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| 00:00 | schuster | I know Washington school district put some stuff out there but I don't think it was pulled in. Guess I'll see what Galen remembers and we'll go from there. |
| 00:00 | chris | yep, its not in git |
| 00:00 | it would need to be reformated and resubmitted | |
| 00:00 | from those patches attached to that bug | |
| 00:02 | schuster | Once again phewie. |
| 00:02 | Thank for looking. | |
| 00:05 | http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A--K[…]41.html#a20484505 - this was the post found on the lists from Michael Hafen. | |
| 00:07 | http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-so[…]62.html#a20433138 - here's another listing for development - guess I can check with that library. | |
| 00:08 | chris | good idea |
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| 00:12 | chris | for 3.4 id like to get better visibility on patches waiting to be applied |
| 00:18 | pianohacker | chris++ |
| 00:18 | chris | even if its just a directory of them |
| 00:19 | we'll figure something out | |
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| 00:46 | brendan | cya in a while #koha |
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| 02:37 | chris_n2 | 'evening |
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| 03:21 | Amit | hi brendan, chris, richard |
| 03:21 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:21 | brendan | hi amit |
| 03:21 | richard | amit, hi |
| 03:21 | and brendan | |
| 03:21 | and chris_n2 | |
| 03:23 | chris_n2 | hi Amit, brendan, richard |
| 03:23 | Amit | hi chris_n2 |
| 03:42 | pianohacker | @later tell owen I've removed the reference to collapsed.gif in the sysprefs editor, and replaced expanded.gif with more.gif for the time being |
| 03:42 | munin | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:42 | pianohacker | good night, #koha |
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| 04:49 | Amit | @wunder bangalore |
| 04:49 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 21.0�C (8:30 AM IST on November 05, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. |
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| 05:25 | brendan | goodnight #koha |
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| 06:52 | ftherese | morning! |
| 06:59 | when I try to add a marc record from the reservoir to the catalog, it tells me some really funny things about what needs to be filled out... like tag 036$b, which corresponds to the movement # of a musical composition... why does that have to be filled in? | |
| 07:00 | Amit | hi ftherese |
| 07:02 | ftherese | hello... |
| 07:02 | any ideas why it is requireing the musical movement number? | |
| 07:04 | and it requires the type of scale too?? but these are not maps!! | |
| 07:05 | hmmmm... | |
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| 07:29 | ftherese | I still don't understand why I can't import my records from the reservoir into the catalog!! |
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| 07:57 | |Lupin| | hello |
| 07:57 | ftherese | hello :) |
| 07:57 | I am still having trouble importing my records past the reservoir | |
| 07:58 | says I should have some fields filled in like musical composition # and other random stuff like map scale type etc. | |
| 07:59 | |Lupin| | ftherese: I'm afraid I can't help right now |
| 07:59 | ftherese | that's cool |
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| 08:23 | |Lupin| | has anyone experience with the save method of the CGI module, please ? |
| 08:24 | I called it to save a query object, expecting it to save everything including cookies, but apparently it did not.. | |
| 08:24 | anyone know s how to achieve this ? | |
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| 08:43 | jan | anyone know why a checkin can lead to an empty 'current location'? We have one branch (one library) and i have set it in the staff client .. |
| 08:53 | (i'm sorry it's not about the topic) | |
| 08:54 | |Lupin| | jan: don't know, sorry |
| 09:01 | jan | the error: [error] [client 130.145.169.252] [Thu Nov 5 09:59:04 2009] renewscript.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'tobranch' cannot be null at /home/koha/site/lib/C4/Items.pm line 530, <DATA> line 253., referer: http://olympia:8080/cgi-bin/ko[…]borrowernumber=53 |
| 09:02 | after that some uninitialized value errors | |
| 09:58 | |Lupin| | wow... |
| 09:58 | does not look very normal ifyou didn't do trichy things | |
| 10:03 | jan | the only tricky things i do is is using auth_with_ldap .... really, we want to be as standard as possible |
| 10:04 | and our mysql server is an external one .... | |
| 10:05 | external as in "no localhost" | |
| 10:07 | and i tried also a mysql server on localhost: no difference | |
| 10:10 | kohaolympia:~/source$ git describe |
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| 10:10 | v3.00.04_fixed | |
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| 10:43 | |Lupin| | jan: I don't knon what to say, I'm sorry |
| 10:43 | jan | thanks anyway |
| 10:44 | |Lupin| | Colin: do you know the CGI module a bit ? |
| 10:44 | Colin: hi, btw :) | |
| 10:44 | Colin | hi a bit not too deeply |
| 10:48 | |Lupin| | Colin: I'm dumping the $query object to disk before and after the call to get_template_and_user |
| 10:49 | Colin: in the dump before the call the CGISESSIONID cookie does not appear, whereas it appears in he dump done after the call. | |
| 10:49 | Colin: I'm wondering why this is so... | |
| 10:54 | Colin | Not sure why. get_template_and_user reads it early on (in checkauth) |
| 10:58 | CGI::Session is a sepate object Might be worth checking the CGI::Session perldoc | |
| 10:58 | |Lupin| | Colin: yeah I read the code... |
| 10:59 | Colin: actually, my concern is that I would like to be able to re-play a script from the command-line to debug it, any idea how I could do that ? | |
| 11:00 | Colin: actually I thought it was enough to store the input object on disk and to then retrieve it, but apparently, it's not enough... | |
| 11:03 | Colin | I think I've seen Galen mention a way but I've not done it myself |
| 11:06 | |Lupin| | Colin: was that on IRC ? |
| 11:06 | Colin | I think in the CGI the session cookie is CGISESSID |
| 11:07 | Yws I think it was on IRC | |
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| 11:07 | |Lupin| | Colin: yeah I know CGISESSID, but knowing that is I think not enough... |
| 11:07 | Colin | Yws/Yes |
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| 11:11 | Colin | If you put everything in a QUERY_STRING=field=value textfile and feed that as stdin to the script it fails on the session stuff? |
| 11:16 | gmcharlt | Colin, |Lupin| : you have to set all of the same environment variables that the Apache CGI runner does |
| 11:16 | a common trick is to print the contents of %ENV to a file | |
| 11:17 | munge into a script to set the environment variables | |
| 11:17 | then include that as part of running the CGI script from the command-line | |
| 11:17 | in particular, CGI::Session wants to be able to use things like SERVER_NAME | |
| 11:18 | Colin | Galen ex machina - thanks |
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| 11:18 | chris_n2_ | g'morning #koha |
| 11:19 | Colin | morning |
| 11:19 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: and you have to store stdin in a file from within the script to fetch all headers and then run the script from the command line with its stdin redirected to that file ? |
| 11:19 | hi chris_n2_ | |
| 11:20 | it's too bad there is no helper script to achieve this... | |
| 11:20 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: yes, if the script is accepting POSTed content |
| 11:21 | if it's just looking at QUERY_STRING, then you don't need to bother passing stuff to it via STDIN, just set the environment variables | |
| 11:21 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: my concern is the cookies... and yes the one I'd like to debug is virtualshelves/addbybiblionumber.pl which for some reason does not display the drop-down menu of existing shelves... |
| 11:23 | gmcharlt: I'm talking about HEAD. On our system this drop-down is not displayed although the uer is owner of the shelf and superlibrarian... | |
| 11:37 | hdl | jan: you might have to look at your CircControl System preference and see if it is PuickupLibrary |
| 11:37 | jan: PickupLibrary | |
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| 11:37 | chris_n2_ | hdl:? |
| 11:38 | hdl | chris_n2_? |
| 11:38 | chris_n2_ | opps, I see |
| 11:38 | * chris_n2_ | goes off for more coffee :-) |
| 11:40 | jan | hdl, it's ItemHomeLibrary at the moment (the default) |
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| 11:41 | hdl | Do you have HomeOrHoldingBranch set ? |
| 11:41 | jan | let me check |
| 11:42 | it's set to HoldingBranch | |
| 11:47 | independantBranches is OFF | |
| 11:50 | hdl | Do your items all have Holdingbranch ? |
| 11:51 | Or do you only use homebranch ? | |
| 11:51 | jan | yes, field 952a if i'm correct |
| 11:51 | and 952b is the homebranch | |
| 11:51 | both set | |
| 11:52 | when a item is checkedin the 952b field is lost | |
| 11:55 | magnusenger | hm, i need to update a lot of items to correct two errors from the migration (change the value in 952$c and add 952$y). Is there a good way to do this? (Export records, update records, import updated records replacing old records (including items) with new ones.) |
| 11:56 | my plan was to stage the updated records, but it looks like this may not work for the items: "Right now, if a match is found, it completely replaces the existing record (keeping items intact, of course)." http://koha.org/documentation/[…]rd-matching-rules | |
| 11:59 | |Lupin| | see you later all |
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| 12:58 | Nate | morning |
| 13:00 | jwagner | Morning, Nate |
| 13:00 | Nate | hi jwagner! |
| 13:01 | ftherese | any ideas why koha requires certain fields before it will import? Fields such as 036$b 100$a 101$a 122$a 123$a 127$a 615$9 700$a 710$a 801(any) ? |
| 13:03 | some of them seem really odd, and are not even provied with a z39 search | |
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| 13:13 | hdl | Hi Nate |
| 13:13 | Nate | hey hdl |
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| 13:43 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 13:44 | * owen | loves getting messages from munin |
| 13:45 | * jdavidb | hands munin a cookie. |
| 13:46 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 13:46 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:58 AM, July 10, 2009) |
| 13:46 | * chris_n | greets owen && jdavidb |
| 13:47 | jdavidb | Hi, chris_n and owen! |
| 13:47 | chris_n | someone said "cookie" |
| 13:47 | * jdavidb | offers one to chris_n, too. |
| 13:49 | jwagner | I want a cookie..... |
| 13:49 | jdavidb | I've a whole box full, sitting here on my desk... |
| 13:50 | jwagner | And I'm working from home and can't get to them :-( THE UNIVERSE IS NOT FAIR! |
| 13:50 | owen | And here I thought jwagner would be able to put jdavidb's statements to a fact-check |
| 13:50 | jdavidb | All's fair in love, war, and cookies (Something got lost in translation, somewhere.) |
| 13:50 | owen | I've got cookies too! Lots of them! |
| 13:51 | * chris_n | looks around for his quantum teleporter |
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| 13:51 | jwagner | Well, he SAYS he brought them in, but I was wondering if owen had followed through on the threat about six dozen cookies in exchange for bug hunting. |
| 13:51 | jdavidb | Someone else needs to come eat these; if they sit here, I will, and that's Not Good For Me. |
| 13:52 | jwagner | Feed some to David and Jeetika when they come in :-) |
| 13:52 | jdavidb | yeeeesssss.... |
| 13:52 | owen | chris_n: If you really had a quantum teleporter there would be companies crawling out of the woodwork with patent lawsuits. "We invented that. We just didn't, you know, make anything with it." |
| 13:54 | |Lupin| | hi again |
| 13:54 | chris_n | owen: sadly so |
| 13:54 | jwagner | A time machine would be worse in that regard, owen. |
| 13:55 | * chris_n | wonders if M$ would be at the front of the line or SCO... |
| 13:55 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: around ? |
| 13:56 | gmcharlt | hi |Lupin| |
| 13:56 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: I think I have found a bug in the virtualshelves code... |
| 13:57 | gmcharlt: hmm but maybe it's too early to tell you and I should first see who did change the affected code... | |
| 13:58 | gmcharlt: sorry to have disturbed you, I'll continue to investigate and report only when I have something precise enough | |
| 13:59 | gmcharlt | no problem |
| 14:02 | |Lupin| | actually |
| 14:02 | is someone here running HEAD ? | |
| 14:03 | owen | Yes |
| 14:03 | |Lupin| | owen: cool |
| 14:03 | owen: would you please accept to create a public list | |
| 14:03 | owen: and then go to a record and try to add it to that list | |
| 14:04 | owen: I'd like to know if the public list appears in the drop-down of existing shelves, please | |
| 14:04 | owen | Should I use the same user to add to the list as created it? |
| 14:05 | |Lupin| | owen: if it's a pblic one you have to I would say |
| 14:06 | owen | It does NOT appear in the list of existing shelves! |
| 14:06 | |Lupin| | owen: it's only for _open_ lists that the two users can be different I think |
| 14:06 | owen: yep ! | |
| 14:06 | owen: you have found a bug, congratulations :) | |
| 14:06 | owen | |Lupin|: It looks like it's only offering to let you add to private lists, not *any* list you've created. |
| 14:06 | You mean confirmed, not found ;) | |
| 14:07 | |Lupin| | owen: It would probably also offer to add to open lists, if you would have some |
| 14:07 | owen: confirmed, found... js small semantic difference | |
| 14:09 | owen | |Lupin|: This is obviously not a recent bug. Our production system, which hasn't been updated for several months, shows the same behavior. |
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| 14:14 | |Lupin| | owen: ah thanks, so I will stop to looking for recent changes in git log... |
| 14:15 | owen: the code in C4/VirtualsShelves.pm is really ugly... | |
| 14:16 | fixing will probably require several modifications at several places... | |
| 14:17 | owen | If you'd like to rewrite the whole thing, I've got a few things on my wish list... ;) |
| 14:21 | |Lupin| | owen: I would like but I won't... but I certainly agree that the whole thing would diserve to be rewritten |
| 14:22 | * owen | is busy rewriting some bad PHP code, replacing it with slightly less bad PHP code |
| 14:24 | jdavidb | "Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify, simplify!" --Henry David Thoreau |
| 14:27 | owen | jdavidb: What about frittering away life by trying to simplify, simplify PHP code? |
| 14:27 | jwagner | I think any kind of code qualifies as "detail" myself. |
| 14:28 | * jdavidb | writes a new Zen circ page: <html><body>Why would you want to circulate this item? </body></html> |
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| 14:31 | jdavidb | V 2.0: <html><body>What's the sound of an item circulating?</body></html> |
| 14:33 | |Lupin| | V3rc1: <html><body>What's the sound circulation?</body></html> |
| 14:34 | V3rc2: <html><body>What's the sound of circulation?</body></html> | |
| 14:34 | * jdavidb | clasps his hands together, and bows silently to |Lupin|. |
| 14:34 | jwagner | V4rc1: <html><body>What does circulation sound like?</body></html> |
| 14:38 | Ropuch | Looks like new microblogging engine: htmlitter |
| 14:38 | ;> | |
| 14:40 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: you probably know this one: what's the sound of one single hand clapping ? |
| 14:41 | jdavidb | That's an easy one. Turn on any convenient recorder. Clap with one hand. Play back the result. |
| 14:42 | jwagner | I thought it was a slap in the face? |
| 14:45 | owen | jwagner: You must be fun at yoga class! |
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| 14:46 | |Lupin| | owen: I really don't know how to fix this thing at the moment... |
| 14:48 | owen | Some things take some pondering |
| 14:49 | reiko | hi |
| 14:50 | |Lupin| | owen: yeah... I think I'll try to modify just the addbybiblionumber script to be sure the modifications do not break something that works |
| 14:57 | reiko | i'm using koha 3.0.0.1 and i was having ERROR 114 when searching authorities. Then i read that a fix was needed to change Heading-main to Heading in AuthoritiesMarc.pm and it worked. |
| 14:58 | but | |
| 14:58 | BIBLIOTECA | |
| 14:58 | Enter authority heading ($a): | |
| 14:58 | when i set a different authority heading | |
| 14:58 | it gives me another 114 | |
| 14:58 | some work, others dont | |
| 14:58 | * chris_n | occasionally finds it is helpful to be editing the right file if he expects to fix a bug :-P |
| 14:59 | reiko | well i think i was editing the right one, it started working for authors and author entities |
| 14:59 | owen | chris_n: I once spent I don't know how long trying to fix a bug with opac-detail.tmpl before I realized I was looking at it with XSLT ON. |
| 14:59 | chris_n | sorry reiko, my pondering was not aimed at you.. :-) |
| 14:59 | reiko | but for editors and descriptors it doesn't work |
| 14:59 | aaa | |
| 15:00 | chris_n | owen: lol |
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| 15:12 | brendan | morning all |
| 15:13 | owen | Hi brendan |
| 15:13 | brendan | goodmorning owen |
| 15:17 | |Lupin| | owen: I stupidly removed the last messages from bug-trackit-daemon without looking at them... did you already submit the bug ? |
| 15:17 | owen | Yes. Bug 3770 |
| 15:17 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3770 normal, P5, ---, Sebastien.Hinderersnv.jussieu.fr, NEW, 'Add to list' page does only offers the choice of adding to private lists |
| 15:18 | owen | Complete with my typo in the title, I see. "does only?" Blah. |
| 15:18 | |Lupin| | owen: ah open lists don't work either ? |
| 15:19 | owen | Actually I'm wrong: open lists do work properly. |
| 15:19 | I'm offered the option of adding to an open list. | |
| 15:19 | |Lupin| | owen: yeah .. |
| 15:20 | * owen | tends to overlook open lists because he doesn't like them :P |
| 15:20 | |Lupin| | owen: the code is really weird, there is a mincategory which assumes that one always want to search shelves in a category >= to something, but it does not seem very relevant... |
| 15:21 | owen: actually I'm sorry I told you to assing to me because it looks far too difficult with respect to my Koha skills and time.. | |
| 15:22 | owen | Easily changed. |
| 15:22 | |Lupin| | owen: oh thanks. |
| 15:23 | Perhaps if I suddenly have a briliant idea I can submit something, bu that would surprise me. | |
| 15:24 | owen: and actually there is a trick to over come the bug: make the list private, add the items, and make it public again... can you please see if that works for you ? | |
| 15:26 | owen | yes, it's a reasonable workaround, although convoluted if you just want to add to an existing public list |
| 15:26 | |Lupin| | owen: btw, there are two terms I think to designate the same thing: virtual shelves and lists. Is one obsolete or are the two used in Koha ? |
| 15:27 | owen: yeah... | |
| 15:27 | owen | virtual shelves is the out-of-favor term |
| 15:27 | The term "lists" was chosen because it was thought to be less confusing for general users. | |
| 15:29 | Other sites like Amazon and WorldCat use the "lists" term | |
| 15:34 | |Lupin| | owen: I see, thanks for the historical background |
| 15:37 | reiko | does anyone know why authority search works for 2 auth types and not for the rest ? |
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| 15:50 | reiko | when i search authorities using the atribute @attr "1=Any" it gives error 114, is it normal for MARC21? |
| 16:01 | |Lupin| | reiko: no, can't help, sorry |
| 16:09 | reiko | ok, |Lupin| thank you |
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| 16:34 | owen | Hi pianohacker |
| 16:34 | pianohacker | Hi, owen |
| 16:34 | How are you doing? | |
| 16:35 | nahuel | hi both ! |
| 16:35 | :) | |
| 16:35 | owen | Hi nahuel |
| 16:35 | nahuel | what's up ? |
| 16:35 | owen | I'm wrestling with some jquery for a non-Koha project at the moment |
| 16:35 | pianohacker | hi, nahuel |
| 16:35 | nahuel | hehe |
| 16:35 | chris_n | hi pianohacker |
| 16:35 | nahuel | hi jesse ! |
| 16:36 | pianohacker | hi chris_n |
| 16:36 | * pianohacker | is studying american history |
| 16:36 | chris_n | and nahuel |
| 16:36 | pianohacker | endless, endless fun |
| 16:36 | nahuel | :) |
| 16:37 | |Lupin| | hey jesse ! |
| 16:37 | hi nahuel | |
| 16:37 | pianohacker: american history... short topic no ? | |
| 16:38 | owen | |Lupin|: :P |
| 16:38 | nahuel | hi |Lupin| |
| 16:38 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: ahh, but they have a talent for dragging it out |
| 16:38 | owen | Yeah, even if the history is shorter, they'll just make you learn it in more detail. |
| 16:38 | pianohacker | yup |
| 16:38 | nahuel | |Lupin|, didn't had the courage to say it :p |
| 16:38 | owen | :) |
| 16:39 | gmcharlt | the main lesson I learned from American history class in high school is that time apparently stopped after the Civil War |
| 16:40 | * pianohacker | is also reading Lies My Teacher Told Me - scathing review of the accuracy of most us history textbooks |
| 16:40 | owen | subversive! Are you heckling your teacher with it? |
| 16:40 | pianohacker | owen: she actually suggested it :) |
| 16:41 | our text is better than most, from what I can tell | |
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| 16:42 | jwagner | I'm an historian by training, but by the time I got through grad school I was so sick of it that it was YEARS before I could read history for the fun of it again. Something about a classroom setting, I guess. It's much more fun to just read at random. |
| 16:42 | When I was working in Boston, I read my way through the history stacks of the Cambridge Public Library. Great fun! | |
| 16:42 | pianohacker | jwagner: wow, a grad school education in history? You are a brave, brave woman |
| 16:43 | |Lupin| | :) |
| 16:43 | owen | And she learned from it: She hasn't started any wars since then. |
| 16:43 | jwagner | The degree is in International Affairs, actually. I had dreams of the State Department then.... |
| 16:43 | owen, don't be too sure about that. What I learned was to cover your trail :-) | |
| 16:43 | pianohacker | owen: None that we know about |
| 16:44 | jwagner | But my favorite periods to study are U.S. Civil War and World War II. Hmmmmmm...... |
| 16:45 | * |Lupin| | is interested in WW II, too |
| 16:45 | |Lupin| | it's strange... kind of a fascination.. |
| 16:46 | that being said | |
| 16:46 | I'm sorry to say that but | |
| 16:46 | I think you are all _so_ lucky to be able to read just any book you want | |
| 16:47 | I think not being able to do so is perhaps my biggest frustratio | |
| 16:47 | * pianohacker | looks around awkwardly, shuffles feet |
| 16:47 | |Lupin| | hmm not sure this is good to say for the atmosphere of this channel but could'nt privent from doing so, sorry guys :) |
| 16:47 | jwagner | |Lupin|, my sympathy. I can guess that there are a limited number of titles available in Braille or Books On Tape. |
| 16:48 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: no but I've found a trick to live with that: all the books I'd like to read I offer to friends. Rather efficient technique... |
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| 16:49 | |Lupin| | jwagner: yeah... but compters tend to change that. There are many negociations with publishers so hat they provide their files to so-called trusted intermediaries, which in turn make them available to print-disalbed persons in a way that tries to be secured... |
| 16:49 | http://www.daisy.org | |
| 16:50 | jwagner | Do the Project Gutenberg books get fed into that? There are so MANY titles available there. |
| 16:50 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: and I'm betting that their DRM is, of course, totally foolproof and not at all problematic |
| 16:51 | |Lupin| | jwagner: I don't know but in a way it's not crucial: they are already accessible: you can just download them and read them with yor favourite browser |
| 16:51 | jwagner | I found I got sore shoulders and crowded luggage from trying to haul enough books along to last through a vacation, so I was going to buy one of the electronic book readers. Then I found that the Sony E-Reader software could be installed on any computer, and a netbook was only a couple of pounds heavier. So now my travel machine has upwards of 160 book titles, plus music, plus some videos, plus network access.. |
| 16:51 | |Lupin| | jwagner: also, these books are in the public domain. NOt saying they are not interesting, just saying that there are som many books under copyright which Guenberg doesn't cover |
| 16:52 | jwagner | |Lupin|, yes, I know that the current stuff isn't available yet. But I've found enough that is free to last through a couple of trips so far. I haven't yet ventured into buying current titles. |
| 16:53 | |Lupin| | jwagner: but in which format do you download the books ? |
| 16:53 | jwagner: ah you read books in the pub domain, ok | |
| 16:53 | pianohacker | I should actually checkout for now and focus on my much-maligned history text, see you all later :) |
| 16:53 | |Lupin| | there are also many sites that have books recorded inMP3 |
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| 16:54 | |Lupin| | hmm, hope it's not because of me he is running away... |
| 16:54 | jwagner | The Sony .lrf format -- see http://www.mobileread.com/foru[…]esc&sort=dateline -- they have several formats |
| 16:56 | |Lupin| | jwagner: I assume it's proprietary ? |
| 16:57 | jwagner | The reader software is, but it's free. See http://ebookstore.sony.com/google-ebooks/ -- you can download & run the software without buying any of the titles. |
| 16:58 | I don't know if it would work for you -- don't think it has accessibility features. But I really like it. I wasn't sure about trying to read electronic books, and I'd still rather hold the real thing. But you can't beat it for traveling. | |
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| 17:00 | |Lupin| | jwagner: yeah it's good that the soft is cost-free, but it's not the same as having an open-format for which other tools could be written. |
| 17:01 | jwagner | Right. |
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| 17:08 | * sekjal | is thinking about Koha 4.0 |
| 17:09 | reiko | does anyone know why authority search works for 2 auth types and not for the rest ? |
| 17:12 | |Lupin| | still not reiko, sorry |
| 17:12 | reiko: perhaps you'll get more feedback from the koha list ? | |
| 17:13 | reiko: I think the list has a broader audience than the chan | |
| 17:15 | * chris_n | goes off in search of food |
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| 17:18 | wizzyrea_mobile | Tap tap is this thing on? |
| 17:18 | |Lupin| | yep ! |
| 17:18 | sekjal | sure is, wizzyrea_mobile! |
| 17:18 | |Lupin| | hi liz |
| 17:19 | owen | Not too busy wrestling to stop by, wizzyrea_mobile? |
| 17:19 | brendan | hey wizzyrea |Lupin| sekjal |
| 17:19 | all others too :) | |
| 17:19 | sekjal | hi, brendan |
| 17:19 | jdavidb | Hi, wizzyrea_mobile! |
| 17:19 | wizzyrea_mobile | Hi peeps |
| 17:21 | I missed u all, so I got an app for my phone. Lol | |
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| 17:22 | owen | Looks like the app needs work :| |
| 17:22 | Dies whenever the phone goes to sleep? | |
| 17:23 | sekjal | says it stays connected |
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| 17:23 | sekjal | might be the network |
| 17:23 | brendan | @later tell Jo I love the addition to your OPAC http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.[…]q=maori+battalion looks great! |
| 17:23 | munin | brendan: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:24 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_mobile: re:the problem we talked about yesterday, i.e. the drop-down not being visible when adding to a list by bibnumber, actually it's a bug in KOha... Bug 3770 munin ? |
| 17:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3770 normal, P5, ---, Sebastien.Hinderersnv.jussieu.fr, NEW, 'Add to list' page does only offers the choice of adding to private lists |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea_mobile | Ahhhh! |
| 17:24 | I see! | |
| 17:24 | |Lupin| | munin: thanks, you'are so fast in replying ! |
| 17:24 | munin | |Lupin|: Error: "thanks," is not a valid command. |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea_mobile | He's a good friend |
| 17:25 | sekjal | oh, munin, you're such a character |
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| 17:25 | |Lupin| | that thanks may be added ! he could just say you are welcome or so ! |
| 17:26 | ok, time to leave | |
| 17:26 | have a good day / evening all, take care ! | |
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| 17:38 | * chris_n | thinks wizzyrea_mobile must be picket fencing |
| 17:44 | * jdavidb | pickets |
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| 17:46 | hugo | Good afternoon |
| 17:46 | Thanks to the help I got here earlier this week, I was able to get Koha installed and running for the first time. Thank you. | |
| 17:46 | chris | thats great news |
| 17:47 | hugo | it felt pretty good! |
| 17:47 | I said, "whoa... it worked!" :) | |
| 17:47 | chris | heh |
| 17:47 | hugo | Now to populate the DB. |
| 17:47 | chris | yup |
| 17:48 | hugo | Our little library has been using LibraryWorld - which seems like an extremely closed system... |
| 17:48 | chris | most of them are |
| 17:48 | hugo | I wonder if anyone has done this before? Or any pointers? A quick search on my part didn't find anything obvious. |
| 17:49 | chris | firing an email off to the main koha list would be my suggestion |
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| 17:49 | chris | does it give any export options? |
| 17:49 | hugo | It was their support fees and reluctance to help when we didn't upgrade right away that had us look at Koha in the first place. |
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| 17:49 | chris | hugo: sounds all too familiar |
| 17:49 | wow colloquoy for iphone sux | |
| 17:49 | hehe | |
| 17:49 | hugo | Yes - but simple. I do have a file that I exported earlier this summer. I've got it open in a text editor and am trying to make sense of it. |
| 17:50 | chris | if it is marc, then you can use bulkmarcimport.pl to import (you might want to use marcedit to fix the file up first) |
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| 17:51 | hugo | how would I tell? I'm a total neophyte with marc |
| 17:52 | I'm trying to see where something that would indicate the end of each record | |
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| 17:56 | chris | can you paste in a line of the file? |
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| 17:58 | hugo | oh - sure - cool. |
| 17:59 | I think this is one record - there are no line breaks | |
| 17:59 | 00651nama 2200193 4500001000200000005001800002008004100020010001300061020002400074040001000098082001300108245005700121260004200178300004000220440003200260700002800292730002000320852011700340120021120152520.0u800521s1946 nyu a eng h a46022589 a044806006X :c$7.98 dWaOLN__a398bARA04aThe Arabian nights /cillustrated by Earle Goodenow. aNew York,bGrosset & Dunlap,c[1946]. a327 p.bill. (part col.). ;c2 | |
| 17:59 | 0aIllustrated junior library.1 aGoodenow, Earle,d1913-0 aArabian nights.__aINbc20040512120503.0uef0g0h398iARAjkJlmnop34862000004567qrstu0v0w0xyz12345N6789 | |
| 17:59 | but there are some funky upside down "?"'s | |
| 17:59 | which didn't copy/paste right | |
| 17:59 | magnusenger | that sure looks like marc! ;-) |
| 18:00 | hugo | oh - cool. Well, that's good |
| 18:00 | chris | yep thats marc alright |
| 18:00 | magnusenger | if you are new to to the wonderful world of marc, having a look at something like this could perhaps be of interest: http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/ |
| 18:01 | hugo | thanks and yes - new |
| 18:02 | chris | http://people.oregonstate.edu/[…]it/html/index.php |
| 18:03 | this will be handy too, you will probably need to shift your item data, marcedit lets you do that easily | |
| 18:04 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]e:how_to:marcedit | |
| 18:14 | hugo | looks like some fun times :) |
| 18:14 | I'm trying the first import now. | |
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| 18:14 | hugo | I notice that the patrons file I exported from LibraryWorld looks to be quite a similar format (not CSV, for instance) but it looks like Koha wants the parton import file to be a CSV file... |
| 18:15 | brendan | hi hugo -- I recently did a migration for someone from LibraryWorld |
| 18:15 | hugo | Hey, well that's pretty cool. I got all of the 7963 records in. Heh. |
| 18:16 | Oh - you did? How did that go? | |
| 18:16 | brendan | I was given the MARCout - so I wasn't invovled in the exporting of items |
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| 18:16 | brendan | then I used MARCedit for a lot of the clean up |
| 18:16 | hugo | it looks like somehow I managed to do the export ok |
| 18:16 | I"ll have to give that a look then - | |
| 18:17 | I just got the records in, at very first glance they look OK. | |
| 18:17 | brendan | so if you have an trouble with that -- please feel free to ask -- or send a message to the list |
| 18:17 | CGI988 | hi everyone! who could help me with Koha version 3.0.1, please? |
| 18:17 | hugo | thank you very much |
| 18:17 | brendan | hugo -- I'll be in and out all day - |
| 18:17 | hugo | brendan: I wonder if you can give me a quick hint about Patron import - did you do that too? |
| 18:18 | brendan | yes -- I used the sample csv from koha |
| 18:18 | CGI988 | I have to keep cataloguing books still using this old version. God know when our sysadmin will update it:( |
| 18:18 | brendan | and then copied the information into the fields from the csv export (LW) to the koha template |
| 18:18 | you can find the csv template from Tools>Import Patrons | |
| 18:19 | section of koha | |
| 18:19 | CGI988 | please... |
| 18:19 | hugo | ok - thanks - I'll take a look later on - have to run to see a client now. Thank you very much for the tips. |
| 18:19 | goodbye everyone - and thanks again for all the help. | |
| 18:19 | CGI988 | anyone?:( |
| 18:19 | brendan | CGI988 what problems are you having? |
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| 18:21 | CGI988 | oh, thank you! When I do the cataloguing, and then search for the biblios I just added, it gives me two results of the same book - one says 1 item found, available, etc., the other says - no items found, but it gives the same normal view of the same book, you know what I mean? |
| 18:21 | brendan | no I'm not sure what you mean |
| 18:22 | maybe you imported the biblio into the catalog twice ? | |
| 18:22 | CGI988 | it didn't before, byt the way, but since last week or so \, somehow it started duplicate the records I'm adding |
| 18:22 | sekjal | CGI988: if you look at the URL, are the biblionumbers at the end sequential? |
| 18:22 | brendan | hmm... so it's duplicating the records. not sure there |
| 18:23 | ahhh good idea sekjal | |
| 18:23 | CGI988 | yes they are |
| 18:23 | but it didn't duplicate the records at first, and then somehow it started duplicating them... I didn't change anything in the preferences, you know | |
| 18:24 | sekjal | CGI988: okay, and is the item-less record first or second, numerically? |
| 18:24 | CGI988 | hmmm, wait a sec, I'll double check |
| 18:25 | wow, it's different every time, one book shows 1 item first, then no item, other books show - no item first | |
| 18:26 | sekjal | CGI988: huh. definitely not what I expected |
| 18:26 | brendan | do you have a link that we could look at for your OPAC |
| 18:27 | CGI988 | uh.. it's on local network only:( |
| 18:27 | brendan | ok |
| 18:27 | CGI988 | i can copy here the text it shows? |
| 18:28 | i mean paste here | |
| 18:28 | brendan | you could use --> http://paste.workbuffer.org/ |
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| 18:30 | pastebot | "CGI988" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "OPAC results" (12 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/41 |
| 18:30 | CGI988 | done |
| 18:31 | sekjal | CGI988: yeah, those look like very much the same MARC record, just in two different biblios. |
| 18:32 | CGI988: and the biblionumber for the itemless record is sometimes greater, and sometimes less than, the biblionumber for the record with item? | |
| 18:33 | * chris | goes to catch the bus |
| 18:34 | CGI988 | ok i'm confused - which one is the biblionumber - the record number you mean? |
| 18:34 | as it show in adding the record screen (MARC) record# ...? | |
| 18:35 | sekjal | CGI988: sorry, I didn't clarify. The biblionumber is record number for the title. It can be seen in the URL of the title's details page |
| 18:35 | CGI988 | oh i see, will check now |
| 18:36 | brendan | yeah I'm not finding a bug in bugs.koha.org |
| 18:36 | CGI988 | ok the one with the item is #148, the one with no item - #147 |
| 18:36 | but it varies from book to book | |
| 18:37 | ftherese | I was able to change the default Marc Grid as it is provided in Koha, but I still find it odd that 036$b 100$a 101$a 122$a 123$a 127$a 615$9 700$a 710$a and 801(any) are required by default |
| 18:37 | brendan | ok so that means that they are two different records. maybe somewhere in your workflow you are adding the biblio twice |
| 18:37 | CGI988 | how?? |
| 18:37 | brendan | how do you import the records into the database |
| 18:38 | are you using marcbulkimport or Stage Batch Records | |
| 18:38 | CGI988 | I add the record in MARC (copying it from z39.50), then click save, then it gives me add item screen where I specify the location of the book and click add item, but I did that before and all [previous 60 books were ok |
| 18:38 | sekjal | are you using Acquisitions? |
| 18:39 | CGI988 | no |
| 18:39 | brendan | when you are searching for the biblio -- are you using search -- or cataloging search |
| 18:39 | CGI988 | I just import MARC records from library of congress or some other libraries from my list |
| 18:40 | i use both and bothe give the same duplicated results | |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | ok, someone told me syntax for getting more than 15000 rows out of a report, but I have conveniently forgotten |
| 18:40 | something about limit? | |
| 18:42 | jwagner | wizzyrea, Michael Hafen just posted a bugfix for that yesterday. The code is in Guided.pm. |
| 18:43 | Question on library policy setup -- I'm creating a new library, and I see there is now a URL field. Is that meant for the library's OPAC URL? Or as a link to the library home page? | |
| 18:44 | gmcharlt | jwagner: the latter, I think |
| 18:44 | jwagner | Is it implemented anywhere, or one of those "future development" placeholders? |
| 18:45 | gmcharlt | not sure about that - I think it's mostly a placeholder for now |
| 18:45 | CGI988 | I catalogued about 60 or 70 books first, no problem, no duplicates. Then I started catalogue more in a week, and after I clicked save button on the MARC editing screen, it kept asking me - a duplicate is found, do you want to save it as a new record, or edit the existing one, I saved one as a new record, then I had two records for the same book, so I started editig the existing ones.... |
| 18:46 | now it doesn't even show that duplicate warning sign any more, just duplicates it on its own:( | |
| 18:46 | jwagner | gmcharlt, thanks. I'll ignore it for now. |
| 18:47 | sekjal | CGI988: odd. Still using the same browser on the same computer? |
| 18:48 | CGI988 | no, the computer is different, but the browser is IE the same on all comps |
| 18:49 | sekjal | CGI988: so the error started after you switched machines? or has it occurred when working on multiple machines? |
| 18:51 | CGI988 | hmm... now that I think of that - I used firefox when catalogued the first 70 books.... and then I started using another computer with IE, could that be the problem? and it showed me the duplicate warning sign, and then they upgrated the computer and now there's no warning sign, but just duplicating.... |
| 18:51 | is that a browser problem? | |
| 18:52 | sekjal | CGI988: well, different browsers handle Javascript differently, and I know there is some JS in the cataloging module |
| 18:52 | CGI988: it's a possibility. the coincidence makes it worth checking out, at least | |
| 18:53 | CGI988 | ok... are you going to be here for another 15 minutes or so? let me try catalogue some books using firefox, I'll install it now on my machine |
| 18:53 | wizzyrea | jwagner Yay for patches... except we can't get them put on our system |
| 18:53 | grrr | |
| 18:53 | sekjal | CGI988: yes, I'll be here |
| 18:53 | CGI988 | great, thank you! I'll be back soon |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | I guess my real question is... can't you add some kind of LIMIT statement to the end of your saved reports to get more out |
| 18:54 | colloquy for iphone = win, btw | |
| 18:56 | sekjal | wizzyrea: in channel, it looks like you're logging in and out a lot. But your user experience is smooth? |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | yea, actually it is |
| 18:56 | it reconnects every time you open the app | |
| 18:56 | you *can* have it run in the background | |
| 18:57 | and do push notifications | |
| 18:57 | but I find that eats too much battery | |
| 18:57 | and I was already kinda low | |
| 18:58 | sekjal | wizzyrea: hmmm.... I'v been looking for a good IRC client for my iPhone. I spend a LOT of hours in transit, and it would be nice to be in channel |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | well I like, it, I already use colloquy on my Mac |
| 18:59 | CGI988 | sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil! |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | oh someone quote add that |
| 19:00 | my registration is messed up, somehow | |
| 19:00 | CGI988 | it works perfect with firefox! |
| 19:00 | sekjal | CGI988: whew, I'm glad we were able to find a workaround. |
| 19:00 | CGI988 | :)))))) |
| 19:00 | oh such a relief!! thank you SO MUCH! | |
| 19:01 | sekjal | you're very welcome |
| 19:01 | CGI988 | :))))))))))) |
| 19:01 | by-bye! | |
| 19:01 | sekjal | cheers! |
| 19:01 | gmcharlt | @quote add <CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil! |
| 19:01 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #45 added. |
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| 19:02 | sekjal | should I add a bug report for this? Or see if the error can be reproduced in 3.0.4 first? |
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| 19:05 | brendan | wb Nate |
| 19:06 | Nate | hello hello! |
| 19:06 | brendan | sekjal -- I'd say file a bug and then if you get a chance test it again |
| 19:06 | and close you're bug if you are able to conclude that it is fixed | |
| 19:06 | whoops your bug | |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | ty gmcharlt :) |
| 19:15 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 19:15 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 04:07 PM, October 30, 2009) |
| 19:15 | * jdavidb | raises an eyebrow |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 19:15 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #43: "< Ropuch> Uh - beware of tea: it can burn your throat" (added by chris at 04:35 AM, October 30, 2009) |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | munin ++ that one's funny |
| 19:15 | sekjal | brendan: sounds like a plan |
| 19:15 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: "++" is not a valid command. |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | munin++ |
| 19:16 | @quote random | |
| 19:16 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #43: "< Ropuch> Uh - beware of tea: it can burn your throat" (added by chris at 04:35 AM, October 30, 2009) |
| 19:16 | jdavidb | munin-- #for being a broken record. |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | *sob* |
| 19:16 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 19:16 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #40: "<tomascohen> hi everyone, just wanted to say I'm happy i managed to bypass the firewall to be with you *** tomascohen quit (Remote host closed the connection)" (added by ricardo at 11:05 AM, October 08, 2009) |
| 19:16 | brendan | @quote random |
| 19:16 | munin | brendan: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 02:23 PM, September 16, 2009) |
| 19:17 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 19:17 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.3�C (11:12 AM PST on November 05, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:17 | jdavidb | @wunder 20852 |
| 19:17 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 13.6�C (2:13 PM EST on November 05, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:17 | brendan | cya in a bit #koha |
| 19:17 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 19:17 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 09:14 AM, September 01, 2009) |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 19:37 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #24: "<kmkale> interesting word munin. in many indian languages we have a word munim who used to be a sort of accountant for all businessmen" (added by gmcharlt at 10:07 AM, August 07, 2009) |
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| 19:41 | richard | hi |
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| 19:53 | chris_n | hi richard |
| 19:53 | richard | hi chris_n |
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| 20:36 | rhcl | in order to run 'rebuild_zebra' you have to have the path to the C4/lib set with the shell command #export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib. In what script should that variable be placed? |
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| 20:37 | brendan | you could do it just before you want to run the command |
| 20:37 | chris | you setting up a cron job rhcl ? |
| 20:37 | rhcl | cron=yes |
| 20:37 | brendan | or put it in your profile |
| 20:37 | oh whoops | |
| 20:37 | chris | check out the one in misc/cronjobs/crontab.example |
| 20:37 | you wanna copy that file | |
| 20:37 | brendan | chris++ |
| 20:37 | chris | edit it |
| 20:37 | rhcl | yea, I have the crontab set, but it doesn't seem to be running the indexer |
| 20:38 | chris | id add a -v |
| 20:38 | rhcl | It will run manually if I'm in a shell and export the variable |
| 20:38 | chris | and the | mailx youremailaddress -s "indexer" |
| 20:38 | place that line without the leading # | |
| 20:38 | in your crontab | |
| 20:39 | you'll want the KOHA_CONF one too | |
| 20:39 | # is a comment, so won't actually get run | |
| 20:39 | and piping the command to mailx is handy when debugging, then it will email you the output of what happened | |
| 20:40 | rhcl | BTW, the install instructions for 3.0.4 are *much* better than what I recall for 2.?. If I recall, Paul is the author of that doc? Whoever--much thanks. |
| 20:41 | chris | joshua before he lost his mind did a lot of those |
| 20:41 | and they are good | |
| 20:41 | jdavidb | "before he lost his mind". *snrk* |
| 20:41 | rhcl | chris: you are too diplomatic :) |
| 20:42 | chris | i try :) |
| 20:42 | * jdavidb | waves |
| 20:42 | jdavidb left #koha | |
| 20:44 | * sekjal | is reading up on Electronic Resource Management, in hopes of working on one for Koha |
| 20:44 | chris | yay! |
| 20:45 | brendan | would be awesome sekjal |
| 20:45 | go for it :) | |
| 20:45 | sekjal | we definitely need it at our institution, and I'm pretty sure others need it, too. |
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| 20:46 | sekjal | I've got some ideas jotted down about what might need to be changed to implement it, adding more as I work through the existing literature |
| 20:46 | It's likely a big job; maybe Koha 4.0 big | |
| 20:59 | chris | yeah, the nice thing is, with git you can work it in an topic branch along side |
| 20:59 | merging in master every so often | |
| 21:00 | sekjal | would it be better to publish the RFC as being for Koha 3.2, 3.4, 4.0 or none of the above? |
| 21:00 | wait, obviously not 3.2 | |
| 21:00 | sorry | |
| 21:01 | chris | id link it to 3.4 but say, this is big work, and may not make 3.4 and will carry on into the next release if so |
| 21:01 | somethign like that anyway | |
| 21:01 | sekjal | sounds fair. I definitely need community feedback on what all it should do |
| 21:02 | chris | *nod* and its worth it just to save 2 ppl doing hte same thing as well |
| 21:02 | sekjal | I envision it doing so pretty deep structural changes to borrowers and aqbooksellers tables |
| 21:03 | chris_n | wow, bad things going on at Ft. Hood, TX.... http://www.reuters.com/article[…]TRE5A454F20091105 |
| 21:03 | sekjal | or, perhaps more accurately, replacing them with tables for "people" and "institutions" |
| 21:03 | chris | you may want to wait until the biblibre changes for acquisitiosn are merged in |
| 21:03 | (which should be any day now( | |
| 21:03 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/a[…]rmy-base-shooting | |
| 21:04 | yep, is rapidly becoming big news here too chris_n | |
| 21:04 | sekjal | chris: yes. I doubt I could even get started before Acq 3.2 is merged |
| 21:05 | chris | chris_n: kinda proves the lie that having guns protects you eh |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | I'd rather have a big stick any day |
| 21:06 | sekjal | circumstances seem too unclear from the above articles to draw many conclusions... seems like it'd have to be an inside job, though |
| 21:06 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:07 | thats the downside of working on a new site, you see lots of bad news | |
| 21:07 | brendan | wow stuff just loaded crazy fast here |
| 21:07 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]s-over-Wellington |
| 21:07 | brendan | cheers chris |
| 21:07 | chris | brendan: thats how it should be when we have bandwidth :) |
| 21:08 | brendan | :) |
| 21:08 | chris | some nice photos there |
| 21:09 | brendan | I don't see your hand though |
| 21:09 | chris | hehe i was at home :) |
| 21:10 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/s[…]2157622617136697/ and photos from one of my workmates | |
| 21:11 | heh it looks like nate had a fun halloween | |
| 21:12 | Nate | you like that chris? |
| 21:12 | brendan | el oso |
| 21:12 | Nate | rargh |
| 21:12 | brendan | the bear |
| 21:12 | chris | heh |
| 21:12 | http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]21021&id=60801148 | |
| 21:13 | Nate | wow whos the creepy guy in the door? |
| 21:13 | chris | hehe |
| 21:13 | sekjal | alright, time to catch a train. cheers, #koha |
| 21:14 | sekjal left #koha | |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | ooh preeeeety |
| 21:15 | Nate | http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]d=60801148#/photo.php?pid=31520808&id=60801148 |
| 21:15 | I eat whips for breakfast | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | lol wowie |
| 21:16 | Nate | or you can say im whipped |
| 21:17 | chris | that's your partner/gf/significant other/whatever you guys call it eh? |
| 21:17 | brendan | that's his trainer |
| 21:17 | chris | heh |
| 21:18 | that is probably the best way to describe a g/f ever | |
| 21:18 | brendan | agreed |
| 21:18 | chris_n | why does CGI::Carp::die go into deep recursion on an undeclared var? |
| 21:18 | Nate | thats the woman |
| 21:19 | future mrs nate | |
| 21:19 | chris | hmm good question, seems like a bug to me chris_n, no bugs listed for that on cpan? |
| 21:19 | * chris_n | finds it rather irritating because the process hangs and has to be killed |
| 21:19 | Nate | .....eventually that is |
| 21:19 | chris | Nate: congrats :) |
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| 21:24 | wizzyrea | trainer?! |
| 21:25 | well I guess.... but only if you like it that way >.> | |
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| 21:30 | brendan joined #koha | |
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| 21:40 | chris | i hate the rfi/rfp process |
| 21:42 | * chris_n | echoes that sentiment |
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| 22:09 | * chris_n | heads out for the day... bbl |
| 22:09 | rhcl | hey liz, under cataloging, the 100a field is greyed out, and won't let us enter anything. Why come? |
| 22:09 | chris | you have authorities turned on |
| 22:09 | rhcl | and it's not supposed to be? |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | what he said |
| 22:17 | rhcl | OK, so should it be turned off? |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | are you going to use authorities? |
| 22:18 | rhcl | I'm in waaay over my head. This is book stuff. I need to get my TS person on chat. |
| 22:19 | We've always used (Sirsi) authorities, and been able to go in and modify them. | |
| 22:19 | chris | yeah you need your cataloguing people |
| 22:19 | you can do that with koha too | |
| 22:19 | just not in that screen | |
| 22:19 | there is a whole other screen for monkeying with authorities | |
| 22:20 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | nekls doesn't use them (yet) |
| 22:20 | rhcl | ok, where's the monkey screen? |
| 22:20 | chris | pass |
| 22:20 | the manual should tell ya tho | |
| 22:20 | 2 secs | |
| 22:21 | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]hterm=authorities | |
| 22:25 | rhcl | OK, first we conquered the zebra, and now we conquered the monkey. We're on a roll, TS is happy. Thanks both. |
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| 22:53 | chris_n2_ | back... different location... same code |
| 22:54 | chris | :) |
| 22:58 | chris_n2_ | @wunder 28334 |
| 22:58 | munin | chris_n2_: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 13.0�C (5:39 PM EST on November 05, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:59 | chris | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 22:59 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on November 06, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:59 | ftherese | I imported all my marc records but they are do not show up in the catalog, or in the resevoir now |
| 22:59 | chris | caught ya |
| 22:59 | wizzyrea | @wunder 66047 |
| 22:59 | chris_n2_ | heh |
| 22:59 | chris | ftherese: are you using zebra? |
| 22:59 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 18.3�C (4:58 PM CST on November 05, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:59 | ftherese | yes |
| 22:59 | chris_n2_ | supposed to be 2 C tonight |
| 22:59 | ftherese | I ran the zebra index too |
| 22:59 | chris | and you have run rebuild_zebra? |
| 22:59 | chris_n2_ | time to stack a fire |
| 23:00 | chris | cool can you try running it again, with -v |
| 23:00 | ftherese | it seems like it fails at the end |
| 23:00 | chris | which should give you some verbose output then |
| 23:00 | http://paste.workbuffer.org/ <-- paste the error there | |
| 23:00 | chris_n2_ | wizzyrea: still some catching up to do there ;-) |
| 23:00 | ftherese | waiting |
| 23:00 | it has to sift through another 20000 | |
| 23:01 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 23:04 | ftherese | 1300 |
| 23:04 | sorry | |
| 23:04 | 13000 | |
| 23:04 | the last couple of times it had problems with the lock files | |
| 23:04 | but that was just a warning | |
| 23:05 | then it failed on something ... I don't remember | |
| 23:05 | chris | ah if it had permissions problems |
| 23:06 | ftherese | I tried to run it as another user |
| 23:06 | chris | you probably should be running it as the koha user |
| 23:06 | ftherese | I am |
| 23:06 | chris | and all the zebra files should be owned by that user |
| 23:06 | you might need to do some sudo chown | |
| 23:07 | ftherese | 7000 |
| 23:07 | chris_n2_ | we really need to fix the zebra permissions issue in 3.2 |
| 23:08 | * chris_n2_ | looks for spare time |
| 23:10 | ftherese | coming up on the end here |
| 23:10 | chris | i think a dev install butches them a standard install i think works, (or used to) |
| 23:12 | pastebot | "ftherese" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "rebuild_zebra.pl problems" (32 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/42 |
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| 23:13 | ftherese | this is how I am running the server chris: sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
| 23:14 | chris | yep |
| 23:14 | ftherese | sudo -u koha $/usr/share/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.p |
| 23:14 | chris | yeah dont run that |
| 23:14 | ftherese | I need to do the same with the perl -I |
| 23:14 | ok so kill the daemon | |
| 23:15 | chris | you should use rebuild_zebra run as a cron job |
| 23:15 | (once you have done your initial index with using rebuild_zebra) | |
| 23:15 | ftherese | well... I just want to find out if it works first |
| 23:15 | chris | then you should just run rebuild_zebra.pl .. dont use the daemon |
| 23:16 | ftherese | so what do I do now... because it failed |
| 23:16 | chris | rebuild_zebra failed? |
| 23:17 | ftherese | yeah |
| 23:17 | didn't you see my paste? | |
| 23:17 | chris | looking now |
| 23:17 | ftherese | unless the "fatal" at the end is ok |
| 23:17 | chris | naw, it looks like permission problems to me |
| 23:18 | ftherese | should I run sudo -u koha perl -I /usr..../lib /usr/share/.../rebuild_zebra.pl? |
| 23:18 | chris | yes |
| 23:18 | but first | |
| 23:18 | ls -l /var/lock/koha/zebradb | |
| 23:19 | and ls -l /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios | |
| 23:19 | who are they owned by? | |
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| 23:19 | ftherese | lock files -koha:koha |
| 23:19 | chris | cool |
| 23:19 | ftherese | biblios - key/register/shadow/tmp all owned by koha:koha |
| 23:20 | so I just need to run the rebuild_zebra with koha | |
| 23:21 | 500 | |
| 23:21 | 700 | |
| 23:21 | counting up to 43000 | |
| 23:22 | 3500 | |
| 23:23 | does zebrasrv need to be running? | |
| 23:24 | chris? | |
| 23:24 | Ropuch left #koha | |
| 23:25 | chris | no |
| 23:25 | only for when you want to search :) | |
| 23:25 | ftherese | that's a joke right... |
| 23:26 | chris | no, you dont need it to index |
| 23:26 | just to search | |
| 23:26 | ftherese | ok... |
| 23:26 | good to know | |
| 23:26 | 13500 | |
| 23:31 | 24000 | |
| 23:31 | chris | gotta duck out |
| 23:32 | ftherese | see ya |
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| 23:42 | ftherese | still no record or resevoir results in the catalogue search |
| 23:42 | I just imported and indexed 43000 records | |
| 23:42 | where the heck are they? | |
| 23:47 | chris_n2_ | ftherese: does rebuild_zebra.pl show no errors now? |
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| 23:48 | * chris_n2_ | nengard a baked potato with cheese and chili |
| 23:48 | nengard | ??? |
| 23:49 | chris_n2_ | it's supper tonight |
| 23:49 | was I should say | |
| 23:52 | ftherese | chris_n2: no errors |
| 23:52 | chris_n2_: but still no dice | |
| 23:53 | chris_n2_ | zebra is running now? |
| 23:53 | chris_n2_ is now known as chris_n2 | |
| 23:53 | ftherese | I think there is a field that is mapped incorrectly... but I don't know which |
| 23:54 | chris_n2 | ftherese: sometimes it is easiest to reboot to get zebra running |
| 23:54 | nengard: heh... sorry... I meant to hand you the potatoe | |
| 23:55 | potato even... | |
| 23:55 | nengard | OH!!! got it |
| 23:55 | :) | |
| 23:55 | * chris_n2 | has been staring at the crt too long today :-P |
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| 23:59 | chris_n2 | heya brendan |
| 23:59 | brendan | hi |
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