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| 01:56 | * wasabi | rebuilds a scis-disked win2003 sever at AFW, today :/ |
| 01:56 | chris | eeewww |
| 01:57 | wasabi | its a 2-year-old nightmare, thats finally happened... |
| 01:58 | mobo died in the weekend, no external backups, etc | |
| 01:59 | chris | classy |
| 02:00 | wasabi | im now getting the friendly windows-popup reminder, that my new server is about to disable itself in 3 days time |
| 02:01 | chris | you shoulda just put linux on there theres that theme that looks like windows... and with sambafs .. theyd never know ;-) |
| 02:03 | wasabi | they also run a few win32 apps on it too, so its a bit trickier |
| 02:04 | chris | wine :) |
| 02:04 | srsly though, you dont want to get trapped doing windows support, down that road lies madness | |
| 02:05 | richard | it sure does. especially when you don't even do linuz support |
| 02:05 | * richard | is learning a lot about windows |
| 02:05 | richard | and it isn't healthy |
| 02:05 | chris | hehe |
| 02:08 | wasabi | im a nice guy, and they are in a pickle... thats as far as my windows anything goes |
| 02:21 | * chris_n`` | agrees with chris's assessment of win32 support |
| 02:22 | chris_n`` is now known as chris_n | |
| 02:22 | chris | :) |
| 02:25 | * chris_n | had the nightmare of a *nix box's li-ion battery go bad and the time got reset to 8 years ago.... |
| 02:25 | chris_n | and then the nightly backups ran |
| 02:26 | so now one tape out of 12 is stamped with a date eight years previous to the rest :-P | |
| 02:26 | chris | heh |
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| 02:51 | wizzyrea_ | that's a terrible nightmare :P |
| 02:51 | wasabi | hows this for a fail.... |
| 02:51 | the server has 2 identilcal disks, mirrored.. | |
| 02:53 | at some stage the mirroring of the 2nd disk got stopped, and then used as a data-dump | |
| 02:53 | its the data-dump, that has all the important files on.... | |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea_ | ! |
| 02:55 | wasabi | if i *fix* the 2nd disk, by re-sync-ing the mirror, i risk blowing away whats currently on it? |
| 02:56 | ie: all the important files | |
| 02:56 | robin | that's not a risk, that's certain |
| 02:57 | wasabi | yeah, i cant currently 'see' the D; drive... |
| 02:57 | robin | maybe the disk has failed hard? |
| 02:58 | wasabi | but the disk is detected, etc.. |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea_ | yea, it may be time for a freezer treatment |
| 02:58 | robin | yeah, there's many different failure modes for harddrives. |
| 02:58 | I had a 250GB that started reporting as 8MB | |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea_ | I had a totally dead one a few years ago that had a PHD student's only copy of their dissertation on it |
| 02:59 | wasabi | nope, it partically boots of the 2nd disk, but then BSODs |
| 03:00 | robin | wizzyrea_: I think that if they only have one copy, they deserve to re-write it. |
| 03:00 | wasabi: _many_ failure modes :) | |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea_ | ended up getting their stuff back by putting the drive in a ziplock bag, sucking all the air out, freezing it overnight, then pulling the dissertation off in the 10 minutes the drive worked before it died for good |
| 03:01 | robin | yeah, that's a common emergency treatment. |
| 03:01 | In my case, I swapped the controller board with one from a matching good drive. | |
| 03:01 | wasabi | im gonna have to usb-mount a linux , then ntfs-mount the 2nd disk to salvage... |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea_ | ooh, that's a good trick |
| 03:01 | robin | only worked because it was electrical rather than hardware failure. |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea_ | people often underestimate the common nature of electrical failure |
| 03:02 | robin | But my backup disks had fallen over (literally) two days previous, so I had no backups any more - needed to recover it. |
| 03:02 | wasabi | then attempt the mirror re-sync |
| 03:07 | and i think ive just accidentally kicked-off a re-sync... :/ | |
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| 03:08 | robin | oops |
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| 03:12 | Amit | heya chris, brendan |
| 03:13 | brendan | heya amit |
| 03:18 | chris | hi amit |
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| 05:03 | hdl | hi |
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| 05:35 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 05:37 | hdl | hi kf |
| 05:38 | kf | hi hdl |
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| 07:17 | kf | morning magnus |
| 07:17 | magnus | Guten Morgen, kf |
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| 07:22 | slef | owen: what did you want? :-) |
| 07:26 | magnus | slef: probably a bit early/late for owen? |
| 07:27 | slef | magnus: well, it's the soonest I'm here since he asked :-) |
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| 07:27 | magnus | :-) |
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| 07:36 | ghi | koha can use ldap authentication and in my organization ICT department uses ldap and i tried to configure in koha-conf.xml,but when i go to patrons, it says there is no result and the error log also didn't display any error! |
| 07:41 | chris | Evening |
| 07:45 | magnus | evening, chris |
| 07:52 | kf | hi chris |
| 07:52 | ghi: sorry, I have no experience with ldap. probably better try the mailing lists, bigger audience there | |
| 07:54 | chris: saw your exchange with galen in the logs - is acq upgrade the only blocker for release right now? | |
| 07:54 | ghi | kf: thank you |
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| 07:58 | slef | ghi: check your system preferences, then check the ldap server logs to see if it disagreed with koha, but there's too many possibilities. |
| 07:58 | oops | |
| 07:59 | too slow :-/ | |
| 07:59 | biab | |
| 07:59 | * magnus | goes to read the log |
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| 08:32 | chris | kf: yes |
| 08:32 | kf: i updated the bug with some more info about how i worked around it for hlt | |
| 08:33 | kf | yep, read it |
| 08:34 | i saw that u used a file for export and import - can this work for the web installer too? | |
| 08:36 | slef | @wunder weston-super-mare |
| 08:36 | munin | slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 14.1�C (9:45 AM BST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:36 | slef | Light??? Would someone mind telling the world to obey the reports? |
| 08:36 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:36 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.4�C (10:46 AM CEST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:37 | kf | warmer here, but we share the rain showers |
| 08:37 | slef | The rain showers here would be more accurately described as "hammering" or "torrential" |
| 08:38 | kf | ok, it's better here |
| 08:38 | but still annoying, we have a lot of rain this year | |
| 08:38 | chris | kf: not easily |
| 08:39 | kf | chris: ok |
| 08:40 | chris | but it might help galen figure out a way round |
| 08:43 | paul_p | hi chris & kf & slef & magnus & al |
| 08:43 | kf | hi paul_p |
| 08:44 | magnus | hi paul_p |
| 08:44 | @wunder bodo | |
| 08:44 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:44 | magnus | not a cloud in sight here... |
| 08:45 | kf | :) |
| 08:45 | ok, meeting, bbl | |
| 08:45 | chris | hi paul_p |
| 08:45 | kf is now known as kf_mtg | |
| 08:46 | slef | magnus: mine are heading your way :P |
| 08:46 | magnus | slef: you can keep them if you want |
| 08:47 | slef: looks like we will steer clear, fingers crossed: http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/[…]psmarka/long.html | |
| 09:07 | chris | slef: did you want to send a bio and/or a photo for http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/bio.html ? |
| 09:12 | slef | chris: didn't I already do that? |
| 09:13 | chris | not that i got |
| 09:13 | slef | I thought it was Kristina who emailed me. I'll resend and cc you. |
| 09:13 | chris | ahh i emailed first, i think she sent reminders out |
| 09:13 | cool thanks | |
| 09:59 | wajasu | i think i found out why my git clone was hanging. i changed my MTU from 576 and now I get 10x the network bandwidth. Sheesh. And the git clone works and is fast. |
| 10:02 | chris | heh yeah that'd do it |
| 10:26 | hdl++ | |
| 10:31 | slef: http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/20[…]ogram/bio.html#mj | |
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| 10:36 | slef | chris: Thanks. Any chance of </p><p> before "His key" and <a href="http://www.software.coop/">software.coop</a> ? |
| 10:37 | chris | yup |
| 10:37 | 2 secs | |
| 10:37 | slef | ta |
| 10:37 | magnus | chris: am i right in thinking that hdl's patch is a partial fix for the acq blocker? |
| 10:38 | chris | yup |
| 10:40 | magnus | cool! |
| 10:40 | chris | slef: hows that? |
| 10:42 | slef | chris: link great, break ok - no space between paragraphs on that page? |
| 10:43 | eww, it's all <br />s - rather you than me and don't let Stuart Yeates find out ;-) | |
| 10:43 | magnus | "Open Library & Koha Sitting In A Tree"? sounds intriguing... |
| 10:44 | chris | i changed it to <p> |
| 10:44 | slef | hehe |
| 10:44 | cool, thanks | |
| 10:45 | chris | magnus: yeah that should be a good presentation, we are working on some thigns to show off |
| 10:46 | the road trip gets into wellington on the 24th right? | |
| 10:46 | slef | There are all these "open <somethign>" projects but few seem to have "HOWTO use this in your other open library software" guides. |
| 10:47 | chris: I forget where to find out :) let me check | |
| 10:47 | chris | yeah open library are pretty good about that, and getting better |
| 10:47 | slef | I think it gets in on the Monday |
| 10:48 | chris | http://openlibrary.org/developers/api |
| 10:48 | slef | or maybe it's the Sunday |
| 10:48 | chris | hmm, the monday is the first day of conference, so i hope sunday :) |
| 10:48 | slef | damn, this isn't clear... and S has the itinerary with her |
| 10:48 | chris | magnus: you are doing the roadtrip too eh? |
| 10:49 | slef | Well, the road trip refers to "2 nights accommodation" |
| 10:49 | figure it out from that :) | |
| 10:49 | chris | :) |
| 10:49 | magnus | yup, we get to Wellington sunday, as far as i can tell |
| 10:49 | chris | sweet |
| 10:50 | magnus | i think that is one night in auckland, and one on the road |
| 10:50 | chris | yeah that makes sense |
| 10:50 | magnus | http://koha-community.org/kohacon2010-roadtrip/ |
| 10:51 | chris | http://revealingerrors.com/bucklame |
| 10:51 | so if you hear people talking about bucklame .. they mean auckland :) | |
| 10:52 | magnus | nice to know |
| 10:52 | chris | or dorkland |
| 10:52 | magnus | ;-) |
| 10:53 | any names for wellington? ; | |
| 10:53 | chris | not really, not that i know of |
| 10:53 | apart from windy wellington | |
| 10:54 | magnus | perhaps because you live in wellington and people don't use the funny names to your face? ;-) |
| 10:54 | chris | hehe could be |
| 10:54 | im sure that wouldnt stop the dorklanders :) | |
| 10:55 | ill have to ask at work tomorrow | |
| 10:58 | * magnus | goes in search of some much needed lunch |
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| 11:47 | indradg | hi #koha |
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| 11:55 | paul_p | any sysop around ? chris / chris_n, gmcharlt, kf_mtg wizzyrea ? |
| 11:56 | kf_mtg | here |
| 11:56 | kf_mtg is now known as kf | |
| 11:56 | paul_p | hdl can't reach us, he get a : Closing Link: biblibre-breteuil.pck.nerim.net (Too many host connections (local)) |
| 11:56 | kf | came back from lunch 5 minutes ago |
| 11:56 | paul_p | so mtg means lunch for you ? I like your meetings, feel free to invite me any time :D |
| 11:57 | kf | it started with a meeting that was so long, it was too late for cafeteria |
| 11:58 | paul_p; I am not sure what I can do | |
| 11:58 | chris: still around? | |
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| 11:59 | paul_p | strange... everyone except me has left the channel, and hdl still can't connect :( |
| 11:59 | kf | :( |
| 12:01 | paul_p: I tried google on the error message, but not sure where the problem is, perhaps it's a problem with biblibre-breteuil.pck.nerim.net? | |
| 12:02 | paul_p | kf, I don't think so because i'm 1m far from hdl |
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| 12:11 | gmcharlt | paul_p: si would be a better bet - can he reach any channel on irc.katipo.co.nz ? |
| 12:13 | collum | trvn40 |
| 12:14 | kf | hi gmcharlt :) |
| 12:15 | paul_p | 'morning gmcharlt |
| 12:17 | collum | oops - time to change that password :) |
| 12:19 | magnus | collum: we won't tell anyone... ;-) |
| 12:19 | collum | Thanks. I changed it anyway. |
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| 12:23 | laurenthd | hi |
| 12:24 | kf | hi hdl |
| 12:24 | have you found the problem? | |
| 12:24 | laurenthd | which one ? |
| 12:24 | laurenthd is now known as hdl | |
| 12:24 | kf | not being able to login to #koha |
| 12:25 | hdl | using mibbit to connect |
| 12:25 | looks like the irc server is refusing me access | |
| 12:26 | because we are quite a number of folks using the same ip | |
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| 12:31 | hilongo | Hello #koha :) |
| 12:34 | slef | hdl: can you switch to ipv6 and get more IPs? ;-) |
| 12:34 | (does this server support ipv6?) | |
| 12:35 | hdl: alternative, use ssh -L 6667:irc.katipo.co.nz:6667 someserver.biblibre.com and connect to localhost as IRC server, bouncing off of a biblibre server IP ;-) | |
| 12:35 | not perfect but OK | |
| 12:43 | hilongo | A quick question about fines ... |
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| 12:43 | hilongo | I am trying 3.2 and have set up circ rules to use days suspension and not maney fines |
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| 12:44 | hilongo | *but* after I run fines.pl ... nothing gets into the fines account of the users with overdue books :( |
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| 12:46 | hilongo | I put the Koha_DEBUG to 1 and I've found that the insertions fail because a duplicated entry '1' |
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| 12:48 | hilongo | anyone who's working with fine days? |
| 12:48 | hdl | hilongo : I have |
| 12:49 | hilongo | hello hdl :) |
| 12:50 | I am testing 3.2 but I can't get fine days to work | |
| 12:52 | hdl | we have done work on that on our master branch. |
| 12:52 | But I have to rebase on 3.2 | |
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| 12:53 | hilongo | I see... |
| 12:54 | so ... how does it work? ... you run fines.pl nightly and the days amount gets in the patron's account? | |
| 12:55 | hdl | No, it is juste updating debarred as a date |
| 12:55 | and using that date to check whether it is over or still active | |
| 12:55 | hilongo | aah .. I see |
| 12:57 | but I thought debarred was a yes/no flag | |
| 12:57 | hdl | you can test that on git.biblibre.com:koha_biblibre.git |
| 12:57 | hilongo : we changed the yes/no flag to be a date | |
| 12:59 | hilongo | great .. that sounds good for us :) |
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| 12:59 | hilongo | any idea about when / if these changes will get into 3.2?? |
| 13:00 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 13:00 | hilongo | Good morning jcamins |
| 13:00 | hdl | I have to work on rebase. |
| 13:02 | hilongo | ok hdl ... I wish you very good luck with that :) |
| 13:06 | jwagner | @later tell reva Sorry I had to leave in a hurry last night. I tested your situation on a current head server, and it also does not read the 852 i to build the item call number. As I suggested last night, this would seem to be a Koha bug and not related to the version being run on our demo site. You should probably open a bugzilla report on the problem. |
| 13:06 | munin | jwagner: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:33 | jcamins | jwagner: Thanks for the jQuery snippet a few weeks ago. I was able to figure out how to add a custom bookplate on opac-details using jQuery yesterday. :) |
| 13:42 | jwagner | jcamins, you're welcome |
| 13:47 | jcamins | Testing Amazon covers is really hard with a collection full of weird books that Amazon doesn't sell. |
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| 13:54 | kf | jcamind: I ended up importing some records where I knew there was a cover |
| 13:55 | jcamins | That would have made sense. I tried searching for only books from 2000 or later, and just paging through the results until I found something. |
| 13:55 | It turns out the covers are working fine. | |
| 13:55 | :) | |
| 13:57 | And I used brendan's CSS snippet to put in a bookplate instead of "cover not found." | |
| 14:02 | Our logo is a bit bold, but I think it probably looks better than "No cover image available." | |
| 14:03 | wizzyrea | link or it didn't happen ;) |
| 14:03 | jcamins | http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]sort_by=relevance |
| 14:03 | wizzyrea: I have eagerly been awaiting someone asking that. | |
| 14:03 | wizzyrea | oh that's very nice |
| 14:04 | that bookplate covers up the amazon image not found? | |
| 14:04 | jcamins | Right. |
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| 14:04 | wizzyrea | just to be sure, you may want to make super double sure that doing that is ok under amazon's terms of service. I can't imagine that it's not, but corporations are weird. |
| 14:05 | but it looks fabulous | |
| 14:05 | :) | |
| 14:05 | :D | |
| 14:05 | jcamins | Hm, yeah, I guess we should probably check. |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | wish I had a logo that looked that awesome as a bookplate. |
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| 14:06 | jcamins | It looks like Koha provides the "no cover image available" text, so I don't think we're obscuring anything provided by Amazon. |
| 14:06 | wizzyrea | cool beans |
| 14:06 | but that really does look faboo | |
| 14:07 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 14:07 | jwagner | It does look very nice indeed |
| 14:08 | sekjal | wizzyrea: you could maybe get some generic bound-book cover (in maroon or blue or green or whatever), and then adjust the "no image found" text to look like a title printed on that cover |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | Ooh. That is a good idea |
| 14:08 | sekjal | perhaps in some kind of gold-leaf like color and weight |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | hehe I can see you've thought a lot about that |
| 14:10 | sekjal | it would be even better if we could use the title instead of 'no image found', but that would involve more than just CSS |
| 14:10 | and could be problematic for long titles | |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 14:10 | kf | jcamins: it took a long time to load the book plate for me |
| 14:11 | jcamins | kf: Yeah, that's on our regular web server. |
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| 14:11 | briceSanc | hi koha |
| 14:12 | do you know how can i log the response of a SQL import in a koha script ? | |
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| 14:16 | libtek | Good morning. I was wondering if anyone here is running Koha for their library independantly without 3rd party support. In other words, is anyone here doing their own support? |
| 14:17 | jcamins | libtek: we did it briefly. |
| 14:17 | Suffice it to say, we love working with ByWater. | |
| 14:18 | sekjal | jcamins: thanks, we love working with you, too. |
| 14:18 | wajasu | looking into how to customize the OPAC details biblio display for an academic library so that various MARC xxx fields are shown. It looks like each new field needs to be "made available" for the HTML::Template, as well as the template updated accordingly. |
| 14:18 | briceSanc | hi sekjal ! |
| 14:19 | sekjal | hi briceSanc |
| 14:19 | jcamins | wajasu: we found working with the XSLT much easier. |
| 14:20 | libtek | jcamins: what prompted you to move to 3rd party support? |
| 14:21 | jcamins | (answering off-channel) |
| 14:22 | wajasu | i could go there. i looked into it. (i.e. removed trailing slash in titles). Is the whole MARCXML record present and we just pick what we would like to show. |
| 14:22 | i keep wanting to write procedural code and have to think XSLT. | |
| 14:24 | jcamins | wajasu: yeah, it requires some adjustments, but you have everything available, and customization is easier. |
| 14:25 | wajasu | does the theme support allow me to grab an existing XSLT, copying it to a new "templatedirectory" and it will override the default XSLT, still using all the other stuff as is. |
| 14:25 | briceSanc | what do you thnk about an extension manager in Koha (like TYPO3)? |
| 14:26 | jcamins | wajasu: I don't think so, but that's an awesome idea. |
| 14:28 | sekjal | alright, #koha, got a meeting; be back in a bit |
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| 14:28 | wizzyrea | i love the idea of extensions in koha |
| 14:29 | briceSanc | it could be a good feature for Koha 3.6 |
| 14:29 | wajasu | yeah. then I can build koha as a distribution package, then my customization would be an optional dependency to install. |
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| 14:30 | wajasu | did you all use an XSLT editor? if so, which one? |
| 14:31 | jcamins | wajasu: vim. ;) |
| 14:31 | wajasu | thats what i use. |
| 14:33 | jcamins | What tags do you need to add to the OPAC? |
| 14:35 | wajasu | i need to add 10+ marc fields to my biblio details that are "missing" as my librarian cries. let me find an email request I got. |
| 14:40 | my librarian wants: http://pastebin.com/VFFCAd8k | |
| 14:42 | jcamins | Oh, so it's not that they're missing, it's that they want a different format. |
| 14:43 | (the first "they" being tags, the second librarians) | |
| 14:44 | wajasu | yeah. i wondered if the whole markxml record from the DB is the input to the XSLT stylesheet, and i would be working against that. Or would I need to inject in perl code other XML from database fields. |
| 14:45 | jcamins | The XSLT works with the entire MARCXML record. |
| 14:46 | Possibly excepting the items... perhaps someone else knows that for sure? | |
| 14:46 | wajasu | ok. thats what i wanted to confirm. and the XSLT outputs HTML and CSS is used for presentation. |
| 14:49 | lets say i spent time doing such a thing, which I assume is a common request, I'd like to have a clean way to configure and override the existing perl/XSLT files without touching the original in the distribution. | |
| 14:51 | jcamins | I don't know how to do that, but I would *love* to have that ability. |
| 14:51 | wajasu | so when updates/release show up, the override "may" work. that way i can manage customizations in the OS package manager. |
| 14:52 | but then I would want to be able to configure the available views "Normal, MARC, ... Academic", with Academic being my default for my library. | |
| 14:54 | jwagner | wajasu, I've been wanting to have local XSLT stylesheets for a while. BibLibre was working on something that was supposed to allow for it. |
| 14:55 | wajasu | i guess i'll try extending the latest XSLT now, and if I'm successful, I'll look into how to make it pluggable. maybe some more logic in how the template is selected. |
| 14:55 | i wanted to learn what the idea of a "theme" is, and what it can do for me. | |
| 14:57 | if i can add a "custommade" theme that has a different JPG/GIF, then can I also add a different XSLTtemplate. | |
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| 15:13 | aarkerio | hi! buenos d�as, in what menu is the option to add my first book? |
| 15:13 | Cataloging ? | |
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| 15:23 | wajasu | yes. cataloguing. you add a biblio ( search via z3950 server ), and add an item(i.e. book) for that biblio. |
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| 15:28 | aarkerio | I don't understand, why I am searching? |
| 15:31 | jcamins | jwagner: I just saw your SFX patch. |
| 15:32 | jwagner | Yes, we finally got mail working on my dev server & I got around to resending it. |
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| 15:32 | jwagner | Now if I could get time to work on some of the _other_ patches on my list.... |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Heh. I have a couple of patches for MARC21 COiNS support that I need to resubmit, but one could build on your patch to support fine-grained link resolving with COiNS. |
| 15:34 | (once I submit those patches, which is prolblematic because they predate my understanding how to use git properly) | |
| 15:41 | * wizzyrea | wonders if anyone has ever written a book titled "using git properly" |
| 15:42 | * jcamins | nominates wizzyrea for writing that book |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | noooo |
| 15:42 | no no no no no | |
| 15:42 | that would be a mistake of epic proportions | |
| 15:42 | * jcamins | looks very sad, like the cat in Shrek |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | now Chris... |
| 15:43 | or gmcharlt... | |
| 15:43 | those guys might be able to write it | |
| 15:43 | gmcharlt | with lots of help - ideally Linus would right it, then have an editor to translate to remove the "Git-qua-Linus" aspects of the text |
| 15:45 | jcamins | I could probably write "how not to use git." |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | ^^ me too |
| 15:45 | though I'm getting better I think | |
| 15:45 | jcamins | It could be shelved in the geek humor section. |
| 15:46 | "Can you believe he did THAT?!? HAhahahahaha!" | |
| 15:57 | Oh wow! You can resize text boxes in the Add MARC window. | |
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| 16:32 | Braedon | jcamins: actually, due to Koha? or are you using the firefox beta? |
| 16:33 | o, wait. apparently 30 minutes has past since you sent the message i was replying to... damn you empathy with your random quits | |
| 16:34 | sorry | |
| 16:34 | jcamins | Oh. I don't know. |
| 16:34 | I'm on Chrome. | |
| 16:34 | Braedon | ahh, ok |
| 16:34 | jcamins | I guess that might be it. |
| 16:35 | Well, whatever the reason, resizing text boxes is really cool. | |
| 16:35 | Braedon | I use the firefox dailys, and a while ago i was like wow, gmail implemented resizing text boxes, awesome. |
| 16:35 | took me a day to realise it was firefox doing it, not some javascript magic | |
| 16:35 | and yes, yes it is :P | |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | i love that in chrome |
| 16:36 | has made my epic jquery sojourns of late bearable | |
| 16:36 | jcamins | See, one of you should have taken credit for it. I wouldn't have known. ;) |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | oh yea that was me >.> |
| 16:40 | j/k | |
| 16:40 | totally not | |
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| 16:44 | Braedon | on a totally unrelated and offtopic note, anyone here happen to be a referencing wizard? |
| 16:44 | I really need to reference this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/5507[…]tware-Engineering But it doesn't seem to be published anywhere. | |
| 16:44 | Of course that would normally mean that i shouldn't and wouldn't reference it, but as i am writing a paper set 15 years in the future(don't ask), relevant resources are extremely hard to come by. | |
| 16:45 | jcamins | Braedon: you're probably on the right kind of channel. |
| 16:45 | Braedon | i hope so. I am looking kinda doomed at the moment :P |
| 16:46 | slef | any kohacon10 organisers awake? I'm confused again :-( |
| 16:47 | Braedon | there seems to be a almost complete lack of reference-able information on sustainable software development. it is very frustraiting. I have found 1 book, with no electronic copy, and that paper, which is written by a student and not published. |
| 16:47 | slef: it is 5am in New Zealand if that helps | |
| 16:47 | slef | Why does Braedon need to reference "1 Rule to a Flat Stomach: Obey"? Or is scribd broken for me again? ;-) |
| 16:48 | Braedon | haha, i'm going to go with broken |
| 16:48 | either that or my sleep deprivation is really getting to me | |
| 16:49 | jcamins | The link worked for me. |
| 16:49 | slef | Braedon: http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/res[…]ustainability.xml |
| 16:49 | jcamins: I think scribd gets upset if it gets told it can't have scripts and cookies. | |
| 16:50 | Braedon: I don't know if that's any help. | |
| 16:50 | jcamins | Braedon: reference it as an unpublished manuscript, if you can't find anything else to use instead. |
| 16:50 | collum | Braedon: worked for me in explorer, not FF, or chrome. |
| 16:52 | Braedon | slef: thanks for the link - may be able to get something out of it |
| 17:01 | collum | Braedon: http://www.yale.edu/bass/writi[…]/unpublished.html |
| 17:03 | Braedon | hmm, ok. thanks collum |
| 17:04 | hdl | collum: if you can test the patch I sent today, i would be gratefull. |
| 17:08 | collum | hdl: Are you getting me and collin mixed up again? :) |
| 17:08 | hdl | omg... |
| 17:08 | I think so. | |
| 17:09 | sorry, end of a day | |
| 17:09 | collum | np. I wasn't as confused this time. |
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| 17:41 | tcohen | hi, if anyone has seen my recent patches |
| 17:41 | i'm willing to discuss them | |
| 17:41 | whenever you want! | |
| 17:42 | sekjal | tcohen: regardless of the outcome of cronjob vs. daemon, I appreciate having access to the various functions. I think what you've done opens up more options for us |
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| 18:34 | cfouts | tcohen: the way we handle servicing both real-time and on-request updates is to use Dan Berstein's daemontools package to trigger and accept index update requests |
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| 18:34 | cfouts | requires no modifications to rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 18:35 | can have a time-based trigger spawned by cron, then also have whatever other tools trigger a rebuild based on whatever criteria | |
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| 18:59 | chris | http://www.airnewzealand.com/airfares-and-deals |
| 18:59 | quick!! | |
| 19:00 | slef | Dan Bernstein's tools generally should be avoided IMO. qmail is a pain that shouldn't be repeated. |
| 19:00 | chris: too late, already booked | |
| 19:00 | looked at internal flight prices today. Ouch. | |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | aww, that's a good deal. Oh well |
| 19:00 | * wizzyrea | is totally booked for the trip, save the car, which may be optional anyway |
| 19:00 | slef | whose dollars are they in? |
| 19:00 | chris | gotta be us |
| 19:02 | the problem i can see with the daemontools is it has the overhead of starting perl, making db connection, etc each time, which is a significant performance hit | |
| 19:02 | slef | Not that much better for UK than I got, actually. :-) |
| 19:03 | chris | sweet slef :) |
| 19:03 | flights from where? | |
| 19:03 | slef | chris: speaking of bookings, Oct 28 seems to be double-booked on www.kohacon10.org.nz |
| 19:03 | cfouts | chris: that hasn't been my experience. that part is actually pretty low overhead, particularly when a human is staring at a web browser waiting for it to happen. |
| 19:03 | slef | chris: London-Auckland |
| 19:04 | chris | slef: i meant the internal ones :) |
| 19:04 | slef | chris: oic. Wellington - something on the south island |
| 19:04 | biab, sorry, dinner calls | |
| 19:04 | chris | cfouts: its gotta be higher overhead than a long running process :) |
| 19:04 | slef: anywhere except christchurch will be expensive | |
| 19:05 | i do quite like the inotify idea tho | |
| 19:05 | jcamins | chris: Argh! And I had finally made peace with not going! |
| 19:05 | chris | lol |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea | it's not too late! |
| 19:05 | chris | i do what i can! |
| 19:06 | jcamins: http://thelibrary.co.nz/ <-- is one of our sponsors now | |
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| 19:07 | chris | k bbiab |
| 19:08 | cfouts | slef: I used to service 40k customer email boxes with qmail. it worked quite nicely, actually. |
| 19:10 | chris | cfouts: im guessing slef was talking about licensing |
| 19:10 | cfouts | chris: sure, but it's a matter of degree. I'm sure there's *some* degree of overhead saved, but when you're comparing the expense of that to writing and maintaining yet-another-daemon-which-listens-to-remote-commands, I'm not sure how well it measures |
| 19:10 | jcamins | ::sigh:: I really still can't afford it. |
| 19:10 | Well, I'll think about it wistfully for a few days. | |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | jcamins: the exchange rate is pretty good atm >.> |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Figures that my conference in LA is Nov. 18-21. |
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| 19:27 | briceSanc | i've a problem, i want to index 100K auths in zebra, but i have the error :Adjust the limits in your zebra.cfg |
| 19:28 | i don't find the zebra.cfg file but i found zebra-authorities.cfg | |
| 19:28 | jcamins | Yes, that's the file you need to edit. |
| 19:29 | change where it says :4G to :16G | |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 19:29 | what he said | |
| 19:29 | jcamins | (it's at the end of two lines, I don't remember which two) |
| 19:29 | briceSanc | i already change 4G to 7G |
| 19:29 | jcamins | Okay, change 7G to 16G |
| 19:29 | briceSanc | ok |
| 19:29 | jcamins | Or 20G. |
| 19:29 | briceSanc | i try |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | I have 340k, and I use 16g |
| 19:30 | (for my test server) | |
| 19:30 | jcamins | It must be nice, to be at a library which has subscriptions to authority data. |
| 19:32 | briceSanc | Do i need to change memMax:50M ? |
| 19:32 | jcamins | wizzyrea: ? |
| 19:32 | I don't think we changed that. | |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | I don't believe I had to change mine |
| 19:32 | * wizzyrea | goes to look |
| 19:32 | jcamins | On the other hand, if you have lots of memory on your server, what's the disadvantage? |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | no, I didn't change mine, it's still 50M |
| 19:33 | briceSanc | ok |
| 19:33 | and i don't change shadow:1G ? | |
| 19:33 | jcamins | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/zebra-cfg.html |
| 19:33 | Change that to the same as the other one. | |
| 19:33 | At least, that's what we did. | |
| 19:34 | I guess I don't know if it's actually necessary. | |
| 19:35 | briceSanc | ok |
| 19:35 | i try this | |
| 19:35 | thanks for your answers | |
| 19:35 | see u later! | |
| 19:36 | jcamins | briceSanc: it looks like indexing will go faster if you increase memMax. |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea: ^^ | |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | things normally go better with more memory, just in general |
| 19:37 | but duly noted | |
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| 19:37 | briceSanc | ok |
| 19:37 | thanks | |
| 19:38 | bye (i need to go) | |
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| 19:38 | wizzyrea | bye |
| 19:47 | chris | You do need to change the shadow |
| 19:47 | Just for the record | |
| 19:49 | It was probably that causing the error | |
| 19:49 | Cos 7g was probably enough | |
| 19:50 | We build the shadow first then replace the live with it | |
| 19:50 | So if the index fails live still works | |
| 19:50 | So it was most likely barfing on that | |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | chris always a fount of information |
| 19:51 | chris | Usually its wrong |
| 19:51 | :) | |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | pft |
| 19:53 | wajasu | from a koha clone, how does one make a release tar (just tar cvf koha_ver.tar kohaclone/*) ? |
| 19:54 | chris | Nope |
| 19:54 | wajasu | my distributions package building script works from a tar (i.e the beta's) and I want to be able to test/install easily. |
| 19:54 | chris | there's a script that does it |
| 19:55 | When I get to work ill find it | |
| 19:55 | (On the bus) | |
| 19:55 | wajasu | i see a line in Makefile.PL Makefile.PL: make manifest tardist |
| 19:55 | chris | Yeah that's it |
| 19:56 | wajasu | perl Makefile.PL manifest tardist then? |
| 19:56 | that starts an interactive install [single/dev] | |
| 19:57 | my other option is to clone the lxc container i'm running in, and just do a dev install. | |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | is there a proper bug for the (ahem) idiotic add items table? |
| 19:58 | because in my current state, typing "idiotic add items table" doesn't bring back any bugs :P | |
| 19:59 | chris | run the makefile.pl |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | where idiotic = shows totally pointless marc fields first |
| 19:59 | chris | And instead of make install |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | and puts the useful information by the scroll |
| 19:59 | chris | make manifest tardist |
| 20:01 | sekjal | I'd love to run the command "make manifest TARDIS", and have it work |
| 20:01 | chris | Change the framework wiz? |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | hehehehehe sekjal |
| 20:01 | * wizzyrea | hears the tardis sound emanating from her computer |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | omg sekjal... what did you DO |
| 20:01 | j/k | |
| 20:03 | sekjal | it's okay, I just opened the Eye of Harmony |
| 20:03 | harmony's a good thing, right? | |
| 20:04 | wajasu | that way I can confirm the latest code has a bug. (i.e. I'm running 3wks old beta, and XSLT opacdetails doesn't show Series: ) I want to confirm. |
| 20:06 | nice to see that dom is the default now instead of grs1 | |
| 20:07 | chris | Ur life will be much easier and will make sending patches easier if you run a testing/dev install from a git clone (dev not standard) |
| 20:07 | And do packages for production | |
| 20:09 | wajasu | you are right. I'll do a dev install. then just do git pull to update. |
| 20:09 | chris | *nod* |
| 20:11 | * chris | is lazy |
| 20:14 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 20:14 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.9�C (1:21 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:14 | chris | @wunder wellington,nz |
| 20:14 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:16 | chris | Ok my stop, back after a coffee |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | it's perfect here today |
| 20:16 | @wunder lawrence, ks | |
| 20:16 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 25.4�C (3:27 PM CDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | almost as perfect as california. |
| 20:19 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 20:19 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 21.3�C (4:25 PM EDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). |
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| 20:19 | richard | hi |
| 20:19 | jcamins | Overcast? That's it. Huh. I guess it's nicer out than it looks. |
| 20:27 | Has the location in item listings always linked back to the library's website? | |
| 20:27 | (on the OPAC) | |
| 20:34 | chris | back |
| 20:39 | jcamins | And it is my cue to leave. |
| 20:39 | Have a good night, #koha | |
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| 20:57 | chris | hey look its backwards kristina :) |
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| 21:08 | jo | just been interviewed for NZ herald about koha |
| 21:08 | chris | oh yeah? |
| 21:08 | brendan | hey jo - that's cool |
| 21:08 | chris | cool |
| 21:08 | jo | and been accused of being communist! |
| 21:08 | chris | by the reporter? |
| 21:09 | jo | for asking how can we as a country NOT use open source - like the albany high open source model for our schools |
| 21:09 | and koha in our public libraries | |
| 21:09 | brendan | heh - oh boy |
| 21:10 | chris | did you say, so plumbers are communists? waiters? barstaff? |
| 21:10 | jo | i think he was laughing |
| 21:10 | chris | free software is a service industry, nothing communist about it, is my standard response |
| 21:10 | jo | bloody hope he was |
| 21:11 | anitsirk | chris: yes. it is. :-) quite easy to remember |
| 21:11 | jo | anyways .... |
| 21:11 | chris | we'll see :) |
| 21:11 | jo | yep. |
| 21:11 | chris | jo: when did we go live .. may ? |
| 21:11 | jo | at least it will get koha on the national pages |
| 21:12 | 27 may we did the deed | |
| 21:12 | chris | ta |
| 21:12 | jo | went live on 28 |
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| 21:14 | chris | hey russ |
| 21:14 | jo: did they say when it might be published? | |
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| 21:16 | chobbs | Tried this question yesterday, didn't get an answer before I needed to log off, so I'll try again: The docs say "TIP: Marking an item Lost via the edit item page will automatically put a fine on the patron's record for the replacement cost of the item". That's not happening on our system (3.00.05). Any ideas? |
| 21:18 | chris | chobbs: its been fixed for 3.2.0 |
| 21:18 | chobbs | Sweet :-) |
| 21:20 | How painful an upgrade will it be? We've done our conversio this summer, and I'm doing training on Thursday for the librarians in our system. I'd almost rather pull the trigger now than have to re-train on anything in a few weeks... | |
| 21:20 | * chobbs | understands that 3.2.0 is basically done, short of an acquisitions problem? |
| 21:23 | chris | thats right |
| 21:29 | id wait for the rc i think | |
| 21:29 | chobbs | Hmm. This is where running vmware comes in handy. Tonight I'll snapshot my koha box, install the latest, and see what it's like, then revert to snapshot if I need to. |
| 21:29 | Any idea on rc release date? | |
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| 21:47 | jo | Chris:no they didn't. they interviewed Rachel as well. she might know |
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| 22:29 | jo | Question: what 'events' trigger the last seen date to update? Presume it is check in?, check out?, edit item? and therefore batch moficication of items? |
| 22:30 | does anyone know - virtual chocolate fish to the people with answers :) | |
| 22:36 | chobbs | jo: you can add import to the list - just converted our library and last seen for everything was set to the import date :-) |
| 22:38 | jo | cool - thanks Chobbs. (flings a chocolate fish across the etherspace) |
| 22:39 | chobbs | Man, summer finally arrived in northern California... |
| 22:39 | @wunder 94568 | |
| 22:39 | munin | chobbs: The current temperature in Country Club Elementary School, San Ramon, California is 41.2�C (3:49 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM PDT Wednesday... |
| 22:40 | robin | they should get some aircon for that school |
| 22:41 | jo | 41 degrees ... good lord thats hot |
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| 22:41 | brendan | wow |
| 22:41 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 22:41 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.9�C (3:51 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:41 | robin | more pleasant: |
| 22:41 | @wunder wellington, nz | |
| 22:41 | chobbs | much! |
| 22:41 | munin | robin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 22:42 | jo | @wunder @levin, nz |
| 22:42 | chobbs | high is supposed to drop 35 deg F over the next 4 days though... |
| 22:42 | munin | jo: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 22:42 | robin | jo: too many @'s |
| 22:42 | jo | so, wunder, are you saying Levin doesn't exist lol |
| 22:42 | robin | @wunder levin, nz |
| 22:42 | munin | robin: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 13.5�C (10:52 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:43 | jo | tahnsk robin |
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