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| 02:07 | brendan | evening #koha |
| 02:07 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 02:07 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 22.1�C (7:10 PM PDT on September 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:11 | jcamins | Good evening. |
| 02:11 | In case you were ever wondering, by the way, making pasta by hand really does take ages. | |
| 02:16 | However, it might be worth it anyway. | |
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| 10:30 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 15:26 | mac2 | Hi #koha, anyone know a good tutorial to setup Koha on server? The documentation seems to focus more in configuration after Koha running.. |
| 15:27 | Prefered Koha 3.2 tutorial. | |
| 15:28 | cait | mac2: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ion_Documentation |
| 15:29 | mac2 | you mean that 'Debian squeeze"? |
| 15:29 | cait | all tutorials there can help you, depending on the os you want to use |
| 15:30 | most used is debian and similar, like ubuntu | |
| 15:30 | there are also tutorials in koha | |
| 15:30 | files called INSTALL.* | |
| 15:31 | mac2 | ic. my bad. thanks |
| 15:31 | cait | no problem, I hope the tutorials are helpful for you |
| 15:31 | there might be more | |
| 15:32 | mac2 | linux installation process different alot from windows |
| 15:32 | all need command | |
| 15:33 | cait | yes |
| 15:33 | but linux is the better choice | |
| 15:33 | mac2 | hope someday linux will be more user friendly when come to installation |
| 15:33 | cait | I think some people managed to install koha under windoes, but it's very complicated and there might appear problems nobody can help you with |
| 15:34 | it's not that bad, once you have instaled the required modules | |
| 15:34 | the installer will ask you questions and there is a web installer to install sample data and make some choices | |
| 15:34 | mac2 | I'm planning to use linux, just the process to install in windows only involve clicking 'next' whout any command. |
| 15:36 | nvm about that. just my own opinion. thanks for help. ^^ | |
| 15:36 | cait | you are welcome |
| 15:36 | mac2: where are you from? | |
| 15:36 | mac2 | Malaysia |
| 15:37 | jcamins_a | The INSTALL.debian file is very helpful. |
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| 15:38 | jcamins | It actually explains every step for installing. There just aren't many steps before configuring Koha. :) |
| 15:38 | Actually, wait. I'll give you the link to the new INSTALL.debian file with the detailed instructions. | |
| 15:39 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e8d3c59d7;hb=HEAD | |
| 15:39 | mac2: ^^ follow those instructions | |
| 15:39 | mac2 | Wow thanks! |
| 15:39 | jcamins | If you get an error installing PDF::API2::Simple, run the following: |
| 15:40 | sudo apt-get install libmodule-install-perl | |
| 15:40 | sudo cpan PDF::API2::Simple | |
| 15:40 | mac2 | Noted with thanks |
| 15:40 | jcamins | That should get you started. |
| 15:41 | Actually, you now know everything I do about installing Koha. | |
| 15:41 | mac2 | The live CD [11:45pm] <jcamins> If you get an error installing PDF::API2::Simple, run the following: |
| 15:41 | [11:46pm] <jcamins> sudo apt-get install libmodule-install-perl | |
| 15:41 | [11:46pm] <jcamins> sudo cpan PDF::API2::Simple | |
| 15:41 | [11:45pm] <jcamins> If you get an error installing PDF::API2::Simple, run the following: | |
| 15:41 | [11:46pm] <jcamins> sudo apt-get install libmodule-install-perl | |
| 15:41 | [11:46pm] <jcamins> sudo cpan PDF::API2::Simple | |
| 15:41 | ouch sorry | |
| 15:41 | [11:45pm] <jcamins> If you get an error installing PDF::API2::Simple, run the following: | |
| 15:41 | [11:46pm] <jcamins> sudo apt-get install libmodule-install-perl | |
| 15:41 | [11:46pm] <jcamins> sudo cpan PDF::API2::Simple | |
| 15:43 | The koha live CD by mizst save the trouble but unfortunately only for version 3..0.6 | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Yeah. Once the final 3.2 is released, I hope there will be a new LiveCD. |
| 15:45 | mac2 | Should I just wait for that? delaying the project for 1 month? |
| 15:45 | jcamins | I don't see why. |
| 15:45 | mac2 | because there is rumor the final version will come in the end of October |
| 15:45 | jcamins | If you can't get Koha installed then it might be worth waiting, but if you can, you might as well get started. :) |
| 15:46 | mac2 | one the final version come, we need to do the upgrade process |
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| 15:50 | reva | Hi those around, good morning. Was wondering about the OPAC suppress; I have created a new authorized value variable called Test with 0 and 1 (yes-suppress, ad no-do not suppress); Do I tie it to the table.withdrawn in 942n before turning OPAC suppression on? I am not sure which table I associate it to. |
| 15:51 | jcamins | reva: no idea, sorry. |
| 15:53 | reva | hi jcamins: I followed instructions from here http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]March/009321.html and here http://koha.org/documentation/[…]authorized-values. Thanks for responding, anyhow.:) |
| 15:53 | jcamins | reva: that is the wrong website. |
| 15:53 | The Koha website is http://koha-community.org/ | |
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| 16:10 | reva | sorry jcamins: my connection at home angstrom-turn sensitive, so cut me off. I understand the steps for OPAC suppression of a record. It is mandatory to give a list of choices in 942n before you can turn OPACASuppress to ON in Admin/Catalogin settings. |
| 16:12 | brendan | morning all |
| 16:13 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 16:14 | Huh. I've already started expecting instant-search results like with Google. | |
| 16:14 | reva | So I created a variable called TEST by going to Authorized Values. I set it to accept Yes/No (yes for Suppress, No for don't suppress) I went to MARC subfield structure edit for 942n and tied that subfield to my TEST and associated it to item.withdrawn (table/column). |
| 16:16 | cait | reva: I don't think you need to associate it with a table |
| 16:16 | and withdrawn is wrong I think | |
| 16:16 | this should be associated with a field from 952 | |
| 16:16 | hm. perhaps depends on your marc flavor - are u using UNIMARC or MARC21? | |
| 16:17 | reva | Then I turned the OPACSuppress to ON in the Admin module. When I go into my marc edit for a record, now I see that 942n has a dropdown list with "suppress", and "do not suppress".. Hi cait: so what are the steps. I mean if you don't associate the varible to look up anything, how does it work? |
| 16:17 | MARC 21 cait: | |
| 16:17 | cait | it's in the xml if you don't associate it |
| 16:18 | for items you can do that too, it will store additional item fields that are not linked to a table in xml | |
| 16:18 | most of the marc21 are not associated to something | |
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| 16:19 | cait | you can leave that blank - perhaps relink it to the right 952 field |
| 16:20 | looking at the link I think you need to turn on opacsuppression and add your authorized value to 942 - or enter 0 and 1 in 942 in cataloging directly | |
| 16:20 | reva | Ok, so I am trying to tell the OPAC not to display particular records which have the 942n set to something. So what do I do? (I am sorry I do not what xml is and how it helps me.) |
| 16:21 | I read it OPAC suppress is tied to 942n. | |
| 16:21 | cait | yes |
| 16:22 | leave the koha link blnak | |
| 16:22 | in your cataloging framework | |
| 16:23 | you don't need it | |
| 16:23 | reva | ok, I think on 2nd reading I am getting what you said on it storing it in xml for additional fields in xml. |
| 16:23 | cait | and you deleted the original linking by using withdrawn, that's what I wanted to make you aware of |
| 16:23 | the database will store the value, even if there is no koha link | |
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| 16:25 | reva | Ok, It did not have any association when I started. But there was no variable with authorized values either in 942n. So I will go and change it now: remove the association table.withdrawn and see what it does. |
| 16:25 | cait | reva: and I tink your values must be not yes and no but 1 and 0 |
| 16:26 | TIP: Sometimes it's easier if you create an authorized value entitled 'SUPPRESS' with two values: 0 for don't suppress and 1 for suppress. Linking this authorized value to the 942$n field will make it so that catalogers can pick one of these two values. | |
| 16:26 | reva | I put in 1 for Yes and 0 for No. Le me make sure. |
| 16:27 | cait | you don't need an authorized value - it's only a help for the catalogers |
| 16:27 | I think this is all you need to set up | |
| 16:27 | I read that you have to suppress at least one title to make it work | |
| 16:29 | reva | I read the same thing. And I found a cryptic instruction on how to give the 942n a dropdown list so you can set it. That is where I set 0 for "do not suppress" and 1 for "suppress" in my TEST variable by creating a new Authorized Value. |
| 16:30 | Should I not have picked Yes/No for the type of variable (from the choices below when you are creating a new authorized value)? | |
| 16:34 | So cait, I just fill 942n with 0 or 1 and turn on the OPAC suppression. Let me try that. | |
| 16:34 | cait | I think this should work |
| 16:34 | you will need one title with a 1 | |
| 16:35 | reva: I can't see where you can pick the type of a variable when creating a new authorizes value | |
| 16:36 | reva: I am looking at a installaton from HEAD | |
| 16:36 | did you create a local sys pref instead of a new authorized value? there you can choose the type of variable | |
| 16:42 | reva | Setting the type of variable was when I was creating a new Authorized Value. So, starting fresh, let me see. Say I set it one record 942n to 1 and turn the OPACSuppress to ON; let us say I am withdrawing another item (different item record). How does it know that it should not display this withdrawn item in the OPAC? |
| 16:42 | What is HEAD? | |
| 16:45 | cait | this is not for items |
| 16:45 | it's for records | |
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| 16:45 | cait | It's a different thing to the withdrawn values in items |
| 16:46 | reva | sorry again for the disconnect. So if I pick "tupe of variable" I am setting a sys preference variable? So starting from scratch. What is the syntax for 0=NO and 1=Yes? |
| 16:46 | cait | to suppress another record, you open it in cataloging and set 942n to 1 |
| 16:46 | you can set authorized values under administration > authorized values | |
| 16:47 | click on new category, name it SUPPRESS and ad the first value 0, descripton and opac description can be some like 'don't' suppress | |
| 16:47 | no way to choose a variable type here | |
| 16:47 | reva | ciat: administration > authorized values is where I started. But somewhere along the way I set the type of variable. (I cannot recall the exact place I came across it:) |
| 16:48 | Ok I will do that now. | |
| 16:50 | And then I create another value for suppress and give it as 1 and describe it as "suppress this". Correct? | |
| 16:51 | cait | right |
| 16:52 | jcamins: working on my links between records again | |
| 16:52 | jcamins: nice icon for articles :) | |
| 16:54 | jcamins: I don't see the icon in staff, do you want me to add it or is there already a patch? | |
| 16:54 | reva | I leave the Koha link a blank in the 942n, correct? |
| 16:54 | cait | reva: right, but set your new authorized value |
| 16:54 | to create the pull down in cataloging | |
| 16:55 | reva | Got it. I ws complicating my steps from my university term-project programming days.:) |
| 16:56 | cait | I think all you have to do now is set opacsuppression sys pref to ON |
| 16:56 | and you should have one suppressed record - I think it will cause problems if there is not at least one suppresed record | |
| 16:56 | reva | will it be ok to set it before any record is set to one of the values? |
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| 17:01 | reva | cat: jcamins: this is an aside for me: as long as you are talking about issues: I noticed in the Authority display constants (for example 110 caption "Corporate or Jurisdication...etc.) are truncating in the display. |
| 17:05 | jcamins | cait: Check the closing tag. I think there may have been some sort of problem with some of my closing tags. |
| 17:05 | We're just leaving for the theatre, but I'll be back on later. | |
| 17:05 | cait | jcamins: looking at the xslt stylesheets now :) |
| 17:05 | thx and have fun | |
| 17:06 | jcamins | I'll do my best. :) |
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| 17:07 | reva | cait: it works; It did not bring up the one I set to suppress; but the searches for other titles work.:) Thanks. |
| 17:10 | cait | reva: cool :) |
| 17:13 | reva | cait: I do have this question though; I will look for answers, so need to respond. What is the purpose of the code "d" for deleted records in the leader (000)? I realize it does not control OPAC display. Have to write to LC. But what is HEAD? |
| 17:14 | cait | reva: I think the d is not used by koha but part of the marc standard |
| 17:14 | HEAD is the current 3.2 version from git | |
| 17:14 | the latest development version | |
| 17:15 | reva | Ok, that is really German to me. My daughter lives in Berlin (in fact has lived there for the last 20 years there!) |
| 17:15 | cait | by saying German you mean you don't understand me? :) |
| 17:18 | reva | Exactly:); my daughter majored in German, that is why she lives there.:) Now I looked at the git downloads. When we install Koha we will be doing it on Debian. But I only see windows, mac choices, so which one is for linux/debian? |
| 17:19 | git talk daunts me. terms like "committ", indeed!! | |
| 17:20 | cait | you don't need to install git, depends on your installation |
| 17:20 | you need git for development | |
| 17:20 | for writing patches against the current development version | |
| 17:21 | reva | But someone here suggested if I install git I can pull in the documentation when version changes. |
| 17:21 | I guess the Reference and How-to manuals as they get updated. | |
| 17:23 | I was using an online demo (I hate to say it, it is the one from liblime, not community partner bywaters demo). So I will test OPAC suppression on our VirtualBox Koha Live CD when I go in on Monday. | |
| 17:34 | cait | reva: the danger with using the liblime demo is, that your life cd will act completely differnt |
| 17:34 | we don't recommend bywater's demo because we don't want you to use liblime's but because it does not make much sense ;) | |
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| 18:14 | reva | hi cait: if you are still there. I am working with the liblime demo. I would like to give one more choice in the "source of classification" dropdown list. I see that the authorized value variable cn_source is linked to items.cn_source filed. But in the demo I do not see that variable in the Authorized Value drop down list. to add another value (such as ISO.) |
| 18:14 | cait | administration > classification sources reva |
| 18:15 | but you will have to use one of the existing filing rules | |
| 18:15 | in this case the drop down list does not come from an authorized value | |
| 18:18 | reva | That is for filing rule. So what code would I have to alter to add one more (say Z) to the drop down list in the item record edit. |
| 18:18 | cait | thre are too things |
| 18:18 | filing rules and classification sources | |
| 18:19 | you can add a new classification sourse under administration | |
| 18:19 | too = 2 | |
| 18:20 | add a new classiciation source and for example generic as filing rule | |
| 18:20 | reva | I also read unny, meaning I read too = 2.:) Got it. so say I want to add one of the other filing rules that it is built in to the drop down "source of classification" how would I do that? |
| 18:21 | cait | I don't think I understand what you want to do |
| 18:21 | reva | The drop down list in the item record creation comes from 952$2. |
| 18:21 | cait | you can add a new source and choose a filing rule |
| 18:21 | yep | |
| 18:21 | go to administraton > classificaton sources > new class... and add one | |
| 18:22 | it will appear in your list after that | |
| 18:22 | and make it in use | |
| 18:22 | there is a check box for that | |
| 18:23 | reva | Ok, I see.:0 |
| 18:24 | Thanks cait: I did not notice the check box for source in use before, duh. | |
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| 18:43 | cait | can someone tell me how to add a new file to git? |
| 18:55 | I copied the article icon from opac to intranet | |
| 18:55 | but I am not able to make a patch | |
| 18:56 | or don't know how to do it :( | |
| 18:56 | sekjal | cait: git add /path/to/file |
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| 19:00 | sekjal | cait: it's confusing... hard to troubleshoot remotely, too (sorry) |
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| 19:03 | sekjal | are you using the full path of AR.png, or just 'git add AR.png'? |
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| 19:06 | sekjal | do you see the file listed under the Untracked Items when you run git status? |
| 19:06 | what's git log give you? | |
| 19:06 | cait | ok, give me a moment |
| 19:06 | I am using git add AR.png, because I am in the directory of the file | |
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| 19:07 | cait | no, it's not listed under untracked |
| 19:07 | I have nothing to commit according to git status | |
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| 19:07 | cait | sekjal: I want to try something |
| 19:08 | how can I revert my last commit? | |
| 19:08 | I think it got mixed up, perhaps I can go back and try it again | |
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| 19:09 | sekjal | git reset --hard HEAD^ |
| 19:09 | cait | the log shows me my last commit |
| 19:09 | sekjal: I have other commits on this branch | |
| 19:09 | and I will loose all my changes | |
| 19:10 | sekjal | git reset --hard HEAD will bring your index back to the last commit |
| 19:10 | losing any uncommitted changes | |
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| 19:11 | cait | I added teh file before my last commit |
| 19:12 | i think I need to revert it | |
| 19:12 | I changed the xslt files, added my new image file, git added all and comitted | |
| 19:12 | sekjal | so the image should be in there |
| 19:12 | cait | I looed at the created patch, the new file is not listed |
| 19:13 | sekjal | it'd be a binary blob at the end |
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| 19:13 | cait | I looked at the patch with vi |
| 19:14 | no image no binary blob | |
| 19:14 | and the file is not listed at the beginning of the patch | |
| 19:14 | sekjal | is the AR.png still there? |
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| 19:16 | cait | it is |
| 19:16 | sekjal | but it doesn't show up under git status as untracked? |
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| 19:16 | cait | no |
| 19:17 | sekjal | perhaps try adding another, existing file, then committing? |
| 19:17 | cait | ? |
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| 19:18 | sekjal | I don't understand why this isn't working for you. only thing I can think is there is some restriction that requires you to make a textual change to an existing file in order to add a new binary one |
| 19:18 | cait | ok, thank you for your help |
| 19:18 | getting late here | |
| 19:19 | I will try to save my changes and reset the branch | |
| 19:19 | sekjal | cait: good luck. sorry I couldn't be of more service |
| 19:19 | cait | no problem, thx that you took the time! |
| 19:19 | at least I know now that it should work with git add and git commit | |
| 19:20 | and I did not miss one important step | |
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| 19:20 | sekjal | yeah, this is just plain weird |
| 19:22 | cait | sekjal: stupid me |
| 19:22 | the filename I chose already exists in git | |
| 19:22 | * chris_n | glares at chris_n` |
| 19:22 | cait | and I think it's even the smae icon |
| 19:22 | yeah, it is. but it was not referenced in the file - I checked that before I named it ... | |
| 19:22 | *sighs* that explains everything | |
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| 19:23 | sekjal | well at least it's resolved now |
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| 19:25 | * cait | feels stupid |
| 19:25 | brendan | no worries cait - we've all been there |
| 19:25 | cait++ | |
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| 19:26 | brendan | stay still chris_n |
| 19:26 | sekjal | yeah, that one was totally not obvious, cait |
| 19:26 | cait | now I have to rebuild my branch... |
| 19:26 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 19:26 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.1�C (12:27 PM PDT on September 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:27 | brendan | wow hot today (too bad my office doesn't have a window (but that's what you get for having a very cheap office) |
| 19:27 | hdl | hi all |
| 19:27 | brendan | hi hdl |
| 19:28 | hdl | chris_n : I think the origin of the jail comes from the fact that you send to patcheskoha-community.org and not koha-patcheslists.koha-community.org |
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| 19:28 | brendan | hdl : I think you scared chris_n away with talks of jail |
| 19:29 | :) | |
| 19:29 | I know what you're talking about - just being silly | |
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| 19:29 | richard | hi |
| 19:29 | brendan | heya richard |
| 19:30 | richard | hi brendan |
| 19:31 | hdl | brendan hehe |
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| 21:17 | richard | so pete could you do this one - /msg userserv register <username> <password> |
| 21:17 | ack | |
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