starting build 54 for job Koha (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last STILL UNSTABLE #51 41 min ago) |
| 18:19 | chris | fingers crossed! |
| 18:19 | then it will stop messaging me blaming you :) | |
| 18:19 | chris_n | hehe |
| 18:19 | chris | 07:23 -!- Irssi: Starting query in bugs with hudsonbot |
| 18:20 | 07:23 <hudsonbot> Nighswonger | |
| 18:20 | chris_n | that is, however, a very cool feature |
| 18:21 | chris | it sure is |
| 18:21 | when its more happy | |
| 18:21 | owen left #koha | |
| 18:21 | chris | i can make it email people |
| 18:21 | when their commit breaks tests, it will send them an email | |
| 18:21 | Drl-Ulm | Bye! |
| 18:21 | Drl-Ulm left #koha | |
| 18:22 | jcamins | chris: I think you scared Drl-Ulm away with your talk of threatening e-mails from hudsonbot. |
| 18:22 | chris | if ths shoe fits ... *grin* |
| 18:23 | the nice thing is, a bot is a lot easier to not take personally | |
| 18:23 | owen joined #koha | |
| 18:23 | chris | wb owen |
| 18:23 | jcamins: so it can be meaner than a person can, if that makes sense | |
| 18:24 | jcamins | True. |
| 18:24 | chris | gmcharlt: just got an email from one of the spanish translators |
| 18:24 | * jcamins | thinks his commits had better not break the build, though ;) |
| 18:24 | chris | he has updated the spanish file |
| 18:24 | ill commit and let you know | |
| 18:25 | hudsonbot | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 18:25 | Project Koha build (54): FIXED in 6 min 5 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/54/ | |
| 18:25 | chris | we made the bot happy!! |
| 18:25 | gmcharlt | Yippie? heh |
| 18:25 | owen | So these tests... They are something we should be doing when we change something? |
| 18:26 | chris | that would be awesome owen |
| 18:26 | chris_n | hudsonbot: botsnack 1 dz cookies |
| 18:26 | hudsonbot | chris_n: yummy! how did you know that 1 dz cookies is my favorite food? |
| 18:26 | owen | Okay... How? :) |
| 18:26 | * owen | doesn't know how it works |
| 18:27 | jcamins | hudsonbot: botsnack curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies |
| 18:27 | chris | how about we schedule a tutorial on irc eh? |
| 18:27 | hudsonbot | jcamins: yummy! I could eat curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies all day long |
| 18:28 | rhcl | @rulette hudsonbot |
| 18:28 | munin | rhcl: Error: "rulette" is not a valid command. |
| 18:28 | jcamins | Whoops, I meant cookie bars, but hopefully hudsonbot doesn't mind. |
| 18:28 | rhcl | @roulette hudsonbot |
| 18:28 | munin | rhcl: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will. |
| 18:28 | rhcl | munin: shoot hudsonbot |
| 18:28 | munin | rhcl: Error: "shoot" is not a valid command. |
| 18:29 | gmcharlt | owen: assuming a normal development setup, you can just do |
| 18:29 | prove t | |
| 18:29 | cait | tutorial++ |
| 18:29 | gmcharlt | and, assuming it's a deve database and you don't mind a little script of scribbling |
| 18:29 | prove t/db_dependent | |
| 18:30 | jcamins | Oh, sugar. |
| 18:30 | Without cait's patch for bug 4506, Koha doesn't display 490/830 at all. | |
| 18:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w |
| 18:31 | cait | jcamins: there is a patch from owen I think |
| 18:31 | removing the indicator check | |
| 18:33 | jcamins | Oh, wait. |
| 18:34 | owen | Thanks gmcharlt. I guess the tutorial is needed to explain what do with the test results |
| 18:34 | jcamins | I flipped my indicators. |
| 18:34 | cait | and how to write new tests |
| 18:34 | chris | yeah |
| 18:35 | cait | bug 2704 |
| 18:35 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 440 Display Issues |
| 18:36 | reva left #koha | |
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| 18:40 | cait | another good 3.2 candidate |
| 18:40 | Braedon joined #koha | |
| 18:43 | * chris_n | votes for a more graceful way of handling new deps on installs running over git |
| 18:45 | chris | well you can run the deps checker |
| 18:45 | jcamins | gmcharlt++ |
| 18:45 | chris | as a .git hook |
| 18:45 | ok, gotta head to work | |
| 18:45 | will talk on the bus | |
| 18:45 | gmcharlt: will push the es.po update when i get to work, but dont let that stop you if you beat me getting rc1 ready | |
| 18:46 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 18:46 | gmcharlt | chris: there's time enough for the es-ES update |
| 18:46 | chris | sweet |
| 18:46 | cait | @karma gmcharlt |
| 18:46 | munin | cait: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 169 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 166. |
| 18:48 | * chris | wanders out to the bus |
| 18:48 | chris | brb |
| 18:51 | schuster | vaguely remembers this same conversation about 3 weeks ago about training information for building tests... :) with wizzyrea! Only she may get some first hand information at KohaCon... wish I could go :( |
| 18:51 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Another fix for Bug 2704, 440 Display Issues <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ac6782ea1d86c5516> |
| 18:52 | schuster | by all off to visit a couple of libraries... |
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| 18:52 | wizzyrea | jcamins: http://coconutlime.blogspot.co[…]pkin-cookies.html |
| 18:52 | hudsonbot | Starting build 55 for job Koha (previous build: FIXED) |
| 18:53 | jcamins | wizzyrea: mmmm. Sounds tasty. |
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| 18:55 | jcamins | I would like a script that automatically merges identical authorities. |
| 18:55 | Does such a thing exist yet? | |
| 18:55 | chris | On the bus and its another gorgeous day |
| 18:55 | jcamins | chris: then clearly you are still in NZ and did not somehow teleport to NYC. |
| 18:56 | chris | Heh |
| 18:56 | I have a soft spot for nyc | |
| 18:56 | I would never have met my wife if I hadn't wanted to visit nyc | |
| 18:59 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (55): SUCCESS in 6 min 23 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/55/ |
| 18:59 | Galen Charlton: Another fix for Bug 2704, 440 Display Issues | |
| 18:59 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 440 Display Issues |
| 18:59 | chris | Yay 2 in a row |
| 18:59 | The sun will come out on huson soon | |
| 19:00 | I do like the little weather graphic | |
| 19:05 | Its tempting to get off the bus and sit in the sun vs aircon office | |
| 19:06 | cait | :) |
| 19:06 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 19:06 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on October 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:07 | chris | Not a cloud in the sky cait |
| 19:07 | cait | :) |
| 19:07 | so I don't have to pack so many warm clothes? | |
| 19:08 | chris | Layers! |
| 19:08 | cait | okok |
| 19:08 | layers | |
| 19:08 | chris | Hehe |
| 19:08 | * cait | takes a note to buy layers... |
| 19:09 | cait | hm |
| 19:09 | chris_n | chris: which hook would you suggest for dep checking? |
| 19:10 | post-receive and post-update don't seem to work as expected | |
| 19:10 | chris | What ever gets called by a rebase or merge |
| 19:10 | * chris | doesn't know off the top of his head |
| 19:11 | jwagner | my current head server is complaining about not having Business/ISBN.pm -- does anyone know offhand if there are other new Perl dependencies? |
| 19:11 | cait | jcamins: apple crumble? |
| 19:11 | chris_n | maybe post-merge |
| 19:12 | chris | Yeah sounds likely |
| 19:13 | Heh someone just got off the bus and said | |
| 19:13 | chris_n | jwagner: that's it atm |
| 19:13 | chris | "It was a privilege to ride with you" to the driver |
| 19:13 | * chris_n | is working on a git hook to alert for changes in deps |
| 19:13 | chris | You get some good thank yous on a nice day like this |
| 19:14 | Oh yeah in wellington we usually say thanks to the driver when getting off the bus | |
| 19:14 | Kohacon tip #1342 | |
| 19:15 | If you wanna look like a local | |
| 19:15 | Say cheers driver | |
| 19:15 | Or chur :) | |
| 19:16 | sekjal | chris: good to know, thanks! |
| 19:16 | briceSanc | I've a problem with koha3.2b, i unable to see the fr_CA translate in the display location of koha-news.pl |
| 19:16 | in the display location option select | |
| 19:18 | chris | Ok my stop |
| 19:18 | Bbs | |
| 19:19 | briceSanc | what do koha needs to see a translation ? |
| 19:19 | cait | the translation installed? |
| 19:19 | briceSanc | yes |
| 19:20 | cait | and activated in sys prefs? |
| 19:20 | briceSanc | yes |
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| 19:27 | chris | back |
| 19:27 | ebegin | briceSanc, the C4/Languages/getTranslatedLanguages returns the language to display in the list |
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| 19:27 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
| 19:29 | chris | @later tell lee congrats! |
| 19:29 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | @later tell lee WOO HOO!!! Way to go on 3.2!! |
| 19:30 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:32 | chris | http://leephillips2.wordpress.[…]-3-2-test-server/ |
| 19:32 | cait | aaah |
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| 19:43 | jcamins | cait: if that was an offer, I never say no to apple crumble. ;) |
| 19:44 | cait | I was thinking about making some - but not sure it's a good idea |
| 19:45 | already late here :( | |
| 19:45 | jcamins | I baked my cookie bars at 10pm last night. |
| 19:48 | cait | hm |
| 19:50 | chris | gmcharlt: testing the spanish file now |
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| 19:52 | chris | seem ok, committed now, so feel free to pull whenever you want |
| 19:57 | briceSanc | ebegin, yes but it can't return the fr_CA |
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| 20:17 | * chris_n | heads out |
| 20:20 | jcamins | ASFDLKJAFSDLKASFDLKNQTuihgjkasgdnsvkl;klsfdlasmksdlkmasd |
| 20:21 | Argh! | |
| 20:22 | For the record, the simultaneous use of MARC-8 and UTF-8 in catalogs is a profoundly bad idea. | |
| 20:22 | chris | im pretty the use of MARC-8 is a bad idea ;) |
| 20:22 | pretty sure too | |
| 20:22 | hudsonbot | Starting build 56 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:22 | jcamins | Well, yes. |
| 20:23 | This is just bizarre, though. | |
| 20:24 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'translation' of git://git.workbuffer.org/git/koha into master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]78efd5b05495ba8c6> / Updated spanish files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6a9c95eb5af942a53> |
| 20:24 | jcamins | I appear to have found a record that breaks MarcEdit. |
| 20:24 | And the Normal display in the Staff Client. | |
| 20:25 | chris | youch |
| 20:25 | jcamins | http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]blionumber=103298 |
| 20:26 | Strangely the last two letters in Khatt display as capital 'U's with umlauts in the Staff Client normal view. | |
| 20:26 | chris | is one xslt and one not? |
| 20:26 | jcamins | I'm pretty sure I'm using XSLT with both. |
| 20:26 | I'll check. | |
| 20:27 | * chris | always go for easy answers first |
| 20:27 | jcamins | Yeah, using XSLT. |
| 20:27 | I'll try disabling that, see what happens. | |
| 20:27 | Okay, font issue. | |
| 20:28 | Wait. | |
| 20:29 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (56): SUCCESS in 6 min 22 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/56/ |
| 20:29 | Chris Cormack: Updated spanish files | |
| 20:29 | jcamins | Now it works fine with the XSLT enabled. |
| 20:29 | chris | heh, |
| 20:29 | i hate bugs like that | |
| 20:30 | jcamins | Well, except for the fact that the letters are bold. But I'm willing to overlook the fact that they are pulled from a different font. |
| 20:30 | I think maybe it's just time to call it a day. | |
| 20:32 | chris | :) |
| 20:37 | jcamins | Yeah, definitely. |
| 20:37 | Good night, #koha. | |
| 20:37 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 20:39 | chris | cya jcamins_a |
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| 20:46 | irmaB | g'morning all |
| 20:46 | chris | hi irmaB |
| 20:47 | irmaB | what a day yesterday |
| 20:49 | chris | wasnt a lot of fun thats for sure |
| 20:49 | still its over now, and onwards and upwards | |
| 20:49 | irmaB | amazing number of commits was the highlight! |
| 20:50 | yep..Keep Smiling! | |
| 20:59 | cait | Colin: I can reproduce the date problem - will file a bug report |
| 20:59 | chris | bug_reports++ |
| 21:01 | sekjal | goodnight, #koha! |
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| 21:15 | Braedon | @wunder auckland |
| 21:15 | munin | Braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:15 | chris | sent your cv yet Braedon ? |
| 21:15 | :) | |
| 21:16 | heya LBA | |
| 21:16 | Braedon | ooo, no |
| 21:16 | damn | |
| 21:16 | rich-away is now known as richard | |
| 21:16 | Braedon | had solid assignments for like 2 months |
| 21:16 | (and ongoing) | |
| 21:16 | totally forgot about that | |
| 21:17 | chris | still worth sending one :) |
| 21:17 | Braedon | sight |
| 21:17 | sigh* | |
| 21:17 | 3 assignments remaining in my uni career | |
| 21:17 | friday, monday, friday | |
| 21:18 | i will try and remember to write up a cover letter tuesday | |
| 21:20 | chris | fabulous |
| 21:21 | Braedon | i take it i should address it to the 'mike' in the email link - does he have a last name? |
| 21:21 | actually, would that be Mike )'Connor? | |
| 21:21 | O'Connor* | |
| 21:22 | chris | thats the one |
| 21:22 | make sure you mention Koha :) | |
| 21:24 | robin | to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :) |
| 21:25 | chris | lol |
| 21:25 | Braedon | haha |
| 21:26 | chris | @quote add < robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :) |
| 21:26 | munin | chris: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 21:26 | Braedon | it's a rebellion! |
| 21:27 | chris | @quote add < robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :) |
| 21:27 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #95 added. |
| 21:28 | Braedon | and quashed. That was close |
| 21:31 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
| 21:31 | Braedon | hmm. which is going to be easier - writing a client-cache-server in one night in java with sockets or rmi? |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | what if you say Koha and system administration, how about that >.> |
| 21:37 | hudsonbot | Starting build 57 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:39 | robin | chris: I'd change that message to be: "This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: Great Success!" |
| 21:40 | (ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs) | |
| 21:40 | chris | :) |
| 21:42 | Braedon | isn't it "huge success"? |
| 21:43 | robin | right you are, it's been a while since I've beaten Portal :) |
| 21:43 | * robin | wants to go home and play it now actually :) |
| 21:43 | * Braedon | takes off his pedantic hat |
| 21:43 | wants portal 2 | |
| 21:44 | robin | I still have yet to finish HL2 Ep2, I'm stuck right near the end. |
| 21:44 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (57): SUCCESS in 6 min 33 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/57/ |
| 21:44 | * Galen Charlton: bug 4472: in a hackish fashion, quiet warnings about DOCTYPE in the XSLT | |
| 21:44 | * Galen Charlton: add explicit type to <input> elements missing it | |
| 21:44 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4472 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation |
| 21:44 | robin | Maybe I should deal to that this weekend. |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | oooooo success! |
| 21:44 | Braedon | robin: sounds like a plan |
| 21:45 | chris | wizzyrea: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha/lastBuild/? |
| 21:45 | its nice and happy now | |
| 21:45 | Braedon | robin: make sure you finish it soon - you wouldn't want ep3 to come out before you do |
| 21:46 | robin | yeah, that would be pretty bad :) |
| 21:46 | Braedon | :P |
| 21:46 | it could be any day now - it is episodic after all | |
| 21:46 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: add explicit type to elements missing it <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b8354f02f00495eb> / bug 4472: in a hackish fashion, quiet warnings about DOCTYPE in the XSLT <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1f0aca4379ed129f5> |
| 21:46 | robin | well, it's only been 2 or 3 years since the last one, hasn't it? |
| 21:52 | Braedon | "The cache should provide an interface that allows the user to view the |
| 21:52 | contents of the cache’s log..." - from an assignment handout | |
| 21:53 | chris | and tail is not enough? :) |
| 21:53 | Braedon | really? what is hte point of making logs if you are viewing them in the application? |
| 21:53 | exactly | |
| 21:53 | sigh | |
| 21:53 | lazy markers | |
| 21:56 | hmm, the cache just has to provide an interface - it doesn't technically say the interface has to be part of the cache | |
| 21:56 | include a copy of more? | |
| 21:57 | chris | :) |
| 21:57 | Braedon | (or less, or tail, or any text editor) |
| 21:58 | it also needs an interface to show the list of cached files | |
| 21:58 | chris_n | nice to see the red going away on hudsonbot's graph |
| 21:58 | Braedon | ls? |
| 21:59 | chris | :) |
| 22:00 | yeah one more stable build and the sun will be out fully here http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ | |
| 22:00 | Braedon | haha |
| 22:01 | is hudson internal? never heard of it | |
| 22:02 | * Braedon | does a slightly better google search |
| 22:02 | Braedon | sorry, stupid question |
| 22:03 | chris | it was originally for java, but is well versatile enough to use for anything |
| 22:04 | continious integration testing ftw | |
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| 22:10 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
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| 22:21 | * chris_n | tries to crawl out from under the multitude of errors encountered while attempting to convert the manual from docbook to pdf :-P |
| 22:23 | chris | the images were what i ran into problesm with |
| 22:23 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha3-2manual.pdf | |
| 22:23 | was one effort | |
| 22:25 | chris_n | yeah, the image parameters in the docbook format need some fixing up |
| 22:25 | that's what I ran into last time | |
| 22:26 | as well | |
| 22:28 | pre-sizing them would help as well | |
| 22:28 | * chris_n | wonders if it will end up in a battle of formats |
| 22:29 | chris_n | ie what works for the web doesn't for pdf, and vice-versa |
| 22:33 | chris | yeah |
| 22:33 | chris_n | images need to be 300x300dpi if it ever goes to print |
| 22:33 | bbl | |
| 22:43 | darling | we (me and wizzyrea) never did sort out the apache rewrites to make those pages tidy as possible under wordpress -- is still on my 'do this' list |
| 22:45 | cait | good night #koha |
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| 23:20 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Tighten system call to unzip <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b2489a891a86c215c> |
| 23:22 | hudsonbot | Starting build 58 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 23:28 | Project Koha build (58): SUCCESS in 6 min 12 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/58/ | |
| 23:28 | Galen Charlton: Tighten system call to unzip | |
| 23:50 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: further correction to the invocation of unzip <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a518e6669d172cd8f> |
| 23:52 | hudsonbot | Starting build 59 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 23:58 | Project Koha build (59): SUCCESS in 6 min 15 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/59/ | |
| 23:58 | Galen Charlton: further correction to the invocation of unzip |
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