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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:24 | robin | chris: looks like the fix to zebra will be getting into debian, I just tested it and it seems to work. |
| 00:24 | chris | sweet :) |
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| 00:35 | reva | Hi jcamins: Have another two questions. What is the maximum number of characters allowed for the variable fields (say for example, in 500 $a). Or is it limitless? |
| 00:40 | guess I got an answer googling: it is 1230 in a variable field. | |
| 00:52 | darling left #koha | |
| 01:01 | jcamins | reva: I'm just about to leave, but you also need to be careful that the records don't exceed a total of 9999 characters. |
| 01:03 | So you have to be careful with a serials which have a lot of items. | |
| 01:03 | Good night, #koha. | |
| 01:03 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 01:05 | reva | Thanks jcamins: good night! |
| 01:05 | reva left #koha | |
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| 02:43 | wizzyrea_ | *yawn* |
| 02:44 | robin | yeah, mondays are a bit like that. |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea_ | man I wish I were through my monday. |
| 02:44 | chris | isnt it like 10pm sunday? |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea_ | I wish it were over and it hasn't even started yet >.< |
| 02:45 | yep | |
| 02:46 | oh i meant to ask | |
| 02:46 | the pubdate sort for the opac sorts on the 260$c? Right? | |
| 02:48 | chris | think so, would have to check the bib1.att thingy to be sure |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea_ | oh I can look tomorrow |
| 02:48 | since I now know where to look | |
| 02:48 | chris | well one of those zebra files :) |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea_ | ugh. catalogers |
| 02:49 | this $c makes me cry: _c[2010], p2009. | |
| 02:49 | chris | hehe |
| 02:49 | wizzyrea_ | i'm sure it's perfectly correct |
| 02:49 | chris | well its not all their fault, the spec allows that |
| 02:49 | wizzyrea_ | but it really does confuse the results |
| 02:49 | at least, it confuses how the results *look* | |
| 02:49 | chris | yes, the M in MARC is not for Machine, its for Mental |
| 02:50 | wizzyrea_ | as in "you must be mental to try and use this" |
| 02:50 | chris | or you must be mental to expect a machine to be able to use this |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea_ | that too |
| 02:53 | larsw | what has been the Koha community's experience with CGI IRC sites that allow anyone with a browser come to #koha to talk? |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea_ | um, usually pretty good. k-c.org suggests mibbit, people seem to get along with it ok |
| 02:54 | I think the worst thing about it is people refusing to give themselves a nick | |
| 02:55 | larsw | someone's just suggested that Debian set up something, and since #koha is the only place where I've seen people use them, I thought I'd ask here about experiences |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea_ | I think overall it's a positive service to provide on a project website |
| 02:57 | because your least sophisticated users probably aren't going to have a client, and you don't want that to be their barrier to entry | |
| 02:58 | at least, that's my opinion | |
| 02:58 | the only caveat with mibbit is that you can't link to freenode rooms. | |
| 02:58 | larsw | have there been any other problems apart from name/nicklessness? |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea_ | I can't think of any, maybe someone else can |
| 02:59 | chris | every so often you get some trolls |
| 02:59 | richard | i think the only problems have been with kids getting into the channel via the cgi app on koha.org |
| 02:59 | chris | yeah |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea_ | that was more of a problem before we had ops |
| 03:01 | larsw | one gets trolls in any case |
| 03:03 | chris | tis true |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea_ | ok, i'm trying to be non-librarian-y |
| 03:04 | I want to say "select the type of material you would like to know about" but I think that "material" is a librarian word | |
| 03:04 | item type, same thing | |
| 03:05 | chris | yeah |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea_ | select the type of stuff you are looking for? |
| 03:05 | stuff seems to casual | |
| 03:05 | larsw | "hey, you there, what are you interested in? tell me now! I want to know!" |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea_ | :D |
| 03:06 | Select the category you are interested in? | |
| 03:06 | that seems somewhat less librarian-y | |
| 03:06 | maybe I don't even have to say it | |
| 03:06 | that would be neat | |
| 03:07 | larsw | "Select what you're interested in"? |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea_ | Are you looking for the newest stuff in the NExpress Collection? Clicking any category will bring up a list of the newest stuff in our collection. Enjoy! |
| 03:08 | chris | newest stuff in that category ? |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea_ | i'm a g-d english major and i'm totally flummoxed by this |
| 03:08 | robin | "What kind of item are you looking for?" |
| 03:09 | chris | "Pick a category yo!" |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea_ | We've got shizzle you might like, pick a type, yo. |
| 03:09 | chris | heh |
| 03:09 | fo rizzle | |
| 03:09 | * wizzyrea_ | giggles |
| 03:10 | robin | http://bash.org/?2635 |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea_ | rofl |
| 03:10 | I love bash.org. | |
| 03:10 | * wizzyrea_ | just snorted |
| 03:10 | larsw | http://lists.debian.org/debian[…]/08/msg00268.html (what I wrote about web irc) |
| 03:12 | chris | larsw: http://code.d.cx/?p=cgiirc.git;a=summary |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea_ | larsw++ |
| 03:12 | larsw | chris, that's even packaged in Debian, it seems |
| 03:13 | chris | yup |
| 03:13 | larsw | but I'll let those in Debian who actually want to work on this figure that out ;)I |
| 03:13 | chris | :) |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea_ | hehe |
| 03:13 | * larsw | goes look for book stores that sell DRM-free e-books instead |
| 03:13 | robin | http://www.baen.com/ <-- larsw |
| 03:14 | larsw | just got there :) |
| 03:14 | a friend gave me this: | |
| 03:14 | http://wiki.mobileread.com/wik[…]shers_without_DRM | |
| 03:14 | robin | actually, I was reading on of their collections, and part way through it had an obit to Jim Baen that focussed on his strong anti-DRM stance. |
| 03:14 | wizzyrea_ | oh this is totally one of my peeves re: libraries |
| 03:14 | larsw | next I need someone to tell me what I want to buy ;) |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea_ | everybody knows that libraries should have ebooks |
| 03:15 | but nobody knows how to implement it because of the DRM | |
| 03:16 | and the most popular devices don't always support non-drm content. | |
| 03:16 | so that leaves the libraries in the position of basically becoming free support hubs for multinational corporations | |
| 03:16 | which I think is bogus. </rant> | |
| 03:17 | larsw | wizzyrea, indeed |
| 03:17 | robin | really? I thought everything (except locked-in devices like Kindle) did non-DRMed files. |
| 03:17 | the stupid Baen free books have meant that I need to buy the remainder of a couple of series from them. First hit is free, and all that :) | |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea_ | the kindle, sony ereader, and I think the nook don't do non-drm (I think) |
| 03:18 | there are non-drm readers for iphone | |
| 03:18 | and android, presumably | |
| 03:18 | robin | yeah, I had one on android. |
| 03:18 | But I can't read on that. | |
| 03:19 | wizzyrea_ | < has read most of doctorow's stuff on her iPhone (shh. I recognize the relative hypocrisy of my above rant given my choice of mobile device, but I can't afford to replace it atm, and I like it <ashamed>) |
| 03:19 | larsw | I've read most of doctorow's stuff on my n900 :) |
| 03:20 | robin | The small glowing screens get a bit much for my eyes quite quickly. |
| 03:20 | * robin | <3's his Kobo reader :) |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea_ | I'm really excited for the kobo US release |
| 03:20 | yea, I have to turn the brightness way way way down | |
| 03:21 | but I do most of my reading at night while everybody is asleep, so not needing an additional light is nice :P | |
| 03:21 | larsw | I played with the kobo at a Wellington bookstore again (this time they had a working demo device) -- I'm still not convinced i like e-ink screens; I like that my phone's screen is illuminated |
| 03:21 | but that's the point, sort of -- one should not have to be tied to a specific kind of device for reading books | |
| 03:21 | robin | I turn the light on. |
| 03:21 | You can also attach booklights to it | |
| 03:22 | wizzyrea_ | I think I got it: "We're adding things to NExpress every day. Pick your favorite category and see what's new!" |
| 03:22 | chris | that works |
| 03:22 | larsw | ooh! a new bujold, and in the vorkosigan series no less |
| 03:22 | (sorry, totally off-topic) | |
| 03:23 | robin | I'm currently getting through the 16xx series at the moment. But I have the first two of the 'dragon tattoo' books in dead-tree format that I need to get into, too. |
| 03:25 | wizzyrea_ | I just started the Hunger Games |
| 03:25 | which is really really good so far. | |
| 03:27 | robin | hmm, looks interesting |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea_ | I think it's technically a YA title |
| 03:27 | robin | according to wikipedia, it is |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea_ | doesn't really read like one though. YA stuff has gotten really good lately, imo |
| 03:29 | robin | I don't frequent libraries enough to keep up on it. I'm too prone to owing late fees, so I buy, which means I go for the safety of what I know. |
| 03:29 | If only the local library would use Koha, I could put something in so I would never owe fees....;) | |
| 03:29 | wizzyrea_ | hehe! |
| 03:30 | a great number of my libraries don't do fines | |
| 03:30 | chris | well the advance notices in koha help with that actually |
| 03:30 | larsw | robin, heh, I stopped using libraries in 1994 since it was cheaper for me to buy books than pay late fees |
| 03:31 | robin | chris: yeah. I don't think the welly library does them. At least, my flatmate always ends up owing. |
| 03:31 | larsw: yeah. And now ebooks are cheap... | |
| 03:31 | chris | naw, im not sure many systems apart from koha have that |
| 03:31 | wizzyrea_ | so if the library didn't charge fees, you would use it more? |
| 03:32 | robin | possibly, yeah. |
| 03:32 | well | |
| 03:32 | fees I'm OK with. | |
| 03:32 | larsw | wizzyrea, if I kept staying in the same hemisphere as the library, I might |
| 03:32 | chris | heh |
| 03:32 | wizzyrea_ | hehe |
| 03:32 | robin | But my natural laziness combined with fines never ends well |
| 03:32 | although, given I work so close to the library, I should reevaluate that. | |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea_ | I'm lucky to um, yea, have an account that never gets fined. |
| 03:33 | robin | but, for now I have a backlog of my own owned books to get through. |
| 03:33 | larsw | meh, using unfamiliar web sites to try to choose a book from authors I've never heard of is hard |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea_ | but... heh |
| 03:33 | chris | the reason i dont use welly library is |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea_ | because of the way our consortium works |
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| 03:33 | wizzyrea_ | I can order a book |
| 03:33 | chris | their catalogue software sux |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea_ | and it shows up on my desk at work >.> |
| 03:33 | chris | and i cant find anything on it |
| 03:33 | thats what 400k a year gets ya | |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea_ | sirsi? |
| 03:33 | chris | TLC |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea_ | ah, even better. |
| 03:34 | I hated how in sirsi you could never bookmark a search | |
| 03:34 | chris | http://www.wcl.govt.nz/easyfind/ |
| 03:34 | wizzyrea_ | because it all used sessions |
| 03:34 | chris | its so good, you have buy another piece of proprietary software |
| 03:34 | to stick over the top | |
| 03:35 | http://whekenui.wcl.govt.nz/cg[…]tBasicTerms+11418 <-- out of the box | |
| 03:35 | wizzyrea_ | UGH aquabrowser |
| 03:35 | chris | yeah |
| 03:35 | non pastable urls either | |
| 03:35 | wizzyrea_ | what kind of a name is "aquabrowser" |
| 03:35 | larsw | 400k/year sounds like it would buy a lot of support for Koha... |
| 03:35 | chris | whats that bout |
| 03:35 | larsw | support + custom development |
| 03:35 | chris | considering version 1 costs $60k |
| 03:36 | yep :) | |
| 03:36 | s/costs/cost/ | |
| 03:36 | wizzyrea_ | um, yea, it would buy a lot of koha. |
| 03:36 | chris | so yeah, i cant find any albums by 'the the' |
| 03:36 | in either of their interfaces | |
| 03:37 | and i know they have some | |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea_ | you can in koha? |
| 03:37 | chris | yeah we dont do stop words |
| 03:37 | robin | it uses frames, which makes it tricky to bookmark too. |
| 03:37 | chris | COS THEY ARE STUPID! |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea_ | lol tell us how you really feel |
| 03:37 | chris | i mean, use them for sorting by all means |
| 03:37 | but silently dropping them from your search .. is just silly | |
| 03:38 | larsw | ugh... baen advertises an ebook by vinge, and then when I try to buy it, it is not currently available... meh, publishing industry is a pain |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea_ | meh indeed. |
| 03:38 | robin | larsw: keep in mind that they have a 'pre-release' scheme, so it may be part of that |
| 03:38 | via webscriptions | |
| 03:38 | larsw | robin, pre-release? for a four-year-old book? |
| 03:39 | robin | ah, then no |
| 03:39 | this is, you get books in quarters or so as it's being proofed. | |
| 03:40 | larsw | actually, I don't hate the publishing industry, I just wish they'd not keep shooting themselves in the foot |
| 03:41 | I like reading e-books (less to carry when moving...), but it's too hard to buy them, unless I give in to proprietary stuff like the kindle or iphone/ipad | |
| 03:41 | but I won't, so I suffer | |
| 03:41 | robin | It's easier to buy them if they're DRM free :) |
| 03:42 | I see people having all kinds of hassles with the Adobe DRM manager thing | |
| 03:42 | and that presumes they're on a platform it supports. | |
| 03:42 | (which I'm not) | |
| 03:43 | larsw | for physical books, I'm spoiled by Amazon, which makes things really easy for me as a customer; however, for e-books they have convinced me I'm not welcome |
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| 03:45 | larsw | and now when I find a book I want and it is available, the store wants me to enter irrelevant personal information, such as phone numbers |
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| 06:56 | robin | larsw: how do you feel about writing us an open source version of MARCEdit before you head off? ;) |
| 06:58 | larsw | robin, I don't think I have time for that anymore (we're heading for the mountains tomorrow...), but if you can find someone to pay me, I'll be happy to discuss that in two weeks, when I'm in Edinburgh |
| 06:58 | robin | I make no promises :) I just have the feeling that hacking Perl scripts to munge MARC into funny shapes is going to get old fast. |
| 07:01 | larsw | cool :) |
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| 07:05 | kf | morning #koha |
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| 07:12 | kf | hi hdl and francharb |
| 07:12 | francharb | hello kf |
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| 07:14 | kf | morning magnus |
| 07:15 | hdl | hi kf |
| 07:15 | magnus | hiya kf, hdl et al |
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| 07:19 | greenmang | @wunder mumbai |
| 07:19 | munin | greenmang: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (12:40 PM IST on August 23, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:19 | greenmang | !thanks |
| 07:20 | magnus | @wunder bodo |
| 07:20 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:25 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:25 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.4�C (9:35 AM CEST on August 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:27 | kf | hm, reveived old koha mails in the last minutes |
| 07:27 | from last week or older | |
| 07:32 | magnus | me too |
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| 07:39 | chris | hello europe |
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| 07:49 | magnus | hello new zeeeeland! |
| 07:52 | kf | hi chris :) |
| 07:54 | * chris | sends his standard send a patch email |
| 07:54 | chris | it seems i do it at least 3 times a week :) |
| 07:56 | kf | I hope they write an RFC :) |
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| 07:56 | kf | I am curious (as always) |
| 07:58 | chris | im sure they will |
| 07:58 | osslabs are very organised | |
| 08:03 | robin & larsw: i just wish we could convince the guy who writes it, to release it under a free software license | |
| 08:04 | problem is, its written in c#, so to run it on linux it needs mono | |
| 08:04 | ptfs released another 'freeware' but not free software marc utility suite | |
| 08:04 | which is missing the point imho | |
| 08:05 | the only reason i could think of to do that, would be ego | |
| 08:06 | 'im the smartest person in the world, no one could possibly fix any of my bugs except me' | |
| 08:06 | </rant> | |
| 08:07 | kf | you talking about marcedit? |
| 08:07 | chris | yep |
| 08:07 | 19:06 < robin> larsw: how do you feel about writing us an open source version of MARCEdit before you head off? ;) | |
| 08:07 | kf | ah |
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| 08:49 | jcamins_a | @later tell wizzyrea the whole pubdate/copydate indexing issue is very confusing. |
| 08:49 | munin | jcamins_a: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:50 | Amit | heya kf |
| 08:51 | kf | hi Amit |
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| 09:04 | DaGentooB | ok can someone explain the marcrecord and biblio hashes to me? |
| 09:05 | in label-item-search.pl | |
| 09:05 | this for loop goes around through 213 search results and when i=21 it can't find biblio numbers for the biblio hash | |
| 09:06 | I really need to get this working | |
| 09:10 | chris | what version of koha |
| 09:11 | DaGentooB | 3.01.00.145 |
| 09:11 | chris | ill look |
| 09:11 | DaGentooB | ok |
| 09:11 | chris | but ive never looked at the labels stuff |
| 09:12 | for those type of questions the koha-devel list is a better place than here, lots more people will see it | |
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| 09:12 | DaGentooB | well I put this line in warn sprintf('biblionumber = %s biblio = %s marcrecord = %s i = %s hits = %s', $biblio->{'biblionumber'}, $biblio , $marcrecord, $i , $hits); |
| 09:13 | right after my $biblio = TransformMarcToKoha( C4::Context->dbh, $marcrecord, '' ); | |
| 09:13 | and it returns label-item-search.pl: biblionumber = biblio = HASH(0x9ad1614) marcrecord = MARC::Record=HASH(0x9a4cf6c) i = 182 hits = 213 | |
| 09:13 | on one of them | |
| 09:14 | biblionumber is not making it through | |
| 09:15 | chris | its probably better to do |
| 09:16 | use Data::Dumper; | |
| 09:16 | warn Dumper $biblio; | |
| 09:16 | then you can see whats actually in the hash | |
| 09:17 | DaGentooB | this is where the guy that knows C gets in trouble in perl |
| 09:17 | I will try and let you know | |
| 09:17 | chris | you could dump the marcrecord too |
| 09:23 | DaGentooB | after result 21 they all loook like this |
| 09:23 | [Mon Aug 23 11:43:49 2010] [error] [client 192.168.42.101] [Mon Aug 23 11:43:49 2010] label-item-search.pl: $VAR1 = {};, referer: http://library:8080/cgi-bin/ko[…]3&type=labels [Mon Aug 23 11:43:49 2010] [error] [client 192.168.42.101] [Mon Aug 23 11:43:49 2010] label-item-search.pl: $VAR1 = bless( {, referer: http://library:8080/cgi-bin/ko[…]batch_id=3&ty | |
| 09:26 | chris | there we go |
| 09:27 | that explains why no biblionumber, biblio is an empty hash | |
| 09:27 | was there more for the $record ? | |
| 09:28 | DaGentooB | that was all it showed |
| 09:29 | chris | hmm |
| 09:29 | DaGentooB | I left my line in so I just copied everything from one result to the next |
| 09:29 | chris | it must have got truncated |
| 09:29 | in the log | |
| 09:29 | DaGentooB | I am going to do it again to be sure |
| 09:30 | well the first 20 are HUGE | |
| 09:30 | chris | yup |
| 09:31 | so if the record is empty, then the biblio will in turn be empty | |
| 09:32 | DaGentooB | ok.... so why does it return #21 empty every time I search anything? |
| 09:32 | chris | not sure, it doesnt for me |
| 09:33 | DaGentooB | hmmm what version are you using? |
| 09:33 | chris | master |
| 09:33 | so the same as you | |
| 09:34 | maybe dump marcresults->[$i] | |
| 09:34 | DaGentooB | also do you have a list of the perl modules you have installed? |
| 09:34 | chris | nope |
| 09:34 | but everything koha needs is installed | |
| 09:38 | DaGentooB | [Mon Aug 23 12:00:10 2010] [error] [client 192.168.42.101] [Mon Aug 23 12:00:10 2010] label-item-search.pl: $VAR1 = '842';, referer: http://library:8080/cgi-bin/ko[…]3&type=labels |
| 09:38 | from 21 on down | |
| 09:39 | chris | thats for marcresults->[$i] ? |
| 09:39 | DaGentooB | yeah |
| 09:40 | chris | so you get 20 records, then 842 .. again an again? |
| 09:40 | have you tried a full zebra reindex? | |
| 09:40 | DaGentooB | no |
| 09:40 | 842 | |
| 09:40 | 840 | |
| 09:40 | 84 | |
| 09:40 | 839 | |
| 09:40 | 837 | |
| 09:40 | 835 | |
| 09:40 | kf | ? |
| 09:41 | DaGentooB | the #VAR11 = |
| 09:41 | the number changes every time | |
| 09:41 | I just copied one | |
| 09:41 | I am using the nozebra | |
| 09:42 | + normal search results work GREAT | |
| 09:42 | chris | thats probably the problem then |
| 09:42 | DaGentooB | nozebra? |
| 09:42 | chris | yeah |
| 09:42 | DaGentooB | oh wow |
| 09:42 | I was hoping to avoid Zebra | |
| 09:42 | is there a transition guide somewhere? | |
| 09:42 | chris | well nozebra has lots of issues, and youve just found one :) |
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| 09:43 | DaGentooB | k |
| 09:44 | is there any guide on where to get started on that? | |
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| 09:45 | DaGentooB | about Perl Modules says Graphics::Magick need updated.... that wouldn't cause this right? |
| 09:46 | I tried to update it but Koha doesn't see the new one | |
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| 09:47 | chris | no |
| 09:47 | this is the search returning bad results | |
| 09:48 | DaGentooB | k |
| 09:48 | does your version print the label boarders on the PDF? | |
| 09:48 | chris | havent trid |
| 09:48 | DaGentooB | k |
| 09:48 | chris | i just tried the search now |
| 09:48 | DaGentooB | ajd |
| 09:48 | ahd | |
| 09:48 | chris | first time ive ever looked at the labels stuff |
| 09:48 | DaGentooB | ok I can type |
| 09:48 | and? | |
| 09:49 | it is nice if you want to have a label on everything | |
| 09:50 | chris | yeah the search works fine with zebra |
| 09:50 | DaGentooB | k |
| 09:50 | any advice on how to set it up? | |
| 09:51 | chris | take a look at the INSTALL.debian file |
| 09:51 | starting at around line 170 | |
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| 09:52 | chris | once you have got zebrasrv running, and have the index built, then switch the syspref |
| 09:52 | DaGentooB | ok thanks |
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| 10:26 | kf | lunch time, bbl |
| 10:30 | chris | mmmm lunch |
| 10:30 | that must mean its nearly bed time for me | |
| 11:08 | kf | :) |
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| 11:37 | kf | hi jwagner |
| 11:37 | have you already chosen your desk to hide under for today? ;) | |
| 11:39 | jwagner | kf, hi, I haven't come out from last week yet! |
| 11:40 | kf | oh, if you want a change I can invite you over :) |
| 11:40 | jwagner | At least things should ease up for a while now (she hopes). Four sites going live in six weeks was a bit much..... |
| 11:40 | kf | today is one of these typical mondasys... |
| 11:40 | * jwagner | is packing my bags! |
| 11:41 | kf | but all ok now? |
| 11:43 | jwagner | At least they're all up and running, and now it's just the post-golive tweaks and panics.... |
| 11:45 | kf | ah |
| 11:45 | I found out today, that one of our libraries was still sending emails with our address... and no one ever noticed | |
| 11:46 | post-golive problems ;) | |
| 11:46 | jwagner | Yep. They happen.... Not that anyone WE know ever panics or anything..... |
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| 11:49 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 11:49 | druthb | hi! :) |
| 11:50 | mib_xxkay | Hey all. ......any news on a 3.2 release yet?? |
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| 12:03 | magnus | mib_xxkay: don't think so, not a set date anyway |
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| 13:06 | jcamins_a | Good morning, #koha |
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| 13:15 | Danke | i'm setting up a koha install for a small community center, they've mostly got children's toys. i really need to simplify the program as much as possible... should i make a new marc record and basically delete almost everything? |
| 13:15 | marc framework sorry | |
| 13:15 | jcamins | Danke: I'd suggest hiding everything. |
| 13:15 | In case you later decide that you need some of the fields that you hid. | |
| 13:16 | Danke | how do i do that? i've pretty much just finished installing koha, i don't know my way around it myself |
| 13:16 | ah, that sounds like a good move | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | There are instructions in the manual... let me find them. |
| 13:17 | Danke | ah, brilliant. is there a pdf or anything for the manual? |
| 13:17 | jcamins | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x3727#AEN3730 |
| 13:17 | search for "hidden" on that page. | |
| 13:18 | Actually, it's worth it to just read the entire page, but the part you want is under "hidden." | |
| 13:18 | Danke | okay, thank you very much. i'll read through now |
| 13:19 | i should probably go through the whole thing, i know my way around linux... but i know next to nothing about running libraries! haha | |
| 13:19 | jcamins | In that case you should definitely read the entire manual. |
| 13:19 | I'd recommend twice. | |
| 13:19 | Or three times, like I did. ;) | |
| 13:20 | Danke | :) i've got till wednesday before they start cataloging everything on paper. should be fine then! |
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| 13:22 | Danke | to move an install to a new machine can i basically copy the mysql databases? |
| 13:23 | jcamins | I don't know, but you can use mysqldump and then restore everything onto the new computer. |
| 13:23 | Danke | brilliant, thank you :) |
| 13:25 | mib_xxkay | I am getting this email for overdues "These messages were not sent directly to the patrons." does anyone know where to start t/shooting? v3.0.6 |
| 13:25 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 13:25 | mib_xxkay | sorry v3.0.5 |
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| 13:26 | jcamins | mib_xxkay: I don't know anything about 3.0.x or overdues, but perhaps someone else can help. |
| 13:28 | mib_xxkay | thanks.......hope so! |
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| 13:37 | tcohen | hi, if a preference is not defined, what does the calling script receive? empty? null? |
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| 13:47 | druthb | should be NULL, tcohen. |
| 13:48 | tcohen | druthb: thanks |
| 13:49 | druthb | you betcha. |
| 13:49 | * druthb | waves to schuster |
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| 14:05 | jwagner | My brain has frozen -- need some help on a holds problem. Multiple branches, they allow holds between branches. Placing holds works on the test server but doesn't on production (claiming things are unavailable or need override). Where should I be looking for policy differences? |
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| 14:05 | wizzyrea_ | default rules? |
| 14:06 | jwagner | That's where I'm looking, but in theory what's in place should work. |
| 14:06 | * jwagner | isn't sure about theory sometimes. |
| 14:06 | jwagner | I think all the sysprefs are set the same. |
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| 14:08 | schuster | circ and fine rules by branch if they vary? |
| 14:08 | have to shutdown and move my desk back in a bit. | |
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| 14:27 | kf | jwagner: which error message do you get? |
| 14:33 | jwagner | No error -- the hold just doesn't place. |
| 14:34 | Am finding some things in the error log to wonder about, though. | |
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| 14:59 | jwagner | Found it -- error in this site's table structure. |
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| 15:46 | mib_xxkay | Anyone around who might know why some overdue emails return this message----> "These messages were not sent directly to the patrons." |
| 15:47 | schuster | no email in the borrower record? |
| 15:47 | mib_xxkay | No, the address is there and valid! |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea_ | is it possible that you have email addresses in the non-primary email fields? |
| 15:49 | because only the home email address sends notices | |
| 15:49 | mib_xxkay | interesting! Let me take a look |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea_ | the rest are just there for staff reference |
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| 15:51 | mib_xxkay | @wizzyrea - Thanks for that, the email is set to "work" and nothing in "home". That must be the problem as the other patrons all have "home" addresses. Thanks!! |
| 15:51 | munin | mib_xxkay: Error: "wizzyrea" is not a valid command. |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea_ | sure thing mib_xxkay |
| 15:53 | (we ran up against that one too, can you tell? ;)) | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Koha has spoiled me to other ILSes. |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea_ | we even went so far as to add to the project a label to each field that generates notices that it does so |
| 15:54 | jcamins | I am currently looking at a catalog which shows only author, title, and location. |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea_ | :/ |
| 16:05 | kf | jcamins: I am spoiled to |
| 16:05 | jwagner | We did a patch a while back so that the notices obey the AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref -- that should be in head now, I think. |
| 16:05 | kf | can't stand catalogs where you can't bookmark every page |
| 16:06 | sekjal | jwagner: yes, I recall that got folded in |
| 16:07 | kf | to = too... |
| 16:07 | evil mondays... | |
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| 16:23 | kf | bye :) |
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| 16:43 | reva | Hi again, good morning. I have a question: I am using DDC for some parts of our collection and ICS for Documentary Standards for other parts of our collection. Would defining 852 be the thing to do? and then choose Z (other classification scheme) for my default? |
| 16:43 | jcamins | reva: I would recommend using items. |
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| 16:44 | reva | I am not following? I need to tell the item record which tag to use to get the call number, correct? |
| 16:45 | jcamins | Only if you want to change from the default settings (952). At least, so far as I know. |
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| 16:47 | reva | Ok, so let us say, I leave 092ab (meant for local DDC nuber) in the Marc structure subfield edit. It works fine. But if I want to use ICS scheme for parts of the collection, and if I choose Z as my defaut, what happens? I am not quite sure how it will behave if you mix schemes. |
| 16:48 | jcamins | reva: Oh, I see what you're asking about. |
| 16:48 | I enter call numbers directly into the item records. | |
| 16:49 | We have very silly call numbers. | |
| 16:50 | reva | jcamins: ok, that is one possiblity, entering directly into the item record. The do I leave the provided defaults alone? silly how? |
| 16:51 | jcamins | We don't have any classification system. Just Cutter numbers to put books in order. |
| 16:51 | We just left the default settings, and only put holdings information into items. | |
| 16:51 | Well, usually. | |
| 16:52 | But you don't have 165k records with problematic holdings data, so perhaps someone else could suggest a better way to do things. | |
| 16:52 | reva | jcamins: we have class numbers for our non- "documentary standard"s material. Like metrology in the 610s and books on ISO9000 (quality) would be in 389 (social services!) |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 16:54 | reva | jcamins: fortunately not that many records. May be about 2000 total. maybe I am calling the fire-brigade for a kitchen fire?? |
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| 16:55 | owen | Hi all |
| 16:55 | * owen | straggles in |
| 16:55 | hdl | hi owen |
| 16:55 | reva | Ok, I will also do the same thing, I mean put it in the item record, instead of in the bib-record. |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea_ | hey owen |
| 16:56 | good morning. Rough weekend? | |
| 16:56 | owen | Oh you know me, up all night drinkin' and such. |
| 16:56 | No, actually I was with my daughter who was without entertainment or supervision for the day | |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea_ | ooh |
| 16:57 | cait | hi all |
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| 17:03 | reva | jcamins: I thought maybe I could define 852bhi (sub-location, classification, item) in the ItemCallNumber found under Administration->Global System Preferences->Cataloging and the Defaut Classification Source (found under the same path) to Z instead of DDC. |
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| 17:06 | reva | Of course, then I would go to the 852 under MARC structure and un-hide the chosen subfield so we can input the call number. I will try it out in the liblime demo and see what it does. |
| 17:07 | wizzyrea_ | well, the liblime demo isn't koha |
| 17:07 | http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/ | |
| 17:07 | u: bywater, p: bywater | |
| 17:08 | is pretty close to current head | |
| 17:08 | reva | wizzyrea: I know; but isn't bywater also a vendor version, so will be substantially different from the community supported version? |
| 17:08 | wizzyrea_ | nope |
| 17:08 | that demo is the current head of the communty version | |
| 17:08 | they are hosting the mainline demo for the project | |
| 17:09 | reva | wizzyrea: ok, stand corrected.:) |
| 17:09 | sekjal | reva: it's the community's demo, we're just hosting it (at least that's how I think of it) |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea_ | ^^ |
| 17:09 | reva | wizzyrea, come to recall, I do get responses from bywater, which I have never from liblime! |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea_ | they are awfully busy over at LL |
| 17:10 | reva | any takers for the 852bhi for my mixed scheme call number needs? |
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| 17:11 | reva | wizzyrea, you are surely saying that with sarcasm, I think. |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea_ | nope, utter sincerity |
| 17:12 | reva | ok, stand corrected again. |
| 17:13 | sekjal | we're really busy over here at ByWater, too. I'm never bored in this job |
| 17:13 | reva | ok I will try my 852bhi cook up in bywater demo now. |
| 17:13 | jwagner | reva, I know one of our people was in touch with you because he asked me some questions. Haven't you heard back from him? |
| 17:14 | reva | no, he kept answering the question that was already answered by Nicole (I forget the last name). It was as if he could only see a part of my email:(. I think it was Brendan. |
| 17:15 | jwagner | No Brendan is Bywater. John Rose from PTFS/Liblime was in touch. |
| 17:17 | reva | jwagner: I thought you are asking regarding Bywater. |
| 17:18 | Never heard of John Rose. The canned answer I got had the sing off Susan someone. | |
| 17:18 | jwagner | Sorry, am on phone call -- back in a bit |
| 17:18 | paul_p | Susan Buchanan |
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| 17:33 | jwagner | Am back, sorry about that |
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| 17:52 | owen | slef around by any chance? |
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| 18:30 | rhcl | any coders working on suspended holds? |
| 18:33 | sekjal | PTFS's Harley has some code towards that, on branch bug3488. |
| 18:34 | rhcl | hummm |
| 18:37 | sekjal | looks like it's all in a single commit, so it may be cherry-pickable |
| 18:37 | does a lot of changes to the database, though | |
| 18:37 | adds a whole new table for suspended reserves, and adds a reservenumber field to reserves | |
| 18:38 | rhcl | strange, I wouldn't intuitively think that should be required |
| 18:38 | maybe better to have somebody else try a fresh approach? | |
| 18:38 | sekjal | I would think it to be more of a 'status' marker, rather than a new table, but perhaps it's a speed decision |
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| 18:39 | sekjal | I've done a lot of thinking about how to improve holds |
| 18:39 | putting a primary key field on the table was my first step | |
| 18:39 | rhcl | suspended holds is important to us |
| 18:40 | sekjal | so the Harley code may be a good starting place |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | sekjal. Please. Please. Do. That. |
| 18:40 | wouldn't that begin to address the simultaneous holds issue? | |
| 18:40 | sekjal | yes |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | made of win. Win all over the place. |
| 18:41 | owen | Yeah, leaving a primary key out of reserves is a long-standing omission |
| 18:41 | sekjal | there would need to be some duplicate checking on the submission of the form |
| 18:42 | a subroutine would take care of that | |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | that alone would fix a lot of stuff |
| 18:42 | owen, are you still a ways back on your production install? | |
| 18:42 | or are you close to head? | |
| 18:42 | owen | We're a little ways back |
| 18:42 | * wizzyrea | giggles a little |
| 18:43 | owen | 3.01.00.061 |
| 18:43 | chris | sekjal: you can still race condition, if the checking is in the code |
| 18:43 | owen | To ByWater's credit, they've asked us a couple of times if we're ready for an update :) |
| 18:44 | * owen | is in "ain't broke" mode at the moment |
| 18:44 | chris | putting the check and the insert inside a transaction at db level |
| 18:44 | * wizzyrea | can't talk about that. |
| 18:44 | chris | might be the way to go |
| 18:45 | sekjal | chris: yeah! |
| 18:45 | chris | sekjal: wasabi has been doing some holds work too |
| 18:45 | so you might want to touch base with him | |
| 18:46 | sekjal | chris: yes |
| 18:46 | definitely | |
| 18:46 | chris | fwiw i think a status column vs a new table is the win |
| 18:46 | index that column, it will be faster than a join | |
| 18:48 | sekjal | I'd like to see all the developers working on holds get together and talk about a unified specification |
| 18:48 | so we're all working towards the same end | |
| 18:48 | and solving our problems in consistent ways | |
| 18:49 | cfouts | I think a reserves state-machine diagram would be a nice feature |
| 18:53 | reva | just wanted tell jwagner:, I heard from a John Rose. But a good answer deserved another question. about some subfields not displaying though I have un-hid them and I can edit them. This is further puzzles on call number tags and mixed classification schemes. |
| 18:55 | and jcamins: remember, i was asking about the Print Constants (such as Contents, Partial Contents, etc. in 505) not displaying. They do in the OPAC, only not in the staff side. May be that is normal behavior for all ILS. | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | reva: sorry, I should have asked you that first. |
| 18:56 | reva | it is not you, I always forget to check OPAC side. |
| 19:00 | cait | good night all |
| 19:01 | jcamins | reva: I (and I think many others) never worry about what the staff interface looks like: my staff understand MARC. |
| 19:01 | rhcl | night night cait |
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| 19:03 | wizzyrea | we worry very much about how the staff interface looks :P |
| 19:04 | reva | I should make a pracitce of looking at both sides as I am training people for an abbreviated level cataloging. And I think I "see" oddities where it does not exist.:( |
| 19:04 | cait | kf: we too - our librarians know nothing about marc |
| 19:04 | jwagner | Sorry, I've been off working on something, did you have a question for me? |
| 19:04 | cait | hmm I am really tired... speaking to myself.. |
| 19:05 | ok, really leaving now :) | |
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| 19:06 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think my statement must have been correct, though, because the staff interface had links to the OPAC for how long? |
| 19:06 | reva | Yes, or for John Rose anyway. Ok, for example, when I set 092ab2 as my look-up field for local call number (I have un-hid all the three sub-fields and I can input values in them) but the edition sub-field ($2) does not show up. I have to manually enter it again in the item record for it to show. Am I missing a step? |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | can't be that long, because xslt detail hasn't been in that long. |
| 19:08 | reva | that last was for jwagner: who I think was speaking for liblime, or am I tired? |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | yup, she would have been speaking for LL |
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| 19:08 | jwagner | reva, I am, but I don't understand what you're asking. Are you talking about the MARC record call number field not displaying, or the item record? |
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| 19:14 | reva | In my example: i defined 852bhi (sub-location, class number, item number) as my local call number look-up fields. And in 942 I chose "Other/generic Classification Scheme" from the drop-down list. I unhid all the sub-fields (bhi) in the 852 tag by going into MARC structure sub-field edit. I can edit all of the sub-fields when creating the record, but $i sub-field does not display. look at ISSN: 1940-2988 in Koha Express OPAC in Norm |
| 19:15 | * chris | goes to catch his bus |
| 19:16 | reva | now, from jcamins, I know that I can just put in the call number in the item record, and not worry with it in the bib-record. But I experimented. |
| 19:19 | jwagner | reva, sorry, I have no experience with anyone trying to use the 852 for call number. In general, the itemcallnumber syspref tells the system to use that field (e.g., 092) if it's present in the MARC record to create the item record's call number. |
| 19:20 | If the field is not in the MARC record, the item record creation can't find it and thus doesn't create a default call number | |
| 19:21 | reva | jwagner: that is strange. Please see: Global System Preference -> Itemcallnumber; it tells you that you can defind 852 for your local call number in the Expalnation column.!! |
| 19:21 | wajasu | started a git clone last 14hrs ago from git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone and its only 22% done. Is that 4KiB/s rate normal? |
| 19:21 | jwagner | Changing the display settings in the framework only controls the bib record edit screen. The title display screen is based off a hardcoded template (or XSLT if you're using that) |
| 19:21 | reva | that was supposed to be define, not defind |
| 19:21 | jwagner | reva, you probably can. I'm just saying that I have no experience with doing it that way. |
| 19:22 | sekjal | wajasu: no, that's way to slow. we'll take a look |
| 19:22 | jwagner | If you're using it, does the 852 exist before you try creating the item? |
| 19:22 | reva | well, even when I defined 092 for local Dewey, the edition sub-field ($2) will never display. Though I could input values when creating and editing. |
| 19:23 | jwagner | Then the underlying template/script is probably not set up to display that subfield. |
| 19:23 | reva | So I am saying it is not just 852 that exhibits this quirk, even 092 did. I was giving you my latest input so that you can see the record I just created. |
| 19:24 | jwagner | What's the OPAC URL for the record? |
| 19:25 | reva | No jwagner. I had to explicitly go into MARC structure sub-filed edit and un-hide the sub-fields I wanted to use (both for 852 and 092 which I experimented with a while back) |
| 19:26 | jwagner: the url: http://koha-community-demo.lib[…]?biblionumber=502 (that is the MARC view, but you can click on the Normal tab for that view.) | |
| 19:26 | owen | Boy do I hate the "koha-community" part of that URL. As if the waters weren't muddy enough |
| 19:27 | I think Liblime must mean "koha" whereas their other demos are "not-koha" | |
| 19:27 | reva | Iowen: though I know hazily about the break-up, you sound like a bitter spouse:). |
| 19:28 | owen | Indeed reva, and I'm tired of PTFS/LL profiting off the confusion of those seeking Koha and finding LL's products |
| 19:29 | reva | owen::):0 |
| 19:29 | jcamins | reva: by the way, why _are_ you using LibLime's demo? As I understand it, unless you're hiring them to manage your system, the system that you're running will work differently. |
| 19:32 | Or do you actually have an installation of LibLime's branded Koha? (in which case of course you should be using the same version) | |
| 19:33 | reva | I understand jcamins:. I wanted to see how it behaved before I messed with my set-up. ( Mine is a VirtualBox LiveCD install.) |
| 19:33 | mine is the community (the bona-fide community, I mean) open-source one. | |
| 19:34 | jwagner | reva, your problem seems to be that it is not using the subfield i to build the item call number? |
| 19:36 | reva | correct, jwagner: i.e., in the case of 852 which I experimented with today; in the 092 that I tested sometime back, it was the $2 (the edition). |
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| 19:40 | jwagner | I would say try it on your own system then. If it doesn't work there, open a bug report. To the best of my knowledge, we haven't done any work in that area, so it's likely to be a Koha problem from way back. |
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| 19:41 | wizzyrea | haha |
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| 19:45 | pauleyd | I have a problem with 3.0.6. Migrated from an old server. Everything looks good. Click the "Limit to current available" in OPAC and nothing shows. I can checkout, hold, etc... I have run the fix on loan, all onloan in items are NULL, damaged, lost, etc all have zeroes. Help? |
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| 19:47 | wizzyrea | hi hdl |
| 19:47 | hdl | hi wizzyrea |
| 19:48 | pauleyd | also get varying responses for Copies Available in OPAC when the entries look pretty much the same. Some show nothing, some show the school but no copies, but you can check them out. |
| 19:48 | btw Hi | |
| 19:48 | :) | |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | oh hi. |
| 19:49 | indexing? | |
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| 19:57 | reva | jcamins: I tried the 092 tag with ab2 subfields in my install(the open source, non-vendor version) and it still does not show $2 (edition number) though I can input the values when creating/editing the record. I can send you the snap shots of Normal and Marc from OPAC in paste bin tomorrow as we are closing for the day now. |
| 19:58 | I guess my last comment was also for jwagner: | |
| 20:01 | jcamins | reva: I can't really advise on this. |
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| 20:03 | reva | ok, I was just telling that so you know I tested it on my system (about only two sub-fileds showing up) when displaying call number (when I enter it in the ib-record). But I might just follow your way and enter the call numbers in the item record. |
| 20:03 | that is supposed to be bib-record. Tired of typing for the day. | |
| 20:05 | Item record call numbers over-ride the defaults anyway, so that would be the way to go, especially for a mixed schemes. Bye for now, jcamins. Good night from Antigua and Barbuda. | |
| 20:10 | pauleyd | @wunder Seattle, WA |
| 20:10 | munin | pauleyd: The current temperature in Herrera Environmental Consultants, Seattle, Washington is 19.0�C (1:20 PM PDT on August 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady). |
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| 20:19 | richard | hi |
| 20:24 | chris | back |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea: haha is right | |
| 20:27 | jcamins | Good night, #koha |
| 20:27 | chris | night jcamins |
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| 20:28 | chris | reva1: 99.9% of vendors run koha, ... please dont lump us in with those who don't |
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| 20:31 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 20:31 | I think i just understood reva's issue. | |
| 20:31 | or maybe not | |
| 20:31 | * wizzyrea | might be a little slow. |
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| 20:41 | sekjal | goodnight, #koha! |
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| 20:46 | nengard | training day 1 done ... that means .. yup! ... bug reports heading your way :) |
| 20:46 | chris | heh |
| 20:47 | nengard | hey chris - are you working on the ability for a child to have more than one guarentor? |
| 20:47 | i think I remember someone talking about it | |
| 20:47 | and i thought it was you | |
| 20:48 | chris | yeah, for 3.4 |
| 20:53 | nengard | awesome - thanks, i'll note that |
| 20:54 | is there an RFC yet? | |
| 20:54 | or bug link? | |
| 20:54 | chris | there is a bug 2 secs |
| 20:54 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]show_bug.cgi?id=2 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Need appropriate graphic for admin scripts |
| 20:55 | nengard | silly muni |
| 20:55 | munin | |
| 20:55 | chris | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3591 |
| 20:55 | munin | 04Bug 3591: enhancement, P4, ---, chris, NEW, "Family administrator" account for OPAC |
| 20:55 | chris | thats what i was working on |
| 20:56 | nengard | thanks |
| 20:56 | chris | meeting time bbiab |
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| 21:05 | wizzyrea | nengard! |
| 21:05 | are you really in KC? | |
| 21:06 | nengard | wizzyrea i'm in st. joseph, mo |
| 21:06 | but i did fly into KC | |
| 21:06 | are you close? | |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | um YEA |
| 21:06 | like 1.5 hrs | |
| 21:06 | nengard | that's not close!! :) |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | well about 1 hour really |
| 21:06 | nengard | but if you want to come to me you can :) hehe |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | it's close by kansas standards |
| 21:06 | nengard | oh! |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:06 | you must be at RHCL | |
| 21:06 | nengard | you and hubby and little one want to meet for dinner one night? and yes RHCL |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | how long are you in town? |
| 21:07 | nengard | we can do in between somewhere - you tell us |
| 21:07 | I fly out Weds 6pm | |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | ooh |
| 21:07 | nengard | it's me and hubby here |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | well yea, it would prolly be me and the spud, but yea! I'd love to get together. i'll have to consult with greg to see where he recommends that is inbetween |
| 21:08 | nengard | k - then dinner tomorrow, either you or have greg tell me where we're meeting :) I'm not a big red meat fan (i know not good in the south) but other than that no restrictions |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | pff south |
| 21:08 | :) | |
| 21:08 | nengard | wherever we are :) |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | honey, you're in flyover country. There's really no regional term that applies except that |
| 21:09 | ;d | |
| 21:09 | :D | |
| 21:09 | nengard | when we landed bri said "boy that's a whole lot of nothing" |
| 21:09 | hehe | |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | (we mean it with love, of course) |
| 21:09 | hahahaha | |
| 21:10 | nengard | i finish training around 4pm |
| 21:10 | and have a gps - so i just need an address :) | |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | sweet |
| 21:10 | probably something in north KC | |
| 21:10 | maybe mickey can swing by too, will have to ask him | |
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| 21:17 | wizzyrea | speak of the devil :) |
| 21:18 | rhcl: is weston too far to go for dinner? | |
| 21:18 | it's about equidistant from here and there | |
| 21:19 | nengard | okay - not that many bug reports this time and one of them i was able to fix on my own :) |
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| 21:28 | chris | yay! |
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| 21:32 | chris | heya Braedon |
| 21:32 | Braedon | hi chris |
| 21:33 | chris | how goes uni? |
| 21:34 | Braedon | frantic at the moment |
| 21:34 | two weeks until the first project deadline | |
| 21:34 | and a couple of assignments due tomorrow | |
| 21:35 | going to be a interesting couple of days :) | |
| 21:35 | chris | ahhh, sounds familiar |
| 21:38 | Braedon | one of the assignments is for the general engineering sustainability paper - a 3000 word engineering report pretending you are a project manager on a project in your discipline 15 years in the future, outlining the sustainability steps are are taking, |
| 21:39 | chris | yikes |
| 21:39 | Braedon | no one in software knows how on earth we are supposed to write 3000 words on sustainable soffware development :P |
| 21:39 | chris | heh yeah |
| 21:40 | Braedon | it also has to be referenced, which is kinda interesting when relative to the report, the past 15 years have not happend yet... |
| 21:40 | chris | heh yeah |
| 21:40 | so you can only reference work that is at least 15 years old | |
| 21:40 | Braedon | so yeah, fun times all around. |
| 21:41 | chris | which in software engineering ... is pretty pointless |
| 21:41 | Braedon | i'm considering giving as a world war sometime in the next 15 years |
| 21:41 | chris | its quite likely |
| 21:41 | or at least escalation of the current oil wars | |
| 21:42 | Braedon | or perhaps the long fabled water wars |
| 21:43 | anyway, how is 3.2 coming along? | |
| 21:44 | chris | just waiting for galen to release an rc i think |
| 21:44 | gmcharlt | yep; few more patches to go |
| 21:44 | chris | anything i can do to help gmcharlt ? |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt! |
| 21:45 | * wizzyrea | pounces gmcharlt with a big hug |
| 21:45 | gmcharlt | chris: the acq upgrade is the biggest target |
| 21:45 | chris | ahh yeah, that thing |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | we missed you. |
| 21:45 | chris | lemme dig out how i did it for hlt |
| 21:45 | basically it was a select across the 2 old tables, into an outfile | |
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| 21:45 | chris | then a load data infile |
| 21:45 | into the new ones | |
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| 21:46 | chris | ill see if i can find my notes and attach them to the bug |
| 21:47 | gmcharlt | btw, does anybody know of a variation of the jQuery highlighter that does accent folding? |
| 21:47 | chris | hmmm not me |
| 21:55 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "now there is one (very quick and dirty0" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/50 |
| 21:56 | chris | :) |
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| 22:16 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 22:16 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 25.6�C (3:25 PM PDT on August 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling). Near record high temperatures expected Tuesday and Wednesday... |
| 22:17 | robin | It's Tuesday now. I can tell you that there's no record high temperatures :) |
| 22:17 | brendan | thanks |
| 22:17 | :) | |
| 22:19 | predicted 28 - that doesn't seem that record shattering (but I've only lived here for 2 years) | |
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| 22:33 | chris | updated bug 4310 |
| 22:33 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 |
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| 22:35 | chobbs | Afternoon all! |
| 22:35 | chris | hi chobbs |
| 22:35 | chobbs | Quickie: The docs say "TIP: Marking an item Lost via the edit item page will automatically put a fine on the patron's record for the replacement cost of the item". That's not happening on our system (3.00.05). Any ideas? |
| 22:37 | chris | you have the fines system preference turned on eh? and other fines are going on ok? |
| 22:37 | chobbs | Yes, fines are on and I ran the cron job manually to confirm that they're being charged. Are those books charge during the cron job? |
| 22:37 | chris | nope, the lost charge should go on right away |
| 22:37 | meeting bbiab | |
| 22:38 | chobbs | that's what I figured. |
| 22:38 | no worries | |
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| 22:46 | chobbs | Is the IP Address info on Library config useful in any way? |
| 22:47 | I ask because our former ILS used client IP address to select branch for searching in OPAC. | |
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| 22:50 | wajasu | can anyone-> git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone without it being slow and 6 KiB/s? |
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| 22:54 | chobbs | wajasu: Getting it here (northern california) at 1200KiB/s |
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| 23:16 | wajasu | i've tried for a few days. No luck cloning for me. Got 20% after 14 hours. my traceroute 12 hops each show <20ms. I'm in Dallas, and I think the server is in san antonio, texas. |
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| 23:46 | wizzyrea_ | hm that's kinda weird |
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