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| 02:53 | Amit | heya chris |
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| 06:25 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 06:26 | cait | hi magnus |
| 06:26 | * magnus | mmm, licorice... ;-) |
| 06:26 | magnus | hi cait |
| 06:26 | cait | licorice |
| 06:26 | ? | |
| 06:28 | ah, Lakritze | |
| 06:28 | magnus | kohacon has a new sponsor: http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ |
| 06:28 | cait | you are eating licorice practically before breakfast? |
| 06:28 | uh | |
| 06:28 | magnus | nope, just celebrating the new sponsor ;-) |
| 06:29 | cait | oh |
| 06:29 | good | |
| 06:31 | magnus | oh no, look at the alphabetical list of sponsors! "The Library" is filed under T! oh no! ;-) |
| 06:31 | cait | lol |
| 06:31 | I think that's ok, the conference site should not be better than koha ;) | |
| 06:33 | ok, time for work | |
| 06:33 | cya magnus | |
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| 07:03 | ivanc | good morning #koha |
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| 07:23 | magnus | hiya ivanc, alex_a, francharb, matts, Kivutar, stephane1 & davi! |
| 07:23 | francharb | hi magnus! |
| 07:23 | ivanc | hi magnus |
| 07:23 | davi | hi |
| 07:26 | Kivutar | hi all :) |
| 07:27 | alex_a | hi magnus :) |
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| 07:28 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:29 | chris: around? | |
| 07:31 | ivanc | hi #kf |
| 07:34 | kf | hi ivanc :) |
| 07:36 | magnus | hi kf |
| 07:37 | kf | hi again magnus |
| 07:38 | magnus | welcome back! short commute? |
| 07:39 | chris | hi all |
| 07:41 | kf | hi chris |
| 07:44 | magnus | hey, kohacon is just 4 weeks off! |
| 07:45 | chris | yup! |
| 07:45 | 3 new public libraries (part of 1 system) went live today | |
| 07:45 | kf | magnus: 10 minute walk :) |
| 07:46 | grats chris :) | |
| 07:46 | magnus | kf: goody! i have a 0 minute walk... ;-) |
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| 07:46 | magnus | woohoo, chris! on 3.2? |
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| 07:47 | chris | yup |
| 07:47 | magnus | cool |
| 07:47 | kf | cool :) |
| 07:54 | magnus | i guess if bug 4310 is the main blocker, it isn't of much concern to libraries new to koha |
| 07:54 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 |
| 07:55 | chris | theres a patch for that now |
| 07:55 | that works, we are just waiting for it to be all bundled up and released afaik | |
| 07:56 | magnus | ah, way cool! |
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| 09:38 | markk | good morning all |
| 09:38 | is there anyone who can help me with the koha system? | |
| 09:43 | magnus | markk: as our topic says: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" ;-) |
| 09:43 | kf | markk: look at our topic |
| 09:43 | ah, magnus can type faster than me :) | |
| 09:46 | markk: what is your question? | |
| 09:46 | markk | i set up koha on ubuntu .. set it to use UTF8 and mysql as well |
| 09:46 | everything is fine for now | |
| 09:47 | but when i search in the catalocue | |
| 09:47 | for a name in arabic .. it returne all the books | |
| 09:48 | i changed the encoding in mysql of the character_set_client/connection/result from latin1 to utf8 .. but with no lick | |
| 09:48 | any idea? | |
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| 10:12 | slef | @seen chris |
| 10:12 | munin | slef: chris was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <chris> that works, we are just waiting for it to be all bundled up and released afaik |
| 10:13 | slef | chris: still awake? Or anyone else who can Redirect http://kohacon10.org.nz/ http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ |
| 10:14 | magnus | hm, it does say it works, though... ;-) |
| 10:25 | kf | markk: we use Icu indexing because of our hebrew records - it works fine, but you can find all information in magnus link |
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| 10:52 | markk | kf: i'm working on magnus' link :D .. having some problems on how to manually recompile Yaz but will report back to you when it's working .. thanks :D |
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| 11:44 | kf | hi jwagner |
| 11:46 | jwagner | Hi kf |
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| 12:23 | * chris_n | finally settles back down from a weekend of bouncing around |
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| 12:29 | owen | Happy Monday to those of you for whom this Monday is new. |
| 12:29 | Hello to all others. | |
| 12:30 | * Braedon | says hello from the FUTURE |
| 12:30 | owen | You get good wifi from the flying car eh? |
| 12:30 | Braedon | all whitespace here |
| 12:31 | * Braedon | doesn't know if anyone knows what that is, but o well |
| 12:31 | larsw | Braedon, are you talking about the US decision to allow frequencies between analog tv channels to be used for Internet purposes? |
| 12:32 | Braedon | i indeed am |
| 12:32 | larsw | then I don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 12:33 | Braedon | apparently the US doesn't need Net Neutrality, cos Whitespace will solve all their problems |
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| 12:33 | Braedon | being from the future, i can report they were absolutely correct! |
| 12:33 | cured cancer and everything | |
| 12:34 | /end-irrelevant-rant | |
| 12:35 | owen | We don't need net neutrality because we've already got the best broadband service in the entire world? Right? |
| 12:35 | <crickets> | |
| 12:35 | Braedon | mmm, delicious crickets |
| 12:38 | (as some of you astute Kohanauts may have noticed, the probability of Braedon being both on IRC and slightly insane increases drastically during the small hours of the morning) | |
| 12:39 | (hopefully he shall break this habit eventually, and perhaps even come back to do something productive) | |
| 12:39 | larsw | IRC = Insanity Rules, Cool |
| 12:39 | Braedon | (until then, he apologizes - it is nothing personal, #koha is just the first tab in his client) |
| 12:41 | (thank you for your patience and understanding) | |
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| 13:01 | chris_n | does anyone else find the inability to absolutely control the print margins in FF very irksome? |
| 13:02 | * chris_n | did some preliminary work on an html export option for the labels creator this weekend and was stymied by this apparent lack of ability in FF |
| 13:03 | owen | chris_n: Are FF's page margin settings not working correctly? |
| 13:04 | chris_n | that is correct from my observations |
| 13:05 | even those in about:config have little to no effect | |
| 13:05 | * owen | has never tried to print something from FF which needed precision |
| 13:05 | chris_n | FF seems to want to impose a 0.5 inch margin regardless of what the user desires |
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| 13:05 | owen | I have however had FF unceremoniously crash when trying to print some pages, so I often open up *shudder* IE to print |
| 13:06 | chris_n | and there appear to be many and loud complaints to this effect for many revisions of FF |
| 13:06 | at any rate, it is a major hold up to using html output to print labels | |
| 13:07 | * chris_n | figured that such an option would overcome the utf-8 problems inherent to the pdf exporter |
| 13:07 | wants a browser that works like he wants it to and wants it at least a year ago if possible :-) | |
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| 14:09 | wizzyrea | mornin. |
| 14:10 | kf | hi wizzyrea |
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| 14:48 | chris_n | hi wizzyrea && kf |
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| 15:12 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 15:15 | kf++ # for working on adding the article icon | |
| 15:15 | # to the Intranet client | |
| 15:18 | kf | huh? |
| 15:18 | jcamins: I have the patch ready, but I have to confess it's on a branch with a lof of other changes | |
| 15:18 | jcamins: I had some hope you will look at them once I finished everything.. | |
| 15:19 | I talked to chris and he said he will create a branch for 3.4 | |
| 15:21 | jcamins | I will be happy to take a look. :) |
| 15:27 | Hm. | |
| 15:27 | How did we duplicate subfields back before owen's nice duplicating icons? | |
| 15:28 | I know we were able to, but for the life of me I can't figure out how. | |
| 15:30 | Hm. I'm getting an error. | |
| 15:32 | kf | I think it was + and - back then |
| 15:33 | jcamins: is there a reason you don't show 733$h with the information about pages and issue? | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I think I just copied the code from someone else. ;) |
| 15:35 | Maybe 780/785? | |
| 15:36 | Which should also display $h, of course. | |
| 15:36 | mib_sq7uz | Hello all......any more closer to 3.2 release?? |
| 15:39 | kf | jcamins: ok, I will take a look. perhaps display it separately from the link to the serial |
| 15:39 | I did some work on other editions and "sets" | |
| 15:40 | if you are willing to test, I will give you some example records so you can see how it works :) | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Sure! |
| 15:42 | kf | cool :) |
| 15:43 | I hope I can show something next week | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Whenever you're done, I'll be happy to look at it. |
| 15:54 | kf | :) |
| 15:55 | jcamins | Ooh! |
| 15:55 | Hm. nengard is not here. | |
| 15:55 | @later tell nengard Congratulations! | |
| 15:55 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:56 | kf | jcamins: birhtday? |
| 15:56 | jcamins | New book. :) |
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| 16:01 | kf | joetho: we use it |
| 16:01 | joetho: but my coworker does the server side things | |
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| 16:21 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 16:21 | druthb | hi. :) |
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| 16:23 | jcamins | druthb: Hello. I finally realized how to pronounce your nick. :) |
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| 16:24 | druthb | jcamins: You're not the first to struggle a little with it. I've had people say "doctor---huh?" |
| 16:24 | jcamins | I had wondered repeatedly how to pronounce "thb," before I realized that the "d" and "b" were separate. |
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| 16:27 | reva | Hi all, there was some issue with mibbit. I am reva, but it is not taking my name input. I am not able to find the misc/migration_tools script in my Koha 3.0.6 Live CD VirtualBox ll. I would like to test importing Marc records into the database. |
| 16:27 | ok, I guess it did take reva as my name after all:) | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | reva: you appear to be reva. |
| 16:28 | reva | Yes:) jcamins: |
| 16:28 | jcamins | reva: check ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools |
| 16:29 | reva | I will check for it. I searched for any folder named misc in my ubuntu, but it is coming up empty. |
| 16:30 | joetho | hi reva, hi druthb, hi everybody else, and KF: can you ask your serverside sip2 person if your sip2 authentication uses a username:password, or just a password? |
| 16:30 | yikes that didn't come out right on MY browser at all! | |
| 16:30 | kf | sorry, he is not here now |
| 16:30 | I can ask him tomorrow | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | reva: It is certainly there, because we briefly used the livecd and were able to import records. |
| 16:31 | kf | but I think he uses cardnumber and password |
| 16:31 | joetho | I meant "username - password" and my browser emoticonified it into something different. |
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| 16:31 | joetho | thanks kf |
| 16:31 | kf | where is your problem with that? |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Also, just to be clear, the script is called bulkmarcimport.pl, not migration_tools. |
| 16:31 | CGI508 | does anyone kno the vmware loging |
| 16:31 | login* | |
| 16:32 | joetho | kf: my sip2 vendor wants a "terminal password" |
| 16:32 | kf | hm |
| 16:32 | CGI508 | ?? |
| 16:33 | kf | hm, perhaps I was wrong then |
| 16:33 | CGI508 | does anyone kno the efault web login |
| 16:33 | jcamins | CGI508: nope, sorry. |
| 16:33 | kf | I think we have login data in this xml configuration fiel of the sip server, but not sure what the vendor does to authenticate |
| 16:33 | CGI508 | default*? |
| 16:33 | joetho | kf: I guess I'll find out. thanks |
| 16:33 | reva | Hi joetho:. jcamins: I have /etc which is where the Koha is in the Ubuntu file system. But there are other folders in /etc (such as Perl, p5) but no misc under /etc or /Koha. Clone search brought up some results (such bomberclone, ntfsclone) but no kohaclone. |
| 16:34 | CGI508 | can some one tell me the default login plase |
| 16:35 | reva | jcamins: got it about the script name being called the bulkmarcimport.pl. |
| 16:36 | jcamins | CGI508: I don't think anyone knows, sorry. The vmware vm is very old, as I recall. |
| 16:36 | kf | does someone know how the merge records works? |
| 16:36 | CGI508 | only 3.1 |
| 16:36 | kf | I thought there was something with the cart |
| 16:36 | CGI508 | does anyone kno the newest stadard login |
| 16:36 | jcamins | kf: ooh! something I know! What problem are you running into? |
| 16:36 | kf | how to start it :) |
| 16:36 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 16:36 | kf | oh? |
| 16:36 | jcamins | Let me check. |
| 16:37 | No, the "oh" was about the version of the vmware vm. | |
| 16:37 | CGI508 | nd i cant find it nd need it |
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| 16:38 | kf | jcamins: puh :) |
| 16:38 | CGI508 | so any sugestions ppl |
| 16:39 | jcamins | CGI508: http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ |
| 16:39 | reva | I have couple of more questions: 1) in the OPAC, is there not a button for going back to the search results ( labels this button title list) when you are looking at bib record? |
| 16:39 | jcamins | reva: I don't believe there is such a button, no. |
| 16:39 | owen | The browser has a back button though :P |
| 16:40 | reva | That was meant to be (LC labels this Title List). |
| 16:40 | jcamins | kf: I know I used the merge records feature, but I can't remember how. |
| 16:40 | kf | hah I found it :) |
| 16:40 | it's not the cart, it's lists | |
| 16:40 | owen | Bug 3075 |
| 16:40 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3075 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, return to search results on detail page |
| 16:40 | kf | hi owen |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Ah-ha! |
| 16:41 | Yup. That's it. | |
| 16:41 | reva | Thanks for the obviosity pointer owen::) |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Merge should work with the cart, too. |
| 16:41 | * jcamins | watches his bug list get longer |
| 16:42 | CGI508 | thts a diffrent set up |
| 16:42 | jcamins | CGI508: yes, but it's much newer, and we know the password for it. |
| 16:43 | CGI508 | oh ok ill try it |
| 16:43 | kf | jcamins: can you write an enhancement request? *offers cookies* |
| 16:43 | jcamins | CGI508: by the way, you should know that the Koha website is http://koha-community.org/ |
| 16:43 | kf: well, if you're offering cookies... ;) | |
| 16:43 | Sure. | |
| 16:43 | kf | thx |
| 16:44 | :) | |
| 16:44 | I am doing screenshots for a presentation right now | |
| 16:44 | so much work, not enough time :( | |
| 16:45 | reva | ok, the second question: I would like my see also references show in OPAC from my authority files. I tried following instructions from the manual for 3.0 (from the other site). CG1508: Mizstic build is easy to install and configure.) jcamins: I still have not found the script. |
| 16:48 | kf | ok, time to go home - bye all! |
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| 16:48 | reva | jcamins: should I ask mizst about the /misc folder, etc? He told me that he may not know Koha specific things. |
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| 16:49 | jcamins | reva: that would be a good idea. |
| 16:49 | You could also try running the following command: | |
| 16:49 | find / -name "bulkmarcimport.pl" -print | |
| 16:50 | That will tell you if the script is on the CD. | |
| 16:50 | (and where it is) | |
| 16:50 | reva | ok, I will try that from the command line. What is the function of "-name" in the command there? (Just curious.) |
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| 16:51 | jcamins | It says "search for a file with the following name." |
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| 16:55 | reva | jcamins: it listed a lot of things that rushed past. (Even scrolling up I cannot go to where I had entered my command.) But this is a sample: find: `/proc/1348/task/1348/fd': Permission denied. |
| 16:56 | another says: find: `/root': Permission denied. | |
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| 17:01 | Braedon | reva: or so i surmise - only have your last three messages |
| 17:01 | reva | Got it Braedon; I was actually thinking YOU might be able to walk me through this exercise. So if I do not have read permission eve, how could I RUN the script? |
| 17:03 | Basically I want to do a bulkimport. Now there are two parts to my question. 1) When I save from an OPAC, it gives me the choice to save in marc. Does it mean it will automatically save it as an .mle? 2) how do I run the bulkmarcimport.pl script? | |
| 17:03 | that was supposed to be .mrc Braedon::) | |
| 17:05 | And I cannot find the kohaclone folder where the script is supposed to reside. | |
| 17:06 | Braedon | alas not the person to ask at the moment sorry - can't remember anything useful about 2, never done 1, and it is 6:15am and i really should be heading to bed |
| 17:07 | reva | sorry Braedon. Good night then:) |
| 17:07 | Braedon | basically only still up as it takes less energy to sit on my chair and stare a computer screen than to go to bed :P |
| 17:11 | brendan | morning all |
| 17:15 | sekjal | morning, brendan! |
| 17:15 | Braedon | morning brendan from Braedon as he heads to bed in the morning |
| 17:16 | brendan | night night |
| 17:16 | jcamins | Morning brendan, night Braedon. |
| 17:16 | Braedon | the birds are chirping but Braedon is snoring |
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| 17:23 | chobbs | Can someoen point out where to adjust script timeouts? I'm importing ~14,000 patrons and hitting a Gateway Timeout in 2.2 beta that I didn't get in 3.00 |
| 17:23 | s/2.2/3.2/ | |
| 17:29 | * druthb | waves to brendan |
| 17:30 | * brendan | waves back |
| 17:32 | reva | so anyone for my question on showing "see also" names in search results in OPAC? |
| 17:46 | the silence is deafening. in the LC catalog they give me the option to save it in non-Unicode/MARC-8 and MARC Unicode/UTF-8); when saved the files have .cgi extensions. So how would I import them into Koha? | |
| 17:46 | jcamins | reva: Tools->Stage MARC Records for Import. |
| 17:47 | Choose the file (it doesn't matter what the extension is). | |
| 17:47 | reva | and what editor would let me read a .cgi file? (i.e., if it is human readable). |
| 17:47 | jcamins | Follow the instructions. :) |
| 17:47 | reva | ok jcamins: |
| 17:47 | jcamins | It's just a binary MARC file. |
| 17:47 | MarcEdit. | |
| 17:48 | You should download the records as MARC Unicode/UTF-8. | |
| 17:48 | But I think you'd be better off using Z39.50. | |
| 17:49 | Downloading it onto your desktop adds a bunch of extra steps. | |
| 17:49 | chobbs | Am I right that there is no place in the staff client to set the number of renewals when creating circ and fine rules? I've been setting renewalsallowed in the issuingrules table by hand... |
| 17:50 | reva | Ok, I did download Unicode/Utf-8. Isn't MARC edit a software I have to install though? I have used z39.50, but this is for practicing staging and importing. |
| 17:50 | jcamins | chobbs: we don't use the circulation module at all, but that doesn't seem right. I'm checking the bug database now. |
| 17:50 | reva: Yes, if you want software that will read MARC files, you'll need to download it. | |
| 17:51 | owen | reva: Why not import the record into Koha and edit it there? |
| 17:51 | chobbs | jcamins: nothing poped out of bugzilla for me. |
| 17:51 | jcamins | chobbs: there is no bug reported about not being edit renewalsallowed. |
| 17:51 | Which makes me think that maybe it's just counter-intuitive. ;) | |
| 17:51 | reva | jcamins: lots of university online catalog servers are not z39.50 compliant. But they do let you save their marc files for copy cataloging (via saving and importing into your library system.) |
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| 17:52 | chobbs | jcamins: Well, everything else in issuingrules is set from the Circulation and Fines page, so I'm pretty sure it ought to be there :-) |
| 17:53 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:53 | jcamins | chobbs: I see the option to set "Renewals Allowed (count)" on that page. |
| 17:53 | Hi cait | |
| 17:53 | cait | hi again jcamins :) |
| 17:53 | what are you searching for? | |
| 17:53 | reva | owen: I am not sure what you are saying. From inside Koha I know to use the z39.50; but many online catalogs do not share their bib records that way. |
| 17:53 | jcamins | I don't know what it does, or how to test it, but I do see that option. |
| 17:54 | reva | hi cait::) |
| 17:54 | chobbs | jcamins: Weird, I don't. Wasn't there under 3.00.05 and I just upgraded to 3.2 beta and it still isn't there. |
| 17:54 | cait | hi reva |
| 17:54 | jcamins | cait: chobbs is trying to set renewalsallowed, but there's no option for that in the issuing rules screen on his install. |
| 17:55 | cait | ah |
| 17:55 | it's new in 3.2 | |
| 17:55 | before it was in the item type | |
| 17:55 | jcamins | Unfortunately I have more than exhausted my knowledge of the subject. |
| 17:55 | cait | it's new in the issuing rules matrix in 3.2 in 3.0.x it was configured in the item type |
| 17:55 | does this help? | |
| 17:55 | * cait | wants to earn some cookies |
| 17:56 | chobbs | cait: just upgraded to 3.2Beta, and don't see it in that screen |
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| 17:56 | cait | you work with en templates? |
| 17:56 | chobbs | cait: yes |
| 17:56 | cait | hm |
| 17:57 | strange | |
| 17:57 | chobbs | cait: You're referrign to smart-rules.pl, right? |
| 17:57 | cait | Im quite sure about this |
| 17:57 | yep | |
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| 18:00 | cait | if you never changed your language that's perhaps not the problem |
| 18:01 | do you have a language chooser at the bottom of your page? | |
| 18:01 | chobbs | language in preference claims en |
| 18:01 | cait | ok, so that seems not to be your problem |
| 18:01 | weird | |
| 18:02 | reva | jcamins:I got an answer for my question from Mizst:) : This question is in fact Live CD specific. :-) The file is at this location: /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl By the way, you need to use sudo when performing the search, otherwise it can’t access certain subdirectories, hence the error messages. |
| 18:03 | so how does the sudo command go? (I kind of get it gives me root privileges) | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | Put sudo at the beginning of whatever command you want to run. |
| 18:04 | But I don't think there is anything you will need to do as root. | |
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| 18:06 | reva | well, I guess running a script needs extra privileges then:). |
| 18:06 | jcamins: I will try your command now with sudo in front now. | |
| 18:06 | jcamins | reva: what command? |
| 18:07 | Mizst answered your question. | |
| 18:07 | You do not need to search for the script, you know where it is. | |
| 18:08 | reva | ok, I got it; but would I be able to run the script without elevated permissions? |
| 18:09 | jcamins | In fact, you *must* run the script as your koha user. |
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| 18:09 | jcamins | If you run it as root, it might mess things up. |
| 18:12 | reva | ok, I see. I am a little puzzled about what bulkmarcimport does. I mean what are the situations I would use the script? |
| 18:13 | jcamins | reva: it is for importing MARC records. |
| 18:13 | chobbs | cait: Does koha cache "compiled" pages somewhere on the server? that is, does it build pages with tempaltes and then keep static versions in a cache that might be messing me up? |
| 18:14 | owen | No |
| 18:14 | chobbs | owen: thx |
| 18:14 | owen | chobbs: Every time I've wondered the same it's been because I was working with the wrong language template |
| 18:15 | chobbs | owen: Is there a way for me to prove that I'm using the right template? language pref is set to 'en', but cait suggests I'm using en_NZ because of "Issue" and "Return" |
| 18:15 | owen | View source |
| 18:15 | chobbs | owen: well, duh :-) |
| 18:16 | owen: href="/intranet-tmpl/prog/en-NZ/lib/jquery/plugins/ui.tabs.css | |
| 18:16 | reva | jcamins: I found the script. So I have a staged record. Do I invoke the bulkmarcimport.pl to import it into the database? (I realize bulk means a lot). I was just going to use one to test. |
| 18:16 | owen | :) |
| 18:16 | chobbs | owen: So now how do I fix it? Since my pref is set correctly, why isn't it using en? |
| 18:16 | reva | jcamins: or am I confounding a lot of things. owen: you are saying a lot of obvious things today:). |
| 18:18 | owen | chobbs: You're looking at the "language" system preference? |
| 18:18 | chobbs | owen: correct |
| 18:19 | owen | ...And only "English(en)" is checked? |
| 18:19 | chobbs | owen: correct (and shouldn't that be a radio button?) |
| 18:19 | owen | chobbs: Which version are you on? |
| 18:19 | chobbs | 3.01.00.140 |
| 18:20 | jcamins | reva: you need the Stage MARC Records for Import utility. |
| 18:20 | Tools->Stage MARC Records for Import. | |
| 18:20 | bulkmarcimport.pl is the script you asked about way back at the beginning of our conversation. | |
| 18:20 | But it's not what you actually want. ;) | |
| 18:20 | owen | chobbs: There are a couple of different things here: 1) What languages are available for use in the OPAC or staff client |
| 18:20 | 2) What language has been *chosen* for the OPAC or staff client | |
| 18:21 | Number 1 is what the preferences set up | |
| 18:21 | Number 2 is done via the language links at the bottom of the page | |
| 18:21 | chobbs: Do you have more than one language enabled? | |
| 18:21 | chobbs | owen: Got it. I don't see the language sleector at the bottom of the page, presumably because only 'en' is selected. |
| 18:22 | reva | ok, I thought as much. Oh I see. I import the staged records using Manage.. in the Tools section. But then when do I actually use the script I asked at the beginning. (I told you I was confounded.):) |
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| 18:22 | owen | chobbs: "English(en-NZ)" shows up in your preferences but it's unchecked? |
| 18:22 | chobbs | owen: Interesting, if I add en_NZ, I get the selector, but if I choose en, it reverts back to en_NZ |
| 18:22 | jcamins | reva: you don't need to use the script at all. |
| 18:22 | chobbs | owen: that was correct |
| 18:23 | jcamins | You then go to Tools->Manage Staged Records, and click the "Import" link. |
| 18:23 | owen | chobbs: Possibly related, Bug 5052 |
| 18:23 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5052 normal, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Can't choose languages if all choices are sublanguages |
| 18:24 | reva | ok, now why was I told to use it by some people? (I mean I would have naturally looked for GUI like the Manage ... and not looked for a command line thing like bulkmarcimport, if you get what I mean.) |
| 18:25 | chobbs | owen: Interesting - If I add es-ES, I can now choose en |
| 18:25 | owen: so it does sound like that bug indeed | |
| 18:26 | jcamins | reva: because we probably thought you were trying to import a lot of data. |
| 18:27 | owen | chobbs: I'm glad we can at least identify the problem as a known issue |
| 18:27 | chobbs | owen: :-) |
| 18:27 | reva | jcamins: oh, we will one day. But I am doing one record for practice. So using the GUI can I take the default and hit the button saying "Apply different matching rule"? |
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| 18:28 | chobbs | owen, cait: That does allow me to address my original issue, which was how to modify the Renewals allowed in circ and fine rules. Apparently that's not manageable in en_NZ? |
| 18:28 | jcamins | reva: yes. |
| 18:28 | chobbs | That column is appearing now. |
| 18:29 | cait | chobbs: when you update you need to redo the templates |
| 18:29 | chobbs | oh? |
| 18:29 | cait | depending on how you update and such things... with git you always have to |
| 18:29 | so if something is working in en and not in another language - recreate your templates | |
| 18:29 | chobbs | cait: don't think that was covered in INSTALL.ubuntu... |
| 18:29 | reva | jcamins: say I have a dozen records, I have saved from different sources in MARC Unicode/UTF-8 (all having .cgi extension). How actually would I use theulkmarcimport.pl? |
| 18:29 | chobbs | cait: is there a script for rebuildingthose? |
| 18:29 | owen | chobbs: Did you install using git? |
| 18:30 | chobbs | owen: no, downloaded latest beta tgz |
| 18:30 | jcamins | reva: I don't think you can import from multiple files at once. |
| 18:30 | * owen | doesn't know what languages are included in the beta tarball |
| 18:31 | chobbs | owen: I actually thought it was just 'en', which would certainly explain why the en_NZ template doesn't have the updated circ and fine template |
| 18:32 | cait | chobbs: which type of installation do you have? |
| 18:32 | chobbs | tempted to just cp en to en_NZ and leave things the way they were :-) |
| 18:32 | reva | No, I mean appending all the marc records with the appropriate seperations in a single file; is that possible then? |
| 18:32 | cait | dev or standard? |
| 18:33 | reva: one single file is correct, bulkmarcimport is for a lot of records, like 20000 | |
| 18:33 | chobbs | cait: assume I got the standard (was a relatively modest sized tgz) |
| 18:33 | cait | you can use translate in /misc/translator |
| 18:34 | but it will not translate your sys pref file | |
| 18:34 | s | |
| 18:34 | translate install nz-NZ | |
| 18:34 | en-NZ | |
| 18:34 | reva | jcamins: I just imported the stage record into the database, but when I search it is saying no results found.? |
| 18:34 | jcamins | reva: did you wait 10 minutes? |
| 18:35 | The index is only updated every 10 minutes. | |
| 18:35 | cait | reva: you staged and managed the records? |
| 18:36 | reva | yes, jcamins: |
| 18:36 | jcamins | No idea, then. It works for me. |
| 18:37 | reva | ok, I will try it again in a bit; the index may be working slowly. |
| 18:37 | Thanks, jcamins: | |
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| 18:56 | chobbs | cait: that seemed to work wonders! |
| 18:56 | cait | cool :) |
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| 19:33 | wajasu | I'm running 3.2beta. if I just run misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl every 8 minutes, should that prevent the index from being available during a search? It seems to cause 'No Result found!' at some point in the rebuild process (i.e. when zebraidx starts running). |
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| 19:33 | richard | hi |
| 19:34 | cait | wajasu: are u using the -z option? |
| 19:34 | wajasu | no -z |
| 19:35 | cait | oh |
| 19:36 | without -z you are rebuilding the whole index every time | |
| 19:36 | -z will only reindex new and changed records from zebra_queue table | |
| 19:37 | I think we use -a -b -z | |
| 19:40 | wajasu | i will go back to that way. |
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| 20:02 | reva | jcamins: I am back; the Manage import works fine.:) But I notice that there is no save as MARC Unicode/UTF-8 choice in the bib records in the online catalogs of libraries that participate in OCLC. So I am forced to cutting and pasting, I think, when I am in the non z39.50 environment. |
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| 20:04 | reva | jcamins: So essentially I will use bulkmarcimport.pl when I am migrating to a version of Koha from some other ILS system? or even to a higher version of Koha from a lower one? |
| 20:06 | jcamins | reva: if you can save as MARC-8, that will work fine, too. |
| 20:06 | And, yes, that is essentially when you will need bulkmarcimport. When you have a huge number of records to import. You might use it if you want to take all the records off your server and load them into a different server. | |
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| 20:13 | reva | Ok, got it. But can I stage import a record into authorities, say from LC? Or does the stage and import do it only for bib records? |
| 20:13 | jcamins | Only bib records. |
| 20:13 | My experience is that it's must faster to just rekey authority records. | |
| 20:13 | *much | |
| 20:14 | reva | jcamins: the libraries (the non z39.50 ones) that I looked at lets you save them only as brief or full record; no marc encoding at all in the save options:( |
| 20:14 | jcamins | Yes, that's common. |
| 20:15 | reva | what do you mean rekey? I am not understnading the new term. |
| 20:15 | jcamins | I was just clarifying that while UTF-8 is preferred, MARC-8 works fine too. |
| 20:15 | Type it in from scratch. | |
| 20:16 | Copy-and-paste can mangle letters with accents. | |
| 20:16 | reva | ok, so no staging and importing into authorities, hah? |
| 20:16 | jcamins | Right. |
| 20:17 | reva | but LC lets you save authority files, so I thought that would be cool to stage and import them if there was a possibility of that. Oh well. Well time to go to Spanish class. Hasta manana:) |
| 20:19 | Thansk jcamins: for all the help today. Bye. | |
| 20:19 | jcamins | Bye. |
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| 20:36 | cait | jcamins: I am a bit confused - I am looking at traced series |
| 20:37 | jcamins | No wonder you're confused! |
| 20:37 | cait | I thought the indicator problem was fixed |
| 20:37 | but I can't see the traced series because of the indicator | |
| 20:37 | jcamins | I don't think so. I had fixed the indicator with the 780/785. |
| 20:38 | We had discussed the indicator problems, but I thought our ultimate conclusion was that no one knew what to do. | |
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| 20:39 | cait | hm |
| 20:40 | ok, it's just strange | |
| 20:42 | I thought this problem was fixed | |
| 20:42 | hmpf :) | |
| 20:42 | jcamins: thx | |
| 20:42 | jcamins | cait: bug 5256 |
| 20:42 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5256 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Merge bibs should work from cart |
| 20:43 | cait | jcamins++ :) |
| 20:43 | * jcamins | blushes |
| 20:44 | jcamins | Whoops, it's 4:53! |
| 20:44 | Good night, #koha | |
| 20:45 | cait | wow |
| 20:45 | good night jcamins | |
| 20:45 | 10:50 pm here | |
| 20:45 | jcamins | (that's 16:53, for those of you who use a 24-hour clock) |
| 20:45 | Time to go print wedding announcements. :D | |
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| 20:53 | joetho | Wedding announcements? |
| 20:53 | congratulations? | |
| 20:54 | Congratulations! | |
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| 21:06 | cait | jcamins: there is a patch from owen - not pushed to head yet. but I tested it - explains my confusion :) |
| 21:07 | bug 2704 | |
| 21:07 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 440 Display Issues |
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| 23:01 | brendan | I'm guessing 23C at the most |
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| 23:15 | * chris_n | figures out his problem |
| 23:15 | chris_n | at least the margin problem I was having with FF |
| 23:16 | @later tell owen disabling YUI fixed my FF print margin problems | |
| 23:16 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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