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| 03:19 | wajasu | sweet! 3.2 has a koha_perl_deps.pl script so now I can drive my distribution package builder from it! |
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| 03:22 | Amit | heya chris, brendan |
| 03:22 | brendan | hi Amit |
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| 06:32 | chris | I think I have answered every email with send a patch today |
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| 06:37 | chris | I might make a template |
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| 07:10 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:12 | magnus | hiya kf and #koha |
| 07:12 | kf | morning magnus and paul_p |
| 07:12 | marc-must-die? :) | |
| 07:13 | magnus | kf: yup! it's about time |
| 07:13 | kf | I am really looking forward to meet you :) |
| 07:14 | magnus | and the same to you! |
| 07:14 | my trip starts in exactly 2 months! ;-) | |
| 07:15 | kf | mine too :) |
| 07:15 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 07:15 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.5�C (9:24 AM CEST on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:15 | kf | ah Jacob Voss contributed to your wiki |
| 07:17 | magnus | yup. hope he is not the only one, or i will loose my faith in a better future for library data... ;-) |
| 07:17 | @wunder bodo, norway | |
| 07:17 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:18 | paul_p | hi Europe (magnus & kf) |
| 07:19 | my trip start in less than 2 months, as we do a stop-and-go of 1 day in Kuala-Lumpur | |
| 07:19 | magnus | hiya paul_p |
| 07:19 | paul_p | ;-) |
| 07:19 | magnus | paul_p: sounds good! |
| 07:20 | kf | :) |
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| 08:39 | jt | hi, is there any hardware requirement for a decent koha installation with about 250 simultaneous users? |
| 08:41 | pastebot | "jt" at 203.115.201.100 pasted "koha goes to crawl/ without current users" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/46 |
| 08:47 | chris | magnus: i wish you had killed marc before i started working on koha |
| 08:47 | kf | jt: I don't know, our libraries are quite small and I am not sure what hardware we are using |
| 08:47 | evening chris :) | |
| 08:47 | chris | jt: simultaneous librarian users, or people using the opac |
| 08:48 | magnus | chris: sorry about that, but i guess i have been a librarian about as long as you have worked on koha... ;-) |
| 08:48 | jt | chris: the current nopaste is a koha server without users using it, but somehow it bring the server to crawl |
| 08:49 | what is the use of opac-reserver.pl by the way? | |
| 08:50 | kf | it normally appears when you make a reserve in the opac |
| 08:50 | or at least it did when I worked on that some time ago | |
| 08:50 | reserve = hold | |
| 08:50 | chris | jt: theres no way they should be running that long |
| 08:51 | 55:34.02 opac-reserve.pl | |
| 08:51 | jt | is this a bug or server hacked? |
| 08:51 | chris | not a bug |
| 08:51 | but unlikely its been hacked | |
| 08:52 | kf | I had problems with that when my perl code was not right - had to kill the processes |
| 08:52 | chris | well if you put an infinite loop in it yeah, but if you havent edited opac-reserve.pl its unlikely to be that |
| 08:52 | more likely mysql is jammed | |
| 08:52 | jt | the usual approvch to resolve is to restart the server orweb server |
| 08:53 | but I don't think it will be the cure on the long run | |
| 08:53 | chris | yeah, thats not so much resolving as postponing :) |
| 08:53 | kf | chris: I see... you know me ... I always manage to make infinite loops |
| 08:53 | :) | |
| 08:54 | magnus | kf: and you still think of yourself as a non-developer? ;-) |
| 08:55 | kf | magnus: I think this is a good reason to think of me as a non-developer! :) |
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| 08:56 | kf | magnus: it took me about a week to get the code right - and all I wanted to do was to show serial enumeration in the item list for item level holds! |
| 08:56 | magnus | kf: nah, it shows you try. the name does not say anything about how successfull you are :-) |
| 08:57 | kf | hmpf. :) |
| 08:57 | chris | jt: http://markmail.org/message/n6v2sikmud7vdtbb |
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| 08:58 | jt | chris: thanks, I'll try this out |
| 08:59 | DaGentooB | I am looking at label-item-search.pl and on my installation if there is more then 1 page of results it lists the first 20 and then the rows for the rest and no data. If I try to go to the next page it lists the first 20 and that is it. |
| 09:00 | I was trying to download the latest from GIT but I clicked on the instructions link on the website and my dns said it couldn't find wiki.koha | |
| 09:02 | chris | which website? |
| 09:02 | wasabi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 09:02 | chris | www.koha-community.org is the official koha website, and what wasabi just pasted is the wiki :) |
| 09:02 | DaGentooB | http://koha.org/download |
| 09:02 | wasabi | heh, heya chris |
| 09:02 | Amit | heya wasabi |
| 09:02 | chris | yeah, dont believe koha.org |
| 09:03 | wasabi | dagentoob: thats the *old* koha website ;) |
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| 09:03 | chris | its not under the control of the community, but one company, (it used to be community controlled) |
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| 09:03 | chris | so only that one company can update it, and they don't |
| 09:03 | DaGentooB | oh ok |
| 09:04 | ok that makes more sense. | |
| 09:04 | chris | we keep hoping they will return the domain to the community, but they seem more interested in sowing confusion and being hostile instead |
| 09:04 | wasabi | yes, lots of links on the old koha.org website dont work anymore :( |
| 09:04 | DaGentooB | now... about label-item-search.pl |
| 09:05 | any idea why it would be doing that? | |
| 09:05 | wasabi | and people go there, like you dagentoob, and get confused :( |
| 09:05 | kf | chris: my coworker has pootle permission problems and I dont see the language list when logged in - something wrong there again? |
| 09:05 | DaGentooB | I am thinking that the for loop is putting in a row for every result |
| 09:06 | does anyone else have this problem? | |
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| 09:06 | kf | chris: ok, correction, I can not login at all and German is empty? |
| 09:07 | chris | DaGentooB: ive never used the label maker sorry |
| 09:07 | wasabi | dagentoob: do you have more than 20 labels? |
| 09:07 | chris | kf: i hope not, but ill look |
| 09:07 | DaGentooB | yeah I do |
| 09:07 | kf | chris: I hope it too, but what I see does not look good |
| 09:07 | DaGentooB | I am hoping to print about 2000 |
| 09:08 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/de/ |
| 09:08 | seems fine to me | |
| 09:08 | wasabi | dagentoob: check your log file, while generating your pdf... |
| 09:08 | kf | can you check my user? |
| 09:08 | I can't login and resetting the password always tells me my email address does not exist | |
| 09:08 | DaGentooB | it isn't the pdf process that is hanging up... it is the search to add them to the batch |
| 09:09 | chris | first does that look ok? ie is the german all there? |
| 09:09 | kf | it does |
| 09:09 | give me a moment | |
| 09:09 | chris | i can login fine as me |
| 09:09 | looking at your user now | |
| 09:09 | wasabi | dagentoob you may have UTF characters that dont map to PDF char, in your label-data |
| 09:09 | kf | I think I am stupid and my browsers autocomplete landed me on koha-community.org |
| 09:09 | chris | yeah, that wont work :) |
| 09:09 | DaGentooB | wasabi: the error is No item numbers retrieved for biblio number: |
| 09:10 | wasabi | is there an item? |
| 09:10 | DaGentooB | it looks like anything after 20 isn't getting retrieved |
| 09:10 | yes I am searching by barcode | |
| 09:10 | kf | ok, now I only have to find out why my coworker can't edit |
| 09:11 | wasabi | pass, i cant look right now... |
| 09:12 | ... just got back from werk | |
| 09:13 | DaGentooB | $biblioitemnumber isn't getting populated after the first 20 |
| 09:13 | I get the same 3 errors for each item after 20 | |
| 09:14 | Use of uninitialized value $biblionumber in hash element, Use of uninitialized value $biblionumber in sprintf, and No item numbers retrieved for biblio number: | |
| 09:14 | wasabi | yr bibdata is bad? |
| 09:14 | kf | chris: sorry! It's all working now, I gave her the permissons for German |
| 09:15 | DaGentooB | no... for some reason the for loop keeps going through results after the first 20 even though the results for that page have been reduced to 20 at a time |
| 09:15 | wonder what would happen if I just set the for loop to 20.... let me try it | |
| 09:17 | ok that did work.... it now only displays 20 per page.... | |
| 09:18 | but it still won't advance to the next page | |
| 09:18 | wasabi | the form isnt sending a page=2 arg to the script? |
| 09:19 | DaGentooB | well at the top it lists "Results 61 through 80 of 213" |
| 09:19 | so at least that part is going through | |
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| 09:20 | DaGentooB | forgive my perl ignorance but does $iii have something to do with th $i that the for loop is using? |
| 09:21 | wait I see | |
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| 09:21 | DaGentooB | ok so $marcresults->[$i] |
| 09:22 | is pulling the result number from the for loop | |
| 09:22 | wasabi | theres no current bug for your problem.. |
| 09:22 | DaGentooB | but the for loop is reset to 0 every time you change a page |
| 09:22 | wasabi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ng&resolution=--- |
| 09:23 | DaGentooB | yeah.... I searched before I came here |
| 09:23 | wasabi | dagentoob if you are keen, you can try to log your problem as a bug... |
| 09:23 | with good screenshots! | |
| 09:23 | DaGentooB | k. I will do it once I get it fixed. |
| 09:23 | I think I am on to something here | |
| 09:24 | wasabi | i need to return some late DVD's now... :/ |
| 09:24 | DaGentooB | ok |
| 09:24 | wasabi | late fees, oww! |
| 09:28 | jt | I find this very insteresting |
| 09:28 | pastebot | "jt" at 203.115.201.100 pasted "curious" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/47 |
| 09:29 | jt | is that mean that wis possible to participate in development iwth very basic programming skill on koha? |
| 09:34 | paul_p | jt: the koha community is welcoming anyone that want to send a patch ! Of course, your first patches will be examined very carefully & you'll probably have to send them more than once because there will be some changes to do to respect the coding guidelines. But we have 110+ devs, so, feel free to become another one ;-) |
| 09:34 | kf | jt: it is open source everybody is welcome to help fix bugs and improve koha |
| 09:35 | paul_p | but we have some librarians that now send patches (about templates or things like that), so it's possible for anyone ! |
| 09:35 | kf | paul_p: I think this sentence is not so nice about librarians ;) |
| 09:36 | and I am a librarian... | |
| 09:36 | paul_p | oups... right ! I wasn't implying librarians are dummies... |
| 09:36 | kf | you better not ;) |
| 09:36 | paul_p | or you'll kick my ass in NZ ? :D |
| 09:37 | kf | something like that yes :) |
| 09:37 | paul_p | s/it's possible for anyone/you don't need to be a IT guy/ |
| 09:38 | kf | :) |
| 09:39 | paul_p | (note that anyone understanding s// immediatly get respect from most developers. Could we consider that as a test ? ;-) ) |
| 09:39 | more complex test : s/\/\//\/\/\// :D | |
| 09:41 | kf | regex? |
| 09:45 | why not test the IT folks for basic library knowledge? :) | |
| 09:45 | jt | lol |
| 09:45 | magnus | paul_p: if you are not nice to us librarians we will force you to do bungy jumping on the road trip ;-) |
| 09:46 | kf | magnus: I like how your mind works :) |
| 09:46 | magnus | hehe |
| 09:47 | paul_p | wow... /me start to think about cancelling my trip. too dangerous... :D |
| 09:48 | kf | so hard to be nice to us? |
| 09:48 | chris | you make it hard by keeping making us deal with MARC :) |
| 09:49 | paul_p | chris++ !!!!! |
| 09:49 | marc-must-die.info, I fully agree !!! | |
| 09:50 | kf | marc was not my idea... |
| 09:50 | magnus | chris: good point. let's come up with a better alternative! ;-) |
| 09:50 | chris | thats what every librarian says, then they say, but everyone else is using it, so we have too |
| 09:50 | :) | |
| 09:51 | * paul_p | feel that oneone will move until either LoC, BL or BNF moves. |
| 09:51 | paul_p | and those 3 old ladies are very slow to move... |
| 09:52 | magnus | chris, pail_p: sad but true |
| 09:52 | paul_p | big boats |
| 09:52 | magnus | paul_p: and they seem to be preoccupied with RDA... |
| 09:52 | kf | Germany had MAB and is moving to MARC |
| 09:52 | ... | |
| 09:53 | magnus | a working prototype of an alternative approach would be sooo good |
| 09:53 | kf | lunch time - bbl |
| 09:53 | * magnus | wishes someone would try ripping marc out of e.g. koha and replacing it with e.g. RDF, as a research project |
| 09:54 | magnus | kf: MAB? |
| 09:54 | kf | German bibliographic format |
| 09:54 | MAB2 to be more correct | |
| 09:54 | it's still widely used around here | |
| 09:54 | chris | yeah, step backwards to go from MAB to MARC |
| 09:55 | kf | the problem you have to solve is import - map the new format to marc and all others so you can get data from everywhere |
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| 09:55 | chris | and then a step into UTTER MADNESS to wedge RDA into MARC |
| 09:55 | kf | they managed to get a lot of the mab things into marc21 |
| 09:55 | chris | i mean AARC2 was complicated enough |
| 09:55 | RDA is just mental | |
| 09:55 | kf | does not make my life easier |
| 09:55 | ok, coworkers waiting - see you later | |
| 09:55 | magnus | and RD is closed |
| 09:55 | chris | seriously, i think ppl forget the entire point of a library system |
| 09:55 | magnus | have a nice lunch, kf |
| 09:56 | s/RD/RDA/ | |
| 09:56 | chris | adding more unused data to the record isnt going to make the opac work better |
| 09:59 | magnus | chris: sounds logical to me! |
| 10:05 | * magnus | is off for lunch |
| 10:27 | kf | back |
| 10:49 | is it ok to change the text under the koha logo? want to change Open-Source integrated library system to the german translation (without integrated) Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem | |
| 10:49 | found the .psd file in git :) | |
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| 11:03 | magnus | kf: i did the same thing for some koha posters i made earlier this year. i don't think nicomo saw any problems with it, at least |
| 11:04 | @las seen nicomo | |
| 11:04 | munin | magnus: Error: "las" is not a valid command. |
| 11:05 | magnus | @last seen nicomo |
| 11:05 | munin | magnus: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message) |
| 11:05 | magnus | @lastseen nicomo |
| 11:05 | munin | magnus: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command. |
| 11:05 | magnus | @seen nicomo |
| 11:05 | munin | magnus: nicomo was last seen in #koha 13 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <nicomo> hi Amit_G |
| 11:06 | Amit | hi nicomo |
| 11:06 | @seen chris | |
| 11:06 | munin | Amit: chris was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 9 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <chris> adding more unused data to the record isnt going to make the opac work better |
| 11:07 | Amit | @seen brendan |
| 11:07 | munin | Amit: brendan was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 44 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <brendan> hi Amit |
| 11:07 | Amit | @seen amit |
| 11:07 | munin | Amit: amit was last seen in #koha 5 seconds ago: <Amit> @seen brendan |
| 11:07 | Amit | @seen chris |
| 11:07 | munin | Amit: chris was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <chris> adding more unused data to the record isnt going to make the opac work better |
| 11:07 | Amit | @seen amit |
| 11:07 | munin | Amit: amit was last seen in #koha 4 seconds ago: <Amit> @seen chris |
| 11:20 | kf | magnus: I think nicomo is no longer at biblibre |
| 11:20 | magnus | kf: i know, i was just curious about how long he has been away... ;-) |
| 11:20 | kf | ah |
| 11:21 | Integriertes Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem is too long | |
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| 11:38 | magnus | kf: i used something like "der freie Bibliothekssystem" (in norwegian) |
| 11:39 | kf | das :) |
| 11:39 | magnus: I think open-source-bibliotheksystem has the important points :) | |
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| 11:48 | greenmang | hello friends... can anybody suggest me an api or z3950 server which can make available Major Journals? |
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| 12:19 | kf | hi owen |
| 12:19 | owen | Hi kf |
| 12:22 | magnus | greenmang: how about LOC? |
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| 12:57 | * magnus | tries to remember if there are more tables than sessions and zebraqueue that does not usually need to be in a mysqldump |
| 13:01 | * owen | wonders about the labels* and creator* tables ending with _tmp |
| 13:03 | * kf | wonders if she will ever finish the text for the new Koha flyer |
| 13:05 | * owen | wonders if everything in #koha today will be in interior monologue |
| 13:05 | * jwagner | thinks it probably will be.... |
| 13:06 | * magnus | agrees |
| 13:07 | cant't see any *_tmp tables, just tmp_holdsqueue | |
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| 13:08 | tcohen | hi, should we refactor rebuild_(no)zebra as a library? |
| 13:10 | that way we could avoid the spawning of a new perl process | |
| 13:10 | when implementing a service that substitutes | |
| 13:11 | the reindexing process previously feaured by the (flawed) zebraqueue | |
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| 13:17 | tcohen | hi, should we refactor rebuild_(no)zebra as a library? |
| 13:17 | that way we could avoid the spawning of a new perl process | |
| 13:17 | when implementing a service that substitutes | |
| 13:17 | the reindexing process previously feaured by the (flawed) | |
| 13:17 | zebraqueue | |
| 13:17 | owen | We heard you the first time tcohen :) |
| 13:18 | tcohen | oewn: oh, sorry I had a hard lock of my computer and was not sure |
| 13:18 | owen | Perhaps an email to the developers list would be better? |
| 13:18 | There doesn't seem to be anyone here with an opinion :) | |
| 13:18 | tcohen | too much perl processes reindexing here, hehe |
| 13:18 | ok! | |
| 13:19 | * magnus | gotta run |
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| 13:25 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:27 | tcohen | jcamins: hi |
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| 13:54 | kf | jcamins: hi :) |
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| 13:57 | * jcamins | doesn't understand what's special about question marks in authority records. :( |
| 13:57 | * kf | whispers: fudge... |
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| 13:57 | chris_n` | owen: I just commented on your comment on bug 3523, but bugzilla informed me that it did not send you an email |
| 13:57 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Menu of existing lists limited to 10 |
| 13:57 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 13:57 | chris_n | fwiw |
| 13:59 | owen | Thanks chris_n, I'm still a little confused about how Bugzilla decides when to send me a message |
| 13:59 | I don't understand your idea about a list of lists | |
| 13:59 | chris_n | maybe its a bug... :-Z |
| 13:59 | profmathe | hi all |
| 14:00 | chris_n | I 'm thinking of some sort of drop-down which would have a scroll bar on one side |
| 14:01 | allowing all lists to be available but only 10 or so viewable in the dropdown at once... make sense? | |
| 14:01 | * chris_n | recalls seeing such a creature once, but can't remember where |
| 14:01 | owen | And then a link or control to load the next set of lists? |
| 14:02 | chris_n | probably so, to avoid the use of js |
| 14:02 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 66.93.90.115 pasted "Jared's fudge recipe" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/48 |
| 14:03 | chris_n | owen: but since we can't use ajax stuff in opac, it might not be doable in a nice and clean way |
| 14:04 | jcamins | kf: unfortunately I use both metric and Imperial measurements. :( |
| 14:04 | owen | Can't use ajax stuff in the opac? |
| 14:04 | jcamins | chris_n: why can't we use ajax in the OPAC? |
| 14:04 | chris_n | I thought we wanted to avoid things that had the potential to cause accessibility problems? |
| 14:05 | owen | Sure, but it shouldn't keep us from adding features which are useful |
| 14:05 | We just need to back them up with accessible fallbacks | |
| 14:08 | The trouble is the accessible fallbacks aren't as fun to develop | |
| 14:09 | What about keeping the 10 item limit in the popup, but offer a link to "show all" ? | |
| 14:09 | Or am I underestimating the number of lists some patrons might have? | |
| 14:10 | For the "show all" view we could use a list of items with radio buttons instead of a <select> | |
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| 14:11 | profmathe | if anyone has time for 2 quick new user questions that i promise i researched first, i'd really appreciate it... |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | jcamins: that is made of win |
| 14:11 | we always have time :) | |
| 14:11 | profmathe | sweet |
| 14:11 | first one's easy: is my dns borked or is wiki.koha.org down? | |
| 14:12 | owen | http://wiki.koha-community.org |
| 14:12 | profmathe | ah |
| 14:12 | broken link! | |
| 14:12 | thx on that one | |
| 14:12 | owen | PTFS/Liblime uses koha.org for their own purposes |
| 14:12 | kf | jcamins: I can improvise |
| 14:12 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I'm glad you like it. |
| 14:13 | profmathe | second one i hope will be easy: in a fresh install, what would call nullmailer once a minute and how do i configure it? i don't see any MTA options in the admin console |
| 14:13 | i've killed my forwards in nullmailer so my mail admin doesn't shoot me but i'd actually like it to work | |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | probably the holds notices? |
| 14:14 | profmathe | nothing in catalog, no patrons, brand new install... |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | i'm not sure, sorry |
| 14:15 | profmathe | no prob |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | we always have time, not always the answer :/ |
| 14:15 | profmathe | i might try just installing postfix and forwarding to that |
| 14:15 | bad form to run home to the product i'm most familiar with, but hey | |
| 14:16 | briceSanc | hi koha ! |
| 14:16 | profmathe | just odd that there seems to be no mail option config in the console |
| 14:16 | jcamins | Can someone confirm that bug 5155 isn't just me doing something dumb? |
| 14:16 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5155 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Question marks cause problems for BiblioAddsAuthorities |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | nah, most people would probably say that postfix is the mailer of choice |
| 14:16 | profmathe | well anyway thank you all very much |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | no, special characters bork lots of stuff :( |
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| 14:16 | chris_n | owen: we could do that; along the ajax lines I was thinking of a call back function tied to a "Next 10" sort of link to refresh just the list |
| 14:16 | kf | jcamins: thx for the recipe! |
| 14:17 | profmathe | i'll go search the real wiki and get back if i learn anything useful :) |
| 14:17 | chris_n | I think that we could reasonably count on some patrons having 20-30 lists |
| 14:18 | or at least the accumulation of that many between private/public/open lists | |
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| 14:18 | jcamins | kf: you're welcome. |
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| 14:22 | kf | wb druthb |
| 14:22 | druthb | thanx! |
| 14:22 | jcamins | My bug list keeps growing. :( |
| 14:23 | kf | jcamins: I know that feeling... some days are like everything you touch is falling apart |
| 14:28 | nengard | morning all |
| 14:28 | i got to start my day by having a tooth drilled!! everything is up hill from there | |
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| 14:40 | kf1 | hi cfouts and brendan |
| 14:41 | brendan | hi kf1 |
| 14:41 | kf1 | 1? |
| 14:41 | hm | |
| 14:42 | I have a clone | |
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| 14:42 | cfouts | good morning |
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| 14:45 | kf | better |
| 14:46 | * druthb | thinks two kfs, or even a kf and a cait, would be fun to have around! |
| 14:46 | kf | :) |
| 14:49 | jwagner | Don't we already have a kf and a cait? The more the better, of course.... |
| 14:49 | owen | It strange, though, we never see them together in the same room... Hmmm.... |
| 14:50 | brendan | it's like clark kent and superman |
| 14:50 | kf | and who is who? :) |
| 14:50 | jcamins | Only both have super powers. |
| 14:50 | * kf | blushes |
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| 15:05 | chris_n | heya cfouts |
| 15:08 | cfouts | howdy |
| 15:09 | brendan | hey there chris_n |
| 15:11 | chris_n | hey brendan |
| 15:11 | * chris_n | is shuffling server hardware today |
| 15:12 | * kf | hides under her desk again |
| 15:13 | * jwagner | proposes a new Koha module -- the official Sysadmin/Developer Desk under which we can all hide when needed. |
| 15:13 | * chris_n | feels like tossing some of it into the big pond ;-) |
| 15:14 | * brendan | according to jwagner and owen - it's inner-monolog day :) |
| 15:15 | * kf | thinks this new module would lead to much progress on different other projects |
| 15:15 | kf | like the koha cookie flavor :) |
| 15:17 | * jcamins | thinks all successful open source projects need their own cookie and fudge flavors |
| 15:18 | jwagner | jcamins, don't forget the ice cream! |
| 15:18 | jcamins | jwagner: I live in NYC, so I don't have space for an ice cream maker. ;) |
| 15:18 | owen | Wait--there's an official koha cookie flavor? |
| 15:18 | jcamins | We're working on it. |
| 15:19 | owen | Is there a git repo for it? :) |
| 15:19 | jcamins | Hm, good point. |
| 15:20 | jwagner | Is there an RFC or bugzilla entry for it? |
| 15:27 | jcamins | What component should it be filed under? |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | definitely enhancement |
| 15:28 | I am always enhanced by cookies. | |
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| 15:29 | jwagner | Many of us are. Maybe we also need an official Koha diet.... |
| 15:29 | rhcl | Double hamburger with cheese |
| 15:29 | lettuce, tomato pickle onion heavy on the spicy mustard | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Yeah, that's definitely the severity, but should it be "Architecture," "Developer documentation," "Holidays," "Tools," "Websites," or something else? |
| 15:32 | jwagner | I'd say Developer Documentation, myself. At least it might inspire me to _do_ some documentation.... |
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| 15:36 | jcamins | Bug 5158 |
| 15:36 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors |
| 15:36 | kf | or developer motivation |
| 15:44 | owen | How's this for motivation? Anyone want to guess how many "FIXME's" there are in the Koha code? |
| 15:44 | brendan | 1,250 ? |
| 15:45 | kf | 2364 |
| 15:45 | owen | Luckily you're both too high |
| 15:45 | My search found 818 | |
| 15:46 | (excluding JS) | |
| 15:47 | 251 of those are "#use warnings; FIXME - Bug 2505" | |
| 15:47 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts |
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| 15:49 | owen | I like "FIXME: No Such thing." |
| 15:49 | and "FIXME - this is cheating on two levels" | |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | ok, is it the circulation history |
| 15:49 | or the reading history | |
| 15:49 | * wizzyrea | likes consistency in labels |
| 15:50 | owen | I vote "checkout history" |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | it's reading history in the opac and in the header in the staff client |
| 15:50 | but the tab says "circulation history" | |
| 15:52 | kf | we use Ausleihhistorie in German, that would be checkout history |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | I can go with that, I just want them to all be the same |
| 15:54 | reading history is more patron friendly | |
| 15:54 | circulation history is a little librarianish | |
| 15:54 | checkout history probably would make sense to both | |
| 15:54 | owen | checkout history is materials-agnostic |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | yes, and I think that makes it the winning choice |
| 15:54 | ok, so tell me | |
| 15:54 | I have a workflow problem | |
| 15:54 | (git workflow) | |
| 15:55 | am I supposed to make one change then commit, or make several related changes then commit? | |
| 15:55 | < has had this burning question for a while | |
| 15:55 | owen | The real question is when should you submit the patch |
| 15:56 | Because you can commit as many times as you want and then squash all the commits together for one patch | |
| 15:56 | The key is to limit your changes to one very specific feature or bug fix | |
| 15:56 | But within that scope you can commit many times | |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | oh oh |
| 15:57 | I need to know how to do that | |
| 15:57 | squashing | |
| 15:57 | owen you'll be pleased to know that I'm using your workflow :P | |
| 15:57 | owen | git rebase -i origin |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | ah ok that's what that does |
| 15:58 | owen | That will show you a list of your commits |
| 15:58 | Keep the first one as "pick" and the rest as "s" (for squash) | |
| 15:58 | You'll be given the opportunity to edit the commit message for the resulting squashed commit | |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | omg that would have saved me yesterday |
| 15:59 | >.< | |
| 15:59 | owen | It took me too long to learn that one myself. It makes life much easier. |
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| 16:03 | cfouts | in my topic branches I commit after even relatively tiny changes, then squash, just as owen describes. |
| 16:03 | hard to over-commit using that technique | |
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| 16:04 | owen | We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment! |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 16:04 | * wizzyrea | totally is, in this one case. |
| 16:05 | wizzyrea | but I will learn |
| 16:07 | kf | will try to squash my next patch :) |
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| 16:21 | wizzyrea | ok |
| 16:22 | another question | |
| 16:22 | do you like this change? | |
| 16:22 | http://screencast.com/t/Y2U0N2Ez | |
| 16:22 | is it helpful to have both current and holding on the detail page? | |
| 16:22 | (our libraries think it is) | |
| 16:22 | (and they prefer the shortcodes) | |
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| 16:23 | jwagner | @quote add <owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment! |
| 16:23 | munin | jwagner: The operation succeeded. Quote #89 added. |
| 16:24 | owen | +1 wizzyrea |
| 16:24 | wizzyrea | I was thinking about it |
| 16:24 | jwagner | wizzyrea, the earlier discussion on Bug 3262 was mixed, and leaned toward having a syspref control which appeared. |
| 16:24 | owen | I don't really have an opinion about the code vs. full name question though |
| 16:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3262 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch instead of current location on detail page |
| 16:25 | jwagner | I think it could be reframed so that the syspref(s) controlled whether the separate columns appeared so you could have both if you wanted. |
| 16:25 | owen | I'd rather show both than have a syspref at all |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | ^^ and he was the main detractor |
| 16:25 | in that discussion | |
| 16:25 | jwagner | code vs full name I think should be a syspref, though -- a lot of sites won't recognize their codes |
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| 16:26 | jwagner | I'm fine with having both show by default so long as the template is set up properly so you could hide one or the other with jquery |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | cool beans. I think it's a better solution than a single column |
| 16:26 | and, I would need help with the syspref part for the short vs. long codes | |
| 16:26 | jwagner | And are you talking the same solution for both staff and OPAC view? |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | no, I think the OPAC only needs to show one column |
| 16:27 | because patrons don't need to know where it is | |
| 16:27 | that one probably should be a syspref | |
| 16:27 | but I think it should default to home branch | |
| 16:27 | owen I think disagrees with that, at least according to the bug | |
| 16:27 | jwagner | wizzyrea, I was looking at this one last week & had some ideas on it, but I wanted to talk to our developers. We could continue that discussion on the codes/description part |
| 16:28 | When I looked at the code, the same part of Search.pm controls & feeds item data to both staff & OPAC search, so doing different settings would get a little involved. | |
| 16:28 | kf | I vote for description - we use isil as branch code, it's really ugly :) |
| 16:28 | ok, time to go home for me - my alter ego will be back later :) | |
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| 16:29 | owen | Our patrons want to know where the book *is*, not where it should be. |
| 16:29 | So if you're going to show only one column in the OPAC and we disagree about which one it is, then it should be a syspref | |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | so yea that should be a pref |
| 16:30 | so in your library, a book can be shelved in any library? | |
| 16:30 | libraries | |
| 16:30 | jwagner | And that's where it got complicated -- you'd have to separate out the code in Search.pm depending on whether the search was for staff or OPAC. |
| 16:31 | (always assuming I'm reading that section of code right) | |
| 16:31 | owen | wizzyrea: Theoretically |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea: It's complicated by the fact that automatic transfers don't work properly (i.e. checking in something at the wrong branch and having it be transferred automatically) | |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | it shouldn't matter to the search what you show on the detail page |
| 16:33 | jwagner | During that part of Search.pm is where it's building the item data, though -- filling in the fields for location, itype, etc. |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | gotya |
| 16:33 | jwagner | So to change what gets filled in for branch, you need to specify there |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | our most immediate problem re: locations would be solved by the dual columns |
| 16:34 | incidentally | |
| 16:34 | re: shortcode | |
| 16:34 | vs. longcode | |
| 16:34 | owen maybe you can answer this | |
| 16:35 | how do you tell the code which to grab? | |
| 16:35 | I looked at it and couldn't figure it out | |
| 16:35 | mental map failure. | |
| 16:36 | dual columns in the intranet, I mean | |
| 16:36 | the opac problem is one we've lived with for a long time | |
| 16:38 | owen | I don't understand the question wizzyrea |
| 16:40 | jwagner | I think I'm back at the same place I was looking at last week, in Search.pm -- current head, line 1541 -- it's doing a check for HomeOrHoldingBranch |
| 16:40 | * owen | has to run. bbl |
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| 16:40 | * jwagner | should keep questionable code snippets for future reference instead of having to look for them again :-( |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | I couldn't find where those template variables were defined |
| 16:41 | to compare how they are being generated | |
| 16:42 | jwagner | which variable(s)? |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | homebranch vs holdingbranch |
| 16:42 | is there a good tool to help with that kind of thing? | |
| 16:42 | * wizzyrea | pulls out all of the nub questions |
| 16:43 | jwagner | from Search.pm, # set item's branch name, use HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref first, fall back to the other one -- whatever is defined in the syspref is going to get set as the homebranch for search results/display |
| 16:43 | If I'm reading it correctly | |
| 16:45 | Which brings up another question I was troubleshooting last night. The old syspref description for HomeOrHoldingBranch implies it's only used with Independent Branches: | |
| 16:45 | Used by Circulation to determine which branch of an item to check with independent branches on, and by search to determine which branch to choose for availability | |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | mm no |
| 16:45 | it has applications for multibranch non independent too | |
| 16:45 | we are non-indy | |
| 16:45 | jwagner | But it affects transfers when Independent Branches isn't on, and is affecting branch display in searching as above |
| 16:46 | Syspref description probably needs to be amplified/clarified, then. | |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | well that's probably wrong behavior :/ |
| 16:46 | as it reads, it should only affect using the circ/fines rules | |
| 16:46 | if it does more than that either needs to be documented, or the purpose of the syspref changed. | |
| 16:47 | *it either | |
| 16:47 | but yea, it's apparently a big mess | |
| 16:47 | jwagner | I think I'll open a bugzilla on that problem |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | the 3.2 text is as follows: Use the checkout and fines rules of |
| 16:48 | NOTE: This is older than CircControl, but used by some parts of Koha. It will be removed soon. | |
| 16:49 | so there may be plans to kill it off. | |
| 16:51 | jwagner | I saw that too. Am much puzzled. |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | in regards to where the template variables are generated... |
| 16:52 | you think it's in C4:Search? | |
| 16:52 | (which seems TOTALLY far out to me, but I will accept it) | |
| 16:53 | jwagner | Bug 5159 |
| 16:53 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5159 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref description misleading |
| 16:53 | jwagner | wizzyrea, both the opac & staff search scripts call the same C4:Search routine |
| 16:54 | * jwagner | is drooling -- lunch just got delivered, so I'm off to eat it :-) |
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| 17:25 | CGI194 | helo? |
| 17:26 | wizzyrea | <tap tap tap> is this thing on? |
| 17:26 | oh hai | |
| 17:26 | CGI194 | how are u? |
| 17:26 | wizzyrea | well enough, and you? |
| 17:26 | CGI194 | fine! |
| 17:27 | i'am new to this room | |
| 17:28 | wizzyrea | everybody starts somewhere |
| 17:28 | CGI194 | yap! |
| 17:28 | u'r from? | |
| 17:29 | wizzyrea | did you have a question about Koha? |
| 17:29 | CGI194 | ya |
| 17:30 | i'am on the way to integrate koha with ldap so do u have an idea if so pls help? | |
| 17:30 | wizzyrea | I don't, sorry. There might be others that can help |
| 17:30 | CGI194 | ok thank u! |
| 17:31 | reva | hi all, I am looking for answers to a couple of questions: how do you set up where you can tell who worked on a bib record in koha? and what is the command line phrase (with exact syntax) for bulkimporting marc authority files? jcamins: (FYI)-You may recall I had an issue with publisher name (260 $b) showing as links. On the OPAC side it does not show as links, only on the staff side. It is so even in the liblime demo (which makes m |
| 17:32 | jcamins | reva: the end of your message got cut off. |
| 17:33 | In answer to your first question, take a look at the Logs tab under sysprefs. | |
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| 17:34 | reva | Oh I was just saying that the publisher's name showing as a link only on the staff side, not in OPAC; so I guess it is alright. But the place of publication is not showing in the OPAC (remember you said it was your customization; well it seems to be mine too; only I did not do the customizing:) |
| 17:34 | Ok, I will look in the logs now. | |
| 17:35 | jcamins | reva: it's possible that the location has never shown up, and I just never noticed, because that matched my desired behavior. |
| 17:35 | I've never imported authority records, but perhaps someone else can advise you. | |
| 17:35 | reva | jcamins: that is okay then. I mean it may not be strict AACR2, but that is ok. |
| 17:36 | Amanu | can any body help me on how to integrate koha with openldap ? |
| 17:36 | * wizzyrea | tries to raise chris_n for that question |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Amanu: I believe some people have done this... did you check the mailing list archives? |
| 17:37 | reva | ok, maybe chris: or chirs_n or wizzyrea?: how do I import into Koha an authority record I have saved from LC? |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | i'm sorry I don't know |
| 17:38 | Amanu | jcamins: no ihaven't! |
| 17:39 | wizzyrea | also |
| 17:39 | you may be interested to know that www.koha.org isn't the official webpage | |
| 17:39 | the official website is at www.koha-community.org | |
| 17:40 | reva | wizzyrea: I thought that is what the bulkimportauthority command was for? (I have never had to deal with authorities and technology before.) |
| 17:42 | jcamins | reva: I gather the instructions in the script didn't work? |
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| 17:43 | jcamins | I've never tried because you can only download authority records one at a time from LC. Much less trouble to just enter authorities myself. |
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| 17:45 | reva | jcamins: I am sorry I did not get what script you are referring to. Also, cataloguing log is turned to ON under sys preferences. So would the Log file be in the directory and I can simply read it as a text file? |
| 17:45 | jcamins | reva: under Tools (in the staff client) is the log viewer. |
| 17:46 | There is a script called misc/migration_tools/bulkauthimport.pl | |
| 17:46 | I have never used it, but I think it is for importing authorities. Isn't that what you're trying to use? | |
| 17:47 | reva | jcamins: that is what I have also been doing, creating my own? But I thought you could save all the LC authority files (which we got one at a time) together and stage and import it into Koha, no? |
| 17:47 | jcamins | reva: no, you can only download one authority record at a time. |
| 17:47 | It's very painful. | |
| 17:48 | Or did you find a way to download multiple authority records from LC? | |
| 17:49 | reva | jcamins: I knew that limitation with LC authority files. But can you not append them all in a single file and import them into Koha? |
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| 17:49 | jcamins | I have no idea. |
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| 17:49 | jcamins | Maybe. But you'd still have to manually download each one. |
| 17:50 | reva | jecamins: I agree, LC is below par with this end of their catalog. |
| 17:51 | zen | am doing koha bulk import everything is fine except it can't display copy number! is there anyone who can help me? |
| 17:52 | reva | jcamins: I do not that for a fact either; I was just asking because in Unix you can append files. But I do not know if in the .mrc (is that the extension for a MARC file?) can be handled the same way. |
| 17:53 | oh zen: can you tell me how you do bulk import? have you done it with authority files? or only bib records? | |
| 17:53 | jcamins | I think probably it would be possible, because the MARC format is stream-oriented, but I have never tried. |
| 17:53 | reva: try running the bulkauthimport.pl script without any arguments. | |
| 17:53 | It will give you instructions. | |
| 17:54 | zen | only bib records! |
| 17:54 | jcamins | You can also try using bulkmarcimport.pl with a -a argument. |
| 17:54 | reva | jcamins: I will give it a go. Also is the Log file a txt file? |
| 17:54 | jcamins | (instead of -b) |
| 17:54 | I don't think so. I think maybe it's stored in the database. | |
| 17:54 | reva | jcamins: I meant I will give the script a go. |
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| 17:56 | reva | So where exactly would I look for the operator id (id of staff who created/edited) in a record? |
| 17:57 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:59 | reva | what is the -b parameter for? (I kind of guess the -a is for all.) |
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| 18:00 | jcamins | reva: I think -b is bibliographic and -a is authority |
| 18:00 | Hi cait | |
| 18:00 | It's the same as the patron id. | |
| 18:00 | cait | hi jcamins |
| 18:01 | reva | ok jcamins: -a is for authority, dah:0 |
| 18:02 | ok, so that is helpful in the training drills so that I address remarks to the correct staff-student. | |
| 18:02 | cait | jcamins: i think we have a patch somewhere to show place of publicaton in opac |
| 18:02 | not sure I send it, but I am sure it was done for our library | |
| 18:04 | reva | cait: how would I patch (I mean download and inject it into Koha)? Maybe you can find out from your library and let me know, please. |
| 18:05 | cait | reva: I can not find out before tomorrow - I am at home now and have limited access to our installations and my files |
| 18:05 | but its quite easy | |
| 18:06 | reva | cait: I was not meaning immediately; but may be even next week. |
| 18:06 | cait | you only need to add a subfield to the xslt |
| 18:06 | will check for the patch | |
| 18:07 | reva | oh, I think I understand. is it the xsltdisplay found in the OPAC? |
| 18:08 | cait: I will check back with you next week. Thanks. | |
| 18:08 | wizzy_awa is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 18:08 | jcamins | It will be in MARC21slim2OPACDetails.xsl. |
| 18:08 | cait | ok :) I have some xslt things scheduled for next week |
| 18:09 | dinner time | |
| 18:10 | reva | Thanks jcamins: and cait: for your help; bye for now. |
| 18:14 | wizzyrea | hmm do we need to add a "browser" field in our bugzilla |
| 18:14 | now that we have at least 3 very popular browsers in use with koha? | |
| 18:15 | jcamins | Hm, that would make sense. |
| 18:15 | I'm surprised Bugzilla doesn't provide that automatically. | |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | we have an "OS" dropdown |
| 18:16 | tcohen | how'd you call a rebuild_zebra library? |
| 18:16 | C4::Catalog::Rebuild? | |
| 18:16 | owen | There's a browser compatibility component |
| 18:18 | jcamins | owen: yeah, but if how can you tell if you're encountering a browser compatibility problem or a problem in, e.g., the cataloging interface? |
| 18:18 | Errr... please disregard the extra "if". | |
| 18:18 | owen | True |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea | it would help you replicate too |
| 18:18 | to know what they were using | |
| 18:19 | er | |
| 18:19 | you = one | |
| 18:19 | not just you of course | |
| 18:19 | jcamins | I can no longer access my catalog from Firefox, so I could easily misidentify a compatibility bug as a functionality bug. |
| 18:20 | wizzyrea | even if it's something like "I'm using IE and I can't..." and the answer is "use firefox," at least we'll have that as a diagnostic tool. |
| 18:21 | gmcharlt? master of the bugzilla? | |
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| 18:26 | jcamins | Would other libraries find it useful if Koha optionally checked that each item had a unique location/call#/copy#? |
| 18:29 | ebegin | jcamins, it's my understanding that call# doesn't have to be unique... but i may be wrong, i'm not a librarian :) |
| 18:29 | wizzyrea | yea, we don't have unique call numbers |
| 18:31 | jcamins | ebegin: you are completely correct. However, I would like to know when I'm assigning a duplicate call number. |
| 18:31 | I was thinking of something that added a message after you created an item "this call number is a duplicate." | |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | something like that would almost certainly have to be optional |
| 18:31 | jcamins | Controlled by a syspref, obviously. |
| 18:34 | It's not a feature so urgent that I'm going to do anything about it right now, I was just wondering if anyone else would find it useful. | |
| 18:36 | ebegin | jcamins, meanwhile, you could create an SQL report stating your duplicate call numbers... |
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| 18:37 | jcamins | ebegin: ooh, I guess I could do that, couldn't I? |
| 18:37 | Thanks! | |
| 18:39 | ebegin | np :) |
| 18:46 | FROM `items` | |
| 18:46 | GROUP BY itemcallnumber | |
| 18:46 | HAVING COUNT( biblionumber ) >1 | |
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| 18:59 | chris | morning |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 19:00 | cait | hi chris |
| 19:04 | jcamins | ebegin++ |
| 19:04 | # for pointing out that Koha already provided a solution to my problem | |
| 19:10 | wizzyrea | is there some trick to modifying the template includes? I made a change and it's not being reflected and It's quite flummoxing to me |
| 19:10 | owen | Are you sure you're modifying the right template? You haven't switched languages by mistake have you? |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | well I will double check that |
| 19:11 | but I don't think so | |
| 19:11 | owen | It wouldn't happen unless you'd installed translations for testing |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | no, it's not the language |
| 19:11 | it's in members-menu.inc | |
| 19:11 | I can't change the text from "Circulation history" to Checkout History | |
| 19:11 | or | |
| 19:11 | rather | |
| 19:12 | it's changed, but it's not reflected | |
| 19:12 | I've cleared my cache | |
| 19:12 | idk what's left to do | |
| 19:12 | owen | Are you sure there's not also a patrons-menu.inc? |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | well |
| 19:12 | * owen | is away from his VM |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | that is a very good point |
| 19:13 | no, I don't think there is | |
| 19:13 | patron-search-box, patron-search, patron-toolbar | |
| 19:13 | but members-menu.inc is what's being included in the tmpl I'm looking at (readingrec.tmpl) | |
| 19:13 | ebegin | wizzyrea, make sure you are modifying the right version. Installed dir vs source dir (depending of your install type) |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | maybe circ-menu? |
| 19:14 | ebegin: also a good idea, i'm pretty sure I'm working in the live dir | |
| 19:14 | it's a dev install | |
| 19:14 | since changes I made to other templates have been reflected | |
| 19:14 | owen | Yeah, circ-menu.inc |
| 19:14 | ebegin | ok, so it's the live dir then ;) |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | let me look at circ-menu |
| 19:16 | owen++ I think that's it | |
| 19:16 | thank you, whew, that was it | |
| 19:16 | I thought I was losing my mind | |
| 19:16 | aside, I also can't read properly | |
| 19:16 | lol | |
| 19:17 | owen | At one time there were good reasons for having the two includes. I'm not sure if there still are. |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 19:18 | why do we have both messaging and notices? | |
| 19:18 | * wizzyrea | is picking up lots of rocks today |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | ooh! worms! |
| 19:19 | cait | wizzyra: does notices still show all borrower's messages instead only those of the borrower account open? |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | no, it shows only the ones sent to me |
| 19:19 | or the active patron | |
| 19:19 | cait | ah cool |
| 19:19 | owen | Bug 3941 |
| 19:19 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Notices Tab on Patron Records Showing All Msgs |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | perhaps we should close that bug, but the original question stands: why both tabs? |
| 19:21 | notices shows everything messaging does, and more | |
| 19:22 | * owen | saw that bug today but has no notices or messages in his test system |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | notices: http://screencast.com/t/ZDhjYjUxNGY |
| 19:23 | er, messaging | |
| 19:24 | cait | wizzyrea: I am ot sure it shows all |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | notices: http://screencast.com/t/ZDhjYjUxNGY |
| 19:24 | gah | |
| 19:24 | http://screencast.com/t/MGIxYmM2OW | |
| 19:25 | cait | hm, you are right, but messaging is a bit better to look at |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | well, it depends on what you define as better |
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| 19:25 | cait | I would like the text to show in a sepaarate window and formatted |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | you mean the content |
| 19:26 | cait | ah sorry, yes |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | no need to apologize, I was just clarifying |
| 19:26 | I must have been too tired to remember to return the no cry sleep solution lol | |
| 19:27 | cait | witout formatting it's hard to tell which items were in the notice |
| 19:27 | and with formatting the table gets too big | |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | tis true |
| 19:27 | owen | So both tabs show basically the same info? |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | I don't have a preference really, I'm just wondering why ^^ |
| 19:27 | yea | |
| 19:27 | they appear to | |
| 19:27 | just one more succinctly than the other | |
| 19:28 | I rather like the messaging view | |
| 19:28 | owen | weird |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | I mean (dangit) the notices view |
| 19:28 | cait | it would be better if there was just another column in link in the messaging view to show the content |
| 19:28 | ah, now you are confusing me :) | |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | I like the verbosity of the notices view |
| 19:29 | it's not like you're going to use that to know what they had checked out, that's what checkout history is for | |
| 19:29 | but you would use it to see what notice they got when they claim to have returned an item | |
| 19:29 | and got a notice anyway | |
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| 19:30 | wizzyrea | (we have seen that happen when a person returns an item after library hours, then gets the overdue message because their item is in the book drop when the overdues are generated. Boy are they irate.) |
| 19:31 | idk, I'd like to get rid of one of them because they are redundant | |
| 19:31 | but I'm not sure which | |
| 19:31 | owen | We don't even charge fines and patrons are still irate about it. |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | and if they serve separate purposes |
| 19:31 | yea, not many of our libraries charge fines either | |
| 19:31 | it just turns out people really don't like getting email | |
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| 19:32 | wizzyrea | I think I'll send something to the dev list about it |
| 19:32 | "uh, what's this about?" | |
| 19:32 | cait | our libraries all charge fines |
| 19:32 | notices are important | |
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| 19:33 | cait | I have to link the fine to the notice (I know, only we want that...) so i like messaging but stilll think the display would look better with a way to see the formatted notice :) |
| 19:33 | owen | wizzyrea: I'd be curious what git-blame says about those tabs. It might indicate the right hand not knowing what the left is doing |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | ah, true |
| 19:35 | ...hdl last touched both tabs | |
| 19:35 | august last year | |
| 19:36 | cait | it's been like that for a long time |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | in the same commit, no less |
| 19:36 | cait | I think there is bug somewhere |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | ok well I"m not going to touch them :P |
| 19:48 | owen | This is interesting. Git says that at one point someone made a commit to remove one of them |
| 19:48 | "members/notices.pl and members/messaging.pl are doing the same thing" | |
| 19:49 | cait | wizzy: meant bug report, sorry, getting late |
| 19:49 | owen | The commit was reverted, "Should remove members/notices.pl instead" |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | weird |
| 19:49 | owen | ...but obviously no one went back and actually removed notices.pl |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | so, whoever it was never got back to removing notices.pl |
| 19:49 | jinx | |
| 19:50 | either way, the various names for reading history have all been changed to "checkout history" | |
| 19:50 | :P | |
| 19:53 | owen | hdl's comment "should remove members/notices.pl instead" refers to the more verbose version right? |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | un moment |
| 19:53 | yes | |
| 19:53 | I had to double check. | |
| 19:54 | dk what's better, seeing the text of the notice or only being able to say that it was sent | |
| 19:54 | owen | Isn't more information usually better? |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | well that's what I thought |
| 19:55 | spose we could improve it | |
| 19:55 | a little of that js trickery that makes a link to "show contents of this notice" | |
| 19:55 | and expands it | |
| 19:55 | might be nice | |
| 19:56 | owen | So *is* Bug 3941 fixed? |
| 19:56 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Notices Tab on Patron Records Showing All Msgs |
| 19:56 | chris | And then I had to translate it to circulation history |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | we took a vote earlier >.> |
| 19:56 | chris | Checkout is what you do at hotels |
| 19:57 | * chris | was reminded of this onsite in christchurch yesterday |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | so does your Check Out tab say "circulate" |
| 19:57 | chris | When 2 of the librarians commented |
| 19:58 | Issue | |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | or "Issue" |
| 19:58 | chris | And return |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | aha, so it should be "Issuing History" |
| 19:58 | chris | Circulation works fine too |
| 19:58 | owen | Chris, when you're release manager you can decree that we change them all back! ;) |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 19:58 | * cait | imagines books as visitors in the library hotel |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | that was very poetic, cait |
| 19:59 | cait | ;) |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | really, they'd rather be traveling |
| 19:59 | travelling | |
| 19:59 | owen | travellling |
| 19:59 | chris | Translating works fine |
| 20:00 | As long as people don't keep changing their minds | |
| 20:00 | Its re re re translating that gets old | |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | well, these 3 places are now all the same |
| 20:01 | 3 places, and 3 different names | |
| 20:01 | chris | And quit it with the z :) |
| 20:01 | Luckily I can regex those out | |
| 20:02 | If its not zo or ze its an s :) | |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 20:04 | chris | Wizzyrea: circulation history works for borrowers, issuing history for items |
| 20:04 | That's how my librarians like it anyway :) | |
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| 20:05 | chris | I wonder what the en_gb one uses |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | I'm trying to think about how our librarians refer to it |
| 20:05 | when they refer to an item | |
| 20:05 | they often refer to "circ history | |
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| 20:06 | owen | Our librarians refer to it as "Oh god you mean it remembers everything they've had checked out?!" |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | well they would refer to both as circ history |
| 20:06 | hehe | |
| 20:07 | chris | Yeah u need to fix your govt so that's a feature not a bug :) |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | I need to fix lots of stuff. |
| 20:07 | not all of it is attainable. | |
| 20:07 | lol | |
| 20:07 | owen | I'm sure it's more worrisome to librarians than it is to our users |
| 20:07 | chris | The anonymise job does erase the history |
| 20:08 | owen | ...considering what people put on Facebook |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | oh for sure |
| 20:08 | I was just thinking about how our librarians consider it a feature that they can tell a patron what book they checked out 3 years ogo | |
| 20:08 | ago | |
| 20:08 | I can't even see my amazon orders that far back | |
| 20:08 | which potentially has more relevance than my effing library reading history | |
| 20:09 | * wizzyrea | fumes a little. |
| 20:09 | larsw | me, I think it's creepy if libraries keep track of what patrons read |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | ^^ agreed |
| 20:10 | larsw | outstanding books, sure, but once a book is returned, the library should forget about it, imho |
| 20:10 | jcamins | Amazon keeps track of every page you look at. |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | ^^ I don't like that either |
| 20:10 | owen | A lot of patrons would like to be able to check to see if they've read something before |
| 20:10 | ...because some of them read so much they can't remember | |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | yea, that's our librarians' big argument for keeping the data |
| 20:11 | jcamins | I can understand that. |
| 20:11 | larsw | owen, they can opt-in to do that, that's fine of course |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | we're all like "but the FBI... blah blah... take your records without telling you.... blah blah" |
| 20:11 | owen | Maybe someday we'll find that missing opac-privacy page |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | which is what it sounds like to them |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Goodness knows I could never remember everything I've read in the last year. |
| 20:11 | owen | (bug 3881) |
| 20:11 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy |
| 20:11 | larsw | if I cared about that, I'd keep the list myself, though, since I get reading materials from so many sources that a library's system would be insufficient |
| 20:12 | but I'll shut up now (hit-and-run commenting, that's me) | |
| 20:12 | * wizzyrea | gets whiplash watching larsw come and go |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | zoom |
| 20:14 | chris do you have a feeling about the notices.pl vs. messaging.pl thing we were talking about (that they both show on the member menu, and show the same thing) | |
| 20:14 | (or nearly the same thing) | |
| 20:14 | jcamins | Important philosophical question for the members of #koha: is open source free like a kitten or free like a puppy? |
| 20:15 | * wizzyrea | ducks |
| 20:15 | * brendan | lions |
| 20:16 | owen | Free like a handful of ball bearings |
| 20:16 | * brendan | read that too fast :) |
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| 20:24 | richard | hi |
| 20:24 | jcamins | So, the concensus is "no one cares"? |
| 20:26 | owen | jcamins: http://www.googlefight.com/ ? |
| 20:27 | jcamins | Apparently puppies win. |
| 20:27 | chris | sorry was my bus stop |
| 20:27 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 20:28 | chris | wizzyrea: pick the one that shows more |
| 20:28 | jcamins: i answered this question already | |
| 20:28 | "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." | |
| 20:29 | http://www.librarian.net/stax/[…]e/#comment-133362 | |
| 20:29 | jcamins | chris++ |
| 20:30 | cait | lol |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | @quote add <chris> "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." |
| 20:30 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | @quote get 23 |
| 20:30 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | @quote add <member:chris> "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." |
| 20:32 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #90 added. |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | woot |
| 20:33 | @quote remove 90 | |
| 20:33 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | @quote add <chris> "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." |
| 20:33 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #91 added. |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | there we go. |
| 20:33 | @quote get 90 | |
| 20:33 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #90 in my database for #koha. |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 20:33 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009) |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Have a good night, everyone. |
| 20:34 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 20:34 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 20:34 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.8�C (1:42 PM PDT on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:36 | * owen | is still waiting for someone to hook munin's quote database to Bugzilla's quips list |
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| 20:41 | chris | yeah that would be good owen |
| 20:41 | druthb | @quote random |
| 20:41 | munin | druthb: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 03:50 PM, January 28, 2010) |
| 20:43 | chris | @quote stats |
| 20:43 | munin | chris: There are 83 quotes in my database. |
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| 21:15 | cait | good night all |
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| 21:17 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 21:17 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 05:37 PM, July 17, 2009) |
| 21:18 | chris | oh yeah that was the bacon day |
| 21:18 | @quote random | |
| 21:18 | munin | chris: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 11:05 PM, May 30, 2009) |
| 21:19 | druthb | @quote random |
| 21:19 | munin | druthb: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 12:13 PM, June 16, 2009) |
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| 21:29 | wajasu | i'm progressing through installing perl module prerequisites for 3.2beta on archlinux but with perl5.12. |
| 21:29 | it seems Time::localtime is builtin core | |
| 21:30 | chris | oh, i hadnt seen this before http://bpraweb.puntobiblio.com/ |
| 21:31 | wasaju: cool | |
| 21:36 | wajasu | though i've installed Date:ICal the koha_perl_deps.pl -m still shows it as missing. Also that HTTP::OAI has a dependency on XML::SAX::Base that conflict with the earlier installed Sax parser. I've just comment out the HTTP::OAI from the makefile. |
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| 21:48 | wajasu | Unix::Syslog is used by zebraqueue_daemon.pl Maybe that should be a perl required module? |
| 21:48 | chris | no, because that script is deprecated |
| 21:48 | wajasu | ahhh |
| 22:13 | no more wiki.koha.org ak.a. http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ncodingscratchpad (INSTALL.ubuntu and INSTALL.fedora7 refer to this for an install) | |
| 22:16 | chris | are you installing from git? |
| 22:17 | wajasu | i grabbed the beta |
| 22:18 | chris | right |
| 22:18 | if you have time, you could clone the repo, and send a patch fixing those links | |
| 22:19 | if not, then report a bug (cos it will scroll out of my scroll buffer here, and never get fixed otherwise) | |
| 22:19 | wajasu | i'm also installing into an lxc-container, so my distribution is minimal. then I can run a script to build koha lxc-containers and run/test installs |
| 22:19 | chris | cool |
| 22:19 | wajasu | ok. i'll write bug. maybe a patch when I have time. |
| 22:20 | chris | cool |
| 22:20 | wajasu | no LC_???? thing needs locale set to UTF-8 now? |
| 22:20 | as its not mentioned in INSTALL.debian | |
| 22:32 | ok. i set my LC_???? environ vars correctly now for my lxc-container. just need to config mysql apache, then run the webinstaller. | |
| 22:39 | rhcl | "chris> oh, i hadnt seen this before http://bpraweb.puntobiblio.com/" |
| 22:40 | OK, I looked up an item in the catalog and then looked at the source code for that page, and saw it was using Koha. | |
| 22:40 | but chris, was there something more obvious to you that indicated they were using koha? | |
| 22:43 | wasabi | rhcl: yes, their URL ;) |
| 22:43 | http://bpraopac.puntobiblio.co[…]-search.pl?q=love | |
| 22:45 | rhcl | harumph |
| 22:46 | wasabi | i think chris has a daily automated 'koha' google-search running. |
| 22:47 | rhcl | Yea, frankly I don't peruse the world's library catalogs doing searches to see which ones run Koha. |
| 22:47 | wasabi | and it often returns surprising results, like this one :) |
| 22:48 | yep, but google does | |
| 22:49 | rhcl | Yea, but that's like doing the easy sudoku's--the hard sudoku's are like doing the work yourself, and looking at the code, and are much more rewarding. |
| 22:49 | like this: <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0006010" | |
| 22:58 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 22:58 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (4:02 PM PDT on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:58 | brendan | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 22:58 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 20, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:00 | robin | that doesn't tell you the wind, which isn't so bad today but is usually quite relevant. |
| 23:08 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
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| 23:20 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/4044164[…]k-safety-briefing |
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| 23:44 | wajasu | maybe we need the all black koha edition |
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| 23:50 | wajasu | i've compiled a distribution package for Date::Ical just as for many other perl modules, but after my distribution install, the koha_perl_deps.pl reports its not installed. Hmmm. |
| 23:54 | robin | wajasu: $ perl -MData::ICal |
| 23:54 | that'll tell you for sure | |
| 23:55 | (if you get an error it's not installed. If it just sits there its OK and you can ctrl-C out) | |
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