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| 01:45 | jo | back |
| 01:56 | chris_n | heya jo |
| 02:05 | chris: how soon will you have your TT branch up? | |
| 02:23 | chris | sorry in meetings |
| 02:23 | baack in a bit | |
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| 02:49 | chris | chris_n: im hoping to get it up in early october |
| 02:50 | what we are working on is a script to convert templates | |
| 02:50 | so we dont have to stall development | |
| 02:51 | chris_n | thanks; that's sort of what I was wondering about |
| 02:52 | * chris_n | is contemplating another large chuck of work on the label tool |
| 02:52 | chris | sweet |
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| 03:50 | Amit | heya koha |
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| 05:37 | robin | /home/robin/rebuild_zebra.pl: needed to create '/var/lib/koha/library/authorities/shadow' |
| 05:37 | /home/robin/rebuild_zebra.pl: found zebra server directories: forcing a rebuild | |
| 05:37 | that's going to save issues when zebra breaks and it takes me forever to figure out why | |
| 05:38 | only, the second message needs the word 'broken' in there | |
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| 06:02 | cait | hi #koha |
| 06:09 | robin | hi |
| 06:09 | cait | hi robin :) |
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| 06:14 | cait | guten morgen magnus |
| 06:14 | magnus | god morgen, cait |
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| 06:20 | ivanc | good morning #koha |
| 06:23 | magnus | good morning ivanc |
| 06:23 | ivanc | hi magnus |
| 06:27 | cait | hi ivanc |
| 06:27 | europe is waking up | |
| 06:27 | ivanc | guten morgen cait :) |
| 06:27 | yep | |
| 06:28 | cait today is the day of my presentation | |
| 06:28 | cait | oh, good luck! |
| 06:29 | ivanc | cait tnks! |
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| 06:29 | cait | when is it? |
| 06:29 | ivanc | cait 10:00 |
| 06:30 | cait | ok, will cross my fingers then :) |
| 06:30 | ivanc | cait me too :D |
| 06:32 | cait | won't this look a bit strange? :) |
| 06:34 | ivanc | is only a bit of fear ... |
| 06:35 | cait | tell them 1039 other libraries can't be so wrong ;) |
| 06:37 | ivanc | I've no doubt about the quality of your work |
| 06:45 | cait | ok, time for work |
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| 06:55 | hdl | hi koha |
| 06:58 | ivanc | hi hdl |
| 06:58 | magnus | hi hdl |
| 06:59 | ...alex_a and francharb | |
| 06:59 | francharb | hi magnus |
| 06:59 | alex_a | hi magnus |
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| 07:14 | kf | hi again #koha |
| 07:14 | ivanc | hi kf |
| 07:16 | ok time to go bye #koha | |
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| 07:19 | chris | evening |
| 07:20 | kf | hi chris |
| 07:27 | chris | hows things in deutschland? |
| 07:35 | magnus | busy, by the looks of it? ;-) |
| 07:44 | kf | hm? |
| 07:44 | * kf | looks up from her work |
| 07:48 | kf | meeting in 5 |
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| 08:43 | Braedon | @wunder auckland |
| 08:43 | munin | Braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:43 | chris | @wunder wellington nz |
| 08:43 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (8:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:43 | chris | storm still hasnt hit |
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| 08:43 | Braedon | indeed |
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| 08:43 | Braedon | was quite nice this evening after all the rain this morning up here |
| 08:44 | hopefully it won't be too bad tomorrow morning | |
| 08:44 | chris | yeah |
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| 08:44 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 08:44 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:49 | Braedon | i love how anyone checking the weather triggers a flurry of others doing the same :) |
| 08:49 | chris | heh |
| 08:50 | magnus | it's contaigious |
| 08:51 | (or something that sounds similar) | |
| 08:51 | chris | :) |
| 08:51 | Braedon | infectious |
| 08:52 | insidious | |
| 08:52 | magnus | that'l do it... |
| 08:53 | Braedon | actually both of those are worse fits than contagious, but they were all i could come up with :P |
| 08:53 | magnus | "contagious" is what i was aiming for |
| 08:54 | (i looked it up ;-) | |
| 08:54 | Braedon | haha, thought the original looked a bit weird |
| 08:54 | but my spelling is awful | |
| 08:54 | magnus | yeah, it didn't feel quite right either... |
| 08:54 | Braedon | thankfully my client has a spell checker built in |
| 08:55 | just requires a lot of right clicking on underlined words, and remembering to actually read the suggestions correctly | |
| 08:56 | almost hit incestuous instead of insidious :) | |
| 08:56 | magnus | oops |
| 08:57 | come to think of it, mine (Colloquy) has a spellcheck too... | |
| 08:57 | Braedon | i just use empathy so i don't have to have separate GTalk and IRC clients running |
| 08:58 | has a few idiosyncrasies though | |
| 08:58 | like dropping all your IRC connections if you focus on a window with a too large log | |
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| 09:01 | Topic for #koha is now reminder: send nengard koha newsletter articles/tips/tricket/news/ etc ASAP! | |
| 09:02 | chris | telstraclear has been pretty unreliable lately |
| 09:02 | magnus | and then you use an irc client to connect to bip? |
| 09:02 | chris | yup |
| 09:02 | magnus | i thought maybe irssi + screen on the server... |
| 09:02 | chris | yeah i do that for my work irc |
| 09:03 | magnus | so you have bip + irssi + screen? |
| 09:03 | chris | yeah, cos then i can connect to bip from my phone |
| 09:04 | magnus | you crazy techie you! ;-) |
| 09:04 | chris | my work irc is behind a firewall, so just screen + irssi |
| 09:04 | and a direct connection to the work irc server | |
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| 09:04 | chris | then connections to bip for other servers |
| 09:04 | LUMHS | hi all |
| 09:05 | I want to install koha on debian-lenny | |
| 09:05 | chris | luckily there is an INSTALL.debian file that tells you how to do that :) |
| 09:06 | LUMHS | When I want to install debian, it did not detect the ethernet device |
| 09:06 | chris | ahh you probably need to go to a #debian channel or something then |
| 09:07 | LUMHS | chris: what is the url of #debian channel? |
| 09:07 | chris | i dont know off the top of my head, but google will |
| 09:08 | http://www.debian.org/support | |
| 09:08 | Braedon | irc.debian.org |
| 09:08 | chris | and yep, it did |
| 09:11 | LUMHS | chris.. I could not access these channels |
| 09:11 | could u give me favour... | |
| 09:14 | any body help me | |
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| 09:22 | LUMHS | I have problem of network device |
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| 09:25 | magnus | LUMHS: the lack of response probably indicates that noone here feels up to the challenge of your question. #debian on irc.debian.org has been suggested as a better venue. try http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23[…]er=irc.debian.org |
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| 11:23 | chris_n | hi sekjal |
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| 11:38 | sekjal | morning, chris_n |
| 11:38 | sorry, was getting some breakfast in the kitchen | |
| 11:39 | kf_mtg | hi chris_n and sekjal :) |
| 11:40 | sekjal | hi, kf_mtg |
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| 11:41 | kf_mtg | ah |
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| 11:42 | chris_n | heya kf |
| 11:43 | hdl | hi chris_n |
| 11:43 | * chris_n | greets hdl |
| 11:43 | kf | hi hdl |
| 11:44 | hdl | hi all |
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| 12:10 | kf | sekjal, robin: I think my patch for bug 5090 covers 5081 too |
| 12:10 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN |
| 12:10 | kf | bug 5081 |
| 12:10 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5081 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, When manually entering book details, the ISBN gets lost |
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| 12:11 | kf | chris already signed off on it - but I changed the template |
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| 12:11 | ivanc | ki #koha |
| 12:11 | kf | so I think perhaps your patch will perhaps make it break again |
| 12:11 | ivanc | s/k/h/ |
| 12:11 | sekjal | kf: doubling up on fixes as broken stuff before, yes |
| 12:12 | I'm getting a software error every time I save the new order | |
| 12:12 | something about the XML | |
| 12:12 | kf | yep |
| 12:13 | it's the xml parser | |
| 12:13 | you have to change a conf file or something to use the right parser | |
| 12:13 | sekjal: I made a comment on bug 5081 | |
| 12:13 | sekjal | kf: got it |
| 12:13 | kf | sekjal: chris guided me - I am not sure what I exactly did |
| 12:13 | sekjal | I'll add your patch for 5090 to my queue for signoffs |
| 12:14 | kf | sekjal: sure, take a look at it :) took me some time to figure things out. chris signed off and think it's in production for hlt. |
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| 12:17 | owen | Someone oughta change the topic |
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| 12:23 | owen | Hi collum |
| 12:29 | kf | owen: it will be up to date again very soon :) |
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| 12:41 | collum | Hi owen and kf |
| 12:48 | owen | sekjal++ # for signoffs |
| 12:48 | kf | hi collum :) |
| 12:50 | sekjal | owen++ for providing good bugfixes |
| 12:50 | fredericd++, too | |
| 12:51 | and robin++ | |
| 12:51 | and hdl++ | |
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| 12:56 | sekjal | I'm working on organizing my git repo to keep better track of the statuses of all the branches |
| 12:57 | owen | Ugh. Just got a copyright violation notice from the MPAA because of someone bittorrenting from inside the library |
| 12:57 | sekjal | ugh |
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| 13:07 | nengard | yikes |
| 13:08 | and hi from breakfast in KY | |
| 13:09 | kf | hi nengard |
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| 13:23 | owen | I love it when my staff tells me "the internet is down, but it's okay Koha still works." Where do they think Koha is anyway? |
| 13:25 | kf | in the cloud? |
| 13:25 | Topic for #koha is now Topic for #koha is Koha ILS | Don't ask to ask, just ask! | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
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| 13:43 | * collum | waves to nengard down the Ohio River and recommends the Glassworks tour. http://www.louisvilleglassworks.com/tours.html |
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| 13:48 | nengard | collum i wish i could go, but i'm stuck with a walker right now and it's too hard to do any touring |
| 13:50 | druthb | nengard: Saw your fb post about "accessibility" at airports. Believe: ADA has made it vastly better than it was before. As nightmarish as it is, it used to be worse. |
| 13:52 | nengard | druthb I know! it's just that I'm having a new appreciation for those who have to live this way - i will never ever forget to open the door for someone in need |
| 13:52 | or assume that someone doesn't need help | |
| 13:52 | druthb | :) |
| 13:52 | nengard | also keep in mind - this is so new to me that I'm a real wimp - I broke a sweat walking to the bathroom cause I'm so weka |
| 13:52 | weak | |
| 13:52 | my arms aren't used to carrying my whole body :) hehe | |
| 13:53 | druthb | Oh, I am out of shape for that, too. I'd not done it in years and years when I was at ALA--I saw a picture of me t'other day... very, very scary. |
| 13:54 | brendan | morning all |
| 13:54 | nengard | morning |
| 13:54 | * druthb | shudders to think how badly TSA would abuse disabled travelers, if the ADA wasn't there as a brake on them. |
| 13:54 | druthb | hi, brendan! :) |
| 13:54 | owen | ADA is a good refutation of the pro-business folks who say the market will take care of it |
| 13:54 | nengard | druthb yeah - when I say i can't walk on my own they look at me like i'm lying ... i know i look healthy and all - but don't you think i'd rather walk through the metal detector than have some strange woman feeling me up? |
| 14:00 | * sekjal | thinks its time to make the second press of coffee |
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| 14:01 | owen | What is it with the complaints about "personally hostile attacks" in response to Yokley's message? |
| 14:01 | I guess bystanders don't see how much of Yokley's message is a hostile attack. | |
| 14:05 | I don't think that justifies a counterattack, but I think pointed questions are warranted. | |
| 14:05 | And I don't think "Yay, let's be friends" is prudent given the history | |
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| 14:17 | sekjal | owen: do you have a test record with a 650$t that you used for testing bug 5222? |
| 14:17 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5222 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 650 t not showing with xslt on |
| 14:17 | owen | sekjal: No, I just added a $t to an existing record |
| 14:18 | sekjal | I'm noticing that 650$t isn't even in the MARC framework |
| 14:19 | owen | Ah, you know, it wasn't 650, it was 600 |
| 14:19 | sekjal | yeah, $t isn't part of the standard for 650, according to loc.gov |
| 14:20 | I feel less crazy now | |
| 14:20 | owen | I didn't even register the inconsistency, I just rolled with it :) |
| 14:22 | sekjal | okay, so I can confirm that your patch fixes field 600$t in XSLT display |
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| 14:23 | briceSanc | hello |
| 14:24 | is there a function to compare two times in Perl ? | |
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| 14:36 | kf | sekjal: I have a list of patches taht need to be signed-of... would you perhaps take a look at it? |
| 14:37 | sekjal | kf: sure thing |
| 14:37 | kf | http://www.fernstudiert.de/fer[…]id=koha:dev:start |
| 14:38 | I use this wiki for my distance study - and to track my patches :) | |
| 14:38 | sekjal | kf: nice |
| 14:38 | I'm working on instituting more descriptive branch names: <status>-<content> being the basic format | |
| 14:39 | <status> being things like wip, pub, qa and so | |
| 14:39 | kf | I do something like ps (patch send) bug_number_content |
| 14:39 | sekjal | content often being bug####, but other names for devs apply, too |
| 14:39 | kf | ps_bug_5090_isbn_year_new_order |
| 14:40 | brendan | make test |
| 14:40 | :D | |
| 14:40 | wrong window | |
| 14:40 | briceSanc | is there a function to compare two times in Perl ? |
| 14:41 | kf | briceSanc: perhaps change the question instead of repeating it ;) - and I don't know |
| 14:42 | sekjal | briceSanc: do you mean like X < $var < Y ? |
| 14:44 | briceSanc | kf, i'm not english so my questions may be poorly worded (I apologize!) - thank you for responding |
| 14:44 | sekjal | kf: are the patches you need sign off on the ones marked 'OPEN'? |
| 14:45 | kf | yep |
| 14:45 | open = patch send | |
| 14:45 | sekjal | ok. I'll try to work in testing of those soon |
| 14:45 | briceSanc | sekjal, I mean $openingTime < $closingTime |
| 14:45 | kf | chris started at the top, not sure if he wanted to do more |
| 14:45 | briceSanc | sekjal, $openingTime = 10:00 and $closingTime = 18:00 |
| 14:47 | sekjal | briceSanc: you could do a straight compare if you formatted the numbers as pure integers |
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| 14:50 | briceSanc | sekjal, That's what I thought to do if there was not already created function |
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| 14:51 | sekjal | briceSanc: no function for it that I know |
| 14:53 | briceSanc | sekjal, okay :), thanks Ian (I'm working on Checkout by Hour, I've update the calendar to accept opening and closing Hours, I hope that my customer would like to release the source code !) |
| 14:54 | sekjal | I hope so, too! |
| 14:59 | kf: signed off on one owen already did for you... but mostly because I wanted to get the fix loaded on my system | |
| 15:00 | kf | oh, and I forgot to note owen on my list |
| 15:00 | thx sekjal! | |
| 15:00 | sekjal++ | |
| 15:00 | owen | An exciting prize goes to whoever fixes Bug 2142 in time for 3.2 |
| 15:01 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2142 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, maxItemsInSearchResults No longer used |
| 15:03 | * chris_n | pauses for a moment |
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| 15:12 | sekjal | owen: what's the current misbehaviour like for 2142? |
| 15:13 | owen | In OPAC search results there's the "availability line" |
| 15:13 | Availability: Copies available: Athens (1), | |
| 15:13 | sekjal | right |
| 15:13 | owen | If there is no maxItemsInSearchResults preference specified Koha defaults to 1 |
| 15:14 | So even if there are 100 items available at different branches, Koha will only show Athens (1) | |
| 15:14 | I don't know what was behind the elimination of the maxItemsInSearchResults pref, but both the OPAC and the staff client search results check for it (it's in Search.pm I believe) | |
| 15:15 | sekjal | yes, it's doubly defined in the searchResults subroutine |
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| 15:18 | * owen | wonders if Harley has maxItemsInSearchResults |
| 15:20 | sekjal | so, the desired behaviour would be for Koha to behave as if there were no maximum? |
| 15:21 | owen | sekjal: The original intention of the preference was to limit the number of items in the display because some libraries have 100s of items on one record. |
| 15:21 | That's why I find it mysterious that it was removed... Was something else done to mitigate the problem? I don't know. | |
| 15:22 | In my library it doesn't matter--no maximum would work fine for us because we never have that many items. | |
| 15:22 | But I don't think that works for everyone. | |
| 15:23 | sekjal | right, but now the behaviour is to just provide a number of how many items are available, on loan or otherwise at any given branch |
| 15:23 | the complete details aren't displayed | |
| 15:23 | owen | True. Then I don't know what the purpose is I guess |
| 15:24 | Libraries with 100s of branches? | |
| 15:24 | * owen | shrugs |
| 15:25 | sekjal | testing in my XSLT-enabled OPAC: a title with 3 copies at two different branches shows the branch, callnumber and (1) for the first branch, and branch and (2) for the second |
| 15:26 | the XSLT-enabled staff client says 3 copies available, but only lists the first one (with itemtype icon, branch, shelving location, callnumber and (1)) | |
| 15:27 | owen | The bug doesn't show itself in the OPAC if XSLT is on |
| 15:28 | sekjal | ah |
| 15:28 | misread the report | |
| 15:29 | okay, yeah, the staff client would blow up if the maximum was removed, at least how it's currently configured | |
| 15:29 | it doesn't sum the results by branch | |
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| 15:31 | sekjal | and similarly, so does not the OPAC when XSLT is off |
| 15:31 | hmmm, fun | |
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| 16:30 | mib_5kdfp | Hi....is it possible to create SQL reports in Koha with variable inputs? That is, ask a user to enter a date or date range before running a report? |
| 16:32 | hdl | mib_5kdfp: yes. |
| 16:32 | mib_5kdfp: a patch from paul_p added that feature. | |
| 16:33 | mib_5kdfp | Great.....is it available readily? |
| 16:33 | hdl | But maybe that patch was not applied anf pushed. |
| 16:34 | mib_5kdfp: yes in 3.2 | |
| 16:34 | 7d8b369ba4066d485e5aa7739b1b073f0db80b45 | |
| 16:35 | (commit id | |
| 16:35 | ) | |
| 16:36 | mib_5kdfp | thanks |
| 16:38 | tim | I'm trying to export marc records using the itemcallnumber range on koha 3 and not getting anything. Is there a wildcard that should be used with it? |
| 16:40 | owen | I get the same results tim, a zero-byte file |
| 16:42 | It doesn't even matter if you put actual full itemcallnumbers in those fields | |
| 16:42 | Still fails. | |
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| 16:44 | tim | Thanks owen. At least I know it's not something I did wrong. |
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| 16:49 | owen | tim: Are you filing a bug report or should I? |
| 16:50 | tim | You're probably better at it than I am, but I could give it a shot. |
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| 16:56 | jcamins | Does Debian only run items in init.d that have an extension of .sh. |
| 16:56 | *? | |
| 16:56 | That was supposed to be a question. | |
| 16:58 | tim | jcamins, they just need to have execute permission. |
| 17:02 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:02 | I wonder why Zebra doesn't start when my computer boots. | |
| 17:04 | brendan | you need to walk and feed him ;) |
| 17:04 | tim | I filed bug report about the export problem owen. #5230. |
| 17:04 | owen | Bug 5230 |
| 17:04 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5230 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC export by call number range results in a zero byte file |
| 17:05 | owen | Thanks tim. A couple of things: It should be "normal" not "enhancement." And you need some basic comments describing the problem |
| 17:06 | tim | I figured I'd skip some important fields. |
| 17:06 | Fixing it now. | |
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| 17:14 | tim | I hope my detail isn't too confusing. |
| 17:16 | Is there a way to modify that without just adding it to the comments? | |
| 17:17 | chris | chris_n++ |
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| 17:40 | jcamins | chris_n++ |
| 17:42 | cait | jcamins: do you have the link to your famous curry... cookies at hand? |
| 17:43 | jcamins | cait: http://www.cookiemadness.net/2[…]ate-chip-cookies/ |
| 17:43 | Never go anywhere without it. ;) | |
| 17:43 | cait | great! thank you :) |
| 17:44 | jcamins | Are you going to make them? |
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| 17:51 | cait | I will, but this time I need the recipe as a present |
| 17:52 | I told my coworker about your famous cookie recipe, he was very interested and I am invited to his birthday party this weekend | |
| 17:52 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:52 | :) | |
| 18:16 | chris | did anyone go to the ptfs/liblime webinar thingy? |
| 18:16 | * chris_n | didn't know there was one |
| 18:19 | chris | yeah, they sent out emails to people |
| 18:19 | was on today if i remember right | |
| 18:20 | sekjal | ah, yes, at 11am Eastern |
| 18:20 | chris_n | is it archived anywhere? |
| 18:21 | sekjal | email says if you can't make it, don't worry, there will be more |
| 18:23 | chris | http://twitter.com/dakvid/status/23857538877 |
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| 18:28 | cait | response from ptfs on list |
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| 18:29 | chris | yup |
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| 18:32 | jcamins | Does anyone have any suggestions on how to find out all the locations that have items? |
| 18:32 | I guess I could do a report. | |
| 18:32 | cait | yes you could :) |
| 18:32 | select location, count(location) from items group by location | |
| 18:32 | reva | hi all, I was wondering if someone could explain how to set the 3rd dimension {Z} in the predication pattern for serials (for example, vol. no. yr. for a title that is 4/vol.) I tried several combinations, but either it messes up the other two dimensions or shows the same year (i.e., not adding the year). There are no examples with the 3rd dimension filled in. Help? |
| 18:34 | I meant prediction pattern, not perdicAtion:). | |
| 18:34 | jcamins | We don't use the serials module, sorry. |
| 18:35 | reva | hi jcamins: thanks. But anyone else logged in who knows the answer? |
| 18:38 | jwagner | jcamins, I pecked some more at Bug 3782 yesterday. I still can't get the settings you use to work. Could you maybe verify your Perl version for me? (type perl -v at the system prompt) Since it's complaining about a perl module, not one under C4, I'm wondering if it's a version difference. |
| 18:38 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3782 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, delivered z39.50 targets wrong for NY Public Library and NY University Library |
| 18:39 | chris | cait: responded i think a meeting in 2 weeks would be too rushed, but the wiki is a great place to start the discussions, like chris_n said .. it is good that communicaton is open |
| 18:40 | cait | yeah, I really like taht change |
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| 18:41 | cait | chris: I do not see your mail yet |
| 18:43 | chris | hmm |
| 18:43 | weird | |
| 18:44 | sent it 9 mins ago | |
| 18:45 | jcamins | The items in our catalog represent 63 ccodes. |
| 18:45 | That is definitely excessive. | |
| 18:46 | I mean, not compared to the number of ccodes that aren't represented by items in our collection, but in general, there probably shouldn't be quite so many ccodes. | |
| 18:46 | chris | resending, probably will double up now hehe |
| 18:46 | cant win :) | |
| 18:49 | cait | the second arrived now :) |
| 18:49 | chris | cool |
| 18:50 | i think a meeting would be better after we ahve some idea what there is to talk about | |
| 18:50 | otherwise it could go on forever | |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea_ | yay chris_n |
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| 18:56 | chris | chris_n++ |
| 18:56 | reasoned as always | |
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| 19:02 | jcamins | jwagner: my Perl version is 5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
| 19:02 | And I've confirmed that the settings work on another server. | |
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| 19:11 | jwagner | jcamins, thanks. That's the same as on a couple of my servers. Sigh. |
| 19:19 | jcamins | It also works on ByWater's servers. |
| 19:19 | jwagner | I'm wondering about the particular .pm file now |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Koha versions 3.01.00.145 and 3.01.00.143 respectively. |
| 19:19 | MARC::Charset 0.98 on both. | |
| 19:20 | jwagner | Yep, Koha version doesn't matter -- I've tried it on multiple servers/versions. The error is always Wide character in null operation at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96 |
| 19:20 | chris | on all records? |
| 19:20 | jwagner | Maybe our install of Table.pm is different? |
| 19:20 | jcamins | What's your standard search? |
| 19:20 | chris_n | corrupt data? |
| 19:20 | jwagner | No, just the NYU z39.50 connection. What works for jcamins fails for me. |
| 19:20 | chris | yeah |
| 19:20 | mysql settings? | |
| 19:21 | whenever you see that error | |
| 19:21 | its always to do with encoding problems | |
| 19:21 | chris_n | what are your settings jcamins? |
| 19:21 | jwagner | where do I look for the encoding settings? |
| 19:21 | jcamins | For MySQL? |
| 19:21 | UTF-8. | |
| 19:21 | chris | something being double encoded, or not unencoded, or marc8 being treated as utf8 etc |
| 19:22 | chris_n | jcamins: for that z server |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 19:22 | Z39.50 Server: NEW YORK UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES | |
| 19:22 | jwagner | in the z39.50 setup, it's MARC21/USMARC and MARC-8 |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Hostname: aleph.library.nyu.edu |
| 19:22 | Database:NYU01 | |
| 19:23 | Userid and password are blank. | |
| 19:23 | Checked and rank are both '0' | |
| 19:23 | jwagner | port is 9991? |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Syntax: MARC21/USMARC |
| 19:23 | jwagner: Yes. | |
| 19:23 | Encoding: MARC-8 | |
| 19:24 | jwagner | Yep, all of that is exactly what I have, on a wide variety of installs -- can't get it to connect anywhere. Much puzzled.... |
| 19:24 | chris | its connecting |
| 19:24 | that error comes from parsing the results | |
| 19:24 | what happens is you get the results, they get stored in the reservior | |
| 19:25 | then displayed, the error is occuring when its trying to parse a marc record | |
| 19:25 | jwagner | Hmmm. chris, what term did you search on? |
| 19:26 | jcamins | I searched on "book" and it worked. |
| 19:26 | chris | none, ive just seen that error before, if its MARC::Charset |
| 19:26 | then its to do with parsing marc records | |
| 19:26 | its not used for anything else | |
| 19:26 | jwagner | in which search field? Raw(any)? |
| 19:26 | * chris_n | confirms it works here on the latest HEAD |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Just duplicated the error! |
| 19:26 | jwagner | AHA! I've been searching variants in author & title fields. searching in the Raw(any) field works. |
| 19:27 | jcamins | I've just been searching in title. |
| 19:27 | The problem is non-Roman alphabets. | |
| 19:27 | jwagner | That's similar to the problem I had with Smithsonian & why I was recommending dropping them as a default -- they've changed the indexes on their end so much the targeted search boxes wouldn't work. |
| 19:27 | jcamins, non-Roman? I've been searching generic stuff like Harry Potter | |
| 19:28 | jcamins | I can replicate it with Harry Potter, too. |
| 19:28 | chris_n | in the title field? |
| 19:28 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 19:28 | chris_n | dies here too |
| 19:28 | must be corruption in that marc record of the utf8 sort | |
| 19:28 | jwagner | So from what chris is saying, it's actually connecting and doing the search, but something is failing when it tries to parse the results? |
| 19:28 | chris_n | right |
| 19:29 | * jwagner | mutters, "well, this is a fine kettle of fish" |
| 19:29 | chris_n | this is an encoding error of some sort |
| 19:29 | probably the record is utf-8 rather than marc8 | |
| 19:29 | but that is just a guess | |
| 19:29 | jwagner | So is there any way to compensate for that on the Koha end? |
| 19:30 | chris | if ppl followed standards |
| 19:30 | yes | |
| 19:30 | chris_n | I think it would have to be MARC::Charset that did the work |
| 19:30 | chris | unfortunately they dont |
| 19:30 | * chris_n | had this problem with a z server in the past |
| 19:30 | chris_n | there was a bug for it iirc |
| 19:31 | * chris_n | looks |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Change the charset to UTF-8. |
| 19:31 | Looks like they're encoding Turkish wrong. | |
| 19:32 | (the problem was a German record, but as an aside, looks like they're encoding Turkish wrong) | |
| 19:32 | jwagner | changing that in the z39 setup works -- harry potter search in title retrieves records. |
| 19:33 | chris_n | I can't find the bug atm |
| 19:33 | chris | i wonder if my reply will go through this time |
| 19:33 | jcamins | chris: I got both, in the end. |
| 19:33 | chris_n | but we did have a round or two about this and decided it was a standards compliance issue on the library's end |
| 19:33 | jwagner | So what should be the recommended solution? A patch to change the setting in the default z39.50 setup, or just a note about the problem? |
| 19:33 | jcamins | chris: got the latest. |
| 19:33 | chris | ta |
| 19:34 | chris_n | well, its not really a Koha problem |
| 19:34 | I think we removed the previous offender from the list | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Change NYU to UTF-8. |
| 19:34 | chris | jwagner: the problem is, changing it to utf8 works .. until you hit a marc8 record |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Oh, there are also MARC8 records? |
| 19:34 | chris_n | yes |
| 19:34 | * wizzyrea_ | channels atz: make the target ILS fix it! |
| 19:34 | jcamins | In the same database? Eww. |
| 19:34 | jwagner | chris_n, you mean remove NYU from the delivered defaults? |
| 19:34 | chris | jcamins: often, yes |
| 19:35 | chris_n | jwagner: not NYU, but another |
| 19:35 | chris | i hope my email made some sense too |
| 19:35 | chris_n | I can't recall which atm, sorry |
| 19:35 | chris | i fear an irc meeting now, would just be counterproductive |
| 19:35 | and probably get bitchy | |
| 19:35 | lets get some ideas down to talk about, then talk about them | |
| 19:36 | setting up foundations isnt something you want to get wrong | |
| 19:36 | its pretty hard to undo if you do | |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea_ | *nod* |
| 19:36 | jcamins | Well, my suggestion is that we change NYU to UTF-8 for now, and I will ask my mentor, who is on their character sets task force what the deal is. |
| 19:36 | chris: I agree. | |
| 19:36 | chris | thats why im actually leaning towards joining software freedom conservancy, i should write that on the wiki |
| 19:37 | jcamins: good idea | |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea_ | well and there's all that stuff from when we voted on the hlt stewardship |
| 19:37 | chris | true, should pull that in too |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea_ | a lot of this work has already been done |
| 19:37 | jwagner | OK, I'm updating the bug report to summarize this -- join in if you can amplify. |
| 19:37 | chris_n | obviously viki has never been around when we have irc meetings on potentially divisive issues like changing the license... :-) |
| 19:38 | can you say "Long" and "non-productive" | |
| 19:38 | jwagner | It's not a major bug in the grand scheme of things, but it's been on my naggy to-do pile for far too long. |
| 19:38 | chris | chris_n: exacterly! |
| 19:39 | jwagner: yeah, you should post this to the marc must die website too :-) | |
| 19:39 | chris_n | jwagner: there was some code added to koha's z search to help it error out more gracefully when the remote z server lied about its data |
| 19:39 | chris | http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page |
| 19:39 | jwagner | chris_n, when? I have the same problem with this site on my current head server |
| 19:40 | * chris_n | looks |
| 19:40 | chris | bbiab |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea_ | he's getting fast on that phone lol |
| 19:41 | chris_n | jwagner: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]93d24f309b3513cd8 |
| 19:42 | jwagner | That's pretty old, so if it was pushed to head then it's in all of my servers. Doesn't look like it handles this problem. |
| 19:42 | chris_n | that's evident :-) |
| 19:42 | jwagner | I just finds problems, I doesn't solves them :-) |
| 19:43 | chris_n | the problem with these encoding errors is that they occur in someone else's code |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea_ | bbiab |
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| 19:43 | chris_n | so the "try/catch" type error trapping would have to happen there |
| 19:44 | but the real problem is bad data | |
| 19:45 | of course we might be able to wrap the call to MARC::Charset in an eval block and trap the error that way in a more graceful fashion | |
| 19:45 | but in the end the data is still unusable | |
| 19:46 | jcamins | I guess Z39.50 doesn't preserve the Leader? |
| 19:47 | * chris_n | doesn't know the answer |
| 19:47 | chris_n | but I have wondered why M::C would not be able to attempt to determine the encoding type |
| 19:47 | jcamins | It seems to me that the Leader should still indicate the encoding. |
| 19:48 | chris_n | unless it is wrong |
| 19:48 | jwagner | oh well. A problem for another day. g'night everyone. |
| 19:49 | chris_n | bye |
| 19:49 | sekjal | night, jwagner! |
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| 19:49 | jcamins | chris_n: true. |
| 19:50 | chris_n | maybe some error trapping around this might be possible: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aa26;hb=HEAD#l228 |
| 19:52 | ok, time to head to the feeding trough | |
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| 20:01 | chris | Back |
| 20:02 | 8 hours til beer o'clock! | |
| 20:03 | cait | lol |
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| 20:04 | chris | Gotta love friday:) |
| 20:04 | larsw | chris, heh |
| 20:04 | * jcamins | is jealous |
| 20:08 | chris | Anyone got any rails questions, koz is on the bus with me |
| 20:09 | http://koziarski.com/ | |
| 20:09 | Its random and useless facts friday | |
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| 20:20 | richard | hi |
| 20:22 | larsw | chris, speaking of beer o'clock: http://picasaweb.google.com/10[…]feat=embedwebsite# |
| 20:23 | chris | Ohh cool |
| 20:24 | Where's that? | |
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| 20:25 | chris | My stop, bbiab |
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| 20:27 | larsw | chris, I have no idea, I found it on reddit |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Just out of curiosity, did my message go through? |
| 20:36 | cait | yep |
| 20:39 | chris | back |
| 20:40 | larsw: looks a lot like the one down on level 4 eh | |
| 20:40 | larsw | yeah |
| 20:41 | jcamins | Well, I hope all the good karma from my Pledge isn't negated by offering an opinion on this divisive topic. :) |
| 20:42 | Ugh! That's a terrible sentence. | |
| 20:42 | chris | i think it just serves to increase it |
| 20:42 | * jcamins | thinks he might be more tired than he realized... no matter how he tries to rephrase it, that sentence refuses to become balanced and parallel. |
| 20:43 | cait | speaking of tired |
| 20:43 | bed time | |
| 20:43 | good night all :) | |
| 20:43 | jcamins | Good night. |
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| 20:46 | jcamins | Time to close up for the night. |
| 20:46 | chris | night jcamins |
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| 21:00 | jo | Good morning |
| 21:01 | wizzy_m | Can someone check renewing books for patrons who have plus signs at.the end of their barcodes? |
| 21:02 | We get an error, I'm away from my 3.2 install | |
| 21:02 | So can't check it myself :( | |
| 21:03 | chris | *sigh* |
| 21:03 | yeah ill check wizzy_m | |
| 21:04 | wizzy_m | I'm hoping it's just us |
| 21:04 | chris | oh that sigh was for the mail to the list not the + |
| 21:04 | so an item with a barcode that ends in a + ? | |
| 21:05 | wizzy_m | no,the patron barcode ends in a + |
| 21:05 | chris | ok |
| 21:06 | and renewing from the circ screen? | |
| 21:07 | wizzy_m | It looks like it is trying to insert a space in it |
| 21:07 | chris | yeah it stripping the + |
| 21:07 | not inserting | |
| 21:07 | it does however renew it | |
| 21:07 | its just the find borrower bit | |
| 21:07 | ie the redirect to the details page, that isnt working | |
| 21:08 | 2 secs | |
| 21:08 | wizzy_m | Hmm |
| 21:08 | chris | interesting, now it works |
| 21:08 | ahh it works from the details page | |
| 21:08 | not from the issues page | |
| 21:09 | wizzy_m | Ya its inconsistent |
| 21:09 | chris | http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz[…]findborrower=123+ |
| 21:09 | staff:staff1 | |
| 21:10 | wizzy_m | Sec looking |
| 21:10 | chris | thast what you are seeing? |
| 21:10 | wizzy_m | Ooh, yep |
| 21:10 | My answer is "dont do that" | |
| 21:11 | But,its not the same behavior as the item bakeries | |
| 21:11 | Barcodes | |
| 21:12 | Which allow special chars | |
| 21:12 | (they have items with ? At the end and those work fine | |
| 21:13 | I will add a bug when my computer is charged | |
| 21:14 | Yay for swype | |
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| 21:16 | chris | ill look at hte code now |
| 21:22 | my $findborrower = $query->param('findborrower'); | |
| 21:22 | $findborrower =~ s|,| |g; | |
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| 21:31 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-pre[…]ke/earthquake-map |
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| 21:52 | wizzy_m | Lol at the topic |
| 21:53 | chris | its getting stripped out before it gets the the script, its because its a get |
| 21:53 | and needs to be escaped in that context | |
| 21:53 | fixinating | |
| 21:54 | (ie you cant have + in the url stringy) | |
| 21:56 | wizzy_m | Right. Love that its that easy to fix |
| 21:56 | Friday friday friday friday :) | |
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| 22:06 | chrisc | wizzy_m: what email address should i send the patch to? you can sign off on it if it works for you too |
| 22:07 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 22:07 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.3�C (5:11 PM CDT on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.08 in 984.6 hPa (Rising). |
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| 22:09 | chrisc | yep, all fixed now |
| 22:09 | chrisc is now known as chris | |
| 22:12 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 22:12 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (3:12 PM PDT on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:12 | jo | KohaCon10: last of the hotel rooms released back to the hotels today ... means its getting closer :) |
| 22:13 | chris | wizzy_m: you about? |
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| 22:14 | wizzy_m | Lreanekls.org |
| 22:15 | Soexcitedcantwaitforkohacon | |
| 22:16 | chris | k |
| 22:16 | jo | wizzy_m: maybe we could make that a new hashtag :) |
| 22:17 | chris | patch is on the way |
| 22:17 | wizzy_m | Hehehe |
| 22:17 | Yay! | |
| 22:17 | Ooh there it is | |
| 22:18 | chris | its a tiny one |
| 22:18 | just using URI::Escape | |
| 22:19 | which we already use in some places | |
| 22:21 | wizzy_m | Suppose we should double check every place you would scan a patron barcode. I will try to do that |
| 22:21 | chris | its not the scanning |
| 22:21 | thats fine | |
| 22:21 | its the redirect | |
| 22:22 | man URI::Escape if you want the gory details | |
| 22:22 | long story short, you should not have + in urls | |
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| 22:23 | chris | most of the time we are doing a POST, its fine, but this time we are just taking the barcode and sticking it in the URL |
| 22:23 | so it needs to be escaped | |
| 22:23 | wizzy_m | right |
| 22:24 | chris | earthquake! |
| 22:24 | robin | ooh quake |
| 22:24 | richard | only in willis st :) |
| 22:24 | chris | i think we feel it more up on level 7 |
| 22:24 | wizzy_m | Lol really? |
| 22:25 | jo | didn't feel ithere |
| 22:25 | robin | yeah, it was gently swaying |
| 22:25 | Either that or a really strong gust of wind (I decided not to bike in to work today, on the expectation that I wouldn't make it if I did) | |
| 22:27 | wizzy_m | Bbl |
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| 22:27 | jo | must concentrate now - averting eyes from irc |
| 22:27 | 1.25 hour talk to give tomorrow ! who does that to speakers ... | |
| 22:31 | chris_n | it never ceases to amaze me how much "ill will" the folks who accuse the community of showing "ill will" show toward those they are accusing of showing "ill will".... |
| 22:31 | * chris_n | scratches his head and attempt to understand what he just typed :-) |
| 22:31 | chris | i hear ya |
| 22:32 | as if public chatising people for expressing suspicion is a nice and polite thing to do | |
| 22:32 | wow | |
| 22:32 | chris_n | aftershocks? |
| 22:32 | chris | publicly chastising too |
| 22:32 | only in my spelling | |
| 22:33 | chris_n | hehe |
| 22:33 | chris | what i liken those messages to |
| 22:34 | is telling someone who has been punched in the face 5 times to 'stand still maybe they wont punch you again this time' | |
| 22:34 | 'and stop complaining they hit you 5 times already' | |
| 22:41 | jo | yep - I hear ya chris and chris |
| 22:42 | its called learned behaviour, and the best predicter of future behaviour is past behaviour | |
| 22:42 | chris | *nod* |
| 22:42 | jo | no wonder so many of us are wary and distructful and cautious |
| 22:47 | rhcl_away | actually, I'm more surprised at the number of responses that were "overly" (?) positive? |
| 22:48 | chris | the ones that admonished people for expressing caution ? |
| 22:48 | * chris_n | did try to leave room for discussion while trying to protect his other eye |
| 22:49 | chris | rhcl_away: if you mean what i think you mean, yes i found it disheartening the neighbour of people who reacted as if somehow now all the bad behaviour will stop |
| 22:49 | neighbour!!! | |
| 22:50 | number | |
| 22:50 | sheesh | |
| 22:50 | i have teh dumb | |
| 22:50 | chris_n | hehe |
| 22:51 | * chris_n | hands chris a new keyboard |
| 22:51 | chris | thanks :) |
| 22:51 | a new brain might be in order | |
| 22:51 | robin | I don't fully understand the need for the society. It seems that everyone is happy with the way assets are handled, with the exception of PTFS/LL, and the assets they have. |
| 22:52 | chris | robin++ |
| 22:53 | meeting thingy bbl | |
| 23:05 | chris_n | true |
| 23:06 | and no foundation is always one of the options in the running imho | |
| 23:07 | any idea what would make cpan use the wrong installation of perl? | |
| 23:08 | or better yet why I would end up with two different perls after using apt? | |
| 23:12 | fixed | |
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