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munin |
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braedon|work |
chris_n: are you around? |
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Jo |
Chris N - are you about |
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need help with labelmaker |
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braedon|work |
hey, i'm in line firsT! |
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Jo |
elbows raedon out of the way with my big bum ;) |
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braedon|work |
what is your problem with the labelmaker? |
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Jo |
have a phonecall which i need help with |
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Mapua library - wanting to generate and print out barcode labels from 3.0.0.2 |
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and its not working |
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right, well then I shall sit patiently and wait in line - behind Braedon - for Chris-N to come cak |
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back (even) |
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braedon|work |
haha, no no, go ahead of me |
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i hacked around mine anyway |
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it is more of a bug report than an ask for help |
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the scaling and positioning of barcodes in the patron card creator(and probably in other labels that use barcodes) is rather broken if the number is too small. So i added a million to each number - thankfully the library is still at a stage where it can do that |
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Jo |
this is a small volunteer library in mapua (nelson - NZ) lloking for help. |
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way beyond my skillset unfortunately |
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braedon|work |
what are the details of the problem? I may possibly be able to be of some assistance (but probably not) |
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* masonj |
waves from kapiti |
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Jo |
braedon: they need to generate and print out a sheet of barcode labels to stick on books. |
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starting from a completely manual system |
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they have the system up and running - z39.50 working etc. |
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can create records - but need sheets of barcodes to do the next thing (sounds easy :) |
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cj |
tao po |
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braedon|work |
Jo what are they up to? |
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what have they tried? |
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* chris_n |
wanders back in |
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chris_n |
Jo: 3.0.0.2... is there any way they could upgrade to something more recent... 3.0.5 maybe? |
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braedon|work: scaling has been busted for a while for very low numbers |
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which is a good reason to go with large numbers :-) |
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actually scaling foo is a bit challenging with the way the PDF::Reuse barcode stuff is written |
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so it may stay that way for a while longer |
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braedon|work |
chris_n: i figured you would know, but thought it should bring it up jsut in case |
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s/it/i/ |
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chris_n |
there is actually a bug for it and someone did some work, but what works for small numbers will most likely have the opposite effect on large ones |
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braedon|work |
s/jsut/just/ |
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chris_n |
Jo: we just did 7k labels with the label tool and most of them were in early versions of 3.0.x |
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cj |
is there a script/utility to migrate data from koha 2.2.3 to 3.0? |
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Jo |
hi chris_n |
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chris_n |
cj: check the scripts in misc/migration_tools/22_to_30 |
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hey Jo, what sort of problems are they having? |
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Jo |
Chris_n : I shall ask. The other option is that they have a teeny tiny budget and could pay someone to generate a file for them to just print off. |
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cj |
where can i find that chris_n? in my local server? |
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Jo |
I don't know exactly.... but I have the lady's email address. |
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chris_n |
cj: and also installer/data/mysql |
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cj: yes |
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Jo |
wondering whether it is the same problem Braedon might be having ... bet they tried to start from 1 or something like that |
| 03:10 |
cj |
thanks chris.. ill check |
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chris_n |
it may be |
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the barcodes scale very large it seems when small numbers are used |
| 03:10 |
chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30&s[]=update |
| 03:10 |
Jo |
would you be willing for me to put her in direct contact with her? |
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chris_n |
Jo: sure |
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Jo |
ok - thank you :) |
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gmcharlt |
hi chris - is will on #koha? |
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chris_n |
Jo: chris.nighswonger at gmail.com |
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chris |
nope, ill tell him to get on when he gets to his desk tho |
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gmcharlt |
nothing urgent |
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just wanted to welcome him |
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chris_n |
braedon|work: the algorithm for scaling the barcodes is based on how wide the bar pattern is |
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braedon|work |
chris_n: well, there is really two issues as far as i can see. first is the positioning of the smaller barcodes, or rather all barcodes - the issue gets increasingly less pronounced as you increase the barcode size. The other is barcodes being stretched to a fixed percentage of the card, which looks rather bad and seems to cause issues with barcode scanners (for me). Wouldn't have a clue about the first from what i read of the code, but the latter sho |
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uld be able to be solved by calculating an optimum width for reading instead of stretching, and then handling barcodes that have optimum widths greater than the card seperatly |
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chris_n |
roughly speaking, height is inversely proportional to width |
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chris_n |
what flavor of barcode are you using? |
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braedon|work |
code39. nothing else seems to work |
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not that i know what the others are supposed to do... :p |
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chris_n |
I've never had a problem with code39 reading |
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braedon|work |
it was for numbers like 2 |
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chris_n |
I can understand that, though |
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om |
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braedon|work |
om nom nom? |
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(sorry, too much tf2) |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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bug 2409 is the one for that |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2409 normal, P3, ---, amirseni gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Patron card barcode overrun on short numbers |
| 03:17 |
chris_n |
feel free to submit any hackary you find works better with both small and large numbers |
| 03:18 |
cj |
i'm having an error while executing this command "perl update22to30.pl" ---> Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC |
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not really familiar with perl |
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braedon|work |
have you set the enviromental variables? |
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something like this: |
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export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
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export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib |
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particuarly the latter |
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check with: |
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echo $PERL5LIB |
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cj |
oks |
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braedon|work |
those variables are required for any Koha command line scripts to run. If you run those export commands(make sure they point to the correct places for your install, and edit if necessary) straight from a terminal, they will only apply for the current session. to "permanently" apply them, you will need to add the lines to something like /etc/environment, or the .profile file for the account that will be running scripts |
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Amit |
good morning all |
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chris_n |
heya Amit |
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Amit |
heya chris_n |
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braedon|work |
chris_n: I can have a look, but from what i have seen of the koha source code, my perl is really not up to scratch at the moment to do anything like that. The only perl work i have done is a script to mass search z39.50 servers, that i wrote a month or so ago. I can write my own basic scripts, but don't really have the knowledge of the more advanced language features to know enough of what is going on in Koha code to make any changes, if that makes se |
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i'm more of a python person :) |
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rhcl_home |
python++ |
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chris_n |
np, it is on the list to do |
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* chris_n |
and snakes do not get along well ;-) |
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braedon|work |
i really should do more work with perl though |
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"python" actualy refers to monty python, not the snake |
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the logo is misleading :P |
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rhcl_home |
but the book "Programming Python" by O'Reilly did have a snake on the cover |
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* braedon|work |
enjoys reading the python manual for the monty python sketch references |
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chris |
http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.[…]ches-of-koha.html |
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rhcl_home |
kind of a play on words |
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chris_n |
so will Python answer "What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?" |
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braedon|work |
dunno, but there are at least two examples in the manual that write code that effectively reenacts that sketch |
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rhcl_home |
emacs probably has a built-in function template to answer it |
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braedon|work |
from wikipedia(must be true!): "An important goal of the Python developers is making Python fun to use. This is reflected in the origin of the name (based on the television series Monty Python's Flying Circus), in the common practice of using Monty Python references in example code, and in an occasionally playful approach to tutorials and reference materials.[22][23] For example, the metasyntactic variables often used in Python literature are spam an |
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d eggs, instead of the traditional foo and bar." |
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anywho |
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chris_n |
hmmm.... koha uses php? |
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* braedon|work |
must work! |
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chris |
says such as |
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but no, core doesnt |
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Drew |
hi |
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rhcl_home |
Hi |
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Drew |
anyone up for a question? |
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rhcl_home |
just ask, if someone knows they'll answer. a lot of the regulars aren't active on right now though |
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Drew |
I am trying to print labels and the batch select by date does not seem to work |
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Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Ask, no need to ask to ask |
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* chris_n |
runs away |
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chris_n |
Drew: I just noticed that as well |
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braedon|working |
actually, i found that too |
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* chris_n |
was under the impression that that had been fixed |
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* braedon|working |
will check |
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Drew |
thanks |
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rhcl_home |
need to sleep...outta here til tomorrow... |
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braedon|working |
working in git master |
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gmcharlt |
chris: will there be a DBrev for the 2188 patch series? |
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braedon|working |
and in 3.00.05 |
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for me |
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Drew: what version, and Zebra/NoZebra? |
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Drew |
where do I look for that |
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braedon|working |
search for zebra in system preferences for Zebra |
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chris_n |
iirc it was a date formatting issue |
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braedon|working |
version... dunno. Anyone? |
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chris_n: weird that it is working on 3.00.05. I'm sure it wasn't a week or so ago. Unless it was another NoZebra issue?) |
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Drew |
i opted not to use zebra as we have less than 1000 volume |
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braedon|working |
that may be the issue |
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i have had nothing but problems with noZebra |
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Drew |
can i add zebra now? |
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braedon|working |
yip |
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Drew |
how would I do that |
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braedon|working |
just posted a howto to the mailinglist in response to someone else |
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are you subscribed? |
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Drew |
no |
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braedon|working |
ok, i'l get you the archive, just a sec |
| 03:56 |
cj |
what does this error mean? "updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Table 'koha.bookshelf' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 63." |
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got this error while running the web installer |
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braedon|working |
Drew: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ruary/022563.html |
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Drew: make sure to check the assorted paths used - they may well be different for you. Also, some commands are ubuntu specific |
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Drew: But that is what works for me :) |
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Drew |
i am using ubuntu |
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braedon|working |
swt |
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shouldn't be too much of an issue then |
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* braedon|working |
crosses fingers |
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Drew |
lol |
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that address is not taking me anywhere |
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braedon|working |
really? |
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damn |
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weird - works fine for me |
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what is an address i can forward the email to? |
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don't really want to past it all in here... |
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actually, i can try pastebin, just a sec |
| 04:00 |
Drew |
andrewimagodei-korea.org |
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braedon|working |
forwarded it |
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... |
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nope |
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returned to sender |
| 04:02 |
Drew |
my bad |
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acalamaroimagodei-korea.org |
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braedon|working |
done (hopefully) |
| 04:03 |
Drew |
got it thanks |
| 04:03 |
braedon|working |
np |
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chris_n |
cj: you appear to be missing the bookshelf table |
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braedon|working |
time to go home |
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* braedon|working |
waves |
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chris_n |
bye |
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chris_n |
I'll take a look at the barcode scaling again this weekend |
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@later tell braedon|home I'll take a look at the barcode scaling again this weekend |
| 04:06 |
munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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cj |
chris_n: there is no bookshelf table in /installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql |
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by the way i installed this version koha-3.00.04_fixed |
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actually there is more tables not seen here, koha.shelfcontents, Unknown column 'virtualshelfcontents.itemnumber', |
| 04:09 |
chris_n |
later bookshelf is renamed to virtualshelves |
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so it may be that that error can safetly be ignored |
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cj: did you look here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30&s[]=update |
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cj |
not yet |
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chris_n |
that deals with a lot of db errors typically encountered during such an upgrade |
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ok, off to find sleep |
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g'night #koha |
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cj |
ill try to install cpan modules listed there |
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tnx goodnight |
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i forgot to tell, all i have is the sqldump from the late koha223 database. the koha3.0 was installed in other machine.. |
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Jo |
night all. |
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gmcharlt |
greetings #koha |
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magnus |
so how did the bughunt go yesterday? i was away for most of the day... |
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gmcharlt |
magnus: pretty good - got a number of patches in and a number of bugs closed, including some blockers |
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magnus |
goody! |
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gmcharlt |
plus, courtesy of fredericd, we now have tool for translation the new syspref editor |
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weee - koha-community.org gets its first comment spam |
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@later tell wizzyrea is there a spam plugin installed? |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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magnus |
another milestone... ;-) |
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jdavidb |
Harrrrumph! |
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gmcharlt |
speak up, I can't hear you from underneath all that snow |
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@quote add <jdavidb> Harrrrumph! |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add <jdavidb> Harrrrumph! |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #55 added. |
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jwagner |
We have a jdavidb??? Hurray!!! |
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* jdavidb |
cackles maniacally. |
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jdavidb |
Theoretically, Verizon is supposed to be here today to fix my DSL. Since the snow is up to my bedroom windows, that may or may not happen... |
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@quote random |
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munin |
jdavidb: Quote #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the world .... oh good, that makes me feel better. it's just the govt" (added by jdavidb at 09:56 AM, September 09, 2009) |
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jwagner |
Having a bit of cabin fever, are we? |
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jdavidb |
This cell-phone-tether stunt is...twitchy, at best. And yes, the cabin fever is getting a bit extreme. I'd be willing to put up with a usual weekend tourist crush downtown right now, just to see some more humanity. |
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jwagner |
I'm pretty much of a hermit, but even I wouldn't mind seeing some other human beings. Briefly. Maybe. |
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magnus |
that's what videochat is for... ;-) |
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jwagner |
Oh, I get enough interaction online, between the IRC, email, Facebook, etc. But the view is a little limited there.... |
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@wunder 20740 |
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munin |
jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is -1.2�C (8:06 AM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising). |
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biglego |
Good morning can someone tell me the process of adding a link to the tools page. I've been playing with it with no result. |
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as in a link on the tools page to a tool i'm working on |
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Nate |
Morning |
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gmcharlt |
hi Nate |
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* owen |
kicks away the empty pizza boxes and soda cans littering #koha after bug-squashing day |
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Nate |
hiya gmcharlt |
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and owen |
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chris_n |
'morning #koha |
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gmcharlt |
biglego: edit koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/tools-home.tmpl to add it to the tools page |
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Nate |
hi chris_n |
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gmcharlt |
and koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/tools-menu.inc for the sidebar |
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* chris_n |
sweeps up the carcasses of squashed bugs |
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* jwagner |
hands gold stars and big Attaboys to all the squashers |
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* jdavidb |
makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs. |
| 13:36 |
gmcharlt |
jdavidb: speaking of which, note the patch for 2188 that chris forwarded yesterday - interacts with the MANUAL_INV hack you did a while back |
| 13:36 |
owen |
Hey, welcome back jdavidb |
| 13:36 |
gmcharlt |
and you're on a roll, today jdavidb |
| 13:37 |
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@quote add * jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs. |
| 13:37 |
munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #56 added. |
| 13:37 |
jdavidb |
lol |
| 13:38 |
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I see Chris's patch. I'm trying to recall what-all I did, but it looks like Chris really finished up the direction that was going. |
| 13:39 |
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Thnx, owen. I've missed y'all. |
| 13:41 |
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@quote random |
| 13:41 |
munin |
jdavidb: Quote #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to koha is much harder for libraries that are already automated" (added by pianohacker at 01:57 PM, June 19, 2009) |
| 13:41 |
* jdavidb |
pokes munin with a pointy stick, just 'cuz he's feeling ornery. |
| 13:42 |
* jwagner |
says Everybody Duck! When jdavidb is ornery, no one is safe!!! |
| 13:42 |
owen |
jdavidb: does your presence here mean the buses are running again or your internet is back up? |
| 13:42 |
jdavidb |
owen: Neither. I've managed to tether my PC to my cell phone. It's twitchy, but it works. |
| 13:43 |
owen |
bummer, I was hoping it was some good news for you |
| 13:43 |
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(although getting tethering working is good news) |
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| 13:43 |
gmcharlt |
hi schuster |
| 13:43 |
jwagner |
G'morning schuster |
| 13:43 |
jdavidb |
Verizon is *supposed* to be here sometime in the next eight hours to fix my DSL. I'll believe it when I see it. |
| 13:43 |
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howdy, schuster! |
| 13:44 |
jwagner |
Hey schuster, based on gmcharlt's message about your patch -- are you working in a git branch, or did you just copy the files to a different directory? |
| 13:49 |
schuster |
hey ... I'm learning and attempting to deal with my vendor situation to come up with a workaround to submit the patches. |
| 13:51 |
gmcharlt |
schuster++ |
| 13:51 |
jwagner |
I can sympathize with the learning business -- I still only know the basics of git myself. But it looked like you might have been trying to work in a new directory off master rather than creating a git branch. |
| 13:52 |
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Ask jdavidb how many times I tried editing in master rather than in a branch :-( |
| 13:53 |
* jdavidb |
was about ready to tattoo "use git status!" on the back of jwagner's hand. But enough harrumphing and growling, and she learned. :) |
| 13:53 |
schuster |
The system I was doing my editing on is a test system of 3.2 that I pulled and followed the directions so either way if it was a branch or Master didn't matter to me. I then transfered the files to a live server to make the actual git transfer, and pondered about the problems I was creating... |
| 13:57 |
jwagner |
See, I'm luckier. I just get to ponder about the problems I'm creating for jdavidb :-) |
| 13:57 |
nengard |
hello from under 2 feet of snow!!! |
| 13:58 |
jwagner |
But maybe gmcharlt or jdavib can talk you through setting up a branch on your live server, before you try copying your modified files to their proper directories to remake the patch. |
| 13:58 |
jdavidb |
Hi, nengard. We had another foot yesterday, on top of the two feet from the weekend. It's drifted up as high as my bedroom windows. |
| 13:59 |
jwagner |
Hi, nengard. Is that 2 feet of new snow? |
| 13:59 |
nengard |
jwagner - no - 2 feet total |
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thank god! |
| 13:59 |
jwagner |
We'll send you some of ours, then -- probably 3 feet or more outside right now. |
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| 14:00 |
schuster |
jwagner and jdavidb gmcharlt - well I'm going to attempt to "trick" the git on my "old" test server and hopefully when PTFS takes over I will have a better feeling for what and how this can all get setup. |
| 14:00 |
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Snowing in Dallas this morning we have about an inch expecting 3... |
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@wunder 75074 |
| 14:00 |
munin |
schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 0.7�C (7:45 AM CST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect until midnight CST tonight... |
| 14:01 |
collum |
I'm surprised you are at work. I remember school getting called off for less than that. |
| 14:01 |
schuster |
Then it may freeze over night so hard to tell what time I will make it to work tomorrow! All the kids are praying for a snow day - parents are praying for a late start. as it is supposed to be 50 tomorrow afternoon! |
| 14:01 |
gmcharlt |
schuster: if it would help, I can reformat the patch for you |
| 14:01 |
jdavidb |
My daughter is a happy teenager right now--no school all week. 'course, come the end of june, and she's still in school, she won't be so happy. |
| 14:02 |
schuster |
gmcharlt - let me play a little with the test server and resubmit and see what happens ok? |
| 14:03 |
gmcharlt |
ok, thanks |
| 14:05 |
owen |
@wunder 45701 |
| 14:05 |
munin |
owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is -3.9�C (8:56 AM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:05 |
owen |
Yay no winter storm warning. |
| 14:06 |
jdavidb |
@wunder 20852 |
| 14:06 |
munin |
jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -0.1�C (9:03 AM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999.5 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:10 |
chris_n |
owen: is there a template tidy script? |
| 14:11 |
owen |
Not that I know of. |
| 14:11 |
chris_n |
*sigh* |
| 14:11 |
owen |
What would you have such a script do? |
| 14:12 |
chris_n |
fix indentation |
| 14:12 |
* owen |
wishes it was possible to validate the templates but can't imagine how |
| 14:13 |
chris_n |
maybe TT will have some extra goodies of those sorts |
| 14:14 |
gmcharlt |
owen: some validation is already available |
| 14:14 |
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prove xt/author/translatable-templates.t |
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prove xt/author/valid-templates.t |
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| 14:14 |
owen |
gmcharlt: I'm not familiar with those |
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How are they used? |
| 14:15 |
gmcharlt |
literally as I listed them - they'll spit back a list of error messages |
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the ones in valid-templates.t are a little cryptic, alas, but that's mostly a H::T::Pro issue |
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| 14:16 |
owen |
gmcharlt: Does each one look for any templates in directories below? |
| 14:17 |
gmcharlt |
owen: it trawls through opac-tmpl and intranet-tmpl |
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| 14:23 |
schuster |
ok so I've resent my patch from the test server, but due to our network it may never get anywhere do to email proxies. If I attach the file to the bug can you pull it from there? I know this is a pain sorry... |
| 14:25 |
gmcharlt |
schuster: that's fine |
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you're not the only one with restrictive internet settings |
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| 14:29 |
schuster |
I've attached the patch to Bug 2930 - let me know if you can pull it from there and work with it. |
| 14:29 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2930 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Put other name on CKO screen |
| 14:30 |
schuster |
I have another "patch" to check-url.pl - that I was going to work on today and if that is how I have to do it then so be it. Actually that patch I can send from my actual production system as it is a utility. |
| 14:30 |
jdavidb |
schuster++ |
| 14:30 |
schuster |
My "test" system evidently doesn't have the email proxy setup so those emails go to never never land... |
| 14:33 |
jwagner |
schuster++ -- I'm really looking forward to seeing that URL checker |
| 14:35 |
schuster |
I've got about 16000 urls and on the test system it runs through it live in about 2 hours. |
| 14:35 |
jwagner |
Sweet! |
| 15:09 |
schuster |
OK Yeah... That patch seems to have gone through correctly to patches... giddy with excitement!! Now my boss wants me to write something up about our commitment to opensource and giving back... red tape... |
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| 15:11 |
schuster |
owen here??? or still home playing with the kids watching kiddy shows? |
| 15:12 |
owen |
Here! |
| 15:12 |
schuster |
ah... Finnius and Pherb... |
| 15:12 |
* owen |
was forced to watch Santa Buddies last night and barely survived |
| 15:12 |
schuster |
owen - did you see this post? http://old.nabble.com/Cookie-c[…]C-to27441518.html |
| 15:12 |
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Hey - Santa buddies was really cute! Except I have 2 westies and they bark at the other dogs on the TV... |
| 15:13 |
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Doesn't help when you have a projector and the dogs are life sized so my dogs want to snif them but can't get close enough. |
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owen - I'm still trying to get that kids access stuff setup... I will find a way!!! |
| 15:14 |
owen |
schuster: I saw that discussion but didn't pay very close attention |
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| 15:16 |
* owen |
wonders if openncip.org belongs to PTFS now |
| 15:19 |
* jwagner |
feels compelled to remind people that NOTHING belongs to PTFS yet.... |
| 15:19 |
jwagner |
except our current stuff, of course :-) |
| 15:20 |
owen |
Thanks jwagner of course you're right |
| 15:21 |
jwagner |
Future tense for all speculation, please :-) |
| 15:21 |
* wizzyrea |
wonders if openncip.org will belong to PTFS in the future... |
| 15:21 |
jwagner |
Beats the heck out of me -- I'm not familiar with the discussions.... I can ask but don't expect a quick answer. |
| 15:22 |
schuster |
I did let certain powers that be know that LL owned that url. |
| 15:24 |
Colin |
Unfortunately there's not much ncip on openncip |
| 15:26 |
jwagner |
NASA-TV++ #just watched a pretty launch of an Atlas rocket with the Solar Dynamics Observatory. |
| 15:33 |
owen |
nengard++ for Bug 4164. I was thinking the same thing yesterday |
| 15:33 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4164 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Way to Clone Keyword Mapping to other Frameworks |
| 15:33 |
nengard |
owen - got another coming - it's related |
| 15:35 |
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owen check bug 4166 - another thing we talked about |
| 15:35 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4166 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, No way to know what keywords to use for Keyword Mapping |
| 15:35 |
nengard |
who wrote the Keyword Mapping feature that is now under Administration? |
| 15:36 |
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I think it was biblibre so I have assigned those enhancements to hdl - but I just want to be sure |
| 15:37 |
gmcharlt |
yes, it was biblibre |
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* jdavidb |
returns from Windows-Problem-Solving-Mode. |
| 15:43 |
* chris_n |
hands jdavidb a rock to throw |
| 15:44 |
jdavidb |
I briefly debated throwing the whole mess out into the snow, and going back to bed. |
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Din't figure jwagner would appreciate that much; she's got issues I need to solve. |
| 15:45 |
* jwagner |
grins |
| 15:47 |
jdavidb |
So I did the reboot-until-it-works thing, and it finally did. |
| 15:47 |
* jwagner |
asks if jdavidb can solve my snow-removal issue? |
| 15:48 |
jdavidb |
I'd be happy to, jwagner, if enough of *mine* would be solved that I could get there to solve yours. |
| 15:48 |
jwagner |
snake-tail-swallow-chase.... |
| 15:48 |
jdavidb |
yup. |
| 15:49 |
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The apartment complex still hasn't shoveled all the walks here yet. |
| 15:49 |
jwagner |
I'm going to venture out in an hour or so to shovel (again). I hope the winds will have died down by then. |
| 15:49 |
jdavidb |
It's breezy here, but the snow has stopped moving around, mostly. |
| 15:53 |
schuster |
Texas looks better all the time... ;) |
| 15:54 |
jdavidb |
Hmpf. Tahiti sounds even better. Probably have better Internet than I do right now, too. |
| 15:57 |
jwagner |
On the noon news yesterday, the weather guy just said that during the last five winters combined, the DC area got 48 inches of snow. So far this winter we're at 50+ inches. |
| 15:58 |
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I wonder if I can squeeze in a March vacation to Florida for spring training.... |
| 16:03 |
chris_n |
jwagner: that's global warming for you |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
| 16:33 |
munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -16.0�C (10:15 AM CST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:34 |
owen |
gmcharlt: Are you available for a consult? |
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| 16:34 |
gmcharlt |
owen: what's up? |
| 16:35 |
owen |
If you could, take a look at how subtitles are getting pulled in opac-detail.pl line 207 |
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| 16:36 |
owen |
Contrast that with the way data is pulled for display on opac-user.pl: On opac-user.pl we're pulling biblio information via GetPendingIssues |
| 16:38 |
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I don't see how I can use the new GetRecordValue in conjunction with opac-user.pl to display subtitles since opac-user.pl doesn't use GetMarcBiblio |
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| 16:38 |
* gmcharlt |
takes a look |
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| 16:39 |
owen |
...which makes me wonder if the job of pulling biblio data should be moved from GetPendingIssues and put in opac-user.pl |
| 16:41 |
gmcharlt |
in an abstract sense, yes |
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the reason for doing it that way in GetPendingIssues is to avoid pulling and parsing the MARC blob |
| 16:42 |
* owen |
gets frustrated by the myriad ways the user will see titles displayed in the OPAC |
| 16:42 |
gmcharlt |
but since the GetRecordValue stuff isn't stored in the database or cached |
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going ahead and using GetMarcBiblio or the like instead is worth it, IMO, for the sake of consistency |
| 16:43 |
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as long as the changes are designed to ensure that a given MARCXML doesn't get parsed more than once during the opac-user.pl run |
| 16:44 |
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since GetPendingIssues does given you the bibnum |
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I suggest not changing that function itself |
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and just add code to opac-user.pl to bring in the bib and display it |
| 16:45 |
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just be sure to test performance if, say, the user has 100 items checked out |
| 16:45 |
owen |
I may be getting in over my head. How do I test performance? |
| 16:45 |
gmcharlt |
well, initially, with a stop watch |
| 16:46 |
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if the page takes 5 seconds to render now, but takes 15 seconds after you make your change ... |
| 16:48 |
schuster |
DON"T DO IT! if it takes longer!!! |
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* chris_n |
finds FF irritating today >:-( |
| 17:10 |
owen |
Anyone know what "stack underflow:tags stack is empty" means? I'm getting it from opac-shelves.pl |
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| 17:13 |
gmcharlt |
it means that there's an exact /tmpl_loop or /tmpl_if that doesn't have a mate |
| 17:13 |
wizzyrea |
so sad, http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/ died when you left, gmcharlt :/ |
| 17:14 |
gmcharlt |
just means that I have the last word, for now ;) |
| 17:14 |
wizzyrea |
hehe |
| 17:14 |
* jdavidb |
laughs really loud at the error message he just got... |
| 17:15 |
jdavidb |
"error: did you mean `--amend` (with two dashes ?)" (Of course I did.) |
| 17:15 |
* wizzyrea |
giggles |
| 17:16 |
jdavidb |
Hi, wizzyrea! I've missed ya this week. |
| 17:16 |
wizzyrea |
we have missed you too |
| 17:16 |
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hope you didn't get too cold. |
| 17:16 |
jdavidb |
Power was out Saturday and most of Sunday. Saturday night was quite chilly; the apartment was down to about 50F before the lights came on. |
| 17:17 |
wizzyrea |
brrrr |
| 17:17 |
jdavidb |
yes. Our normally un-cuddly angry feline was even cuddly. (which, since he is 16 lb of angry, made sleeping even harder...) |
| 17:22 |
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I've read through a whole *month's* supply of trashy romance novels. Briefly debated coding a whole redesign to Koha's MARC engine on a VirtualBox (or on my Eee), but decided to nap instead. |
| 17:23 |
owen |
Well I hope it was a good nap ;) |
| 17:23 |
wizzyrea |
fingers were too cold probably |
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| 17:24 |
jdavidb |
Several good naps, owen. |
| 17:25 |
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@quote random |
| 17:25 |
munin |
jdavidb: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 02:23 PM, September 16, 2009) |
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| 17:30 |
kf |
@quote random |
| 17:30 |
munin |
kf: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 12:04 PM, June 03, 2009) |
| 17:40 |
* jw-shovels |
has an achy back |
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| 17:43 |
jwagner |
@wunder 20740 |
| 17:43 |
munin |
jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 3.6�C (12:40 PM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:43 |
wizzyrea |
batch item modification = awesome |
| 17:43 |
gmcharlt |
having you been testing it? |
| 17:44 |
owen |
wizzyrea: batch item modification = working? |
| 17:44 |
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It was broken for me last time I tried it |
| 17:44 |
wizzyrea |
yea I'm looking at it now |
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about to execute my first modification |
| 17:46 |
kf |
is there a reason why I can nto change my framework from fast add to default? |
| 17:50 |
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hm, perhaps i m just too tired. |
| 17:51 |
wizzyrea |
it does work, but I found a problem, which I will look to see fi there is a bug |
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for |
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how was yours not working owen? |
| 17:51 |
owen |
It was modifying the wrong columns in the items table. So if I was editing replacement cost, it would put the data I specified for replacement cost in the next column after it |
| 17:52 |
wizzyrea |
yep, that's how it was broken for me |
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| 17:52 |
wizzyrea |
I changed an itype, put the new itype in the field above, and it changed the right thing |
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so close to working... |
| 17:53 |
kf |
bye #koha |
| 17:53 |
wizzyrea |
bye cait |
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| 17:53 |
owen |
wizzyrea: I chatted with someone at Biblibre about it and I don't think we got very far, far enough to think it might be USMARC-specific |
| 17:55 |
wizzyrea |
is there a formal bug that you know of? I didn't see one |
| 17:56 |
* wizzyrea |
is happy to file one |
| 17:56 |
wizzyrea |
it works but for that one (hopefully tiny!) thing |
| 17:57 |
owen |
I don't think there is a bug report wizzyrea |
| 17:58 |
wizzyrea |
with MARC21 records the changed field ends up changing one field after/below the intended field. |
| 17:58 |
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is that accurate? |
| 17:59 |
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or USMARC, I guess |
| 17:59 |
gmcharlt |
ah, that explains what I saw when I glanced at it for all of 10 seconds yesterday |
| 17:59 |
wizzyrea |
!! what did you see? |
| 18:00 |
* wizzyrea |
is in an eric carle book: release manager, release manager, what did you see? |
| 18:00 |
gmcharlt |
tried to change both homebranch and holdingsbranch, only one got changed |
| 18:00 |
wizzyrea |
yea, that would do it |
| 18:00 |
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I tried to change an itype, and it put it in the public note |
| 18:00 |
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when I put the itype code in the field above itype, it changed the itype |
| 18:01 |
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(just like I wanted) |
| 18:01 |
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ok, filing this bug. |
| 18:08 |
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bug 4169 |
| 18:08 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4169 normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Batch Item modification tool is off by one field |
| 18:11 |
wizzyrea |
do those screenshots make sense? |
| 18:12 |
gmcharlt |
yep |
| 18:14 |
joetho_away |
I couldn't get it to work yesterday but I didn't think to look at different fields |
| 18:14 |
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hmmm |
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I wondered if there would be problems with marc, since they don't use marc in france, correct? |
| 18:16 |
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this is a very important feature to libraries |
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IMO |
| 18:16 |
gmcharlt |
joetho_away: sure they use MARC in France |
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the UNIMARC flavor, not MARC21, however |
| 18:16 |
joetho_away |
that and the merge bibs using virtural shelflist |
| 18:17 |
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that's what I meant |
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I knew they didn't use marc21 but wasn't sure what they DID use |
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*virtual |
| 18:21 |
chris |
people seen this ? http://www.esilibrary.com/esi/newsitem.php?id=126 |
| 18:25 |
jwagner |
Congrats to Equinox & gmcharlt |
| 18:25 |
fredericd |
chris: Now, yes. 'The Equinox Promise'. I have faith. |
| 18:26 |
chris |
yep, tis good news |
| 18:26 |
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gmcharlt: will atz be helping you with koha stuff? |
| 18:27 |
chris_n |
Equinox++ |
| 18:28 |
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very nice |
| 18:28 |
gmcharlt |
chris: some, I'm sure, though he'll continue to focus on Evergreen coding for now |
| 18:28 |
chris |
cool |
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* chris |
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chris |
congrats equinox and gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
thanks! |
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brendan |
"We hope this initiative will help promote cross-community cooperation |
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and sharing between the Evergreen and Koha communities. There is so much |
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in common between these two communities and so much to be gained. |
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As always, thanks for your support." |
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from an email from Brad to the Evergreen mailing list |
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* brendan |
likes |
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Sjeffery |
Is there a way to add a default value to cataloging framework fields? I can't seem to find it form the administraiton menu. Is it hardcoded somewhere? |
| 18:39 |
fredericd |
chris: I'm looking misc/translator scripts and the whole process of generating .po files. Is the version number appended to .po filename required? Still required with git? |
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schuster |
Sjeffery - some of it is did you have something in particular you wanted to code? |
| 18:46 |
Sjeffery |
My thought is to have default values in some fields so that our non-catalogers would have a better idea of what is supposed to go in a field and how it is supposed to be formatted. Maybe there is a better way than default text? For example: The 086 subfield which indicates the source/system will almost always have the exact same value for us. |
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Everything else in Koha looks good, but that MARC-based input screen will be a nightmare to train our people on (working on getting a migration to Koha approved at our library right now). |
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chris |
fredericd: no, not required, but i do find it handy sometimes .. but no with git and different branches, not required at all |
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Sjeffery: you can do it with authorised/authorized values |
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* chris |
is off to http://baacamp.org/ today, so cant explain properly but someone will be able to tell you how to set that up |
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Sjeffery |
Figures:) |
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jwagner |
Sjeffery, look at Home � Administration � MARC Frameworks � Framework Structure � Tag 086 Subfield Structure � Edit subfields constraints , then click on display more constraints for a particular subfield. You can enter a Default Value, or tie the subfield to an authorized value pick list. |
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You'd have to create the authorized value list separately. |
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Sjeffery |
Aha, great. I was in a slightly different menu. |
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Sjeffery |
I tihnk what I am going to do is create a framework for brief records with only half a dozen fields, all with example default text filled in. That way, in theory, anyone should be able to figure it out. |
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jwagner |
Sjeffery, that will be a LOT of work -- it's difficult to either create a framework or strip one down. Have to do it one field at a time :-( I did some work in that direction for one of our sites, but didn't complete it (they decided they didn't want it). |
| 18:58 |
Sjeffery |
I'm just going to call that job security and not think about it for a while. |
| 18:58 |
jwagner |
There's optimism for you! |
| 18:59 |
Sjeffery |
Would you happen to know the method to do a dump from Koha used by OCLC to do a batch holdings update? |
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jwagner |
I don't, but various people were talking about that the other day. Don't know if there is any method yet. |
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gmcharlt |
Sjeffery: there's a MARC bibliographic export tool under Tools |
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Sjeffery |
That is probably it. I don't know how OCLC does it, just was curious. |
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owen |
It would be appropriate to use Perltidy if I find a script that uses a mix of spaces and tabs for indentation? |
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chris_n |
owen: please do |
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just submit the tidy as a separate patch from actual code work |
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owen |
I'm happy to if you can tell me how it's done :) |
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chris_n |
owen: just run perl tidy on foo.pl and then commit foo.pl create a patch and off you go |
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owen |
chris_n: There aren't any particular options I need to set for it? Just run it? |
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chris_n |
om |
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gmcharlt |
owen: the file xt/perltidyrc (sp?) has the canonical options |
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owen |
gmcharlt: I have no idea what that means |
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gmcharlt |
owen: ok, lemme try again |
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:) |
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from the koha root |
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perltidyc --pro=xt/perltidyrc name_of_file_you_want_to_tidy |
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that creates a new file with a .tdy extension, which you can then check and move into place |
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alternative, add a -b switch to edit the file in place; that will create a backup with a .bak extension |
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owen |
gmcharlt: "perltidyc" or "perltidy" ? |
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gmcharlt |
sorry, just perltidy for the command |
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wizzyrea |
chris_n: just looked through the label creator; you, good sir, deserve a medal. It's beautiful. |
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everything I tried worked perfectly |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea: tnx :-) |
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jwagner |
I think we need Good Citizen awards, to give to people who make these nice major contributions :-) |
| 19:26 |
wizzyrea |
Yes... I agree |
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chris_n |
I have two outstanding issue, which I hope to fix over the weekend or early next week |
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wizzyrea |
Maybe as part of the 3.2 release notes :) |
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joetho_away |
the label development is also very important to librarians |
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thanks to chrisn |
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chris_n ++ |
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@karma chris_n |
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munin |
joetho_away: Karma for "chris_n" has been increased 37 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 37. |
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jwagner |
chris_n++ |
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joetho_away |
@tenbucks chris_n |
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munin |
joetho_away: Error: "tenbucks" is not a valid command. |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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joetho_away |
well the thought was there |
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biglego |
Okay I've been playing with the following files trying to get a new tool link to appear |
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intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/tools-home.tmpl |
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intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/tools-menu.inc |
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I've edited existing stuff I've added my own stuff and no change |
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On a hunch I renamed them and the tools page still appears in my web browser. Obviously my tools page is not generated from where I think it should be. Ideas suggestions? |
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wizzyrea |
erm, did you duplicate your templates? |
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wizzyrea |
are you using the right set? |
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(in the sysprefs) |
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seneca |
Does anyone know if there is a way to renew all patrons at once? |
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bigbrovar |
Hi guys.. is there a way I can configure the internet aware tools in koha to work on an intranet server behind a network proxy |
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* wizzyrea |
is not aware of any "Batch renew" functionality |
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wizzyrea |
*batch renew *patrons* |
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internet aware tools such as z39.50? |
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owen: the interface looks *really* good. You have been busy, and it shows. |
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owen |
Thanks wizzyrea! |
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wizzyrea |
I think 3.2 is shaping up quite nicely |
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* owen |
has gone down a rabbit-hole of template changes today which seems to be getting deeper |
| 19:40 |
wizzyrea |
yikes |
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bigbrovar |
wizzyrea: yeah |
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seneca |
Hmm... then I'll ask my other question: |
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When I have new accounts made automatically from my LDAP source upon patron login, it creates their account but does not give them Expiration dates |
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therefore, the account can't check anything out. Any ideas why this happens? |
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biglego |
wizzyrea where at in sysprefs? |
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wizzyrea |
biglego: 1s let me find the name of the pref |
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seneca |
I don't think this was the behavior before I recently upgraded, but I can't find any setting for it that might have been changed. |
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wizzyrea |
appearance -> template |
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by default it's prog |
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braedon|work |
seneca: you could do a "batch renew" manually with sql |
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seneca |
hmm |
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do you happen to know the table, column? |
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braedon|work |
not off the top of my head |
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* wizzyrea |
should clarify, there's no web interface way to batch renew |
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braedon|work |
would guess borrowers table |
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seneca |
I'll go looking - thanks! |
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chris |
ok back for a little bit at work, before the taxi to the airport |
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bigbrovar |
Hi guys.. is there a way to set up the internet aware tools in koha to work on an intranet server behind a network proxy (squid) |
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biglego |
wizzyrea i'm on 3.04 i have theis "template" "Define the preferred staff interface template" in system preferences -> admin, but no appearance |
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richard |
hi |
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braedon|work |
bigbrovar: you would need to configure the proxy to let the services you need through - not much you can do from the tool end (assuming the proxy is any good at what it does). What is the proxy set to let through/block? |
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bigbrovar |
braedon|work: well all internet traffic http(s) and ftb have been routed to go through an http_proxy server. so port 80 has been blocked from the firewall |
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bigbrovar |
braedon|work: the only way to connect to internet is to setup the proxy in my env or configure the internet app to use the proxy. (if it has such settings) |
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braedon|work |
is the proxy acting as a gateway to the internet? ie, does all traffic on any port have to pass through it z39.50 |
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oops, ignore the z39.50 |
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bigbrovar |
braedon|work: exactly |
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braedon|work |
ok |
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bigbrovar |
braedon|work: the proxy is the gate way to the internet |
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bigbrovar |
braedon|work: so any tip? |
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braedon|work |
the servers you are connecting to with z39.50 determine the port you need to use, obviously. I don't see an easy way around it other than asking your sys admin to allow access through the proxy on the ports required, for the conputer you are using |
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braedon|work |
you could set up a tunnel to a computer you control past the proxy, but that requires the proxy to allow ssh |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.5�C (11:54 AM PST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
yea, a targeted firewall rule just for the ILS server is what you need |
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bigbrovar |
wizzyrea: am sure that can be done. I would have to sit down with the network admin. |
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wizzyrea: probably make him an offer be can refuse :p |
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wizzyrea |
if it involves 1. beer, 2. Cookies, and 3. Caffiene, I doubt he'd deny you |
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bigbrovar |
wizzyrea: :) |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 7.0�C (2:41 PM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
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chris |
@wunder warkworth, nz |
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munin |
chris: The current temperature in Warkworth, New Zealand is 18.2�C (8:59 AM NZDT on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa (Rising). |
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jwagner |
@wunder 20740 |
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munin |
jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 3.8�C (3:02 PM EST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). |
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chris |
thats where im going today |
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jwagner |
Take us along? |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -9.0�C (1:55 PM CST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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biglego |
hmm i'm not using the template files in en i'm using them in en-NZ, is there away to switch to en? |
| 20:13 |
chris |
in system preferences |
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biglego |
what am i looking for is system preference language? |
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chris |
yeah, in the opac and the staff bits |
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the other option, is mv the en-NZ dir out of the way :) |
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biglego |
its got en selected for staff and opac |
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chris |
right, what does your browser have selected as its preference? |
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(that will override) |
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wizzyrea |
hey, I win! there was an alternate set of templates you were using :) |
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not in the way I thought... but oh well |
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chris |
probably the easiest way for now, is just to mv the en-NZ ones out of the way |
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biglego |
says english, cool i'll move them thought I was going insane point wizzyrea |
| 20:21 |
wizzyrea |
embarrassing admission: I've done similar things more times than I care to admit. :) |
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biglego |
i'm not embarrassed I was in the right directory all the time with my browser and sysprefs set to english and it was defaulting to en-NZ |
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i checked the install log and en is the choice selected |
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chris |
and your locale is not en-NZ |
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? |
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it might be the code that tries to pick your language has a bug |
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wizzyrea |
oh, 3.0.4, maybe get 3.0.5? |
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biglego |
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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chris |
weird |
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biglego |
once I mv en-NZ to cursed-en-NZ it picked up my addition |
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chris |
heh |
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but now your spelling is all wrong :P |
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ok, meeting time, back later |
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biglego |
In the tools-home.tmpl and tools-menu.inc I see this before every link example <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_tools_inventory" --> |
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Do I need to create <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_my_tool" --> somewhere? Hopefully language doesn't come into play |
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right now I'm using <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_tools_inventory" --> |
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owen |
biglego: You're adding a new tool, is that right? |
| 20:37 |
biglego |
yeah |
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gmcharlt |
biglego: there's a bit more to it - http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]ruary/005541.html - is an example of what's need to create a new permission |
| 20:38 |
owen |
the other option being it could share the same permission as another tool if it made sense |
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...but I guess each Tool has its own now hunh? |
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biglego |
well at 3.04 the userflags table is a little bare, so I think I can skip that hunk of intimidation pasted by galen |
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* gmcharlt |
is always glad to oblige ;) |
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* jdavidb |
tries to imagine a "hunk of intimidation" from gmcharlt, and fails his saving throw. |
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bbl |
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Jo |
chris - can i ring you ? |
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chris |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
can anybody speak to the kind of load a, say 10-15 minute hold queue generation schedule would incur? |
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on a collection with 30 libraries and 600k+ items |
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(god... 30... really? wow!) |
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chris |
no idea sorry |
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schuster |
What do you mean by a 10-15 minute hold queue generation? |
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wizzyrea |
i mean regenerating the hold queue every 15 minutes |
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so when you click on hold queue for your library it's been maximum 14 minutes since it was generated |
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schuster |
hmmm guess this is a standard cron job that generally only runs once a day? |
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wizzyrea |
or twice a day |
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at least in our case |
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there are some funny things caused by timing/ignoring holds from the pick list |
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that I think might be mitigated by running the hold queue more often |
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but it would probably not be optimal for performance >.> |
| 21:59 |
chris |
what you could od |
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do even |
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is run the holds queue on a slave db, and make koha use it |
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for that report |
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but that would involve trickery |
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wizzyrea |
gl getting that setup in our state of the art cloud environment |
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(even though that would probably make it easier to do) |
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chris |
heh yeah |
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wizzyrea |
I can concieve of a method of doing it in EC2, but I don't have the keys to our system (literally) |
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i like trickery >.> |
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schuster |
mines set to run ?hourly 52 in the cron job. |
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wizzyrea |
I think we might have started out running it that often... not sure why we stopped |
| 22:05 |
schuster |
On my test system it took hardly no time to run so I don't think it would be a huge performace killer. |
| 22:05 |
wizzyrea |
yea, you'd be a good test case, you have zillions of items :) |
| 22:05 |
schuster |
And if you are clouded performance isn't your issue! |
| 22:05 |
wizzyrea |
you would think that... |
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we have more issues than they like to admit |
| 22:06 |
schuster |
I've messed with my system if you remind me on Tuesday I can restore it and run it again. we have 1.2 million items, but not everyone is doing holds. |
| 22:07 |
wizzyrea |
I'm going to have to think more about what I discovered today about the holds |
| 22:08 |
schuster |
You have those fancy holds patches as well that I may not have... that may impact this as well. |
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wizzyrea |
most of those are in community, 3.0.5 I thought |
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certainly we had all of that done by last june |
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I was verifying that http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3595 |
| 22:09 |
munin |
04Bug 3595: normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold |
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wizzyrea |
was still a problem |
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and it is |
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schuster |
How nice for you... I'm not there... I think I'm 3.01.032? or 36 |
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wizzyrea |
oh we're close to you |
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do you have the local holds stuff? |
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b/c that's what we had done |
| 22:09 |
schuster |
Ah... I'm working on getting a 3.2 instance up and running with a copy of my production database and maybe that will be done tomorrow. |
| 22:10 |
wizzyrea |
we are at 37 on our production |
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but I was playing in 117 |
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schuster |
I can't remember if I got local holds or not that you are talking about. Seems like I got some but not all? I'd have to go back and look again. I don't think I got everything as localholds is still an issue for us. |
| 22:11 |
wizzyrea |
it's still an issue for us too |
| 22:11 |
schuster |
well - off to drive in the snow - 30 minutes any bets on how long it will take me to get home tonight? |
| 22:11 |
wizzyrea |
some things still don't work very well |
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but I believe all are reported as community bugs |
| 22:11 |
schuster |
Driving to work this morning - snow not frozen - 45 mpg zone people driving 20... augh... |
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wizzyrea |
yikes |
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schuster: we haven't gotten the fixes that were promised us to be done in september. |
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for local holds |
| 22:12 |
schuster |
tomorrow will be the true test how frozen things are in the morning... you will probably hear a lot from me as I am betting school will be called and then Saturday it is supposed to get up to 50 degrees - wet and mushy... |
| 22:13 |
wizzyrea |
mmmm mushy |
| 22:13 |
schuster |
yes I have paid for things that I have not gotten yet either... has someone talked to John Yokely from your institution about that? Make sure they are on the development list to be done. |
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wizzyrea |
idk, my boss has a list of concerns that he is sending |
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i'm sure stuff we've paid for and not gotten is on it |
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as well as "for god's sake don't make us do LEK" |
| 22:15 |
schuster |
well off I go! |
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wizzyrea |
gl |
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drive safely :) I'm sure you will :) |
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braedon|work |
how often does the "install_misc/ubuntu.packages" list get updated? i have quite a few additions for master |
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or perhaps it would be better to ask: Who manages the ubuntu install guide, and package list? |
| 22:30 |
chris |
whoever sends patches to it :) |
| 22:30 |
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its a free for all |
| 22:31 |
braedon|work |
ok |
| 22:31 |
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i may have a go once i have done some more testing |
| 22:31 |
chris |
cool |
| 22:31 |
braedon|work |
damn perl dependencies. i hates them! |
| 22:32 |
wizzyrea |
gmcharlt was going to update the documentation for perl modules that have changed since 3.0 |
| 22:32 |
braedon|work |
ok |
| 22:32 |
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perhaps i can just send him what i found |
| 22:33 |
gmcharlt |
braedon|work: please, do, or post to bug 411 |
| 22:33 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=411 minor, P2, ---, paul.poulainbiblibre.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Supplier ID referenced on Search page but shown no where |
| 22:33 |
gmcharlt |
bug 4151, rather |
| 22:33 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Document new perl modules for those upgrading |
| 22:33 |
braedon|work |
ok, will do |
| 22:35 |
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git master is still on 3.2 dev correct? haven't split it off to start on 3.4 yet? |
| 22:37 |
gmcharlt |
correct |
| 22:37 |
braedon|work |
swt |
| 22:37 |
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just checking :) |
| 23:05 |
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gmcharlt: added a coment to bug 4151 |
| 23:05 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Document new perl modules for those upgrading |
| 23:06 |
Jo |
can someone point me to latest version of the 3.2 manual please. |
| 23:07 |
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have found this one on kete.org: |
| 23:07 |
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ignore me please - I found it |
| 23:07 |
brendan |
I think this should be the most recent, http://koha-community.org/docu[…]ation/3-2-manual/ |
| 23:12 |
Jo |
thanks Brendan. |
| 23:13 |
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I wonder who we would need to talk to to get koha.org updated to pint to the koha-community.org site :) |
| 23:13 |
brendan |
surething thank nengard++ |
| 23:13 |
Jo |
point to (even ...) |
| 23:13 |
brendan |
jo pint's sound better right about now :) |
| 23:14 |
Jo |
goodness gracious: that nengard is a powerhouse ... does she ever sleep? |
| 23:16 |
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getting out laptop to display manual while i work the new/improved admin / setup in 3.2 to see whats new/improved :) |
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Genji |
hiya all. |
| 23:48 |
braedon|work |
hi there |
| 23:49 |
Genji |
question, getRecord retrieves results async'ly... meaning server 1's results could get processed after server 2's results are processed by the ZOOM::event while loop, correct? |
| 23:53 |
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so to try and tack the second query results under the first query results could end up with the second query results on top of the first query results? |
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