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| 00:28 | gmcharlt | alrighty then |
| 00:30 | Genji | hi? |
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| 00:46 | brendan | howdy jdavidb |
| 00:46 | jdavidb | Hi, brendan. |
| 00:46 | brendan | hoping that heat has returned for you |
| 00:46 | :) | |
| 00:46 | sounded cold reading through the logs | |
| 00:46 | jdavidb | Oh, yeah. We had power by sunday night. My DSL is still down, tho. |
| 00:46 | brendan | but getting some reading done is always nice |
| 00:46 | jdavidb | yep. |
| 00:46 | brendan | bummer about the DSL |
| 00:47 | you jumping on some neighbors wifi? | |
| 00:47 | jdavidb | Cell-phone tetherin. |
| 00:47 | brendan | cool |
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| 00:47 | brendan | bye |
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| 00:48 | jdavidb | :) |
| 00:48 | brendan | heh |
| 00:48 | jdavidb | My cell is a little dodgy for tetherin', but it works, mostly. |
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| 01:09 | * jdavidb | waves to nengard |
| 01:10 | nengard | hi jdavidb - just read the news |
| 01:10 | http://www.liblime.com/news/ac[…]ion-not-happening | |
| 01:10 | gmcharlt | hi nengard |
| 01:10 | nengard | hi gmcharlt |
| 01:10 | hi to all who don't usually see me at this hour :) | |
| 01:13 | chris_n | what an interesting twist |
| 01:14 | jdavidb | Ain't it, though. |
| 01:14 | russ | it is all fun and games in koha land :-) |
| 01:15 | brendan | heh -- i like to call it my daily soap-opera |
| 01:20 | braedon|work | so.. does that mean you guys aren't going to be getting koha.org back any time soon? |
| 01:22 | russ | who knows |
| 01:22 | tune in next week when spidey says... | |
| 01:23 | * russ | gets on with useful stuff like updating the kohacon10 wiki |
| 01:24 | chris_n | hehe |
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| 01:25 | gmcharlt | russ++ |
| 01:27 | * chris_n | thought refusing to support community features was a bad sign |
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| 01:28 | * richard | reads the news |
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| 01:30 | richard | gosh |
| 01:30 | brendan | heh |
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| 01:31 | gmcharlt | perltidy++ # yay, readable code |
| 01:32 | perltidy-- # where's the mode to break up functions that are 323 lines long? | |
| 01:32 | jdavidb | lol |
| 01:33 | chris_n | obfuscation you mean? |
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| 01:35 | gmcharlt | more like de-obfuscation |
| 01:37 | nengard | k - time to go spend time with hubby - see you all tomorrow! |
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| 01:37 | Jo | lucky we weren't holding our breath for koha.org to come back to us :) |
| 01:37 | bye Nicole | |
| 01:37 | brendan | koha-community.org++ |
| 01:37 | totally agree Jo | |
| 01:38 | chris_n | truth |
| 01:38 | gmcharlt | Jo: at least it makes it crystal clear who you're negotiating with |
| 01:40 | Jo | yep |
| 01:40 | does anyone have an urge to tell me how good and useful turning on library thing or syndetics is for enhanced content in koha | |
| 01:41 | ie worth the price | |
| 01:41 | brendan | hmm.. have you seen a catalog with it turned on? |
| 01:41 | wonders if I know of one with it turned on | |
| 01:42 | gmcharlt | it can be useful, yes, particularly with the LibraryThing stuff |
| 01:43 | Jo | well as a new convert to library thing for my home library, it is pretty cool aka a real time ewaster :) |
| 01:43 | apparently Waimakiriri here in nz have it but i can't see it when i saercah their catalogue. | |
| 01:43 | brendan | https://librarycatalog.ebpl.org |
| 01:44 | * chris_n | discovers folding in vim and is an even happier camper |
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| 01:46 | Jo | I havn't quit |
| 01:46 | my laptop quit (has a brain of its own and refuses to types 'O' anymore | |
| 01:46 | collum_ | Here's one with syndetics http://mtpl.ptfsinc.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl |
| 01:48 | brendan | ah I like the tutorials found from that website collum_ |
| 01:48 | https://librarycatalog.ebpl.org | |
| 01:48 | whops | |
| 01:48 | http://mtpl.org/renew.html | |
| 01:50 | Jo | oh thanks - off playing |
| 01:51 | collum_ | Yep. Nice tutorials. |
| 01:51 | Jo | so would you ever have more than 1 on these enhance content 'services' tunred on. |
| 01:52 | ie would you have syndetics + google or just one or the other? | |
| 01:52 | * chris_n | notes cool new tweaks in additem.pl |
| 01:52 | gmcharlt | potentially you might want to mix and match |
| 01:52 | in the case of cover images, to pull together multiple sources | |
| 01:53 | collum_ | Do LibraryThing tags come over into Koha? |
| 01:53 | gmcharlt | but more likely to combine differents types of enhanced content |
| 01:53 | collum_: they're not indexed or loaded into Koha's own tag system afaik | |
| 01:53 | brendan | but it would show all sources of covers correct... not just the one where it matches |
| 01:53 | gmcharlt | brendan: yes, right now it would |
| 01:54 | Jo | its the tags really . i don't think the public use them anywhere near as much as they should and if we imported a 'set' it would demonstrate how powerfuil they are |
| 01:54 | brendan | collum_ it as javascript addition that calls from the lirbarything servers based on ISBN# |
| 01:54 | IRC | |
| 01:54 | collum_ | Ahh. |
| 01:55 | brendan | but that was my understanding awhile ago... I guess all things are dynamic |
| 01:55 | well hoping that most things are dynamic | |
| 01:55 | gmcharlt | Jo: that's one of the things that SOPAC integration could help with - sharing tags among libraries |
| 01:55 | certainly critical mass is the biggest problem with tagging in library catalogs | |
| 01:56 | brendan | could be a cool koha-community.org project to build a shared tag's database |
| 01:56 | collum_ | Yep. I'm not sure we would ever get enough tags to be useful. |
| 01:56 | brendan | for koha catalogs |
| 01:56 | collum_ | if left up to the patrons. |
| 01:56 | gmcharlt | brendan: build it, and we'll get Evergreen catalogs in as well ;) |
| 01:56 | brendan | adding it to the list ;) |
| 01:59 | Jo | that would be amazing |
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| 02:02 | Genji | is there any method of figuring out what server query caused a zoom::event? |
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| 02:08 | wizzyrea_laptop | very quiet, surprising really |
| 02:10 | chris_n | you just missed out on all the long discussions |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea_laptop | much wailing and gnashing of teeth? |
| 02:13 | Genji | what if i move all the record retrieval into one lump... and then I process it? instead of getRecords record retrieval and process at the same time? |
| 02:13 | gmcharlt | actually, no - we decided to talk about something useful and discussed enhanced content services for a bit ;) |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea_laptop | ooh! |
| 02:14 | Genji | i would be basically rewriting/reorganizing getRecord... |
| 02:14 | wizzyrea_laptop | shinies! |
| 02:15 | I guess now that we know we don't have to guess at what is going to happen now, so we can move on our happy path of kicking lek's arse | |
| 02:15 | gmcharlt | Genji: if you're firing of multiple queries simultaneously, you can tell which connection a ZOOM::event is associated with |
| 02:16 | Genji | gmcharlt: how? |
| 02:16 | wizzyrea_laptop | (unless of course we see the code, then things might be different) |
| 02:16 | * wizzyrea_laptop | is done now |
| 02:17 | gmcharlt | Genji: that's what ZOOM::event does - if you look (e.g.,) at around line 401 of C4/Search.pm |
| 02:17 | ZOOM::event is checking the connections passed to it for events | |
| 02:18 | the return value is the index into the array of connections of the connection that has the most recent event ready to process | |
| 02:19 | the asynchronous applications section of perldoc ZOOM is pretty through | |
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| 02:23 | Genji | so zconns[$i] is the same connection as $servers[$i]? |
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| 02:25 | gmcharlt | it's one-to-one - the routines in C4::Search open one connection per defined server that it's searching |
| 02:25 | and the code happens to open the connections in the same order as @$servers | |
| 02:26 | Genji | right. so if i want to process server 1 first, i just do the while loop until $i=1? |
| 02:28 | okay... im confused... it says asyncrounously retrieve results... means that the results are already in by this stage? | |
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| 02:30 | gmcharlt | that you are started to receive them, yes |
| 02:30 | and you still want to pull them in asynchronously for efficency | |
| 02:32 | if you want to split the output by server, what you can do is either include the server index ($i) as part of the data stracture that you stick th eresults into | |
| 02:32 | i.e., build an array to start the $results_hash that you want associated with each connection | |
| 02:36 | Genji: and actually, getRecords is doing that for you anyway | |
| 02:37 | as $results_hashref (after line 481) | |
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| 02:39 | Genji | hmm.. i actually want to combine the results, server 1 + server 2, and then do the ofsetting and results per page.. |
| 02:40 | well.. its not server 1.. server 2 for me.. its query 1 + query 2. | |
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| 02:42 | gmcharlt | append the results of one query after the other, right? |
| 02:47 | Genji | ya. but the offsetting happens inside getRecord itself. while looping through the results. |
| 02:48 | gmcharlt | which gets us back to one of my earlier suggestions, which is seeing if you can create appropriate sort indexes so that you can create a single query that puts the records you want first |
| 02:49 | in order to it via separate queries, you'd have to get the number of hits from the first query | |
| 02:49 | see if that falls in the desired search offset | |
| 02:50 | then issue one or two separate calls to getRecords | |
| 02:50 | once you do that, the merge of the result sets becomes trivial | |
| 02:51 | Genji | hmm.. getRecord does its own offsetting though. |
| 02:53 | gmcharlt | right - get the result set size for a query (without fully processing it) would need to be a new function |
| 02:53 | Genji | right. |
| 02:54 | Jo | syndetics data as enhanced content looks amazing ... |
| 03:05 | Genji | so, search.pl first getResultSize($query) then if $offset is within $size, getRecord query 1 until resultsperpage and if results per page isn't filled by query 1's results, get query 2's results.. until is resultsperpage.... if query 1 is under offset, or has no results, use query 2, by offset until resultsperpage.... this right? |
| 03:07 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 03:13 | Genji | hmm.. sounds like i should code two new subroutines in Search.pm |
| 03:21 | Jo | Brendan: is east brunswick one of your libraries? |
| 03:21 | brendan | no |
| 03:21 | I think they are one of PTFS's first ones | |
| 03:21 | Jo | its using both syndetics and library tghing tags: https://librarycatalog.ebpl.or[…]iblionumber=59230 |
| 03:21 | brendan | cool |
| 03:21 | Jo | and that tag cloud and ability to 'hop' about the koha catalogue is what I'm after. |
| 03:21 | gmcharlt | yep, EBPL was among PTFS' first |
| 03:22 | Jo | i wonder if itsstraight forward 'koha 3.2' out of thebox. has their code been shred? |
| 03:22 | shared (sorry nursing a very sore hand and typing is crap) | |
| 03:23 | * brendan | thinks parts of have been shared |
| 03:23 | gmcharlt | the LTFL for libraries support is definitely in there |
| 03:23 | in 3.2, that is | |
| 03:23 | Jo | yep - just discovered the enhanced content sys admin tabs and working through seeing i might like to have |
| 03:24 | gmcharlt | IIUC, in order to be able to jump from LTFL tags to bibs in your Koha catalog, you send LT a dump of your MARC records or a list of the ISBNs that you have |
| 03:24 | Jo | but it would be permanetly out of date ... |
| 03:25 | it can't do it on the fly? | |
| 03:25 | brendan | thinking that you are correct with your U gmcharlt |
| 03:25 | gmcharlt | Jo: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Koha |
| 03:25 | brendan | I think they LT have methods for that updates being very quick... so not too far behind |
| 03:26 | Jo | what does IIUC mean ? |
| 03:26 | gmcharlt | if I understand correctly |
| 03:27 | Jo | oh :) |
| 03:27 | thankyou | |
| 03:28 | may have to file a work request for chris that "i want one like that" | |
| 03:28 | gmcharlt | HLT is running a 3.0.x now, right? |
| 03:29 | Jo | yep but we have 3.2 we are playing on |
| 03:29 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 03:29 | the LTFL setup is even easier in 3.2 | |
| 03:29 | Jo | well - actually a 2.2.9 live, a 3.0.x test site and a 3.2 playground |
| 03:29 | yep - i'm playing in 3.2 config now | |
| 03:30 | we were going to upgrade to 3.0 but decided to wait for 3.2 | |
| 03:30 | gmcharlt | it's worth the wait :) |
| 03:30 | Jo | yep - nods frantically :) |
| 03:30 | I'm very excited... we really have to go live march / april | |
| 03:31 | so hoping 3.2 stable will be available | |
| 03:31 | gmcharlt | it'll be there |
| 03:34 | Jo | yippee |
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| 03:48 | braedon|work | gmcharlt: do those lists of modules i added to the bug look ok/remotely useful? |
| 03:48 | gmcharlt | braedon|work: yes |
| 03:48 | tracking deps is a never-ending task - every bit helps | |
| 03:50 | braedon|work | :) |
| 03:50 | it was bit of a mish to track those down | |
| 03:50 | but they seem to be working for me now | |
| 03:53 | until someone updates something | |
| 03:53 | and then they will break again | |
| 03:56 | gmcharlt | and thus the circle of life continues |
| 03:57 | braedon|work | i really should chuck together a ppa of the cpan ones |
| 03:57 | cpan just gives SO many stupid issues | |
| 03:57 | some of which cpanp seems to be able to solve | |
| 03:58 | but that has it's own issues | |
| 03:59 | Jo | where does nicole live |
| 04:01 | gmcharlt | New Jersey |
| 04:06 | Jo | thanks. |
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| 04:16 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 04:16 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.8�C (8:11 PM PST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:24 | Jo | nigt all |
| 04:24 | brendan | night jo |
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| 06:06 | shamas | can any one give me any link for koha installation tutorial on a linux based web server on a domain |
| 06:07 | brendan | what type of linux? |
| 06:08 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]f34687e93;hb=HEAD | |
| 06:08 | that's for debian linux | |
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| 06:21 | shamas | fedora |
| 06:21 | i want for fedora | |
| 06:28 | wizzyrea_laptop | replace that debian-lenny with fedora |
| 06:28 | :P | |
| 06:28 | brendan | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]f9270fbd6;hb=HEAD |
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| 06:58 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 06:59 | brendan | morning Ropuch |
| 06:59 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 06:59 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 9.7�C (10:53 PM PST on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:01 | Ropuch | @wunder Wroclaw |
| 07:01 | munin | Ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is -5.0�C (7:30 AM CET on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
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| 07:48 | bigbrovar_ | @wunder Abuja |
| 07:48 | munin | bigbrovar_: The current temperature in Abuja, Nigeria is 24.0�C (7:00 AM WAT on February 11, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa. |
| 07:53 | brendan | night |
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| 10:00 | slef | Morning all. Anyone speculated what "could not agree upon financial terms" means yet? |
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| 10:03 | magnus | slef: no, have you? ;-) |
| 10:04 | slef | magnus: not yet, but I will if you want. ;-) |
| 10:04 | magnus | well, i jyst thaought they couldn't agree on the price... |
| 10:05 | slef | basically |
| 10:10 | I wonder if it means that PTFS offered less than would clear Metavore's financing http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pl[…]ues=OH00121149535 | |
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| 11:44 | gmcharlt | greetings #koha |
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| 12:09 | Colin | gmcharlt: In Makefile.PL authorities indexing mode defaults to grs1 elsewhere we recommend dom should this change? |
| 12:10 | gmcharlt | Colin: sounds good to me |
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| 12:10 | Colin | gmcharlt: I'll submit a patch |
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| 12:36 | jdavidb | Mornin', #koha. |
| 12:37 | Colin | morning jdavidb how's the snow? |
| 12:38 | jdavidb | Still in big piles all around the house. I'm hoping for some melting today. |
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| 12:39 | Colin | floods later then |
| 12:39 | jdavidb | Maybe. Shouldn't be too bad right here where I am; steep hills and a creek at the bottom to run it all away. |
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| 12:40 | jdavidb | mornin', jwagner. |
| 12:43 | jwagner | Morning. I think. |
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| 13:05 | nengard | I have just set up the newsletter page to redirect to the new koha-community site - just an FYI :) |
| 13:05 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 13:05 | nengard | getting ready for the publication of the newsletter on the 15th |
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| 13:09 | toins | hello world |
| 13:11 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 13:11 | @wunder 28334 | |
| 13:11 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -1.3�C (8:08 AM EST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 5 PM this afternoon to 10 am EST Saturday... |
| 13:13 | jdavidb | @wunder 20852 |
| 13:13 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -1.9�C (8:03 AM EST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:13 | hilongo | good morning everyone :) |
| 13:14 | @wunder Mendoza, Argentina | |
| 13:14 | munin | hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza Aerodrome, Argentina is 26.0�C (9:00 AM ART on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1008 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:15 | hilongo | not that I'd want to presume ... but it's nice weather here :) |
| 13:18 | a very newbie question ... how do I update my kohaclone with git? | |
| 13:21 | chris_n | hilongo: git fetch |
| 13:21 | then | |
| 13:21 | git rebase origin | |
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| 13:25 | magnus | doesn't "git pull" do the same thing? |
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| 13:26 | magnus | ...unless you have branches you are working on etc |
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| 13:29 | hilongo | thanks chris_n .. I have modified some files and git tells me that they need update... did that stopped the process? how do I know if it worked? |
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| 13:32 | chris_n | hilongo: if you have done work, you will need to commit it first |
| 13:32 | git add foo.pl | |
| 13:32 | git commit | |
| 13:32 | after committing all work then | |
| 13:32 | git rebase origin | |
| 13:33 | magnus: I'm not sure about pulling | |
| 13:34 | nengard | got a question about the url checker - i read the wiki page and I did this: |
| 13:34 | joetho | hello, testing |
| 13:34 | nengard | perl check-url.pl ?html ?htmldir=/kohaclone/koha-tmpl ?host=http://localhost:8080 |
| 13:35 | but i don't see an html file in the koha-tmpl directory ... | |
| 13:35 | chris_n | nengard: I'd guess it walks down that dir structure starting at that point |
| 13:36 | nengard | to where ?? :) |
| 13:36 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]-url_enhancements | |
| 13:36 | chris_n | opac-tmpl |
| 13:36 | intranet-tmpl | |
| 13:37 | ahh... I'm not sure | |
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| 13:37 | nengard | hehe :) |
| 13:37 | chris_n | nengard: I've a suggestion for the manual |
| 13:37 | nengard | yes? |
| 13:37 | chris_n | in the cron jobs section |
| 13:38 | perhaps including the info from perldoc on each script would be beneficial | |
| 13:38 | ie | |
| 13:38 | perldoc overdue_notices.pl | |
| 13:38 | etc | |
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| 13:38 | nengard | you want me to put the command to the perldoc? or the actual text from it? I can do either |
| 13:38 | chris_n | the output |
| 13:38 | nengard | k |
| 13:38 | can/will do | |
| 13:39 | chris_n | great, tnx! |
| 13:39 | nengard | np |
| 13:39 | * chris_n | has been using the manual quite a bit the last few days |
| 13:39 | chris_n | it is extremely helpful |
| 13:39 | gmcharlt | . |
| 13:40 | oops | |
| 13:40 | nengard: have a free punctuation mark - use it well | |
| 13:40 | chris_n | for a minute I thought we were at the end ;-) |
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| 13:43 | nengard | hehe |
| 13:46 | chris_n | question about the Notice Triggers logic |
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| 13:46 | kf | hi all |
| 13:47 | chris_n | the help says: Delay is the number of days after an issue is due before an action is triggered. |
| 13:47 | and a Delay value is required for the trigger to work | |
| 13:47 | so if I want to send an 'Advance Notice of Item Due' | |
| 13:47 | and I set a delay of 1 day | |
| 13:48 | then the advanced notice is not sent until 1 day after the item is due | |
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| 13:48 | chris_n | not quite advanced notice in my thinking |
| 13:48 | jwagner | chris_n, the advance notice doesn't use the notice triggers. Separate script. |
| 13:48 | chris_n | jwagner: so contrary to the help file, the advanced notice will be sent if the delay field is empty? |
| 13:48 | jwagner | Sorry, we lost our VPN connection for the moment, so I can't look, but check misc/cronjobs for the script. It needs to be cronned, and the # days set in the patron record. |
| 13:48 | owen | Hi all |
| 13:49 | jwagner | Morning, owen |
| 13:49 | chris_n | nengard: you might want to note that so the help can be corrected |
| 13:49 | or maybe I should open a bug for that? | |
| 13:50 | nengard | hmmm |
| 13:50 | so - delay is used for all but advanced notice? I can put that in the manual | |
| 13:50 | and the help | |
| 13:51 | jwagner | The delay is only used for the overdue notices, so far as I know. |
| 13:51 | nengard | wait - what page are we on ... |
| 13:51 | the notice triggers? | |
| 13:51 | cause isn't advanced notice handled by the patron using enhanced messages? | |
| 13:51 | jwagner | All the notice texts live under notices, but the notice triggers only are used for overdues. Somebody check me on that, but I think its right. |
| 13:52 | nengard | if that's the case then we need a bug |
| 13:52 | jdavidb | Mornin', owen. :) |
| 13:52 | nengard | so that the other notices can't be selected from the triggers page |
| 13:52 | jwagner | The patron messaging settings control whether/how many days a patron gets an advanced notice, whether the patron gets an email for holds triggered, etc. |
| 13:53 | chris_n | nengard: the issue is that the help on the overduerules.pl page incorrectly implies that the Delay field value is necessary for any notice to be processed |
| 13:53 | nengard | that i can fix, but we have a bigger issue as well |
| 13:53 | chris_n | which is, in fact, only true for overdue notices |
| 13:54 | of course the entire page is confusing as it claims to be defining overdue actions | |
| 13:54 | but in reality handles several types of notifications | |
| 13:55 | kf | chris_n: i can help with questions about overdue-notices |
| 13:55 | chris_n | including general announcements |
| 13:55 | kf | kf: testing them right now in all different combinations |
| 13:56 | chris_n | kf: we were just discussing the confusing help and general text in overduerules.pl |
| 13:57 | kf | ah ok, there are some other bad things about notice triggers |
| 13:57 | minimal value is 1 | |
| 13:57 | and dont use the default library - no notices will be sent | |
| 13:57 | chris_n | kf: so the script does not process any notices with a delay of less than 1? |
| 13:57 | kf | got no notice when I tried with 0 |
| 13:58 | only with 1 for the first notice | |
| 13:58 | this is the day after due date | |
| 13:58 | which is ok, because you can also sent itemdue and advances notices | |
| 13:58 | but a hint would be good | |
| 13:58 | chris_n | kf: so if I want an advanced notice sent , it will not send until 1 day *after* the item is due? |
| 13:58 | kf | overdue notices |
| 13:59 | nengard | chris_n - you are missing the point - the advanced notice shouldn't be on that triggers page at all cause it's handled on the enhanced messaging preferences on the patron record |
| 13:59 | kf | advances notices are sent before due date |
| 13:59 | chris_n | nengard: big bug then :) |
| 13:59 | a blocker imho | |
| 14:00 | nengard | unless I too am misunderstanding |
| 14:00 | kf | I dont understand the problem |
| 14:00 | jwagner | I don't think it's a blocker, necessarily, but it definitely needs more explanatory text. |
| 14:00 | chris_n | kf: so if I set up an advanced notice do I have to set a delay? |
| 14:01 | * chris_n | is confused as to whether the functionality is broken or just the documentation |
| 14:01 | jwagner | chris_n, the delay is set in the patron record -- the Enhanced Messaging section. You can do a global db update to set the same delay for everyone. |
| 14:02 | kf | yes, or define the delay in patron type and import your new patrons after that :) |
| 14:02 | jwagner | If you edit the patron categories and set up your desired settings there for advance notice, holds, etc., then any time you create a new patron it will pick up the settings automatically. But there's no easy way short of a SQL update to modify existing records. |
| 14:03 | chris_n | so then what is the Delay field for on the overduerules.pl page? |
| 14:03 | kf | advanced notice = before due date and item due = due date are handled in advanced messaging, overdue notices in notice triggers |
| 14:03 | nengard | chris_n - it should only be for overdue notices, but that's the part that needs fixing |
| 14:04 | right now you can pick it for anything | |
| 14:04 | jwagner | It's a documentation/screen display issue. |
| 14:04 | kf | for overdue notices, days after due date |
| 14:04 | jwagner | Ideally the notice triggers page should only filter/show overdue notices in the pulldowns. If that's not possible, at least some screen text about "this is only for overdue notices" |
| 14:05 | chris_n | so it sounds to me like the overduerules.pl page needs an overhaul |
| 14:05 | kf | jwagner: right. but its nice you can create as many notice templates as you want and choose there |
| 14:06 | jwagner | Right. As I said, I'm not logged in right now so I can't look. Is there anything in the settings that says "this notice is for overdues" as opposed to "this notice is for circ stuff"? I don't remember. |
| 14:06 | kf | perhaps a new option for notices - module overdue notices and show only those on notice triggers page |
| 14:06 | i think it shows all from circulation | |
| 14:07 | chris_n | I'm going to open two bugs then: one for the documentation and one for a general rework of overduerules.pl |
| 14:07 | jwagner | Then yes, kf, making a new notice modules just for overdues & having the notice triggers only show those would work. |
| 14:08 | kf | serials routing list and claim serial issues are already differnet modules, so its not really koha modules in this list |
| 14:08 | * jwagner | stamps my foot and pouts. I want my VPN connection back! |
| 14:11 | nengard | jwagner you need to install virtualbox and then Koha on that - so you don't need vpn |
| 14:11 | * chris_n | empathizes with jwagner |
| 14:11 | kf | ah, im quoted in bugzilla |
| 14:11 | chris_n | when mine is down, I have to drive about 30 mins to fix it :-P |
| 14:11 | kf: sometimes that is the easiest way to describe the issue :) | |
| 14:12 | * jdavidb | makes a not to go visit jwagner, and set her up a virtualbox sandbox or two or three. |
| 14:12 | then turns the not into a note. | |
| 14:13 | nengard | okay - i kind of go lost - what's the deal with the triggers? I think an easy fix is to remove the default advanced notice that's found in there - that at least solved part of the problem? right? |
| 14:14 | jwagner | Sorry, my workmen are here so I got called away. I hope they get the VPN up soon :-( |
| 14:14 | chris_n | nengard: probably consulting with jwagner and kf will be better as my understanding is very poor atm |
| 14:15 | kf | chris_n: I m not always sure my english is really understandable |
| 14:15 | chris_n | kf: I understand you just fine :) |
| 14:15 | jwagner | nengard, the problem is that the triggers page allows selection of other types of notices, including advance notices, that aren't controlled by the overdues script |
| 14:15 | nengard | chris_n i think that originally the advanced notice was going to be handled by those triggers, but then it was added to the patron enahnced messaging moduel |
| 14:16 | kf | and please remove default library or make it work! |
| 14:16 | chris_n | kf: please add that to bug 4171 |
| 14:16 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4171 enhancement, P5, ---, cnighswonger foundations.edu, NEW, overduerules.pl needs an overhaul |
| 14:17 | chris_n | nengard: that would also be good to add to that bug |
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| 14:21 | gmcharlt | @later tell wizzyrea submitted patch for bug 4169 - would appreciate it if you could try it out before I push it |
| 14:21 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:23 | nengard | chris_n - done |
| 14:23 | kf | chris_n: there is already a bug for that |
| 14:24 | bug 3393 | |
| 14:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3393 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Default branches and overdues notices |
| 14:24 | nengard | chris_n - on another note -- related to perldoc - looks like not all crons have docs :( "No documentation found for "rebuild_zebra.pl"." |
| 14:24 | kf | perhaps its working now, my last tests were with 3.1.61 |
| 14:25 | chris_n | nengard: you can also try perl foo.pl --help |
| 14:25 | just in case the usage docs are not in POD format | |
| 14:26 | nengard | ah - k |
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| 14:29 | chris_n | gmcharlt: this does not appear to have made it into HEAD: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]chment.cgi?id=897 |
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| 14:37 | gmcharlt | chris_n: patch was questionable: http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]-July/003924.html |
| 14:38 | not that that prevented it from being pushed to 3.0.x *sigh* | |
| 14:38 | chris_n | ahh... so it needs to be revived |
| 14:41 | gmcharlt | it needs more thought and a new patch |
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| 14:51 | kf | cant we just delete the default library from the template for 3.2? is really annoying if you dont know about the bug |
| 14:52 | gmcharlt | that would be a regression (loss of functionality) |
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| 14:56 | gmcharlt | the current patch for bug 3393 needs work, but once it's cleaned up and sufficiently tested, it can be pushed |
| 14:56 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3393 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Default branches and overdues notices |
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| 15:06 | schuster | Well only 12.5 inches of snow in Dallas - all schools/universities closed - but guess what I'm here at work or I have to take a day of vacation!!! |
| 15:06 | owen | "only" 12.5 inches schuster? |
| 15:06 | schuster | No snowplows, very little sand - and still hovering around 32 degrees... won't melt until tomorrow... |
| 15:07 | "only" - largest single snowfall in history... | |
| 15:07 | for Dallas. | |
| 15:08 | owen | My library only closes if it's a "Level 3 snow emergency" as called by the county sheriff. Otherwise it's work or take a vacation day. |
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| 15:13 | kf | :( I dont understand koha - i have fine interval 2 days and get fines to days in a row? |
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| 15:14 | kf | 2 days in a row... |
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| 15:15 | kf | I think fine intervals > 1 have some serious bugs or I just dont understand how its supposed to work |
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| 15:18 | kf | will wait till monday and file a bug report with all details, curious what will happen on the weekend |
| 15:18 | * jdavidb | grumbles a collection of pejoratives and insults in two or three different languages, and includes the term "Verizon"... |
| 15:20 | kf | \me makes it collective grumbling |
| 15:21 | * chris_n | adds to the general grumbling |
| 15:21 | * kf | grumbling |
| 15:21 | kf | ah, / :) |
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| 15:22 | schuster | Ah - cable modem with Time warner happiness... |
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| 15:22 | schuster | nengard here? |
| 15:22 | * jdavidb | throws a snowball at schuster. |
| 15:22 | nengard | here |
| 15:22 | chris_n | kf: does it not seem that the default messaging preferences table on cateogrie.pl should show regardless of the EnhancedMessagingPreferences setting? |
| 15:22 | schuster | ducks and pushes the snow covered car across the parking lot. |
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| 15:23 | schuster | I've talked with my boss about a newsletter article - as politics go in red tape I will write one, but it has to go through the communications department before it can be released. |
| 15:23 | I doubt we will get one this month, but we can target for next month. It took us 5 months to get a press release out with LibLime... | |
| 15:26 | kf | kf: no, I think the setting activates / deactivates the feature, so it should not be there when off |
| 15:27 | chris_n: sorry - its friday. | |
| 15:27 | chris_n: I think ther is a bug for an opac setting, so that users cant / can change it in opac | |
| 15:27 | * chris_n | understands completely... friday is second only to monday |
| 15:27 | chris_n | kf: yes, jwagner has submitted a patch I believe |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | one could argue that it's time to get rid of EnhancedMessagingPreferences as a syspref and just leave it on |
| 15:27 | kf | chris_n: we had software training all week - still reading mails and sorting through them right now |
| 15:27 | chris_n | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:27 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
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| 15:28 | kf | but I think it works like it was supposed to atm :) |
| 15:28 | chris_n | only with the ability to control whether or not the patron has any say |
| 15:28 | ie. we will spam you with notices ;-) | |
| 15:28 | kf | yes :) |
| 15:28 | jwagner | kf, yes I did a patch a while back, but it hasn't made it into head yet. I still can't get to anything -- search bugzilla for message tab or messaging tab. Don't remember if I attached the patch file to the bug report, probably not :-( |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | agreed - the subsystem is just there, but patron may/may not have control |
| 15:28 | nengard | chris_n -- http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bi[…]a5fd0ea61e2da7cc4 |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | jwagner: if you find me the bug number ... |
| 15:29 | nengard | schuster - make it short and sweet - 1 para max is fine - not looking for a press type document |
| 15:30 | jwagner | gmcharlt, I'm trying to search bugzilla, not finding it right now. |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | not sure that helps his communications department, though |
| 15:30 | nengard: is there an item about the 3.4 project roles? | |
| 15:31 | kf | bug 2434 |
| 15:31 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Disable Enhanced Messaging Columns Not In Use |
| 15:31 | kf | but no patch there |
| 15:31 | nengard | gmcharlt yes and no - i took your email summary of the irc meeting and put that in - that had some of the roles |
| 15:31 | chris_n | nengard: cool |
| 15:31 | gmcharlt | nengard: should add fredericd then, as he's the new translation manager |
| 15:32 | jwagner | If I ever get back into my desktop I'll check for the patch/bug # on it. |
| 15:33 | kf | hm I see that the description of finesCalendar is differnt now in head |
| 15:34 | schuster | gmcharlt - did you get my 2 patches? |
| 15:34 | nengard | gmcharlt added |
| 15:34 | kf | Calculate fines based on days overdue directly / not include the days the library is closed - so I cant deactivate the calendar to get fines on holidays? (this is what I wanted to do - so I can send out notices the same day as fine is charged - notices dont look for the calendar at all ) |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | schuster: yep -still looking at them |
| 15:35 | schuster: I see that fredericd added some comments to the bug regarding your check-url patch | |
| 15:35 | * kf | grumbles a bit more |
| 15:38 | chris_n | jwagner: I cannot seem to find the bug, but would be interested in the patch |
| 15:39 | jwagner | I found the syspref on one of my systems that has it loaded -- syspref is named opacmsgtab & controls whether or not the tab shows. But until I can get into my mail and desktop, I can't find the bug # or date I sent the patch. |
| 15:39 | * jwagner | curses and grumbles at our building mgt -- apparently there have been major electrical problems in the building this morning. |
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| 15:43 | jwagner | Found the bugzilla entry -- Bug 3535 and it looks like the patch file is attached. |
| 15:43 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3535 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagnerptfs.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Add syspref to control display of My Messaging tab in OPAC |
| 15:44 | jwagner | I submitted the patch on August 17, looks like it never went anywhere. |
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| 15:46 | chris_n | quick! another kitten on the floor! |
| 15:46 | jwagner | Meowwwwww |
| 15:48 | chris_n | imho it seems that overdue notices could be wrapped up in the same code |
| 15:48 | errr... code for messaging in general that is | |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | chris_n I think I"m with you on that |
| 15:49 | jwagner | chris_n, you mean into the OPAC tab code? I think that should probably be kept separate. |
| 15:49 | That's just a display on/off switch for the OPAC, doesn't do anything substantive on staff side. | |
| 15:50 | * jwagner | redirects my cursing to Pepco -- they apparently cut the power to our building for a while. |
| 15:50 | chris_n | jwagner: sorry, I jumped trains of thought there |
| 15:51 | * jwagner | starts singing Wreck of the Old '97.... |
| 15:51 | chris_n | I meant all messaging be rolled into one |
| 15:51 | this interface is *much* less confusing than the overduerules.pl interface | |
| 15:51 | jwagner | It really does annoy me that you have to have Enhanced Messaging on just to be able to send emails when holds are triggered. Even if you don't want to use the other stuff like SMS, advance notice, etc. |
| 15:53 | chris_n | why not have the messaging on always and default to do not send? |
| 15:54 | jwagner | My biggest gripe is with the SMS option always showing. If it's there, patrons think it's functional, but it requires additional setup on the staff end & library may not want to use it at all. |
| 15:56 | kf | chris_n: I dont think you can use one interface - for example I think there is dev for itemtype instead of patron category - so it would not work as a standard setting for patron category |
| 15:56 | jwagner | Yippee! I think my desktop is back up. Back in a few. |
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| 15:57 | schuster | gmcharlt - thanks I've commented back. |
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| 15:59 | schuster | Being a newb - I will comment to our programmer about the comments, but I am not sure he will know how to handle the request. Hmmm now I can see an edit on the cataloging page with a link to the document if it exists. |
| 16:00 | * chris_n | finds it a bit further maddening that there are two messaging modules in the code :-P |
| 16:03 | schuster | Thoughts about where this page should live? We dropped it in /kohaclone/ directory - but based on the .pl we left that up to whoever is setting it up to direct the output and filename. |
| 16:04 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 16:04 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 8.1�C (8:01 AM PST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:07 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 16:07 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 1.8�C (11:04 AM EST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:14 | chris_n | borrower_message_preferences looks like it could get big fast |
| 16:14 | kf | chris_n: there are many maddening things with notices and fines :( |
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| 16:16 | schuster | nengard - check-url.pl question - |
| 16:16 | nengard | okay - but i haven't gotten it to work yet ... |
| 16:17 | schuster | you indicate where you want the output to be put and filename. perl check-url.pl -html -htmldir=/kohaclone/checkurl.html -host=http://localhost:8080 |
| 16:17 | nengard | OH! |
| 16:17 | got it | |
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| 16:17 | schuster | -htmldir=/kohaclone/ tells the pl where to put the output and the checkurl.html - is the file it creates you can name it whatever you want. |
| 16:18 | then once it completes you can go to http://localhost:8080/checkurl.html - to see the output with links to the bib. | |
| 16:18 | jwagner | schuster, you're talking about the default of where to put the output? I'd suggest someplace that's normally web accessible, like somewhere under the koha-tmpl tree. |
| 16:19 | schuster | yes - remember this is a cron job so the person doing the cron can assign it -htmldir=/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/..../checkforbadurl.html |
| 16:20 | I was wondering about if we did that we could actually add the file name etc... to the koha tools page for easier access or let the admin tell the cataloger where to find the file? | |
| 16:21 | anything in /kohaclone/ is web accessible so that is where we dropped it on my server. | |
| 16:21 | FYI it runs on 3.00.042 if anyone is interested in playing with it jwagner... | |
| 16:22 | jwagner | Not set up for it yet, schuster, but I'll look forward to it. |
| 16:22 | schuster | you should be able to just drop it into the cron directory and make it go... |
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| 16:38 | kf | ok, time to leave here :) have a nice weekend all! |
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| 16:50 | wizzyrea | jwagner: did your stress level go way down :) |
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| 16:55 | schuster | question - so I "upgraded" my .42 database to 3.00.01.116 yesterday and it sucked up 6 gig of space on this little laptop of mine. Will I gain any of that back as I'm almost out of HD space now. |
| 16:56 | 3.00.01.116 - was the about page version of what I pulled I think on Monday from HEAD. | |
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| 17:00 | jwagner | wizzyrea, my stress level is being affected in too many ways right now to notice a difference! |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | schuster I'm amazedy you made it to work today |
| 17:11 | 12.5in! | |
| 17:11 | in Texas! | |
| 17:11 | jwagner | At least schuster knows how we feel, now. (Yes, I know you're from up North, but time dulls those memories, right?) |
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| 17:15 | Ropuch | Woo-hoo, I've got new laptop |
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| 17:15 | Ropuch | Evening everybody |
| 17:16 | brendan | good evening Ropuch |
| 17:17 | Ropuch | Hi brendan |
| 17:17 | gmcharlt | hi Ropuch |
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| 17:18 | * chris_n | watches everyone quitting |
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| 17:22 | schuster | Great snow for making snowpeople etc... Not cold just wet and sticky. But tonight it is supposed to FREEZE again so tomorrow morning will be bad but almost 50 tomorrow afternoon. |
| 17:22 | @wunder 75074 | |
| 17:22 | munin | schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 2.7�C (11:15 AM CST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.47 in 997.9 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:24 | jdavidb | I hear there are all sorts of snowpeople on the National Mall right now. Big open space, tons of wet sticky snow. Someone apparently even built a snow Capitol. |
| 17:24 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 17:24 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -12.0�C (11:15 AM CST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:24 | jdavidb | @wunder 20852 |
| 17:24 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 2.7�C (12:13 PM EST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Steady). |
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| 17:25 | gmcharlt | schuster: to say nothing of snow Daleks - http://www.boingboing.net/2010[…]alek-attacks.html |
| 17:25 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: awesome |
| 17:26 | jdavidb | lol! That looks unpleasantly like some of our Congresspeople. |
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| 17:31 | jwagner | gmcharlt, where's the Doctor when you need him??? |
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| 17:38 | moodaepo | gmcharlt++ #EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! |
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| 17:46 | schuster | One high school yesterday in Dallas they called the cops to stop the 400 kids and the snowball fight they were having. They couldn't get the kids back into the school to go to class. |
| 17:46 | jwagner | But you learn more about life during a snowball fight than you do in a classroom :-) |
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| 17:55 | * collum | had to go to wfaa.com to see if it was his alma mater. It wasn't. |
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| 18:00 | nengard | just finished recording the Feb edition of the Library 2.0 Gang and John Yokley was our guest to talk about the future of the open source ILS - keep an eye out for it here: http://librarygang.talis.com/ |
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| 18:03 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 18:03 | wow | |
| 18:03 | timing, we has it | |
| 18:04 | cait | hi all |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | hi cait |
| 18:04 | cait | hi wizzyrea |
| 18:04 | :) | |
| 18:07 | gmcharlt | lol |
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| 18:41 | joetho | breaking up just a few days before Valentines Day is just awful. |
| 18:42 | moodaepo | whatever |
| 18:42 | joetho | goodbye, dear PTFS |
| 18:42 | What coulda been. | |
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| 18:46 | wizzyrea | I think you're farewelling the wrong party, joetho |
| 18:47 | * jwagner | looks around. Yes, I'm still here :-) |
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| 18:50 | cait | :) |
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| 18:51 | wajasu | @wunder 75214 |
| 18:51 | munin | wajasu: The current temperature in Sebastian Construction Group - Beverly Drive Jobsite, Highland Park, Texas is 2.8�C (12:48 PM CST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady). |
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| 19:33 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 19:33 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 3.4�C (2:30 PM EST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). |
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| 19:38 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:38 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.8�C (8:31 PM CET on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
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| 19:43 | * jdavidb | thinks he likes it better in Maryland than in Konstanz. Brr! |
| 19:43 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 19:43 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -10.0�C (1:35 PM CST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:44 | jwagner | Nope, not moving to Minnesota any time soon... |
| 19:44 | * moodaepo | thinks jdavidb showuld come up north and go ice fishing |
| 19:44 | cait | jdavidb: brrr! |
| 19:44 | jwagner | I used to live in Boston, & spent a lot of time in Maine. There's a saying I've heard about both Maine and Minnesota: 40 below keeps the riffraff out! |
| 19:45 | moodaepo | heh |
| 19:46 | jwagner | Speaking of ice fishing, one of my most cherished memories of wandering around Maine in late winter was a parking lot next to a lake. Lots of vehicles out on the frozen lake with people ice fishing. |
| 19:46 | In the parking lot, a truck with a sign on it reading "Underwater Recovery Specialists" | |
| 19:46 | jdavidb | moodaepo: The one time I went ice fishing, I kept hearing this loud voice, every time I'd get ready to cut into the ice, saying, "There are no fish under the ice..." I finally said, "Lord, if they're not here, where are they?" and the voice replied, "This is not God. This is the rink announcer... |
| 19:48 | moodaepo | jdavidb: Nice. I have to say I am an expat from Chicago and have not gone ice fishing in the 5 years I'm been round these parts. Might do it just to tell the city folks I've done and gone native : ) |
| 19:48 | jdavidb | My tale is not uncommon for persons who attempt ice-fishing in Dallas. |
| 19:48 | jwagner | You mean you can't fish for ice cubes in the freezer? |
| 19:50 | jdavidb | lol |
| 19:51 | The fish in my freezer don't put up much of a fight. Easy sport; my kinda sport. | |
| 19:54 | cait | @wunder hannover, germany |
| 19:54 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is -4.0�C (8:20 PM CET on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:55 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:55 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.9�C (8:51 PM CET on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:04 | schuster | The scarry thing is I have family member with "ice houses" for Ice fishing... Some of them are nicer than their living rooms. |
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| 20:09 | schuster | Anyone try with 3.2 to load a LARGE batch of borrowers? I'm getting a cgi script timeout message in the koha logs. and the web page goes to a 404. |
| 20:09 | Is there someplace to change the timeout length? | |
| 20:09 | gmcharlt | schuster: after about 10 minutes? |
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| 20:12 | schuster_32 | error from error log - for borrower import - Timeout waiting for output from CGI script /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/tools/import_borrowers.pl, referer: |
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| 20:13 | gmcharlt | schuster_32: there's an Apache config setting to can change the timeout |
| 20:13 | but in practice, try splitting up the import file | |
| 20:14 | schuster_32 | Yeah that was my next attempt to take just a few to make sure it wasn't an import problem. |
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| 20:17 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt++ for fixing the bulk item editor |
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| 20:20 | Ropuch | wizzyrea: nengard told me about some documentation issue |
| 20:20 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x3991#AEN4101 | |
| 20:20 | I guess it's another lame-regexp thing | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | yea, i'm working on it (not right this very second, but it is on my list) |
| 20:21 | nah, actually tidy was causing almost all of the problems | |
| 20:21 | Ropuch | Oh |
| 20:23 | * wizzyrea | is amused |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | library just emailed me: I can't get my catalog link to work |
| 20:23 | ./me looks at the link | |
| 20:24 | http://192.168.1.21/therestofit | |
| 20:24 | Ropuch | um... |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | are you inside or outside of your own network |
| 20:24 | I'm at home | |
| 20:24 | yea, honey, that won't work | |
| 20:24 | >.> | |
| 20:24 | Ropuch | :) |
| 20:24 | chris_n | heh |
| 20:24 | * wizzyrea | facepalms |
| 20:25 | Ropuch | It's not that suprising, some time ago some student emailed me 192.168. adress with question, so ;> |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | no, it's not surprising, it's just amusing to me |
| 20:26 | "But it works in the library!!! It must be my website..." | |
| 20:26 | * wizzyrea | provides hosting for this site |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | it's always something wrong on my end ;) |
| 20:26 | never their fault. | |
| 20:27 | * wizzyrea | goes back in her hole. |
| 20:27 | Ropuch | Uh, I can't get used my new laptop keyboard |
| 20:28 | home/end/pgup/pgdn are tiny and above numeric pad, just below power button | |
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| 20:38 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 20:38 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 2.0�C (3:21 PM EST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 am EST Saturday... |
| 20:39 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 20:39 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.5�C (12:32 PM PST on February 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:39 | brendan | geeze chris_n it seems that everytime you check the weather it's either flooding or winter storms |
| 20:39 | jwagner | chris_n, you're not planning to send any of that winter storm up our direction are you? We don't want it! |
| 20:41 | Ropuch | Mayve it's 'set' the weather of |
| 20:41 | Instead of 'show' one option of munin ;> | |
| 20:41 | pianohackr|work | Ropuch: tiny keyboard changes are the root of all evil |
| 20:42 | Ropuch | pianohackr|work: yep |
| 20:43 | 'design award winner' keyboard, I have been warned ;> | |
| 20:43 | chris_n | we'll take all the snow you want to send us jwager :-) |
| 20:43 | brendan: they say if you don't like the weather in NC just wait a minute | |
| 20:44 | pianohackr|work: heya | |
| 20:44 | pianohackr|work | my current one has a giant enter key shoving up the backslash, it may well drive me mad |
| 20:44 | anyway, hi chris_n | |
| 20:45 | jwagner | chris_n, don't say that too loudly -- the metro area is running out of places to pile up all the snow that's been scooped up off the streets. They might be willing to send it to you :-) |
| 20:45 | pianohackr|work | You know, here in colorado of all places it was _60°_ a month ago |
| 20:45 | Some drunken weather god at the controls this winter... | |
| 20:46 | chris_n | jwagner: I grew up in northern VA and worked in Fairfax for awhile... I remember well |
| 20:46 | brendan | hiya pianohacker|work |
| 20:46 | gosh darn it | |
| 20:46 | pianohackr|work | Hehe |
| 20:46 | Think web 2.0 pianos | |
| 20:46 | brendan | pianohackr|work |
| 20:46 | pianohackr|work | How are you, brendan? |
| 20:47 | brendan | going well |
| 20:47 | any news from your front | |
| 20:48 | re: college | |
| 20:49 | pianohackr|work | Not yet. Still hanging in the balance |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | ropuch: you'll be happy to see - http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 20:49 | it's still not quite complete | |
| 20:49 | brendan | ah.. best of luck err... skill piano |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | openjade is dumb about errors on non-sgml |
| 20:50 | but... it works :D | |
| 20:50 | Ropuch | :) |
| 20:50 | schuster | OK was able to load a small portion of my patrons.. WHEW... |
| 20:50 | pianohackr|work | brendan: When I'm accepted, it's skill, rejections are bad luck :) |
| 20:51 | brendan | makes sense :) |
| 20:53 | Ropuch | I took 37 minutes on fresh system to get to webinstaller login |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | that's pretty good ropuch |
| 20:54 | Ropuch | Guess I can name the manual "Koha in an hour" |
| 20:54 | ;> | |
| 20:54 | brendan | with virtual images you can get it down to about 3 minutes :) |
| 20:54 | Ropuch | Downloading was about 1/3 of the time |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea: plus downloading Vbox & image :> | |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | hee |
| 21:00 | jwagner | Have a good weekend, everyone. Holiday here on Monday. Boy, could I use one (where I could get out of the house, that is). |
| 21:02 | pianohackr|work | Bye, jane, good luck with the snow :) |
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| 21:09 | wizzyrea | hrm, something crucial is missing in the lenny install docs: updating your sources :/ |
| 21:09 | apt-get update, I think | |
| 21:09 | I will add it | |
| 21:14 | schuster | well just got the email at 3:08 that we are free to go home at 3 today have a nice weekend... funny,, |
| 21:14 | brendan | cya later #koha |
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| 21:17 | wizzyrea | heh, later peeps :) |
| 21:17 | pianohackr|work | bye |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | oh, I'm not going, was just saying bye to schuster and brendad |
| 21:18 | brendan* | |
| 21:18 | pianohackr|work | Hehe, okay, wasn't sure :) |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | has anybody besides liblime made a koha AMI for EC2? |
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| 21:28 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: AMI? WTFACRONYMBBQ |
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| 21:29 | wizzyrea | Amazon Machine Image :P |
| 21:29 | pianohackr|work | Ah, ok |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | like a vbox image for Elastic Compute Cloud |
| 21:29 | (EC2) | |
| 21:29 | pianohackr|work | right |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | this may be another of my projects on my never ending list of projects :P |
| 21:30 | biglego | time for the followup question to my creating a new tool link yesterday |
| 21:30 | chris | wow, go to camp and deals explode |
| 21:31 | biglego | are there some generic include and template files to start with or do i need to start carving up some of the ones already there |
| 21:31 | pianohackr|work | biglego: The latter, unfortunately |
| 21:32 | Fortunately, many of the tools are recent additions, so the code's reasonably clean | |
| 21:32 | biglego | any recommendations on the most generic to start with |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | ya, things just went all esplodey |
| 21:33 | pianohackr|work | biglego: Depends a bit on what you plan to do |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | I wonder if in the install script, since the git documentation on the wiki suggests kohaclone as the directory, we should make the install instructions mirror that |
| 21:34 | so suggest /home/X/kohaclone instead of /home/X/koha-dev | |
| 21:35 | or change the wiki >.. | |
| 21:35 | >.> | |
| 21:35 | and the installation script, too | |
| 21:35 | pianohackr|work | Hrm. I think kohaclone as the git tree and koha-dev as the base install directory is the convention |
| 21:35 | biglego: Also, it sounds like you're editing the files in the extracted source archive, and not the actual installed ones | |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | scratch that, you're right |
| 21:36 | of course you are right. lol | |
| 21:36 | strike that last suggestion | |
| 21:37 | pianohackr|work | I personally use a different directory, but I'm obsessive-compulsive like that |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | eh, tis your right. :) |
| 21:38 | biglego | pianohacker I am, what I do is just rename my working directory as I try things out. I'm kinda new to this whole development thing so i'm bumbling along |
| 21:38 | pianohackr|work | I think the existing names are a teensy bit confusing, but whatever :) |
| 21:38 | biglego | scratch that I am working with the installed files in my directory |
| 21:39 | pianohackr|work | biglego: If you're doing many custom changes at all, you might want to look into http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage |
| 21:39 | biglego | usr/share/koha |
| 21:39 | pianohackr|work | Some learning time to start, but it will make your life ten times easier in the long run |
| 21:40 | biglego | probably a worthwhile investment |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | can you turn on the memcached support after install time? I'd like to test it out (at some point) but not right now |
| 21:40 | chris | yes you can |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | kool |
| 21:40 | ty | |
| 21:40 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: Yup, you just have to add a couple lines to your koha-conf.xml |
| 21:40 | chris | you just need to add 2 lines to the conf fle |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | so... I would add 2 lines to the conf file then? |
| 21:40 | ;) | |
| 21:40 | i tease, I tease | |
| 21:40 | pianohackr|work | Yes, something like that :) |
| 21:42 | * chris_n | submits a script to mass update patron's notification preferences |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | OMG |
| 21:43 | seriously>?! | |
| 21:43 | * wizzyrea | loves chris_n even more now |
| 21:43 | chris_n | very |
| 21:43 | cait | chris_n++ |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | do you know we paid to have that done |
| 21:43 | as DB maintenance | |
| 21:43 | a couple of times, actually | |
| 21:44 | chris_n | I'd ask for a refund... ;-) |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | so I am SO happy to see that |
| 21:44 | lol | |
| 21:44 | nah | |
| 21:44 | chris_n | I won't ask who you paid to do it |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | oh you know who |
| 21:45 | cait | voldemort? |
| 21:45 | biglego | stupid git question follows |
| 21:45 | cait | sorry... |
| 21:45 | chris_n | wizzyrea: here you are http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]ruary/005570.html |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | that is brilliant, thanks for doing that |
| 21:46 | chris_n | you can even just update one or two if you like |
| 21:46 | or 50 | |
| 21:46 | or all | |
| 21:47 | biglego | in a nutshell i install the latest greatest Head master, and then use it to write my changes to the files I edit |
| 21:47 | then I can rollback to originals if I screw up my clone | |
| 21:47 | pianohackr|work | basically, yes |
| 21:48 | biglego | okay i thought i had the concept |
| 21:48 | pianohackr|work | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]/gittutorial.html might be useful, though you can skip some steps as you're starting with an existing project |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | and these guys (and gals) are very patient/helpful to git nubs. |
| 21:49 | * wizzyrea | is a git nub |
| 21:49 | pianohackr|work | chris_n: One very tiny code nitpick I see is !$a && !$b rather than !($a || $b), though that's as much personal preference as anything |
| 21:49 | cait | 3.4 - 3.2 is not released and I already long for 3.4 features :) |
| 21:49 | pianohackr|work | hehe |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea: I think chris is the only one of us who _isn't_ a git nub. It takes a little getting used to :) | |
| 21:50 | * chris_n | is sure his coding style very much stands to be improved ;-) |
| 21:51 | biglego | cool the bar i'm hiding from the snow in has powerstrips at each booth |
| 21:51 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: there was a time when the Koha git reference page came up pretty high on a google search on 'git tutorial' |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | it *is* a pretty epic tutorial, actually. I use it *all the time* |
| 21:52 | biglego | so another stupid question should I reinstall with git or is there away to update my current install via git to the most current. |
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| 21:53 | biglego | I guess I should just go ahead and get on the 3.2 bandwagon anyway |
| 21:53 | pianohackr|work | I think reinstalling from scratch is a _bit_ easier, though you can keep your db |
| 21:54 | Do in-place 3.0.x -> 3.2 master upgrades work? | |
| 21:54 | Ropuch | I've just updated 3.00.05 to head with no errors |
| 21:54 | HA! | |
| 21:54 | pianohackr|work | Ropuch++ |
| 21:54 | biglego | i'm on 3.04 |
| 21:54 | Ropuch | pianohackr|work: all bugsquasher++ |
| 21:54 | gmcharlt | pianohackr|work: not quite yet - you have to deal with some DB errors and the like |
| 21:54 | pianohackr|work | ahh, okay |
| 21:55 | Ropuch | I've just installed head, imported my sql dump and run the installer |
| 21:55 | chris_n | k, time to leave... can't stand the fun any longer :-) |
| 21:55 | biglego | as long as I can import my patrons and bibs i don't mind recreating config settings I spent a good deal of time simplifying |
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| 22:33 | wizzyrea | brendan: it's the weekend, no working! |
| 22:33 | brendan | heh - gotta answer a question then I'm gone |
| 22:33 | same to you too :) | |
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| 22:45 | wizzyrea | 18 minutes :) |
| 22:47 | the installer was smooth as butter. Love it. | |
| 22:47 | pianohackr|work | has it changed? |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | I had a lot less trouble this time, fwiw |
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| 22:49 | wizzyrea | that is to say, followed the docs on a clean install, and was able to do it step for step (with one tiny change) |
| 22:49 | so either 1. i'm smarter or 2. it's smarter. | |
| 22:49 | :P | |
| 22:49 | maybe both | |
| 22:52 | pianohackr|work | Or 3. You're slowly getting numb to its breed of insanity |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | no, I don't think that's it |
| 22:52 | but it's funny all the same | |
| 23:39 | pianohackr|work | In case anybody cares; the step where you install dselect to apply the package selections on a lenny installed can be replaced with an apt-get dselect-upgrade, afaict |
| 23:40 | cait | good night :) |
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| 23:41 | pianohackr|work | slef: around? |
| 23:48 | chris_n | does overdue_notices.pl log to anywhere? |
| 23:48 | pianohackr|work | I don't think so, besides stdout |
| 23:49 | It can output failed messages as csv, but that's basically it | |
| 23:52 | chris_n | hmm |
| 23:52 | perl overdue_notices.pl -csv | |
| 23:52 | name;surname;address1;address2;zipcode;city;country;email;itemcount;itemsinfo | |
| 23:52 | is all I get | |
| 23:52 | and no emails | |
| 23:52 | pianohackr|work | There is a verbose flag |
| 23:58 | rhcl_away left #koha |
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