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| 00:07 | chilts joined #koha | |
| 00:11 | chris | hey chilts |
| 00:12 | chilts | hiya :) |
| 00:13 | chris | curry yet? :) |
| 00:20 | brendan joined #koha | |
| 01:33 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 01:33 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (6:20 PM PDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling). |
| 01:34 | brendan | @wunder 06516 |
| 01:34 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 13.8�C (9:09 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). |
| 01:43 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 01:43 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 23.5�C (9:44 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 01:51 | brendan | hiya chris_n |
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| 03:24 | brendan | @seen pianohacker |
| 03:24 | munin | brendan: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :) |
| 03:26 | chris | yeah havent seen him for ages |
| 03:26 | brendan | I miss pisnohacker |
| 03:26 | I wonder where he's going to uni next year | |
| 03:27 | chris | i hope MIT |
| 03:27 | brendan | last I heard MIT was a no :( |
| 03:27 | chris | the fools |
| 03:27 | brendan | I think we should right a letter of recommendation from koha-community |
| 03:28 | spelling is failing me | |
| 03:28 | chris | :) |
| 03:28 | * mason | waves at brendan/chris |
| 03:29 | brendan | heya mason |
| 03:29 | mason++ | |
| 03:29 | chris | heya mason |
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| 03:33 | brendan | hi Amit_G |
| 03:34 | Amit_G | hi brendan, chris |
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| 05:41 | kohamongol | hi, alll |
| 05:41 | hi, everybody | |
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| 05:46 | ineedhelpkoha | hi, everybody |
| 05:46 | kohamongol | sds |
| 05:46 | ineedhelpkoha | is there anyone who knows about koha, |
| 05:47 | I really really need help | |
| 05:47 | kohamongol | hello |
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| 06:12 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
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| 06:13 | magnus | good morning, #koha! |
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| 06:48 | Amit_G | heya Ropuch, magnus |
| 06:48 | magnus | hi Amit_G |
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| 07:15 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:54 | kf | jwagner: around? |
| 08:01 | chris | i think its the middle of the night in the US |
| 08:02 | 4am | |
| 08:11 | paul_p | hello chris & kf & al |
| 08:11 | chris | hiya paul_p |
| 08:13 | kf | hi chris and paul_p |
| 08:14 | chris: I tested the po files from pootle yesterday, so far I found no untranslated buttons :) | |
| 08:16 | chris: bug 4208 | |
| 08:16 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4208 critical, P1, ---, chris bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 |
| 08:17 | chris | cool |
| 08:25 | kf | chris: there was some confusion (ebegin asked about the bug on irc), because no patch attached - I saw that hdl wrote a patch (http://spedr.com/2lwnl) |
| 08:26 | chris | yep, not sure it has been pushed yet |
| 08:27 | but yeah would be good to attach it | |
| 08:27 | Ropuch | Hi kf, chris |
| 08:28 | kf | ok |
| 08:30 | chris: do you want me to attach it? I was not sure it was what you did before updating pootle | |
| 08:30 | hi Ropuch | |
| 08:30 | chris | yeah i applied it locally then ran the update on the german files |
| 08:31 | kf | ah ok |
| 08:32 | not sure how to attach it, I will add a link to the mailing list archive | |
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| 08:35 | chris | that works :-) |
| 08:36 | kf | ok, done |
| 08:36 | Amit_G | heya kf |
| 08:36 | @wounder Bangalore | |
| 08:36 | munin | Amit_G: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command. |
| 08:37 | Amit_G | @wunder Bangalore |
| 08:37 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 32.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. |
| 08:37 | Amit_G | @wunder New Delhi |
| 08:37 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (1:30 PM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:37 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 08:37 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:37 | kf | hi Amit_g |
| 08:37 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 08:37 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.4�C (10:30 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:37 | Amit_G | @wunder Dehradun |
| 08:37 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 33.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa. |
| 08:46 | chris | kf: thanks for that |
| 08:47 | kf | chris: no problem :) |
| 08:49 | will need some help later with zebra :( I tried adding a new index for record control numbers (used for linking bibs to each other in $w) | |
| 08:54 | chris | ahhh hdl_laptop is a guru with that |
| 08:55 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 08:55 | brendan left #koha | |
| 08:56 | chris | there he is :) |
| 09:00 | kf | :) |
| 09:00 | hi hdl_laptop | |
| 09:02 | hdl_laptop: I have a problem with zebra and adding new indexes and chris recommended you as zebra guru. but the problem is on my laptop at home, so you are save :) | |
| 09:04 | Colin joined #koha | |
| 09:04 | hdl_laptop | can you describe that in details in an email. So that we can spare time. |
| 09:04 | what you did | |
| 09:04 | What you want | |
| 09:04 | What you tested | |
| 09:04 | you can have some clues using zebraidx -S | |
| 09:05 | btw there should be a symposium about Koha in France by the end of May | |
| 09:05 | kf | hdl_laptop: I hope I have time to work on it today after work, will write you an email if zebra stays stubborn |
| 09:05 | hm but will be in french? | |
| 09:06 | hdl_laptop: and thx for the offer! | |
| 09:06 | hdl_laptop | I think so |
| 09:06 | http://docmiop.wordpress.com/symposium-koha/ | |
| 09:07 | kf | I regret that I took Russian in school and not French :( |
| 09:07 | chris | hdl_laptop: you should put that up on koha-community.org |
| 09:07 | hdl_laptop | chris Yes. |
| 09:07 | chris | hdl_laptop: is it at the SAN OP library ? |
| 09:07 | hdl_laptop | yes |
| 09:08 | chris | kf: its worth going just to see that library :) |
| 09:09 | kf | I will give a talk on koha next week |
| 09:09 | * chris | wishes he could go, hdl_laptop say hi to bruno and arnaud from me |
| 09:10 | chris | kf: ohh cool |
| 09:10 | kf | http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/inetbib2010/ |
| 09:10 | chris | in zurich? |
| 09:11 | kf | yes :) |
| 09:11 | chris | very cool |
| 09:12 | you will be speaking in german eh? | |
| 09:13 | i have a friend from nz who now lives in fribourg | |
| 09:13 | kf | yes |
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| 09:13 | chris | cool, she speaks german |
| 09:14 | miguel | hi all |
| 09:14 | chris | hi miguel |
| 09:14 | kf | hi miguel |
| 09:21 | thd | fredericd: are you present? |
| 09:28 | magnus | the meeting is in half an hour, right? |
| 09:29 | chris | yup |
| 09:29 | magnus | goody |
| 09:29 | chris | according to my calculations |
| 09:30 | Genji joined #koha | |
| 09:30 | Genji | hiya all! |
| 09:31 | Hmm..... theres a distinct lack of Topic: | |
| 09:33 | thd | Genji: and no one seems to have permissions to set a topic :) |
| 09:34 | Genji | Yes.... my GenjiScreen has been continuously lurking, waiting to be the first connection, if the server ever goes down.. |
| 09:34 | Guess it never has. | |
| 09:35 | Theres a community meeting of some sort today? | |
| 09:35 | magnus | Genji: yup http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10apr07 |
| 09:36 | Genji | cool. |
| 09:56 | whos actually awake? | |
| 09:58 | kf | oh, today is meeting? |
| 09:58 | thd | not me |
| 09:58 | Genji | yes, i believe, in 2 minutes time? |
| 09:59 | kf | oh :( will miss most of it I think |
| 10:00 | bbl | |
| 10:00 | Genji | huh... christmas island is ahead of new zealand... |
| 10:02 | thd | who is conducting the meeting? |
| 10:03 | who is here? | |
| 10:04 | chris | i am |
| 10:04 | Ropuch | Me too |
| 10:04 | Colin | I'm here |
| 10:04 | magnus | me 2 |
| 10:04 | chris | but we probably need gmcharlt if it is to be useful, at least for the 3.2 bit |
| 10:05 | we could cover the other items on the agenda, and anything else people want to talk about as well | |
| 10:05 | thd | Do we have anyone to cover 3.0? |
| 10:06 | chris | hdl_laptop was here earlier |
| 10:07 | thd | hdl_laptop: ping |
| 10:07 | chris: are you starting the meeting for the presently assembled? | |
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| 10:09 | chris | if people want to, i have nothing to talk about |
| 10:10 | thd | I could propose a topic if of discussion if no one is yet present to cover important agenda items |
| 10:11 | * thd | hunts for the link |
| 10:12 | thd | http://old.nabble.com/wiki.koh[…]g-td27799812.html |
| 10:12 | chris | yep we need gmcharlt to talk to that point to |
| 10:12 | thd | Was there no reminder for this meeting? |
| 10:12 | chris | no |
| 10:13 | thd | I have been making many reminders and reminding others about reminders. |
| 10:13 | This should be a lesson to us in the absence of reminders people will forget. | |
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| 10:16 | Genji | first i knew of this meeting, is the committee saying that the entire committee says its unnecessary to attend this meeting? no progress has occured on koha.org |
| 10:17 | "All koha subcommitteee members were contacted to discuss whether any point in us meeting: answer no. Chris, Galen et al are all equally up with the play as I am." from joann | |
| 10:17 | chris | that was the meetng this morning genji |
| 10:17 | Genji | ah... hmm.. okay. |
| 10:17 | chris | and they were both announced (the community handover meeting this morning and this one) |
| 10:18 | and posted on the koha-community.org site and the wiki | |
| 10:18 | just not a reminder sent out yesterday | |
| 10:18 | Genji | anyway, im here. Hiya chris. |
| 10:18 | collum left #koha | |
| 10:19 | chris | i suspect the time of this meeting is pretty bad for non insomniacs (like thd :)) |
| 10:19 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 10:19 | chris | its what 5.20am or something? |
| 10:20 | gmcharlt | good morning - sorry, thought 10:00 UTC+0 would be 07:00 EDT |
| 10:20 | thd | 6.20 AM in Florida |
| 10:20 | chris | there ya go |
| 10:20 | yeah 7 is more managable | |
| 10:21 | Genji | so, whos meeting chair? |
| 10:21 | thd | 7 is less manageable for me |
| 10:22 | collum[1] left #koha | |
| 10:22 | gmcharlt | well, do we have a quorum to get started now? |
| 10:22 | thd | we may be missing informed content about the state of 3.0 |
| 10:22 | collum joined #koha | |
| 10:23 | chris | i think so |
| 10:23 | thd | paul_p: are you present? |
| 10:23 | gmcharlt | I saw hdl_laptop was here 1.5 hours ago |
| 10:23 | so maybe he'll jump in | |
| 10:23 | so .... | |
| 10:23 | belatedly | |
| 10:23 | let's get this meeting started | |
| 10:23 | round of intros | |
| 10:24 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, RM, Equinox |
| 10:24 | * Ropuch | = Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE |
| 10:24 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Aggme, New York City |
| 10:24 | * chris | = Chris Cormack, TM, Catalyst |
| 10:24 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:25 | collum | Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library |
| 10:25 | magnus | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:25 | * Genji | = Waylon Robertson, mandumah.com edusearch devel, 33rd contributor, Palmerston North, New Zealand. |
| 10:25 | chilts | Andy Chilton, Catalyst IT |
| 10:26 | Colin | Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe |
| 10:28 | gmcharlt | small, intimate meeting, I see :) |
| 10:28 | agenda is | |
| 10:28 | - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.2]]. | |
| 10:28 | - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.0]]. | |
| 10:28 | - Follow-up on actions from [[meetingnotes10mar03]]. | |
| 10:28 | - Developer documentation | |
| 10:28 | - Agree times of next meetings. | |
| 10:29 | re 3.2 - I'm working on the backlog of patches that have been submitted - will be pushing the bugfixes with aim of getting a 3.2 alpha 2 out the door in a couple weeks | |
| 10:29 | mason | oops, running late... |
| 10:29 | = Mason James, KohaAloha. NZ | |
| 10:30 | gmcharlt | and if chris doesn't mind, I think we're in a position where a 3.4 branch should be started soon to accept the new features that keep coming in |
| 10:31 | Colin | gmcharlt: How big is the backlog? |
| 10:31 | chris | a 3.4 branch ... or a 3.2 branch and the features go into master? |
| 10:33 | gmcharlt | Colin: about 150 bugfixes patches, and more features patches, some of which are masquerading as bugfixes |
| 10:33 | chris: a 3.2 branch with new stuff going into master is fine, though you'll need to merge often over the next few weeks if we do it that way | |
| 10:34 | althernative is a future branch that gets merged into master when we split off 3.2 for maintenance | |
| 10:34 | chris | im easy either way, one big merge at the end or smaller ones along the way |
| 10:35 | whatever is easier for you | |
| 10:35 | gmcharlt | either way, we'll either new help getting gitosis perms worked out on git.koha.org or get git.koha-community.org up |
| 10:35 | chris | yup |
| 10:36 | i have permission to push, for 3.0.x anyway | |
| 10:36 | gmcharlt | Colin: if you would start QM work now and do a patch testing and signoffs for 3.2 and give me pullable chunks of testable patches, that would be a good thing |
| 10:36 | chris | but we will need to give fredericd permission to push up po files |
| 10:37 | Colin | gmcharlt: ok |
| 10:37 | chris | Colin: and any that look like new features that i could pull that would be most excellent |
| 10:39 | i think ill make a new_features branch and then when we branch 3.2.x for maintenance merge that back into master .. i think thats easiest | |
| 10:39 | gmcharlt | chris: sounds good |
| 10:40 | was it brendan who offerred to host git.k-c.org? | |
| 10:40 | kf | hi, sorry for being late |
| 10:40 | chris | i think so |
| 10:40 | hdl_laptop | here |
| 10:42 | chris | you just pushed a bunch now gmcharlt ? |
| 10:42 | gmcharlt | chris: starting to |
| 10:42 | hdl_laptop: good morning - let's move on to the 3.0.x update | |
| 10:42 | * chris | tests .. nope i cant push a new branch |
| 10:43 | chris | so we will need cfouts help with that |
| 10:43 | or, shift git | |
| 10:43 | gmcharlt | right |
| 10:43 | chris, why don't you see if cfouts will help you set up the new branch and permissions | |
| 10:43 | chris | will do |
| 10:43 | hdl_laptop | 3.0.x still has one problem I have to cope with : xsltfiles. |
| 10:43 | chris | ill drop him an email first thing in the morning when im more coherent |
| 10:44 | hdl_laptop | But the branch is stable enough |
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| 10:45 | hdl_laptop | I also have to care about some reserves isssues that were reported on the koha-fr channel |
| 10:46 | chris | you are still planning a 3.0.6 release? |
| 10:46 | hdl_laptop | Yes. |
| 10:46 | chris | cool |
| 10:46 | hdl_laptop | as soon as those two problems can be coped with |
| 10:47 | thd | hdl_laptop: In what way are xsltfiles a problem? |
| 10:47 | hdl_laptop | change on xslt preferences. |
| 10:47 | gmcharlt | which were not forward-compatible with work being done in 3.2 |
| 10:47 | hdl_laptop | to take file patchs and urls instead of being hradcoded. |
| 10:48 | yes. | |
| 10:48 | thd | Thanks for the clarification |
| 10:49 | hdl_laptop | any questions ? |
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| 10:50 | mason | none from me |
| 10:51 | chris | nor me |
| 10:51 | gmcharlt | ok, moving on to follow-up from action items from previous meeting |
| 10:51 | I think main thing hanging over is updating the bug assignees | |
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| 10:53 | chris | ah yes |
| 10:54 | kf | will bugzilla move to koha-community.org too? |
| 10:54 | mason | can that re-assigning be done easily using the web-gui? |
| 10:54 | chris | yep, you can change the default assignees easily that way |
| 10:55 | mason | ok, i thought so... |
| 10:55 | chris | kf: yes, catalyst will probably be hosting it |
| 10:55 | * chris | makes sure to follow that up with the sysadmins tomorrow |
| 10:56 | * nengard | = Nicole Engard (who is late) |
| 10:56 | chris | (we have the ok to host it, just need to make it happen but the urgency came off a little bit, but the plan is still to move it afaik) |
| 10:56 | gmcharlt | chris: cool |
| 10:56 | ok, moving on | |
| 10:56 | next agenda item is developer documentation | |
| 10:57 | * kf | = Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 10:57 | Genji | with PTFS acquiring liblime, its possible that you could get bugzilla's actual database, chris? |
| 10:57 | chris | it is a possibility |
| 10:58 | i have xml of all the bugs, if that doesnt pan out tho .. it would be much nicer to get the db of course | |
| 10:58 | tajoli | Hi [tajoli = Zeno Tajoli , CILEA], for developer documentation I think that my offer about MySQL is under this topic |
| 10:58 | nengard | gmcharlt my goal was to get something written to make people new to koha and possibly to programming to feel more comfortable jumping in ... but i don't think i made that clear and so i have no clue where we are with developer docs since so many people had opinions :) |
| 10:58 | * Genji | nods. "Can always ask first, then if that fails, xml it.' |
| 10:59 | nengard | the problem is i can't write it alone - cause i don't know what i don't know :) |
| 10:59 | gmcharlt | nengard: I think the main issue is that I was concerned whether you were right a tutorial or (as I think some others may have been wanting) normative documentation that sets development standards and policies |
| 10:59 | thd | nengard: Whereof one does not know one can ask and cajole. |
| 11:00 | nengard | well i think we need both |
| 11:00 | and in both cases i couldn't do it alone | |
| 11:00 | tajoli | For me is clear that I need to coordinate SQL docs with this effort |
| 11:00 | gmcharlt | but, no offense, you are not the one to write the latter |
| 11:00 | Genji | An idea, is to create a wikibook? |
| 11:00 | gmcharlt | normative dev standards *must* be *openly* discussed by *all* active developers |
| 11:00 | nengard | no offense taken - but i don't see anyone who should be writing it jumping in :) |
| 11:00 | gmcharlt | either on koha-devel or on the wiki |
| 11:01 | thd | nengard: we once had a now out of date document about the coding standards in kohadocs.org |
| 11:01 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: ok. |
| 11:01 | chris | i agree |
| 11:01 | hdl_laptop | But when should we start talking about that ? |
| 11:01 | gmcharlt | which is not to say that the final result couldn't benefit from editorial cleanup, which you could contribute to, nicole |
| 11:01 | nengard | thd is it still there? someone could take that and update it - or lots of someones |
| 11:01 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: nothing stopping anybody from doing it whenever |
| 11:01 | chris | the coding guidelines on the wiki are a good start |
| 11:02 | gmcharlt | if we want to do some like making discussing the coding guidliness a stnading agenda item for the general IRC meetings |
| 11:02 | we can do that | |
| 11:02 | tajoli | About automatic estraction of info in C4:: ? |
| 11:02 | thd | I would be willing to contribute to that as well as documenting some arcana with which I am especially familiar. |
| 11:02 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]:codingguidelines |
| 11:03 | tajoli | And guidelene to write perldoc comment inside them |
| 11:03 | thd | I may be heading for a time crash lasting a few weeks but I will persevere |
| 11:03 | tajoli | guidelines |
| 11:03 | chris | yep, thats in the guidelines already |
| 11:03 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ingguidelines#pod | |
| 11:04 | gmcharlt | well, there's clearly a desire, so I propose that we go ahead and set up the standing agenda item I mentioned |
| 11:04 | to make it easier to manage (i.e., to not have it turn into discussions that are not concreate enought to act on) | |
| 11:05 | I further propose that specific points of change be added to that agenda item each month | |
| 11:05 | i.e., not to make it completely open | |
| 11:05 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt++ |
| 11:05 | gmcharlt | but limit it to just 2 or 3 gudineline items a month |
| 11:05 | chris | sounds like a plan to me, and i think that any ideas should be added to that wiki page and talked about on koha-devel too |
| 11:05 | lots of people can't make the meetings | |
| 11:06 | gmcharlt | nengard: I don't want to put you off - I agree that a tutorial is a good thing, and I agree that there is a real need for better editorial work and organization on the wiki |
| 11:07 | but ultimately, coding guidelines are driving by everybody who is submitting patches, with the caveat that the RM has discretion about rejecting patches that just don't work or don't follow the guidelines | |
| 11:08 | chris | as does QA |
| 11:08 | gmcharlt | and it is quite possible that we'll have to get to the point that if you are an active contributor and submit a patch that doesn't follow the guidelines |
| 11:08 | it will be held over until any problems are fixed | |
| 11:09 | thd | Held over with gentle encouragement for the kittens I presume |
| 11:09 | Genji | its not the RM or QA's responsibility to make a patch conform to guidelines, even if the patch is great and successful, if it doesn't conform, back it goes to the patcher? |
| 11:09 | chris | yep, we have been quite lenient about that in the past, but with the volume of patches now, the RM can no longer fix them |
| 11:09 | gmcharlt | Genji: generally, yes |
| 11:09 | I give more leeway to somebody who is a new contributor | |
| 11:10 | or who is clearly eager but needs guidance on coding | |
| 11:10 | chris | *nod* |
| 11:10 | Colin | plus if we fix them all we continue to get rogue patches |
| 11:10 | kf | tutorials would help here |
| 11:11 | I think im one of the beginners who will need help to make patches better | |
| 11:11 | Colin | what might help is some good examples (the codebase does not always supply them) |
| 11:11 | chris | yup |
| 11:11 | thd | That is the greatest problem |
| 11:11 | chris | maybe we (you and I) could pick a good patch or 2 each month |
| 11:11 | thd | Do as is stated not as one sees. |
| 11:12 | chris | to use as examples |
| 11:12 | patches of the month :) | |
| 11:12 | thd | chris++ |
| 11:12 | gmcharlt | chris: worth trying |
| 11:12 | Genji | Back in the long distant past of koha, there was CVS... everyone committed patches to it... and features and some libraries just used a cvs dump to run..if a bad patch or feature went in, and a library dled and ran with the cvs... but now we have Git, RM's and QA's... fantastic. |
| 11:13 | gmcharlt | and hopefully soon a small army of module maintainers and bug wranglers |
| 11:13 | ok | |
| 11:13 | to sum up | |
| 11:13 | 1. we'll wait nengard's tutorial (you mean you aren't done yet? ;) | |
| 11:13 | 2. we'll add a standing agenda item to discuss specific changes to the coding guidelines | |
| 11:14 | collum | If we are working on a file that has code that does not conform to the standards, should we refactor? |
| 11:14 | chris | only if you do it an separate patch |
| 11:14 | gmcharlt | collum: yes, but with caveats |
| 11:14 | i.e., what chris said | |
| 11:14 | collum | ok |
| 11:15 | gmcharlt | and if the changes involving more than just textual formats |
| 11:15 | adding test cases is a really, really, really, really | |
| 11:15 | really, really, really | |
| 11:15 | good idea | |
| 11:15 | chris | :) |
| 11:15 | gmcharlt | did I say it was a good idea? |
| 11:15 | chris | larsw will be pestering us all about that |
| 11:15 | he has been testing test coverage of koha | |
| 11:15 | its about 12% | |
| 11:16 | we need that about 88% higher | |
| 11:16 | or at least 80% | |
| 11:16 | :) | |
| 11:17 | kf | how difficult is it to write test cases? |
| 11:17 | magnus | a little howto on tests, or a pointer to some good ones, would be appreciated then :-) |
| 11:17 | kf | magnus++ :) |
| 11:17 | Ropuch | :) |
| 11:17 | chris | kf: its actually not too hard, its easier if you do the test first, then write the code so that it passes |
| 11:18 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ment:unit_testing | |
| 11:18 | gmcharlt | ok, then I think we're ready for the final agenda item, setting the time of the next meeting |
| 11:18 | magnus | chris: nice, hadn't seen that |
| 11:18 | gmcharlt | 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May? |
| 11:19 | chris | thats not quite true anymore, but its a good start |
| 11:19 | actually most of it is true | |
| 11:19 | gmcharlt: works for me | |
| 11:20 | thd | chris: what is not true? |
| 11:21 | chris | the directory structure where the tests live |
| 11:21 | but yeah, have a look in the t dir | |
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| 11:23 | hdl_laptop | ok for me |
| 11:23 | IrmaCalyx | Irma from CALYX - sooo sorry I am late - Hi all :-) |
| 11:23 | * mason | waves at irma |
| 11:24 | gmcharlt | ok, thanks all |
| 11:24 | * chris | goes to sleep |
| 11:25 | thd | good night chris |
| 11:25 | tajoli | for me 9:00 UTC+0 on 5 May is ok |
| 11:25 | * thd | needs to sleep shortly |
| 11:25 | Colin | sweet dreams of successful tests |
| 11:25 | tajoli | sorry 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May |
| 11:25 | is ok | |
| 11:26 | mason | thanks again galen |
| 11:28 | hdl_laptop | thanks |
| 11:29 | Genji | me too. sleep callith. |
| 11:29 | night all. | |
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| 11:50 | juan | one question. Anybody could review or test our development about Mail in Koha? |
| 11:52 | were are going to commit a new development, our Fines in days module, which has differences with the one that will be included in new version of Koha | |
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| 12:16 | hdl_laptop | juan|away: no time for that at the moment but quite interested. |
| 12:17 | * owen | reading the meeting log, offering regrets for being absent |
| 12:18 | jwagner | There was a meeting? |
| 12:19 | nengard | i'm having a problem that makes no sense - i can't seem to check out an item to a patron with an overdue item - i don't get a message pop up - just an empty yellow box and there are no errors in the log file ... but i have no preferences set that should stop me from checking the item out .... ideas? |
| 12:19 | jwagner | nengard, see Bug 4036 |
| 12:19 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, kyle.m.hallgmail.com, ASSIGNED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING |
| 12:20 | * owen | shakes his fist at Bug 4036 |
| 12:20 | nengard | ick - that's a big issue |
| 12:20 | grrr | |
| 12:21 | jwagner | I think there are a couple of other related bugs, this was the one that came up in the search. |
| 12:21 | kf | yes |
| 12:21 | jwagner | Basically, the system thinks there's a reason not to allow checkout/renewal, but the screen doesn't know what the reason is so it displays the empty box. |
| 12:21 | kf | bad bug |
| 12:21 | * owen | likes the "patch of the month" suggestion |
| 12:22 | jwagner | ? |
| 12:22 | nengard | but the system does think there is a reason .... so how do i find that reason so i can get the darn thing to let me check out so i can get the screenshots I need??? :) |
| 12:22 | jwagner - from the meeting minutes | |
| 12:22 | jwagner | Try a different patron/item? |
| 12:23 | nengard | did that |
| 12:23 | tried lots of combos | |
| 12:23 | if the patron has at least one item overdue (which I need) then i can't check out | |
| 12:24 | and if the system thought there was a reason wouldn't it be in the log ... well maybe not if it's not an error - just a reason ... grrr | |
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| 12:28 | kf | nengard: it blocks because its the day the item is due I think... which makes no sense |
| 12:29 | nengard: it should at least be overdue | |
| 12:29 | nengard: I was testing notices and fines and this bug forced me to change all my test cases :( | |
| 12:30 | nengard | kf meaning today is the day the item is due? |
| 12:30 | kf | yes |
| 12:31 | nengard | well when i specify to make the due date a diff date it still won't check out |
| 12:32 | kf | you cant check out to a patron with an overdue book right now |
| 12:32 | I think the yellow box should be something like | |
| 12:32 | nengard | grrr - okay |
| 12:32 | kf | this patron has overdoes, still want to check out another book? y/n |
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| 12:34 | * chris_n | also offers regrets for missing the meeting this morning |
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| 12:34 | owen | Koha has NEVER before blocked a checkout because a patron had overdues. I don't know why it should start now. |
| 12:35 | * jwagner | speculates, sheer perversity? |
| 12:37 | owen | Will someone be sending out an official notice of the next Koha General meeting date and time? |
| 12:37 | nengard | have tricked the system by editing the db directly - not good practice but i need to get this image :) |
| 12:38 | jwagner | trickery++ |
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| 12:42 | kf | I think it should be possible to deactivate some of those warnings |
| 12:42 | hilongo | good morning everyone :) |
| 12:42 | I guess I'm a little late for the meeting | |
| 12:44 | jwagner | At least you remembered that there WAS a meeting, unlike some of us :-) |
| 12:45 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 12:46 | Maybe there's a way to have reminders send to list automagically by callendar app on koha-community ;> | |
| 12:48 | kf | gmcharlt: just send you another mail with the sample data from yesterday converted for import into koha |
| 12:48 | gmcharlt | kf: thanks |
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| 12:50 | kf | gmcharlt: I tried to describe what our program does, just ask if its not clear what I meant |
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| 13:23 | ftherese1 | hello... why do you suppose git doesn't supply the french install stuff? |
| 13:24 | + how do I add it? | |
| 13:25 | paul_p | bonjour ftherese |
| 13:25 | ftherese1, you're right, git doesn't include localized koha. But it includes the translations & the tool to generate them | |
| 13:25 | ftherese1 | salut paul_p |
| 13:25 | paul_p | look in misc/translator directory |
| 13:26 | ftherese1 | alors... thanks |
| 13:26 | je m'y met | |
| 13:26 | paul_p | ftherese1, and we have a french channel (very quiet...) on freenode, #koha-fr |
| 13:27 | ftherese1 | that's why I came here ;) |
| 13:27 | I had more success here in the past | |
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| 13:39 | owen | Hi cm |
| 13:39 | cm | hi owen! |
| 13:40 | do you know if anyone's planning on adding xslt templates for the staff interface? iirc, they're not in 3.2 yet. | |
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| 13:41 | owen | cm: They are in the latest version, at least for the detail page. Not for the search results page. |
| 13:43 | kf | cm: I tested them, detail works fine |
| 13:43 | cm | thanks. i think the search results page is where i'm missing them the most, though. there are a couple issues that i think would be easier to fix in xslt, like adding subtitles and the problem with ampersands. |
| 13:44 | owen | There is some work in progress which should improve display of subtitles. |
| 13:44 | What problem with ampersands? | |
| 13:45 | kf | Im not sure, but perhaps you could already add a xslt template for search results in 3.2, I think there is a sysprf |
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| 13:45 | kf | xslt stylesheet |
| 13:45 | cm | where they show up as "&" |
| 13:46 | owen | cm: I don't think I've seen that |
| 13:46 | cm | the opac search results did the same thing; i submitted a patch that fixed it, though it was probably kind of a hack. |
| 13:46 | kf | XSLTResultsDisplay Show biblio records on result page in the staff client - I set it on using xslt stylesheet but not sure it changed anything |
| 13:47 | * chris_n | notes another migration to closed-source LLEK |
| 13:48 | cm | yeah, i think the sysprefs were changed to separate the xslt templates for the opac & intranet (they were both using the same template at one time), and now the ability is there to have it, but the template doesn't exist. |
| 13:49 | owen | Exactly. |
| 13:49 | chris_n: Where? | |
| 13:49 | * magnus | wonders why anyone would choose LLEK at this time... |
| 13:50 | owen | magnus: Perhaps a library that had been in negotiations with LibLime for a while? |
| 13:50 | magnus | owen: yeah, probably |
| 13:50 | owen | Oh here it is: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=14685 |
| 13:50 | chris_n | snap |
| 13:51 | cm | owen: i think the ampersand issue has something to do with this bug: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3326 |
| 13:51 | munin | 04Bug 3326: normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml |
| 13:51 | cm | we're indexing as xml |
| 13:52 | owen | Okay, that's new to me. What is the difference between indexing as xml and the standard? |
| 13:52 | ftherese | paul_p: so I need to do something like ./translate install fr-FR? |
| 13:52 | perl that is | |
| 13:52 | paul_p | ftherese, yep |
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| 13:55 | cm | owen: you can either store your records as marc or marcxml, and choose to use one or the other with rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 13:55 | i don't remember exactly why we settled on storing records as marcxml, but i think it had to do with migrating our records from dev_week to koha3 | |
| 13:57 | kf | bye #koha :) |
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| 13:58 | ftherese | paul_p only one error... hope it isn't serious |
| 13:58 | Use of uninitialized value $pref_name in concatenation (.) or string at LangInstaller.pm line 173. | |
| 13:59 | and at line 131 | |
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| 14:10 | ftherese | paul_p: I installed the fr-FR translation, which looked like it worked, but I still have only en as an option |
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| 14:15 | ftherese | should it have been named just "fr" instead of "fr-FR"? |
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| 14:18 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 14:19 | Does anyone know if there is an idiot's guide to creating custom indexes in Zebra? | |
| 14:21 | chris_n | it seems that in all of our code-style deliberations we should consider "requiring" the initialization of all vars when they are first defined |
| 14:21 | this would avoid *many* warns in comparisons | |
| 14:21 | paul_p | ftherese, fr-FR, and pls activate it in sysprefs / i18n tab |
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| 14:22 | ftherese | I haven't installed the system yet |
| 14:22 | j'ai besoin de l'unimarc | |
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| 14:23 | paul_p | ftherese, so, you must have french setup & don't need to do anything with sysprefs |
| 14:23 | (but it must be fr-FR) | |
| 14:23 | ftherese | so... why won't it let me select fr-FR from the setup menu? |
| 14:23 | after running translate install fr-FR | |
| 14:27 | ... frustration | |
| 14:28 | why won't the setup page let me select another language?!? | |
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| 14:46 | paul_p | ftherese, pls check you've a directory $KOHA/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr-FR ? |
| 14:46 | ftherese | it includes these files: |
| 14:46 | columns.def css includes js lib modules xslt | |
| 14:46 | @paul_p | |
| 14:46 | munin | ftherese: Error: "paul_p" is not a valid command. |
| 14:47 | ftherese | sorry munin |
| 14:47 | paul_p | ok, so it exist. so it's translated. |
| 14:47 | ftherese | right... I tried restarting apache2 |
| 14:47 | reloading it | |
| 14:48 | and refreshing the browser | |
| 14:48 | but it won't show the fr-FR in the menu | |
| 14:48 | on /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl | |
| 14:48 | paul_p | grrrr... should do |
| 14:49 | ftherese | do I need to give it the translate -p update? |
| 14:50 | upon reading the documentation | |
| 14:50 | it just looks like that deals with only a few of the files | |
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| 14:57 | ftherese | I guess I'll just let it go |
| 14:57 | forget about it | |
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| 15:23 | ricardo | Hi everyone |
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| 15:25 | ricardo | I have a development question: is there a way to have a "stack trace" displayed somewhere (screen, log...) for a function call in Koha? I'm having, for some authority searches, a Crash ("Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /koha/koha30xclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 890.") and I would like to debug this... |
| 15:25 | ... but the function that contains that line is called from several places (so, I think a trace would be nice) | |
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| 15:33 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: about? |
| 15:33 | jdavidb | present, more or les. |
| 15:34 | gmcharlt | just wondering if you have any comments on the three-patch series for bug 3482 that hdl_laptop sent on 3/17 |
| 15:34 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses |
| 15:35 | jdavidb | I've seen them (meaning, I have them in my inbox, and know they are there) but have not had minutes enough to rub together to *do* anything with them. I haven't forgotten; am just thoroughly buried. |
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| 15:59 | jcamins | Does anyone here happen to know how to make zebra recognize additional attributes, without modifying bib1.att? |
| 16:00 | moodaepo | yes |
| 16:01 | jcamins | Really? How do you do it? I tried creating a separate file, and adding it to zebra-biblios.cfg, and it doesn't seem to recognize my new attributes. |
| 16:03 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 16:03 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 27.7�C (11:49 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 12%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:03 | jdavidb | @wunder 20817 |
| 16:03 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 31.6�C (11:28 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling). |
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| 16:05 | moodaepo | jcamins: my yes was for another window sorry : ( |
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| 16:20 | cait | hi #koha |
| 16:21 | jwagner | hi cait |
| 16:21 | Nouman | hi |
| 16:21 | jdavidb | hi, cait! :) |
| 16:21 | cait | :) |
| 16:27 | indradg_ | @wunder kolkata |
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| 16:39 | sjeffery | Can anyone link to an example record showing the issues of a periodical held by a library in Koha? Having the darndest time tracking an example down. |
| 16:46 | tomascohen | hi everyone |
| 16:46 | i was wondering if is koha-zebraqueue-daemon needed? | |
| 16:47 | paul_p | tomascohen, it's deprecated. You should put rebuild_zebra.pl -z in the crontab |
| 16:50 | ricardo | Bye all! |
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| 16:57 | tomascohen | paul_p: thanks! |
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| 17:13 | mib_umdivv | hi all |
| 17:13 | Ropuch | Hi |
| 17:14 | mib_umdivv | does anyone know of a Koha Copy Cataloging Cheat Sheet, Checklist, Guide, Tutorial |
| 17:14 | or anything of that sort? | |
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| 19:41 | chris | gmcharlt: thanks for all the pushing, thats a ton of patches :) |
| 19:41 | cait | hi chris |
| 19:41 | chris | heya cait |
| 19:41 | cait | perhaps you can help me? |
| 19:41 | i want to add a new index to zebra | |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | chris: I think there are three new committers for history.txt today |
| 19:42 | chris | oh cool, i saw the 2 catalysters (donovan and srdjan) |
| 19:42 | cait | I wonder because /etc/zebradb exists in directory kohaclone (git) and koha-dev |
| 19:42 | chris | who was the other one? |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt | Cindy Ames |
| 19:43 | cait | now not sure where to change it - koha-dev is not in git, but it seems koha uses koha-dev and not files under kohaclone? |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt | cait: the koha-dev one is the one that is actually used by the Zebra process |
| 19:43 | chris | ahh awesome |
| 19:43 | cait | hm, but how do i make my patch when i change files in koha-dev? |
| 19:44 | gmcharlt | cait: if it's something to submit, you'll have to change both versions |
| 19:44 | cait | ah ok |
| 19:44 | chris | gmcharlt: im really happy how many female developers we have .. its nowhere near 50% but its way better than most projects |
| 19:44 | cait | I plan to submit everything as soon as possible, perhaps some smaller patches and enhancements |
| 19:45 | chris | yay! |
| 19:45 | cait | but I still need a lot of time for small things :( |
| 19:45 | gmcharlt | chris: agreed. not that we should be resting on our laurels regarding that, of course |
| 19:45 | chris | yeah, last time i sat on laurel i got a punch |
| 19:45 | cait | resting on our laurels? |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | doh - I walked right into that |
| 19:46 | chris | its an old saying cait, (but laurel is also my wife's name) |
| 19:46 | its to do with laurel wreaths isnt it gmcharlt ? | |
| 19:46 | cait | what does it mean? |
| 19:46 | chris | shouldnt become complacent |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | chris: I think so |
| 19:47 | chris | ie we shouldnt think the job is done |
| 19:47 | cait | gmcharlt: is there mroe than changing record.abs, bib1.att and properties.ccl and reindex? |
| 19:48 | chris | cait: http://idioms.thefreedictionar[…]m/rest+on+laurels |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | cait: no, that's it |
| 19:48 | cait | chris: thank you! |
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| 19:48 | cait | gmcharlt: thx! |
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| 19:50 | chris | ok bus time |
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| 20:23 | richard | hi |
| 20:33 | chris | back |
| 20:33 | richard | hey chris |
| 20:33 | cait | ok, all files changed - testing now |
| 20:35 | chris_n | enough of DBIx::Class for one day :P |
| 20:35 | * chris_n | heads home |
| 20:36 | chris | good luck cait |
| 20:36 | cait | thx :) |
| 20:42 | ok, I can find the records with $w now in any, but not with my index rcn: or Record-control-number: | |
| 20:43 | chris | gmcharlt: alex arnaud too |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 20:43 | chris | 4 new committers |
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| 20:44 | cait | ah typo :) |
| 20:45 | chris | that makes 109 |
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| 20:51 | cait | hmpf |
| 20:53 | hm, still not working | |
| 20:55 | chris | i need a synonym for freedom |
| 20:56 | rhcl_away | fired |
| 20:56 | laid off | |
| 20:56 | unemployed | |
| 20:56 | divorced | |
| 20:56 | happily divorced | |
| 20:56 | chris | one thats not from a janis joplin song |
| 20:56 | larsw | autonomous, unhindered |
| 20:56 | chris | ohh thanks larsw |
| 20:57 | i like autonomous | |
| 20:57 | cait | http://10.0.0.2:8080/cgi-bin/k[…]l?q=rcn:006869769 results in error 404 :( |
| 20:57 | chris | dang |
| 20:58 | larsw | chris, http://autonomo.us/ :) |
| 21:00 | cait | Record-control-number 1=1045 |
| 21:00 | rcn Record-control-number | |
| 21:00 | att 1045 Record-control-number | |
| 21:00 | I dont see, whats wrong with those | |
| 21:02 | ok, time to go to bed - good night #koha | |
| 21:04 | chris | night cait |
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| 21:12 | chris | hi brendan |
| 21:22 | brendan | hi chris |
| 21:22 | made it back home :) | |
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| 21:25 | chris | cool :) |
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| 21:27 | magnus | good night, #koha |
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| 21:55 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 21:55 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 25.0�C (2:35 PM PDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:13 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 22:13 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.2�C (5:12 PM CDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:20 | thd_sleeps is now known as thd | |
| 22:55 | * mason | waves from kapiti |
| 22:57 | * richard | waves at mason from wellington |
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