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| 03:03 | Amit | heya chris |
| 04:04 | brendan | hi amit |
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| 05:20 | CGI978 | . |
| 05:21 | I want to know when the koha version of 3.2 will be released | |
| 05:22 | chris | when the release manager decides it's ready |
| 05:22 | there should be a release candidate in the next few days (we have had 2 alpha and a beta release already) | |
| 05:23 | CGI978 | thnx chris... |
| 05:24 | what is the process of installing alpha and beta version | |
| 05:24 | ? | |
| 05:24 | is it same like koha-3.06 | |
| 05:24 | chris | yes |
| 05:24 | 3.0.6 that is | |
| 05:24 | (the second . is important) | |
| 05:24 | http://download.koha-community.org/ | |
| 05:26 | CGI978 | the second " Im nok |
| 05:26 | pk | |
| 05:26 | ok | |
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| 05:39 | kf | morning #koha |
| 05:39 | chris | hiya kf |
| 05:40 | kf | hi chris :) |
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| 07:56 | chris | evening richard |
| 07:59 | hmmm who wants to be the one to tell Bob Ewart that the 3.0 manual (on the old site, not the new one by the wayne state students) is not licensed under a license that allows him to take it and put a logo on it | |
| 08:00 | dont all volunteer at once :) | |
| 08:01 | * larsw | would whistle if he could |
| 08:01 | chris | heh |
| 08:02 | so larsw what do I need to bring tomorrow? passport? | |
| 08:02 | larsw | chris, passport and fingerprints of your key |
| 08:03 | gpg --fingerprint | |
| 08:03 | chris | righto |
| 08:03 | larsw | preferably printed rather than handwritten, but either is fine :) |
| 08:03 | chris | ill print it out at work :) |
| 08:04 | larsw | :) |
| 08:06 | magnus | sounds intriguing... |
| 08:06 | larsw | we're meeting for lunch and will do a bit of pgp keysigning at the same time |
| 08:07 | chris | magnus: we can do a keysigning at the developer conference at kohacon too |
| 08:07 | larsw | yay! |
| 08:07 | chris | since you will all have your passports with you :) |
| 08:07 | larsw | cross-oceanic keysigning ftw |
| 08:07 | kf | is there any known reason why koha would state an item as imported in importitemd but it is not in intems and not in deleteditems? |
| 08:08 | chris | magnus: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos[…]signingparty/#ss1.1 |
| 08:08 | kf | we have 266 items like this one of our installations and I have no idea wh |
| 08:08 | y | |
| 08:08 | chris | what was the rule used for them? |
| 08:08 | kf | i cut one of those out of the marc file and imported it without problems |
| 08:08 | chris | maybe it was set to not create items? |
| 08:09 | magnus | chris: thanks for the link, it all seems a bit clearer now... |
| 08:10 | kf | overlay_action: ignore (bibs from union catalog were imported first), nomatch_action: create_new, item_action: always_add |
| 08:10 | chris: I checked that, the only difference to my import is, that I used add_only_for_matches as item_action | |
| 08:11 | chris | hmm im out of ideas then |
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| 08:13 | greenmang | hello friends, where can I get a list of public NCIP Complient ILS Servers? |
| 08:13 | I tried googling but no luck | |
| 08:13 | chris | NCIP? |
| 08:14 | greenmang | chris: http://ncip.envisionware.com/ |
| 08:15 | chris | yep i know what it is |
| 08:15 | i just dont think you will find much of any ILS that are compliant | |
| 08:15 | SIP2 still has a stranglehold | |
| 08:16 | envisionware and polaris are 2 I know of | |
| 08:17 | unfortunately openncip stalled, but there are plans to restart it, which will allow Koha and Evergreen to enable NCIP | |
| 08:17 | greenmang | chris: ok... I installed Drupal NCIP module... so I wanted to test If I can connect to any NCIP ILS |
| 08:18 | chris | im not sure any will have publicly available interfaces |
| 08:18 | since its used for circulation | |
| 08:19 | greenmang | chris: ok... so is it a paid service? |
| 08:19 | chris | no its a protocol used for things like self check |
| 08:19 | its not something you expose for the world to use | |
| 08:20 | and ILL | |
| 08:21 | greenmang | chris: ok.. :) |
| 08:21 | chris | so if you had an ils you could connect your drupal instance up to talk to it, and get information about circulation data |
| 08:22 | like who has what out, and for how long etc | |
| 08:22 | and could even issue things | |
| 08:22 | magnus | sounds a bit like what ILS-DI does? |
| 08:22 | kf | chris: I am out of ideas too, but the library is closed for summer holidays (teacher's library). will try to repair it |
| 08:23 | chris | magnus: a bit, ILS-DI is a webservice |
| 08:23 | and does less, im not sure you can actually issue with ILS-DI | |
| 08:24 | magnus | probably not |
| 08:24 | chris | magnus: its a replacement for SIP2 |
| 08:25 | think of NCIP as odf | |
| 08:25 | and SIP2 as .doc | |
| 08:25 | magnus | http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl renew, but not issue |
| 08:25 | ah, that gives some perspective... ;-) | |
| 08:26 | chris | NCIP is an ANSI standard, SIP2 is a 3M 'standard' :) |
| 08:26 | http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/sponsors/ <-- new sponsor, 2nd from bottom | |
| 08:27 | magnus | nice! |
| 08:27 | kf | cool |
| 08:27 | when is the welcome reception? | |
| 08:28 | chris | monday night |
| 08:28 | kf | ah :) |
| 08:28 | chris | round 5.30 ish |
| 08:29 | greenmang | chris: that was good info.. any links which can explain NCIP in layman's language? :) |
| 08:29 | chris | hmm lemme see if i can find one |
| 08:29 | magnus | cheese, port, single malt... sounds good to me! ;-) |
| 08:33 | chris | magnus: they are sponsoring the first round of bubbles (sparkling wine) |
| 08:33 | greenmang: hmm nope only this http://www.ncip.info/about_ncip | |
| 08:35 | greenmang | chris, hehe ok... thanks!! |
| 08:35 | chris | magnus: http://chow.co.nz/index.php?op[…]w&id=33&Itemid=44 <--- they are joined to this restaurant too, so after drinks we can go next door for a meal |
| 08:38 | magnus | chris: wow, are those the prices on the right there? |
| 08:39 | chris | yup |
| 08:40 | magnus | :-) |
| 08:41 | chris | there are less expensive alternatives within easy walking distance too |
| 08:41 | * chris | doesnt know if that seems expensive or not too you :) |
| 08:41 | chris | to even |
| 08:42 | magnus | um, not at all. ridiculously inexpensive by norwegian standards... |
| 08:43 | chris | ahh, well, thats reasonably pricy by wellington standards |
| 08:43 | magnus | cool :-) |
| 08:44 | chris | there are plenty more expensive, but plenty less |
| 08:46 | (at least in terms of asian food) | |
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| 09:02 | kf | chris: the prices look ok to me too |
| 09:02 | chris | cool |
| 09:04 | im sure robin will take us here too | |
| 09:04 | http://www.hashigozake.co.nz/index.html | |
| 09:07 | magnus | just beer? hm... |
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| 09:18 | Amit | heya magnus, davi |
| 09:19 | davi | hi Amit |
| 09:19 | magnus | hi Amit |
| 09:19 | * kf | drinks no beer |
| 09:22 | chris | wine? |
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| 09:22 | ivan is now known as ivanc | |
| 09:23 | ivanc | hallo |
| 09:23 | I'm new here what is the difference between www.hoha.org and hoha-community.org ? | |
| 09:23 | kf | chris: not much alcohol at all :) |
| 09:24 | but I am sure I wll find something :) | |
| 09:24 | chris | ahh well there will be plenty of non alcoholic drinks there |
| 09:25 | ivanc: http://koha-community.org/home/ | |
| 09:25 | explains it | |
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| 09:26 | chris | koha-community is open to all the community, koha.org used to be, but is now controlled by one company who is actively hostile to others in the community |
| 09:27 | ivanc | chris: tnks |
| 09:27 | but the software is the same? who develop? | |
| 09:28 | chris | koha-community.org is the official site, and official releases are posted there (git.koha-community.org, wiki.koha-community.org, download.koha-community.org etc) |
| 09:29 | ivanc | whi I need ( in the next future ) some help to realize a project for italian biblios |
| 09:29 | ( I hope ) | |
| 09:29 | chris | you should talk with zeno tajoli |
| 09:30 | who is a koha developer in italy | |
| 09:30 | ivanc | chirs: tnks a lot |
| 09:30 | chris | http://www.cilea.it/index.php?id=koha0 |
| 09:33 | ivanc | chris: a german/austria developer ? |
| 09:35 | magnus | kf is german, but usually denies being a developer... ;-) |
| 09:35 | kf | magnus: yep |
| 09:38 | ivanc | Tnks, here on the border I need support also for the German |
| 09:38 | :) | |
| 09:38 | kf | magnus: perhaps I will stop denying after KohaCon |
| 09:39 | ivanc: where are you from? | |
| 09:39 | magnus | kf: i think chris will do his best to persuade you :-) |
| 09:39 | chris | :) |
| 09:39 | ivanc | kf: bolzano |
| 09:40 | south tyrol | |
| 09:40 | kf | ivanc: ah :) I am in Konstanz |
| 09:41 | ivanc | then I could ask for some help? |
| 09:41 | kf | yes |
| 09:42 | ivanc | kf: perfect! |
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| 09:45 | ivanc | kf: depends on whether the project will start but if start I'll need aid |
| 09:46 | kf: your email? | |
| 09:55 | kf | pm |
| 09:59 | ivanc | kf: thanks, see you soon (I hope) :) |
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| 10:00 | * kf | wonders what his project is about :) |
| 10:02 | chris | i guess we'll have to wait and see |
| 10:07 | kf | chris: import with same command now added our missing items... |
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| 10:07 | kf | chris: do I really want to know what happened last time? |
| 10:09 | chris | not sure you can figure it out now |
| 10:10 | not without spending a lot of time trying to recreate the problem | |
| 10:10 | kf | chris: I see no way to find out now, but I will be extra careful with our next migration |
| 10:11 | chris | *nod* |
| 10:17 | * chris | usually uses bulkmarcimport.pl instead of the web interface |
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| 10:34 | kf | chris: we needed matching |
| 10:34 | and we use staged marc import on command line | |
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| 10:51 | OpenUser | Hi, I did ask this yesterday but I had to leave before anyone answered! I upgrade to 3.06 and now, in the Holdings screen in the Status Column it just says "On Loan" before the upgrade it showed the user it was checked out to. |
| 10:51 | any ideas? | |
| 10:56 | chris | in the opac or the intranet? |
| 11:01 | because I dont see On Loan in the templates for either | |
| 11:02 | in the staff client i see Checked out, and if you have independent branches switched on, and you are logged into a different branch to where the item is from, it wont show you who has it | |
| 11:02 | btw its 3.0.6 | |
| 11:03 | OpenUser | it's in the OPAC |
| 11:06 | chris | ah well we dont show the user who has it out in the opac, privacy violatons etc |
| 11:06 | OpenUser | actually it's the STAFF interface |
| 11:06 | and I am a muppet | |
| 11:07 | the reason it wasn't showing "checked out" to was because I was looking in the OAPC | |
| 11:07 | OPAC | |
| 11:07 | chris | yup, that'd do it |
| 11:07 | OpenUser | when I look in STAFF - the details are there! |
| 11:07 | Sorry for wasting your time........ | |
| 11:07 | chris | it wont show you the user in staff, if you are running with independent branches on (and the item isnt from your branch) |
| 11:07 | so if it disappears, check that system preference :-) | |
| 11:08 | OpenUser | I have signlemode ON though? |
| 11:08 | chris | yup, then it will show |
| 11:08 | OpenUser | cool! |
| 11:15 | lunch is now known as magnus | |
| 11:15 | magnus | there is still a pref called OPACShowCheckoutName, but the default is "off", of course |
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| 11:21 | chris | ok, time for sleep |
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| 11:36 | Amit | heya jwagner |
| 11:40 | jwagner | Hi Amit |
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| 11:43 | kf | hi jwagner, druthb and nate :) |
| 11:43 | Nate | Hiya kf! |
| 11:43 | druthb | howdy. :) |
| 11:43 | magnus | good morning america ;-) |
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| 11:44 | kf | hi nengard :) |
| 11:44 | nengard | long time no see everyone :) |
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| 11:54 | Amit | heya nengard |
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| 12:09 | owen | Hello #koha |
| 12:12 | greenmang | how does the barcode chage with a book? is it different for different copies of same book or different for different of same book? |
| 12:12 | or different for different editions* of same book? | |
| 12:18 | owen | greenmang: A barcode is an arbitrary unique identifier for a physical item |
| 12:18 | Each separate physical item in your collection would have its own barcode | |
| 12:37 | kf | owen++ |
| 12:37 | for filing I18N/L10N bugs :) | |
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| 13:00 | magnus | owen++ |
| 13:00 | for fixing bugs, old and new ;-) | |
| 13:01 | owen | Thanks guys :) |
| 13:01 | kf | I try to vary the reasons a bit :) |
| 13:02 | greenmang | owen: thanks a lot :) |
| 13:05 | sekjal | kf: just sent a patch for bug 4385. lost some of my commit message, though... :( |
| 13:05 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability |
| 13:09 | kf | sekjal: cool! will try to test it tomorrow - have to leave earlier today |
| 13:09 | jwagner | sekjal++ -- Saves me doing it :-) You're going to attach a copy of the patch to the bug report, right? |
| 13:09 | sekjal | jwagner: Thanks for reminding me! I'll do that now |
| 13:10 | kf | owen: I saw that you changed bug 2188 - do you plan to work on this? |
| 13:10 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2188 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Accounts.pm outputs untranslatable English strings |
| 13:11 | kf | I started to look into it, but I think it requires a lot of changes |
| 13:11 | owen | Yeah, that put me off too the last time I looked at it. |
| 13:11 | I just wanted to update it with the proper version info since it won't make it into 3.2 | |
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| 13:11 | kf | ok |
| 13:12 | I wanted to check my production systems, was not sure how the descriptions for f and fu from fines.pl look like | |
| 13:12 | but I fear it's a lot more than a display problem :( | |
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| 13:13 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 13:14 | kf | hi jcamins :) |
| 13:14 | ok, time to leave for me - bye all :) | |
| 13:14 | greenmang | can anybody give me the list of ILSs which implement NCIP protocol? |
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| 13:15 | greenmang | http://www.ncip.info/group_members <- is it? |
| 13:18 | jcamins | greenmang: since this is a Koha-specific channel, you'd probably be better off asking your question in a more general venue. It looks like the "Implementation Registry" page on that site lists some ILSes that implement NCIP. |
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| 13:51 | briceSanc | hello |
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| 14:09 | owen | paul_p around? |
| 14:12 | paul_p | hi owen, yes i'm around |
| 14:13 | good morning USA ! | |
| 14:13 | owen | Hi paul_p, I'm looking again at Bug 3285 |
| 14:13 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3285 critical, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Location on Add Subscription should be pull down |
| 14:13 | owen | I wonder if you know whether my latest comment on that bug report is correct? |
| 14:14 | paul_p | owen, it's correct (and it's in git.biblibre.com if i'm not mistaking) |
| 14:17 | we have so many patches to submit to koha-community :-(((( | |
| 14:22 | owen, just sent you something by mail. probably the patch to this bug | |
| 14:22 | HTH | |
| 14:23 | owen | Thanks! |
| 14:29 | paul_p: It looks like that patch adds information about the location to the heading of serials-edit.pl but doesn't affect the location field in the add item form. | |
| 14:29 | Do I misunderstand what subscriptions.location is for? | |
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| 14:37 | owen | The resolution of this bug is probably tied to that of Bug 2664 as well, as both require that some data be passed to whatever routine builds the add item form |
| 14:37 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2664 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Additem form should preselect logged-in branch |
| 14:43 | JeremyLC | Is it possible to use Koha without MARC? We have an existing catalog of 1700+ items (small for a library, but we aren't a library) to import, and we have no MARC records for any of them |
| 14:44 | jcamins | JeremyLC: not at the moment, no. |
| 14:47 | ebegin | JeremyLC, you can convert them to MARC though and then, import them in Koha |
| 14:47 | JeremyLC, what is the format of your data? | |
| 14:48 | JeremyLC | we're using an in-house system now |
| 14:48 | the data is in a MySQL database, most of the data for a given record is specific to this system | |
| 14:49 | the only useful info we have is an accession number, item title/name, language, and media type | |
| 14:49 | and copy counts (1 copy made, 2 copies made, original only, etc.) | |
| 14:52 | ebegin I can format it for import, but I don't think I have enough information to create the MARC records in any automated way | |
| 14:52 | ebegin | MarcEdit is what you need :) |
| 14:53 | paul_p | owen, is your items.location field mapped & active on the items ? |
| 14:54 | JeremyLC | ebegin but how long will it take to take to enter 1700 items? (more than that since we have items that need to be catalogued, but are unavailable for circulation) |
| 14:54 | ebegin | few seconds :) |
| 14:55 | owen | paul_p: items.location works in other cases (regular item editing) if that's what you mean |
| 14:55 | chris_n | any suggestions as to the best strategy to use when merging branches that have several conflicts? |
| 14:57 | briceSanc | i think that i found a bug in bulkmarcimport.pl ? Someone can't check with me ? |
| 14:57 | can | |
| 14:57 | JeremyLC | ebegin using the delimited text translator, perhaps? |
| 14:58 | ebegin | that is correct |
| 14:59 | you have to assign each of your fields (title, author, etc) to their actual Marc Field. Title: 245$a, Author: 100$a, Media Type: 942$c and 952$y. | |
| 14:59 | sekjal | briceSanc: what have you found? |
| 15:00 | ebegin | You can set your accession number to 952$p which is the document barcode. |
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| 15:04 | briceSanc | sekjal, when i want to import authorities marc record, i check duplicates with the marc21 fiels "001- Control number" |
| 15:05 | sekjal, my cmd lime looks like this : ./bulkmarcimport.pl -a -file path/to/record.mrc -d -n 10 -match sn,001 | |
| 15:07 | my 001 field in my marc21 record looks like "201-0000001" to "201-0000014" | |
| 15:07 | but in the Koha-DB, table : auth_header | |
| 15:07 | sekjal, there is just the last import "201-0000014" | |
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| 15:09 | owen | An amusing comment in additem.pl, "This code is subject to change in 3.2 with the implemenation of ajax based autobarcode code" |
| 15:09 | briceSanc | sekjal, and if i modify the 001 field to looks like "201" to "214" |
| 15:09 | owen | The best laid ajax plans... |
| 15:09 | briceSanc | sekjal, all of the records are writing in Koha-DB |
| 15:10 | sekjal | briceSanc: so it sounds like the '-' is messing up the -match parameter |
| 15:10 | like it's dropping everything after it | |
| 15:11 | briceSanc | sekjal, i think that bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't like the "-" |
| 15:11 | saorge_, yes | |
| 15:11 | oops | |
| 15:11 | sekjal, yes :) | |
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| 15:11 | owen | paul_p: The fact that the patch you sent me includes this markup in serials-collection.tmpl, "<i><!-- TMPL_VAR name="bibliotitle" --></i> (<!-- TMPL_VAR name="location" --> ) " lead me to believe that I misunderstand what subscriptions.location is for |
| 15:12 | Is subscriptions.location supposed to be biblio-level information distinct from an item's shelving location? | |
| 15:12 | paul_p | owen, it's supposed to be the default location for items created when recieving the serial |
| 15:12 | briceSanc | sekjal, i will try with rename 001 field "201-0000001" to "2010000001" |
| 15:25 | sekjal, it works with "2010000001" | |
| 15:25 | sekjal | briceSanc: looks like the dash is the problem, then |
| 15:26 | briceSanc | sekjal, or the field type in database : bigint(20) |
| 15:28 | sekjal | I'm not sure if bulkmarcimport.pl is checking the db field, or Zebra. |
| 15:28 | if it's the DB field, there would be the problem of mapping the dash to a value | |
| 15:29 | briceSanc | sekjal, i check that |
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| 15:42 | wizzyrea | owen: quick question re: the holds queue list |
| 15:42 | how difficult to get the subtitle added? | |
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| 15:42 | owen | view_holdsqueue.pl ? |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 15:43 | owen | I'm not sure if I've looked at that before. If I have, then it must be hard or I would have done it. If I haven't, then I don't know :) |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 15:43 | fair enough :) | |
| 15:43 | owen | I can take a look |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | it's just, without the barcode, and with no subtitle, staff can't tell which item in a series to pick without clicking through to the bib |
| 15:44 | very time consuming | |
| 15:44 | I'll file a bug for reminder if that's helpful | |
| 15:45 | owen | Sure |
| 15:49 | briceSanc | sekjal, it works when i change the type of the field |
| 15:49 | sekjal | briceSanc: interesting |
| 15:50 | briceSanc | sekjal, we are searching an idea to improve the script |
| 15:50 | sekjal, i need to do more tests | |
| 15:51 | ebegin | make sense since a '-' can not be part of a BIGINT, unless its a the begining. So the question is if 100-100000 is a legal Control Number and I beleive so. |
| 15:51 | s/its a/it's at/ | |
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| 16:21 | cait | hi all |
| 16:21 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 16:21 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.3�C (6:30 PM CEST on August 17, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:21 | owen | Hi cait & nengard |
| 16:22 | cait | hi owen - saw your patch for location in serials. my coworker will be happy about that, she is preparing for serials training :) |
| 16:22 | owen | I wish it was more complete |
| 16:22 | cait | is it difficult to do the last part? |
| 16:23 | owen | It is for me :) |
| 16:23 | cait | ok, so probably for me too |
| 16:23 | nengard | howdy owen |
| 16:23 | owen | I don't know how to make the subscription add-item screen preselect the location |
| 16:23 | cait | a framework for serials like the acq framework would be a nice addition |
| 16:24 | owen | nengard: I see several patches were approved for Bug 3317. Could you check to see if it's still outstanding? |
| 16:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3317 normal, P5, ---, gcollum, ASSIGNED, Author displays inconsistently ( and incorrectly ) in opac-basket.pl (and when emailing cart ) |
| 16:26 | nengard | owen, trying to catch up on a few things - will look in a minute |
| 16:26 | owen | Thanks, no hurry |
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| 16:43 | nengard | owen the name in the cart is right - i don't have email set up on my test server those so I can't test that |
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| 18:55 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 18:55 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0�C (9:00 PM CEST on August 17, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:58 | druthb | @wunder 20817 |
| 18:58 | munin | druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 33.4�C (3:07 PM EDT on August 17, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:58 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 18:58 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 32.2�C (3:05 PM EDT on August 17, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:05 | cait | brr |
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| 19:05 | wizzyrea | bug 5144 |
| 19:05 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5144 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Duplicate holds allowed if patron clicks back button after placing hold |
| 19:08 | owen | Could probably be merged with Bug 4054 as "Don't allow duplicate holds!" |
| 19:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4054 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 19:09 | owen | This is a long-standing problem that no one has decided was worth fixing |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 19:09 | why no love for reserves | |
| 19:09 | oh right | |
| 19:10 | never mind, I answered my own question, and I can't say it. | |
| 19:16 | owen | When you pull the string in Koha Barbie's back she says "Holds are hard!" |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 19:18 | chris | Morning |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | hey chris |
| 19:19 | cait | hi chris |
| 19:19 | has anyone seen problems with normal display in HEAD? | |
| 19:19 | chris | No |
| 19:20 | At least none have been reported to me | |
| 19:20 | cait | I had a perl error until I changed to xslt, now it's gone... today is mystery bug day |
| 19:21 | chris | Heh |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | normal display in the opac or staff interface? |
| 19:21 | * wizzyrea | recalls something like that |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | but I can't be sure of my memory |
| 19:21 | cait | wizzyrea: staff |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | sec, lemme check |
| 19:22 | cait | import in fresh database, zebraqueue looked good, because of the error I reindexed again and the error was still there, after that I changed to xslt, now I can change back and forth and it's always working |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | I sort of remember this from when I first imported my DB |
| 19:23 | but now it's always working | |
| 19:23 | I just checked, normal view is working on both | |
| 19:23 | with and without xslt | |
| 19:23 | chris | owen does the duplicate holds happen in both staff amd opac? |
| 19:24 | * wizzyrea | is checking |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | yep, it sure does |
| 19:24 | chris | I think blocking identical is not too hard |
| 19:24 | cait | wizzyrea: thx :) a real mystery bug then :) |
| 19:24 | chris | Don't want to accidentally block similar tho |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | :) def |
| 19:25 | chris | Ie for 2 diff items on same biblio |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | well, the same patron should, in most cases, never be allowed to place 2 title level holds |
| 19:26 | chris | Ill see if I can get someone to take a look |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | ptfs has some code that lets you specify itypes that allow dupe holds |
| 19:26 | chris | Heh never and in most |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | i know right |
| 19:26 | jcamins | wizzyrea: how does one deal with multi-volume sets in this case? |
| 19:26 | chris | Its rules like that that make libraries nightmares |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | agreed. |
| 19:27 | that's what the ptfs code hoped to address I think | |
| 19:27 | owen | Actually chris now I can't reproduce Bug 4054 in HEAD |
| 19:27 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4054 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | (we couldn't get it to work though) |
| 19:27 | I just duplicated it on my test system | |
| 19:27 | my 3.2 test system | |
| 19:28 | chris | Can u update the bug with the exact steps you took |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | i'll do you one better and record it |
| 19:28 | chris | Cool |
| 19:29 | So what we want is | |
| 19:29 | A confirmation | |
| 19:29 | This is identical hold to this one | |
| 19:29 | Are you sure? | |
| 19:30 | Then if they hit yes, its their own fault | |
| 19:30 | * chris | goes the low tech route |
| 19:30 | owen | Under what circumstances are duplicates holds allowed? |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/N2RjNmNh |
| 19:31 | chris | Can u link it to the bug |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | it's in the bug :) |
| 19:31 | chris | On my phone at the mo |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | I made a comment on the bug with the link |
| 19:32 | chris | Owen: who knows |
| 19:32 | owen | :) |
| 19:32 | chris | That's why I think catching them |
| 19:32 | And amking someone confirm is the most workable solution | |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | well, I think actually the holds generated are so closely identical, that in this case, filling one fills the other |
| 19:33 | chris | Then you can just tell whoever keeps clicking yes to stop it |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | so they're not ACTUALLY two separate holds |
| 19:33 | chris | Yeah this would catch that |
| 19:34 | It would also catch it | |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea | owen: re: times when dupe holds would be desirable |
| 19:34 | chris | If someone munges a url to bypass the check |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea | as jcamins said, multi volume sets, teachers placing several copies on hold for a class, book clubs |
| 19:35 | owen | there might be a reason why someone would *want* to place multiple holds, but doesn't Koha usually block them? |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 19:35 | chris | This hold is identical to this, naybe you hit back by mistake, if you really want to do this click yes |
| 19:36 | Librarians may yell at you though | |
| 19:36 | owen | I was just blocked when I tried to do it, although turning off javascript let me bypass it |
| 19:36 | chris | Yup |
| 19:36 | We need it in the code | |
| 19:36 | wasabi | FYI, im re-writing ptfs/BL holds this week, for kapiti... |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | I was doing it in chrome, maybe that's a difference as well |
| 19:36 | chris | You can't trust js for stuff like this |
| 19:36 | cait | wizzyrea: I remember we had a problem like this with opera once |
| 19:37 | not with koha, but horizon opac | |
| 19:37 | resulting in duplicate ill requests - so I think it can be browser dependant | |
| 19:37 | dependent? | |
| 19:37 | wasabi | i started splitting request.pl into 3 separate files, yesterday |
| 19:37 | owen | Yes, dependent :) |
| 19:37 | chris | bbiab |
| 19:38 | cait | thx owen :) |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | wasabi: if you can make holds work, I will love you forever. |
| 19:38 | for. ev. er. | |
| 19:38 | cait | wizzyrea: be careful :) |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 19:39 | * wizzyrea | might be inspired to poetry if holds can be made to work properly. |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea | er, more properly |
| 19:39 | wasabi | i think have a good-shot, after i split request.pl |
| 19:41 | ill save my victory-lap after i finish | |
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| 19:44 | wasabi | ...i still have a patch for your opac back-button auth-bug, i need to submit too :/ |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | !!! |
| 19:46 | you fixed that! | |
| 19:46 | really!? | |
| 19:46 | * wizzyrea | goes a bit slackjawed |
| 19:47 | wasabi | its not a pefect-fix. but it works just fine on kapiti's firefox opacs |
| 19:48 | a very common web-app bug , it turns out... | |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 19:49 | wasabi | with a tricky fix, most web-browsers dont allow JS to modify (read: destroy) web-page history |
| 19:49 | ... as it could be used as a security-exploit | |
| 19:50 | so the admin/user has to manually enable that permission on the browser, only then the JS fix works.. | |
| 19:51 | ill aim to send the patch in, this arvo | |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | that would be so great. I can't wait. |
| 19:52 | chris | Yay |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | wasabi++ |
| 19:52 | wasabi | promises, promises.... |
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| 19:53 | * wasabi | back to working on holds... |
| 19:53 | owen | Time to quit. Bye all |
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| 19:55 | chris | The other option is run in private mode |
| 19:55 | Or incognito for chrome | |
| 19:55 | Then close that on logout | |
| 19:55 | History is then gone | |
| 19:56 | wasabi | still req. the user to do that... |
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| 19:56 | wasabi | a pebcak fail |
| 19:56 | chris | I reckon you could make the browser do it |
| 19:56 | At least with chrome | |
| 19:56 | wasabi | well, thats what my JS fix does :) |
| 19:56 | chris | Its just a window close |
| 19:56 | cait | I think there is a plugin for firefox too |
| 19:57 | chris | Yeah but now ur js is modifying history |
| 19:57 | Rather than opening and closing a window | |
| 19:57 | wasabi | but, in FF a low-level perm needs to be enabled , to close that window |
| 19:58 | chris | Yep you can do that on your opacs |
| 19:58 | wasabi | close-window, mod window history needs the same perm enabled, afaik |
| 19:58 | yep, my prev. point :) | |
| 19:58 | chris | Seems a little dangerous |
| 19:59 | If now I can rewrite history on that browser | |
| 19:59 | wasabi | hmm, i better re-read my email to dan, to check that.... :) |
| 19:59 | chris | I'm pretty sure the sysadmins here would kill me |
| 20:00 | wasabi | ah, i was wrong :) |
| 20:00 | edit firefox's global 'user.js' file, and add this line to it... | |
| 20:00 | user_pref("dom.allow_scripts_to_close_windows", true); | |
| 20:01 | chris | Yup ill have to read up on it too |
| 20:01 | wasabi | pref closes/open a new window, destorying browser history :) |
| 20:01 | heres some links.... | |
| 20:02 | http://www.debian-administrati[…]all_firefox_users | |
| 20:02 | http://www-archive.mozilla.org[…]g/briefprefs.html | |
| 20:02 | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Locking_preferences | |
| 20:02 | chris | But if it does allow arbitrary js to modify history, sounds very xss dangerous |
| 20:03 | wasabi | yeah, that method was my 1st attempt, i switched to window close/open method |
| 20:03 | more secure ;) | |
| 20:04 | chris | Cool so that's what it does now? |
| 20:04 | Close and open windows? | |
| 20:05 | wasabi | yep, with some little JS wrapper subs() for tidyness |
| 20:05 | chris | Cool, much less scary than modifying the history |
| 20:07 | wasabi | yeah, the mod-history method i recall, coz it stumped me, and i switched |
| 20:07 | chris | You could inject nastiness |
| 20:10 | wasabi | yep, its officially a stupid idea for a fix |
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| 20:13 | hdl | Hi all |
| 20:14 | wasabi | heya hdl |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | hi hdl |
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| 20:18 | cait | hi hdl |
| 20:19 | hdl | Hi cait |
| 20:20 | Have to go to sleep | |
| 20:20 | cait | me too |
| 20:20 | creating example patrons with characters from twilight and star wars instead ... ;) | |
| 20:22 | ok, should better sleep | |
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| 20:26 | cait | will do now - bye all |
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| 20:29 | richard | hi |
| 20:32 | chris | heya richard |
| 20:32 | richard | hi chris |
| 20:32 | * richard | wasn't ignoring you last night |
| 20:32 | richard | just playing on the laptop in the sitting room |
| 20:33 | chris | no worries |
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| 21:40 | wizzyrea | owen++ for his intranetuserjs hackery |
| 21:40 | just sayin. | |
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| 23:04 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 23:04 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (4:08 PM PDT on August 17, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling). |
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