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| 01:01 | Nate | goodnight #koha |
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| 01:32 | Genji | hiya all.. anyone know what default.idx:14: Failed to load ICU chain icu.xml means? |
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| 02:33 | liz-nekls | @wunder 66047 |
| 02:33 | munin | liz-nekls: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.9�C (8:30 PM CST on January 06, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 PM CST Thursday... |
| 02:37 | chris | sounds like fun |
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| 02:46 | liz-nekls | where fun = being trapped in your house, then yea :) |
| 02:46 | chris_n2 | bring on the snow... |
| 02:46 | liz-nekls | hehe |
| 02:47 | we've already gotten at least 3 inches... not a whole lot, but on top of the 8 we already have... | |
| 02:47 | * chris_n2 | is looking at 3 chord of split and dry wood along with a fantastic woodstove |
| 02:47 | liz-nekls | this is way more snow than I've seen in year |
| 02:47 | ooh, woodstoves are THE BEST in cold weather | |
| 02:47 | chris_n2 | we're supposed to get an inch or so tomorrow night |
| 02:48 | liz-nekls | my parents have one that they only fire up when it gets under 30 for 5 or more days |
| 02:48 | chris_n2 | yeah, I like doing soups and stews on it |
| 02:48 | the stove is our sole source of heat | |
| 02:48 | liz-nekls | heats the whole house, I always looked forard to it when dad would start it because the house was so much warmer than with the regular furnace |
| 02:48 | chris_n2 | there is something about radiant heat which cannot be beat |
| 02:48 | liz-nekls | ooh |
| 02:50 | chris_n2 | wood is far cheaper than any other fuel and does a fantastic job here in NC where the winters are fairly mild by comparison |
| 02:50 | liz-nekls | you work from home? |
| 02:50 | or is there a special way you tend it to keep it going during the day | |
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| 02:51 | chris_n2 | between my wife and children we manage to keep it going nicely 7/24 |
| 02:52 | its a soapstone stove from Woodstock stoves in VT | |
| 02:52 | liz-nekls | oh, I didn't realize you had an additional labor force :D |
| 02:52 | (meaning the children) | |
| 02:52 | chris_n2 | a whole crew... 3.5 |
| 02:53 | liz-nekls | :D brilliant |
| 02:53 | chris_n2 | the .5 part is my 3 year old... she can carry one piece of wood at a time :-) |
| 02:53 | liz-nekls | hahaha |
| 02:53 | I was going to ask about that but kind of assumed it was a wee one too small to help | |
| 02:53 | chris_n2 | she likes to think she can do the work of the other three |
| 02:54 | and really is the life of the family at times | |
| 02:54 | liz-nekls | I asked my almost-2 year old to cary the vinegar to the kitchen from the pantry, he made it but looked like his arms might fall off lol |
| 02:54 | it wasn't *that* heavy | |
| 02:54 | a smallish bottle | |
| 02:54 | chris_n2 | lol :-D |
| 02:54 | liz-nekls | hey, he wanted to help! |
| 02:54 | chris_n2 | the next one up from the 3 year old is 10, so there is quite a gap |
| 02:55 | liz-nekls | zowie! |
| 02:55 | chris_n2 | yes... a surprise... but very welcomed |
| 02:55 | liz-nekls | I was a surprise myself, so I can appreciate that |
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| 02:56 | chris_n2 | it is amazing how much more rapidly she has developed compared with the others at that age... having older siblings has a dramatic influence |
| 02:57 | liz-nekls | kids are so fascinating to watch grow. All of a sudden they just *do stuff* and you're like, whoa... |
| 02:57 | like, yesterday I was getting spud a sippy with milk, and he said No! Mommy, cup! Straw! | |
| 02:58 | he did *not* want the sippy | |
| 02:58 | and was very happy and careful with his cup and straw | |
| 02:58 | totally out of the blue for me | |
| 02:58 | chris | wait til he tries to make you a coffee |
| 02:58 | liz-nekls | HAHA |
| 02:59 | (more likely tea but oh my look out) | |
| 02:59 | he already knows that honey and milk go into tea, and that tea is yummy | |
| 02:59 | chris | specially when he knows he isnt allowed hot water |
| 02:59 | liz-nekls | LOL, it sounds like you have a story there |
| 02:59 | chris | cold water milk and 4 teaspoons of coffee |
| 02:59 | its not that pleasant | |
| 02:59 | :) | |
| 02:59 | liz-nekls | but funny |
| 03:00 | chris | yeah i nuked it, and drank it, cos he was so pleased with himself |
| 03:00 | liz-nekls | hehe |
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| 03:01 | liz-nekls | I have reached a critical point of saturation with KLOW... I really don't want to work on it, but I know I have to. hrmph |
| 03:02 | I'd rather fart around on twitter | |
| 03:02 | that's how bad it is | |
| 03:02 | chris | hehe |
| 03:11 | chris_n2 | my 3 year old likes coffee |
| 03:11 | decaf I should add | |
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| 03:12 | chris | heh, theres a lifelong addiction in the making :-) |
| 03:13 | http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha | |
| 03:13 | more libraries now | |
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| 03:13 | chris | but there are still 372 without coordinates |
| 03:13 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]&Coordinates=none | |
| 03:13 | if you get really bored liz-nekls ;-) | |
| 03:14 | chris_n2 | ouch... beyond bored I think |
| 03:14 | liz-nekls | it was fun to look at the map, scroll in on kansas and it's like, "hi, we rule you." |
| 03:14 | chris | http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html |
| 03:15 | wow, heather sure likes basketball | |
| 03:15 | brendan | evening all |
| 03:15 | chris | heya brendan |
| 03:15 | chris_n2 | hey bendan |
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| 03:18 | liz-nekls | oh I know right |
| 03:18 | hehe | |
| 03:19 | I mean, I went to KU and I don't like it that much... she isn't even an alum, don't quite get it | |
| 03:19 | I mean, I cheer for my team in the tournament :P | |
| 03:19 | i'm def a fair weather fan. | |
| 03:20 | oh, wow, I had missed the wall of bball tweets... | |
| 03:21 | * liz-nekls | is hit with critical wall of tweets for 9999... dies. |
| 03:25 | chris | heh |
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| 03:37 | Genji | hiya all.. anyone know what default.idx:14: Failed to load ICU chain icu.xml means? |
| 03:37 | Amit | heya brendan, chris, chris_n2 |
| 03:37 | heya Genji | |
| 03:38 | chris_n2 | howdy Amit |
| 03:38 | Genji | Also, anyone who has done a complete install of koha 3.0 RC1 on Debian 4 or 5, and has some spare time available to do it, please let me know. Im tired of banging my head against a brick wall trying to do it. |
| 03:38 | * Genji | is a developer.. not an installer. |
| 03:40 | brendan | heya amit |
| 03:40 | Genji | Any takers? |
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| 03:42 | * Genji | adds.. "Will Pay!" |
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| 03:45 | * chris_n2 | fails to resist the urge to log into his dev box and do a little coding before hitting the hay |
| 03:46 | liz-nekls | ah the siren call of the command line |
| 03:46 | Genji | Hrm... no... siren call of vim or mc, for me. me and the command line are not mixing well. |
| 03:47 | liz-nekls | genji: installing can be so frustrating |
| 03:47 | Genji | liz-nekls: how many times have you done it? |
| 03:47 | chris_n2 | zebras kick kinda hard sometimes too |
| 03:47 | * liz-nekls | still hasn't properly come to terms with nasty old zebra |
| 03:48 | liz-nekls | gengi: probably 15 times, but only a few times with zebra (we hates it precious) |
| 03:48 | so, not that many times, all told | |
| 03:48 | Genji | What the world needs is not love, but a fully set up Koha ISOmatic. Just insert the cd, and installs onto the hdd like Freepbx does. |
| 03:49 | liz-nekls is now known as wizzyrea_ | |
| 03:49 | * wizzyrea_ | slips into a more comfortable persona |
| 03:49 | Genji | would probably need a few versions at that, for libraries that are too paranoid to move from 3.0 to a more recent version. |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea_ | well, there is a live CD, iirc |
| 03:50 | but it doesn't install it, of course | |
| 03:50 | Genji | hmm.. yeah. it needs to be installed into a dedicated box. |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea_ | spose you could image it over to a hard disk |
| 03:51 | Genji | thats also koha 3.0.4 isnt it? |
| 03:51 | how much changes was there between 3 and 3.0.4? | |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea_ | lots |
| 03:52 | many things fixed/added | |
| 03:53 | * wizzyrea_ | loves the exotic nature of cloud hosting, but misses the hum of the server room that goes with it. |
| 03:53 | Genji | would 3.0.0 require things that don't get installed in 3.0.4? |
| 03:53 | As in, could I image the livecd onto hdd, and then copy the old files on top of 3.0.4? | |
| 03:58 | * chris_n2 | figures cloud computing also reduces the HVAC load |
| 03:59 | chris_n2 | why stick with 3.0.0? |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea_ | chris_n2: true, and I thought I read something somewhere about heat exchanging data centers that were using the waste heat to do something useful, but I can't remember what it was exactly |
| 04:01 | chris_n2 | it's great in the winter, but wretched during the summer |
| 04:02 | now if the heat could be used to brew coffee or tea we might be onto something ;-) | |
| 04:02 | Genji | chris_n2: because the library im doing work for, has done custom modifications to koha, and don't want them disturbed. They didn't use git either, nor any VCS, so it would have to be a manual diff and edit. and that would take too much time. |
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| 04:04 | chris_n2 | hmm... setup a 3.0.0 git repo and simply overwrite the files in the repo with those from your current installation... do many small commits or one big one... the move on to the latest 3.0.x from there... re-install over git... and there you are |
| 04:04 | <snap> | |
| 04:05 | well, maybe not quite that easy, but it could be done with much less pain then manual diffs and patches | |
| 04:06 | Genji | Hmmm... |
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| 04:12 | chris_n2 | wb Amit_laptop |
| 04:13 | Amit_laptop | heya chris_n2 |
| 04:13 | chris_n2 | ahhh... two Amit's... twice the work being done ;-) |
| 04:17 | Amit_laptop | chris_n2: no two Amit |
| 04:36 | * chris_n2 | wonders why there are so many "next" and "click here to continue" buttons in the web installer |
| 04:36 | wizzyrea_ | because no one looks "below the fold?" |
| 04:37 | no idea | |
| 04:37 | it gives you a sense of accomplishment to be done after clicking through so much? | |
| 04:38 | * wizzyrea_ | has a purring kitty sitting next to her. poor guy must be cold. |
| 04:40 | * chris_n2 | 's kitty just passed away :-( |
| 04:41 | wizzyrea_ | oh I'm so sorry. |
| 04:41 | chris_n2 | she was well over 10 years old |
| 04:41 | wizzyrea_ | it's hard when furbabies dies |
| 04:41 | die* | |
| 04:41 | chris_n2 | she and our yellow lab always slept together when it was cold |
| 04:42 | * chris_n2 | feels no sense of accomplishment after running the web installer for the zillionth time in row and clicking soooo many "next" buttons :-P |
| 04:42 | chris_n2 | the children took her out and buried her |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea_ | aww that's so sweet |
| 04:48 | I will be so sad when our furbabies die | |
| 04:48 | because i know that hubs will not let me get any more | |
| 04:49 | it will take epic whining of spud to get it to happen. | |
| 05:06 | chris_n2 | and here we go again... "next" ad infinitum... |
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| 05:17 | chris_n2 | chris: I've added sample data for the patron card creator to my repo; it should be available sometime after 0700GMT jan 7 |
| 05:18 | for your testing enjoyment :-) | |
| 05:22 | ok, its after midnight here and I quit... g'night | |
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| 07:17 | eiro | hello workd |
| 07:17 | world, even | |
| 07:18 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
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| 07:43 | thd | good morning paul_p |
| 07:45 | paul_p: I have a question about the different datatypes for marc and marcxml in the database. | |
| 07:46 | paul_p: Why do we use longblob for marc and longtext for marcxml in the database? | |
| 07:46 | paul_p | hi thd (not sleeping ?) |
| 07:47 | thd | no I know that I should be |
| 07:47 | paul_p | because marc is iso2709 raw format, so a kind of binary, while marcxml is pure text |
| 07:47 | thd | data types are keeping me awake |
| 07:48 | paul_p: yet are we not converting all MARC records to UTF-8 before storing them in the database? | |
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| 07:56 | paul_p | thd: yes we do. but it has nothing to do with binary or not ! |
| 08:00 | thd | paul_p: I suppose that we are only using the MARCXML record for parsing. Is that correct? |
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| 08:31 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
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| 09:28 | * greenmang0 | thinks #koha is attracting cr0wd these days!!! :) |
| 09:35 | hdl_laptop | hi all |
| 09:36 | greenmang0 | hi hdl_laptop.. how are you doing?? :) |
| 09:36 | hdl_laptop | good how are you? |
| 09:37 | greenmang0 | hdl_laptop: me good too... |
| 09:47 | * paul_p | head to train station. See you next monday ! |
| 09:47 | chris | evening |
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| 10:07 | kf | hi #koha |
| 10:10 | chris | hi kf :) |
| 10:11 | kf | hi chris :) |
| 10:11 | first day at work this year | |
| 10:11 | just added our koha library to koha map :) | |
| 10:11 | chris | excellent :) |
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| 10:16 | Ropuch | Hello kf :) |
| 10:18 | * chris | goes to sleep |
| 10:19 | kf | hi Ropuch |
| 10:19 | good night chris :) | |
| 10:25 | Ropuch: happy new year / ein schönes Neues Jahr! | |
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| 10:28 | Ropuch | kf:danke, ebenfalls |
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| 10:30 | Ropuch | I've updated my library coords as well so we're visible |
| 10:34 | kf | will add 2 more libraries on 11th |
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| 10:37 | Ropuch | I have an appointment with a person from Studies for Jewish Language & Culture at our university |
| 10:38 | About using Koha in their library | |
| 10:38 | And almost sure we'll provide them a free hosting | |
| 10:39 | kf: thanks again for sendingm me the hebrew virtual keyboard :) | |
| 10:40 | kf | Ropuch: did it work for you? |
| 10:41 | Ropuch | Yup |
| 10:46 | kf | great :) |
| 10:51 | Ropuch: I wish you good luck for your appointment! - have you seen the hebrew records in our koha system? | |
| 10:51 | Ropuch | I borwsed through some of them |
| 10:53 | kf | ah :) still need some improvement, but it works |
| 10:53 | Ropuch | Yup |
| 10:53 | I think they gonna love the possibility of having both hebrew and traslitertated version of tiltes/names | |
| 10:58 | kf | we use 880 fields according to marc21 standard |
| 10:58 | but we copied some fields to 9xx for better indexing - authors in author index, titles in title index etc. | |
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| 12:50 | magnusenger | good morning ptfs ;-) |
| 12:50 | jdavidb | Hi, magnus. :) |
| 12:51 | kf | hi jdavidb and magnusenger |
| 12:51 | jdavidb | Howdy, kf! :D |
| 12:52 | magnusenger | hi kf |
| 12:52 | Nate | Morning All! |
| 12:52 | jwagner | Good morning all. |
| 12:52 | Nate | or afternoon or evening |
| 12:53 | kf | good morning Nate and jwagner |
| 12:53 | jwagner | How about good [time period of your choice]? |
| 12:53 | kf | :) |
| 12:54 | magnusenger | i think i saw "good TOD" recently, Time Of Day. may sound less good to german ears, though... |
| 12:55 | kf | yeah, not so nice tod = death |
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| 12:56 | jwagner | But potentially useful at Halloween :-) |
| 12:57 | kf | :) |
| 12:57 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 13:00 | hdl_laptop | hi all |
| 13:02 | jwagner | Got an XSLT OPAC question for you all, especially BibLibre because I think it may be fixed in the latest version. On a .061 version (roughly October), with XSLT results on, a record with both an 856 URL and an available physical copy only shows the URL in the OPAC results list, not the "copy available at" for the physical copy. |
| 13:02 | kf | ah, my library told me about this too |
| 13:02 | jwagner | If the copy is checked out or otherwise unavailable, then the results list shows it. If I remove the URL, then the copy becomes visible. But if there's a URL and the physical status is "available" it doesn't show. |
| 13:03 | I snuck a peek at a new HEAD install, and the same scenario works there -- both the URL and the available copy show. But I couldn't see any difference in the code where it decides what's available. | |
| 13:03 | Does someone remember fixing this? | |
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| 13:05 | kf | we didn't, so I m happy to hear it will work correctly in 3.2 |
| 13:05 | jwagner | Well, it worked when I duplicated the scenario (imported a record, created a URL and a physical copy). I want to test it with the identical data set where I was having trouble. |
| 13:05 | But thanks for verifying the problem kf -- at least I'm not hallucinating :-) | |
| 13:06 | I looked at a system running a slightly earlier codeset, still .061 but maybe 2-4 weeks older, and the display worked properly there. Something must have snuck in later. | |
| 13:07 | kf | jwagner: no you are not, I saw the problem a while back, we have many urls in our opac (enhanced contetn links from union catalog) |
| 13:07 | but had no time yet to really look for a solution | |
| 13:10 | jwagner | It's definitely XSLT -- when I turn off the XSLT results syspref, the display shows both the URL and the item. |
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| 13:26 | chipsy | have this error any idea:Use of uninitialized value $kohadir in concatenation (.) or string at integration/koha/install-koha.pl line 53. Installing biblios into Installing using symlinks in Koha directories Use of uninitialized value $kohadir in concatenation (.) or string at integration/koha/install-koha.pl line 56. Use of uninitialized value $kohacgidir in concatenation (.) or string at integration/koha/install-koha.pl line 56 |
| 13:27 | trying to install biblios | |
| 13:29 | chris_n | chipsy: I'm not sure anyone here is running biblios |
| 13:29 | it is a separate LibLime sponsored project | |
| 13:30 | chipsy: check out http://biblios.net/ | |
| 13:31 | chipsy: and https://biblios.net/support/forums | |
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| 13:32 | * chris_n | notes an ssl cert problem with https://biblios.net/support/forums |
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| 13:33 | chris_n | oh well |
| 13:34 | * chris_n | wanders back off into the fog of code |
| 13:35 | jwagner | chris_n, before you get too fogged in, did you get a chance to look at that label error the other day? |
| 13:37 | owen | chris_n: trolling the biblios forums? |
| 13:37 | chris_n | jwagner: I'll look now... that was with a search limited by accession date, right? |
| 13:37 | owen: in response to a question by chipsy | |
| 13:37 | jwagner | Right. Using the pulldown to select accession date, then using the calendar gadget to select today. |
| 13:37 | chris_n | owen: but the forums look dead and things appear to have ground to a halt with the google gears/FF compat problem |
| 13:38 | owen | That and LibLime lost their lead biblios developer |
| 13:39 | chris_n | hmmm... imagine that |
| 13:40 | * chris_n | thinks we need a mechanism to allow devs to quickly switch the db their dev install is running over |
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| 13:45 | chris_n | jwanger: can you verify something for me on the label item search on an affected system? |
| 13:45 | jwagner | I can try :-) |
| 13:46 | chris_n | do a search limited only by "Added on or after date" using this date: 8/01/2009 |
| 13:46 | let me know what it says | |
| 13:47 | * chris_n | sees some very bad behavior which varies based on the date entered |
| 13:47 | jwagner | Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/nsf/kohaclone/labels/label-item-search.pl line 129. |
| 13:47 | That's with nothing selected in the pulldown, just using the calendar gadget. | |
| 13:47 | chris_n | well, mine behaves a bit better than that... it at least simply returns to the search form rather than throwing an error :-P |
| 13:48 | jwagner | This is a version 3.01.00.061 from roughly late August to early September, if that helps. |
| 13:49 | chris_n | jwagner: I will look a bit further, but have a sneaking suspicion that this may be the tip of the iceberg on some fundamental search issues which have been lurking |
| 13:49 | * chris_n | heads back under for a moment |
| 13:49 | jwagner | Man the lifeboats! Iceberg ahead!!! |
| 13:50 | chris_n | no, no... strike up the band and deny reality ;-) |
| 13:50 | * owen | reading the logs |
| 13:50 | owen | chris_n: I should get my coffee-loving 3yo together with yours and they can have Coffee Talk. |
| 13:50 | chris_n | lol :-) |
| 13:51 | they'd probably have some conversation about Jamaican Blue Mountain or some other exotic coffee | |
| 13:52 | owen | You know, coffee, pottys, blocks, no big whoop. |
| 13:52 | chris_n | jwagner: try 08/01/2009 # note the '0' placeholder here |
| 13:53 | jwagner | instead of using the gadget? |
| 13:54 | chris_n | right |
| 13:54 | jwagner | Same error. |
| 13:54 | By the way, chris_n, how's your son's hand doing? | |
| 13:57 | * chris_n | services a non-maskable interrupt |
| 14:00 | chris_n | jwagner: he's doing much better now... the finger is beginning to look more recognizable and normal |
| 14:01 | jwagner: other than the issue with a mal-formed date, the search appears to work in the code from the latest HEAD | |
| 14:01 | jwagner | That's good. |
| 14:01 | chris_n | initially I had a bad bit of data... incorrect accession date in an item record |
| 14:01 | jwagner | Are there differences in latest head versus the version from a few months ago? |
| 14:02 | chris_n | om |
| 14:02 | the last change was made on 2009-09-06 | |
| 14:04 | jwagner: last major changes were made my myself with the labels code re-write | |
| 14:05 | jwagner | Hmm. I'll have to check the date on these systems to see if the 9/6 change might be in there. Do you have it as a separate patch? |
| 14:06 | chris_n | 61 is after that point, so your running the latest labels code in that regard |
| 14:06 | owen | Wow, when the Google street view trucks have made it to Chauncey OH they've really reached the bottom of their list |
| 14:06 | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=[…]2,128.02,,0,-8.79 | |
| 14:06 | chris_n | jwagner: does your search always throw the same error? |
| 14:07 | or does it ever return a result set? | |
| 14:07 | owen: some library facility there, eh | |
| 14:07 | jwagner | Not sure about all searches, but I just tried a title search & got the same error. |
| 14:08 | chris_n | hmm... any additional info in the log? |
| 14:08 | owen | chris_n: That's where Koha's original NPL templates were born :) |
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| 14:09 | owen | ...And where we reviewed paul_p's answer to the RFP for MARC support for Koha |
| 14:09 | jwagner | chris_n, nothing in the error log beyond the above error message. |
| 14:09 | This system is from earlier than 9/6 according to the all-knowing jdavidb :-) | |
| 14:10 | chris_n | interesting... a title search on 'Contemporary' returns 59 results of which only the first three have the word in the title |
| 14:10 | * jdavidb | snorts. |
| 14:10 | jdavidb | If I was "all-knowing", you wouldn't be having this problem. I'd have already solved it for you. |
| 14:11 | jwagner | Only if you were also all-inclined-to :-) |
| 14:11 | * jdavidb | clearly isn't all-knowing today; spent twenty minutes trying to figure out why he couldn't pull a repo from github, only to realize he'd spelled the repo name incorrectly. |
| 14:11 | chris_n | jwagner: you could try grabbing http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]search.pl;hb=HEAD and its associated template |
| 14:12 | and then drop them in over the existing files on your install | |
| 14:12 | and see if that helps | |
| 14:12 | the patches contain changes in multiple files, so I'm not sure they will apply nicely | |
| 14:14 | jwagner | I'll talk to jdavidb about that, chris_n -- we may try it on their test server. Thanks. |
| 14:16 | chris_n | jwagner: if that works for you then you could create a set of patches from your test server and apply them to the production box |
| 14:17 | owen | If anyone's spending their day sifting through lib-web-cats, this is useful: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx[…]longitude_values/ |
| 14:17 | * chris_n | uses that tip often :-) |
| 14:19 | jwagner | chris_n, the URL brought down a .pl file -- how to get the template(s)? |
| 14:22 | chris_n | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]sult.tmpl;hb=HEAD |
| 14:22 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]arch.tmpl;hb=HEAD | |
| 14:22 | you'll need both | |
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| 14:23 | jwagner | Thanks! |
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| 14:23 | chris_n | jwanger: I'm not sure that this will maintain the integrity of your label code on the test server |
| 14:23 | but it should allow you to test the search | |
| 14:24 | assuming you are using git, you can just 'git reset --hard HEAD' to get back out of the changes if things break badly | |
| 14:24 | jwagner | We're not too worried about the code itself -- set up a new branch, if it fails, go back to the old one. |
| 14:24 | chris_n | right |
| 14:24 | just a full-disclosure on my part :-) | |
| 14:25 | but if your at version 61, I'm surprised you don't have these changes already | |
| 14:26 | but then I often am surprised by what upgrades do to my own dev server | |
| 14:28 | owen: interesting bit of history about the NPL templates... seems it should be included somewhere in the annals of Koha history | |
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| 14:30 | chris_n | bbiab |
| 14:30 | chipsy | how can i locate my koha cgi dir? |
| 14:34 | hdl_laptop | less koha-conf.xml |
| 14:34 | intranetcgi | |
| 14:39 | chipsy | cant find intranetcgi there |
| 14:40 | i'm using dev | |
| 14:42 | hdl_laptop | intranetdir is your intranetcgi |
| 14:44 | chipsy | and which one is kohadir |
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| 15:38 | ccurry | hello, all. In the final stages of our Koha implementation and I'm trying to sort out the bib/auth linking. Can someone direct me to documentation describing what the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script is looking for when it checks bibs (if it exists)? I loaded 1 record and one of it's associated authority records into my catalog and the script checks the bib, but doesn't modify it. No... |
| 15:38 | ...errors are reported. I'm no expert on authority control, so I'm not sure if our old catalog created bad records or there is some further configuration that needs to be done in order to get the script to work for our records. I found this thread on this list, which may point to the latter: http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]8-May/007629.html. Any help is appreciated. | |
| 15:39 | its* | |
| 15:40 | kf | ccurry: we import authority and bibliographic data already linked by id numbers, so we dont use the script, I think it should add the id number of the auth record to $9 in bib? |
| 15:42 | ccurry | By "id numbers" do you mean 005 control numbers? |
| 15:43 | $9 of which field? | |
| 15:49 | kf | in bib for example 100 $9 for an author |
| 15:49 | im not sure about the authority, I think koha generates his own numbers - pk in db table | |
| 15:50 | according to marc21 it should be in 001 of the authority file afaik | |
| 15:51 | we import authority data so that the number in $9 matches the pk of the authority in the database, so no need for the linking script | |
| 15:53 | ccurry | kf:How do you go about inserting the $9s in the bibs? It seems like the script would be easier (if I knew what I was doing). |
| 15:54 | kf | we get our data from our union catalog, we use a little script to switch the identity number from $0 to $9 and it works nice with koha |
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| 16:04 | kf | sorry, need to leave now |
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| 16:05 | ccurry | thanks kf |
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| 16:05 | chris_n | hdl_laptop: will you provide me with a French translation of "Limit images stored in the database by the Patron Card image manager to this number."? |
| 16:06 | hdl_laptop | is it the number or the weight of images ? |
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| 16:07 | hdl_laptop | 'Limiter la taille des images stockées en base pour la photo Lecteur à cette taille.' |
| 16:08 | I assume it is the weight (size in Mo) | |
| 16:11 | chris_n | hdl_laptop: number == quantity |
| 16:11 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 16:11 | chris_n | not size as in bytes or filesize |
| 16:11 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -13.0�C (10:08 AM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -24.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... |
| 16:11 | hdl_laptop | 'Limiter le nombre d'images stockées en base pour la photo Lecteur à cette taille.' |
| 16:11 | chris_n | tnx |
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| 16:14 | jwagner | hdl_laptop, shouldn't it be cette nombre in the second version? |
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| 16:15 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 16:15 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 4.6�C (11:13 AM EST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising). |
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| 16:30 | owen | schuster: I just submitted a patch to implement that inline add/edit option on the add item screen |
| 16:31 | So it's at least conceivable that at some point in the future you'll get it :) | |
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| 17:29 | * chris_n | heads out in search of food |
| 17:47 | schuster | ok about this tweet going around about updating Libwebcats... As a consortium type multi branch library someone put all of our schools in but it wasn't us so there are 67 that will NEVER get location updates |
| 17:48 | owen | Those locations are locked? |
| 17:48 | schuster | Not sure what you mean by Locked? |
| 17:49 | owen | schuster: Can you not log in and edit them yourself? |
| 17:54 | schuster | I can edit it but what should I be editing? |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea do you have all your libraries listed or just the consortium? | |
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| 17:55 | schuster | OK so I found the edit and the "closed" option so what does that do to the entry? |
| 17:55 | Thanks for the tip owen | |
| 17:57 | owen | schuster where do you see the "closed" option? |
| 17:57 | Oh, under Edit -> Status? | |
| 17:59 | schuster | Got it now I guess I have to do that for all 67 locations! |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | i think all, that blob of libraries would be much smaller if we only listed NExpress |
| 18:03 | owen | Yeah, Texas is big, needs lots of spots on the map! ;) |
| 18:03 | schuster | Oh it makes sense for individual libraries just wondering about consortium types. Several of the school librarians called me asking if they needed to fill out this survey on the automation business. |
| 18:04 | Someone had actually put the principal and the librarian emails into libwebcats so they were being contacted about his annual survey. | |
| 18:04 | I don't want to fill out the survey 67 times either... | |
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| 18:09 | sekjal | hmmm, my 6 of my 9 locations are listed separately in libwebcats, but we're considered one library.... what to do? |
| 18:20 | schuster | it's that survey that concerns me.. I can see a librarian at a school submit some really nasty stuff that they don't like Koha but they really don't get much of a choice. |
| 18:32 | chris | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new[…]guishes-25th.html |
| 18:34 | i vote we all go work for biblibre :-) | |
| 18:38 | and now i must go catch the 5th best bus :) bbl | |
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| 18:44 | * chris_n | runs out to get a plane ticket to France :-) |
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| 19:28 | richard | hi |
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| 19:39 | chris_n | hi richard |
| 19:39 | richard | hi chris_n |
| 19:39 | chris_n | and nicomo |
| 19:39 | richard | and nicomo :) |
| 19:39 | nicomo | hi chris_n |
| 19:43 | chris | back |
| 19:53 | down to 302 libraries without coordinates, was 411 this time yesterday :) | |
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| 19:59 | schuster | It will drop another 64 tonight when I have a chance to close all my schools! |
| 19:59 | Leaving just one location | |
| 20:01 | chris | :-) yeah that makes sense |
| 20:08 | chris_n | owen: if I reference an image in the 'img' dir from withing an include file in the 'includes' dir... what is the correct pathing? |
| 20:08 | ../../image.gif is what I thought | |
| 20:08 | but it does not seem to work | |
| 20:08 | nor does any of several variations :-( | |
| 20:09 | owen | /intranet-tmpl/prog/img/ |
| 20:10 | chris_n | owen++ |
| 20:10 | works like a charm | |
| 20:10 | so basically absolute pathing from the document root is the rule? | |
| 20:11 | owen | Well let's see, other places in the templates use <!-- TMPL_VAR Name="themelang" -->/img/ |
| 20:12 | Does that work as well? | |
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| 20:13 | chris_n | this is a reference in an inline style |
| 20:13 | om I'll try | |
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| 20:14 | chris_n | owen: no since the 'en' and 'img' dir are on the same level |
| 20:15 | and the template var ends up rendering as: url(/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/img/alert-bg.gif) | |
| 20:15 | rather than url(/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/alert-bg.gif) | |
| 20:15 | owen | Yeah, that's right, which is what we used to do |
| 20:15 | But then we moved the img dir out of the lang dir | |
| 20:15 | chris_n | but maybe <!-- TMPL_VAR Name="themelang" -->/../img/ |
| 20:16 | yes this ^^ seems to work | |
| 20:16 | chris | yeah there should be different types of images |
| 20:16 | chris_n | is that a better approach rather than hardcoding the themelang path? |
| 20:16 | chris | those which are language dependent |
| 20:16 | and those which arent | |
| 20:17 | ie a blue image can be safely shared | |
| 20:17 | owen | We should really have a "theme" variable to go along with "themelang" for such occasions |
| 20:17 | chris_n | hmmm... the 'en' dir does not have a 'img' subdir |
| 20:17 | chris | an image that contains the word blue .. .not so much |
| 20:17 | * chris_n | wonders if the image language distinction is maintained in the current directory structure? |
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| 20:19 | owen | chris_n: do you mean does the current set of images really avoid any language references? |
| 20:20 | chris_n | no; rather that the current directory structure does not allow for the distinction to be made |
| 20:20 | I think some of the itemtypeimg images may violate the distinction already | |
| 20:20 | owen | True |
| 20:21 | But at least those are user-configurable | |
| 20:21 | I think the only significant exception is the staff client login logo | |
| 20:21 | chris_n | chris: maybe we should add this to the list for the 3.4 cleanup |
| 20:22 | or are those subdirs generated when one runs the translation install routine? | |
| 20:22 | chris | pass |
| 20:22 | lets put it on the list so that we at least confirm what its doing | |
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| 20:47 | schuster | Ok I do have a question after battling getting koha installed again on this laptop. |
| 20:48 | I have discovered that the instructions for installation are really good that are in the GIT pull in the Kohaclone directory. Is there a reason that those instructions for the different versions and flavors of unix are not posted on the wiki? | |
| 20:50 | chris | only because no one posed them |
| 20:50 | those same instructions are in the releases too | |
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| 20:50 | chris | its expected that people read the INSTALL file before trying to isntall, but that may be a false expectation |
| 20:51 | schuster | And how would one get the Install? |
| 20:53 | There are these things it talks about doing on the instructions like how to setup debian to do the git etc... and then you git blah.... but they never refer to the instructions that are found in the Kohaclone directory. I stumbled upon those last year when I was installing Koha. | |
| 20:53 | Just me talking out loud - you said you liked people who did that I think....:) | |
| 20:54 | chris | its in the release |
| 20:54 | you download the release | |
| 20:54 | unpack it, and read it | |
| 20:55 | then you could go .. oh ill want to run from git instead of a stable release, cos im braze/crazy | |
| 20:55 | :) | |
| 20:55 | generally the assumption is if you want to run from unstable code, you are savvy enough to figure it out, which again may be a false assumption | |
| 20:58 | * chris_n | sure would feel better drinking java rather than writing in it :-) |
| 20:59 | schuster | OK but noplace does it say where to find these directions or that there are directions. This is as close as I have found - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]enny_installation |
| 21:00 | chris | yep, its an assumption that when peopel download the software, the read the INSTALL file that comes with it |
| 21:00 | theres no harm in documenting that elsewhere too though | |
| 21:01 | schuster | Just speaking as a librarian interested in running Koha - I think this was my biggest stumbling block was there are no directions to look at telling me where things are. Read... What you mean I can't just load it an it will work? |
| 21:02 | chris | there are directions, you just didnt know where they were :-) |
| 21:02 | schuster | I've pondered doing it on the wiki, but hesitated wanted to get other peoples thoughts. It would be very easy under each version to put a copy of the documents there for people to look over BEFORE they download it. |
| 21:02 | chris | they used to be on the koha.org site |
| 21:02 | along with the download link | |
| 21:02 | but lets not go there | |
| 21:02 | schuster | That is true... I stumbled upon them late one night when I got frustrated and started looking at files. |
| 21:02 | yes let's not as they are not there any longer. | |
| 21:03 | chris | and no way to put them back, so the wiki seems the next best place |
| 21:03 | schuster | I realized last night that there were new directions for Lenny in the kohaclone directory and what needed to be done with the apt-get setup... Much easier than the old directions I was following! |
| 21:04 | At least when people are trying to install you could refer them to a page and ask if they have read it. | |
| 21:04 | or should I say the correct instructions. | |
| 21:04 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:05 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 21:05 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.9�C (4:01 PM EST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 14%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 9 PM this evening to 9 am EST Friday... |
| 21:06 | schuster | OK I'll work on the 3.0 instructions to the wiki. I know that Nicole and Owen had some dependancies that they had to add after their installs where those ever included in the directions? |
| 21:06 | seems something about snowball? and??? | |
| 21:06 | @wunder 75074 | |
| 21:06 | munin | schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is -0.5�C (3:00 PM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... |
| 21:07 | chris | maybe drop nengard an email, it wouldnt hurt to have the install docs in the koha documentation repo as well |
| 21:07 | @wunder wellington, nz | |
| 21:07 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:13 | chris_n | chris: excellent idea |
| 21:22 | * chris_n | heads out |
| 21:22 | chris_n | bbl |
| 21:26 | Genji | chris: you got time to do a paid install of Koha 3.0.0 RC1 onto a debian system, sometime soonish? |
| 21:26 | chris | i wish i could say yes |
| 21:26 | but im swamped | |
| 21:26 | masonj: you about ? | |
| 21:26 | * Genji | nods. "Wish you could too. Bummer. Know anyone else who has done it successfully?" |
| 21:26 | chris | mason will have the skills to do it |
| 21:27 | and is in wellington too | |
| 21:27 | not sure how busy he is | |
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| 21:27 | * Genji | nods. "Under $300 USD, and the jobs basically his. Rather trust someone im familiar with than someone who just has a few posts on koha-dev under their name." |
| 21:28 | chris | yep, mason has been round a while, ex katipod like me |
| 21:29 | Genji | How come you didn't go back to Katipo? |
| 21:29 | chris | a few reasons, none of them really anything to do with katipo |
| 21:29 | Genji | Eh.. probably not my place to ask anyway..... Anyway, $300 USD too much for a install? |
| 21:30 | chris | the main one being i wanted to work in an office, with young kids |
| 21:30 | you cant get any work done at home | |
| 21:30 | also catalyst is a lot bigger and i wanted to try my hand at that also | |
| 21:30 | * Genji | nods. "Agreed. one of the reasons why I live alone now." |
| 21:30 | chris | i would still recommend katipo as an employer to anyone though |
| 21:30 | they treated me very well | |
| 21:31 | * Genji | nods. "I would apply, but I think I still need alot more learning before Im ready." |
| 21:31 | Genji | Can't even install koha 3.0 RC1 on debian 5, yet. Im just hitting brick walls. |
| 21:32 | chris | pm'd ya with masons email |
| 21:35 | Genji | yup. got it. |
| 21:35 | so, $300 usd too much for just an install? | |
| 21:36 | Seems abit high to me... but im not that experienced to get top dollar anyway. | |
| 21:38 | Yes? no? | |
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| 22:00 | masonj | heya genji |
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| 22:01 | brendan | looks like you scared him away masonj |
| 22:02 | masonj | lol, prolly a network blip... |
| 22:03 | i wa going to reply today , on the lists - as i'm curious about a hostgator koha | |
| 22:03 | i had a hostgator account bout 1 year ago, recommended by chris.c | |
| 22:04 | and we (chris and i ) had some gotchas with installing stuff | |
| 22:06 | from memory, the the zebra and yaz setup was the show stopper | |
| 22:08 | things may have changed since then.. | |
| 22:16 | . | |
| 22:18 | i was using a 'baby-croc?' HG option tho, which was some restricted chrooted shell thing | |
| 22:18 | chilts | I think all shared hosting is a chrooted shell |
| 22:18 | same on A2Hosting | |
| 22:19 | masonj | right, and bluehost etc... |
| 22:19 | chilts | ah Bluehost was the one I was trying to remember earlier :) |
| 22:19 | (completely separate topic) | |
| 22:20 | masonj | sounds like genji has some xen-VM option from HG |
| 22:21 | chilts | yeah, HG just started doing VPSs late last year |
| 22:22 | masonj | i recently did a koha3 install on a rackspace xen-VM, was pretty straight-forward |
| 22:23 | hdl_laptop | good night folks |
| 22:23 | chilts | I guess you get full control there having root |
| 22:23 | brendan | night hdl_laptop |
| 22:24 | masonj | night hdl |
| 22:31 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 22:31 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -16.6�C (4:28 PM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... |
| 22:34 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | @wunder 66047 |
| 22:44 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -13.9�C (4:42 PM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -23.0�C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030.4 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... |
| 22:44 | chris_n2 | @wunder north pole, alaska |
| 22:44 | munin | chris_n2: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -15.6�C (1:41 PM AKST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -60.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | @wunder McMurdo Station, antarctica |
| 22:46 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -2.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | ugh, you're killin me |
| 22:46 | chris_n2 | heh |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | it's effin cold here |
| 22:46 | chris_n2 | @convert |
| 22:46 | munin | chris_n2: (convert [<number>] <unit> to <other unit>) -- Converts from <unit> to <other unit>. If number isn't given, it defaults to 1. For unit information, see 'units' command. |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea | ok, i'm leaving before it gets dark and all of the idiots hit the street |
| 22:47 | :) | |
| 22:47 | ttyl | |
| 22:47 | chris_n2 | @convert -13.9 centigrade to Fahrenheit |
| 22:47 | munin | chris_n2: Error: centigrade is not a valid unit. |
| 22:47 | chris_n2 | ttyl |
| 22:47 | @convert -13.9 Celsius to Fahrenheit | |
| 22:47 | munin | chris_n2: 6.98 |
| 22:49 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 22:49 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.5�C (2:42 PM PST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:50 | chris_n2 | no snow there, eh brendan |
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