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| 01:53 | wajasu | gonna do an install of the koha alpha. is there an impending beta coming inthe next week, and I'll wait. |
| 01:53 | chris | alpha2 in the next week, id wait for that |
| 01:53 | the RM just pushed a big pile of patches yesterday | |
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| 02:00 | wajasu | is that in koha git? |
| 02:00 | chris | yes |
| 02:03 | wajasu | i ran from git, the trie dpulling a week or 2 later. i did not see any changes. is that because the RM doesn't push patches but every week or two? |
| 02:04 | chris | yes |
| 02:04 | they are pushed when they have been tested | |
| 02:06 | wajasu | i wish there was some html content (even if it is display:none by default) in the div for the search logo and search box. then I could do a CSS style and add my square logo, with library name as large test above the searchbox. Wiithout messing with the header div above, thus using lest screen realestate at the top of my page. |
| 02:07 | chris | send a patch with the change to the template and there will be |
| 02:08 | wajasu | ok. |
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| 03:30 | Jo | chris: are you about? |
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| 03:39 | Amit_G | hi all |
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| 06:07 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
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| 06:45 | magnus | g'day #koha! |
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| 06:48 | Ropuch | Hi magnus |
| 06:48 | magnus | hi Ropuch |
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| 07:27 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:29 | Ropuch | Good morning kf |
| 07:30 | kf | hi Ropuch |
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| 07:50 | magnus | hi audun |
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| 08:08 | CGI369 | hi |
| 08:08 | good day | |
| 08:09 | can i ask for help in setting up koha? | |
| 08:11 | i am done installing but when i access servername:8080 i cannot establish connection | |
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| 12:00 | jdavidb | g'mornin, #koha. |
| 12:02 | magnus | g'day, jdavidb |
| 12:03 | jwagner | Morning, all |
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| 12:12 | jdavidb | the new ptfs demo server is loaded up with the data from dev2, ready for you to do any last-minute tinkerin'. When you've got it like you want, I'll snapshot that for keepers. |
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| 12:15 | hdl_laptop | hi all |
| 12:15 | * jdavidb | grumbles about wrong windows, and goes to get more caffeine. |
| 12:17 | * jwagner | suggests an IV :-) |
| 12:20 | kf | :) |
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| 12:30 | jwagner | @quote random |
| 12:30 | munin | jwagner: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 03:12 PM, September 25, 2009) |
| 12:31 | owen | Anyone seen pianohacker lately? |
| 12:31 | jwagner | He hasn't been on in a long time. School work? |
| 12:31 | jdavidb | @seen pianohackr|work |
| 12:31 | munin | jdavidb: pianohackr|work was last seen in #koha 5 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <pianohackr|work> parents keep _threatening_ to break an arm, but I think they're kidding |
| 12:31 | jdavidb | @seen pianohacker |
| 12:31 | munin | jdavidb: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :) |
| 12:32 | magnus | that could sound a bit ominous... |
| 12:33 | * jdavidb | misses pianohacker. :( |
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| 13:07 | owen | Anyone up for a general git question? I want to track a (non-Koha) web development project with git |
| 13:08 | I'm thinking I set up my existing in-production project as a repo, and clone that locally | |
| 13:08 | Can I create branches in my local clone and push them to the live system as branches alongside the official in-production branch? | |
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| 13:11 | hdl_laptop | owen: you could |
| 13:14 | owen | Any opinion on whether that is a sensible way to do it? I'm just trying to figure out the best workflow |
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| 13:24 | schuster | gmcharlt - after reading some of those patch comments yesterday on Patches(or maybe the day before, I'm really busy and trying to keep up with email) I know why you are the RM! |
| 13:24 | * gmcharlt | steals the title of Curmudgeon-in-chief from jdavidb and jwagner ;) |
| 13:25 | gmcharlt | owen: makes perfect sense |
| 13:25 | ebegin | good morning all |
| 13:26 | jwagner | gmcharlt, I surrender it cheerfully (if that isn't out of character) :-) |
| 13:26 | owen | Thanks gmcharlt |
| 13:31 | * jdavidb | was never Curmudgeon-in-chief; that's jwagner's cover story. |
| 13:32 | * jwagner | grumbles appropriately |
| 13:32 | * jdavidb | thinks jwagner is about as sweet n wonderful as they get. (Disclaimer: biased.) |
| 13:32 | * jwagner | says that's MY cover story :-) |
| 13:33 | owen | jdavidb: Your opinion is suspect because jwagner is in a position to bribe you with cookies. |
| 13:33 | jdavidb | :D and she *does*, owen. |
| 13:33 | owen | Cookies must be distributed widely if we're to have an objective view. |
| 13:33 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
| 13:34 | Now, if we could figure out some way to get me to Kohacon, and if NZ didn't confiscate cookies at the border, maybe.... | |
| 13:35 | * jdavidb | is thinking of baking up something yummy for our group next week. |
| 13:37 | kf | coookieess... |
| 13:38 | * jdavidb | would send kf some cookies, but is unsure how well shipping them would work. |
| 13:38 | schuster | send them to a website they could get full from... ;) |
| 13:39 | * jwagner | is hungry now.... |
| 13:39 | jdavidb | (!) schuster, you triggered an idea. Could put my mix in a jar, ship that. just add liquids, mix, n bake. :) |
| 13:39 | kf | :) |
| 13:39 | * kf | likes that idea |
| 13:40 | kf | http://spedr.com/5vd9k <- cookie mixes in jars |
| 13:41 | jdavidb | I've done that with my recipe before, kf. it makes a nice gift for folks. |
| 13:42 | kf | im not good at cookies, I normally do cakes :) |
| 13:43 | jdavidb | I've also done it with my muffin mix; add milk, egg, and a banana... |
| 13:46 | * kf | is now hungry too |
| 13:50 | jdavidb | hm.. makes notes to self to remember to internationalize the recipe before making as gift for non-US-ians. |
| 13:53 | jwagner | Gotta head out for an appointment (and maybe a second breakfast :-) ) -- see you later. |
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| 14:03 | magnus_ | it's a good thing it's usually around dinner-time here by the time you US-ians start talking about cookies... |
| 14:04 | kf | :) |
| 14:04 | * sekjal | just remembered that he has a bunch of Easter cookies in the kitchen! |
| 14:04 | owen | The hazards of working from home... |
| 14:05 | sekjal | ::nom nom nom:: |
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| 14:33 | kf | hm http://spedr.com/47s8g - has no bug in bugzilla, but a patch was submitted. Does it make sense to add it to bugzilla too? its kind of a blocker, you cant use search functions when adding subscriptions. |
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| 14:34 | CGI904 | hi |
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| 14:48 | cm | hi #koha |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea_laptop | mornin |
| 14:49 | cm | i'm having a problem with facets on 3.2--they're only showing facets for the current page's results for me. can anyone else confirm this? |
| 14:50 | morning, wizzyrea_laptop. :) | |
| 14:50 | wizzyrea_laptop | :) |
| 14:50 | hdl_laptop | cm *sigh |
| 14:50 | hi | |
| 14:50 | cm | indeed! |
| 14:50 | hdl_laptop | It is not only 3.2 related |
| 14:51 | kf | cm: its not a bug, its how it is |
| 14:51 | cm | i could have sworn it was fixed. |
| 14:51 | kf | ok, pehaps it is a bug... :) |
| 14:51 | owen | Perhaps better called a compromise? |
| 14:51 | Is it performance-related? | |
| 14:51 | * owen | can't remember |
| 14:52 | hdl_laptop | Nope problem with zebra facets and diacritics |
| 14:52 | cm | i noticed it a while ago and thought we did something to break it on our test install, but we reverted to the original and it was still that way. :P |
| 14:52 | kf | hm I thought that ptfs had a bug for this with sponsored improvements, but not sure |
| 14:53 | hdl_laptop | cm: zebra facets are based on indexed data |
| 14:53 | And not on pure data | |
| 14:53 | cm | perhaps i'll do a fresh reindex just to be sure. |
| 14:53 | hdl_laptop | i.e. processed data from icu or charmaps |
| 14:53 | cm | cross your fingers! |
| 14:53 | jdavidb | kf: that's a new one on me, if so. jwagner might know something about that. |
| 14:54 | kf | perhaps im completely wrong, there is just something in the back of my mind ... hmm i hate this feeling |
| 14:55 | cm | i definitely know what you mean. |
| 14:59 | kf | ok, forget what I said, i will do some searching until I remember |
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| 15:04 | cm | i'm using marcxml, if that makes any difference. reindexing now. it'll be quite a while before it's done. |
| 15:04 | kf | found something: http://old.nabble.com/Xercode-[…]n-td27766418.html |
| 15:05 | but its not what I had in mind hm. | |
| 15:07 | juan | hi |
| 15:08 | I work in Xercode | |
| 15:08 | you can ask me something about our facets management | |
| 15:09 | but i think it is not what you are searching | |
| 15:10 | kf | I thought I read about planned improvements for facetted search somewhere |
| 15:11 | because the facets only show for the first page | |
| 15:13 | juan | we are investigating and testing pazpar2 in koha to generate facets to all the pages, not only for the first one |
| 15:15 | kf | it would be really nice to see facets working for all pages |
| 15:18 | cm | well, there's this: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3154 |
| 15:18 | munin | 04Bug 3154: major, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, OPAC Search refining by facets is wrong |
| 15:20 | cm | i could have sworn it included all results at one point, though. /me is feeling crazy. |
| 15:20 | slef | hi all |
| 15:20 | cm | hi slef |
| 15:21 | slef | I'm feeling crazy too. It's been a mad March for me. |
| 15:22 | cm | at least March is over. :) But isn't april the cruelest month? |
| 15:24 | slef | Would anyone be so kind as to remind me why we have frameworks? Some days it's the fundamental questions which stump me and http://koha.org/documentation/[…]raphic-frameworks doesn't really explain it. |
| 15:24 | aha, http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x3614#AEN3617 has a bit more, but still not a great answer | |
| 15:25 | owen | We use different frameworks so that different catalogers don't have to filter through tags which aren't relevant to the type of material they're working with |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea_laptop | I think at a basic level it's so we can define what shows in the OPAC records/what gets entered at cataloging time? |
| 15:25 | ^^ what owen said | |
| 15:26 | so say you have an ILL, and you don't want a big long record | |
| 15:26 | use the fast add framework | |
| 15:26 | owen | ^^ what wizzyrea_laptop said |
| 15:26 | cm | yep, that's how we use them too. |
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| 15:28 | slef | great, thanks. How does it affect OPAC records? |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea_laptop | brendan about? |
| 15:28 | slef | OPAC records display |
| 15:28 | owen | It doesn't |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea_laptop | oh, I thought it did. I misunderstood. |
| 15:28 | slef | I think this is a cataloguer question rather than one for us programmers, isn't it? I don't think I should answer "back to library school" to the client though ;-) |
| 15:29 | sorry for highlighting wizzyrea_laptop's misunderstanding :) | |
| 15:29 | cm | yeah, i don't think it's fully implemented for display. it just uses the default framework, IIRC. |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea_laptop | ah it's ok :) |
| 15:29 | we've been told lots of things that may or may not be true >.> | |
| 15:29 | <.< | |
| 15:29 | :) | |
| 15:29 | slef | and with my memory, I remember none of them! |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea_laptop | (along the way, that is. Not so much lately) |
| 15:30 | owen | What's a cataloguer question slef? The purpose of frameworks? |
| 15:30 | slef | yes |
| 15:31 | ok, I think this is final question: "Koha to MARC mapping - Define the mapping between the Koha transactional database (SQL) and the MARC Bibliographic records. Note that the mapping can be defined through MARC Bibliographic Framework." so can we define different Koha to MARC mappings for different frameworks? | |
| 15:32 | kf | hm |
| 15:32 | I always thought its the same everywhere when I change it - but did not test it | |
| 15:32 | I always use koha-to-marc-mapping page | |
| 15:34 | slef | so have we... I wonder if it will kill my cat if I do it the other way |
| 15:34 | chris_n | slef: cat eq catalog... I hope... ;) |
| 15:36 | * slef | tries on our test server... which I really shouldn't do because I don't think I've backed up the database recently |
| 15:38 | kf | slef: good luck .) |
| 15:38 | bye #koha | |
| 15:38 | cm | bye, kf. :) |
| 15:38 | * chris_n | encourages slef to back up at all costs |
| 15:39 | slef | Interesting in the online help "# Koha link : very important. Koha is multi-MARC compliant. [...] When the user want to search on "title", this link is used to find what is searched (245 if you're MARC21, 200 if you're UNIMARC)." |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea_laptop | bbl, gotta go do a presentation at KLA conference. |
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| 15:42 | slef | oh it's OK, I have a backup |
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| 15:48 | hdl_laptop | slef: you should not use a different mapping for different frameworks alsthough you could |
| 15:51 | slef | hdl_laptop: why should not? |
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| 15:59 | slef | I am wondering if it will help a library use MARC records from two different sources with koha fields in slightly different tag subfields. |
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| 16:00 | cm | what about zebra indexing? does that refer to the frameworks? |
| 16:01 | slef | that is my worry |
| 16:01 | cm | i bet it doesn't |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt | cm: no, there's no direct connection |
| 16:03 | getting indexing definitions stored in the database and generating Zebra config files from that | |
| 16:03 | would be a way to help tie them to the overall MARC framework structure | |
| 16:03 | slef | so basically we have no option except remapping MARC records as they come in to all follow the same mapping? |
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| 16:04 | slef | Is the "Koha is multi-MARC compliant" line in the online help still accurate? |
| 16:04 | gmcharlt | it's compliant in the sense that one Koha datbase could use UNIMARC, another MARC21, etc. |
| 16:04 | but not in the sense that vastly different MARC encodings could currently live in the same database | |
| 16:05 | at least not without rather a lot of hackery to get things consistently indexed | |
| 16:05 | cm | i think so. that's what we've been doing. i wish there was a pre-import templating system for the batch import tool to tell koha what data goes into which fields. |
| 16:05 | slef | Is that how people would understand "multi-MARC"? Sounds like we're claiming multiple MARCs in a Koha to me. |
| 16:06 | cm: I think we're pondering converting to MARCXML and using XSLT as one option. How do you do it? | |
| 16:07 | cm | on our dev_week install we have a preimport script that moves fields around and then imports them with bulkmarcimport. |
| 16:07 | i haven't quite decided how to do it yet on 3.2. | |
| 16:07 | gmcharlt | slef: dunno; certainly could reworded to give the correct info that Koha-the-software can support a variety of MARC formats, but not that Koha-a-particular-database-instance-thereof can |
| 16:07 | slef | cm: moving them around using MARC::* modules directly? |
| 16:07 | cm | most of our libraries get records from one or more vendors |
| 16:08 | lemme look. | |
| 16:08 | slef | cm: ta |
| 16:09 | cm | nope. we use the SimpleMARC pm that kyle wrote & included in koha-tools. |
| 16:10 | slef | ah, that might be worth a look... I know using MARC::* directly didn't look particularly elegant |
| 16:12 | cm | it works pretty well. he's updated it a bit for our upgrade to 3.2, but I don't know if he's committed that version to koha-tools yet. it's handy for moving stuff around. |
| 16:12 | if not, i can heckle him. :) | |
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| 16:14 | cm | looks like the version in the repo is 2 years old. i'll ask him to update it. |
| 16:14 | slef | Would it be good to link koha-tools from http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ ? |
| 16:15 | cm | yeah, possibly. but a lot of what's there is for dev_week. |
| 16:15 | slef | http://contribs.koha.org/ is till up and updated it seems |
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| 16:16 | wizzyrea_preso | hi peeps :) |
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| 16:16 | slef | hello wizzyrea_split_personality |
| 16:17 | joetho | just visiting! |
| 16:17 | slef | that's what they all say at first |
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| 16:20 | joetho | whew I will post a little vid of wizzyrea doing her lightningfast presentation a little later |
| 16:20 | I am on the front row of course, heh heh heh | |
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| 16:33 | slef | I was going to say that I was quite impressed with bambuser.com but joetho is gone. |
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| 16:53 | indradg | @wunder jaipur |
| 16:53 | munin | indradg: The current temperature in Jaipur, India is 33.0�C (10:00 PM IST on April 08, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:54 | schuster | Posting another bug dealing with lost books and returns... This may have to be on our development list to get cleaned up... ugly... |
| 16:54 | bug 4379 | |
| 16:54 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4379 trivial, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Lost item charged, but if returned not credited to patron |
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| 16:56 | jwagner | schuster, that's on more-or-less current head? |
| 16:56 | brendan | morning |
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| 17:00 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:00 | * jdavidb | waves and sends cookies to cait. |
| 17:00 | jwagner | hi cait |
| 17:01 | cait | hi and thx for the cookies :) |
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| 17:11 | cait | somone willing to help me find my error in zebra? I want to add a new index Record-control-number (short rcn). It think indexing worked, because I can find the titles in simple search, but not with my index name rcn: |
| 17:11 | this is what I did: http://pastebin.com/LjCfMWZj | |
| 17:15 | hm. | |
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| 17:27 | hdl_laptop | cait: I think what you are missing is bib1.att modification so that 1045 is linked with Record-control-number |
| 17:28 | (bib1.att used to be case-sensitive. I guess it isnot any longer.) | |
| 17:28 | cait: otherwise, you could just use | |
| 17:29 | http://pastebin.com/sSxvEhbt | |
| 17:29 | and you wouldnot even have to reindex. | |
| 17:29 | HTH | |
| 17:30 | cait | hi hdl_laptop |
| 17:30 | sorry, was in the kitchen, give me a minute | |
| 17:30 | I added this line to bib1.att: att 1045 Record-control-number | |
| 17:30 | its the last line in pastebin | |
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| 17:31 | hdl_laptop | is there no other att 1045 in bib1.att ? |
| 17:32 | cait | hm I saw none, but let me check to make sure |
| 17:32 | no | |
| 17:32 | do i need to restart zebrasrv to make it work? | |
| 17:33 | hdl_laptop | don't think so but at least reindex the whole stuff. |
| 17:34 | cait | I changed the file ccl.properties as you suggested, no difference, will reindex now |
| 17:34 | and thx for your help, i really need to solve this so I can continue with the next step | |
| 17:36 | any options I should use or is -b enough? | |
| 17:41 | hdl_laptop | -b -reset |
| 17:41 | cait | hdl_laptop: I reindexed with -b -r - but no change |
| 17:41 | hdl_laptop | what you could do is try and index 2 records. |
| 17:41 | directly with zebra | |
| 17:42 | cait | hdl_laptop: I search for 006869769 and get three results, which is corret, one in 001 and to in $w I added to my new index |
| 17:42 | hdl_laptop | and what do you have in your zebra logs, if you log your queries. |
| 17:42 | cait | i can search for Control-number:006... and find the one with 001 |
| 17:43 | can you tell me where those are? | |
| 17:43 | hdl_laptop | in logs koha-zebradaemon-output.log |
| 17:44 | usually your devinstall/var/log/koha-zebradeamon.... | |
| 17:44 | cait | ah, no, its not there |
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| 17:54 | cait | hdl_laptop: thx, I will try to redo everything from scratch und hope it will work in the end |
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| 18:32 | cm | i just finished reindexing. no change in the facets. still just the results for the current page. :( |
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| 18:56 | * jdavidb | finds all these wizzies very confusing. |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea_laptop | whoa no kidding |
| 18:57 | wtf is going on at my office lol | |
| 18:57 | cait | my zebra is stubborn :( |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea_laptop | have you tried spanking it? |
| 18:58 | cait | I would like to |
| 18:59 | I just want to add a new index :( | |
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| 19:29 | cait | hm it works now and I have no idea why :) |
| 19:30 | chris_n | @quote add cait: hm it works now and I have no idea why :) |
| 19:30 | munin | chris_n: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 19:31 | chris_n | yes munin |
| 19:31 | cait | hey :) |
| 19:32 | chris_n | well that stinks... |
| 19:33 | munin will not allow me to identify because my hostmask is wrong... and I can't add a hostmask because I'm not identified... | |
| 19:33 | munin | chris_n: Error: "will" is not a valid command. |
| 19:33 | * chris_n | hates tight-loops |
| 19:34 | * cait | shares one of jdavidb's cookies with chris_n |
| 19:35 | * chris_n | pours cait a glass of milk |
| 19:35 | cait | :) |
| 19:35 | * chris_n | has this vague idea that munin is related to zebra somehow ;) |
| 19:36 | * cait | nods |
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| 19:45 | chris | @quote add cait: hm it works now and I have no idea why :) |
| 19:45 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #71 added. |
| 19:46 | chris_n | thanks chris |
| 19:46 | chris | np |
| 19:46 | cait | chris! ;) |
| 19:57 | * chris | goes to catch his bus |
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| 20:24 | richard | hi |
| 20:27 | * magnus_away | goes offline |
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| 20:37 | chris | back |
| 20:51 | ebegin | chris, I'm happy to see that you are using identi.ca! |
| 20:51 | chris | gotta walk the walk if you are gonna talk the talk :-) |
| 20:52 | ebegin | :) |
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| 20:54 | * larsw | realizes that searching for "chris" is perhaps not the most effective way |
| 20:54 | chris | heh |
| 20:55 | where are you searching that? | |
| 20:55 | larsw | on identi.ca :) |
| 20:55 | chris | ahh http://identi.ca/ranginui/ |
| 20:55 | larsw | yup, found and subscribed |
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| 21:04 | cm | bye all! |
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| 21:06 | * larsw | looks at the cost analysis thread on koha@ and wonders if enough is being done for libraries to share catalog record data, instead of duplicating effort |
| 21:06 | chris | larsw: the answer is no really, biblios.net was a good initiative, but it kinda of withered |
| 21:06 | http://biblios.net/ | |
| 21:08 | larsw | I know nothing of library management but I assume some of the record data is shareable between libraries, but some is specific to each library |
| 21:09 | chris | there is a lot in library of congress |
| 21:09 | and the national libraries of most countires have lots of catalogue records | |
| 21:10 | basically in a marc record (marc21 anyway) everything except the item specific (barcode etc) data is sharable | |
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| 21:20 | mib_zq3jns | hi |
| 21:20 | cait | good night all :) |
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| 21:22 | mib_zq3jns | you know if someone is investigating Perl Template Toolkit ¿? |
| 21:22 | chris | yes |
| 21:22 | mib_zq3jns | im miguel of xercode |
| 21:22 | chris | have you looked at the rfc's for 3.4? |
| 21:23 | mib_zq3jns | yes |
| 21:23 | chris | its on the roadmap for 3.4 |
| 21:23 | and ive already done some work on it | |
| 21:23 | mib_zq3jns | oh |
| 21:23 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]velopment:rfcs3.4 |
| 21:24 | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]fs/heads/template | |
| 21:24 | but my current focus (as should everyones be) is getting bugs fixed so we can release 3.2 | |
| 21:24 | before we start creating new bugs :) | |
| 21:26 | mib_zq3jns | so do we, but we are interested in the multilingual |
| 21:27 | it is impossible to maintain multiple language | |
| 21:27 | chris | oh? |
| 21:27 | others have managed with the .po files | |
| 21:27 | mib_zq3jns | puff |
| 21:27 | chris | with 3.4 we will still be using .po |
| 21:28 | mib_zq3jns | yes ¿? |
| 21:28 | chris | the french guys have been running multilingual for years |
| 21:29 | on the fly translation is slow, prerendered templates will always outperform that | |
| 21:29 | mib_zq3jns | but ... I believe we should take advantage of this development |
| 21:30 | chris | sure, if you can make it work fast :) |
| 21:31 | mib_zq3jns | any major programming language used. po |
| 21:31 | chris | yes, koha uses .po |
| 21:31 | pretty much all of linux uses .po | |
| 21:31 | mib_zq3jns | :D |
| 21:33 | nd I think they should take to correct relative paths | |
| 21:33 | chris | like i say, if you can make it work fast on the fly, go for it :) |
| 21:33 | last time i tried it was a significant performance decrease | |
| 21:35 | mib_zq3jns | significant performance decrease = mod_perl |
| 21:35 | chris | mod_perl is certainly an option |
| 21:36 | it does tie koha hard to apache tho | |
| 21:36 | and currently you can run it with any webserver | |
| 21:36 | nginx + fast_cgi would be my option | |
| 21:37 | so as long as when we add mod_perl we dont stop it being able to work without mod_perl that would be ok | |
| 21:37 | mib_zq3jns | nginx ¿? |
| 21:37 | chris | super fast webserver |
| 21:37 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx | |
| 21:39 | mib_zq3jns | do you any test of this ? |
| 21:40 | chris | we run nginx at work |
| 21:40 | but i havent had time to try nginx + fast cgi and koha yet | |
| 21:40 | its on my list | |
| 21:40 | i know that nginx is about 1000 times faster than apache to serve | |
| 21:40 | (or maybe it just feels that way ;)) | |
| 21:40 | at least for the sites we use it on | |
| 21:41 | mib_zq3jns | we tested perlRun |
| 21:41 | but fail in Zoom library | |
| 21:41 | chris | yeah |
| 21:42 | mib_zq3jns | we send an email to indexdata but nothing |
| 21:43 | sometimes returns no results, but if you press F5 ... yes | |
| 21:43 | chris | yeah we would have to probably do some work on that module |
| 21:44 | and send patches | |
| 21:45 | or it may be just that we need to change our koha code | |
| 21:45 | so we clean up | |
| 21:45 | ie destroy connections | |
| 21:45 | once you start persisting objects, you need to be much more careful about that | |
| 21:46 | mib_zq3jns | anyway, our main objective is to create the facets with pazpar2 |
| 21:46 | chris | cool |
| 21:47 | you should talk with gmcharlt about that | |
| 21:47 | a rewrite of C4::Search is planned for 3.4 and he is interested in that | |
| 21:47 | mib_zq3jns | i talk with Damien Henri |
| 21:48 | but itś very difficult road | |
| 21:49 | chris | well gmcharlt is going to be the main person for the search rewrite, so i would definitely talk to him too |
| 21:49 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 21:49 | mib_zq3jns | the Zebra facets not advanced |
| 21:49 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 21:51 | mib_zq3jns | We can arrange a date for these developments, in Spain is a little late, and this issue requires attention |
| 21:51 | :P | |
| 21:52 | if you pleased, of course | |
| 21:53 | chris | maybe send a mail to koha-devel suggesting a time |
| 21:53 | and people can respond to that | |
| 21:58 | mib_zq3jns | then about the Perl Template Toolkit, does not include multi language and not relative paths neither |
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| 22:13 | gmcharlt | mib_zq3jns: well, HTML::Template::Pro doesn't include explicit multi-language support either, but we've been able to work around that |
| 22:14 | richard | chris: this might need updating -> http://nzoss.org.nz/projects |
| 22:14 | see koha | |
| 22:16 | gmlcharlt: in koha3.2 when you have independant branches on, do each of branches need to have the same system preferences (loan lengths, fines etc)? | |
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| 22:17 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 22:17 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 22.2�C (2:50 PM PDT on April 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:17 | brendan | can you beat me chris? |
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| 22:37 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 22:38 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 25.7�C (6:36 PM EDT on April 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:39 | gmcharlt | richard: system preferences are still global, even with indy branches |
| 22:39 | richard | thought so. thanks |
| 22:40 | gmcharlt | richard: things like circ policy matrixes are keyed to the branch, though, and several settings have been mvoed to the matrix level that used to be global sysprefs |
| 22:41 | richard | that sounds very cool |
| 22:42 | just had a query from someone wanting to set up a consortium and was wondering if it would be better to tell them to wait for 3.2 | |
| 22:44 | seems to be the way to go | |
| 22:46 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 22:46 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 10.9�C (5:47 PM CDT on April 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising). |
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