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| 00:11 | chris_n | heya mason |
| 00:12 | mason | arent you sposed to be outside! |
| 00:12 | * mason | wags finger in a stern manner |
| 00:13 | mason | altho its prolly getting dark now, for you.. |
| 00:14 | chris_n | yup, but it was nice for awhile :) |
| 00:15 | mason | we have gale-winds over here :/ |
| 00:15 | * chris_n | hands mason a kite ;) |
| 00:15 | mason | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]es-hit-Wellington |
| 00:16 | we only *just* landed in wellington, nz on monday | |
| 00:16 | chris_n | wow, 130kmh |
| 00:16 | mason | ... before the airport got closed |
| 00:17 | the pilots got 3 rounds of applause ;) | |
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| 00:18 | * mason | had his seat firmly in the upright position |
| 00:18 | * chris_n | would rather be on the ground when it gets that windy down low |
| 00:18 | chris_n | vertical_wind_shear-- |
| 00:19 | though we get them all the time here | |
| 00:19 | and some buildings don't survive | |
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| 01:32 | chris_n | g'night #koha |
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| 06:18 | Nouman | hi all |
| 06:18 | I want to add more virtual shelves in koha, How can I add | |
| 06:19 | there are some samples values in virtual shelves, which are present after installation | |
| 06:20 | I want to add values in virtual shelve how can I add | |
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| 06:25 | IrmaCalyx | Hi #Koha |
| 06:25 | Nouman | ? |
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| 06:26 | Nouman | I want to add some shelves. How can I add |
| 06:26 | there are some samples values which are present right from installation | |
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| 06:34 | Nouman | is any one there? |
| 06:46 | ?? | |
| 06:56 | what is the difference b/w authorized values and item types | |
| 07:01 | chris | you should read the manual, the answers to those questions are in there |
| 07:01 | Nouman | I read but not getting |
| 07:01 | chris | i cant explain it better than the manual |
| 07:02 | Ropuch | Hi chris |
| 07:02 | Nouman | mean I want to ask which one is performing function for shleves |
| 07:02 | authorized values or item types | |
| 07:02 | chris | neither |
| 07:03 | Nouman | I want to create different shelves for different subjects. just like religion, philosophy |
| 07:04 | chris | yep, you just name them something like that and add items to it |
| 07:04 | Nouman | and want to keep each and every book in different shleve |
| 07:04 | Ropuch | Hm |
| 07:04 | Nouman: I have the feeling that you're mixing virtual shelves with location | |
| 07:04 | Nouman | mean? |
| 07:05 | I read Lists, loc and authorized values but not getting yet | |
| 07:05 | Ropuch | Virtual shelves - "Lists" are just what they're named |
| 07:05 | LITS | |
| 07:05 | uh | |
| 07:05 | There's no point to have "each and every book" on different list | |
| 07:06 | If you want to "divide" your books into categories: reiglion, philosophy, economy, whatever | |
| 07:06 | Use Location | |
| 07:06 | Nouman | Yeah exactly |
| 07:06 | mean authorized value | |
| 07:07 | ? | |
| 07:07 | Ropuch | Yup, Category Location |
| 07:07 | Nouman | then what is the list |
| 07:07 | is it favourites? | |
| 07:07 | of individual patron | |
| 07:07 | Ropuch | Kinda |
| 07:08 | There's 3 types of lists: open, public and private | |
| 07:08 | I think Lists were named virtual shelves before | |
| 07:08 | Nouman | how can I see all books placed in one loc like (eg: philosophy) |
| 07:09 | I read it all open,public private... but what is the exact purpose of virtual shelve...Im still confuse | |
| 07:10 | Ropuch | Let's call list a list and forget the "virtual shelves" |
| 07:10 | In the there is an option to "Browse Shelf" | |
| 07:11 | Its showing the books with same "Location" | |
| 07:11 | Nouman | browse shelf? |
| 07:12 | Ropuch | http://195.254.156.179/cgi-bin[…]?biblionumber=601 |
| 07:12 | See the "Browse Shelf link"? | |
| 07:12 | I believe it has to be enabled in sysprefs | |
| 07:13 | But to see all the books with Location=Philosophy | |
| 07:13 | Hm | |
| 07:13 | Nouman | ok thanks |
| 07:13 | what is mean of Hold? | |
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| 07:14 | Ropuch | Nouman: in which context? |
| 07:15 | Nouman | if some one is want to hold book mean he is requesting for that book to staff |
| 07:15 | is it? | |
| 07:15 | Ropuch | http://lu.com/odlis/odlis_H.cfm# |
| 07:15 | When a book or other item is currently on loan, most libraries permit another borrower to place a "hold" on it by contacting the circulation desk. The patron who has the item checked out will not be permitted to renew it, and the person placing the "hold" will be entitled to check it out after it has been returned. Some online catalogs include a feature that allows the user to place an item on hold without staff assistance. | |
| 07:16 | odlis is good place to check if you're unsure with some library related words [; | |
| 07:17 | Nouman | ok thanks |
| 07:17 | sorry to say, I want to ask another Question | |
| 07:17 | Ropuch | It's no problem :) |
| 07:18 | Nouman | 'browse shelve' show the books of all in shelve loc |
| 07:18 | orl lists | |
| 07:20 | Ropuch | It shows adjacent boks with the same LOCation value |
| 07:20 | Nouman | mean shelve loc |
| 07:20 | ? | |
| 07:21 | Ropuch | Yes |
| 07:22 | Nouman | is it possible from opac, that he can view the different LOC valye |
| 07:22 | Location Values in library | |
| 07:23 | Ropuch | Hm |
| 07:23 | It should be possible | |
| 07:23 | Does your call number consists of loc value? | |
| 07:25 | Nouman | I dont know ? |
| 07:25 | how can I see it | |
| 07:37 | Ropuch | What your call number looks like? |
| 07:41 | Nouman | Im not getting |
| 07:46 | Im not getting call no | |
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| 08:11 | crackjack | hello all |
| 08:11 | I have a problem in KOHA records and items | |
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| 08:12 | crackjack | while importing data from MARC -- converted form ISO, it makes record for each data |
| 08:13 | with no items in it | |
| 08:13 | but what I need is that, the record must contain 1 item with the accession number as the barcode of the item | |
| 08:13 | is this possible? | |
| 08:16 | chris | item data is stored in the 952 field in MARC for koha |
| 08:16 | you could use something like marcedit to add those to your MARC file then import | |
| 08:17 | crackjack | ok |
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| 08:17 | crackjack | does that mean that I use accession number in iso and use field 952 for the barcode? |
| 08:18 | chris | 952 subfield p is where the barcode goes |
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| 08:21 | braedon|home | anyone here good at coming up with software project code-names, or resultant "product" names? |
| 08:22 | chris | im a fan of names that have nothing to do with the project, i hate descriptive names |
| 08:22 | or worse acronyms | |
| 08:22 | braedon|home | even recursive acronyms? |
| 08:22 | chris | well the original one is good :) |
| 08:23 | braedon|home | i agree for codenames |
| 08:23 | chris | i like ones like apache, firefox etc |
| 08:23 | braedon|home | but not for product names |
| 08:23 | not that i would only take descriptive product names :P | |
| 08:24 | my last uni project was codenamed articuno. we never came up with a product name | |
| 08:25 | (not that it was really required for a uni project, but it was a little strange calling it articuno in the final report) | |
| 08:26 | chris | i dunno, some of the most succesful products are non descriptive codenames |
| 08:27 | braedon|home | how do you feel about geek referential names? :P |
| 08:27 | chris | depends entirely on who your target audience is |
| 08:28 | braedon|home | do you prefer no one gets it, to preserve the illusion of non description, or that everyone does? |
| 08:28 | chris | people can know what it is, without the name saying it |
| 08:28 | i know a prius is a car | |
| 08:29 | its not called electric-petrol-hybrid car | |
| 08:29 | braedon|home | haha |
| 08:30 | well, i'm not about to call it "peer-to-peer-extended-web-cache", don't worry :) | |
| 08:30 | chris | :) |
| 08:30 | braedon|home | and i don't think PTPEWC is a acceptable acronym |
| 08:30 | chris | i think the main thing is a name that isnt already in use |
| 08:30 | braedon|home | yah |
| 08:31 | chris | and then the byline is the next most important |
| 08:32 | braedon|home | the only idea i have had so far was "twine"(vaguely descriptive), influenced by one of the research systems ours will be partially drawing from, and from "philotic twining" in enders game |
| 08:32 | chris | :) |
| 08:33 | braedon|home | but, alas, there is a web service of some kind using it |
| 08:33 | chris | yeah |
| 08:33 | braedon|home | now i can't break away from the enders game reference idea |
| 08:34 | * braedon|home | curses his one track mind |
| 08:34 | chris | twixt |
| 08:34 | braedon|home | (someone would probably try to sue me if i called it "Ansible") |
| 08:35 | chris | ah darn, thats in use too (a board game) |
| 08:35 | braedon|home | ya |
| 08:35 | go wikipedia | |
| 08:35 | chris | betwixt and between i was thinking :) |
| 08:35 | braedon|home | (or rather damn it for removing ignorance as a defence) |
| 08:36 | chris | :) |
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| 08:38 | braedon|home | http://www.codenamegenerator.com/ lets try this - i need a codename urgently so i can create a repository |
| 08:42 | TINARA.D | |
| 08:42 | chris | heh |
| 08:42 | braedon|home | TINARA.D Is Not A Recursive Acronym. Damn |
| 08:43 | * braedon|home | is useless at this |
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| 09:02 | braedon|home | chris: my flatmate just suggested twinelight :) |
| 09:04 | so tempted.... | |
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| 11:21 | crackjack | hello all |
| 11:22 | how can I change the dafault currency to my country's currency | |
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| 11:35 | crackjack | how can I change the dafault currency to my country's currency |
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| 11:35 | crackjack | how can I change the dafault currency to my country's currency |
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| 11:45 | * jdavidb | goes "harrumph!" |
| 11:45 | * jwagner_meeting | says "that's MY line!" |
| 11:45 | jwagner_meeting is now known as jwagner | |
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| 12:02 | jdavidb | @wunder 20817 |
| 12:02 | munin` | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 7.3�C (8:01 AM EDT on March 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:07 | chris_n | long meeting jwagner ;) |
| 12:07 | @wunder 28334 | |
| 12:08 | munin` | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 7.6�C (8:06 AM EDT on March 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). |
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| 12:20 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 12:20 | munin` | jdavidb: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 12:18 PM, August 06, 2009) |
| 12:21 | kf | chris: wow |
| 12:30 | jwagner | chris_n, those meetings do drag on.... |
| 12:33 | chris_n | heh |
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| 12:45 | jdavidb | Here's a patron-search thing...when searching for a patron by name, you have to specify the first part of the surname. "Brown" will find John Brown, but not Jane Smith-Brown. I see how that's done in C4::Members::SearchMember--surname LIKE $searchstring%. |
| 12:46 | One of our customers is suggesting that it work like so: surname LIKE %$searchstring% | |
| 12:46 | Thoughts from anyone on that? | |
| 12:48 | owen | jdavidb: I notice in our production version, 3.01.00.061, a search for "van" will return firstname "vanessa", surname "van dyke" and surname "vandyke" |
| 12:49 | That's certainly how I would expect it to behave--but doesn't sound like the behavior you're seeing | |
| 12:49 | jdavidb | Ours is doing that too. But I bet it won't find Jane Thompson-Vandyke |
| 12:50 | In the advanced-search method that is most-used, it's searching for surname or firstname or othernames LIKE <foo>% or % <foo>%. (note that space in the second.) | |
| 12:50 | owen | Oh, because "van" is at the beginning of my results |
| 12:50 | jdavidb | got it. |
| 12:51 | But I don't want "smith" to return Jerry Oversmith, so LIKE %<foo>% is probably a bad idea. | |
| 12:52 | I'm thinking add another OR to look for %-$searchstring%, to explicitly handle hyphenated names. | |
| 12:52 | owen | Right, a search for "ivan" doesn't return "sullivan" but it returns "Ivankovic" |
| 12:53 | I wonder if we're looking for a technical solution to a meatspace problem: "Hey lady, what's your last name?" | |
| 12:55 | jdavidb | I've known some women who were tetchy about that sort of thing, so I'm hoping to user-proof the interface here. The way it's coded, you can enter "Steuben" and get "Von Steuben" but not "Von-Steuben". |
| 12:58 | owen | I guess if it's intelligently interpreting the space it makes sense to extend that to the hyphen |
| 12:58 | (I wonder if our French colleagues have this problem) | |
| 12:58 | * jdavidb | pings France. |
| 12:59 | jdavidb | Would it be useful to make that a regexp, to ignore punctuation appearing prior to the entered term, in all cases? |
| 12:59 | so that Angelo would return D'Angelo? | |
| 13:02 | surname REGEXP '[:punct:]$searchstring' , in other words. | |
| 13:05 | hdl_laptop | hi jdavidb |
| 13:05 | jdavidb | howdy, hdl_laptop. :) |
| 13:05 | hdl_laptop | good. |
| 13:05 | longing to see your patch for multiple reserves ;) | |
| 13:06 | jdavidb: depending on your icu configuration but I guess this is already done. | |
| 13:06 | jdavidb | :) So jwagner was telling me. I'm trying to kill some support tickets, and get that out to you soon. Things have been a little crazy. |
| 13:07 | How does icu configuration affect patron search in circulation? (Lordy, have I missed out on something *that* huge?) | |
| 13:07 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb |
| 13:08 | For us this would not be quite we want. | |
| 13:08 | jdavidb | Okay. What would work, that wouldn't break things for y'all? |
| 13:09 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: I had not read the logs before speaking of icu |
| 13:09 | jdavidb | :P oh. whew! |
| 13:13 | hdl_laptop | we were asked to search only on field start with and not word start with. But I also guess ppl hadnot thought about those compound names such as d'anglesy or Laurent-Vauclare |
| 13:13 | jdavidb | I'd like to get at the post-punctuation part of punctuated last names, but don't want to break things for others--changing the LIKE % $search% to REGEXP '[[:punct:][:space:]]$search' would do what I want, I think. |
| 13:15 | hdl_laptop | I think this would be ok. |
| 13:15 | In performance terms, how does regexp compres with Like ? | |
| 13:16 | jdavidb | Ick. A quick Google search points out that LIKE is much, much faster. |
| 13:21 | It'd be cheaper to add another LIKE to look for the hyphen, than to change the LIKE-space to REGEXP. | |
| 13:26 | hdl_laptop: take a look here: http://www.introsites.co.uk/su[…]rch-solution.html he combined a more-general LIKE with REGEXP to get the precision they want, without the huge speed sacrifice of just REGEXP. | |
| 13:28 | mysql apparently does the LIKE first, then REGEXPs against what's left in the set. I'll experiment with that approach, and see how it goes. | |
| 13:38 | hm...is it worth saving 3/100 of a second, on a db of 34,000-ish patrons..? | |
| 13:39 | * chris_n | notes that YUI3 has depricated CSS Grids |
| 13:39 | chris_n | deprecated even |
| 13:43 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: 3/100 no. But REGEX only compared to LIKE with regexp went from 6 seconds down to .2 |
| 13:43 | say .3 | |
| 13:43 | thats a factor 20 | |
| 13:45 | jdavidb | The like-with-regexp returns the same result for me as the just-regexp version, too. Sounds like it'll be worth it to do it that way. |
| 13:45 | owen | chris_n: Deprecated them? As in, no more YUI Grids? |
| 13:46 | jdavidb | For smaller DBs, won't make a *huge* difference, in truth, but it could, for big ones. |
| 13:46 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb++ |
| 13:46 | jdavidb | :) Thanks, hdl_laptop! |
| 13:47 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: don't forget me... please :D |
| 13:47 | jdavidb | I won't! :) |
| 13:48 | chris_n | owen: it sort of sounds like they are going to roll out entirely new CSS grids: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/3/cssgrids/ |
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| 13:49 | * chris_n | imagines a script which will generate n rows of valid random bibs/patrons/etc to be used to create various sized dbs for performance testing |
| 13:49 | owen | An upgrade to YUI3 would be a pain in the ass in general. |
| 13:50 | ...but I haven't found CSS Grid system I like better than YUI for the kind of thing we do | |
| 13:50 | Lots and lots of good CSS Grid systems for exclusively fixed-width designs, few with flexible options | |
| 13:53 | * owen | questions the wisdom of releasing YUI3 without a Grids component while promising to put it back later |
| 13:53 | imagines releasing Koha 4.2 without a cataloging module because we decided to rewrite it for 4.6 | |
| 13:55 | jwagner | owen, sounds like a plan to me :-) |
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| 14:02 | chris_n | owen: lol |
| 14:02 | yeah, I thought grids was most of the point of yui | |
| 14:03 | owen | This is actually just another piece of evidence that the YUI people don't care about grids. |
| 14:03 | I've asked questions about grids on the YUI forum and not gotten a single response. | |
| 14:03 | chris_n | I'm working on a small in-house app and was going to use yui3, but will probably fall back to 2 now |
| 14:03 | owen | Whereas I've asked questions about Javascript and gotten a response right away: RTFM! |
| 14:04 | * owen | uses YUI only while holding his nose |
| 14:04 | chris_n | I've asked questions on their irc channel and had about the same level of response there |
| 14:04 | * chris_n | looks around for his cloths pin |
| 14:05 | * jwagner | says "On the Internet, no one can see you hold your nose" |
| 14:05 | Ropuch | Hello #koha |
| 14:05 | owen | I'm encouraged by yesterday's release of the latest version of jquery-ui. I would replace much of our YUI widgets with jquery ones if I could |
| 14:06 | For instance, new in jquery-ui 1.8: http://jqueryui.com/demos/button/ | |
| 14:08 | chris_n | nice |
| 14:12 | owen | No built-in menu handling like YUI has with their button widget though. |
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| 14:35 | wizzyrea_home | question for the international folks |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea_home is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | do you have a translation engine of choice for automagic translations? |
| 14:39 | bgkriegel | wizzyrea: no. We use to "tune" a po file, then feed it to google or another program to translate, but the results are not good. There are many word that translate differently depending on context. But could be a starting point. |
| 14:40 | * wizzyrea | is looking at automagic translations for the koha-community site |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | so you were using google |
| 14:40 | bgkriegel | at the very beginning |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | my options are: google translation services, promp online translator, altavista babel fish, freeTranslator |
| 14:41 | promt | |
| 14:41 | bgkriegel | we use this, and all online dictionaries |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/MGM3NjI1N |
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| 14:48 | wizzyrea | can somebody who speaks/reads one of those languages check how well it works? |
| 14:48 | i know it probably suffers from the context recognition problems that all online translators do, but it's better than nothing, right? | |
| 14:49 | bgkriegel | It's a good starting point :) |
| 14:49 | Ropuch | wizzyrea++ |
| 14:50 | Translation are clumsy, but - as bgkriegel said - it's good starting point :) | |
| 14:50 | wizzyrea | yay! ok thanks very much for looking at it. We can pick a different translation engine if someone knows of one that's better than google |
| 14:51 | Ropuch | wizzyrea: i think thoe automated putput is pretty much the same |
| 14:51 | You're able to grab "what the hell is that page about", but that's all ;> | |
| 14:51 | *the aoutomated output | |
| 14:51 | ugh | |
| 14:51 | I'm tired ;> | |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | yea, that's been my experience with the automated translations |
| 14:52 | if you're feeling perky you can get a little out of it anyway | |
| 14:53 | I think I want to put the translation flags in the footer though | |
| 14:56 | Ropuch | Yup - it's good to have them anyway :) |
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| 15:00 | chris_n | gmcharlt: *snap* :) |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 15:02 | * chris_n | can't type fast enough |
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| 15:19 | wizzyrea | ok, the oracle at google is failing me: I have a connection to a remote mysql server, I want to pull the results of a query back to my local machine as CSV... can it be done? I've tried INTO OUTFILE but that puts it on the remote server |
| 15:20 | (yea, i've got the terminated by and enclosed by bits in there as well to make it CSV) | |
| 15:20 | (but getting the output local is what I really need) | |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: if you're using the mysql client, you can just pipe into a file |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | like, do a mysql -e > myfile? |
| 15:22 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | der |
| 15:22 | th | |
| 15:22 | ank you | |
| 15:22 | I think I've only had chocolate and coffee since yesterday noon | |
| 15:23 | which I'm sure to some seems like the perfect day | |
| 15:23 | but it does lend itself to not thinking properly | |
| 15:23 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea_wired: quick! type! faster! |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 15:25 | kf | hm, I think we have a problem with grace periods and intervals > 1 - when invervall is 7 , first charge is seven days after due date. In my opinion it should be the day after grace period ended - but I think this might be not what all libraries expect? |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | gold star gmcharlt. Don't you like it when it's an ez question? |
| 15:26 | gmcharlt | indeed I do :) |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | kf: i think that's what I would expect |
| 15:27 | kf | wizzyrea: so im not alone :) |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | no fines until I was a week overduye |
| 15:27 | overdue, even | |
| 15:27 | kf | ah ok |
| 15:27 | hm | |
| 15:27 | perhaps its because we are used to different behaviour | |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | I mean, that's the definition of "grace period" where I come from anyway |
| 15:28 | kf | our other liberaries (not koha) charge weekly in this state |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | AH |
| 15:28 | kf | they have grace periods from 0 - 7, often 2 |
| 15:28 | days | |
| 15:28 | so you have a little more time to give the book back and then you get the first charge, a week later the second... | |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea | so you are setting your fining interval at 7 days, the fines accrue every 7 days |
| 15:29 | kf | but 7 days is too long for most |
| 15:29 | yes | |
| 15:29 | but if I do that - grace period is irrelevant | |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea | and you want the first week free? |
| 15:29 | kf | no |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea | right |
| 15:29 | ok, so yea, you wouldn't set the grace at all in that case | |
| 15:29 | I think | |
| 15:30 | because the first fines wouldn't be charged until the end of the 1st week | |
| 15:30 | its like a built in grace period | |
| 15:30 | kf | I would prefer: day_after_due_date = first_fine_date and seven days later second fine |
| 15:30 | hdl_laptop | I think that we fixed that on a dev branch |
| 15:30 | kf | harrumph g |
| 15:31 | hdl_laptop: can I take a look at it? | |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | then yea, it doesn't work how you want it to |
| 15:31 | hdl_laptop | - WHERE date_due < CURDATE() |
| 15:31 | + WHERE DATE(date_due) < CURDATE() | |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | which I'm sure you're like "well duh, I told you that" |
| 15:31 | :) | |
| 15:31 | hdl_laptop | try this in GetOverdues |
| 15:32 | kf | wizzyrea: yes, I knew, but I was not sure if its intended to work like that or a bug |
| 15:33 | hdl_laptop: not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but this seems to solve something else I noticed | |
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| 15:46 | juan-xercode | hi community |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt is now known as community | |
| 15:46 | * community | waves at juan-xercode |
| 15:46 | community is now known as gmcharlt | |
| 15:46 | * gmcharlt | stops being meglomaniac ;) |
| 15:47 | juan-xercode | :) |
| 15:47 | i got a question | |
| 15:47 | about apache proxy ... | |
| 15:47 | to serve several koha installations with only one domai | |
| 15:47 | domain | |
| 15:48 | i want to do this stuff | |
| 15:48 | www.domain.com/koha1 -> goes to koha1 installation | |
| 15:48 | www.domain.com/koha2 -> goes to koha2 installation | |
| 15:49 | i put this on other type of software and it works perfectly, but not in koha | |
| 15:49 | gmcharlt | juan-xercode: if you can, it's easier to using subdomains and do koha1.domain.com, koha2.domain.com, etc. |
| 15:49 | juan-xercode | yes, |
| 15:49 | at this time i have it working with subdomains | |
| 15:50 | and several koha installations under por 81, 82 ... | |
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| 15:58 | wizzyrea | i guess he gave up |
| 15:58 | kf | me too... |
| 15:58 | hm, not really | |
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| 16:11 | wizzyrea | erg |
| 16:11 | * jdavidb | hands wizzyrea the duct tape |
| 16:19 | wizzyrea | I apple-w'd on the wrong window |
| 16:20 | jdavidb | "Then don't do that," the doctor said... |
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| 16:27 | wizzyrea | hi nicomo |
| 16:28 | this is on koha-community.org, using google translator, what do you think? http://screencast.com/t/Yzk2ZDFk | |
| 16:28 | hdl_laptop | wizzyrea: just read it. And...; Well, it is ggl translate. |
| 16:28 | Better than nothing | |
| 16:28 | And quite cool | |
| 16:28 | wizzyrea | is there something better that we should be using? |
| 16:29 | (besides humans, of course) | |
| 16:29 | is that an ok location on the page for the translations? | |
| 16:29 | i'm having a web design waffle moment | |
| 16:30 | * jdavidb | hands wizzyrea the butter and syrup. |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | mmm tasty waffle |
| 16:35 | chris_n | wizzyrea: Belgian? |
| 16:37 | hdl_laptop | wizzyrea: not that I know of |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | man I make killer waffles with apricot beer |
| 16:40 | come to kansas some day and I'll make them for you | |
| 16:40 | well any fruit beer really | |
| 16:40 | we made some pretty good waffles with (terrible to drink) pumpkin beer | |
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| 17:13 | * chris_n | feels sorry for those with no zebra |
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| 17:19 | jdavidb | chris_n++ # "many sorrows..." |
| 17:25 | kf | ok, time to leave :) |
| 17:26 | bye #koha | |
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| 17:33 | juan-xercode | sorry gmcharlt, i loose my internet connection |
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| 18:12 | acj4296 | does anyone know if there is a way to batch search a list of ISBN numbers in Koha? |
| 18:13 | owen | For what purpose acj4296? |
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| 18:15 | acj4296 | i have a list of 450 books that i'd like to see if we have and am looking to avoid searching title by title. |
| 18:15 | owen | acj4296: Can you query mysql directly? |
| 18:17 | acj4296 | owen: i could try, but my sql is quite terrible. |
| 18:17 | chris_n | owen: what attribute controls the color a link turns when hovered over? |
| 18:18 | owen | a:hover |
| 18:18 | chris_n | tnx |
| 18:19 | owen | chris_n: Extra tip: It is recommended to declare link colors in a specific order. a:link {}, a:visited {}, a:hover {}, a:active {} |
| 18:19 | chris_n | ahh, will do |
| 18:19 | owen | ...because of precedence issues |
| 18:19 | (which I've never encountered myself, but I'm dutiful) | |
| 18:24 | Sorry acj4296 I don't know what to suggest | |
| 18:24 | acj4296 | thanks |
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| 18:31 | cait | hi #koha |
| 18:36 | jwagner | hi cait |
| 18:36 | cait | hi jwagner |
| 18:37 | hm learning math for exam on friday or work on xslt files? | |
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| 18:38 | jwagner | cait, I'd say None of the Above :-) |
| 18:41 | cait | hm |
| 18:41 | thats my problem | |
| 18:53 | chris_n | cait: learning the math will go quicker ;) |
| 18:53 | and be less frustrating | |
| 18:54 | cait | chris_n: not sure |
| 18:57 | math can be very frustrating too | |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea | here cait |
| 18:58 | http://feeds.seriouseats.com/~[…]pies-winners.html | |
| 18:59 | this will make you feel math-ier | |
| 19:02 | cait | hm cake... :) |
| 19:02 | it makes me hungrier :) | |
| 19:03 | jdavidb | Math is delicious! http://www.topatoco.com/mercha[…]&Category_Code=QC |
| 19:06 | cait | :) |
| 19:06 | * chris_n | will trade math work for xslt work :) |
| 19:11 | cait | :) |
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| 19:26 | richard | hi |
| 19:27 | chris | morning |
| 19:27 | richard | hi chris |
| 19:32 | cait | hi chris |
| 19:33 | chris | heya cait, did you see this? http://koha-community.org/ada-lovelace-day/ |
| 19:35 | cait | chris: yes, I was really surprised! |
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| 19:36 | jwagner | Me too! But honored by the company :-) |
| 19:38 | cait | yes - great company :) |
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| 19:39 | chris | hopefully we have even more to list next year :) |
| 19:39 | jwagner: use it for your performance review ;-) | |
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| 19:41 | jwagner | chris, THERE'S a thought! But I just had mine last month, so it would have to wait for a year.... |
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| 19:44 | chris | ahh :) |
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| 19:46 | cait | performance review? |
| 19:47 | chris_n | nice chris |
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| 19:47 | jwagner | cait, yearly review of how well an employee has done the job -- identify problem areas, areas for personal development. Also used as input for pay raises :-) |
| 19:47 | cait | ah |
| 19:48 | thx! :) | |
| 19:48 | jwagner | Gotta run, see you all tomorrow. |
| 19:48 | cait | bye jwagner |
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| 19:51 | rhcl | so cait, what area of math are you studying? I've recently developed an interest in statistics |
| 19:53 | chris | ohh thats not math |
| 19:53 | cait | distance study computer science - so not really math, its the first course, its about logic, I dont know all the english terms |
| 19:54 | chris | says the math major ;) |
| 19:54 | rhcl | ic |
| 19:54 | chris | you want to get into pure maths, set notation, group theory ... thats the fun stuff |
| 19:54 | * chris | is biased of course |
| 19:55 | rhcl | I had elementary stats way back when, and found it mildly interesting, but not enough to per sue after that. |
| 19:55 | cait | I like graph theory - does that count? started to explain something yesterday with: imagine it is a graph... this course really changes something in your mind |
| 19:55 | chris | graphy theory is fun too |
| 19:55 | rhcl | But my last couple of grad classes in stats were really interesting. |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | what is it they say... there are lies, damn lies, and statistics? |
| 19:56 | rhcl | graph theory? Is that like matrix math? |
| 19:56 | chris | matrix, lists |
| 19:56 | its the basis of a lot of computer science | |
| 19:57 | rhcl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M[…]%28mathematics%29 |
| 19:57 | chris | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M[…]ics)#Graph_theory |
| 19:57 | * chris_n | wrote a program in pascal once to solve simultaneous equations using matrices |
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| 19:58 | rhcl | chris_n: interesting |
| 19:59 | Anybody use R? http://www.r-project.org/ | |
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| 20:00 | cait | uh http://techblog.wikimedia.org/[…]-failure-and-dns/ |
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| 20:01 | cait | no wikipedia - cant study math :) |
| 20:01 | chris | rhcl: naw, we had to use some hideous proprietary thing when i was doing statistics at university |
| 20:03 | rhcl | The University of Kansas-Lawrence (WizzyRea's hometown) uses it and they have an R Users Group. |
| 20:03 | Would like to attend but just a bit too far to drive. | |
| 20:04 | SPSS has an OSS equivalent in PSPP, we had to use SPSS | |
| 20:08 | * owen | asks rhcl to say it not spray it |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 20:09 | my hubs just sent me http://www.mathisfun.com | |
| 20:09 | which I said was inherently in opposition to my beliefes | |
| 20:09 | beliefs | |
| 20:12 | rhcl | Fly Spray is actually fairly useful. http://flyspray.org/using_flyspray |
| 20:12 | http://flyspray.org/start <- better initial link | |
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| 20:17 | rhcl | Can you imagine a Windows 2003 server in command of this? http://www.fastcompany.com/159[…]th-toshiba-tie-up |
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| 20:21 | * wizzyrea | cowers |
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| 20:42 | * chris_n | thinks it would work better if it were powered by embedded *nix |
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| 21:15 | hdl_laptop | bye |
| 21:15 | chris | cya hdl_laptop |
| 21:15 | hi Jo | |
| 21:15 | rhcl | bye |
| 21:18 | cait | good night :) |
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| 21:18 | wizzyrea | jo: how's your daughter? |
| 21:23 | Jo | Hi Liz |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | heya |
| 21:23 | Jo | just had a call from her |
| 21:23 | she is pretty upset | |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | I've been thinking of you and your family all day |
| 21:23 | Jo | we got the video pulled from youtube within 6 minutes of asking for help on twitter |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | what a terrible thing to have happen :( |
| 21:24 | but that is amazing (the video thing) | |
| 21:24 | Jo | but she gets to school today and itturns out the police didn't go and get the cellphones off the 3 girls who videoed it |
| 21:24 | and the video is now feral in our community | |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | omg, that is awful |
| 21:25 | Jo | rb |
| 21:25 | brb | |
| 21:29 | headmaster on phone ... interviewed the girls involved. at least the father of the main instigator is appalled at his daughters behaviour | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | :( |
| 21:33 | kids can be so mean | |
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| 21:35 | wizzyrea | if that was my kid she'd wouldn't have another cell phone until she could pay for it herself. And maybe not even then. |
| 21:35 | (or any other device capable of recording anything) | |
| 21:35 | * wizzyrea | mutters |
| 21:36 | Jo | I am appalled at how nasty these girls are |
| 21:36 | the beating is one thing but the ongoing bullying of the video is just breath taking | |
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| 21:36 | Jo | Chris: just looking at dates for go live. |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | ok, I'm going to pick up some seeds and my spud. jo, tell your daughter that we are thinking of her |
| 21:37 | if there's anything internet-y we can do to help out, let us know. | |
| 21:37 | chris | righto Jo |
| 21:37 | Jo | I'm just so glad she didn't get pummelled - but she is now racked with guilt that she didn't defend her friend |
| 21:37 | the wtitter response was awesome last night | |
| 21:37 | chris | Jo: she did the right thing |
| 21:38 | Jo | yep - I know. |
| 21:38 | her brother cried when he saw the video - asked her why she didn't get in the thick of it - she was her friend! | |
| 21:39 | i explained its a boy thing - testerone - boys are different to girls | |
| 21:39 | chris | yeah, thats a boy reaction, we have to save the day even if it ends up making everything worse |
| 21:39 | if she got involved it would have spiraled | |
| 21:39 | Jo | and it would have turned the 1:2 fight into an all out brawl |
| 21:39 | chris | and then the dad wouldnt have been able to break it up |
| 21:39 | Jo | right |
| 21:39 | back to koha | |
| 21:40 | you wanty to come to #hlt | |
| 21:40 | chris | done |
| 21:41 | Jo | hiya |
| 21:41 | so we are looking at official formal launch on 35th may | |
| 21:41 | chris | psst over at #hlt |
| 21:41 | Jo | staff training from 10th may |
| 21:41 | bum | |
| 21:41 | (jo is an idiot) | |
| 21:45 | larsw | does Koha have a target operating system (and release)? I was setting up a development environment yesterday, and Koha in git seems to require newer modules than the lenny release of Debian has |
| 21:45 | so I wondered if that was intentional | |
| 21:46 | eythian | larsw: I think currently they're versioned at about Debian testing. |
| 21:46 | larsw | some where even newer than that: the Storable perl module, for example: Koha wants 2.21, Debian (even unstable/sid) has 2.20. |
| 21:49 | eythian | larsw: dh-make-perl is your friend then :) |
| 21:50 | larsw | sure, but I do not know if the versioned dependencies are intentional or not |
| 21:53 | chris | unintentional |
| 21:53 | for the most part | |
| 21:54 | i think ppl when adding the dependency just add the latest cpan version, if if there is nothing in that they need | |
| 21:55 | larsw | right |
| 21:55 | so I should bring this up on a case-by-case basis on the devel list, I guess | |
| 21:57 | chris | yes please |
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| 22:05 | CGI181 | hello |
| 22:06 | 3-day newbie here :) | |
| 22:07 | :( | |
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| 22:09 | CGI181 | can anyone answer a question? |
| 22:10 | In the Implementation Checklist, it says NoZebraIndexes = 0 | |
| 22:10 | ||
| 22:10 | But in the manual, it says that we should leave the default value. | |
| 22:10 | ||
| 22:10 | What should I do? Leave it as default or should I write a 0? | |
| 22:10 | ||
| 22:17 | anyone here besides me? | |
| 22:17 | larsw | CGI181, I do not know the answer, but I would guess that if you use Zebra, you can set it to 0; if it does not work, you can change it later |
| 22:19 | CGI181 | thanks, i was thinking: what if i just leave things as they are, i.e. if NoZebra is OFF then what does it matter what the indexes are... Makes sense? (Just bouncing off ideas) |
| 22:35 | re | |
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| 22:59 | CGI181 | there things on the Implementation Checklist that do not even appear on the system anymore or have been moved |
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| 23:08 | CGI181 | anyone? |
| 23:08 | anyone with at least some experience? | |
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| 23:10 | CGI181 | sos |
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| 23:15 | bgkriegel | perhaps are all sleeping |
| 23:15 | CGI181 | yes! |
| 23:16 | lol | |
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| 23:25 | CGI181 | someone should write a koha for dummies |
| 23:26 | russ | brooke did an excellent koha for newbies for v2 |
| 23:26 | CGI181 | really, where is it, i'll google it |
| 23:28 | is it the one by B W Johnson? | |
| 23:29 | russ | ype that is it |
| 23:29 | CGI181 | oh ok |
| 23:29 | i had it already | |
| 23:29 | i will review it again | |
| 23:29 | russ | it will be way out of date |
| 23:30 | CGI181 | yes |
| 23:30 | right now i wanna know one basic thing | |
| 23:30 | my library is brand new there are no records to migrate | |
| 23:30 | meaning i have to start adding records from scratch | |
| 23:31 | through copy cataloging i guess | |
| 23:32 | so in Koha i should just go to cataloging>new record? | |
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| 23:39 | CGI181 | ... |
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