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| 00:22 | pianohacker | hallo, brendan |
| 01:12 | Steven joined #koha | |
| 01:12 | Steven | anybody there? |
| 01:13 | can anyone teach how to add multiple copy under cataloguing using Koha 3.0? | |
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| 03:13 | Amit | hi chris, brendan, chris_n2 |
| 03:13 | chris_n2 | hey Amit |
| 03:33 | brendan | hey Amit |
| 03:33 | good evening all | |
| 03:36 | pianohacker | hi brendan |
| 03:36 | brendan | evening pianohacker |
| 03:44 | chris_n2 | ahhh... what a beautiful sight... the koha web installer running on win32 |
| 03:44 | brendan | congrats |
| 03:45 | pianohacker | very nice |
| 03:45 | chris_n2 | if one can say anything on win32 is beautiful... |
| 03:45 | pianohacker | beautiful in the sense of reaching the top of a long hill :) |
| 03:49 | * chris_n2 | thinks this might be more of the carrot and stick sort of thing |
| 03:49 | chris_n2 | the web installer borks a bit |
| 03:52 | * pianohacker | is not a fan of owen's new checkout list on circulation.tmpl |
| 03:53 | pianohacker | too_many_columns-- |
| 03:54 | * chris_n2 | wonders why in the world the installer tries to access db tables that it should well know do not yet exist |
| 03:54 | pianohacker | I think that's a C4::Languages oddity |
| 03:54 | chris_n2 | it fills the log with needless bits |
| 03:55 | pianohacker | that module's broken anyway |
| 03:55 | chris_n2 | broken_modules-- |
| 03:55 | chris | yup |
| 03:55 | C4::Search and C4::Languages are both needlessly complex | |
| 03:55 | on the list for 3.4 | |
| 03:56 | chris_n2 | must be the getAllLanguages sub |
| 03:56 | chris | yeah that thing is foul |
| 03:56 | thats why i cache the hell out of it | |
| 03:56 | its slow and its called on every single page | |
| 03:56 | chris_n2 | I assume that the getTranslatedLanguages sub looks at a dir structure rather than a db table? |
| 03:57 | chris | it looks at both |
| 03:58 | * chris_n2 | rips them both out of his local copy to clear up the log for real errors ;-) |
| 04:01 | chris | ok, time for me to go catch my bus |
| 04:01 | pianohacker | cya |
| 04:01 | good night, all | |
| 04:02 | good luck with win32, chris_n2 | |
| 04:02 | chris_n2 | tnx |
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| 04:51 | chris_n2 | wb si |
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| 04:57 | chris_n2 | now to tackle the big Z |
| 04:58 | * chris_n2 | notes that the installer is broken on win32 |
| 06:08 | chris_n2 | very nice... the installer is basically fixed for win32 |
| 06:11 | g'night | |
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| 06:46 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 06:58 | chris | hi Ropuch |
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| 07:22 | CGI818 | hai I am nithin |
| 07:22 | I need ur help | |
| 07:23 | does koha2.2.9 works with mysql 5 | |
| 07:24 | pls help | |
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| 07:30 | Steven | Hi, anybody there? |
| 07:30 | I m a librarian for Victoria International College | |
| 07:31 | I wanna implement Koha 3.0 as my library system, but there r few questions i wanna ask....can anybody help me? | |
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| 07:33 | ftherese | Steven: I just started using koha, but I might be able to answer a question or two |
| 07:33 | Steven | Koha 3.0 only work in Linux server, as my college is using windows server 2003 initially, can actually linux server work with windows server as a whole? |
| 07:34 | I can ask my ICT dept to set up a linux server for me to run Koha, but they r asking me how the linux server work with the intitial windows server 2003 | |
| 07:35 | bcoz they cant afford to change all the server to linux os.... | |
| 07:35 | ftherese | koha requires a webserver(Apache2), mysql, and a few other -nux services |
| 07:35 | that is just on ONE linux machine | |
| 07:36 | otherwise, the other machines will connect to the library service via http | |
| 07:37 | the linux server would function independantly of other server functions | |
| 07:37 | it is basically a webserver with mysql database | |
| 07:38 | you could run the virtual machine version of koha | |
| 07:38 | and in that case there would be nothing to change at the server level, except to open up the ports needed to access the webservices provided by koha | |
| 07:38 | Ropuch | Perl modules are main problem |
| 07:39 | Steven | bcoz what my ICT dept ppl concern is.....they wanna build a linkage with 2 diff servers (Linux and Windows) so they can backup everything regularly in one shot |
| 07:39 | Ropuch | I'm sure you can run your db on whatever platform you like |
| 07:39 | Steven: i can't see a problem here | |
| 07:40 | ftherese | if your ICT dept has any clue about what they are doing there should be no problem running koha |
| 07:40 | Steven | actually i m not so good in those server stuff |
| 07:40 | ftherese | c'est pas grave |
| 07:41 | if you just want to test it you can get the virtual machine version and have your IT people check it out too | |
| 07:41 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ember/012448.html | |
| 07:42 | that link does not work | |
| 07:42 | Steven | but got anyone of u....using Linux server with Koha then the main server is windows server based? |
| 07:42 | ftherese | that should pose no problem |
| 07:43 | the linux server running koha lives in its own little world | |
| 07:43 | and merely provides a few services | |
| 07:43 | that relate directly to the functioning of Koha | |
| 07:43 | Ropuch | I'm running koha on virtual box with linux, I don't realy know or care what is OS on main system, that does not concern me |
| 07:44 | ftherese | http://kylehall.info/index.php[…]irtual-appliance/ |
| 07:44 | there is the link for the virtual appliance | |
| 07:44 | Ropuch | Steven: just ask your IT to provide you with virtual server with linux installed, it's really piece of cake for them |
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| 07:54 | Steven | virtual server is wat actually? sorry for my stupid question |
| 07:55 | ftherese | steven: I don't know much personally, but it can run a virtual machine from within the windows server |
| 07:55 | http://www.microsoft.com/windo[…]em/virtualserver/ | |
| 07:56 | you can read more about it there | |
| 07:56 | or if you'd like to skip microsoft's take on it, you can go directly to the wiki | |
| 07:56 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M[…]ft_Virtual_Server | |
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| 08:03 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:03 | chris | hi kf |
| 08:04 | kf | hi chris :) |
| 08:04 | * ftherese | is becoming familiar with mysql |
| 08:04 | Steven | thx for ur help ftherese n ropuch |
| 08:05 | hope my ICT dept can really work on it....bcoz Koha is a really good ILS which is FOC to everybody | |
| 08:05 | ftherese | no problem steven, I hope that helps... if you have any further questions feel free to come back! |
| 08:05 | Steven | yaya....no problem |
| 08:06 | so for virtual machine set up....i need to download from the said link u provided? | |
| 08:06 | * ftherese | is chuffed about how quickly and accurately #mysql answers questions |
| 08:06 | kf | http://koha.enc.sorbonne.fr/ shown in German and without stylesheet :( I dont like language detection. |
| 08:07 | chris | its detecting your browser? |
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| 08:13 | kf | chris: its detecting that Im from Germany. dont know how, but its annoying, because German templates are ugly most of the time (stylesheet only in folder en), I saw a patch from nahuel, I hope it gets better. |
| 08:18 | chris | hmm, i think its most likely detecting your language setting in your browser |
| 08:18 | the is no code in koha to do geo-ip matching | |
| 08:18 | but there is code to detect language settings from browsers | |
| 08:21 | yep, its doing that | |
| 08:21 | i just set my language to german in firefox | |
| 08:21 | fugly now | |
| 08:22 | * chris | switches it back to english |
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| 08:24 | CGI600 | hai good afternoon |
| 08:25 | is koha 2.2.9 work with mysql 5 | |
| 08:26 | hello pls help | |
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| 08:35 | kf | chris: where is this setting in firefox? |
| 08:40 | chris | preferences |
| 08:40 | then content | |
| 08:41 | (preferences is under edit (in linux anyway)) | |
| 08:42 | you can choose quite a few languages, and the order it will try to do | |
| 08:42 | for eg, mine goes en_nz, en_gb, then en_us | |
| 08:43 | CGI600: no 2.2.9 wont work well with mysql 5 .. but 2.2.9 is very old and out of date | |
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| 09:05 | kf | chris: thx! |
| 09:07 | chris: ok, now its a beautiful koha opac! | |
| 09:10 | chris | :) |
| 09:10 | im picking that when they ran install-code for german it didnt complete properly | |
| 09:15 | kf | chris: hm, I discussed this with jdavidb - the css-file from system pref is not copied to de-DE I think, its only en |
| 09:16 | chris | hmm it should be |
| 09:16 | ahh specialised css? | |
| 09:16 | kf | chris: and German is not activated, but I think this is something Nahuel corrected, I remember a patch about language detection |
| 09:16 | chris | the templates must exist, otherwise it wouldnt use it |
| 09:17 | and the css works for en and fr | |
| 09:17 | kf | chris: yes, but I think its not checked in sys pref for languages |
| 09:17 | hm | |
| 09:18 | chris | yep the checking in syspref only controls what languages you can pick (along the bottom) |
| 09:19 | but if you have templates available, and the person hasnt picked a language (that is set in a cookie) it will try to use the language the browser is set for | |
| 09:20 | so the way to not have that happen is don't have templates set up for languages you dont want | |
| 09:22 | but why it didnt copy the css file is another question, since it should copy everything from english (images, js, css) | |
| 09:25 | kf | I think its added after template generaton |
| 09:25 | chris: you generate the templates during install, but add a custom css later | |
| 09:26 | chris | ahh well yeah, that will never work :) |
| 09:26 | if you do that, you need to copy that css file | |
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| 09:30 | kf | chris: this is the patch from nahuel I was talking about: [Koha-patches] [PATCH] (bug #3754) fix language choose |
| 09:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3754 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Language detection doesn't take really care of syspref |
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| 09:34 | chris | yeah im not sure that the language detection should care about the syspref |
| 09:34 | the syspref is just to control the options you show on the page | |
| 09:35 | and what the default language is | |
| 09:35 | but i could be convinced either way | |
| 09:37 | :) | |
| 09:37 | hdl | chris we have some customers who ask that the default language should be first |
| 09:40 | nicomo | I think koha is trying to be too clever here |
| 09:40 | we have a mix with syspref, css, templates, browser, and it's a mess, people don't know what to expect | |
| 09:40 | kf | hdl + nicomo: perhaps the option to choose a language should be always displayed when more than one language is selected |
| 09:40 | nicomo | yep, might be good |
| 09:41 | + in admin selecting a language as "default" | |
| 09:41 | kf | and english opac is better than a old and incomplete translation with missing stylesheets etc. |
| 09:41 | nicomo | and stop trying to second-guess the user based on his/her browser |
| 09:41 | kf: indeed | |
| 09:41 | chris | nicomo: the easy answer is dont install templates you dont want to offer the user |
| 09:42 | we could have a syspref to disable the browser check | |
| 09:42 | nicomo | I want to offer the german version to the user |
| 09:42 | not force it upon them | |
| 09:43 | chris | they can change it |
| 09:43 | by picking the language at the bottom | |
| 09:43 | nicomo | true |
| 09:43 | magnusenger | apropos: anyone got an idea why our two norwegian languages are displayed as "Norsk" (correct) and nn-NO (not quite what you want users to see) at the bottom of the OPAC? http://sksk.bibkat.no/ |
| 09:43 | nicomo | but no language is considered "default", and that's sometimes troubling |
| 09:43 | chris | its just giving them the language they choose their browser to operate in as first option |
| 09:44 | yep, i like it | |
| 09:44 | so i would like it to be a syspref | |
| 09:44 | so that for those who dont want browser detection they can turn it off | |
| 09:44 | nicomo | chris: ++ |
| 09:44 | but then, what's the "default"? | |
| 09:45 | first language/template installed/generated? | |
| 09:45 | chris | if you turn off browser detection, whatever you picked as default is default |
| 09:45 | you can set the default in syspref now | |
| 09:45 | nicomo | ? |
| 09:45 | I'm confused | |
| 09:45 | didnt know that | |
| 09:45 | where? | |
| 09:46 | chris | opaclanguages |
| 09:47 | magnusenger | hm, i'm getting some weirdness there... |
| 09:47 | i searched for "lang" among the sysprefs | |
| 09:48 | chris | its in the I18N/L10N tab magnusenger |
| 09:48 | magnusenger | and see that for language three are selected, and for opaclanguage one is selected |
| 09:49 | sorry: for language one is selected, for opaclanguage three are selected | |
| 09:49 | kf | chris: you cant choose your langauge when templates are installed but option for chosing language is not activated - thats my problem. and you cant expect people to change browser settings |
| 09:49 | magnusenger | when i deselct one in opaclanguage, the coeesponding checkbox in language is "automagically" ticked... |
| 09:50 | nicomo | kf: Ah, yes, that's another issue |
| 09:50 | chris | kf: yep if you arent going to offer them the option then you should disable browser detect |
| 09:50 | there needs to be a sys pref to disable browser detection | |
| 09:51 | nicomo | yes, let's vote that in right on the spot :-) |
| 09:51 | chris | but dont turn it off for everyone, since some people like it |
| 09:51 | nicomo | fair enough |
| 09:51 | kf | chris: I think English libraries are not aware of that - but the result is atm that people curious about koha see ugly opacs, happened to me often |
| 09:51 | * chris | is sick of things that people like getting taken out completely when it could just be a syspref |
| 09:54 | kf | chris: I like sysprefs :) but I think the default behaviour should make koha look good, even when your browser is not English ;) |
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| 09:55 | chris | yep, however i quite like how i can view most kohas in english without having to do anything |
| 09:56 | so like i say, a syspref for browser language detection is a good way to get both | |
| 09:56 | it could be off by default | |
| 09:56 | kf | chris++ |
| 09:57 | nicomo | ok with that, sounds reasonable enough |
| 09:57 | kf | perhaps we can add something to css preferences, that the file needs to be copied to other languages as well? |
| 09:57 | or make it work without copying them? | |
| 09:57 | nicomo | kf, by the way, have you had time to give some thought to the ergonomic of smart-rules.pl? |
| 09:58 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lation_parameters | |
| 09:59 | chris | kf: for 3.4 we are not copying css/images .. only js (since js needs to be translated) |
| 10:01 | kf | nicomo: sorry - I know I promised to think about it :( I m a bit torn, its nice to see what rules apply to a combination of borrower and item type in one line, but its getting hard to add those rules, so perhaps it would be better to divide them to several pages? Have you looked at LEK? You can define rules there, but I dont like that so much. |
| 10:01 | nicomo | Haven't looked that way yet |
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| 10:02 | CGI483 | how to install koha 2.2.9 with mysql 5 |
| 10:02 | pls help me to solve this | |
| 10:03 | chris | why do you want to install 2.2.9 ? |
| 10:03 | kf | chris: images can be translated to - we use a German version of bridge icon set in our Horizon opacs |
| 10:03 | CGI483 | koha 2.2.9 with mysql 5 |
| 10:03 | chris | yes but why CGI483 |
| 10:03 | 2.2.9 is very very old and out of date | |
| 10:04 | CGI483 | i was using koha 2.2.5 with mysql 4 and it was working fine |
| 10:04 | but now i upgraded the server and now i have mysql 5 | |
| 10:04 | chris | kf: might need to split the images then, translatable ones and non-translatable ones |
| 10:05 | CGI483 | whether my kohas 2.2.5 mysql Data base will suite for koha 3 version |
| 10:05 | kf | chris: perhaps make it just possible to add images when needed and fallback to default (en) when there are no translated images |
| 10:05 | chris | kf: yep that would work |
| 10:06 | CGI483 | is there any installtion document for koha 3 |
| 10:06 | on fedor 6 | |
| 10:06 | on fedora 6 | |
| 10:06 | * chris | has to go to bed |
| 10:06 | chris | good night all |
| 10:06 | CGI483 | thank u |
| 10:06 | paul_p | bye chris. g'night |
| 10:07 | CGI483 | chris bye good night |
| 10:07 | kf | good night chris! |
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| 10:19 | sunny | hello there? |
| 10:21 | need support here...does KOHA support to export/import Marc file ? for example a marc file of .001 extension consist info about 100 titles ....can i import on koha...can i export it as marc file? | |
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| 10:29 | amadan | Is there a way to verify if zebra is running |
| 10:29 | in fedora | |
| 10:32 | hdl | yaz-client unix:/path/to/bibliosocket |
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| 10:37 | amadan | hdl, I uploaded some data into koha but I'm unable to search for them since the search engine does not return anything. Could you be of help? |
| 10:43 | hdl | I could be. |
| 10:44 | But there are so many reasons why it fails, that it might be hard. | |
| 10:44 | and long | |
| 10:49 | amadan: are you used to command line ? | |
| 10:50 | amadan | sure |
| 10:52 | hdl please chk your private messages | |
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| 12:39 | jdavidb | good morning, #koha! |
| 12:43 | Ropuch | Hi jdavidb |
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| 12:47 | Nate | Good Morning Everyone! |
| 12:48 | jwagner | Good morning Nate |
| 12:49 | Nate | morning jwagner |
| 12:49 | kf | good morning jdavidb, jwagner and Nate |
| 12:49 | Nate | morning! |
| 12:50 | jwagner | Hi kf |
| 12:52 | nicomo | morning Nate, morning North America |
| 12:52 | Nate | hiya nicomo |
| 12:55 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
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| 13:08 | Nate | hi chris_n! |
| 13:09 | hdl | hi all |
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| 13:29 | Nate | Hi hdl, gmcharlt |
| 13:32 | paul_p | hello Nate & chris_n & jwagner & jdavidb & America (north & south, even if I don't think there are south-A here) |
| 13:32 | Nate | Hi paul_p |
| 13:34 | chris_n | howdy paul_p, gmcharlt, hdl, Nate, et al |
| 13:34 | * paul_p | playing with XSLT for intranet today... |
| 13:34 | chris_n | gmcharlt: I have koha HEAD installed and mostly running on win32 under strawberry |
| 13:35 | I'm working on getting zebra jump-started | |
| 13:36 | * paul_p | really against Koha on win, as our customer will request us to install Koha on windows (you'll say that I can answer, yes, it's 10x the price for Debian. But in fact I don't care. I can't ask any of our employee to do that... he would dismiss...) |
| 13:37 | paul_p | ( nb : ;-) ) |
| 13:37 | gmcharlt | hdl: ping |
| 13:37 | paul_p: we get the occassional person asking if EG can be installed on Win2k | |
| 13:37 | sure, if you're small and are running a VM | |
| 13:38 | paul_p | that's what we answer sometimes too ;-) |
| 13:38 | hdl | gmcharlt: pong |
| 13:38 | gmcharlt | but somehow that question is *always* asked with implication of "where can I download setup.exe for the EG (or Koha) server" |
| 13:39 | hdl: looking for "coderun" branch - not seeing it on git.biblibre.cm | |
| 13:39 | what's the actual one for new_acq? | |
| 13:39 | hdl | gmcharlt: git.biblibre.com:koha/master |
| 13:40 | it contains new_acq and our devs. | |
| 13:40 | chris_n | gmcharlt, hdl: win32 install is not for the faint-of-heart atm and will finally only be as "easy" as any *nix install unless someone else takes up the task of creating and maintaining an msi type installer |
| 13:40 | paul_p | s/our devs/other devs sponsored by Marseille universities/ |
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| 13:40 | gmcharlt | chris_n: are there any cheap or libre tools for creating MSIs? |
| 13:41 | paul_p | chris_n: yes and no. even 'apt-get install koha' will sound complex to a real small library... |
| 13:41 | chris_n | but the availability of it will at least proved the opportunity for koha to expand its base in some environs where M$ is the order of the day |
| 13:41 | gmcharlt: yes and even a perl module for assisting in the creation of msi's | |
| 13:41 | * gmcharlt | suspects that most vendors and consultants woudl happily charge a bunch of small libraries $50 each to run apt-get install koha for them ;) |
| 13:42 | paul_p | $50 ? you're kidding ! noless than $500 :D |
| 13:42 | chris_n | heh |
| 13:42 | just think of what they'd pay if they called M$$$$$$$ | |
| 13:42 | gmcharlt | the other $450 pays for vetting the customer's server, installing security patches, etc., of course :P |
| 13:43 | paul_p | koha is a high level software. being cheap (money) means it's cheap (features) |
| 13:44 | chris_n | gmcharlt: http://search.cpan.org/~csjewe[…]l-Dist-WiX-1.000/ |
| 13:44 | also, I think M$'s msi stuff is available at no charge | |
| 13:47 | paul_p: good observation.... people often equate a low price with low quality | |
| 13:50 | gmcharlt | hdl: I'm going to close the gap in the DBrev numbers when I merge if that's OK with you |
| 13:54 | hdl | ok for me. |
| 13:54 | It was a mere convienience for us not to have to change the DBrev all the time. | |
| 14:17 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "DB update errors" (12 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/52 |
| 14:17 | gmcharlt | hdl: ^^ |
| 14:25 | hdl: the merge of updatedatabase.pl is bad | |
| 14:26 | it will not do to have things like the old 3.01.00.038 (branchzip, etc.) be moved to a new DB rev | |
| 14:41 | kf | paul_p: will xslt for intranet be available in 3.2? plz say yes :) |
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| 14:42 | paul_p | kf : yes :) |
| 14:42 | kf | paul_p: yay!! |
| 14:43 | paul_p | but i'll write only the unimarc xslt (from the opac unimarc one) |
| 14:43 | it's easy, but a lot of changes must be done in html tags | |
| 14:43 | kf | paul_p: I think this is a projekt I probably could work on - can u use opac xslt as a start? and will it be possible to activate it for marc21? |
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| 14:44 | hdl | gmcharlt: mmm. |
| 14:46 | paul_p | kf: I copied the unimarc from opac to staff, and changes it. mainly, it's some s/opac-search/\/catalogue\/search/ and <span> to <li> or <strong> |
| 14:47 | kf | paul_p: thats great news, I think is doable |
| 14:48 | hdl | I can make it right For tomorrow |
| 14:48 | tonight would be better | |
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| 14:54 | jwagner | gmcharlt, still online? |
| 14:54 | gmcharlt | hdl: ok |
| 14:54 | jwagner: yes | |
| 14:55 | jwagner | We talked last week about a patch you did to improve record matching -- you were going to let me know when/where that could be found. Did you have a chance to look it up? |
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| 15:00 | Melanie | I am using the report for circulation statistics. I select the type as "checkouts." There is also the option to select renewals. Does checkouts only count "checkouts" or is it also counting renewals? (just clarifying our stats.) |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea | bleh I wish sharon were here she would know that. |
| 15:01 | owen | checkouts and renewals are counted separately in the statistics table, so it's very possible checkouts only counts checkouts |
| 15:02 | Melanie | ok. Thanks. |
| 15:05 | We also have a report to count users who were active in a month: SELECT YEAR(issuedate), MONTH(issuedate), categorycode, COUNT(DISTINCT borrowernumber) FROM old_issues LEFT JOIN borrowers USING (borrowernumber) GROUP BY YEAR(issuedate), MONTH(issuedate), categorycode ***is this just counting "unique" borrowers? i.e. just counting them only once for the month if they checked out? | |
| 15:11 | owen | Should be, given the "DISTINCT borrowernumber" |
| 15:12 | Melanie | k.... Thanks. I figured but being new to reading all this, don't want to assume much! |
| 15:23 | * owen | hadn't tried that report before, looks useful |
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| 15:26 | rhcl | I assume you all have read/are aware of the article in American Libraries about Queens Borough Public Library filing suit against Sirsi for "fraudulent bait-and switch" |
| 15:27 | * owen | has read about the suit, if not that particular article |
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| 15:32 | reiko | hello |
| 15:34 | i'm having error 114 when searching for authorities with attr="1=Any", any ideas ? | |
| 15:34 | kf | paul_p: where can I test xslt in intranet, is it already in head? |
| 15:34 | paul_p | nope, i'm working on it |
| 15:35 | kf | paul_p: oh, ok. perhaps you can tell me when its publicly available, so that I can try for MARC21 |
| 15:35 | owen | paul_p++ # for xslt in intranet! |
| 15:36 | kf | yes, paul_p++ ! |
| 15:36 | * paul_p | slow on keyboard those days, because a lizard has small fingers ( private joke for owen :D ) |
| 15:38 | wizzyrea | owen: can you use jquery to hide elements in the OPAC results? (asking you before I go whole hog trying to figure it out) |
| 15:38 | rhcl I would post a link, I have heard of this suit but not read that particular article | |
| 15:39 | owen | wizzyrea: The main obstacle to that is that many things do not have unique ids or spans |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | Humbug. |
| 15:39 | owen | Don't take my word for it, that's just my concern. |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | no no I feel your concern |
| 15:40 | that would definitely make the job harder :( | |
| 15:41 | (we wanted to get rid of the call number row, among other things, since it shows the LC call number which has no real relevance to our patrons) | |
| 15:41 | (since all of our stuff has local call numbers) | |
| 15:41 | owen | How is that not a bug? |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | well, configurability of the results display is a bug in general, imo |
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| 15:42 | wizzyrea | I oughta be able to have in the back interface a settings page where I check boxes to say which elements I want to show |
| 15:42 | check title, check author, check location, check pubdate, etc | |
| 15:43 | uncheck lc call number | |
| 15:43 | i know. big job, no one will pay for it. | |
| 15:43 | blah blah | |
| 15:45 | chris_n | gmcharlt, hdl, anyone else: any problems with XML::Simple not parsing xml back into a hash consistently? |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | chris_n: in some cases, XML::Simple can be a little too simple |
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| 15:48 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "XML::Simple Example 1" (71 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/53 |
| 15:49 | "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "XML::Simple Example 2" (40 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/54 | |
| 15:49 | sekjal | wizzyrea: I'd like a similar interface for choosing which columns to display in both OPAC and staff client tables |
| 15:49 | chris_n | here ^^ are two examples showing what I think is a problem |
| 15:49 | opps | |
| 15:49 | above that is | |
| 15:50 | sekjal | wizzyrea: and for choosing which order to show the OPAC tabs in (i.e. Holdings, Description, Subscriptions, etc.) |
| 15:50 | but yes, the trick is getting it prioritized on someone's list | |
| 15:52 | chris_n | gmcharlt: do you have a recommendation on a more reliable approach to xml? |
| 15:52 | * chris_n | imagines XML::Difficult and XML::Hard and maybe XML::Impossible :-) |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt | chris_n: (1) check the list of parameters for XML::Simple - doing things like using ForceArray can help keep things consistent |
| 15:56 | chris_n: (2) XML::Sax or XML::Twig and walking through parse tree directly | |
| 15:56 | chris_n | tnx gmcharlt |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | sekjal: yea. Well, maybe the first thing to work on is getting the results with unique enough spans/id's so that we can toggle them with jquery |
| 15:57 | since that's the "easiest" way to handle the problem at the moment | |
| 15:58 | maybe owen would disagree | |
| 15:58 | sekjal | wizzyrea: yes; everything should have a unique handle so we can manipulate it with precision |
| 16:00 | * wizzyrea | loves the word "precision" |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 16:05 | reiko | i'm having error 114 when searching for authorities with attr="1=Any", any ideas ? |
| 16:09 | kf | going home now - bye #koha |
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| 16:12 | hdl | reiko: attr 1=Any |
| 16:13 | Not attr="1=Any" | |
| 16:14 | reiko | but |
| 16:14 | my query says @attr "1=Any" | |
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| 16:16 | reiko | hdl do you know why that happens? |
| 16:17 | paul_p | jwagner_meeting: ping me when you're back pls |
| 16:18 | hdl | reiko: I donot know what your code is coming from |
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| 16:34 | jwagner | paul_p, I'm back |
| 16:35 | paul_p | hi jane |
| 16:35 | Nate | Heya everyone can someone tell me what version of the GNU Koha falls under? Is it v3? |
| 16:35 | gmcharlt | Nate: GPL v2 or later |
| 16:36 | Nate | thanks gmcharlt! |
| 16:36 | paul_p | i thought I remembered a patch (from you ?) displaying items in a more visible way (with "my branch items" highlighted). Investigating I just find a patch for 3070 (oct, 9th). |
| 16:36 | did I remember wrong ? | |
| 16:37 | my goal is to have items on my branch displayed 1st, or highlighted, it's important for consortiums & serials, where you can have 200+ items | |
| 16:37 | (on OPAC, for patrons identified) | |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | ooh, I like that paul_p |
| 16:37 | if you are going to do that, could you make the spans/ID's more unique too? | |
| 16:38 | paul_p | wizzyrea: bad news => i'm really a poor css/html/xhtml man |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | humbug. :) |
| 16:39 | * wizzyrea | toddles off to see about procuring funding for that project |
| 16:39 | jwagner | paul_p, see Bug 3702 -- I wrote a patch for staff mode to force display of library in alphabetical order by branch description. owen was going to write an equivalent patch for OPAC. |
| 16:39 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3702 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagnerptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Change sort order of items in staff title display |
| 16:39 | paul_p | yes, this one I applied it on my branch. But i was looking for something else. |
| 16:40 | but maybe it was a dream I thought became true (yes we can) | |
| 16:40 | owen | jwagner: it sounds like paul_p's approach is going to be superior |
| 16:40 | jwagner | I can't account for your dreams :-) but 3702 is the only one I've done on item/library display. |
| 16:41 | owen, agreed on paul_p's approach. But it will take a better programmer than I am to do it :-( | |
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| 17:14 | paul_p | all = how do you say a serial subscription is still "alive" (frenchism) ie, you still recieve issues for it ? |
| 17:14 | owen ? jwagner ? | |
| 17:14 | owen | Hmmm... good question... |
| 17:15 | * owen | honestly doesn't know the answer! |
| 17:15 | sekjal | paul_p: "alive" is pretty good. Perhaps also "active", or "current"? |
| 17:15 | owen | "Current" would have been my guess |
| 17:15 | I don't think "alive" is right | |
| 17:16 | sekjal | owen: it certainly isn't a standard way of saying it in English, but it evokes the right meaning (to me, at least) |
| 17:17 | paul_p | alive is a frenchism, I was sure. I'll say current (i'm working on serials tab display on opac) |
| 17:17 | owen | I'd vote for either "active" or "current," but I've never actually worked with another ILS that did serials management |
| 17:20 | paul_p | owen: & sekjal, what do you think of that : http://imagebin.ca/view/yQCvGHDv.html |
| 17:20 | yikes. | |
| 17:20 | not what I wanted. | |
| 17:20 | old image | |
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| 17:20 | pianohacker | Good morning, #koha |
| 17:20 | owen: around? | |
| 17:20 | owen | Yes |
| 17:21 | pianohacker | owen: just saw the new checkouts list on the circulation screen |
| 17:21 | it's more consistent with moremember.pl, but it's a bit... crammed | |
| 17:21 | owen | Yup, saw your comment about it. I've brought the boxing gloves ;) |
| 17:21 | pianohacker | hehe |
| 17:22 | owen | But seriously, I agree about the crammed. |
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| 17:22 | paul_p | owen & sekjal: what do you think of that : http://imagebin.ca/view/gfG6ToX.html |
| 17:22 | pianohacker | Though, if possible, we should find some things we can drop from both |
| 17:22 | paul_p | (MISSING and OPAC NOTE being what is in the DB (the list of missing issues and the subscriptionhistory opac note field) |
| 17:23 | * paul_p | removing () on "There are X subscription(s) associated...", they are useless |
| 17:23 | owen | paul_p: I think your notation for subscription dates/status is logical |
| 17:24 | pianohacker: Is question prompted by work on ajax_circ? Just curious. | |
| 17:24 | sekjal | paul_p: I agree with owen on that, though displaying both "now" and "current" is slightly redundant |
| 17:24 | pianohacker | owen: why yes :) |
| 17:25 | paul_p | owen: I remove one of now (current) ? which one ? |
| 17:26 | owen | I actually don't think it's redundant |
| 17:26 | paul_p | that was my feeling too. so I keep both. |
| 17:27 | thanks, guys. time to leave for me (6:30PM in France) | |
| 17:28 | pianohacker | bye, paul_p |
| 17:28 | sekjal | goodnight, paul_p |
| 17:31 | * pianohacker | is not a circ worker, but the charge and price columns in particular seem not particularly useful; could we drop them from both? |
| 17:32 | owen | pianohacker: Firing up my VM, hang on |
| 17:33 | pianohacker | How smoothly is Linux/Koha on VM working for you? I have a library with only windows machines that needs Koha, and the 2.2 installer is unpleasant |
| 17:34 | owen | I can't really comment because I've only used it for minor testing so far |
| 17:35 | Here's what I know about the charge/price issue: | |
| 17:35 | Circ desk people want the price to be visible because people want to know the replacement cost of books they've lost | |
| 17:36 | And since no one wants to have to click to get to anything, there it is. | |
| 17:36 | My library doesn't do overdue fines, but I'm assuming that's what the "charge" column does: shows you the oustanding fine for a particular item? | |
| 17:37 | I would think that's a high priority bit of info too | |
| 17:37 | If I could do anything I'd move the renew/check in functionality out of that table somehow | |
| 17:37 | But I know it was added because folks wanted it at their fingertips | |
| 17:38 | That's the problem, everyone wants to add stuff to keep it up front and accessible. | |
| 17:42 | pianohacker | right |
| 17:42 | after canvassing a sample of circ clerks, you could find out that every element in that table is crucial (plus some stuff that is currently missing) | |
| 17:42 | owen | One idea I had (no idea how this would be implemented) would be to add a separate tab for checkin/renewal, just like there's another tab for holds |
| 17:43 | pianohacker | That would help some |
| 17:43 | Make the basic checkouts tab into simply an informational table | |
| 17:44 | * pianohacker | tries to ignore large flashing "INTERFACE CREEP" light in his head |
| 17:44 | pianohacker | would the same interface work on moremember.pl, do you think? |
| 17:44 | * owen | hates moremember.pl |
| 17:45 | owen | Actually what I hate is the fuzzy distinction between the two pages |
| 17:45 | sekjal | or we just make the large and tedious commentment to make both the OPAC and staff client interface pages fully user configurable |
| 17:45 | owen | I hate that part of what moremember.pl does is duplicate what circulation.pl does, in terms of displaying information |
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| 17:46 | sekjal | s/commentment/commitment/ |
| 17:46 | * sekjal | has problems with words |
| 17:46 | owen | sekjal: I think that pretty much guarantees that libraries will create the most cumbersom, information-heavy display possible |
| 17:47 | sekjal | owen: true, but it'd be their choice |
| 17:49 | owen | sekjal: If we're talking about 3.4, then we definitely have to focus on working with what we've got. |
| 17:49 | The kind of change you're talking about would be pretty drastic. | |
| 17:50 | I'm not even sure what kind of framework would be robust enough to handle that variety of customizations | |
| 17:52 | chris | morning |
| 17:52 | i agree about 3.4 | |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | Maybe we could simply excise all of the circ functionality from moremember.pl |
| 17:52 | chris | but moving forward after that |
| 17:53 | i think the win, is to write a webservices layer | |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | Thus, the two pages would be like this: |
| 17:53 | circulation.pl: Checkouts / Renew / Holds | |
| 17:53 | moremember.pl: Checkouts / Holds | |
| 17:53 | chris: I've got a partial start on that with svc/checkouts/ for ajaxcirc; how much more did you have in mind? | |
| 17:54 | chris | continuing along that vein |
| 17:54 | something that hands back xml or json (you can ask for either) or yaml ... not sure yet | |
| 17:55 | then customising the display becomes possible | |
| 17:55 | so does non browser based circ too | |
| 17:55 | owen | That's all greek to me, so...how does that become possible? XSLT? |
| 17:56 | chris | owen: if the webservice hands back JSON, it can be totally rendered by js |
| 17:56 | sekjal | gtg: meeting to help convince another local library to migrate to Koha |
| 17:57 | chris | the ultimate goal is to seperate the display logic, from the functional logic |
| 17:57 | owen | sekjal: Be sure to bring your lead "convincin'" pipe |
| 17:57 | brendan | morning #koha |
| 17:57 | pianohacker | Yes, it can; I'm actually thinking of having the checkouts webservice send back html after a successful checkout (a rendering of the new table row), however |
| 17:57 | duplicating rendering logic in js is ugly and slow, with our current tools | |
| 17:58 | chris | pianohacker: itd be nice if you could make that an option |
| 17:58 | html=1 | |
| 17:58 | pianohacker | chris: that's what I was thinking |
| 17:59 | 'twould probably be put into C4::Service | |
| 17:59 | chris | im thinking down the line here, when you have an iphone circ ap etc |
| 17:59 | itd be nice to have a webservices layer, that is display agnostic, so the client app can control that | |
| 18:06 | owen | pianohacker: I think my inclination is to remove the checkouts/fines/holds table from moremember.pl completely. Why duplicate it at all? |
| 18:07 | I guess the only question is: does moremember.pl need to display that information (and more) because circulation.pl needs to be made leaner | |
| 18:07 | pianohacker | owen: i was thinking just an informational display on moremember.pl, but completely removing it would also work |
| 18:08 | owen | Maybe moremember.pl should only display information about the patron himself |
| 18:09 | pianohacker | Perhaps have a link to circulation.pl with the text "3 Checkouts, 2 holds?" in the main area? |
| 18:10 | getting very summarized, but I think it'd be useful for circ staff to have some idea of whether the patron has anything checked out | |
| 18:11 | but have to go for circulation.pl for any detail | |
| 18:12 | owen | Yeah, I like that idea |
| 18:12 | pianohacker | I'll implement all this as part of fixing ajaxcirc, then |
| 18:13 | jwagner | owen, pianohacker, chris, on the patron display, we'd be interested in anything that speeds up loading the page. One of our siges allows a whole lot of checkouts, and if a patron has 70-80 things checked out, the page takes forever to load. |
| 18:13 | pianohacker | right |
| 18:13 | another argument in favor of cutting it | |
| 18:14 | jwagner: ajaxcirc will also greatly speed up checkouts for same patrons | |
| 18:16 | jwagner | That would be very nice. |
| 18:45 | I was away & just skimmed the discussion, sorry, but if while things are getting reworked, you can make moremember.pl and circulation.pl use the same rules for checkin, that would be great :-) See Bug 3514 | |
| 18:45 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3514 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions |
| 18:55 | owen | jwagner: What we propose is to eliminate the option of checking in or renewing from moremember.pl |
| 18:56 | What would remain is making sure checking in via circulation.pl follows all the rules checking in from returns.pl does | |
| 18:58 | jwagner | That would do the trick -- thanks. |
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| 19:36 | sekjal | well, that meeting went well. |
| 19:36 | looks like a prominent NY-area law school is looking to make the switch | |
| 19:39 | pianohacker | sekjal++ |
| 19:39 | * sekjal | didn't even have to bust out the lead "convincin'" pipe |
| 19:39 | pianohacker | can I borrow that pipe? |
| 19:40 | * pianohacker | thinks it would be useful in determining which feature requests he needs to get done at work |
| 19:40 | * sekjal | scans the pipe's barcode and passes it to pianohacker. |
| 19:40 | sekjal | due 12/11/09 |
| 19:41 | * pianohacker | attempts to check in locally, and is foiled by by bug 3514 |
| 19:41 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3514 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions |
| 19:41 | pianohacker | curse you, circ logic |
| 19:43 | chris | back |
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| 19:53 | jwagner | pianohacker, the problem is that you tried checking it in through the patron details page! Try it through the Checkout tab :-) |
| 19:53 | pianohacker | oh noes |
| 19:59 | sekjal | and time for another meeting... |
| 20:02 | owen | I gotta run. See y'all tomorrow. |
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| 20:03 | chris | ack meeting for me too |
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| 20:46 | chris | back |
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| 21:50 | CGI409 | I have a question regarding the circulation module of Koha. Is it possible to create reserve requests for building rooms? It would need to allow the request to be scheduled for certain dates and time lengths. |
| 21:50 | pianohacker | CGI409: Koha does not include that functionality at the moment (at least not directly) |
| 21:51 | it does allow holds to be placed on items at a future date | |
| 21:51 | CGI409 | meaning you can schedule the hold for a certain pick-up time? |
| 21:51 | pianohacker | so what you could do, is create a "record" for each room, an item for each length you think would be common |
| 21:51 | CGI409: just date, not time | |
| 21:52 | CGI409 | So it is possible to set a two hour check out period, correct? |
| 21:53 | But no calendar feature so the item can be checked out more than once on the same day | |
| 21:55 | Is there plans to construct this feature in the future? | |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | hmm. actually, come to think of it, hourly loans are missing two (a certain company developed them, and has not released it to the community) |
| 21:55 | I believe so, but I don't know details | |
| 21:55 | you might try asking on the mailing list | |
| 21:56 | CGI409 | do you know the shortest loan period available straight from the Koha download? |
| 21:59 | pianohacker | one day, as far as limits go |
| 22:00 | You can check something out, then go right back and check it in | |
| 22:00 | but it can only _limit_ checkouts with the granularity of a day | |
| 22:00 | CGI409 | ok |
| 22:01 | pianohacker | heading out for now, be back in an hour or so |
| 22:01 | CGI409: good luck; you may consider a dedicated meeting room package | |
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| 22:02 | CGI409 | is there anyone else available to answer questions? |
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| 22:05 | wizzyrea | always lots of people listening |
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| 22:06 | wizzyrea | blehg |
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| 22:06 | chris | heh |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | chris! Hi! |
| 22:14 | I feel like I've been in a whirlwind the last two days | |
| 22:14 | chris | internets asploding? |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | good lord yes! |
| 22:15 | chris | thats no fun |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | between power outages, multiplexer failures at our ISP, bad UPS units, and human error it's definitely been murphy's heaven. |
| 22:15 | brendan | hey wizzyrea |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | yo brendan |
| 22:15 | brendan | @wunder santa barbara, ca |
| 22:15 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 26.0�C (2:14 PM PST on November 10, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:16 | brendan | wow hot today |
| 22:38 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 22:38 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 16.0�C (5:19 PM EST on November 10, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect from 1 am EST Wednesday through Thursday evening... |
| 22:38 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence, ks |
| 22:38 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 16.4�C (4:37 PM CST on November 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1026.6 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:39 | chris_n | hmmm... remnants of Ida coming through |
| 22:47 | Nate | goodnight #koha! |
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| 23:44 | chris_n2 | evening #koha |
| 23:44 | brendan | evening chris_n2 |
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