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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:04 | richard | bob are you about? |
| 00:04 | ack, wrong # | |
| 00:05 | chris_n | gmcharlt++ |
| 00:09 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 00:09 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -12.7�C (6:05 PM CST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Rising). |
| 00:11 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 00:11 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.8�C (4:07 PM PST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:11 | nod | http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ |
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| 00:15 | chris_n | nice website! |
| 00:15 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 00:16 | joetho | yeah, she'll probably lock us out in a few months. |
| 00:16 | @karma wizzyrea | |
| 00:16 | munin | joetho: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 53 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 53. |
| 00:22 | joetho left #koha | |
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| 00:41 | chris_n | wb jdavidb |
| 00:41 | jdavidb | ty, chris_n. |
| 00:47 | pianohackr|work | apt-get -b source needs a "I am not a paranoid basement-dweller, please disable the 30 minute long test suite" flag |
| 00:52 | chris | back |
| 00:52 | gmcharlt: yes should be fine | |
| 00:52 | gmcharlt | cool, 'cause I did it half an hour ago ;) |
| 00:53 | chris | hehe |
| 00:53 | sweet | |
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| 00:56 | CGI155 | hello |
| 00:56 | mao | how are you |
| 01:00 | tim left #koha | |
| 01:04 | chris_n | lol pianohackr|work |
| 01:04 | apt-get --install_NOW! -b source | |
| 01:05 | jdavidb | apt-get --I_know_what_Im_doing_here -b source |
| 01:06 | chris | http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ |
| 01:06 | katipo are back !! | |
| 01:07 | pianohackr|work | All I really want is the latest graphviz with collision avoidance on edges |
| 01:07 | Why in god's name am I building ocaml from source? | |
| 01:07 | slef | needs updates... ideally being a click-sortable table like I think thd suggested but I don't know any plugin for that OTTOMH |
| 01:08 | richard | yay |
| 01:08 | thanks chris | |
| 01:08 | slef | wizzyrea: can you update Turo Technology LLP to software.coop please? We completed that transition a while ago. |
| 01:08 | chris | i can |
| 01:08 | email me whatever text you want and ill change it right now | |
| 01:08 | pianohackr|work | an easy-to-see field like "Geographical Area" would be nice |
| 01:08 | slef | oh, can we have logins again? |
| 01:08 | chris | we sure can |
| 01:08 | you'll need to ask wizzy for that | |
| 01:08 | but i can make changes in the meantime | |
| 01:08 | is that the only bit you want changed? | |
| 01:08 | slef | chris bigballofwax? |
| 01:09 | chris | yessir |
| 01:16 | jdavidb left #koha | |
| 01:21 | braedon | chris: Steven will write something up for the support page, and get back to you, thanks. |
| 01:22 | chris | cool |
| 01:23 | slef | http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/ |
| 01:24 | collum left #koha | |
| 01:25 | slef | http://tobias.baethge.com/word[…]reloaded-english/ is a more involved method |
| 01:26 | main thing we'd need to decide is what columns to list | |
| 01:27 | chris | *nod* |
| 01:28 | way i figure it, pure alphabetical is 100 times better than what we used to have, and we can just keep improving it | |
| 01:28 | at least i can add kyle and zeno now | |
| 01:29 | slef | come near the end of the alphabet and see if you still agree ;-) |
| 01:29 | but the previous list discussion was right: sortable is The Right Way | |
| 01:29 | * gmcharlt | awaits the Aaaardvark Koha Consultancy |
| 01:30 | slef | gmcharlt: there used to be a guy in the phone book where I grew up called "Zzitz, Zeke Z" |
| 01:30 | * chilts | creates A1 Koha Consulting Limites :) |
| 01:30 | chilts | Limited even :D |
| 01:30 | gmcharlt | he or his parents didn't know when to stop, evidently ;) |
| 01:30 | * slef | starts !!!Koha!!! Co |
| 01:31 | chilts | heh |
| 01:33 | slef | ok, I'm gone. bbl |
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| 01:40 | Jo | can anyone suggest a good online set of library icons (a full set for all sorts of different media types etc) |
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| 01:43 | braedon | hmm, any ideas what could cause the MARC record import tool to duplicate some biblios on import? the staged record manager shows the correct number of biblios, but once imported there are 513 extra biblios in the database. The duplicates seem to have no items attached. |
| 01:52 | gmcharlt | 3.2 alpha tagged |
| 01:53 | chris | w00t |
| 01:55 | Jo | for the non-geeks among us, Galen please what does alpha tagged mean? |
| 01:56 | gmcharlt | Jo: it basically means that I've drawn a line in the sand - i.e., this point is 3.2 alpha |
| 01:56 | Jo | woo hoo! |
| 01:56 | go you | |
| 01:56 | joetho | clap clap clap clap clap clap! |
| 01:57 | Jo | this is quite a big step |
| 01:57 | brendan | w00t |
| 01:58 | Jo | I'll share a nice story with you: just heard of a computer guy in Palmerston who volantarily installed Koha for a school, and the local librarisn are cataloguing the schools library - after hours as volunteers :) |
| 01:58 | chilts | gmcharlt++ |
| 01:58 | Jo | gmcharlt+++ |
| 02:01 | That paid support is so pretty | |
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| 02:03 | Jo | would be cool to be able to view the paid support providers on a googlemap - so geographically |
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| 02:05 | chris_n | gmcharlt++ |
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| 02:08 | liz-nekls is now known as wizzyrea_ | |
| 02:15 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ko[…]history/tags.html |
| 02:15 | nice range of ppl contributed to 3.2 | |
| 02:17 | Jo | Oh look at that ... that is such a community effort! |
| 02:17 | wizzyrea_ | :) |
| 02:18 | back looking at the site if you have more you want to do | |
| 02:18 | Jo | would you like to correct a date? |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea_ | though I'd be just as happy playing video games >.> |
| 02:18 | sure | |
| 02:18 | url? | |
| 02:19 | Jo | http://koha-community.org/ - the date for the general koha meeting says 2009 - should be 2010 |
| 02:19 | wizzyrea_ | O naught gmcharlt! |
| 02:19 | naughty~ | |
| 02:19 | done :) | |
| 02:19 | Jo | I am amazed at how quickly you guys have got this thing up and running and gorgeous :) |
| 02:20 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: 9 February 20010 ? are you planning to make me immortal for that? |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea_ | HA |
| 02:20 | naughty wizzy! | |
| 02:20 | Jo | 20010 is not actually much of an improvement my ove :) |
| 02:20 | gmcharlt | (not that I would complain if you could do it! :) ) |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea_ | there, this time with feeling |
| 02:21 | Jo | the other thing was for the staff demop I needed a login and password |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea_ | Oh, true. I will add that info |
| 02:21 | Jo | cool |
| 02:22 | and my only other comment was to include kohacon 2010 somewher .. maybe under events? | |
| 02:23 | I did try and register but have not recieved an email. I figured it might not be active yet? | |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea_ | well, there are no SPF records for koha-community.org, so it likely got nuked as spam :( |
| 02:25 | yes, I was going to add that as well. Kinda hoping chris would write the article ;) but I know he's super busy | |
| 02:25 | mine took a good 10-ish minutes to come through when I was testing | |
| 02:26 | Jo | can't you just steal his work while hes not looking? |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea_ | HEE. I like how you think |
| 02:28 | <lazy> can somebody hit me with the kohacon10 url?</lazy | |
| 02:28 | > | |
| 02:28 | chris | http://kohacon.appspot.com/ |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea_ | ty kindly |
| 02:30 | chris_n | fwiw, my registration email got nuked by gmail anti-spam |
| 02:31 | chris | yeah check the spam folder |
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| 02:33 | Jo | ok |
| 02:33 | wizzyrea_ | yea, not surprising :( |
| 02:33 | the controls on the DNS for domainz are kind of sparse | |
| 02:34 | and I hesitate to host the DNS @ NEKLS since we'll be changing our ISP in the next few months | |
| 02:34 | and not sure how slaving is going to work :/ | |
| 02:34 | with the new ISP | |
| 02:34 | so if someone wants to volunteer to host the DNS, that would be cool | |
| 02:35 | helpful for me, def, b/c then we could have wildcards and subdomain blogs | |
| 02:35 | since koha-community.org is running wpmu | |
| 02:36 | chris | ah jo went with domainz not freeparking? |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea_ | ya |
| 02:39 | Jo | yep |
| 02:40 | we had an account with them already and didn'twant stuff all over the place | |
| 02:42 | chris | fair enough |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea_ | maybe the people who host the dns for kete.co.nz would be willing to host koha-community.org DNS as well? |
| 02:44 | says she who is totally ignorant of anything and everything surrounding kete and/or who does what in NZ | |
| 02:44 | :P | |
| 02:45 | gmcharlt love that you put the release notes on the site | |
| 02:45 | what a relief to finally have a place to put that stuff, eh | |
| 02:45 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea_: Kete, HLT, Kete, HLT - why do I think there's a connection :P |
| 02:45 | chris | it feels like 2004 again |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea_ | i hope that's a good thing :P |
| 02:46 | chris | yep |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea_ | I think we should be sure to tag/categorize as granularly as possible |
| 02:46 | since we can | |
| 02:47 | chris | yup |
| 02:51 | Jo | I don't understand the question but I don't see why not |
| 02:51 | Chris? | |
| 02:52 | chris | its not me |
| 02:52 | Jo | dns stuff - who would know? |
| 02:52 | simon? | |
| 02:52 | chris | yeah katipo host the dns for kete.net.nz |
| 02:52 | Jo | I am blissfully unaware of the detail of loads of stuff i am involved in :) |
| 02:52 | Richard: are you about still? | |
| 02:53 | richard | hi jo |
| 02:53 | Jo | can you read back a second or 2 and asnwer the question about hosting the dns |
| 02:53 | can we do it? | |
| 02:53 | (we as in you :) | |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea_ | no particular epic hurry, fwiw. It's working in the capacity we need it to now. :) |
| 02:55 | richard | i don't see why not. where is the record now? |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea_ | it's in the domainz default config |
| 02:56 | IrmaCalyx | G'day all |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea_ | just doing forwarding |
| 02:56 | IrmaCalyx | what an exciting day today !!! |
| 02:57 | So much good news | |
| 02:57 | Jo | hi Irma |
| 02:57 | IrmaCalyx | hi Jo terrific progress today |
| 02:59 | i sent a tweet with new website | |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea_ | I'm actually quite pleased with how it is turning out. |
| 03:00 | chris | yeah its looking good |
| 03:00 | IrmaCalyx | I like to ask about the possibility to include in 3.2 Australian English spelling |
| 03:00 | is there time for that? | |
| 03:00 | chris | if you are fast |
| 03:00 | you can base it on either the NZ or the GB one | |
| 03:00 | IrmaCalyx | catalogue is one term |
| 03:00 | chris | yeah thats all fixed in the NZ and GB ones |
| 03:01 | IrmaCalyx | P.O. Box? |
| 03:01 | chris | that too |
| 03:01 | http://translate.koha.org/projects/opac3_1/ | |
| 03:02 | IrmaCalyx | ok...worrying is overrated...I withdraw my question |
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| 03:05 | gmcharlt | chris: any word on the tlhIngan Hol translation? |
| 03:06 | chris | nengards friend never got back to her about it :) |
| 03:06 | gmcharlt | drat |
| 03:10 | IrmaCalyx | tlhIngan Hol? |
| 03:10 | chris | klingon IrmaCalyx |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea_ | best time conversion website? |
| 03:11 | chris | we dont restrict koha to this planet, or even to reality ;-) |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea_ | hahahaha |
| 03:11 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: wolfram-alpha |
| 03:11 | chris | wolfram alpha does a decent job |
| 03:11 | gmcharlt | btw, note that I set the time zone for the events calendar to London |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea_ | fine by me |
| 03:11 | gmcharlt | closest to UTC+0 that the events widget offers |
| 03:11 | chris | close enough |
| 03:11 | yeah | |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea_ | it sure is pretty |
| 03:12 | IrmaCalyx | re KohaCon ...I have started writing an invitation and hope to be able to have it translated in all Koha's languages |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea_ | I can't stop admiring it >.> |
| 03:12 | chris | sweet IrmaCalyx |
| 03:12 | Jo: you about? | |
| 03:13 | IrmaCalyx | <wizzyrea_> me too :-) |
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| 03:13 | chris | heya pianohacker |
| 03:13 | pianohacker | hi, chris |
| 03:13 | IrmaCalyx | must go back and tackle some of my tasks - cheers. |
| 03:13 | pianohacker | I had a nitpick question: does the test suite requirement for alpha->beta include the db-dependent suite? |
| 03:14 | cya, IrmaCalyx | |
| 03:14 | IrmaCalyx | cia all |
| 03:14 | * chris | defers to gmcharlt |
| 03:14 | pianohacker | Cool |
| 03:14 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: the portions that are applicable, yes - if parts are hopelessly out of date, it would be OK to remove them |
| 03:14 | pianohacker | Good to know |
| 03:15 | Once I get the sysprefs editor in more reasonable shape, might poke at that | |
| 03:15 | gmcharlt | but normally, of course, a failing DB-depdent test *does* indicate that something had changed, after all ;) |
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| 03:17 | chris | chris_n: you about? |
| 03:18 | chris_n | here |
| 03:18 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ko[…]ml#author_of_year |
| 03:18 | check it out :) | |
| 03:18 | chris_n | wow |
| 03:19 | gmcharlt | chris_n++ |
| 03:19 | * chris_n | will have a hard run to hold the pole position |
| 03:19 | gmcharlt | now you get to continue your dominating position by fixing all of the blockers for 3.2 ;) |
| 03:19 | chris | hehe |
| 03:20 | * chris_n | crawls under the table |
| 03:20 | pianohacker | chris_n: Feel like updating the translation system to include .pref files? |
| 03:20 | chris_n | actually he climbs on top of the table and enjoys his 30 seconds of glory :-) |
| 03:20 | pianohacker | I've only been avoiding it for nine months now |
| 03:21 | chris_n | pianohacker: I think I'm free between 0100 and 0500 each day.... |
| 03:21 | pianohacker | Hahahaha, know that feeling |
| 03:25 | joetho | tlhIngan Hol ?? |
| 03:25 | chris | type that in google joetho |
| 03:25 | joetho | you weren't kidding either, were you? |
| 03:25 | chris | hell no |
| 03:25 | joetho | actually lolling here |
| 03:25 | chris | swedish chef comes after that |
| 03:25 | :) | |
| 03:26 | i wonder what a king response is? | |
| 03:26 | need help waiting for king response to my message posted yesterday | |
| 03:26 | pianohacker | We need a bot that we can poke and will spit out a random username that should respond to a mailing list post nobody's touched |
| 03:26 | chris | :) |
| 03:27 | joetho | well *I* need a bot to do that |
| 03:27 | chris | it can be |
| 03:27 | king_response_bot | |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea_ | king probably = kind |
| 03:27 | kind response | |
| 03:27 | but that's way not as fun | |
| 03:27 | chris | you are ruining my nonsense |
| 03:28 | :) | |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea_ | PBBT |
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| 03:31 | chris_n | wb brendan |
| 03:31 | brendan | heya chris_n |
| 03:32 | chris_n | cool, lots of fresh news on the new website |
| 03:33 | stock demos++ | |
| 03:34 | chris | :) |
| 03:34 | * chris_n | feels like a kid in a candy shop ;) |
| 03:35 | wizzyrea_ | ^.^ i'm glad you like it |
| 03:36 | pianohacker | Definitely, I like the feel of this a lot better |
| 03:36 | Feels more like a community project | |
| 03:38 | brendan | gmcharlt are you going to KohaCon10 |
| 03:38 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 03:38 | chris | w00t |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea_ | if he doesn't go I'll go down to florida and smuggle him in my suitcase |
| 03:39 | * chris_n | hits the sack |
| 03:39 | chris_n | g'night |
| 03:39 | brendan | great |
| 03:39 | chris | night |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea_ | gnite |
| 03:39 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: heh - will no doubt feel that way anyway at the end of the flight |
| 03:39 | brendan | night |
| 03:39 | gmcharlt | g'night, chris_n |
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| 03:40 | Amit | hi brendan, chris, chris_n2 |
| 03:40 | morning #koha | |
| 03:40 | brendan | hi amit |
| 03:40 | Jo | Chris: here now |
| 03:41 | chris | whatcha reckon, would you be up for asking penny if she wants to do our keynote/opening speech? |
| 03:42 | Jo | yes indeed. absolutely :) |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea: you still about | |
| 03:44 | nw | |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea_ | i am |
| 03:45 | sup? | |
| 03:47 | Jo | Its ok - I found what I was looking for (you had it covered). Do you think you might try for some sleep today at all? |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea_ | :) yea, it's only almost 10pm here |
| 03:47 | pianohacker | It's only 9:45 PM there, perfectly reasonable time of day |
| 03:48 | Jo | (I was looking for irc under community resources but found it under free support ... of course :) |
| 03:48 | oh thats alright then :) | |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea_ | early for me (though I'm rarely online for koha now. Usually smashing digital avatars with a virtual hammer) |
| 03:48 | chris | by 10pm im like this http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]1405&id=507121749 |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea_ | hehe that's cute |
| 03:49 | pianohacker | A baby photo you can show atu 15 years from now without a "DaaaAAAAaaAd" |
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| 03:49 | Jo | oh thats funny - wa sthat new years eve? |
| 03:49 | chris | its was about 2 days ago |
| 03:50 | http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]1399&id=507121749 | |
| 03:50 | (laurel has been putting photos up) | |
| 03:50 | Jo | I feel a blog post coming on about today; its been an extraordinary thing to watch |
| 03:50 | koha community in action - makes me feel all gooey inside | |
| 03:50 | Amit | heya pianohacker, Ropuch, Jo |
| 03:50 | Jo | hiya Amit |
| 03:51 | brendan | that's a cute kid there chris |
| 03:51 | Jo | he makes beautiful babies |
| 03:51 | although I'm sure Laurel's good looks have a lot to do with it to? | |
| 03:51 | chris | id say that was 97% of it |
| 03:52 | Jo | I'm pretty sutre that hairy fellow is actually Simon - not Rachel :) |
| 03:52 | pianohacker | hi, Amit, Jo, brendan |
| 03:52 | chris | yeah simon is too cool for facebook :) |
| 03:52 | well actually to privacy savvy probably :) | |
| 03:52 | Jo | thought it was a privacy thin g .. |
| 03:53 | si | too old and crust for this web 2.0 malarky |
| 03:53 | crusty, even | |
| 03:53 | chris | heh |
| 03:53 | wizzyrea_ | malarky! |
| 03:53 | can I get a humbug? | |
| 03:54 | chris | si: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]p?g2_itemId=72265 |
| 03:54 | si | although I did enjoy the sleeptalkinman blog somebody directed me at the other day |
| 03:54 | chris | thats the photo |
| 03:54 | si | http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/ |
| 03:54 | that's very modern | |
| 03:54 | gmcharlt | bah! no humbug for you! ;) |
| 03:54 | si | hey |
| 03:55 | * si | guesses that Chris and Si putting the oar into LCA |
| 03:55 | si | with me maintaining my anonymity, as per usual |
| 03:56 | chris | its actually charlotte and atarau having a yell at each other ;) |
| 03:57 | si | heh, could be |
| 03:57 | "my dad could take your dad" | |
| 03:59 | chris | hehe |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea_ | those are way cute children you guys got there |
| 04:00 | russ | |
| 04:01 | si | mines cute |
| 04:01 | chris's is as ugly as sin | |
| 04:01 | chris | hehe |
| 04:01 | russ | lol |
| 04:01 | chris | you should russ's |
| 04:01 | see even | |
| 04:01 | richard | lol |
| 04:01 | pianohacker | bbl eggercise |
| 04:02 | si | did I see russ's name on the kohacon volunteers list |
| 04:03 | just like old times | |
| 04:03 | russ | aye |
| 04:03 | chris | yep, he's been roped back in |
| 04:03 | si | good man |
| 04:04 | Jo | Waves at Si |
| 04:05 | si | hola jo |
| 04:05 | you're a good man too | |
| 04:05 | :-) | |
| 04:06 | gmcharlt | my god, it's full of NZers! :) |
| 04:06 | braedon | surprisingly... :P |
| 04:07 | Jo | me: I'm a good Man? Wow - thank you Si. I'm taking it as high praise :) |
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| 04:07 | Jo | waves at Russ to :) |
| 04:07 | chris | ok hometime |
| 04:08 | * russ | waves as he heads out the door |
| 04:08 | Jo | see you Chris |
| 04:08 | sterling work today folks | |
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| 04:24 | wizzyrea_ | for the record: text-transform: uppercase is my mortal enemy. I hate it with the heat of a million suns. |
| 04:24 | that is all. | |
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| 04:37 | wizzyrea_ | ok, going to whack virtual avatars with digital hammers. ttyl :) |
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| 05:02 | Jo | Good night all. Off home to thebambini |
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| 06:02 | indradg | |
| 06:03 | wizzyrea: did the DNS hosting get sorted out? | |
| 06:07 | Amit | heya indradg |
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| 06:44 | Amit | heya nicomo |
| 06:45 | nicomo | hi Amit |
| 07:04 | pianohacker | good night, all |
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| 07:04 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
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| 08:17 | chris | evening |
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| 08:21 | kf | good morning :) |
| 08:26 | chris | hiya kf |
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| 08:27 | chris | i had a question did you want BSZ listed here http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ |
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| 08:28 | kf | hi chris |
| 08:29 | not sure chris - our situation is a bit different from the other companies | |
| 08:29 | I will have to discuss it | |
| 08:29 | chris | no problem |
| 08:29 | just let me know anytinme | |
| 08:29 | kf | of couse, thank you for thinking about us |
| 08:30 | chris | @later tell magnus do you want libriotech listed, email me what you want and ill put it up |
| 08:30 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:30 | kf | koha-community++ |
| 08:30 | the new site looks great today | |
| 08:32 | Amit | heya Kf |
| 08:33 | kf | hi Amit |
| 08:56 | chris: still aroundß | |
| 08:56 | ? | |
| 08:57 | chris | sure am |
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| 09:56 | magnus | chris: thanks, i'll email you when i have figured out the text... ;-) |
| 09:56 | chris | cool |
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| 10:23 | kf | chris ? |
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| 11:03 | gmcharlt | good morning |
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| 11:12 | kf | good morning gmcharlt |
| 11:19 | magnus | good morning gmcharlt |
| 11:19 | and congrats on the alpha ;-) | |
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| 13:21 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 13:22 | jwagner | *grumble* why does morning has to come so EARLY in the day??? |
| 13:22 | (And I'm working from home -- got to sleep in a bit....) | |
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| 13:22 | jwagner | But good morning anyway. |
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| 13:23 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 13:23 | imp | moin :) |
| 13:24 | * jwagner | wanders off to get some caffeine |
| 13:24 | * chris_n | sees his bip proxy has finally gotten up for the day |
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| 13:25 | owen | Hi all |
| 13:25 | chris_n | heya owen |
| 13:27 | owen | I hearby nominate wizzyrea to take over Koha.org when it returns to the community's hands. koha-community.org looks fantastic. |
| 13:27 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 13:28 | It's a perfect WordPress theme for us | |
| 13:28 | Colin | Any documentation on how budgets are supposed to work in 3.2? Seem unable to commit against them |
| 13:29 | owen | hdl_laptop or paul_p? Could we get a quick lesson on budgets? |
| 13:36 | magnus | jwagner: move to europe, then you could have your morning in the middle of the day :-) |
| 13:38 | Ropuch | hehe |
| 13:39 | jwagner | magnus, but then my mornings would come in the middle of the night! |
| 13:40 | magnus | jwagner: nah, it's 2 pm here now - perfect time for a morning if you ask me |
| 13:42 | jwagner | I'm sure there's a good argument against that logic. I'll find it when I wake up :-) |
| 13:45 | magnus | ;-) |
| 13:46 | nengard | owen - it is perfect - so perfect I chose it for my book (http://opensource.web2learning.net) and now I have to change it :( |
| 13:49 | nahuel | owen, ! |
| 13:49 | hi | |
| 13:49 | :) | |
| 13:49 | owen | Hi nahuel |
| 13:49 | nahuel | did you see your last patch on admin/marc_subfield_structure.pl on 3.0.x ? |
| 13:49 | and my previous patch | |
| 13:50 | chris_n | gmcharlt: patch resubmitted for opac-reserve.pl |
| 13:50 | nengard | Colin - I'm still waiting for some help on that from BibLibre - the budgets documentation :( |
| 13:50 | owen | nahuel: ? |
| 13:50 | nahuel | héhé |
| 13:50 | I made a patch : | |
| 13:51 | - -name => "mandatory", | |
| 13:51 | + -name => "mandatory$i", | |
| 13:51 | and you patched the file as : | |
| 13:51 | - -name => "mandatory$i", | |
| 13:51 | + -name => "mandatory", | |
| 13:51 | so it doesn't work anymore | |
| 13:51 | owen | nahuel: I did? |
| 13:52 | nahuel | It seem you did :) |
| 13:52 | * owen | wonders if he has been sleep-patching |
| 13:52 | chris_n | lol :-) |
| 13:52 | nahuel | héhé |
| 13:54 | owen | I don't have any recollection of making that change! |
| 13:54 | You have my apologies for breaking something | |
| 13:55 | jdavidb | hdl_laptop: ping? |
| 13:56 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: yes |
| 13:57 | kf | hdl_laptop: thx for your email, will try at the weekend (or today after dentist...) |
| 13:57 | jdavidb | This icu thing is giving me issues; When I reindexed, I got a bunch of "unknown element transliterate" errors. Just for kicks, I removed the transliterate elements from the icu.xml file, leaving just the transforms, and it finished, but nothing whatever is searchable. |
| 13:57 | I suspect I missed something *real* obvious. | |
| 14:00 | Ever seen that happen before? | |
| 14:00 | gmcharlt | chris_n: pushed |
| 14:01 | chris_n | gmcharlt: one other question |
| 14:01 | this commit: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]9fd8dac785831af66 | |
| 14:01 | only has part of the patch I submitted | |
| 14:01 | hdl_laptop | never. |
| 14:02 | chris_n | gmcharlt: see http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg04094.html |
| 14:02 | jdavidb | Dern. The whole thing seems like such a good idea, if I could just make it work! |
| 14:02 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: have you cheched the encoding of your icu chain file ? |
| 14:02 | It truly IS. | |
| 14:04 | jdavidb | With the transliterate elements removed, it doesn't have anything controversial in it. I suspect that the encoding was screwy on some of the transliterate rules, which might have caused the error. But with them gone...is all easy ascii chars. |
| 14:04 | gmcharlt | chris_n: result of a merge of other work on updatedatabase.pl, I expect - 068 has been an utter mare's nest for some reason |
| 14:05 | chris_n | so shall I reformat and resubmit? |
| 14:05 | the syntax is incorrect | |
| 14:05 | gmcharlt | yes, but please check with hdl_laptop and Colin - we need to stop patch-fighting on that update |
| 14:05 | chris_n | will do |
| 14:06 | hdl_laptop | chris_n: hands off for me |
| 14:06 | jdavidb | the file sizes in zebradb/biblios/register are large, which makes me think it put *something* in there, but just can't get it back out again. |
| 14:07 | chris_n | Colin: how about you? |
| 14:08 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: what does zebraidx tells you ? |
| 14:09 | Colin | chris_n: Just took a look.. I think some of the add columns are in other upgrades. I'm sure we took some out because it caused a failure and |
| 14:09 | jdavidb | When it's doing the reindexing? Nothing unusual there; looks like any other indexing I've done. |
| 14:09 | Colin | the column that should be added wasn't |
| 14:11 | hdl_laptop | mmm... maybe you have not reset your base between no icu and use of icu... |
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| 14:12 | jdavidb | hdl_laptop: When I use yaz-client to search, It shows that it worked fine, but returned no records. |
| 14:13 | I made the changes to the default.idx file that are in your patch...is there something else that needs doing? | |
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| 14:14 | chris_n | Colin: ahh, I see... tnx |
| 14:15 | Colin | chris_n: I think db update 65 and 68 duplicated some steps |
| 14:17 | jdavidb | zebraidx -V returns "Using ICU" at the end of its' output (we're on 2.0.34, Debian Etch, and yaz-icu package is installed.) |
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| 14:20 | chris_n | Colin: ok, it appears that the confusion on my end was isolated to one topic branch |
| 14:20 | tnx | |
| 14:24 | owen | gmcharlt: Can you clarify for me? Is there anything special we should do with our commits for 3.2? |
| 14:24 | gmcharlt | owen: no, patch against head, just don't expect enhancements to be applied to HEAD |
| 14:24 | just bugfixes | |
| 14:25 | owen | Sure |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt | once the dust settles in a day or two, chris and I will work out something for handling enh patches destined for 3.4 |
| 14:26 | owen | "error: Untracked working tree file 'koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/itemtypeimg/sfdicons/Book.png' would be overwritten by merge. could not detach HEAD" |
| 14:26 | Got that when trying to rebase | |
| 14:27 | gmcharlt | owen: if you had installed a preview of that icon set, remove it first, then try rebasing |
| 14:28 | * owen | didn't think he had |
| 14:29 | owen | But there they were. Okay. |
| 14:32 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb nothing more |
| 14:33 | * jdavidb | shrugs. I'm not seeing any errors in the logs...just not getting any results. happily returning zero records, every time. |
| 14:35 | hdl_laptop | quite strange |
| 14:35 | what is your icu chain now ? | |
| 14:37 | jdavidb | <icu_chain locale="en"> |
| 14:38 | <transform rule="[:Control:] Any-Remove"/> | |
| 14:38 | <tokenize rule="l"/> | |
| 14:38 | <transform rule="[[:WhiteSpace:][:Punctuation:]] Remove"/> | |
| 14:38 | <transform rule="NFD"/> | |
| 14:38 | <transform rule="[:Nonspacing Mark:] Remove"/> | |
| 14:38 | <transform rule="NFC"/> | |
| 14:38 | <display/> | |
| 14:38 | <casemap rule="l"/> | |
| 14:38 | </icu_chain> | |
| 14:38 | itty bitty chain. | |
| 14:41 | hdl_laptop | looks ok |
| 14:44 | jdavidb | I've restarted zebra for this instance, but there are other instances running on the same server. |
| 14:48 | hilongo | hello everybody ... :) |
| 14:48 | nengard | Is there a way to trick the system into thinking it's an older version so that it will run some db updates that I somehow missed? I don't want to wipe my db and start over (losing all my content) - but none of the patron card things work cause I missed some db updates apparently - and who knows what else I missed |
| 14:49 | kf | you could change your version number setting in sys prefs - but not sure if this is a good idea |
| 14:49 | dentist appointment now... bye all! | |
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| 14:52 | nengard | anyone else with a tip I'm missing? |
| 14:52 | Colin | nengard: If you know what the missing change is you can get the sql from updatedatabase.pl and apply it directly in mysql |
| 14:53 | hdl_laptop | nengard: you can trick that |
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| 14:53 | nengard | Colin - tried that didn't work ... not sure why |
| 14:53 | hdl_laptop | set version in systempreferences to 3.0100000 |
| 14:53 | nengard | hdl_laptop with the new sys prefs interface is that info still in the db? |
| 14:53 | owen | nengard: You'll have to manually go to the old system preferences page |
| 14:54 | admin/systempreferences.pl | |
| 14:54 | nengard | owen i can do it with mysql |
| 14:54 | owen | It's still there |
| 14:54 | nengard | ah |
| 14:54 | cool | |
| 14:54 | Colin | nengard: do a backup first |
| 14:55 | hdl_laptop | Colin++ |
| 14:55 | * owen | heads down to the dungeon to talk to our cataloger |
| 14:55 | Colin | nothing ever goes wrong on backed up systems |
| 14:56 | nengard | bleh - okay everything works - but patron cards still don't |
| 14:56 | so i'm out of ideas here | |
| 14:56 | chris_n anything? | |
| 14:57 | I did get this error --- | |
| 14:57 | http://koha.pastebin.com/m2f69a495 | |
| 14:57 | looks like 106 is being skipped | |
| 14:57 | is that the patron card db updates | |
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| 15:00 | hilongo | I'm having some problems with holds in 3.1.5 looping forever whrn called from staff interface... I saw in the mailing list that request.pl is fixed in git repo ... how can I get a copy of that file without installing git?? |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | hilongo: you can go to http://git.koha.org, navigate to the proper file (in the 3.0.x branch), and download it (the blbo link for th efile) |
| 15:02 | slef | Colin: I've just spent an hour sifting backups for corrupted files. |
| 15:02 | as in, backup copies of them. | |
| 15:02 | hi all | |
| 15:02 | I could have done without this today. | |
| 15:03 | How's it going for anyone else? | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | passable |
| 15:07 | chris_n | nengard: om |
| 15:07 | * chris_n | is overrun atm :-P |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | wheeee - 3.2-alpha tarball with all translations expanded coming in at 235M |
| 15:08 | nengard | chris_n no prob- just want you to know I still don't know why I can't access it or get the DB to update - and that's why it's not documented ... but then again I still need help learniing how to use it before documenting it anyway :) |
| 15:10 | slef | gmcharlt: can we cut it up somehow, or generate translations from Makefile*? |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt | slef: yes - I think I'm going to release two tarballs - one with no translations expanded, and the traditional full one |
| 15:10 | but ask people to prefer downloading the former | |
| 15:11 | slef | make LANG=en:fr:... install # would be pretty cool, but I don't know if we can |
| 15:12 | gmcharlt | slef: shouldn't be too hard to do - good thing to try to add for the beta |
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| 15:13 | * chris_n | 's oldest daughter got her mothers engagement ring stuck on her (daughter's) finger... :-P |
| 15:13 | jwagner | chris_n, your children do have a problem with their hands/fingers, don't they? How's your son doing, by the way? |
| 15:14 | chris_n | nearly all better... just awaiting the new nail to grow out and all of the feeling to return |
| 15:14 | jwagner | That's good. |
| 15:14 | chris_n | it all started with pianohacker's finger getting broken |
| 15:14 | :-) | |
| 15:15 | jwagner | It's catching??? |
| 15:15 | chris_n | look out! ;-) |
| 15:15 | * jwagner | tucks hands into pockets.... |
| 15:16 | * chris_n | looks at nengard's paste |
| 15:17 | chris_n | nengard: are you running the latest version? ie the alpha? |
| 15:18 | nengard | yes |
| 15:19 | and that was me trying to upgrade my db - the paste | |
| 15:19 | chris_n | hmmm... it appears those version numbers don't jive with the current updatedatabase.pl |
| 15:19 | nengard | after running that I still can't access the patron card pages I mentioned yesterday - but then again if version 106 is the patron card db updates - that's why - my install skipped them |
| 15:19 | what???? how is that possible??? | |
| 15:19 | I fetched this morning | |
| 15:20 | chris_n | om |
| 15:20 | nengard | :( |
| 15:20 | chris_n | your ok |
| 15:22 | ok, it is the USING BTREE issue which hdl_laptop caught and patched | |
| 15:22 | for some reason it appears to still exist in your repo | |
| 15:22 | nengard | hmmm |
| 15:23 | i feel like i should wipe and start all over again :( | |
| 15:23 | chris_n | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]8ce2c385aeab99c4b |
| 15:23 | nengard: try this | |
| 15:23 | git checkout master | |
| 15:23 | slef | LLEK - it's like Koha, but with your sysadmin's fingers broken? |
| 15:23 | chris_n | then fetch and rebase the master |
| 15:23 | * nengard | laughing at slef |
| 15:24 | chris_n | then git checkout -b pcardstest |
| 15:24 | and try running the installer/data/mysql/patroncards_upgrade.pl script form the cli | |
| 15:24 | nengard | rebasing now |
| 15:25 | 'form the cli'? | |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt | from the command line |
| 15:25 | nengard | ahh :) |
| 15:25 | hehe | |
| 15:25 | chris_n | sorry :-( |
| 15:25 | nengard | no prob |
| 15:25 | slef | From Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (Version 1.9, June 2002) [vera]: CLI Command Line Interpreter / Interface (OS) |
| 15:26 | nengard | chris_n - my system hates me :( --- error on rebasing: http://koha.pastebin.com/m5f3269a5 |
| 15:27 | chris_n | ouch |
| 15:28 | nengard | see - hates me |
| 15:28 | slef | Published Welcome to Koha-Community.org http://www.news.software.coop/[…]ommunity-org/886/ |
| 15:29 | nengard: manual merge time for you :-/ | |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | hi folks - munin will be going away for 15-30 minutes while I upgrade my VPS |
| 15:30 | schuster | has anyone seen this? Has anyone developed for the iphone??? http://dclibrarylabs.org/projects/iphone/ |
| 15:30 | It is released as creative commons code. | |
| 15:31 | slef | schuster: we've developed some webapps for iphone but not a koha. Is that an app or a webapp? |
| 15:31 | owen | Must be an app, they link to the App store |
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| 15:32 | slef | schuster: it's a Noncommercial licence, which is non-FOSS and largely anti-cooperative |
| 15:32 | owen: I'm not up with the rules of apps and App store. :) | |
| 15:32 | hilongo | Bye munin ... see you soon! :) |
| 15:33 | owen | slef: If it's on the App Store, then they must have submitted it to Apple and gotten Apple's approval. That's a big reason for not choosing to go the app route. |
| 15:35 | schuster | You can download the DCPL iPhone code which is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License, but largely unsupported. |
| 15:36 | slef - iphone app new version 1-30-10 | |
| 15:39 | owen | nengard: Are you trying a manual merge? |
| 15:44 | nengard | owen - working with chris_n found the problem and submitting a patch shortly |
| 15:44 | :) | |
| 15:45 | owen | nengard I've got a question for you when you finish, and I'm sure I'll remember what it is by then. |
| 15:45 | nengard | LOL |
| 15:52 | okay - got a question - i have this error: "Can't locate Graphics/Magick.pm" but I thought I installed that module yesterday - can someone tell me where to get that module? chris_n said I can't do cpan - so I did apt-get install | |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | nengard: did you get in ok? |
| 15:53 | nengard | yes |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | sweet |
| 15:53 | nengard | emailed you to say so :) |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | sorry to hijack your theme lol |
| 15:53 | nengard | added the newsletter |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | nengard++ |
| 15:54 | chris_n | nengard: install libgraphics-magick-perl also |
| 15:55 | nengard | chris_n doing now - but also reopened bug since the module isnt' listed as required on the about page |
| 15:55 | chris_n | that is the perl interface for the Graphics Magick stuff |
| 15:55 | k | |
| 15:56 | nengard | chris_n - still getting a 500 error :( |
| 15:56 | chris_n | I probably need to add some lines to the Makefile to alert the installer |
| 15:56 | jdavidb | RT @ranginui (chris): admitted to hospital operating in the morning |
| 15:57 | chris_n | ? |
| 15:57 | jdavidb | wizzyrea and I both apparently just spotted it on twitter that chris is in the hospital. |
| 15:57 | chris_n | nengard: was the last install successful? |
| 15:58 | nengard | i sent you the error i got in a PM |
| 15:58 | didn't want to have a big paste here | |
| 15:58 | chris_n | np... was that before or after the 500 error |
| 15:59 | nengard | i got the 500 error before installing and then again after installing |
| 15:59 | jdavidb - oh no!!!! not more info?? | |
| 15:59 | jdavidb | I seem to remember....'sec, nengard. |
| 16:00 | owen | chris pointed to this link: http://www.massgeneral.org/chi[…]es/aa_quinsy.aspx |
| 16:00 | Which sounds like it's not too serious. | |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | here's hoping |
| 16:01 | nengard | owen - that's good - except that chris is an adult not an teen.... |
| 16:01 | a teen | |
| 16:01 | jwagner | Any kind of infection requiring surgery is serious :-( Fingers and toes crossed.... |
| 16:01 | jdavidb | I seem to recall him saying that his doctor was impressed at how swollen his tonsils were a day or two ago, but I can't find that in the logs. |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt | he tweeted that as well |
| 16:03 | http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/8579869999 | |
| 16:03 | jdavidb | gmcharlt++ ; good find! |
| 16:03 | nengard | i follow way too many people on twitter - i miss too much coming from my friends :( |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | besides, he doesn't get to run away from being 3.4 RM that easily ;) |
| 16:03 | nengard | LOL |
| 16:04 | jwagner | gmcharlt, it was the 3.2 alpha release that did it! |
| 16:04 | slef | I didn't realise it was chris |
| 16:04 | I thought it was his child | |
| 16:04 | jwagner | He's been sick for a week or so, complaining about a sore throat. |
| 16:05 | hilongo | Another question on reserves ... I got it working... but now, if I want to place a hold on a chequed out item Koha tells me that I cannot do that, because there are no copies available ... ?? any idea about this? |
| 16:05 | owen | hilongo: do you have circulation rules set up? |
| 16:05 | slef | hilongo: can't you place one on "Next Available"? |
| 16:12 | owen | Sorry hilongo I'm not sure what to suggest if you've got circulation rules set up already. I don't have an installation of 3.0.5 to test on |
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| 16:21 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 16:21 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009) |
| 16:21 | jdavidb | woot! |
| 16:21 | jwagner | munin, welcome back |
| 16:21 | munin | jwagner: Error: "welcome" is not a valid command. |
| 16:21 | jwagner | Humph |
| 16:21 | owen | I blame C4::Search for chris's tonsil troubles |
| 16:21 | jwagner | It's searching for them? |
| 16:22 | nengard | aren't we all in rare form today :) |
| 16:22 | * gmcharlt | starts working on a munin plugin to elicit more harumphs from jwagner and jdavidb |
| 16:22 | jdavidb | :D |
| 16:22 | * owen | is still giddy from yesterday's excitement |
| 16:22 | nengard | hehe |
| 16:22 | jwagner | gmcharlt, not necessary, we'll harrumph for any/no reason. |
| 16:23 | Besides, 6-8 inches of new snow on top what was already there is enough of a reason for harrumphing. | |
| 16:23 | I'm gonna have to go out & shovel a path to the garage soon.... | |
| 16:23 | jdavidb | Having a near-perfect commute, while jwagner is stuck at home, is plenty of reason for me to harrrumph! |
| 16:24 | jwagner | Harrumph! |
| 16:24 | On the other hand, I have a nice soundtrack to the day, which isn't feasible at work. | |
| 16:27 | jdavidb | hm...soundtrack. (wish I hadn't left my iPod at home today..) |
| 16:29 | sekjal | if I do a full zebra rebuild, does searching in the system go down for that time, or will the old index still be used until the new one is complete? |
| 16:33 | jwagner | sekjal, the catalog will not be searchable until the reindex is complete. |
| 16:34 | sekjal | jwagner: thanks! thought that might be the case. I guess I'll wait until overnight to run it, then |
| 16:34 | schuster | gmcharlt - are sounds in circulation still part of 3.2? |
| 16:35 | owen | schuster: Nope |
| 16:35 | The never were | |
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| 16:36 | owen | There are some old patches floating around, but nothing was submitted that worked with HEAD |
| 16:36 | schuster | well phewey - I thought we were getting audible que's when there was a problem.... |
| 16:37 | schuster goes off grumbling to sit in a corner and stew | |
| 16:37 | owen | All the patches I saw were flawed in some way, partly because audio handling in browsers is so poor |
| 16:37 | * owen | has some hope for HTML5 |
| 16:37 | * jdavidb | hands schuster a box of crackers, to go with his stew. |
| 16:43 | nengard | didn't someone get sounds working on their system - thought i read that somewhere |
| 16:44 | owen | Yes, and he had a public git repo for the work, but didn't prepare a patch that worked with HEAD I think |
| 16:44 | wizzyrea | i know there's stuff on bugzilla about it |
| 16:44 | 3.2.1 :) | |
| 16:45 | maybe | |
| 16:45 | NEKLS is interested in sounds too | |
| 16:45 | though, they only work if they actually have a bearing on something actually happening | |
| 16:46 | owen | wizzyrea: You mean a continuous loud techno soundtrack isn't the sound you were interested in? |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | well, I might be for that... I was thinking of schuster's problem where things appear to get checked in but don't actually get the status changed >.> |
| 16:47 | where if you put the ding in the wrong place, it might be meaningless | |
| 16:47 | owen | From mhafen: "These patches probably won't apply against the current code base, but I've got a git repo where they are current: git://development.washk12.org/koha on the WCSD branch." |
| 16:48 | schuster | Yes that was what I was thinking of owen - I may get my local guru to look at it to see if we can at least locally apply it after 3.2. |
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| 16:54 | nengard | head is spinning from the acq budget naming emails!! |
| 16:54 | jwagner | What about a new approach? Spend::Lots::Money?? |
| 16:55 | nengard | LOL |
| 16:55 | do not add to the confusion!! :) | |
| 16:55 | jwagner | But then you could have variants for Some, Little, No money! |
| 16:58 | cait | :) |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | for god's sake don't fork and have Spend::Obscene::Amounts::Money |
| 16:58 | jwagner | How about a fork that says Give::jwagner::Lots::Money? |
| 16:58 | nengard | Okay we have Source Budget, Main Budget, Budget Period --- any preferences/complaints/confusions? |
| 16:58 | which one should it be for the top most budget? | |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | lol STAY ON TARGET |
| 16:59 | * jwagner | thinks that IS my target :-) |
| 16:59 | nengard | i tried ... time for a nap :0 hehehe |
| 17:00 | owen | nengard: FWIW I prefer Source Budget of those options, but we don't even use acquisitions :P |
| 17:00 | nengard | I like Source Budget too - like the source of the money - but the complaint in the email list is it sounds like developereese |
| 17:01 | rhcl | wizzy: do (have you) use(d) any particular registrar for domain names you could recommend (over godaddy)? |
| 17:01 | nengard | rhc1 why not godaddy? |
| 17:01 | owen | I love that nobody knows what this stuff should be called. |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | NEKLS usually goes through directnic |
| 17:02 | but it's mostly historical | |
| 17:02 | i actually like the godaddy DNS controls | |
| 17:02 | having them host the records is a breeze | |
| 17:02 | imo | |
| 17:02 | rhcl | godaddy = annoyance factor (email, trying to sell hosting services) |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | yea, you do have to fight through a lot of cruft |
| 17:03 | a lot of libraries use network solutions | |
| 17:03 | their controls aren't bad either | |
| 17:03 | * wizzyrea | has poked around in a lot of registrars, thanks to KLOW |
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| 17:04 | fredericd | hello |
| 17:04 | slef | network solutions were a pain to transfer away from last time we tried |
| 17:04 | software.coop resells gandi.net who also fund debian and others | |
| 17:04 | Sharon | SQL question - if want a count of the number of holds on a title, what table and field would that be in? I should know this, but can't remember. |
| 17:04 | slef | bbl |
| 17:05 | sekjal | what about "incoming budget" or "incoming funds"? that indicates that it's top-level, and (I think) sounds more user-centric |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | ooh, I like that |
| 17:06 | Total Moolah | |
| 17:06 | jwagner | Sharon, reserves? group by biblio number (join to biblio if you want the title itself) |
| 17:06 | wizzyrea | Available Funds? |
| 17:06 | (the word funds looks strange to me today) | |
| 17:07 | sekjal | so, perhaps the hierarchy could be - (adjective) funds::budgets::allocations ? |
| 17:08 | owen | (adjective) funds::budgets::budget lines ? |
| 17:08 | nengard | owen i like that |
| 17:08 | that makes logical sense to me - i can see it graphically | |
| 17:08 | gmcharlt | -1 to allocations, which are more commonly used to describe influxes of money into a fund |
| 17:09 | sekjal | ah, good point, gmcharlt |
| 17:09 | budget lines are good | |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt | one thing - I' |
| 17:09 | is there anything that actually preventrs one from having more than three levels of funds? | |
| 17:10 | if a library wants to do library system budget::branch fund::branch juvenile fund::branch YA graphic novels, for example | |
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| 17:10 | sekjal | my understanding is it's arbitrary. once you have a root budget, you can subdivide it any way you like |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | maybe just saying budget::fund::fund::fund with the explanation that a fund can have a parent would be sufficient |
| 17:11 | nengard | the language i see on the pages now is Root Budget::Budget:: Sub budget -- we need to replace those bits of language - but i do like budget::fund::fund .. .etc |
| 17:14 | so - the question is can i rename sub budget to fund and budget to fund and root budget to budget? | |
| 17:14 | are you confused yet? | |
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| 17:17 | gmcharlt | nengard: 'sub budget' isn't a distinct concept as such, so just renaming the links to 'Child Fund' or 'Subsidary Fund' or the like wouldn't affect functionality |
| 17:17 | sekjal | I think have just two entities, the budget (which is set by some kind of external funding source like the Board of Trustees) and a fund (which is a chunk of that money that the library sets aside for something specific) |
| 17:17 | gmcharlt | so yeah, Root Budget => Budget ; Budget => Fund ; 'Sub-Budget' to language about creating child funds |
| 17:17 | shouldn't break anything | |
| 17:18 | and changing the fund list to a tree control or something would make hierarchical arrangements more clear | |
| 17:18 | or just adding a parent fund/budget column to acqbudgets | |
| 17:19 | owen | gmcharlt: There is supposed to be a tree control but it's not working, IIRC |
| 17:19 | gmcharlt | ok, so to summarize so far - Budget::Fund (and children Funds to the nth degree) |
| 17:19 | is everybody on #koha cool with that? | |
| 17:19 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 17:20 | makes sense to me | |
| 17:20 | nengard | okay - so i change all occurences of Root Budget or Budget Period to Budget |
| 17:20 | and then all occurences of Budget to Fund | |
| 17:20 | owen | Bug 4000 |
| 17:20 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4000 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, NEW, Budgets table doesn't show tree view for sub-budgets |
| 17:20 | nengard | and the one place it read 'sub-budget' i call it 'child fund' ? |
| 17:21 | I do like the idea - just confirming that i understand right | |
| 17:21 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 17:22 | nengard | okay - i will tackle this as soon as i'm learning about the new patron card creator |
| 17:22 | i believe i already have a bug assigned to me for it | |
| 17:22 | chris_n giving me a tutorial on how to use the patron card creator so i can document it | |
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| 17:31 | wizzyrea | owen: that theme found me, I didn't find it. I really don't have much to do with the awesomeness of its design (re:koha-community.org) |
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| 17:35 | nengard | thank you chris_n for helping me with the patron card tool - now you can all benefit from what I learned: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]patroncardcreator |
| 17:35 | chris_n++ | |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea - feel free to change it :) hehe so it doesn't look like i'm copying you :) | |
| 17:37 | wizzyrea | aww, but it's so PRETTY and appropriately koha green! |
| 17:37 | :) | |
| 17:41 | nengard | i know - what about the one i use on the newsletter site? that's green too :) |
| 17:41 | hehe | |
| 17:41 | or i can use that one for my book site :) | |
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| 17:46 | schuster | @later tell chris - we need to talk about ncip and what it would take to complete that for Koha and Evergreen |
| 17:46 | munin | schuster: The operation succeeded. |
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| 17:51 | * jdavidb | is wondering if he's losing his mind. |
| 17:53 | jdavidb | Still wrestling with icu indexing; I stopped Zebra, reindexed, and restarted. now, author, title searches work, but a general search in opac or staff returns nothing, every time. |
| 17:53 | (title searches work the way I'd expect with diacritics, even. Very cool) | |
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| 18:10 | cait | jdavidb: try to turn off sysprefs |
| 18:11 | jdavidb: we had an issue with some of them and icu indexing | |
| 18:11 | its worth a try :) | |
| 18:11 | jdavidb | Any particular ones to look at? |
| 18:11 | cait | query stemming fuzzy autotruncate |
| 18:11 | jdavidb | okay. I'll take a swing at that. Thanks, cait. |
| 18:17 | cait | perhaps field weighting - I dont remember which combination worked and cant access administration from here |
| 18:18 | schuster | nengard - still looking for different opacs? I just found this one http://dallas.sikhlibrary.org/opac-main.aspx |
| 18:18 | nengard | thanks - don't need them now that the newsletter will be on the new koha site |
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| 18:19 | wizzyrea | nengard: I'm sure we could find a place to do what you were doing |
| 18:19 | on the new site | |
| 18:19 | though I guess we don't want to make it too fully featured as yet | |
| 18:19 | nengard | it's not a big deal - it seemed to be partly controversial |
| 18:20 | wizzyrea | I'm for helping you avoid controversy >.> |
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| 18:20 | chris_n | 'book bag' sounds much more relevant than 'cart' |
| 18:21 | * chris_n | loves to see how others have customized their opac |
| 18:22 | chris_n | and thought nengard's header was a nice addition |
| 18:22 | jdavidb | cait: undoing fuzzy had the biggest impact. I'm getting results identical to kw=foo when I just enter foo. (which is not even *close* to the results that I get on the production instance for just entering "foo". |
| 18:24 | jwagner | chris_n, I don't think it's made it into head yet, but I did a patch to create a syspref so sites could rename the Cart to whatever they want. One of my sites calls it Saved Items. |
| 18:24 | chris_n | very nice |
| 18:24 | * chris_n | thinks of wal-mart when he sees the word 'cart' ;-) |
| 18:26 | jwagner | I just wish it would be as easy to replace the shopping cart image. I think there are two or three different versions of it; I couldn't track them all down. |
| 18:26 | * nengard | trying to keep track of all of the occurences of budget, fund and root budget :) |
| 18:26 | cait | jdavidb: so its working better now? |
| 18:26 | nengard | might be the most files i've edited for one patch |
| 18:27 | jdavidb | cait: better. not optimally, but that's progress. Thanks a bunch! |
| 18:27 | cait | jdavidb: no problem, I did not configure our installation for icu, so I m glad what I know helped a bit |
| 18:30 | owen | chris_n: It was book bag before, but "Cart" was chosen for 3.0 because it was thought that users would understand the metaphor because of experience with e-commerce sites. |
| 18:31 | schuster: that opac example is running 2.x | |
| 18:31 | * owen | is perplexed by the .aspx extensions, wonders if they did that to match an existing site |
| 18:34 | is looking forward to jwagner's patch so the issue can be moot | |
| 18:35 | jwagner | I sent it in quite a while back, don't know if it's in the new 3.2 version or not. |
| 18:36 | owen | jwagner: Is your patch also attached to a bug report? |
| 18:37 | jwagner | Bug 3719 |
| 18:37 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3719 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagnerptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Create syspref to allow sites to rename OPAC Cart |
| 18:37 | jdavidb | jwagner++ , even though I'm having to install that patch on a bunch of systems... |
| 18:37 | jwagner | I did three separate patches, but the third replaced the second. You helped me with the js files, remember owen? |
| 18:38 | * owen | doesn't seem to remember much these days, what with my sleep-patching and all |
| 18:38 | gmcharlt | owen: sleep-patching is fine - makes you even more productive |
| 18:38 | jwagner | Looks like I didn't attach the patches to the bug report -- want me too? |
| 18:38 | to even? | |
| 18:39 | owen | jwagner: You might also want to revise the patch now that the staff client has a cart too |
| 18:39 | * owen | thinks it's a great practice to always attach your patch to the bug report |
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| 18:39 | jwagner | There's a whole bunch of stuff that will need to be updated for the new version. I'm hoping this one snuck in with all the other stuff so I don't have to do it :-) |
| 18:40 | owen | I do see your submission on the patches list but I don't think it made it in |
| 18:41 | chris_n | so is the 'b' in borrowers.b_* for "business" and if so, where is the "Alternate Contact" info stored? |
| 18:41 | owen | I do notice that your original patch uses the deprecated tag-like TMPL syntax, "<TMPL_VAR NAME>" instead of <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME -->" |
| 18:41 | jwagner | I've attached the two patch files to the bug report |
| 18:41 | chris_n | and why is there no "Business contact" section on the edit borrowers screen? |
| 18:42 | owen | chris_n I think it's "b" as in the main contact info is "a" |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | chris_n: fwiw, NEKLS hides all that stuff in favor or primary/alternate |
| 18:42 | using jquery :P | |
| 18:42 | owen | wizzyrea: I'd like to see a screenshot of that |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/OTgzMzk1NTA for example |
| 18:43 | * chris_n | thinks the db schema could still use some cleanup |
| 18:44 | wizzyrea | instead of home/work/mobile |
| 18:44 | owen | I see wizzyrea, thanks |
| 18:44 | nengard | I have submitted a follow up patch to bug 3854 -- i hope I got all of the places this needed to be changed. If not, let me know or feel free to make edits of your own :) |
| 18:44 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3854 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengardgmail.com, ASSIGNED, References to Budget Period should be Root Budget |
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| 18:49 | jwagner | owen, on the TMPL_VAR NAME calls, is that just in the js sections? |
| 18:50 | owen | jwagner: I didn't look through the whole patch, it just caught my eye |
| 18:50 | jwagner | I think I was copying some existing syntax, so if that was outdated.... |
| 18:51 | owen | We switched from <TMPL to <!-- TMPL because of the way the template processor works for translations |
| 18:52 | jwagner | gmcharlt, what happens with patches that have already been submitted? Do they stay in the queue? or need to be resubmitted? |
| 18:52 | gmcharlt | they stay in the queue |
| 18:53 | jwagner | Let me know if I should clean that one up now, or wait until after it's pushed. |
| 18:54 | gmcharlt | well because of the <TMPL thing and the cart-in-staff interface, cleaning it up now would be nice |
| 18:54 | jwagner | Hrmm. The branch I did that on got corrupted. I might just try editing the patch files directly & resending. |
| 18:55 | That won't account for the staff side though -- that'll have to wait until I get a 3.2 updated system. | |
| 18:55 | gmcharlt | make that create a new branch, apply the patch to it, make a new commit, squash, then resubmit, and it would work better |
| 18:55 | literally editing the patch is not likely to be swallowed by Git all that well | |
| 18:55 | * jwagner | is sure jdavidb can manage that :-) |
| 18:56 | chris_n | hehe |
| 18:56 | * jdavidb | perks, seeing more work land in his lap. |
| 18:56 | jwagner | heh heh heh |
| 18:56 | * jdavidb | is gonna start charging jwagner when she does that. |
| 18:57 | jwagner | Remember our discussion of git commands last week? When I said I handled the complicated stuff by saying "Daaaavvvvviiiiiiiddddd"? |
| 18:58 | jdavidb | mmmm-hmm. Harrrrumph! |
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| 19:00 | chobbs | Hello all - anybody have a minute to help me troubleshoot a patron import error? I'm getting "Header row could not be parsed" despite the fact that my header row is an exact match for the example CSV. |
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| 19:01 | gmcharlt | chobbs: what versin? |
| 19:02 | chobbs | gmcharlt: 3.00.05 |
| 19:02 | Colin | looks like the last batch of fixes before the alpha has broken a few steps in the ordering process |
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| 19:06 | chobbs | Grrr. Looks like my text editor didn't put proper ends-of-lines on the file. That would explain it... |
| 19:10 | chris_n | so it appears that the borrower.b_* fields do not get populated during a patron import |
| 19:10 | chobbs | That did it. And curse Mac OS X for not including dos2unix in the shell :) |
| 19:12 | * chris_n | finds an incorrect case in his csv template |
| 19:12 | chris_n | and remembers having to change the case of the 'B' in his template due to work on LEK which changes it to lower case |
| 19:13 | owen | The truth comes out about LEK's enhancements ;) |
| 19:15 | chris_n | there's more to be told to that story than there is time atm :-\ |
| 19:16 | it does highlight a bug in or import_borrowers script: fields not imported should generate an error message passed back to the user | |
| 19:16 | silent_fails-- | |
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| 19:21 | chobbs | chris_n: good enough for me right now - importing 13115 patrons right now (but I blanked all the B_fields anyways) ;) |
| 19:23 | chris_n | chobbs: great! However leaving one with the impression that their data imported successfully when in reality it did not is a problem |
| 19:24 | nengard | gmcharlt weren't downloads going to be on koha-community? just wondering cause the links go to download.koha.org in your recent email |
| 19:24 | chris_n | ie. if one of the columns was mistyped in your csv, the script will still tell you it imported 13115 patrons ok |
| 19:24 | gmcharlt | nengard: that was only a fallback |
| 19:24 | nengard | ah so you have access to dowload.koha.org? good!! |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | nope, but cfouts has been willing to stage the files |
| 19:25 | nengard | ah |
| 19:25 | got it | |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | cfouts is awesome |
| 19:26 | cfouts++ | |
| 19:26 | owen | cfouts++ also for helping us with our migration even though it was away from his employer |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | cfouts++ |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | aaand updated here: http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 19:28 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 19:29 | magnus | gmcharlt: tiny typo in your email: ./install.pll ;-) |
| 19:29 | * gmcharlt | submits patch to rename it to install.pll ;) |
| 19:30 | * jwagner | thinks gmcharlt will need to patch Perl itself too |
| 19:30 | chris_n | cfouts++ |
| 19:32 | braedon_ | wizzyrea: just me being pedantic, but would it be possible to line up "Questions? Comments?" headings with the other text? It's hugging the wall, and keeps bugging me :) |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | yea, probably :) |
| 19:33 | will look at it here in a bit | |
| 19:34 | this theme was H1 heavy, which drove me nuts. There's something about the h2 styles that makes it do that | |
| 19:34 | braedon_ | ahh |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | but it bugs me too, you're not alone in that |
| 19:35 | :) | |
| 19:35 | braedon_ | haha, good to know :) |
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| 19:43 | gmcharlt | counting noses - how many people would be up for a bug-squashing this Saturday on #koha? |
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| 19:45 | jwagner | gmcharlt, you mean with 3.2? |
| 19:45 | nengard | we're expecting a storm here so I'll be snowed in and can probably help in the AM - but I have to see my sister in a play in the PM |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | jwagner: yep, 3.2 |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | could probably do some in the middle of the day, testing anyway. Otherwise kiddo's birthday :( |
| 19:46 | jwagner | I'm not at that level yet except for one demo site, so I can't be of much help :-( |
| 19:46 | owen | gmcharlt: The spirit is willing, but the family will probably prevent |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | would a weekday be better? |
| 19:47 | nengard | always |
| 19:47 | owen | Yes for me |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | yes for me too |
| 19:47 | Colin | sure thing |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | is there pizza? |
| 19:47 | j/k j/k | |
| 19:47 | :) | |
| 19:47 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: I'll email you all the pizza you can eat |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | yesssss |
| 19:48 | wait... | |
| 19:48 | virtual pizza is my favorite. | |
| 19:48 | how did you know? | |
| 19:48 | nengard | heh |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | dangit now I want pizza. |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | ok, I'll propose next Thursday for the bug squash |
| 19:50 | nengard | it's on my calendar! |
| 19:50 | I'll be here | |
| 19:50 | jdavidb | jwagner, I can probably get your test-monster up and breathing before the weekend. |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | anybody have a really good set of test data that they'd share |
| 19:53 | bibs/items/patrons | |
| 19:53 | * chris_n | has whined for that for a long time |
| 19:53 | nengard | wizzyrea i don't know if mine is really good ... but i'll share if no one else has really good data ;) |
| 19:53 | chris_n | but with little success |
| 19:53 | nengard | and if someon ehas really good data- i'd love it!!! |
| 19:54 | owen | wizzyrea can't you steal an export from one of your libraries? Or is for more than internal use? |
| 19:54 | chris_n | I'd love to see several size/configurations of test data available to devs |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | owen: the exports are huge, in the 10-12GB range :/ |
| 19:54 | not so good for my dev virtualbox | |
| 19:55 | which is smallish | |
| 19:55 | owen | wizzyrea: You can export a range of biblionumbers |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | hmmmm |
| 19:55 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: wednesday could be good. |
| 19:55 | for bugsqushing session | |
| 19:55 | (/me reading back logs) | |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | ok, Wednesday it is |
| 19:56 | hdl_laptop | next thursday i cannot |
| 19:56 | nengard | moved on my calendar to weds the 10th |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | mine too |
| 19:56 | hdl_laptop | And I would like our team to participate |
| 19:56 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 19:57 | did you think I would refuse? ;) | |
| 19:57 | * jdavidb | will be here, but there's no tellin' what sort of things might interrupt me *participating* |
| 19:59 | * jwagner | looks innocent.... |
| 20:01 | * chris_n | will be there as much as possible too |
| 20:03 | magnus | will cheer from the sidelines |
| 20:04 | gmcharlt | you_all++ |
| 20:04 | jdavidb left #koha | |
| 20:04 | nengard | wizzyrea -this page is missing the IRC info (address and such) http://koha-community.org/support/free-support/ |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | uh, are you sure? |
| 20:04 | IRC (real-time chat) | |
| 20:04 | Kohaphiles of all types can be found on our real-time chat IRC channel. Point your favorite IRC client at irc.katipo.co.nz and join #koha or use a web based client like Mibbit. | |
| 20:04 | Connect through Mibbit | |
| 20:04 | nengard | OH BOY! |
| 20:05 | going blind | |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:05 | nengard | thanks & sorry |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | sok |
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| 20:05 | the_eye_doctor | Hi, is there a nengard here? I'm here for your appointment |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | lol! |
| 20:05 | the_eye_doctor left #koha | |
| 20:06 | nengard | how the heck was that???? |
| 20:06 | or -- who the heck was that?? :) | |
| 20:06 | can't type either - can you tell my 8 hour work day is done and i'm totally fried? | |
| 20:06 | owen | Sorry, couldn't resist. I've never tried mibbit before :) |
| 20:06 | nengard | hehe |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | owen: do you like that trick I did? |
| 20:06 | :) | |
| 20:07 | nengard | k - logging off - i have submitted a couple patches and updated the documentation a bit - tomorrow a lot more documentation updates - as long as I don't find other things to patch :) |
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| 20:10 | wizzyrea | I like the mibbit widget, it makes connecting easy, and no more CGI-blah blah nonsense :P |
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| 20:13 | * owen | learns of selection styles from the koha-community.org stylesheet |
| 20:13 | owen | http://www.quirksmode.org/css/selection.html |
| 20:13 | braedon_ | ooo, awesome |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | braedon_: I fixed your questions/comments peeve :) |
| 20:17 | for the record, pianohacker++ for helping with the CSS | |
| 20:17 | braedon_ | wooo! |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | he made some tweaks last night |
| 20:17 | braedon_ | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:17 | pianohacker++ | |
| 20:18 | ahh, beautiful alignment. all is right with the world | |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | I was gonna say, owen, if you have suggestions about the site I'm happy to hear them :) |
| 20:18 | I'm feeling a bit stabbity about text-transform: uppercase | |
| 20:18 | * owen | would agree |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | OH OH then I'll fix it |
| 20:19 | it makes me feel unhappy | |
| 20:19 | owen | wizzyrea, I'm going to send you an alternative to that koha logo in the green box as soon as I have time. Tomorrow prob'ly |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | okies |
| 20:20 | I | |
| 20:20 | am for that | |
| 20:25 | owen: I was going to color match it to the header but I just hadn't gotten there | |
| 20:25 | but I will wait for your no doubt much more artistic rendering tomorrow | |
| 20:28 | owen | Am I alone in seeing this kind of thing? http://zivotdesign.com/example[…]ority-problem.png |
| 20:28 | jwagner | owen, what version? |
| 20:29 | owen | 3.01.00.061 |
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| 20:29 | pianohacker | hello |
| 20:29 | jwagner | roughly the same as our working one then. We've seen it occasionally, and jdavidb has a script to clean it up. |
| 20:29 | The holds queue seems to get itself knotted up somehow. | |
| 20:30 | owen | jwagner: A script that runs nightly? We used to have one that we used when we hosted our own install of 2.x |
| 20:30 | jwagner | No, he just runs it when we see a problem. Check with him tomorrow for details. |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | bah I can't see your screenshot |
| 20:30 | we're really close to your version | |
| 20:31 | jwagner | The problem is that there are multiple holds all with a priority of 1, right? |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | I don't think we've seen that no |
| 20:31 | owen | wizzyrea: Can't see my screenshot? Why? |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | it wouldn't load |
| 20:31 | but I finally got it | |
| 20:31 | :) | |
| 20:31 | lemme ask and get back to you | |
| 20:32 | jwagner | It's not always multiples of priority 1, we've seen multiples of priority 14 or whatever. |
| 20:32 | owen | Our old script would clean up that kind of thing and undo any changes the staff had made to hold priorities |
| 20:32 | jwagner | That sounds similar to what his does, but I don't know specifics. I think it resets priorities based on the date/timestamp |
| 20:32 | owen | Right, exactly. |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | my peeps tell me they haven't seen your problem.. you are indep branches? |
| 20:33 | or no? | |
| 20:33 | jwagner | The times we've seen it were not very long after a migration, trying to shoehorn alien hold data into Koha tables |
| 20:33 | owen | No |
| 20:34 | jwagner | Sometimes during normal ops, but rarely |
| 20:34 | owen | jwagner: We have just migrated (although it was really more like an upgrade, no_vendor_lockin++ ) |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | ohh, probably has something to do with your move maybe? |
| 20:35 | jwagner | Possibly, although our migrations were from other systems entirely (Dynix, Horizon, etc.). I'd think Koha-to-Koha would be a lot cleaner. |
| 20:35 | owen | Could be, I thought it happened infrequently but persistently |
| 20:35 | jwagner | I don't know that he's ever figured out what causes it. |
| 20:36 | gmcharlt | random question - does anybody know who answers infokoha.org |
| 20:37 | * owen | is going to guess "Nobody" :P |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | doh |
| 20:39 | owen | jwagner: Here's an interesting data point: the "priority" number in the database for all those "1" priority holds looks like this: 141, 209, 210, 227, 235, 237 |
| 20:40 | jwagner | So do you have 230+ holds on that title? Are these the "right" priority numbers? |
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| 20:41 | owen | No, they're randomly large numbers (should be 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37) |
| 20:41 | jwagner | I dunno. Talk to jdavidb, he's dug into the guts of that problem. I just know the symptoms, & when we see them, we have him run his script. |
| 20:42 | owen | I will, thanks |
| 20:43 | jwagner | I haven't looked, is there a bugzilla report on this type of problem? If not, there probably should be.... |
| 20:48 | owen | A strange example: http://koha.pastebin.com/mf0501 |
| 20:49 | The entry with "421" priority has a reservedate "2009-12-18" but a timestamp "2010-02-03" | |
| 20:49 | Manually re-ordered? | |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | whoa |
| 20:49 | jwagner | *blinks* |
| 20:50 | owen | that might explain why there isn't an item with priority 1 |
| 20:51 | jwagner | Wonder if you could reproduce it -- take an existing OK title & manually reorder holds, then check the table values. |
| 20:52 | owen | This one is just absurd: http://koha.pastebin.com/d3822211a |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | wtf seriously |
| 20:54 | jwagner | What she said. |
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| 21:03 | braedon_ | this is not in any way koha specific, but has anyone come across an issue where mysql is started before networking on bootup, causing it to fail? |
| 21:04 | debian, on a virtualbox vm(which i suspect may be part the problem - never had the issue before) | |
| 21:06 | jwagner | owen, I emailed jdavidb to read the logs, so he'll know what you're asking about tomorrow. |
| 21:06 | I'm gonna sign off now. Got that long trip home, after all :-) (Two seconds, that is) | |
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| 21:10 | wizzyrea | any reason why a library using no authorities would be unable to add something to 100$a? |
| 21:10 | owen | wizzyrea: You double-checked the MARC framework? |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | hmm, what about it? |
| 21:11 | owen | that it's not trying to link 100$a to an authorized value or something like that |
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| 21:11 | wizzyrea | ty ty , will check |
| 21:12 | nope, not that | |
| 21:13 | it's like, you can click in it, but you can't type anything | |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: BiblioAddsAuthorities? |
| 21:15 | It's a lovely syspref that is on by default for some reason | |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | off :/ |
| 21:15 | pianohacker | Hrm |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | toggle it maybe and see if it helps? |
| 21:15 | you know turning it off and on again lol | |
| 21:16 | nope, not that | |
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| 21:18 | wizzyrea | what triggers the little ellipsis? Authorities? |
| 21:19 | erm, would the Authority types preferences have something to do with it? | |
| 21:23 | pianohacker | Well, there's authorities and then there's authorized values |
| 21:23 | Does the 100 $a field have a plugin assigned to it? | |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | forgive my ignorance, where do I look for that |
| 21:23 | pianohacker | In the subfields structure editor |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | (this is not the area I muck about in much) |
| 21:24 | pianohacker | (your sanity thanks you) |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | http://pomona.nekls.org:8080/c[…]dmin/authtypes.pl |
| 21:24 | is that the right spot? | |
| 21:24 | sorry, should have truncated that link | |
| 21:25 | pianohacker | Administration -> MARC Bibliographic Framework |
| 21:26 | Then MARC Structure next to Default framework | |
| 21:26 | Then find the 100 tag, and click subfields next to it | |
| 21:26 | Then Edit Subfields | |
| 21:27 | Then $a, then display more constraints | |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea: Here's what mine looks like: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild[…]on_001_4SnlSI.png | |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | oh brilliant, the thesaurus was on |
| 21:28 | silly | |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | Well, I have a thesaurus too |
| 21:28 | And I can type in the $a subfield | |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | we turned it off, and now it seems to be working |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | Huh. |
| 21:29 | What version are you marooned in? | |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | this one is ooold |
| 21:29 | 3.01.00.041 | |
| 21:30 | pianohacker | (also, just discovered that the password for bywater's demo is bywater/bywater, rather than demo/demo) |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | it's a teeny library, it works for them and no reason particularly to update |
| 21:30 | ty ty will fix | |
| 21:30 | done | |
| 21:32 | ph: i do like what you did to the CSS, very nice | |
| 21:32 | you're right about the click effect, that's much prettier | |
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| 21:35 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: about? |
| 21:40 | brendan | pianohacker - we've got two demo's up |
| 21:40 | one is bywater/bywater and the other is demo/demo | |
| 21:41 | pianohacker | brendan: Ok. The one linked from the website is bywater/bywater |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | doh lol |
| 21:41 | oh good | |
| 21:41 | phew | |
| 21:41 | pianohacker | I think |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | you're killin me smalls |
| 21:41 | brendan | ah I see send the blind man (well actually the one who hasn't been reading the #koha channel) |
| 21:41 | s/send/said | |
| 21:42 | * pianohacker | gives brendan some new a and i keys, the current ones seem to be problematic |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | said painohacker |
| 21:42 | brendan | thanks greatly |
| 21:42 | heh | |
| 21:43 | braedon_ | can anyone explain what changing the marc framework of a book actually does(ie, from default to books)? does it drop any data? or just change how the marc record is viewed? |
| 21:43 | brendan | speaking like yoda today I am |
| 21:44 | pianohacker | braedon_: If a tag/subfield is present in one framework and not another, I think transferring it will drop that tag |
| 21:45 | braedon_ | hmm, so no knowing anything about what fields are actually useful, doing so could be potentially bad |
| 21:46 | pianohacker | I think the tag coverage of most of them is the same, but... |
| 21:47 | braedon_ | probably all right to leave them as default for this installation i think |
| 21:48 | pianohacker | If you're concerned, you can delete the example frameworks except for default, then duplicate some new ones from the default, and then change those |
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| 21:49 | braedon_ | for future reference, would changing the frameworkcode field in the database have the same effect as editing the marc record and changing the dropdown? ie, when is the conversion from one framework to the other done? |
| 21:50 | pianohacker | braedon_: Editing it in the database would change the way the record is displayed but not the content, but it would get dropped when you saved the record |
| 21:51 | braedon_ | the problem with building one from the default, is that i wouldn't know what ones to change, and I don't think the librarian that will be using the system would either |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | Hrm |
| 21:53 | That might be a mailing list question, then, I'm not positive that all of the example frameworks cover the same tags | |
| 21:54 | braedon_ | Thinking about it, i will have to come up with something. if you leave it on default, whenever you save a marc record(well, for all the ones i have tried it on at least) there are a bunch of required fields that it wants you to add, as they aren't in the original record retrieved from z39.50 servers. If you switch it to books, it stops complaining |
| 21:55 | i suppose i can look at the logs and find what it has dropped for a given record | |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | braedon_: Which specific subfields? You can turn that off, there's some weird and unnecessary defaults |
| 21:56 | unfortunately, I must drop out and get some work done, adios | |
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| 21:58 | chris_n | braedon_: I don't believe the changing the framework drops any data iirc |
| 21:59 | if the record had the tag and/or subfield it will still be there, just not displayed | |
| 21:59 | braedon_ | ok |
| 21:59 | i'm having a look into one i changed to books, to see what it did | |
| 22:00 | * chris_n | has added/removed tags from frameworks often and noticed no data loss as a result |
| 22:01 | brendan | gmcharlt++ #busy-man and I'm loving seeing all the gitosis messages |
| 22:01 | chris_n | there are some things that you should not change unadvisedly, however, like mapping of marc fields to koha fields |
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| 22:15 | braedon_ | ok, in the test i did, moving a random book from default to books, it deleted a 019 tag, and a 695 |
| 22:15 | it also added a 942 | |
| 22:16 | time to work out what on earth they are :) | |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | slef about? |
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| 22:20 | wizzyrea | nm :) |
| 22:21 | braedon_ | chris_n: it looks like whenever you save a marc record, it reformats it(obviously), and any tags that Koha doesn't know about, are not transferred over |
| 22:21 | chris_n: the 019 and 695 tags don't appear in the default mark framework at all | |
| 22:24 | chris_n | braedon_: are you hiding or actually removing the tags? |
| 22:26 | braedon_ | not |
| 22:27 | the original marc records are imported | |
| 22:27 | what i am then doing is moving them to the books framework, and saving | |
| 22:28 | chris_n | I missunderstood earlier... by change I meant hiding subfields rather than deleteing tags from the framework |
| 22:28 | braedon_ | and also then to other frameworks, and back to books |
| 22:29 | so should all tags in default be in the others? just some hidden? | |
| 22:30 | chris_n | I'll have to defer on that answer to gmcharlt or someone else more familiar with what goes on when certian tags are actually removed from the framework |
| 22:31 | braedon_ | ok |
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| 22:31 | chris_n | I do know hiding/unhiding does not affect the tag/field in the record |
| 22:31 | braedon_ | cool |
| 22:32 | gmcharlt | right, but once the record passes through the Koha MARC editor, tags not represented in the framework can get stripped |
| 22:32 | (which doesn't actually seem all that good) | |
| 22:32 | * chris_n | agrees |
| 22:32 | braedon_ | "not represented" - hidden or removed? |
| 22:32 | gmcharlt | removed |
| 22:32 | braedon_ | ok |
| 22:33 | chris_n | then, I think the marc editor is on the slate to be revamped at some point iirc |
| 22:33 | braedon_ | that seems to be what i found in the tests |
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| 22:33 | chris_n | I would think you'd like to keep all tags/fields of the original marc record intact |
| 22:33 | and use the framework as a sort of filter for editing/displaying | |
| 22:33 | brendan | wow really likes the URL name - librarypolice.com |
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| 22:35 | braedon_ | who has it? |
| 22:35 | gmcharlt | I do |
| 22:35 | bebbi joined #koha | |
| 22:35 | braedon_ | haha, o, right |
| 22:35 | brendan | gmcharlt you need a matching jacket or varsity jacket kind of thing |
| 22:35 | gmcharlt | no, I need a badge :) |
| 22:36 | brendan | of course :) |
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| 22:39 | pianohacker | brendan: Do you have an online preview of the new VOKAL icons? |
| 22:45 | braedon_ | gmcharlt: does that apply for subfields? or just whole tags? |
| 22:45 | gmcharlt | I think it applies to subfields as well |
| 22:46 | braedon_ | hmm, ok |
| 22:46 | fun times :) | |
| 22:47 | brendan | pianohacker --> http://demo-staff.bywatersolut[…]es.pl?op=add_form |
| 22:47 | username - demo | |
| 22:47 | same for password | |
| 22:48 | right now they are listed as sfdicons -- but I changed that to vokal | |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | sniff test. Aesome |
| 22:50 | awesome, even. | |
| 22:51 | brendan | wizzyrea - I'm going to update the intranet.bywatersolutions.com demo to the current HEAD by the end of today - so you can update that information on koha-community.org |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | woot! |
| 22:52 | email me when you're done and I'll fix it | |
| 22:52 | wizzyreagmail.com |
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| 22:56 | brendan | wizzyrea -> updated now |
| 22:56 | wizzyrea | oh sweet lol that was fast |
| 22:57 | brendan | 3.01.00.111 |
| 22:57 | wizzyrea | ty kindly |
| 22:58 | brendan | sure thing and let me know if you want me to change anything |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | nope you make it look lovely ;) |
| 22:58 | updated | |
| 22:59 | brendan | I may have missed this - what's the process to get access to edit or add to the koha-community |
| 22:59 | wizzyrea | create an account, see the first post on the site |
| 22:59 | there's a link | |
| 22:59 | and if you don't get the email let me know | |
| 23:00 | 1. it's not always instantaneous and 2. it's been getting caught in spam filters a lot | |
| 23:00 | brendan | doh |
| 23:01 | hey cool - if worked I'm registered | |
| 23:01 | s/if/it | |
| 23:02 | wizzyrea | squee! |
| 23:11 | braedon_ | is there some magic to defining issuing rules? nothing i do seems to add anything |
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| 23:15 | brendan | braedon_ this could deal with bug 3870 |
| 23:15 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3870 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, NEW, Can't add circulation and fines rules |
| 23:18 | braedon_ | those three fields are not in my database |
| 23:18 | i am on 3.00.05 at the moment - should they be there? | |
| 23:19 | brendan | hmm.. not sure I was speaking to head |
| 23:19 | I don't have a 3.00.05 database at the moment | |
| 23:20 | braedon_ | i will try adding the fields |
| 23:20 | can always delete them | |
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| 23:22 | braedon_ | fixed |
| 23:22 | magical | |
| 23:22 | thanks | |
| 23:23 | ebegin left #koha | |
| 23:25 | brendan | ah the power of bugs.koha.org++ |
| 23:27 | braedon_ | well, if you know what to search for |
| 23:27 | gmcharlt | vokal++ |
| 23:27 | brendan: do they want a credit in the release notes? | |
| 23:27 | brendan | yes |
| 23:27 | give the credit to Vokal | |
| 23:27 | gmcharlt | Vokal or VOKAL? |
| 23:28 | brendan | http://gmlc.wordpress.com/koha-project/ |
| 23:28 | hmm.. not sure | |
| 23:28 | gmcharlt | heh - they don't seem quite sure either |
| 23:28 | brendan | http://openilsvt.pbworks.com/ |
| 23:29 | gmcharlt | vokal seems the most common |
| 23:29 | brendan | I agree |
| 23:29 | yes give them all the credit | |
| 23:29 | I'm just the middleman | |
| 23:29 | gmcharlt | yeah, I'm asking about the sponsor section specifically |
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| 23:49 | pianohacker | vokal++ # The new icons are very tasteful and consistent |
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| 23:55 | brendan | didn't get this in yet |
| 23:55 | hi pianohacker | |
| 23:55 | greetings | |
| 23:56 | pianohacker | greetings to you too |
| 23:56 | bye again, just wanted to see the new icons :) | |
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| 23:58 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
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| 23:59 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.0�C (3:52 PM PST on February 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Falling). |
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