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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:12 | brendan | wizzyrea you figure out your problem? |
| 00:13 | you need to edit the first two lines of your installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl file | |
| 00:14 | I saw that in my update and that did the trick for me (something happened during the merge or something) | |
| 00:31 | * chris_n | is glad he was not the only one with those two random lines |
| 00:45 | brendan | yeah those two lines have got to be from a bad merge right? |
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| 01:03 | chris_n | yup |
| 01:04 | * chris_n | tried out a vim irc plugin today |
| 01:05 | chris_n | sadly it did not work too well |
| 01:05 | braedon_ | :) |
| 01:06 | i'm on empathy | |
| 01:06 | sadly it does not work too well | |
| 01:06 | but it is getting better | |
| 01:06 | yay for PPAs | |
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| 01:16 | user77 is now known as rhcl_home | |
| 01:18 | chris_n | wizzyrea must be very mobile atm |
| 01:20 | braedon_ | chris_n: do you know what version first broke the biblio view search links? |
| 01:20 | chris_n | braedon_: no, but the fix is a one-liner... hold on |
| 01:24 | braedon_: in C4/Search.pm | |
| 01:24 | find this line: # $query =~ s/:/=/g; | |
| 01:24 | braedon_ | yipyip |
| 01:24 | chris_n | and add just after it this line: $query =~ s/(?<=(ti|au|pb|su|an|kw|mc)):/=/g; |
| 01:24 | do *not* uncomment the line referred to above which is commented out | |
| 01:25 | braedon_ | ok |
| 01:25 | thanks | |
| 01:25 | chris_n | np... and I have not yet submitted the patch to do that, but will tonight or tomorrow |
| 01:26 | braedon_ | how long does it usually take for patches to be applied to the repos, out of interest |
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| 01:37 | chris_n | that depends on gmcharlt's schedule, but this will be in the alpha of 3.2 so not too long from now |
| 01:37 | you can also grab the patch once it posts to the list and apply it to your repo | |
| 01:38 | git should work out the merge when it does show up in the main repo and you rebase | |
| 01:38 | bbiab | |
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| 01:40 | braedon_ | grr, damn empathy crashing |
| 01:40 | ok, thanks chris_n. | |
| 01:41 | braedon_ is now known as braedon | |
| 01:43 | Drew | need some help I am new to koha and I followed the instructions from the wiki but I am getting nothing when I go to port 8080 any ideas? |
| 01:44 | braedon | are you on the machine koha is on? or are you on another? |
| 01:44 | Drew | another |
| 01:44 | braedon | apache may not be set up correctly |
| 01:45 | check your site config for koha | |
| 01:45 | probably something like /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha | |
| 01:45 | (that is what it is on ubuntu/debian at least) | |
| 01:46 | Drew | yeah that is where it is I am using that myself what am I looking for? |
| 01:46 | braedon | if the hosts in that file are set up for 127.0.0.1(localhost), you will need to change them to the IP address of the server |
| 01:47 | Drew | let me check |
| 01:48 | braedon | eg, <VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:80> |
| 01:48 | there will be one lower down for 8080 as well | |
| 01:48 | Drew | yes I changed them before do I need to take out VirtualHost from the title? |
| 01:49 | braedon | what are they set to now? |
| 01:49 | did you restart apache after changing them? | |
| 01:49 | Drew | <VirtualHost 192.168.1123:8080> |
| 01:50 | yes, I have even restart the pc | |
| 01:50 | braedon | you need a extra . |
| 01:50 | i presume between the two 1's | |
| 01:50 | Drew | thats just a typo it is there |
| 01:50 | braedon | lol, ok |
| 01:51 | hmm, not sure then sorry | |
| 01:51 | does port 80 work? | |
| 01:52 | Drew | no if I go to the ip it gives me the koha screen but tells me it is down for maitience |
| 01:52 | so I know that apache is working | |
| 01:52 | braedon | yip |
| 01:52 | so it is jsut the port 8080 virtualhost that isn't working | |
| 01:52 | Drew | or port 80 |
| 01:53 | braedon | the port 80 should give you a maintenance message until you set it up through 8080 |
| 01:55 | can you paste your whole apache koha file in pastebin or something? | |
| 01:55 | Drew | do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080 |
| 01:58 | braedon | as far as i am aware, no |
| 01:58 | Drew | ok give me a sec |
| 01:58 | braedon | but i haven't done a fresh install, so there may be something tricksy elsewhere that i am unaware of |
| 02:05 | Drew | whats the best way to send it? |
| 02:06 | braedon | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 02:06 | then send the link | |
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| 02:07 | Drew | http://pastebin.com/d78047351 |
| 02:13 | braedon | hmm, looks alright to me |
| 02:13 | sorry. anyone else have any ideas? | |
| 02:14 | Drew | you think it is an apache problem or a koha |
| 02:15 | braedon | what is it giving you on 8080 exactly? |
| 02:16 | Drew | The webpage cannot be displayed |
| 02:17 | braedon | i would say it is an apache config issue |
| 02:17 | Drew | ok then I will look in that dirction for answers thanks for the help. |
| 02:19 | braedon | no probs. sorry i couldn't be more help |
| 02:19 | and don't restrict the search to apache too strictly. that is only my guess :P | |
| 02:22 | chris_n | Drew: is your apache configured to listen on port 8080? |
| 02:24 | braedon | "- Drew, 14:52 - do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080" |
| 02:29 | chris_n | missed that |
| 02:32 | Drew: what do the apache logs say? ie. /var/log/apache2/error.log and access.log | |
| 02:37 | braedon | chris_n: where abouts should that line "# $query =~ s/:/=/g;" be? The only one I an find isn't commented |
| 02:37 | s/I an/I can/ | |
| 02:37 | chris_n | in that case, comment it and add the one I gave below it |
| 02:38 | braedon | i tried that, and it doesn't seem to work |
| 02:41 | what exactly is it supposed to fix(in case i am getting the wrong end of the stick here) | |
| 02:45 | chris_n | normalizing the query by removing all : results in the inability to search on anything containing a : |
| 02:45 | the new regexp normalizes by removing only query limit pragma | |
| 02:46 | ie. ti: au: etc | |
| 02:47 | but if the original line was not commented out, your search links should have worked | |
| 02:47 | so maybe there is something else wronge there | |
| 02:47 | what version are you using? | |
| 02:48 | s/wronge/wrong/ | |
| 02:48 | Drew | the log says file not found |
| 02:52 | chris_n | Drew: which file? |
| 02:52 | Drew | error.log |
| 02:56 | chris_n | which file does the log say is not found? |
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| 03:07 | braedon | chris_n: sorry, was afk |
| 03:07 | using 3.0.5 currently | |
| 03:08 | have used, and is broken in, 3.0.4, and git head | |
| 03:08 | and git 3.0.x actually | |
| 03:08 | works in 3.0.1 | |
| 03:08 | Drew | this is the line [error] [client 192.168.11.54] File does not exist: /var/www/:8080 |
| 03:09 | chris | ahh you are putting the :8080 in the wrong place |
| 03:10 | it needs to before the slash | |
| 03:10 | http://your.ip.number:8080/ | |
| 03:10 | or http://your.domain.name:8080/ | |
| 03:10 | Drew | thats what i did |
| 03:11 | chris | can you paste exactly what you did? |
| 03:11 | Drew | might have messed it up once but thats the only error i found |
| 03:11 | 192.168.11.23:8080 | |
| 03:11 | chris | right, well that error must have occured the one time you messed it up |
| 03:12 | whats in the access log? | |
| 03:15 | Drew | nothing that i can see thats an error |
| 03:18 | chris | what does it list when you hit that url above? |
| 03:18 | Drew | The webpage cannot be displayed |
| 03:18 | chris | no, what does the access log say |
| 03:19 | does it get an entry at all? | |
| 03:19 | and if you go | |
| 03:19 | telnet 192.168.11.23 8080 | |
| 03:19 | do you get a connection? | |
| 03:21 | Drew | 127.0.0.1 - - [02/Feb/2010:11:38:52 +0900] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.10 with Suhosin-Patch (internal dummy connection)" |
| 03:24 | if i telnet i get nothing it does connect | |
| 03:25 | chris | ok so its definitely listening on port 8080 |
| 03:25 | Drew | it would seem so it just won't respond |
| 03:26 | chris | whats the virtualhost line of your intranet section of the httpd.conf file? |
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| 03:27 | Drew | the file is blank |
| 03:35 | chris_n | I think on ubuntu that is apache2.conf |
| 03:38 | Drew | there is no virtualhost line in that file |
| 03:41 | chris_n | braedon: add '$query =~ s/(?<=rtrn):/=/g;' immediately after the line I had you add a moment ago and see if that fixes things up |
| 03:41 | both lines I had you add should be there and uncommented | |
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| 03:46 | Amit | heya brendan, chris |
| 03:46 | morning #koha | |
| 03:47 | chris_n | howdy Amit |
| 03:47 | Amit | heya chris_n2 |
| 03:47 | chris_n | actually I'm just one now :-) |
| 03:48 | I got an irc proxy up and running thanks to several who pointed me in the right direction | |
| 03:52 | Jo | pop quizz: koha consortia serving populations over 4 million, or 'all of country or state" |
| 03:52 | virtula lolly pop for the first 5 answers :) | |
| 03:57 | brendan | hey amit |
| 03:57 | Amit | heya JO |
| 03:58 | brendan | Jo "all of country" |
| 04:00 | chris | http://www.scls.info/ has 3.6 million volumes does 11262790 circ transactions per year |
| 04:03 | Jo | Amit: as in all of NZ, or an entire state in US or India |
| 04:03 | Hands lollypop to Chris .. :) | |
| 04:04 | brendan | oh I get it now |
| 04:04 | chris | its hard to know masscat has a lot of libraries mostly small though |
| 04:04 | brendan | howard county |
| 04:05 | whoops off by a month | |
| 04:05 | errr.. year | |
| 04:05 | Jo | scls - what state is that? |
| 04:05 | chris | wisconsin |
| 04:05 | vicki | |
| 04:06 | Jo | cool. |
| 04:06 | thanks - needed a very cool example | |
| 04:06 | Amit | Delhi public library completed 60 years |
| 04:06 | i think oldest library in india | |
| 04:06 | chris | there must be 4 million ppl in delhi easy |
| 04:06 | Jo | Kerala state : whats the story with that one again? |
| 04:07 | delhi is a g ood one | |
| 04:07 | Hands lollypop to Amit :) | |
| 04:07 | Amit | http://dpl.gov.in/ |
| 04:08 | Jo | delhi: how many branches or sites would you think? |
| 04:08 | Amit | 45 branches |
| 04:09 | Jo | amit: thank you. |
| 04:09 | Amit | np |
| 04:10 | Jo | Masscat: any idea how many partner libraries or service sites |
| 04:11 | chris | no idea, you could email nora |
| 04:11 | nblake at masscat.org | |
| 04:12 | ok hometime | |
| 04:12 | bbl | |
| 04:13 | Jo | thanks everyone |
| 04:13 | Amit | heya chris |
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| 04:32 | chris_n | @later tell hdl_laptop I resubmitted a corrected patch for bug 4074; the 3.0.x version is here: http://git.foundations.edu/?p=[…]75edfb1a4ebf6b47f and can be pulled from there if you like |
| 04:32 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:33 | chris_n | g'night #koha |
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| 07:24 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 07:51 | imp | moin :) |
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| 08:25 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:29 | imp | heyho kf :) |
| 08:29 | kf | heyho imp ;) |
| 08:30 | Ropuch | Hello kf, imp :) |
| 08:31 | kf | good morning Ropuch |
| 08:44 | Amit | heya kf, Ropuch |
| 08:45 | magnus | good time-of-the-day-or-night #koha |
| 08:45 | kf | morning Amit and magnus |
| 08:45 | Amit | heya magnus |
| 08:46 | magnus | hi, kf and Amit |
| 08:51 | hdl_laptop | hi magnus |
| 08:51 | magnus | hi hdl_laptop |
| 08:52 | hdl_laptop | thx chris_n. |
| 09:43 | * chris | reads magnus blog |
| 09:43 | magnus | chris: and understands everything? ;-) |
| 09:44 | chris | mostly, google translate does a good job |
| 09:44 | it seems the swedish report was very complimentary toward koha | |
| 09:47 | magnus | oh, yes - the title says it all really |
| 09:47 | they point out some things that are particular to sweden + translations, but otherwise they really like it | |
| 09:48 | chris | very cool |
| 09:50 | magnus | yup |
| 09:50 | i'm using it for all it's worth to make norwegian librarians aware of the benefits of koha too... | |
| 09:51 | chris | good idea |
| 09:51 | be nice to get a good koha presence in scandanavia | |
| 09:51 | magnus | i'm doing my best... |
| 09:51 | chris | :) |
| 09:52 | magnus | in the middle of march there will be the annual norwegian library conference, where i will have a stand to promote koha and myself. and nicomo will be there to help too :-) |
| 09:53 | i'm very anxious to hear and feel what the response will be there | |
| 09:54 | chris | i feel that 2010 is going to be a good year for koha |
| 09:55 | magnus | me too |
| 10:00 | and i would love to "round it out" by going to kohacon, but i'll need some more customers first i think... | |
| 10:04 | Ropuch | Heh |
| 10:06 | kf | German library conference is in march too |
| 10:06 | Ropuch | I'm still considering sightseeing trip to NZ with Kohacon as a bonus |
| 10:06 | But it would cost all of my savings | |
| 10:06 | kf | Ropuch: I know your problem |
| 10:07 | I would really like to go too.. but I will be really expensive | |
| 10:07 | I = it | |
| 10:08 | Ropuch | Althought I'm years past my student times, I thinking about just getting there and try get some part time job to cover my expenses, just as I did in NOrway back then ;> |
| 10:08 | magnus | Ropuch: sounds like a good idea! |
| 10:08 | Ropuch | Librarian on the road ;-) |
| 10:09 | The flight cost alone is a killer | |
| 10:10 | kf | yes :( |
| 10:10 | Ropuch | And hitchhiking the plane is not an option ;> |
| 10:13 | chris: can I assemble a tent on your yard? ;-) | |
| 10:13 | I mean: in | |
| 10:14 | Is "pitching a tent" used in realtion to a tent? | |
| 10:15 | http://www.urbandictionary.com[…]term=pitch+a+tent | |
| 10:15 | kf | I ll bring mine too :) |
| 10:15 | hm playing with dates, not flying on weekends gets cheaper | |
| 10:15 | still enough to buy a real nice new laptop :( | |
| 10:16 | Ropuch | Still it's 1300-1500 euro |
| 10:17 | kf | yes |
| 10:17 | Ropuch | I'm a big fan of cheap laptops ;> |
| 10:17 | kf | hm I have one for 1209.00 EUR here |
| 10:18 | flight, not laptop | |
| 10:18 | Ropuch | I must geto to Germany first |
| 10:20 | kf | ah ok |
| 10:21 | Ropuch | Oh, +/- 50 eoros is nothing compraed to final amount ;> |
| 10:21 | kf | hm? |
| 10:23 | Ropuch | I was thinking about cost of trip to Berlin/Hannover |
| 10:23 | kf | because it might be cheaper to fly from here? |
| 10:24 | magnus | what sites are you guys using to look for tickets? any recomendations? |
| 10:25 | kf | I think there are several sites for finding cheap flights - but I have no recommendation |
| 10:25 | flying too seldom | |
| 10:27 | magnus | me to... |
| 10:29 | kf | perhaps chris has some tips |
| 10:29 | or nengard | |
| 10:31 | chris | i usually use travelocity |
| 10:31 | kf | ah, hi chris |
| 10:32 | chris | then book direct with the airline |
| 10:32 | lufthansa is part of the star alliance | |
| 10:32 | same as air nz | |
| 10:33 | kf | star alliance? |
| 10:33 | chris | means they often code share flights |
| 10:33 | i flew lufthansa to vienna, and also to munich | |
| 10:33 | kf | thx! |
| 10:33 | * Ropuch | making notes |
| 10:33 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 10:33 | chris | they stop in singapore or thailand usually |
| 10:33 | kf | me too |
| 10:35 | chris | whats the nearest big airport to you kf? |
| 10:35 | kf | stuttgart |
| 10:35 | or perhaps zürich (switzerland) | |
| 10:37 | chris | looks like lufthansa's main hub is frankfurt |
| 10:37 | so they all fly through there | |
| 10:38 | kf | stuttgart london seems to work too |
| 10:38 | and 1/2 days +- are making a difference too - will need more time for this :) | |
| 10:39 | chris | yeah |
| 10:40 | yeah stuttgart -> london -> hong kong -> nz | |
| 10:41 | seems to be cheapest so far | |
| 10:42 | http://www.igougo.com/traveldeals/ratefinder.aspx | |
| 10:46 | ok time for sleep for me | |
| 10:46 | night all | |
| 10:47 | kf | good night chris |
| 10:48 | magnus | sleep tight |
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| 10:58 | CGI693 | hi All! I installed koha-3.004_fixed on debian-lenny, |
| 10:58 | I read documents properly, but Im still in cofusion, that how koha function | |
| 10:59 | how can I place books in different shelving locations | |
| 10:59 | can any body help me? | |
| 11:01 | Amit | hi CGI693 |
| 11:01 | what problem | |
| 11:04 | CGI693 | Im new user of KOHA |
| 11:05 | and I review the documentation but still Im in cofusion, that wht is different b/w item types and lists | |
| 11:05 | and how can I add books in different shelves | |
| 11:07 | hdl_laptop | item types are the type of items and rules for check-in and out. |
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| 11:08 | hdl_laptop | lists were named virtualshelves : they are just there to store some records for more visibility and work |
| 11:10 | CGI693: for shelving locations, in koha, and in libraries, you can use itemcallnumber. | |
| 11:11 | CGI693 | how can I use callnumber |
| 11:13 | I add some books but when I want to search these from OPAC search catalogue, they dont show there | |
| 11:15 | hdl_laptop | CGI693: have you launched indexation ? |
| 11:15 | are you using zebra or no zebra mode ? | |
| 11:16 | CGI693 | Im using zebra mode |
| 11:16 | I did not get " launched indexation" ...?? | |
| 11:20 | ?? | |
| 11:25 | Im not able to search opac catalgue from reserviours data | |
| 11:25 | while books are present but it do not show in catalogue from opac | |
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| 13:27 | hilongo | good morning to all :) |
| 13:27 | jwagner | G'morning. |
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| 13:33 | jwagner | Oh, by the way... |
| 13:33 | kf++ for yesterday's patron attribute help :-) | |
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| 13:35 | hilongo | I have updated my Koha to 3.0.5 and I'm having a 'dia'critial problem ... |
| 13:36 | is there someone who can lend me a hand on that matter around? :) | |
| 13:39 | kf | karma yay :) |
| 13:39 | jwagner | Meant to do that yesterday, but I was too excited about getting it to work! |
| 13:40 | kf | jwagner++ # for discussing fines and notices with me :) |
| 13:40 | @karma kf | |
| 13:40 | munin | kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. |
| 13:41 | jwagner | Awwww, getting karma back :-) |
| 13:42 | hilongo, you can ask, don't know whether anyone is online that has an answer.... | |
| 13:42 | kf | @karma cait |
| 13:42 | munin | kf: cait has neutral karma. |
| 13:45 | gmcharlt | cait++ |
| 13:46 | kf: happy now? :) | |
| 13:47 | hilongo: what's your question? | |
| 13:47 | jwagner | Hey, kf/cait can accumulate karma under two identities! That's not fair. I need to start logging in with an alternate persona!!! |
| 13:48 | kf | gmcharlt: not sure this is fair |
| 13:48 | gmcharlt | sockpuppets FTW! |
| 13:49 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
| 13:49 | hilongo | the thing is ... that I seem to have two sets of diacritics in my database.. back in v3.0.1 I fixed this adding some equivalences in word-phrase-utf.chr and sort-string-utf.chr |
| 13:49 | jdavidb is now known as that_other_jdav | |
| 13:49 | hilongo | under /etc/koha... |
| 13:49 | that_other_jdav is now known as jdavidb | |
| 13:50 | owen | jdavidb: Not enough time to score some karma |
| 13:50 | * jdavidb | hasn't done much karma-worthy lately, anyway. |
| 13:51 | hilongo | after the upgrade to v3.0.5 same problem presented, because of new word-phrase and sort-string files |
| 13:52 | hdl_laptop | hi gmcharlt |
| 13:52 | gmcharlt | hi hdl_laptop |
| 13:53 | hilongo | but now I can't add the equivalences to the sort-string-utf.chr file, cause it complains on saving with a 'CONVERSION ERROR' from vim ... |
| 13:53 | owen | jdavidb: Toiling away for clients is toiling away in obscurity |
| 13:53 | gmcharlt | news for you - this evening I'll be bringing in the last of the patches for 3.2 and tarring up the alpha |
| 13:53 | jdavidb | Indeed, owen. |
| 13:54 | jwagner | gmcharlt++ yippeee! |
| 13:54 | gmcharlt | hilongo: do you get this conversion error if you open the file in vi and try saving it without making any changes? |
| 13:56 | jdavidb | gmcharlt++ |
| 13:57 | nengard | gmcharlt++ woo hoo |
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| 14:03 | magnus | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:03 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:04 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:05 | imp | \o/ |
| 14:06 | * imp | will try the alpha version :D |
| 14:06 | imp | gmcharlt++ |
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| 14:30 | Colin | is hdl_laptop about? |
| 14:30 | hdl_laptop | hi Colin |
| 14:31 | magnus | i think there was talk a while back about making available test-installations for people to try and hunt for bugs, without requiring everyone to set up their own installations. anyone thought any more about that? |
| 14:31 | Colin | Hi a question on enddate in serials. You can add a subscription without one |
| 14:31 | but not receive a copy until you renew | |
| 14:32 | magnus | i have one at http://head.bibkat.no/ http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ username = password = demo that i will share with anyone |
| 14:32 | and i'll make sure it's updated to alpha as soon as i can after it's out | |
| 14:33 | Colin | Was the logic to force the renew or should you require the enddate on add |
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| 14:42 | jdavidb | Hm...anyone seen anything useful that might help with Bug 2629 ? I've got a couple of sites that are fussing about this |
| 14:42 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2629 major, P1, ---, jmf liblime.com, NEW, Diacritics not being ignored when searching |
| 14:43 | hdl_laptop | Colin: maybe we could require the enddate or try and process that from subscription data |
| 14:43 | jdavidb: I guess you should try to setup yaz-icu | |
| 14:44 | kf | jdavidb: icu indexinb |
| 14:44 | nengard | csv profiles question ... why are the seperators listed 2 times each? Is this a bug or is there a reason I need it twice? |
| 14:45 | kf | jdavidb: you can test in our library catalog if you want to, it works fine there |
| 14:46 | jdavidb | okay.. gonna go do some searching, and figure out how to do that... |
| 14:48 | nengard | hdl_laptop any ideas why the seperator fields are duplicated on the CSV profiles tool? |
| 14:49 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: I posted some icu files and you have some on Univ_Lyon3 branch on git.biblibre.com |
| 14:49 | nengard: bad conflict merge ? | |
| 14:49 | I guess. | |
| 14:49 | nengard | okay - so it's a bug :) |
| 14:49 | jdavidb | hdl_laptop++ |
| 14:49 | nengard | will report and try to fix |
| 14:49 | owen | nengard: I'm working on that template now |
| 14:49 | jdavidb | Thanks! Is it just a matter of installing the package, and reconfiguring/reindexing zebra? |
| 14:50 | nengard | owen can you remove the dup fields then too? |
| 14:50 | owen | Yes |
| 14:50 | nengard | thanks :)( |
| 14:50 | or :) | |
| 14:50 | hdl_laptop | installing the package, + tweak zebra configuration |
| 14:51 | jdavidb | I see etc/zebra/etc/icu.xml; I gather that's the config that tells icu how to do stuff? |
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| 14:54 | nengard | okay - documentation question re: csv profiles - what does each seperator mean? what's the diff between a csv sperator, field seperator and subfield seperator? |
| 14:55 | jdavidb | hdl_laptop: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]nuary/022269.html ? This what I need? |
| 14:56 | hdl_laptop | yep |
| 14:57 | jdavidb | hdl_laptop++ again, just because! Gonna spin this up on a test instance, make sure I get it right before I subject my customers to my fumblin'. |
| 14:59 | jwagner | Gee, lots of karma floating around this morning :-) |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | brendan: thanks for the tip, will do :) |
| 15:11 | brendan | ah sure thing wizzyrea :) |
| 15:12 | hdl_laptop | nengard: csv separator is for the csv "fields" in your excel file |
| 15:12 | nengard: But you can have multiple tags and subfields answering your question | |
| 15:12 | imagine 700$a | |
| 15:12 | and you have 10 700 tags... | |
| 15:13 | nengard | OH!!! that makes sense |
| 15:13 | hdl_laptop | There comes the field separator |
| 15:13 | nengard | and then the $ is the subfield separator? |
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| 15:13 | hdl_laptop | And had you had multiple $a in your 700 then you would use the subfield separator |
| 15:13 | for instance ; as csv | |
| 15:14 | for instance / as field separator | |
| 15:14 | for instance -- as subfield separator | |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | brilliant, it worked |
| 15:14 | thanks again | |
| 15:15 | hdl_laptop | my;field;is;great;Ratzinger**Benedito/Wojtila**john-Paul;.... |
| 15:16 | nengard | thanks hdl_laptop!! |
| 15:20 | owen just saw the work you did on subscriptions display in the OPAC - nice work!! Thanks :) | |
| 15:21 | jdavidb | hdl_laptop: after setting icu up, is it necessary to reindex? I've got the modified default.idx and icu.xml in place, and restarted zebra, but no change to results. |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | yes, you need to reindex |
| 15:21 | hdl_laptop | sure you have to. |
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| 15:22 | jdavidb | figured probably so. Thanks! |
| 15:28 | Colin | hdl_laptop: thanks I'll take a look at ensuring enddate gets set |
| 15:29 | hdl_laptop | thanks Colin |
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| 15:39 | owen | hdl_laptop: Can you look at Bug 4090? |
| 15:39 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4090 minor, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, subscription ID showing in OPAC - confusing |
| 15:39 | owen | Is there a reason why a librarian would need to filter by a subscription ID? |
| 15:40 | The ID number doesn't mean much to the librarian, let alone a patron | |
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| 15:42 | hdl_laptop | mmm maybe... I think it was asked. |
| 15:43 | But if we could use a pretty jqueryfilter so that user can filter branchcode or even serialseq.... Then i think it would do the job | |
| 15:43 | owen | serialseq? |
| 15:43 | hdl_laptop | serial name |
| 15:46 | owen | Isn't a filter by branchcode all you would need? Unless you expect one library branch to have duplicate subscriptions to the same title |
| 15:47 | nengard | owen, i would expect one library to have multiple subscriptions with the same name |
| 15:47 | name/title | |
| 15:47 | owen | One library branch? |
| 15:48 | nengard | the way it works now if you have 2 copies of Computers in Libraries at your branch you need two subscriptions |
| 15:48 | yes | |
| 15:48 | owen | But there is no way, other than with subscription ID, to distinguish the two |
| 15:48 | nengard | but as I'm the bug reporter - I still see no reason for the patron to know how many subscriptions the library has set up or their IDs |
| 15:48 | owen - not that I know of ... | |
| 15:51 | owen | So nengard you think all we need is the library filter? |
| 15:51 | nengard | On the OPAC - I see no reason why the patron would need anything else ... but if hdl_laptop was asked to put it there - maybe we need find out why |
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| 16:04 | ccurry | Hello everyone. A few questions about serials: |
| 16:04 | I'm working on getting the serials module working correctly (or at least limping along). When receiving a new item from within a subscription record, some data is automatically generated in the item record. The call number is applied (as defined in system preferences "itemcallnumber") and "serialseq" ( from serial items table) is inserted into subfield v Cost, replacement price. The... | |
| 16:04 | ...latter is obviously a mistake, and is easy enough to fix by editing line 73 of /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serials-edit.tmpl, replacing "v" with "h" to populate h - Serial Enumeration / chronology with "serialseq" instead. | |
| 16:04 | http://pastebin.com/m4e03ad68 | |
| 16:05 | owen | Bug 3899 |
| 16:05 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3899 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengardgmail.com, NEW, Receive Serial Item Has Copy Info in Wrong Field |
| 16:06 | ccurry | I'm trying to do a more involved customization to populate $h with "publisheddate" from the serialitems table and append "serialseq" to the call number in $o. Any tips on how I can achieve this? |
| 16:06 | munin: thanks. good to know. | |
| 16:06 | munin | ccurry: Error: "thanks." is not a valid command. |
| 16:07 | ccurry | interesting. I never know when I'm talking to a robot on IRC...that's a smart one. |
| 16:08 | owen | munin spits out details of bugs if you give a bug number |
| 16:08 | munin | owen: Error: "spits" is not a valid command. |
| 16:08 | ccurry | duh |
| 16:08 | owen: thanks | |
| 16:09 | I tried copying the js from the pastebin above and changing the subfield to o and replacing serialseq with publisheddate, but this doesn't output the publisheddate field...and overwrites the call number generated by system preferences, so I guess something more sophisticated is necessary? | |
| 16:15 | In addition, $c, shelving location is missing from this form...I checked the MARC Bibliographic Framework and the code for the hidden field of 952$c is correct & it displays correctly when creating a non-serial item. | |
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| 16:27 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 16:34 | schuster | hey all - owen have a minute to look at something dealing with printing? |
| 16:34 | owen | Sure |
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| 16:35 | schuster | If we pull up an item in the edit mode - and do file print we get 3 pages - title, grid, and then the Edit item #XXXX |
| 16:36 | on the Edit item page all cells/fields are filled in on the printout. | |
| 16:36 | If we do file print and say print ONLY page 3 to 3 which is the edit item page all the fields are blank except #2, 8, a, b, c, y | |
| 16:37 | Thoughts? | |
| 16:38 | owen | schuster: This isn't a new issue is it? I seem to recall you asking about this before. |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | you know |
| 16:39 | what a great feature it would be to have a print friendly items view | |
| 16:40 | * wizzyrea | puts that on her list |
| 16:40 | schuster | You are correct not a new item, but it bubbled to the top of my stack of papers again. |
| 16:40 | * chris_n | wonders if wizzyrea can see the bottom of her list |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | heh, no |
| 16:41 | sok though | |
| 16:41 | owen | schuster: I get the same thing. |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | really it's more like an idea bucket |
| 16:45 | schuster | Ok idea bucket tip over and let the ideas flow to completion!! wizzyrea has all the answers right? |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | no, no I don't |
| 16:46 | hmm | |
| 16:46 | perhaps I should post my idea bucket somewhere online :/ | |
| 16:46 | schuster | I think we need to put all those ideas into bugzilla as enhancements so that others can chime in and possible help... |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | yea, but most of my ideas are half baked and kind of dum |
| 16:46 | b | |
| 16:46 | ;) | |
| 16:47 | schuster | Hey doesn't hurt, I half baked one and I think it is almost complete!! URL checker... |
| 16:47 | Timer hasn't dinged, but it is getting close. | |
| 16:47 | So owen any suggestions on how to fix that so the data comes all the way through? | |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | you are looking at the edit items screen? |
| 16:48 | owen | schuster: The print stylesheet needs to be modified |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | file a bug I'd guess |
| 16:48 | schuster | yes wizzyrea - if you print all 3 pages it comes out ok, if you print page 3 of 3 most of the fields are blank. |
| 16:49 | owen | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]326d066c6;hb=HEAD |
| 16:49 | Line 205 says to hide <input> when printing | |
| 16:49 | ...but I don't see why it wouldn't do that whether or not you're printing page 3 of 3 | |
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| 16:54 | schuster | smm still a mystery... |
| 16:55 | owen | schuster: Were you able to tweak that file? |
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| 16:56 | schuster | head looks different than mine at the moment. So I'm investigating. Since I'm on like .36... |
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| 17:03 | owen | schuster: True. Yours probably doesn't have that line, and therefore my hypothesis is incorrect. |
| 17:04 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 17:04 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.4�C (9:00 AM PST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:08 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 17:08 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 2.0�C (12:02 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | schuster: i'm trying to understand your issue. You have a problem with http://screencast.com/t/NzUwNTRmY2I |
| 17:11 | owen | schuster: ...and yet the fix worked for me :| |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | that view? |
| 17:11 | owen | wizzyrea: Do you have the Web Developer Firefox addon? |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | I have firebug |
| 17:12 | i will get it | |
| 17:12 | if it will help | |
| 17:13 | hmm, 3/3 looks like http://screencast.com/t/OWM2YjJjZ | |
| 17:13 | owen | It has a nice option for viewing pages using the CSS files for alternate media types. Good for testing your print CSS |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | oooh |
| 17:13 | chris_n | neat |
| 17:13 | owen | wizzyrea: That's 3/3 of a printout? |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 17:15 | chris_n | owen: is this it? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-[…]/addon/60?src=api |
| 17:15 | schuster | 3/3 on the screen looks ok - its when it actually goes to the printer that it is missing the data. |
| 17:15 | owen | wizzyrea: Yes |
| 17:15 | wizzyrea | that's the print preview |
| 17:15 | ||
| 17:15 | <- on a mac though | |
| 17:16 | so, if i were to print that, it would come out the same | |
| 17:16 | schuster | print preview looks ok that's what is strange - no probably would be missing the data. |
| 17:16 | wizzyrea | not on mine |
| 17:17 | * owen | highly recommends the Web Developer addon. It pre-dates Firebug and does some things Firebug doesn't |
| 17:17 | wizzyrea | i just printed it L. |
| 17:17 | :/ | |
| 17:18 | owen: will def check it out | |
| 17:20 | schuster | I downloaded it, but I need to "restart" firefox |
| 17:20 | wizzyrea | http://img70.yfrog.com/i/qkkl.jpg/ |
| 17:20 | that's what my two prints look like :/ | |
| 17:20 | owen | Sorry chris_n: that "Yes" was meant for you :) |
| 17:21 | chris_n | got it and installed :-) |
| 17:21 | owen | Sounds like this may be a PC problem. |
| 17:21 | * chris_n | loves tools that make life easier... especially with web developing |
| 17:21 | schuster | can't get to that one - my network proxy blocks it... So are you missing barcode or does yours display. |
| 17:21 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | mine display on both |
| 17:21 | Ropuch | Web Developer plugin is must ;> |
| 17:21 | schuster | phewey |
| 17:22 | wizzyrea | ooh look at all of the new shiny buttons |
| 17:22 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 17:22 | Evening #koha | |
| 17:22 | schuster | bblb |
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| 17:22 | wizzyrea | owen: you are on a PC? |
| 17:22 | * wizzyrea | is also using FF 3.6 |
| 17:22 | owen | At work I am, at home I'm on a Mac. |
| 17:23 | wizzyrea | you are presumably at work right now :) |
| 17:24 | * owen | checks for pants |
| 17:24 | owen | Yup, work. |
| 17:24 | http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html | |
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| 17:25 | owen | schuster, is this what you see? http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html |
| 17:26 | schuster | my *()^)*&^)&*( filter doesn't let me get to some of those sites. Are you showing me code or printout? |
| 17:26 | I can share either with you... | |
| 17:27 | owen | http://zivotdesign.com/example[…]em-print-view.png |
| 17:28 | schuster: Your filter is protecting you. We've been trying to trick you into looking at naughty pictures at work. | |
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| 17:29 | schuster | yes that is what I see when I look at css media type |
| 17:29 | Ropuch | ..and i fell for it ;> |
| 17:29 | schuster | |
| 17:30 | owen | schuster: I mean is that what you get when you print it |
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| 17:30 | schuster | oh yes that is what I get when I print it - but things are lined up nicely. |
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| 17:34 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 17:34 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.7�C (11:30 AM CST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:37 | brendan | hi moodaepo |
| 17:38 | moodaepo | Hey brendan seems like we are back to being polar-opposites with ze weather : ) |
| 17:38 | brendan | heh ;) |
| 17:38 | owen | polar is right |
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| 17:38 | schuster | schuster is killing trees... sorry... |
| 17:39 | moodaepo | Well the Canucks got me beat most of the time so I feel warmer when I do this... |
| 17:39 | @wunder montreal | |
| 17:39 | munin | moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 17:39 | brendan | my favorite is |
| 17:39 | moodaepo | @wunder Montreal, QC Canada |
| 17:39 | brendan | @wunder north pole, alaska |
| 17:39 | munin | moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 17:39 | brendan: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -31.1�C (8:32 AM AKST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -70.0�C. Windchill: -31.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). | |
| 17:39 | moodaepo | brendan++ |
| 17:40 | owen | "Humidity: -999%" ?! |
| 17:40 | * moodaepo | tries it one last time |
| 17:40 | moodaepo | @wunder Montreal, Canada |
| 17:40 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -12.0�C (12:00 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:40 | brendan | yay! |
| 17:42 | moodaepo | It was -30s in Montreal a couple of weeks back when we were in the -20s, wonder how el norte pole was doing. @wunder should be able to do past weather! |
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| 17:52 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 17:52 | munin | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 17.0�C (10:50 PM IST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:53 | jdavidb | @wunder 20817 |
| 17:53 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 3.2�C (12:44 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 7 am EST Wednesday... |
| 17:53 | schuster | owen - so we have decided this print problem is a local issue correct? |
| 17:53 | * jdavidb | goes "eep!" |
| 17:54 | owen | schuster: Were you able to confirm or deny the existence of a declaration in your print stylesheet that hides inputs? |
| 17:55 | /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/print.css | |
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| 17:55 | schuster | hmmm - what would that declaration look like? sorry still learning. |
| 17:56 | .print { display : inline; | |
| 17:56 | owen | input, fieldset.action, .list-actions { display: none; } |
| 17:57 | schuster | I do not have that line in my code. So when you changed yours to??? it worked? or comment it out? |
| 17:58 | owen | schuster: I took out the "input, " part of that line and it worked for me. Since you don't even have that I'm not sure what's going on. |
| 17:59 | schuster | OK - I'll bang a little on this with some of the other stylesheets that are referenced to see if that makes a difference. |
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| 18:19 | nengard | chris_n do i need a perl module for the patron card tool to work? cause i keep getting errorswhen clicking different links |
| 18:19 | chris_n | nengard: you must install Graphics::Magick |
| 18:20 | nengard | k that needs to be added to the about page |
| 18:20 | installing now | |
| 18:21 | chris_n that wasn't it :) | |
| 18:21 | still getting errors when clicking links - off to bug report them for you | |
| 18:21 | chris_n | use the package maintainer's version as there is no cpan version |
| 18:22 | beware that Image::Magick will not work | |
| 18:24 | nengard: that link works on two different installations here | |
| 18:25 | does the error log say anything else? | |
| 18:25 | nengard | chris_n that was all another language for me .... what command do I type? |
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| 18:25 | chris_n | what kind of install are you running? |
| 18:25 | and do you have command line access? | |
| 18:26 | nengard | yes |
| 18:26 | and i'm about to get you the log file as well | |
| 18:27 | is it possible that the errors are because I don't have templates/layouts/etc set up already | |
| 18:27 | and if so then we need to disable those links if you don't have things set up yet | |
| 18:27 | cause the new user will find nothing but errors :) | |
| 18:27 | chris_n | ? |
| 18:27 | nope | |
| 18:27 | nengard | oh oka :( darn - then hang on - getting error log now |
| 18:28 | chris_n | all links are good regardless |
| 18:28 | * chris_n | imagines something broke during your upgrade |
| 18:28 | chris_n | if you are on dev install over git |
| 18:29 | nengard | updated bug 4096 with error log |
| 18:29 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4096 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswongerfoundations.edu, NEW, Patron Card Tool throwing many errors |
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| 18:30 | chris_n | nengard: I'm looking at bug 4094 |
| 18:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4094 critical, P5, ---, cnighswongerfoundations.edu, NEW, link to manage images broken |
| 18:31 | nengard | chris_n there were 2 bugs - one was 500 error the others were scripting errors |
| 18:31 | so I split them up | |
| 18:31 | chris_n | nengard: your upgrade did not work |
| 18:31 | nengard | heh |
| 18:31 | lovely | |
| 18:31 | chris_n | and you are missing db tables |
| 18:31 | nengard | hmm |
| 18:31 | k - so will checking out a new branch work? | |
| 18:31 | chris_n | there have been a number of issue with updatedatabase.pl over the past few months |
| 18:31 | nengard | oh |
| 18:32 | yeah - i did fix some of them | |
| 18:32 | chris_n | I would suggest starting over with a clean db |
| 18:32 | and run the webinstaller from scratch | |
| 18:32 | then see if there are still errors | |
| 18:32 | Colin | if you use the current updatedatebase you need to delete the first two lines |
| 18:32 | nengard | :( doing that loses my patron and catalog data - which means starting all over with subscriptions and stuff - which makes documenting hard - |
| 18:33 | schuster | BACKUP! |
| 18:33 | wizzyrea | afk |
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| 18:34 | schuster | owen - what about intranet-print.css does that come into play? |
| 18:34 | nengard | okay - brain is really tired - need to feed it - lunch time |
| 18:34 | closed the bugs | |
| 18:37 | chris_n | nengard: you don't have to drop your current db, just create another and adjust koha-conf.xml accordingly |
| 18:38 | test what you like in patron cards and then switch back to your previous db | |
| 18:38 | chris | ok, off to catch my bus, might be a bit late to the meeting, my apologies if so |
| 18:39 | schuster | LUNCH quick! |
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| 18:48 | cait | hi koha |
| 18:48 | brendan | heya cait |
| 18:49 | cait | hi brendan |
| 18:49 | the meeting is in a few minutes, right? | |
| 18:50 | brendan | yes in about 10 minutes |
| 18:50 | if I've done the time conversions correctly ;) | |
| 18:51 | Colin | I'll confirm it from the no-conversions timezone |
| 18:52 | brendan | thanks Colin |
| 18:52 | cait | :) |
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| 19:00 | nengard | dog decided to get sick all over the carpet - i'm here but cleaning |
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| 19:02 | imp | :( |
| 19:02 | slef | Hi all. |
| 19:02 | gmcharlt | it's time, I believe |
| 19:03 | Lee | Sorry off to another meeting but I will read transcript |
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| 19:03 | davi | hi |
| 19:03 | wizzy_lunch | hey peps |
| 19:03 | slef | wizzy_lunch: YO! |
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| 19:04 | slef | gmcharlt: are you in the chair, or is someone with no LL/PTFS links better? |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | I'll chair if nobody else steps up, but would agree that somebody else should do it |
| 19:05 | thd | slef: what are gmcharlt's LibLime / PTFS links anymore? |
| 19:05 | slef | OK. Any volunteers to chair? |
| 19:05 | thd: ex-worker. Purely history, but even so. | |
| 19:06 | thd | slef: I nominate you |
| 19:06 | slef | thd: swine ;-) Anyone else? (please?) |
| 19:06 | gmcharlt | thd: none currently, but I did sign an NDA with LL and not personally likely to inspire much cooperation from kados on this matter |
| 19:06 | Vickiteal | Galen is RM |
| 19:07 | I think he is trustworthy. | |
| 19:07 | gmcharlt | Vickiteal: right, but I'm purposely trying to keep my RM role separate from the foundation-forming issue |
| 19:07 | but thanks | |
| 19:07 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 19:07 | * chris_n | seconds slef |
| 19:07 | thd | I would volunteer but I am in great pain and will go see a doctor some time after the meeting |
| 19:07 | slef | okay so - I call this meeting to order |
| 19:07 | and we should all start with introductions | |
| 19:07 | MJ Ray, member of software.coop | |
| 19:07 | chris_n | Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
| 19:07 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM, Equinox |
| 19:08 | * cait | = Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 19:08 | * wizzyrea | = Liz Rea, NEKLS |
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| 19:08 | owen | Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
| 19:08 | tajoli | Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy |
| 19:08 | * nengard | Nicole C. Engard - Doc Manager & ByWater Solutions |
| 19:08 | davi | Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop |
| 19:08 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 19:08 | Nate | Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions |
| 19:08 | jwagner | Jane Wagner, PTFS |
| 19:08 | Jo | Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ |
| 19:08 | rosa | Rosalie Blake formerly HLT |
| 19:08 | schuster | schuster = David Schuster Plano ISD/KUDOS |
| 19:08 | brendan | Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:08 | Jo | apologies from George Sue (travelling) |
| 19:08 | sekjal-away | Ian Walls, NYU Health Sciences Libraries |
| 19:08 | magnus | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 19:08 | Vickiteal | Vicki Teal Lovely, South Central Library System, Madison, WI, US |
| 19:08 | Colin | Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe |
| 19:08 | Sharon | Sharon Moreland, NEKLS |
| 19:09 | sekjal-away is now known as sekjal | |
| 19:09 | imp | Martin Janitschke, CCC Hannover |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | apologies from Lee Philips, Butte Montana (another meeting) |
| 19:09 | indradg | Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, Kolkata, India |
| 19:09 | slef | OK - any further attendees, please announce yourself when you wish. |
| 19:10 | Report on DRAFT Horowhenua Library Trust KOHA Committee RULES. Who wants to report on this? Jo? | |
| 19:10 | Jo | sure. |
| 19:10 | slef | please go ahead |
| 19:10 | Jo | The trustees meeting for Januray was postponed - well cancelled really - and I will be submitting the draft rules to the next Trust meeting being held on 25th Feb. |
| 19:11 | so any last minute suggestions before I take the draft should be done this week. | |
| 19:11 | * Ropuch | Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland |
| 19:11 | Jo | I do want to clarify that the only task the community requests of HLT is to use best endeavours to secure the domain name and trademarks. |
| 19:12 | slef | OK, I point out that there are a number of FIXMEs still in those draft rules. |
| 19:13 | Any other comments, or any questions? | |
| 19:13 | owen | Should we be discussing those FIXMEs now? |
| 19:14 | thd | I hope that Bob would give attention to the FIXMEs |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ation:hlt:rules&s[]=committee&s[]=rules |
| 19:14 | slef | Any opinion? I'm minded to suggest that they should be taken up on the wiki. |
| 19:15 | chris_n | I agree with slef; most of them are pretty straight forward |
| 19:15 | slef | If the FIXMEs remain when they are submitted to the Trust, I think it's up to Bob or HLT |
| 19:15 | Jo | +1 |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt | slef: wiki commentary is fine, but I think that a discussion on the Koha mailing list will ensure that everybody who is interested is aware of it |
| 19:16 | Jo | the Trust may want to suggest tweaks as well |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | or at least a reminder sent to the lists to look at it |
| 19:16 | slef | If it degenerates into wiki war, then we'll deal with that. |
| 19:16 | davi | Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association |
| 19:16 | ? | |
| 19:16 | chris_n | I also agree with gmcharlt that a reminder to the list is in order |
| 19:16 | slef | Yes, shall we take the FIXME topics to the mailing list in a reminder? |
| 19:16 | Jo | Dai: That is my understanding |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | +! |
| 19:16 | +1 even | |
| 19:16 | slef | Who will post it? |
| 19:17 | * imp | likes slef idea :) |
| 19:17 | davi | +as a reminder to mailing list |
| 19:17 | chris_n | slef: maybe not so much the fixmes, but a reminder to look |
| 19:17 | Jo | I will |
| 19:17 | slef | Thank you. |
| 19:17 | davi | Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association? |
| 19:17 | slef | OK, any further comments or questions? Particularly from anyone who hasn't opined yet. |
| 19:17 | davi: "<Jo> Dai: That is my understanding" | |
| 19:18 | davi | ack |
| 19:18 | slef | I think that was an ytpo. |
| 19:18 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 19:18 | Jo | yep- my fingers are dyslexic :) |
| 19:18 | thd | davi: That is actually covered in some language in the draft |
| 19:18 | slef | ok, moving on |
| 19:18 | 3. Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains. | |
| 19:18 | * hdl_laptop | Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre SARL |
| 19:18 | slef | Is this Jo again? |
| 19:18 | Jo | yep :) |
| 19:19 | slef | sorry - please fill us in |
| 19:19 | chris | back |
| 19:19 | Jo | Biblibre and HLT have signed and submitted the documentation for tranferfring the EU trademark over to HLT. |
| 19:19 | * wizzyrea | cheers |
| 19:19 | slef | note: trademark application |
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| 19:19 | brendan | biblibre++ |
| 19:20 | Jo | unasked and at no cost :) |
| 19:20 | chris_n | Biblibre++ |
| 19:20 | slef | I have a conflict of interest, but that is only a point of information. |
| 19:20 | Jo | actually they carfrying all the costs |
| 19:20 | thd | biblibre++ |
| 19:20 | sekjal | biblibre++, indeed |
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| 19:20 | chris_n | slef: surely you support this move |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | biblibre++ |
| 19:20 | davi | biblibre++ |
| 19:20 | slef | chris_n: it depends. Let us discuss that another time. |
| 19:20 | chris_n | right |
| 19:20 | magnus | biblibre++ |
| 19:21 | nengard | biblibre++ |
| 19:21 | slef | nengard: you cannot modify your own karma! |
| 19:21 | Jo | HLT has also written to John Yokley twice reminding him about the community wishes for the koha domain and trademark and that we look forwarding to working with him |
| 19:21 | nengard | ?? |
| 19:21 | Jo | Maybe someone from PTFS might like to comment? |
| 19:21 | slef | nengard: ;-) |
| 19:21 | thd | chris_n: slef should speak for himself but his conflict is not really opposed as far as I know. |
| 19:21 | cait | biblibre++ |
| 19:21 | jwagner | To forestall this and other questions, I'll repeat what I said the day the sale was announced. |
| 19:21 | chris | Jo: i dont think that is fair to anyone from PTFS present, they dont have any authority to speak |
| 19:22 | Jo | sure... it was a suggestion |
| 19:22 | chris | all doing so woudl do, would be to get themselves in trouble |
| 19:22 | Jo | fair enough. |
| 19:22 | jwagner | (1) No decisions can be made until the sale is final (which it isn't yet). (2) These decisions will be made above our pay grade. (3) We are not authorized to speak for the company, and are still under an NDA. |
| 19:22 | Jo | John basically said said wait and see |
| 19:22 | schuster | The sale is not final yet between LibLime and PTFS - probably another 2 weeks. |
| 19:22 | owen | Thanks jwagner |
| 19:23 | Jo | Cheers Jane. |
| 19:23 | hdl_laptop | thanks jwagner |
| 19:23 | slef | I bow to others' knowledge of PTFS structure, but I'm always saddened by non-autonomous workers. |
| 19:23 | schuster | boy she had that statement typed up and ready to go! |
| 19:23 | thd | I attended the PTFS press conference at ALA Midwinter |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | jwagner++ for clearing that up :) |
| 19:23 | slef | Do we expect that anything will happen before the sale completes? |
| 19:23 | Jo | so the upshot is that we need to wait for the Americans to ghet their act together :) |
| 19:23 | chris | i certainly don't |
| 19:24 | gmcharlt | agreed |
| 19:24 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:24 | indradg | ok |
| 19:24 | thd | I could report from the public statements at the press conference that PTFS has not decided many questions |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | NEKLS has not had any particular inkling of what they plan to do with the domain names/trademarks |
| 19:24 | * chris_n | imagines its hard to make decisions before a sale is final at any rate |
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| 19:24 | Jo | and that is certainly the message I have been given: no decisions made |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | I know that we have expressed to the leadership our desire that the assets be returned to the community |
| 19:25 | slef | Is there any more to report on the status of negotiations or shall we move on? |
| 19:25 | Jo | +1 |
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| 19:25 | Jo | I think that it is vcritical for LL / PTFS to express their opinions to PTFS |
| 19:25 | I have nothing more | |
| 19:26 | slef | 4. Possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations. |
| 19:26 | I guess we're now opening it to the floor. What do we do? Keep waiting how long after the sale completes, do you think? | |
| 19:26 | thd | Jo did you mean customers? |
| 19:26 | Jo | yep |
| 19:26 | * chris_n | moves that we wait for the transaction to complete/fail |
| 19:26 | Jo | sorry - ll / ptfs clients |
| 19:27 | slef | exyliadics of het wordl, untie! |
| 19:27 | owen | NPL has voted with our feet :) |
| 19:27 | Jo | The lack of access to the domain name is a real bummer |
| 19:27 | NPL ++++ | |
| 19:27 | chris_n | owen++ |
| 19:27 | NPL++ | |
| 19:27 | magnus | owen++ |
| 19:27 | slef | chris_n++ |
| 19:27 | cait | NPL++ |
| 19:27 | indradg | N |
| 19:27 | NPL++ | |
| 19:27 | nengard | NPL++ |
| 19:27 | owen | We were lucky to be in a position to do so. I know others might if their situation was different. |
| 19:28 | hdl_laptop | NPL++ |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | NPL++ |
| 19:28 | chris | lee from montana voted with her feet also |
| 19:28 | nengard | chris - she did?? |
| 19:28 | slef | No-one has anything to add about unresolved negotiations? |
| 19:28 | Jo | I think HLT should contact PTFS again in a month - no point any sooner, |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | well, she's voting with her payout |
| 19:28 | chris | yeah |
| 19:28 | nengard | that i knew |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | i.e. she hasn't paid for the next 10 months of support |
| 19:29 | chris | shes going it alone rather than stick with the crud |
| 19:29 | slef | OK, so "Next issues if negotiations have concluded." - they haven't. |
| 19:29 | Jo | I suspect its going to be a long drawn out affair |
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| 19:29 | slef | So let's wrap up so you can all gossip about who is hosting who in a mo: |
| 19:29 | 6. Agree time of next meeting. | |
| 19:29 | Jo | 1 moment |
| 19:30 | slef | ok, go on |
| 19:30 | Jo | what can we do / should we do in the interim. |
| 19:30 | this could easily go on for 3 months | |
| 19:30 | regarding access to thedomain | |
| 19:30 | listing for paid support etc | |
| 19:30 | slef | and koha.org remains pickled until then |
| 19:30 | chris | yeah and the website sitll points to 3.0.4 .. and we cant list zeno etc |
| 19:30 | Jo | that seems to be a poblem for the community, or am i overstating this? |
| 19:30 | nengard | It's a big problem |
| 19:30 | owen | Definitely a problem. |
| 19:30 | nengard | I have the manual to publish |
| 19:30 | gmcharlt | Jo: it's an ongoing problem, yes |
| 19:30 | slef | some of it we can update (wiki), some of it we have limited updates (bugs) and others are stuck |
| 19:30 | hdl_laptop | it surely is |
| 19:30 | nengard | and the newsletter |
| 19:31 | Jo | so do we have options to consider? |
| 19:31 | thd | from the press conference: PTFS will not change LLEK while evaluating it for 3 months. Does not say anything about trademarks and domains but calls for patience. |
| 19:31 | chris | i dont care 2 cents about LLEK |
| 19:31 | nengard | i would say we could register a new domain or use someone elses' for a while - but that's silly because all links go to koha.org |
| 19:31 | chris | if ppl wanna let themselves be locked in, so be it |
| 19:31 | slef | Difficult, not silly. |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | I think there needs to be at least a secondary hosting spot. The further out of date koha.org gets the more likely people are to look for more up to date info |
| 19:31 | Jo | we can get the word out between us |
| 19:31 | chris | all i want is the website back in community control |
| 19:31 | so its not full of lies | |
| 19:32 | nengard | slef - silly if we do eventaully get koha.org back |
| 19:32 | Jo | agreed |
| 19:32 | slef | chris: I think thd is taking that as a signal that PTFS won't change things. |
| 19:32 | schuster | Jo - when you make your next contact you may want to point out those specifics to John Y and Patrick J - so they are aware how heavily the community used to rely on LibLime - they may not be aware that they are holding us up. |
| 19:32 | slef | nengard: not really. We just Redirect permanent one site to the other. |
| 19:32 | thd | no slef |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | I would say that PTFS is asking LL clients lots of questions |
| 19:32 | slef | chris: well, not in the immediate. |
| 19:32 | nengard | so then chris don't you have a koha domain - can we start using that? |
| 19:32 | and then set up redirects if things change? | |
| 19:32 | chris | i dont |
| 19:32 | thd | I am stating that we should give PTFS a chanc to consider their position |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | thd++ |
| 19:33 | Jo | I would suggest that we can't wait another 3 months |
| 19:33 | slef | nengard: then we keep all the search engine juice. |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | they do have an awful lot to consider. |
| 19:33 | chris | they could at least let someone edit the website while they consider |
| 19:33 | thd | At this point, the deal is not yet even closed. |
| 19:33 | chris | i hardly think that is asking much |
| 19:33 | for crying out loud | |
| 19:33 | magnus | but LL aren't going to give up anything now, are they? and PTFS isn't really in a position to hand anything over as long as the deal is not finalized, i would think? |
| 19:33 | Jo | so is that an option: we ask PTFS for editing rights to the wiki |
| 19:33 | Ropuch | chris++ |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | when it is legally theirs then we can ask |
| 19:33 | nengard | chris++ |
| 19:33 | slef | Jo: we have the wiki. We don't have www. |
| 19:33 | Jo | ok. |
| 19:33 | sekjal | just did a quick Google search on 'koha'. Second relevant hit is Wikipedia |
| 19:33 | Vickiteal | PTFS does not own LL yet. They cannot give you access to the web site. |
| 19:33 | slef | well, most of the wiki |
| 19:34 | sekjal | could we make it a point to update Wikipedia to the most correct info? |
| 19:34 | hdl_laptop | Jo++ |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea | 2nd vickiteal |
| 19:34 | imp | how about a (second) domain, which can be used later for user based stuff (manual, ...) and maybe use it for everything / as second domain for specific stuff if we get the othre one back? |
| 19:34 | Jo | well lets ask LL and PTFS jointly |
| 19:34 | tajoli | As CILEA we have www.koha.it |
| 19:34 | chris | Vickiteal: they surely have some influence, im sure they could say, joshua stop being a dick |
| 19:34 | i mean cmon | |
| 19:34 | chris_n | Jo++ |
| 19:34 | imp | .oO(whois koha-community.org -> not found) |
| 19:34 | Jo | my thoughts exactly |
| 19:34 | chris | this is freaking retarded |
| 19:34 | slef | Vickiteal: you may know US law more than most of us. If both PTFS and LL agree, can't we get access? |
| 19:34 | imp: too long, contains a - | |
| 19:34 | Jo | it would forestall a rename / rebrand / relaunch |
| 19:34 | gmcharlt | slef: it would boil down to LL alone agreeing, until they are bought |
| 19:35 | nengard | slef it's not a law thing - it's a who owns the server thing |
| 19:35 | Vickiteal | This conversation is rapidly degrading. |
| 19:35 | chris | ppl are installing old versions of software because thats what the website points to |
| 19:35 | Jo | I'd say they would probably accept it as an interim soluition |
| 19:35 | chris | my patience with this situation is rapidly wearing thin |
| 19:35 | thd | slef: you can get access if access is granted or control is transferred |
| 19:35 | nengard | Vickiteal - i think that we're asking for something necessary - not degrading the conversation |
| 19:35 | we're problem solving | |
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| 19:35 | chris | seriously, the US is causing a big mess for the rest of the world, and its getting old |
| 19:35 | nengard | trying ot come up with a way to fix things |
| 19:35 | Jo | yep. |
| 19:35 | Vickiteal | All I'm saying is PTFS has no control over the web site and they have other things they are worrying about now. |
| 19:36 | nengard | chris - HEY! Don't blame the whole country!! |
| 19:36 | Jo | yep. and the koha community is bigger than PTFS |
| 19:36 | nengard | Okay - so I think we need to set up a home for an up to date koha site |
| 19:36 | slef | So we've asked LL for access before and not got it. |
| 19:36 | chris_n | PTFS *could* exercise a deal of force on LL to give us access, however |
| 19:36 | Jo | and we need a way to function effectively |
| 19:36 | slef | Who has what nice koha domain? |
| 19:36 | Jo | what do we lose by asking ? |
| 19:36 | thd | We should at least wait until PTFS has effective control when the deal is completed |
| 19:36 | slef | PTFS has koha-ils.org still |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | more disappointment |
| 19:36 | nengard | Jo nothing - i think we should ask - but we need an alternative option as well |
| 19:36 | Jo | wizzyrea: we can handle that |
| 19:37 | absolutely agree | |
| 19:37 | thd | The announcement had been that the deal would be completed by the beginning of February |
| 19:37 | hdl_laptop | koha-fr.org is for kohala |
| 19:37 | slef | Anyone here got a nice koha domain already, or shall we go searching/buying? |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | we just got word that it will be an extra 2 weeks |
| 19:37 | last friday | |
| 19:37 | chris | thomas brevik has openkoha |
| 19:37 | slef | koha-fr.org is good but probably should remain in French? |
| 19:37 | Jo | i like openkoha |
| 19:37 | magnus | openkoha.org is on friendly hands |
| 19:37 | imp | chris: sounds fine |
| 19:37 | thd | I expect that we would not have long to wait for the deal to be completed |
| 19:37 | slef | I hate openkoha. |
| 19:37 | cait | i have koha-support.de - not used |
| 19:38 | chris | yeah im not super partial to it either |
| 19:38 | Jo | its an interim name |
| 19:38 | nengard | freekoha is avail |
| 19:38 | slef | koha.something or kohaSomething.gtld would be better |
| 19:38 | nengard | no one owns it |
| 19:38 | gmcharlt | we could keep it limited for now, perhaps do koha-download.org to substitute for download.koha.org |
| 19:38 | Jo | i like freekoha too |
| 19:38 | (it sounds like a call to arms thouggh ... a Braveheart thing) | |
| 19:38 | chris_n | koha.net? |
| 19:38 | * wizzyrea | roars with bestial vigor |
| 19:38 | indradg | Jo++ |
| 19:38 | slef | chris_n: is that available? |
| 19:38 | chris | heh |
| 19:39 | slef | blimey... I must have typod it earlier |
| 19:39 | owen | koha-community.com seems to be available |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea | ooh, I like that |
| 19:39 | owen | |
| 19:39 | slef | owen: kohaworld.com too |
| 19:39 | imp | owen: why .com and not .org? |
| 19:39 | tajoli | koha.net is used |
| 19:39 | nengard | chris_n koha.net is not avail |
| 19:39 | kohails.net is | |
| 19:39 | owen | koha-community.org too imp |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea | ooh, nengard also with a good one |
| 19:40 | i do like koha-community.org | |
| 19:40 | chris | yeah .org would be my preference |
| 19:40 | nengard | me too |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | there a lot of potential domains containing the word koha that we could - I suggest we go back to the bigger question |
| 19:40 | Jo | +1 |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | koha-community.org++ |
| 19:40 | slef | gmcharlt: which is? |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | do we set up a whole alternative website now? |
| 19:40 | Sharon | koha-community.org+ |
| 19:40 | imp | owen: i know it's free ;) |
| 19:40 | thd | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | just pieces of it (e.g., download) |
| 19:40 | nengard | gmcharlt i htink that's what we have to do - an entire site - there is way too much out of date and unreliable info |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | or wait until we know the final disposition of the LL/PTFS sale |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | I think you probably want the download, and the pay for support |
| 19:40 | nengard | in my opinion |
| 19:40 | Sharon | I think be hopeful and work on the assumption that koha.org will come back to us eventually |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | the things we can't fiddle with |
| 19:41 | slef | I think we should keep it simple for now: download, links, manual. What do others think? |
| 19:41 | magnus | slef++ |
| 19:41 | indradg | slef: ++ |
| 19:41 | nengard | okay - tell me if i'm going off track - but if we don't do the whole site how the heck do we let people who know nohtng about koha koha that there is a diff site for downloads and support? |
| 19:41 | Ropuch | slef++ |
| 19:41 | cait | will we keep the koha.org website when we get the domain or will we need a new site anyway? |
| 19:41 | thd | slef: I understand that we could easily reproduce the old pre-plone website |
| 19:42 | schuster | slef++ |
| 19:42 | collum | slef++ |
| 19:42 | chris_n | slef++ |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | nengard: I think a homepage to explain what's going on would suffice |
| 19:42 | slef | nengard: we market it. koha.org is not actively marketed at the moment, as far as I understand it. |
| 19:42 | hdl_laptop | cait++ |
| 19:42 | sekjal | I'm inclined to be patient while PTFS figures things out. We of course request whatever action is possible, but moving to rebrand is a lot of work to undertake if we're just going to get koha.org back again later. |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | we can rely on marketing to educate Google |
| 19:42 | slef | nengard: for example, we all link it from our library mailing list sigs, which will appear on lists.koha.org |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | not to mention that a homepage that explains what's going on and what has happened could be an effective leverage tool :P |
| 19:42 | slef | we put link it from the listinfo pages |
| 19:42 | chris_n | sekjal: this would not be rebranding atm |
| 19:42 | slef | and so on |
| 19:42 | Jo | we don't have to rebrand as such, buyt we will need a whole new website regardless |
| 19:42 | nengard | okay |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt | I favor slef's suggestion of a limited-purpose website for now |
| 19:43 | Jo | so why not get the new site up and ruinning on whatever new domian we settle on |
| 19:43 | chris | ditto |
| 19:43 | limited purpose for now | |
| 19:43 | chris_n | we install a redirect when/if we get the main domain back |
| 19:43 | Jo | then shift it over to the koha.org if / when we get the domain back |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | limited-purpose_website++ |
| 19:43 | davi | koha-lib.org |
| 19:43 | sekjal | alright, sounds good |
| 19:43 | slef | Thinking back, one problem with koha-community.org is will people look there for downloads and vendors, or only for support/chat? |
| 19:43 | cait | Jo++ |
| 19:43 | davi | koha-community.org also good |
| 19:44 | thd | I worry that actually making a new website live might be interpreted as a message of aggression by PTFS when they have not had an opportunity to respond from a position of control |
| 19:44 | slef | kohaHQ.org? |
| 19:44 | chris | slef: i just want a place that has accurate information about the latest version |
| 19:44 | Jo | i think we need to show that the koha community is a 'together' thing who knows what its doing. |
| 19:44 | davi | kohaLib.org |
| 19:44 | imp | davi: koha-lib.org belongs to ptfs |
| 19:44 | davi | :P |
| 19:44 | chris_n | thd: he who hesitates is lost.... |
| 19:44 | Sharon | I agree with Jo |
| 19:44 | Jo | having info spread over a number of sites isn't especially organised or 'together' |
| 19:44 | davi | imp: When they got it? ! |
| 19:44 | I proposed it some week ago? | |
| 19:44 | here | |
| 19:44 | Jo | we don't ned to be held to ransom here by PTFS. |
| 19:45 | imp | davi: Created On:31-Mar-2009 03:07:26 UTC |
| 19:45 | davi | ah |
| 19:45 | thd | chris_n: I would not hesitate except for the prospect of a change of control |
| 19:45 | Jo | lets get on with a new site, host oit on a new domian and shift it back when'if we can |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | davi: there was a big kerfuffle about it |
| 19:45 | slef | thd: I think as long as we're clear that we're putting a minimal site live because there is stale info on a site we have no access too, they shouldn't see it as agression. |
| 19:45 | Vickiteal | PTFS is not holding you ransom. It is LL. |
| 19:45 | slef | thd: if they do, then that would speak volumes. |
| 19:45 | Jo | thank you Vicki |
| 19:45 | imp | jo++ |
| 19:45 | chris_n | thd: a clear explanation on the main page should do to defuse concern |
| 19:46 | chris | if PTFS said, as soon as the deal is concluded, you can edit the website again |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | I know of at least 4 customers of LL that have told PTFS that they want the assets transferred back to the community |
| 19:46 | chris | problem solved |
| 19:46 | thd | slef: thank you, I like that answer |
| 19:46 | Jo | and that it is ideally a temporary measure until we get koha.org back |
| 19:46 | chris | as long as they are silent, they are in effect dangling a sword over us |
| 19:46 | imp | i would try to avoid using domainnames just differing by a "-" in the middle |
| 19:46 | thd | chris_n++ |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | I move that however the substitue domain is acquired, that it be held or transferred to HLT |
| 19:46 | davi | Is KohaLib.org taken? |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | +! |
| 19:46 | thd | chris: I agree |
| 19:46 | Sharon | as long as we're transparent with the intent of the new site, I see no problem |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 19:46 | slef | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:47 | chris_n | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:47 | tajoli | +1 |
| 19:47 | owen | +1 |
| 19:47 | slef | davi: yes, PTFS. Use whois to check them. |
| 19:47 | imp | +1 |
| 19:47 | thd | gmcharlt: that is essential |
| 19:47 | davi | :P |
| 19:47 | chris_n | would HLT handle the setup of the new site? |
| 19:47 | gmcharlt | Jo: will HLT accept it - particular given that this is something that I think that we'll want to set up quickly? |
| 19:47 | Jo | can someone please clarify exactly what is it we are all in agreement to :) |
| 19:47 | chris | so if we could get PTFS to say "After the deal is concluded we will restore access rights to the community to the www.koha.org website" |
| 19:47 | then none of this has to happen | |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | chris: i'm not sure that it has been decided by them :( |
| 19:48 | Jo | gmcharlt: yes. HLT will absolutely accept it. Committed to supporting the kopha community |
| 19:48 | slef | Jo: "the substitue domain be held by or transferred to HLT" |
| 19:48 | chris | but i dont think that without a promise, we can delay even longer |
| 19:48 | owen | If I were PTFS I'd rather transfer ownership of the domain than deal with the practicalities of granting outsiders access. |
| 19:48 | davi | What about get lib-koha.org and or libKoha.org ? |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | chris: then we are doing the right thing getting a new domain |
| 19:48 | davi | They are free |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | and when we know for sure, we can work out the logistics of it then |
| 19:48 | thd | As Vickiteal stated, PTFS is concentrating attention on other issues |
| 19:49 | slef | So, this is my understanding: a limited website with a clear explanation of why it exists, on a domain with HLT as the registrant and admin contact? |
| 19:49 | Sharon | +1 |
| 19:49 | Jo | my preference is a near full subsitute website |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | chris: is there a suitable maori expression for "Koha For All" or the like that might make a suitable domain? |
| 19:49 | owen | Is HLT in a position right now to register a domain? |
| 19:49 | Jo | yes. |
| 19:49 | davi | I like libKoha,org It is free yet |
| 19:49 | Jo | have my creditcard in hand :) |
| 19:49 | cait | Jo++ |
| 19:49 | slef | owen: we can register it for them if not. These are details. |
| 19:49 | richard left #koha | |
| 19:50 | Jo | can we vote on whether a partial or full website please |
| 19:50 | slef | kohaLMS.org is also free, but maybe that is UKish |
| 19:50 | ok, votes! partial or full? | |
| 19:50 | Jo | and also settle on a domian name |
| 19:50 | slef | partial IMO |
| 19:50 | davi | full |
| 19:50 | nengard | i'm had US libraries call it a LMS |
| 19:50 | Jo | full |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | LMS works for USians too, although it's not as common |
| 19:50 | nengard | full |
| 19:50 | Sharon | I think partial leaves the door open to getting koha.org back |
| 19:50 | sekjal | partial |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | partial |
| 19:51 | owen | partial |
| 19:51 | chris_n | partial |
| 19:51 | imp | partial |
| 19:51 | hdl_laptop | partial |
| 19:51 | collum | partial |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | partial |
| 19:51 | schuster | partial |
| 19:51 | magnus | partial |
| 19:51 | brendan | partial - downloads and community information |
| 19:51 | Jo | lol |
| 19:51 | ok - i'll lie down now an dbe quiet | |
| 19:51 | slef | The partials have it? |
| 19:51 | thd | partial for now |
| 19:51 | cait | full |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | no no we like it when you talk Jo |
| 19:51 | ;) | |
| 19:51 | davi | libKoha.org would add confusion to lib-koha for PTFS, and so would be good for us |
| 19:51 | slef | davi: Machiavelli. |
| 19:51 | rosa | full |
| 19:51 | davi | :) |
| 19:51 | Jo | davi: i likke it |
| 19:52 | slef | another silly idea: kohaC4.org |
| 19:52 | chris | heh |
| 19:52 | Sharon | communitykoha.org |
| 19:52 | chris_n | lol |
| 19:52 | thd | whatever domain we choose we could have other good choices point at the one being used |
| 19:52 | hdl_laptop | davi: it is a tough idea |
| 19:52 | slef | anyway, I'm sure that one sucks... do we have a clear domain leader yet? |
| 19:52 | davi | Jo; Do you want I buy libKoha.org now? Else who would buy it? |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | communitykoha.org is available |
| 19:52 | davi | hdl_laptop, Do you want I buy libKoha.org now? Else who would buy it? |
| 19:53 | Jo | lets settle on the name now. |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | actually, I would prefer that it not be communitykoha.org - there is one one Koha |
| 19:53 | owen | I prefer koha-community.org because I think "community koha" is a derogatory term invented by LibLime |
| 19:53 | Jo | then i;ll buy to save transferring it |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | *only one Koha |
| 19:53 | richard joined #koha | |
| 19:53 | magnus | i think koha-community.org or some varient thereof would emphasise nicely the fact that this is the community taking control |
| 19:53 | Jo | can someone please list the serious contenders for a domain name |
| 19:53 | slef | yes, please don't all go buying domain names for HLT |
| 19:53 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | Jo: koha-community.org is one |
| 19:53 | * owen | puts away his wallet |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | kohalms.org |
| 19:53 | thd | wizzyrea: think about length and the difficulty of typing accurately also |
| 19:54 | davi | magnus, We can add a subtible at libkoha.org with "Community" word |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | well you can't beat koha.org for that |
| 19:54 | gmcharlt | libkoha.org |
| 19:54 | Sharon | onetruekoha.org |
| 19:54 | rosa | koha-community.org because it starts with koha (important) and is straightforward |
| 19:54 | slef | koha-community.org, libkoha.org, kohalms.org and what else? We're keen on being in .org I think. |
| 19:54 | magnus | one koha to rule them all! |
| 19:54 | davi | libKoha.org |
| 19:54 | Jo | (sit down Magnus) |
| 19:54 | imp | magnus: :D |
| 19:54 | thd | wizzyrea: :) |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | thd :D |
| 19:54 | slef | davi: already wrote that... |
| 19:54 | 3 options... any other good ones? | |
| 19:54 | schuster | The teacher in Jo comes out I see... |
| 19:55 | tirabo | kohasite.org is available |
| 19:55 | cait | magnus: lol |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | I move that we vote between koha-community.org, libkoha.org, and kohalms.org |
| 19:55 | chris_n | seconded |
| 19:55 | Ropuch | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:55 | Jo | +1 |
| 19:55 | davi | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 19:55 | imp | +1 |
| 19:55 | Sharon | kohalms sounds like 'alms for the poor' |
| 19:55 | nengard | kohalms.org |
| 19:55 | cait | +1 |
| 19:55 | hdl_laptop | kohaworld.org |
| 19:55 | Jo | I hate kohalms |
| 19:55 | thd | I think that we should consider one issue first |
| 19:55 | slef | ok, votes! koha-community.org, libkoha.org or kohalms.org |
| 19:55 | cait | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | gmcharlt | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | * owen | votes koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | chris_n | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | imp | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | Jo | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | slef | libkoha.org |
| 19:56 | chris | +1 |
| 19:56 | Sharon | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | hdl_laptop | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | rosa | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | collum | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | chris | to koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | Ropuch | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | schuster | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | brendan | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | sekjal | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | thd: you had an issue? |
| 19:56 | magnus | koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | davi | koha-community.org looks better |
| 19:56 | slef | ok, I'm a minority of 1. |
| 19:56 | go for it | |
| 19:56 | thd | Remember that a .org domain could always be at risk of being captured by the US trademark holder |
| 19:57 | Jo | http://www.domainz.net.nz/purc[…]oha-community.org |
| 19:57 | koha-community.org is not available | |
| 19:57 | slef | heh |
| 19:57 | thd | I do not think that is a present concern but we should not forget about that risk long term |
| 19:57 | davi | Who have it? |
| 19:57 | slef | ; whois koha-community.org |
| 19:57 | NOT FOUND | |
| 19:57 | ||
| 19:57 | imp | slef: right, same here |
| 19:57 | Jo | i can grab .net |
| 19:57 | chris_n | http://www.whois.net/whois/koha-community.org |
| 19:57 | owen | It says available to me |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | ok, if somebody just bought it for the benefit of HLT, please speak up NOW |
| 19:57 | chris_n | says it is |
| 19:58 | thd | davi: LibLime hold the US trademark at the moment |
| 19:58 | Jo | Owen: can you buy it please |
| 19:58 | for us | |
| 19:58 | davi | thd, noted, but it would not clash with libKoha.org |
| 19:58 | schuster | I'm actually shocked that the IRC and discussion lists are still running with Katipo personally... |
| 19:58 | chris_n | owen: doing it? |
| 19:59 | owen | Yes |
| 19:59 | chris | schuster: why? |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | owen++ |
| 19:59 | Jo | trust until people prove to be untrustworthy |
| 19:59 | chris | jo: freeparking.co.nz has it available |
| 19:59 | they are better than domainz too | |
| 19:59 | so you can grab it there | |
| 19:59 | * owen | stops clicking |
| 19:59 | thd | davi: *koha*.org would always be at risk as long as the community does not hold the trademark . |
| 19:59 | slef | owen: got it? |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | Ack |
| 20:00 | owen | Jo, are you looking now at freeparking.co.nz? |
| 20:00 | Jo | ok - I have it |
| 20:00 | chris_n | have what? |
| 20:00 | schuster | chris - that's owned by LL too technically isn't it? |
| 20:00 | davi | thd, ah, I see |
| 20:00 | slef | thd: as long as we do not sell off the back of it, it is honest use |
| 20:00 | chris | schuster: what???? |
| 20:00 | hell no | |
| 20:00 | slef | thd: sorry, descriptive use. |
| 20:01 | chris | schuster: pretty much dont believe anything you read on the LL website |
| 20:01 | * richard | tunes in |
| 20:01 | chris | ll never bought katipo |
| 20:01 | slef | thd: are there particular rules for .org which put it at risk? |
| 20:01 | thd | slef: yes but not as safe as *koha*.fr |
| 20:01 | richard | schuster, liblime have never bought or have any financial interest in katipo |
| 20:02 | slef | ok, so we have a domain - who wants to organise the development? |
| 20:02 | davi | thd, As I understand tradermarsk, prefix *koha is allowed, but not koha* postfix |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | and who wants to hoste it |
| 20:02 | davi | so libKoha would be ok |
| 20:02 | nengard | i have room on my server for another site |
| 20:02 | * chris_n | nominates owen |
| 20:03 | brendan | we can host it too |
| 20:03 | davi | For example, we have to ask to user GNU Herds, but not to use Herds of GNUs |
| 20:03 | Jo | all done. |
| 20:03 | thd | can we not just easily use or adapt the old pre-Plone website? |
| 20:03 | slef | we have one offer of hosting |
| 20:03 | chris_n | Jo++ |
| 20:03 | Jo | koha-community.org |
| 20:03 | owen | Jo++ |
| 20:03 | chris | the old site still exists in kea |
| 20:03 | magnus | Jo++ |
| 20:03 | slef | thd: personally, it would be nice not to have to use Kea, but it is up to those doing the work IMO. |
| 20:03 | hdl_laptop | Jo++ |
| 20:03 | nengard | my problem is that the old site is a static html site |
| 20:03 | why not throw wordpress on a server and put up the pages necessary then we can easily give everyone rights to edit things | |
| 20:03 | thd | slef: I was merely referring to expedience |
| 20:03 | slef | (is Kea FOSS?) |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | NEKLS could host it |
| 20:04 | chris | no |
| 20:04 | chris_n | brendan++ |
| 20:04 | davi | Jo, thd, I think koha-community.org would clash with trademark, not not libKoha,org What do you think thd? |
| 20:04 | chris | i wasnt suggesting we use kea, we can just trigger it somewhere and have a full site in 15 mins |
| 20:04 | Jo | should hlt host it |
| 20:04 | nengard | hlt makes sense to me |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | if you have the server space and can, HLT would be best imo |
| 20:04 | Jo | impartial / non-inflammatory etc |
| 20:04 | chris_n | Jo: makes sense |
| 20:04 | gmcharlt | agreed |
| 20:04 | slef | ok, so we have two suggestions so far... I'll throw in my own suggestion of hosting with software.coop and/or using django-blocks. |
| 20:04 | Jo | Chris: is there a cost we will have to carry? |
| 20:05 | thd | davi: koha anything or anything koha could be an issue but I do not think that it is a real problem at the present time |
| 20:05 | gmcharlt | main thing that anybody offering to host shoudl keep in mind that with release of 3.2 alpha and 3.0.6, there will be a fair amount of bulk download traffic |
| 20:05 | Jo | I'm open to software.coop |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | bandwidth is always a cost |
| 20:05 | slef | five offers of hosting, three offers of platforms |
| 20:05 | davi | ack thd. I thought only postfix would be a problem, not prefix |
| 20:05 | gmcharlt | so in particular, if anybody is willing to participate by running mirrors of the downlaods, that might be great |
| 20:05 | imp | erm, afaik, it's ok to use a trademark, as long as you are using it /right/. so you can use cola-critic, if write critical stuff on it, but not just for "fun" |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | We are in EC2 with our server |
| 20:05 | Jo | we happy to but can't carry a financial burden |
| 20:05 | khall | why not use sourceforge for hosting downloads? |
| 20:05 | cait | cant we make something like differnt mirrors for download? |
| 20:05 | chris_n | gmcharlt took my words :-) |
| 20:06 | thd | davi: The bad publicity of trying to stop the community would be a strong caution against any unfortunate action |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | (also, mirrors in east asia, europe, and north america would be desirable anyway) |
| 20:06 | Jo | mirrors +1 |
| 20:06 | slef | can we organise a bittorrent to make downloads lighter on the hoster? |
| 20:06 | * wizzyrea | volunteers to mirror |
| 20:06 | hdl_laptop | we could host mirrors here at biblibre |
| 20:06 | * braedon | chimes in that he has some bandwidth going to waste if it is needed |
| 20:06 | davi | ack thd |
| 20:06 | chris_n | why don't we appoint someone to head this up? |
| 20:06 | davi | bittorrent++ |
| 20:06 | slef | yes, who wants to organise... I saw someone try to put owen's hand up |
| 20:06 | chris_n | then offers could be vetted by that person |
| 20:07 | owen | Sorry folks, it's not a good time for me to take that job :( |
| 20:07 | Jo | I quite like the idea of having a temp site up in half an hour using kea |
| 20:07 | slef | ok, anyone else? |
| 20:07 | Jo | and then we replace it over the next few weeks |
| 20:08 | magnus | Jo++ |
| 20:08 | thd | Jo++ |
| 20:08 | davi | After having it, announce it |
| 20:08 | Jo | not Chris or me (we are trying to go live with 3.) |
| 20:08 | Ropuch | Jp++ |
| 20:08 | Jo__ | |
| 20:08 | damn ;> | |
| 20:08 | chris | yeah i have about a trillion things to do |
| 20:08 | Jo | does anyone want to volunteer to organise this |
| 20:08 | slef | OK, I volunteer, but davi and mjkaye may flame me for that because I also have 1001 tasks backed up. |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | <- is willing |
| 20:08 | slef | wizzyrea! |
| 20:08 | * wizzyrea | ducks |
| 20:08 | chris_n | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:08 | * slef | withdraws, quickly |
| 20:08 | owen | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:08 | gmcharlt | I am willing to help organize as well, but my priority is going to be getting the alpha out |
| 20:08 | Jo | wizzyrea+ |
| 20:08 | thd | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:09 | chris_n | wordpress wizard |
| 20:09 | Jo | (slef: that was a hasty retreat :) |
| 20:09 | hdl_laptop | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:09 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:09 | sekjal | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:09 | Ropuch | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:09 | chris | wordpress would work fine, with the widgets and stuff |
| 20:09 | magnus | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:09 | imp | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:09 | owen | slef++ # for offering too |
| 20:09 | schuster | wizzyrea++ - gmcharlt - aplpha, beta, final! |
| 20:09 | wordpress++ | |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | I can do that super fast, and you all are wizards so if I need help you know who I'll be asking |
| 20:09 | schuster | (a Texas favorite...:)) |
| 20:09 | Jo | so we have a domain, a partial wwebsite going up, what else? |
| 20:09 | slef | wizzyrea: if you're using something I know (like wordpress, django, static html, or whatever), I'll do my damnedest to help, now I've opened my mouth. |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | I can do wp super ez |
| 20:10 | Jo | slef +1 |
| 20:10 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:10 | slef | but everyone who wants to help, contact wizzyrea! |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | I think the main thing left is to organize download mirrors |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 20:10 | cait | wordpress++ |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | wordpress++ |
| 20:10 | Jo | a mirror on each continent would be good |
| 20:10 | nengard | wordpress++ |
| 20:10 | chris_n | maybe those willing to host mirrors should contact wizzyrea directly? |
| 20:10 | richard | wordpress would be nice and quick |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | I think anybody who wants to run a mirror and who can do so should be allowed to |
| 20:11 | slef | ok, mirrorers? I think software.coop has some problem with mirroring just now, but biblibre is in the same country as us. |
| 20:11 | Are releases GPG-signed? And there should be an md5sum on the www download page. | |
| 20:11 | cait | I have to ask about it |
| 20:11 | nengard | wizzyrea - may I recommend wordpressmu ... then we can have a blog for the newsletter and one for koha news and one for ... etc etc etc |
| 20:11 | gmcharlt | slef: releases are supposed to be signed with checksums |
| 20:11 | hdl_laptop | releases are gpg signed |
| 20:11 | imp | some stats around, how many downloads / traffic it causes per month? |
| 20:11 | hdl_laptop | and there are md5summ also |
| 20:11 | slef | gmcharlt: ok, thanks. Git does this stuff for me automatically now. |
| 20:12 | imp: we don't have access to downloads.koha.org stats to know, I think. | |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | nengard: that would take longer but I'm open to that |
| 20:12 | slef | wizzyrea: I have a wordpress mu git tree which I could upload to the host |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | longer = 15 minutes :P |
| 20:13 | instead of 5 | |
| 20:13 | I"m already to the point of configuring the DNS so... | |
| 20:13 | nengard | hehe |
| 20:13 | awesome | |
| 20:13 | magnus | could we encourage people to get the alpha from git, to ease load on download servers? |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | whoever bought it and wants to put in the server info PM me plz |
| 20:13 | slef | can hdl_laptop tell us any download stats for the release hosted on koha-fr.org? |
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| 20:14 | wizzyrea | brb, afk one min |
| 20:14 | nengard | with MU we can easily create sites with subdomains - like docs.koha-community.org etc |
| 20:14 | so exciting | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | yes, but this is temp, nengard, remember ;) |
| 20:14 | hdl_laptop | slef: would not be accurate since download.koha.org competed with that |
| 20:14 | thd | please also ensure that domain control is transferred to HLT |
| 20:14 | slef | magnus: on a related note, can gmcharlt or hdl_laptop run git pack on git.koha.org to make a tarball there? |
| 20:14 | gmcharlt | slef: alas, no |
| 20:14 | nengard | wizzyrea - temp yes - but i see it as us moving it to koha.org when we have that domain |
| 20:14 | slef | hdl_laptop: no, but better than no info. |
| 20:15 | chris_n | thd: Jo purchased it |
| 20:15 | gmcharlt | at least, not on git.koha.org directly - we no longer have shell access |
| 20:15 | Jo | I did. |
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| 20:15 | thd | I thought so but was not certain it happened that way |
| 20:16 | slef | ok, so we'll let everyone mirror, link them all and put verification instructions on the download page? |
| 20:16 | davi | yep |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | nengard fair enough |
| 20:16 | davi | checked via GPGsign |
| 20:16 | chris | sounds good to me |
| 20:16 | imp | slef: can we make a continent based round robin? |
| 20:16 | davi | bittorrent advised too |
| 20:17 | slef | imp: let's walk for the alpha/beta, run for the release? |
| 20:17 | Sharon | who is best at wordsmithing? The tone of the explanation for the creation of this site will be very important, so as not to piss off anyone |
| 20:17 | davi | or we want to track downloads? |
| 20:17 | * wizzyrea | is going to use wpmu, but it will take a few minutes longer, and require some DNS configuration |
| 20:17 | davi | Sharon++ |
| 20:17 | Jo | wizzyrea: can you flick me an email please |
| 20:18 | imp | slef: ok, technical stuff later :) |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | jo: yep, sec |
| 20:18 | Jo | Rosalie |
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| 20:18 | Vickiteal | Not that it matters, but just for the record I'm starting to warm up to this idea. |
| 20:18 | Jo | Rosalie is good at wordsmithing |
| 20:18 | yippi! | |
| 20:19 | slef | OK, is there anything else left to decide right now? |
| 20:19 | Jo | how about Rosalie (who has probably sloped off into the garden) |
| 20:19 | schuster | Vickiteal is good with political goo and saying the right thing. |
| 20:19 | thd | Rosalie++ |
| 20:19 | slef | (except the date of next meeting?) |
| 20:19 | Vickiteal | Hah, hah schuster. |
| 20:19 | chris_n | March 2? |
| 20:19 | rosa | yes I'm happy to help with stuff I know about |
| 20:20 | collum | Oh. Is this still the meeting. - Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library :) |
| 20:20 | slef | 6. Agree time of next meeting. |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | +1 to March 2 |
| 20:20 | nengard | +! |
| 20:20 | davi | +1 |
| 20:20 | slef | We have Tue 2 March suggested. 19:00? |
| 20:20 | chris_n | +1 |
| 20:20 | davi | 19:00 ++ |
| 20:20 | hdl_laptop | +1 to March,2 |
| 20:20 | imp | +1 |
| 20:21 | tajoli | +1 |
| 20:21 | thd | ++ |
| 20:21 | sekjal | +1 |
| 20:21 | Jo | same time? |
| 20:21 | collum | ++ |
| 20:21 | slef | Jo: yes |
| 20:21 | magnus | +1 |
| 20:21 | Jo | someone will post notes for this meeting? |
| 20:21 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 20:21 | slef | OK, meeting adjourned until 19:00 Tuesday 2 March 2010 and congratulations to collum sneaking on the attendee list! |
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| 20:22 | Jo | thanks everyone |
| 20:22 | slef | Jo: yes. Do you need them before 25 Feb? |
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| 20:23 | slef | Thanks all for participating and all the ideas shared freely. |
| 20:23 | davi | Will be it a communitee meeting or and 'general' one? |
| 20:23 | chris | hiya steven_tw :) |
| 20:23 | davi | What is the difference? |
| 20:23 | chris_n | community |
| 20:23 | slef | davi: that will be community handover. |
| 20:23 | chris_n | the general is a developer meeting in reality |
| 20:24 | davi | ok, thanks |
| 20:24 | slef | davi: CH meetings are about gathering materials with HLT |
| 20:24 | chris_n | or maybe I should say development related |
| 20:24 | slef | chris_n: USERS AND DEVELOPERS... I keep telling everyone ;-) |
| 20:24 | * slef | runs |
| 20:24 | * chris_n | knew that was coming as soon as he hit <enter> |
| 20:24 | chris_n | ;-) |
| 20:24 | steven_tw | hi chris |
| 20:24 | slef | damn, predictability |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | jo: what's your email |
| 20:25 | lol I can't find it >.< | |
| 20:25 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Next general IRC meeting at 19:00 on 9 Feb 2010 | |
| 20:25 | brendan | awesomenesshlt |
| 20:25 | owen | Is that correct? |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt | owen: yes |
| 20:25 | chris_n | time is wrong maybe? |
| 20:25 | slef | wizzyrea: I'll msg it you |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | ty slef |
| 20:25 | chris_n | 1100 UTC according to wiki |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt: ? | |
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| 20:26 | tajoli | for wiki: Tuesday, 09 February 2010 at 11:00 UTC+0 |
| 20:27 | rosa is now known as rosagardening | |
| 20:27 | gmcharlt | chris_n: you're right, it's 11:00 UTC+0 |
| 20:27 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Next general IRC meeting at 11:00 UTC on 9 Feb 2010 | |
| 20:27 | owen | Thanks chris_n |
| 20:28 | schuster | wizzyrea - I'm waiting to be wowed... ;) |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | they wanted MU, it takes a little longer ;) |
| 20:28 | jwagner | I thought the meeting next week was on Wednesday. It's Tuesday? |
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| 20:29 | * owen | gives schuster a "Moo!" in the meantime |
| 20:30 | schuster | Now if I could only get that stuff to print... Guess I'll have to give up until I can get to a higher release. |
| 20:31 | Jo | sorry - was on phone |
| 20:31 | braedon | chris_n: now that the meeting is over, apologies for not getting back to you yesterday. I will give the patch a try today, and see what happens |
| 20:32 | owen | Can someone "select suggestedon from suggestions" and tell me if they're getting an dates? Looks to me like suggestion dates aren't stored |
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| 20:35 | collum | owen: suggestedon is not a column in my table. I have a date which is defined by a timestamp. |
| 20:35 | hdl_laptop | owen should be suggesteddate |
| 20:36 | owen | Well, I'm glad I asked :) |
| 20:36 | * owen | wonders how he got into this predicament |
| 20:37 | schuster | schuster still mooing... people in the office looking at him funny... |
| 20:38 | cait | why does schuster moo? |
| 20:38 | hdl_laptop | owen: ancient code was with suggestedon and not suggesteddate, I thought I had fixed any occurence of suggestedon. |
| 20:39 | owen | hdl_laptop: Database updates seem to be a weak point in the upgrade process. I must have skipped something by mistake. |
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| 20:40 | * owen | still doesn't see data in suggesteddate after adding a new suggestion |
| 20:41 | hdl_laptop | hi indradg |
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| 20:43 | wizzyrea | way early, but koha-community.mykansaslibrary.org (working on the DNS now) |
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| 20:43 | chris_n | wizzyrea++ # nice :-) |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | could have been even faster but you wanted MU. PF. |
| 20:44 | pff, that is ;) | |
| 20:44 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 20:44 | hdl_laptop | owen: seen the bug |
| 20:44 | owen: in opac/opac-suggestion.pl | |
| 20:44 | replace suggestioncreateddate by suggesteddate | |
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| 20:48 | joetho | @karma wizzyrea |
| 20:48 | munin | joetho: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 47 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 47. |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | now that is just scary |
| 20:49 | chris | she deserves it |
| 20:49 | cait | :) |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | heh, we'll see soon enough >.> |
| 20:49 | brendan | @karma chris |
| 20:49 | munin | brendan: Karma for "chris" has been increased 103 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 103. |
| 20:49 | brendan | nice nothing negative about chris |
| 20:49 | jwagner | @karma jwagner |
| 20:49 | munin | jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16. |
| 20:49 | joetho | @karma vickiteal |
| 20:49 | munin | joetho: Karma for "vickiteal" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | because you're awesome like that |
| 20:50 | chris | probably deserve a -- for my crack about the US today tho |
| 20:50 | cait | @karma cait kf |
| 20:50 | munin | cait: cait kf has neutral karma. |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | @karma kf |
| 20:50 | munin | wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | @karma cait |
| 20:50 | munin | wizzyrea: Karma for "cait" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 20:50 | cait | ok, I need to decide who I am |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | def |
| 20:50 | I'm always getting confused | |
| 20:50 | joetho | @karma joetho |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | (and that sounds like a very existential statement) |
| 20:50 | munin | joetho: joetho has neutral karma. |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | joetho++ for being awesome |
| 20:50 | @karma joetho | |
| 20:50 | munin | wizzyrea: Karma for "joetho" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 20:50 | cait | started koha in my free time mostly - so it was cait , kf is my work self |
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| 20:53 | brendan | joetho++ |
| 20:53 | Vickiteal | I stepped away from desk for a few minutes and there is all this stuff about mooing and karma. You guys are funny. |
| 20:53 | I agree with my Karma at 2 and Chris at 103. I'm grateful for the 2. | |
| 20:54 | Jo | wow - playing hardball. with hotels is resulting iun some quite good accom discounts for KohaCon 2010 |
| 20:54 | cait | chris probably deserves more... I forget about the karma thing most of the times when he helps me with something |
| 20:54 | schuster | @karma schuster |
| 20:54 | munin | schuster: Karma for "schuster" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12. |
| 20:54 | gmcharlt | Jo: not surprising - for the upcoming Evergreen conference, the committee practically had hotels begging to host it |
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| 20:54 | schuster | Wow wonder how that happened! |
| 20:57 | * owen | had a suggestions.managedon column instead of suggestions.manageddate too |
| 20:57 | Ropuch | gmcharlt: I wish some airlines would beg me for allowe them to take me to NZ ;> |
| 20:58 | owen | Me too Ropuch |
| 20:58 | gmcharlt | heh |
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| 20:59 | cait | Ropuch: tell me if you find one :) |
| 20:59 | Ropuch | hehe |
| 21:00 | imp | same here :D |
| 21:01 | * Ropuch | has just finished writing 'Installing Koha for my mom' ;> |
| 21:02 | chris | :-) |
| 21:03 | Ropuch | Now I;'m working on part 1 - "Installing Ubuntu on VirtualBox for my mom" |
| 21:03 | I plan to do some tutorials with "My mom can do this" certificate | |
| 21:05 | braedon | haha |
| 21:05 | link? | |
| 21:06 | chris_n | owen: is the left menu in csv-profiles.pl messed up in your development install? |
| 21:06 | Ropuch | braedon: http://bagno.be/koha/instalacja.html |
| 21:06 | But it's in polish | |
| 21:07 | owen | chris_n: I just submitted a patch for it today |
| 21:07 | chris_n | ahh... cool |
| 21:08 | braedon | Ropuch: ...oh. To google translate! |
| 21:08 | Ropuch | Looking through translation atm ;> |
| 21:09 | braedon | i'l have a read through on my lunch break. (two hours or so:( ) |
| 21:22 | magnus_away | it works! http://koha-community.org/ |
| 21:22 | magnus_away is now known as magnus | |
| 21:22 | chilts | sweet! :) |
| 21:22 | * chilts | still needs to read the meeting logs this morning |
| 21:22 | chris | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:23 | magnus | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:23 | chilts | can we go and signup a new blog? |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | not quite yet |
| 21:24 | still setting it up | |
| 21:24 | :) | |
| 21:24 | * chilts | holds back |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | thks :) |
| 21:24 | chilts | :) |
| 21:24 | imp | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:24 | chilts | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:24 | chris | chilts: its more a replacement partial site for www.koha.org |
| 21:24 | chilts | ah, ok |
| 21:24 | owen | chilts: Read the meeting log for all the gory details |
| 21:24 | chilts | righto ... :) |
| 21:24 | sorry | |
| 21:24 | just got excited there | |
| 21:24 | chris | including me slandering an entire nation |
| 21:24 | chris-- | |
| 21:24 | munin | chris: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 21:24 | chilts | lol |
| 21:24 | yeah, saw that | |
| 21:25 | slapped down :) | |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | chris__ |
| 21:25 | chris-- | |
| 21:25 | there, just because | |
| 21:25 | chris | hehe |
| 21:25 | magnus | hehe, someone had to do it... ;-) |
| 21:25 | owen | Now everyone will wonder what the negative karma was for |
| 21:25 | chris, you can spread rumors about a violent outburst, many tears shed all around. | |
| 21:27 | I wonder if we should not be allowing patrons to delete suggestions which have been accepted? | |
| 21:27 | magnus | good night, all - can't wait to see what the site will look like in the morning ;-) |
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| 21:32 | cait | imp++ # for being a nice person ;) |
| 21:32 | chris_n | bbl |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | bah, no nengard |
| 21:33 | owen | quitting_time++ # for being now |
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| 21:33 | cait | time to sleep here :) |
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| 21:43 | chris | brendan: got a sec? |
| 21:43 | brendan | yes |
| 21:43 | chris | do you guys have a 3.0.5 demo running? |
| 21:44 | brendan | no - just HEAD |
| 21:44 | I could get one up | |
| 21:44 | chris | i have one but i break it daily |
| 21:44 | playing with translations | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/about/ |
| 21:44 | i r a thief | |
| 21:44 | chris | :) |
| 21:45 | http://old.koha.org/ is the old site, still up | |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | ohhh good call |
| 21:45 | chris | if there is anythign there you want |
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| 21:45 | brendan | I could switch one of my demo's to 3.0.5 for you if you want it |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | that is up to you |
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| 21:46 | chilts | the old site is better than the Plone one :) |
| 21:46 | chris | plone is a bit stink |
| 21:46 | * wizzyrea | is not a plone fan |
| 21:57 | schuster | wizzyrea is a wizz... looking good... |
| 21:57 | I'll stop mooing now. | |
| 21:57 | Jo | chilts: are you doing the kohacon 2010 website? |
| 21:58 | I have updates for the accommodation which I'd like to email you. | |
| 21:59 | chris | you can edit that page yourself Jo |
| 21:59 | if you want | |
| 21:59 | chilts | Jo: yep ... but I can always give you access to update it yourself (if you have a Google Account)? |
| 21:59 | so either/or .... andychilton -at- gmail -dot- com | |
| 22:00 | Jo | I have a google account |
| 22:00 | chilts | message me your email and I'll add you, or chris can do it too |
| 22:02 | Jo | wizzyrea: you are soooo clever :) |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | we'll see, jo ;) |
| 22:04 | braedon | wizzyrea: missing a <p> block around the Library Standards Compliant paragraph of the about page |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | ah ty, will look, tis just copy/paste |
| 22:05 | better? | |
| 22:05 | braedon | yip :) |
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| 22:14 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 22:18 | pmlozeau joined #koha | |
| 22:18 | chris | hi pmlozeau |
| 22:18 | pmlozeau | hi chris |
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| 22:20 | chris | richard: you about? |
| 22:20 | richard | hey chris |
| 22:21 | chris | katipo wanna be on here http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ ? |
| 22:21 | richard | sure do |
| 22:21 | chris | braedon: ditto you guys |
| 22:21 | richard: wanna drop me an email with what you want it to say, and ill make it so | |
| 22:21 | richard | cool |
| 22:21 | thanks chris | |
| 22:22 | oooh it's alphabetical ;) | |
| 22:22 | chris | yup, no judgement implied at all :) |
| 22:22 | chilts | wow, that site is going up pretty fast :) |
| 22:22 | well done guys :) | |
| 22:22 | joetho | make vendors ASK to be listed |
| 22:22 | ha ha ha ha | |
| 22:23 | chris | what you do joe is make them ask, then ignore them for months |
| 22:23 | brendan | hmm... can't add a patron category on - categorie.pl?op=add_form (for current 3.01.00.110) |
| 22:23 | chris | oh wait, we wanted to do it different |
| 22:23 | pmlozeau | Could we update our entry on the list? (I work for inLibro) |
| 22:23 | braedon | chris: i shall ask steven |
| 22:23 | chris | thanks braedon |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt++ for using the event calendar function j^.^ |
| 22:23 | chris | pmlozeau: you sure can |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | fyi, this is very much like how KLOW works |
| 22:23 | chris | what would you like instead? |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | you can see why we like it |
| 22:24 | pmlozeau | can I send it to you by email? I'll double check with Eric Begin |
| 22:24 | chris | sure can |
| 22:24 | pmlozeau | perfect |
| 22:25 | brendan | yup I need to update my phone number too -- (888) 900-8944 |
| 22:29 | chris | hows that now brendan |
| 22:29 | brendan | thanks chris |
| 22:30 | just missing the part where it says "bywater has programmed %XX of koha" | |
| 22:30 | I know bad joke | |
| 22:30 | * brendan | goes back into hiding |
| 22:30 | chris | hehe |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | @later tell nengard is there a rendered HTML view of the Koha 3.2 docbook anywhere? might be something for you, BibLibre and/or brendan to set up quickly |
| 22:41 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:43 | brendan | gmcharlt there is one |
| 22:43 | I think chris has got it on his site | |
| 22:43 | chris | yeah i have a couple |
| 22:43 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/ | |
| 22:43 | pmlozeau: updated the address | |
| 22:44 | gmcharlt | cool - does it get updated automatically / periodically? |
| 22:44 | chris | yeah, but thats my homeserver so id rather it doesnt get linked to, but that we put it somewhere else :) |
| 22:46 | pmlozeau | chris: thanks! |
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| 23:12 | gmcharlt | for those who missed the meeting - http://koha-community.org/ has been set up as a temporary home away from home - domain is held by HLT, hosting of the Wordpress site by wizzyrea |
| 23:17 | chris | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/web-[…]=10623790&ref=rss |
| 23:20 | gmcharlt | chris: oops, sorry, I redid my retweet to not put words in your mouth |
| 23:20 | chris | no worries :-) |
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| 23:29 | brendan | gmcharlt++ |
| 23:29 | I like the picture you have for twitter | |
| 23:33 | chris | hey Jo, see the new site? |
| 23:33 | gmcharlt | brendan: thanks |
| 23:35 | Jo | yep - and it is beautiful |
| 23:41 | rhcl_inclass | gee, is the IRC meeting still going on? |
| 23:41 | rhcl_inclass is now known as rhcl | |
| 23:41 | chris | hehe no |
| 23:41 | finished hours ago, irc is like this most days | |
| 23:42 | rhcl | I was reading the log just now, looked like it continued for a couple of hours at least |
| 23:42 | chris | bout 1.5 hours ... tis pretty standard |
| 23:42 | gmcharlt | we know not the the meaning of "short meeting" :) |
| 23:43 | joetho | whoa chris I'm glad I checked here, I just changed my dox link to the link you gave me |
| 23:43 | chris | yeah dont be doing that please :-) |
| 23:43 | the will end up probably at docs.koha-community or something | |
| 23:43 | joetho | I will fix it tomorrow. I am quite sure NEKLS will host that |
| 23:43 | or wherever. | |
| 23:43 | chris | i only have 40gig a month bandwidth |
| 23:44 | before i have to pay extra | |
| 23:44 | joetho | whoa |
| 23:44 | I will fix it now | |
| 23:44 | rhcl | can anybody recommend a domain registrar? |
| 23:44 | chris | godaddy is annoying, but cheap |
| 23:44 | i use them for my workbuffer.org domain | |
| 23:45 | rhcl | yea, that's who I usually use, and agree with you 100% |
| 23:45 | joetho | man oh man. goddady gets to make their own rules. |
| 23:46 | chris | i see more commits going in |
| 23:46 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 23:52 | gmcharlt | chris: is the translations branch in a pullable state for 3.2 at the moment? |
| 23:57 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away |
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