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00:10 | chris_n2 | ftherese: any luck? |
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01:01 | Nate | Ok time to sign out for the day gnight #koha! |
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01:21 | chris_n2 | argghh... |
01:50 | ok perl wizards, I'm stumped | |
01:50 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "array weirdness" (210 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/43 |
01:50 | chris_n2 | any thoughts on what causes this weirdness? |
01:53 | chris | hmmm |
01:53 | dunno, but it's a bunch easier to read if you do | |
01:53 | http://paste.workbuffer.org/43[…]submit=Format+it! | |
01:54 | chris_n2 | yeah |
01:54 | no matter how I cut it it always appears to modify the same array contents | |
01:55 | rather than undef'ing the array each pass | |
01:56 | chris | $field_font = _set_selected( $font_types, $field_params->{'font'} ); |
01:56 | its always passing the same array in | |
01:57 | so you are dumping hte same array, each time its passed into _set_selected | |
01:57 | chris_n2 | right, it should be, but what's coming out should only have one 'selected' => 1 |
01:57 | chris | well nothing is unselecting it |
01:57 | thats a ref to an array being passed in, and being returned | |
01:58 | it will just keep setting selected=1 for ever | |
01:58 | chris_n2 | ahhh |
01:58 | chris | nothing is unsetting it |
01:58 | chris_n2 | the arrayref is the same... boy did I miss that one |
01:58 | chris | if you see what what i mean |
01:58 | chris_n2 | since I'm passing the ref and not the actual array |
01:58 | chris | *nod* |
01:59 | chris_n2 | so I need to deref it to unset it, correct? |
01:59 | chris | or make a copy, modify that and return it |
02:00 | actually no that wont work | |
02:00 | yeah, deref it | |
02:01 | you might want to warn on $layout_font too | |
02:01 | just to check that is what you think it should be | |
02:03 | chris_n2 | *nod* |
02:04 | chris | that my should be stopping the side effect |
02:05 | pastebot | "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Use array assignment to a loca" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/44 |
02:05 | chris | so it should actually be making a copy each time and modifying that |
02:06 | so i might have put you wrong | |
02:13 | chris_n2 | very strange |
02:14 | derefing it and copying it so: my @font_types_copy = @font_types; and the weirdness is the same :-P | |
02:15 | recopying each pass even | |
02:16 | it somehow appears that all the vars reference the same memory location | |
02:16 | chris | that is really weird |
02:19 | * chris_n2 | consults with the perl gurus |
02:19 | chris_n2 | and bets it is something obvious as it too often is |
02:20 | chris | it is usually the way |
02:28 | chris_n2 | bad algorithm... |
02:29 | chris | ? |
02:29 | chris_n2 | [21:21]<CSJewell>You have an algorithm error in _set_selected. The if statement needs an else { $type->{'selected'} = 0; } |
02:30 | chris | hmmm |
02:30 | chris_n2 | turns out the actual "referent" is not scoped and everything (vars and references) point to the same "referent"... 8-S |
02:30 | chris | ahhh |
02:30 | so i was half on the right track | |
02:31 | chris_n2 | adding the 'else' does "fix" the "problem" |
02:31 | but really being able to destroy the referent would be better probably | |
02:31 | chris | yeah |
02:31 | * chris_n2 | tries hard to remember his C++ |
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02:34 | brendan | what do you mean "referent" ? |
02:37 | "call-by-reference" | |
02:37 | chris_n2 | brendan: the thing the reference refers to |
02:38 | brendan | ok -- kind of tongue tided there |
02:38 | chris_n2 | theoretically an actual memory address |
02:38 | brendan | ok |
02:39 | thanks -- understanding the term usage a little bit better now | |
02:42 | chris_n2 | brendan: I may be wrong... have been before and will be again |
02:43 | brendan | won't hold anything against you :) |
03:02 | chris | http://stephenslighthouse.sirs[…]_about_a_res.html |
03:02 | check out that last comment and stephens comment on it | |
03:03 | he is the master of playing the woe is me, im such a martyr card | |
03:08 | brendan | http://www.wired.com/thisdayin[…]ack-to-the-future |
03:08 | from the evergreen channel :) | |
03:09 | chris_n2 | he is a bit 'slippery' I'd say |
03:15 | http://paste.workbuffer.org/47[…]submit=Format+it! | |
03:16 | so it appears that I really am just passing around the reference | |
03:16 | and so am operating on the same array regardless of the name | |
03:17 | * chris_n2 | spends way too much time chasing rabbits |
03:18 | chris_n2 | brendan: lol |
03:18 | brendan | chris : the idea that Stephen has a response on every comment on his blog -- just really get's under my skin |
03:19 | I know the claim of too much spam -- but geeze it really bothers me | |
03:19 | chris_n2 | self generated spam? |
03:20 | brendan | Wonders how many responses he hasn't posted |
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03:41 | Amit | hi chris, brendan, richard |
03:42 | good morning #koha | |
03:42 | richard | hi Amit |
03:43 | * chris_n2 | thinks there is a wicked heisenbug in perl >8-( |
03:43 | chris_n2 | nothing like being persecuted by your own code |
03:43 | hi richard, Amit | |
03:44 | richard | hiya chris_n2 |
03:45 | Amit | heya chris_n2 |
03:48 | brendan | hello Amit |
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06:00 | Amit | hi granthpal |
06:01 | granthpal | hi guys.. first install attempt of koha on CentOS image -- opac/staffclient accessible -- added one book -- HOWEVER Search won't respond -- two errors in the log files :: DBD:mysql:st + HTML::Template::Pro:in TMPL_LOOP ... Can anyone help |
06:01 | hi AMit :) | |
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06:21 | * chris_n2 | crawls off to sleep |
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07:00 | ftherese | anyone here this morning? |
07:00 | evening/afternoon | |
07:02 | Ropuch^ | Morning ;> |
07:02 | ftherese | I need to do surgery on my koha database to find out why it isn't being indexed, even though no errors are being reported - maybe it is the way I am using the bulkimportscript.pl |
07:07 | Ropuch^ | I've never used bulkmarcimport |
07:08 | ftherese | consider yourself blessed |
07:08 | Ropuch^ is now known as Ropuch | |
07:09 | Ropuch | ftherese: huh, the previous ils' records are so bad I decided to skip migration and create new records |
07:10 | So I'm consider myself busy instead of blessed ;> | |
07:10 | ftherese | I'll say... If I decided to do that... I would be at it for at least a year before we could migrate |
07:11 | 40000+ records | |
07:12 | Ropuch | I was < 10k then, so i had that choice ;> |
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07:45 | hdl | chris around ? |
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09:34 | |Lupin| | hello all |
09:34 | Ropuch | Hi laurence |
09:34 | Uh | |
09:34 | Hello |Lupin| [; | |
09:35 | laurence | hello Ropuch |
09:36 | |Lupin| | hi Ropuch, laurence |
09:38 | someone remembers how to solve the dependency problem with libicu36 ? | |
09:49 | Ropuch | I've downloaded .deb and instlled it manualyy afar |
09:50 | |Lupin| | Ropuch: I think I did the same but currently I can't find the .deb again |
09:50 | Ropuch | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/h[…]86/libicu36/3.6-3 |
09:51 | |Lupin| | Ropuch: thanks, but would you also be able to find a link from a Debian site ? |
09:51 | Ropuch: also, I'd need the amd64 version | |
09:52 | Ropuch | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libicu36 |
09:54 | It's from etch, but should work | |
09:54 | |Lupin| | Ropuch: yep I visited this page and didn't see the link to download the binary, but perhaps I went through the page too quickly |
09:55 | Ropuch | http://security.debian.org/deb[…]-2etch3_amd64.deb |
09:57 | |Lupin| | Ropuch: ahah ! thanks a lot ! |
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10:28 | Brewman | OK....silly question of the day.....any one know where to change the text of such things like "Login" and "Password" ? is there a variable file anywhere? |
10:28 | That's on the OPAC | |
10:31 | hdl | in template file |
10:34 | Brewman | template file? Which one? |
10:34 | Ropuch | hdl: I think it's in .po |
10:35 | Oh | |
10:35 | Brewman: you want to change an english version? | |
10:35 | hdl | Ropuch: If you want to change that in English, then you have to edit template. |
10:35 | Brewman | Yep, should have mentioned that |
10:37 | Ropuch | ;> |
10:38 | Brewman | Is it the opac-main.tmpl? |
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10:41 | Brewman | Great....found it..../usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-main.tmpl |
10:41 | Thanks! | |
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11:03 | jan | hi all |
11:03 | Brewman | Would anyone be able to look here and tell me what might be wrong? http://83.141.96.100:222/cgi-b[…]ha/opac-search.pl |
11:04 | jan | anyone know the status of AmazonContent and AmazonEnabled ..... both settings are used in source, but in the admin interface you can only set the latter ... :/ |
11:12 | granthpal2 | Brewman: your splash page is all skewed up, but searches are quite fine, results for "system" download within 3 seconds in mumbai, india :) |
11:14 | Brewman | Yeah, its the screen all messed up that I have a problem with!! Any idea where to look? I am thinking it might be a CSS issue but not sure |
11:16 | granthpal2 | Guys ! This is my first installation 3.0.2 on CentOS. I have added one marc record, but it just won't show up in a search... |
11:17 | |Lupin| | granthpal2: have you indexed he dtabase ? |
11:17 | granthpal2 | <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/opac2.css" /> |
11:17 | <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/opac2.css" /> | |
11:18 | brewman: your page source -- line 14 -- | |
11:18 | what I have is opac.css ! | |
11:19 | Brewman | I know, I was trying to change things around to see if it is CSS, I will change back to opac.css but I think it'll be the same |
11:19 | granthpal2 | Lupin: I came across a cmd online a few hrs back and ran the zebra index -- it said 2 biblios indexed --- still searching for catch |
11:19 | |Lupin| | granthpal2: the oher thing to check is that the zebra daemon is running... |
11:24 | granthpal2 | Yeah, zebra daemon is on |
11:24 | log-opac-err shows: opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in addition (+) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl | |
11:24 | other err: HTML::Template::Pro:in TMPL_LOOP at pos 232: PARAM:LOOP:next_loop(0): callback returned null scope | |
11:31 | hdl | jan : you can add the one you need. New System Preference. |
11:32 | But there should be only one valid. | |
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11:33 | jan | hi hdl, thanks, i did, i just find it strange that i cannot find some preferences documented, also "OPACShowCheckoutName" |
11:35 | hdl | are you on a 3.2 version or 3.0 ? |
11:38 | jan | latest 3.0.x |
11:38 | |Lupin| | bye all |
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11:39 | hdl | jan: OPACShowCheckoutName is 3.2 iirc. |
11:40 | jan | hdl: i was reading the documentation of 3.0 : http://koha.org/documentation/[…]cshowcheckoutname |
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12:24 | Nate | Good Morning #koha |
12:25 | Amit | heya Nate |
12:25 | Nate | morning Amit! |
12:31 | Brewman | Anyone know if you can either switch off the Pickup Location drop down when placing a hold or, make it default in a NON alphabetical way? |
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12:40 | Amit | heya Brewman |
12:40 | Brewman | Hey |
12:40 | hdl | hi all |
12:40 | Amit | heya hdl, jwagner |
12:41 | jwagner | Hi everyone |
12:46 | Nate | hi jwagner |
12:46 | hi hdl | |
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12:52 | Amit | hi paul |
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13:09 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
13:09 | ftherese | morning chris_n |
13:09 | chris_n | ftherese: how's your zebra behaving today? |
13:10 | ftherese | poorly :( |
13:10 | well... I guess it works | |
13:10 | but it doesn't return any results | |
13:11 | the only way I can find my records is by looking in the inventory | |
13:11 | chris_n | have you tried connecting with the yaz-client and doing some search |
13:11 | ftherese | they don't show up in the catalog or in the reservoir |
13:11 | even when everything runs without reporting any errors | |
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13:11 | ftherese | no... I don't know how that works... |
13:11 | chris_n | 'morning gmcharlt |
13:12 | ftherese | chris_n: yaz-client? what does that do? |
13:12 | gmcharlt | good morning |
13:13 | chris_n | ftherese: check out this example from kete: http://kete.net.nz/documentati[…]y-with-yaz-client |
13:13 | it should work for koha as well | |
13:13 | yaz-client is a cli zebra client | |
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13:14 | ftherese | ok |
13:14 | chris_n | doing that will at least tell you if the problem is w/zebra |
13:14 | ftherese | zebra gives no errors |
13:14 | if I watch the server output | |
13:14 | the user connects makes the request and then hangs up without a problem | |
13:23 | Amit | hi galen |
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13:35 | nengard | is it just me or has the koha list gotten more active lately? maybe it's just that I have so much more to do lately that I can't keep up!!! |
13:37 | owen | I don't think it's just you nengard |
13:37 | nengard | oh good :) |
13:38 | owen | and lots of it is coming from outside the US, which is exciting but makes for more language problems. |
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13:43 | nengard | that is true |
13:43 | owen | Brewman, did you get your template problem sorted out? |
13:43 | paul_p | g'morning USA... |
13:44 | jwagner | Bonjour paul_p. No jpaul_p today? |
13:48 | Brewman | Owen@ I got the Text in the template sorted, yes. However this problems remains - > look at the was this page is all messed up! http://83.141.96.100:222/cgi-b[…]ha/opac-search.pl |
13:48 | owen | What kind of changes have you made? HTML? CSS? Both? |
13:49 | Brewman | To that advanced page? None, that problem was there before I made any changes |
13:49 | paul_p | jwagner: jnope, jbut i'ill jadd j jeverywhere :D |
13:50 | Brewman | It is a CSS problem though, if I strip the css from the page its fine. However, there seems to be an <div> of Boolean that I can't find in any style sheet |
13:50 | jwagner | paul_p, jwell, jI jguess jthat jwill jwork jtoo! |
13:50 | chris_n | lol |
13:52 | owen | Brewman: What version of Koha is this? |
13:53 | * jdavidb | needs some jsleep. |
13:53 | Brewman | Version 3.0001005 |
13:56 | * owen | doesn't know what official version number that translates to |
13:56 | nengard | ahhhhhh - too many Js |
13:57 | * jdavidb | finds it jamusing that all the js are jconfusing jnengard. |
13:57 | paul_p | hello jnengard ! |
13:57 | Brewman | I think it's 3.0.1 |
13:57 | * paul_p | jhas a jlittle jproblem... |
14:01 | owen | Brewman: What templates have you modified? |
14:03 | Brewman | just opac-results (changing to yui-t1 to yui-t4). Nothing else |
14:03 | in opacfacets | |
14:05 | owen | Brewman: Do you have the opacbookbag and virtualshelves preferences turned off? |
14:07 | Brewman | one sec and I'll check |
14:07 | yes, to both | |
14:07 | owen | It looks like you must. I wonder if the problem goes away if they're on? |
14:08 | Brewman | We'll, I try it. Gimme a minute. |
14:08 | * owen | is looking at what's missing from your advanced search screen and wondering if there is a connection |
14:09 | Brewman | Both turned on now and no change. |
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14:13 | owen | I'm not sure what to tell you Brewman. I don't have an installation of that version to check against, but I can't imagine an unmodified installation would have a completely broken advanced search page |
14:14 | I would try to track down any possible changes you might have made. Maybe check the files from the original tarball and diff them against the templates you have installed? | |
14:16 | Brewman | Yeah, I know, it's a strange one. It is possible someone else changed it. I thought someone here might spot it straight away, but I will go back to installer files and check. Thanks for your help. |
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14:28 | jwagner | paul_p and others, we have an installation problem. Doing a git install, we applied paul_p's patch for Bug 3608 to make the messaging options work in patron categories and patron records. When I try to set some options in the patron categories, it will record and display things like Hold Filled. But it won't retain settings for Advance Notice (e.g., 5 days, digest). jdavidb tells me he sees them in the table, but they don't show in the patron categor |
14:28 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3608 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulainbiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Install from scratch, file uploading errors [BibLibre coderun] |
14:29 | paul_p | jwagner: I don't understand the relation btw 3608 and your problem ? |
14:29 | jwagner | And when I create a new patron based on one of the categories, it sees and applies the hold setting, but does not pick up the advance notice setting. I can edit the record to it, and jdavidb says he sees it in the table, but it again doesn't display. |
14:30 | jdavidb | Bug 3608 prevented loading of sample_notices (which prevented loading of sample_notice_message_transport). May not be tightly linked, but it's in there. |
14:31 | jwagner | He had to load your patch before I could get any message settings at all in the patron categories. |
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14:31 | jwagner | I checked a couple of other systems. On my sandbox, updated to latest Koha head, it does the same thing. On another machine with the same version number (.061) but a couple of weeks behind head, messaging settings display and work properly. |
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15:16 | hdl | gmcharlt: around ? |
15:17 | gmcharlt | hi hdl |
15:17 | hdl | hi how are you ? |
15:17 | gmcharlt | not too bad |
15:19 | hdl | As Chris told, I shall release a new 3.0.5 quite soon. |
15:19 | gmcharlt | understood |
15:19 | jdavidb | hdl++ |
15:19 | hdl | any hint on our master branch update ? |
15:20 | (merge in official branch) ? | |
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15:27 | gmcharlt | hdl: ready to go tonight |
15:28 | redtano | test chat |
15:28 | paul_p | redtano: works ;-) |
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15:34 | owen | I'm surprised how many people come in here just to find out if it works. Are they waiting for an emergency to ask a real question? |
15:37 | wizzyrea | idk, I'm surprised that librarians aren't more interested in real time group chat |
15:37 | i mean, they love conferences | |
15:39 | owen | We tried to set up an IRC channel for our 7 branches, and it never took off. |
15:39 | But most people don't sit down at a computer | |
15:39 | wizzyrea | jwagner: i'm looking at my current head, and the messaging settings come through fine |
15:40 | sorry, I know that's like discussion from an hour ago | |
15:41 | * owen | has to go pick up a sniffly baby from daycare :( |
15:41 | owen | Wish me luck! |
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15:44 | chris_n | what we need is a "HUD' type hat that has wireless connectivity and scrolls the irc buffer before our eyes as we walk about |
15:44 | wizzyrea | @later tell owen good luck with the baby! |
15:44 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
15:45 | wizzyrea | hehe |
15:45 | chris_n did you see/hear about the device that non-sighted people can put on their tongue, attached to a camera, that can allow them to "see" | |
15:45 | lemme see if I can find it | |
15:46 | chris_n | sounds neat |
15:46 | wizzyrea | http://www.c00lstuff.com/308/T[…]th_tongue_vision/ |
15:46 | chris_n | I did read about experiments in sensor implants in the optic area of the brain |
15:46 | wizzyrea | I wonder if you could stretch the functionality of that to create a 6th sense: the internet sense :) |
15:49 | chris_n | heh |
15:49 | http://www.associatedcontent.c[…]lants.html?cat=12 | |
15:58 | nengard | quick question - for koha db is an issue a check out only? or a check out and/or a renewal |
16:04 | jdavidb | An issue can be renewed. Renewal and checkout are *actions*, and an issue is a record of either. Renewing updates the issue record. |
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16:20 | jdavidb | gmcharlt: ping? |
16:21 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: pong |
16:21 | jdavidb | I resubmitted a patch for bug 3775, but it's labeled for 3774. Fat-finger typing day, I guess. Can you fix, or do I need to re-re-submit? |
16:21 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3775 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, dbavousettptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Accounts::chargelostitem uses title, but title not available to it |
16:22 | jwagner | wizzyrea, sorry, I've been in a meeting & just saw your response to my problem. When did you last update head, can you tell? So far we have a system last updated to head in about July which works, and one updated this week, which doesn't. But they both have version # .061, so it's hard to tell when the problem crept in. |
16:24 | wizzyrea | mine is updated to about 3 days ago |
16:24 | I think... | |
16:25 | 3.01.00.061 | |
16:25 | let me make sure I understand correctly: You set up the messaging defaults on the patron categories page, and the defaults for advance notice don't show up? | |
16:25 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: that's fine - I'll fix the bug # when I push |
16:26 | jdavidb | thankee, gmcharlt! |
16:26 | jwagner | wizzyrea, correct. jdavidb says they seem to be recording in the table for the patron categories, but they aren't on the display/edit screen after I set them. And when I create a patron based on the category, the advance notice setting isn't seen/applied -- the actual patron record's settings don't have it. |
16:27 | I'm about to open a bug report. | |
16:27 | It's a critical/blocker for us, because I can't import patrons for this new site until the messaging settings are fixed. | |
16:33 | wizzyrea | that's weird, it shows both places in mine |
16:33 | nengard | MySQL problem - I'm getting an array error with this query |
16:33 | oops - nevermind - a typo | |
16:34 | wizzyrea | OH jane |
16:34 | jwagner! | |
16:34 | I think I know what your problem is | |
16:34 | you can't have days in advance set to 0 | |
16:35 | let me double check that you just tickled something in my mind | |
16:35 | a problem we had waaaaay back when we were testing that enhancement | |
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16:36 | nengard | okay - mysql question for real - I have a report that does this: Patrons who are expired who do not have notes and do not have outstanding fines from before 2006 (2005 on back) -- I have written it but I'm getting no results - I was querying the amountoutstanding field - is there another I should query? |
16:36 | * wizzyrea | just verified that as true (at least on her system) |
16:39 | is on pins and needles | |
16:39 | jwagner | wizzyrea, I didn't have days in advance set as zero -- I was setting to 5 days. |
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16:39 | wizzyrea | doh! |
16:39 | hey melanie | |
16:39 | well it works on mine :( | |
16:40 | jwagner | There has to be something real recent that broke this, but we haven't found it so far. |
16:40 | nengard | I'm working with melanie on the problem i mentioned above |
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16:43 | wizzyrea | I just tried to update my install, it said I had the most current version |
16:43 | is there maybe some jquery mucking it up? | |
16:43 | mucking the display? | |
16:44 | jwagner | This is a brand new install -- no jquery, no local code, no data copied from anywhere. |
16:44 | wizzyrea | bah! |
16:44 | jwagner | Bugzilla opened -- Bug 3776 |
16:44 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3776 blocker, P1, ---, dbavousettptfs.com, NEW, messaging options don't display/retain advance notice settings |
16:45 | wizzyrea | maybe this one jane? |
16:45 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]6d1e9465eaea473e7 | |
16:45 | bah, never mind | |
16:46 | jwagner | No, that has to do with the patron screen messages, not the notices. |
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17:03 | wizzyrea_mobile | Yay, our proper Internet is down. Stupid AT&T |
17:04 | 5 red rlos lights, thumbs up | |
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17:09 | wizzyrea | hurray! |
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18:09 | jdavidb | wizzyrea: do we need to velcro you in place? |
18:18 | wizzyrea | yea pretty much |
18:18 | * jdavidb | feels that it his not his day for patches. |
18:20 | breaks out some heavy-duty velcro, so wizzyrea won't go away any more. | |
18:20 | chris | hmm that can't be right |
18:21 | * jdavidb | fears |
18:21 | chris | We've been told there is one notice sent for each |
18:21 | item on the account... so if a patron had 5 overdue books, he/she would | |
18:21 | receive 5 seperate emails. Has anyone found a solution for this problem? | |
18:21 | that certainly hasn't been my experience ... anyone else ? | |
18:23 | jwagner | chris, the nightly cron for overdues lumps them all together, but if they're using something like the Item Due notice, it sends a separate one. Maybe that's what the poster was talking about? |
18:24 | chris | ahh ill ask, thanks jwagner |
18:24 | jdavidb | Hold pickup notices normally would not combine, either. |
18:25 | jwagner | If I remember right, advance notices don't either, although that's handled separately from things like Items Due. |
18:27 | chris | started the thread off, so if anyone else wants to chip in that would be cool :) |
18:39 | @wunder wellingon, nz | |
18:39 | munin | chris: Error: No such location could be found. |
18:39 | chris | @wunder wellington, nz |
18:39 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 07, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
18:39 | chris | i can't see any clouds ... that must be out by the airport |
18:40 | jdavidb | @wunder 20852 |
18:40 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 10.5�C (1:33 PM EST on November 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising). |
18:43 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
18:43 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 15.0�C (1:19 PM EST on November 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). Freeze warning in effect from 4 am to 9 am EST Saturday... |
18:51 | * jdavidb | chuckles, as he closes bug 3776 |
18:51 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3776 blocker, P1, ---, dbavousettptfs.com, RESOLVED INVALID, messaging options don't display/retain advance notice settings |
18:52 | chris | ahh, pebkac? |
18:53 | jwagner | Hey! I resemble that remark!!! |
18:53 | * jdavidb | promised he wouldn't say that where the user could hear it, so he doesn't say it, and asks that jwagner take note that he did not. |
18:53 | jwagner | In defense, I've never set up a system where they only wanted digests as an option. It didn't occur to me that you had to check both boxes :-( |
18:54 | chris | ahh, that is kinda confusing |
18:55 | jdavidb | With SMS turned off, only the one transport is showing, which probably doesn't help, either. might convince someone to redraw that table a bit more clearly, or error-check it. |
18:56 | * jdavidb | likes buts that close quick like that, though. |
18:56 | jdavidb | *bugs, even. |
18:56 | jwagner | It still puzzles me that the patron category setup saved it to the table, even without email checked. It just didn't display or apply it. |
19:11 | chris | yeah, silent fails are annoying |
19:15 | chris_n | chris: last evening's array foo fun turns out to be the result of an arrayref of hashrefs |
19:15 | chris | ahhh |
19:15 | chris_n | so not only did the array have to be de-ref'ed, but the hashes also |
19:15 | chris | that makes sense |
19:15 | chris_n | I was missing the hashes |
19:15 | chris | that is why the else worked |
19:15 | chris_n | actually the else only worked in one case.. :-P |
19:16 | which is what finally forced me to find the *real* problem | |
19:16 | chris | right |
19:16 | chris_n | perl -d was the magic that showed it up |
19:17 | if Dumper showed the memory addresses pointed to by the refs, it would have been quicker | |
19:18 | so if knowledge is power, I got a little more powerful in the realm of Perl for my trouble ;-) | |
19:20 | jwagner | Personally I'd prefer less power and less trouble :-( |
19:20 | But it's been a bad week overall.... | |
19:21 | * chris_n | hands jwagner some chocolates for consolation |
19:22 | jwagner | chris_n, I've already been on a steady chocolate diet since Monday (lots of leftover Halloween candy), so that may be part of the problem. But I appreciate the thought :-) |
19:31 | chris_n | wOOt!!! after many hours it works :-) |
19:31 | * chris_n | considers taking off coding this weekend to celebrate |
19:31 | chris | :) |
19:45 | * jdavidb | notices at the #koha IRC stats page (http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/) that jwagner is chattier than munin, but that he himself is not. |
19:45 | jwagner | @karma jdavidb |
19:45 | munin | jwagner: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
19:45 | jwagner | @karma jwagner |
19:45 | munin | jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8. |
19:47 | jwagner | (refraining from further comment....) |
19:47 | chris | heh |
19:47 | @karma | |
19:47 | munin | chris: Highest karma: "chris" (69), "owen" (60), and "gmcharlt" (59). Lowest karma: "<!" (-20), "failed" (-20), and "src="<!" (-10). You (chris) are ranked 1 out of 536. |
19:49 | jdavidb | @karma |
19:49 | munin | jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (69), "owen" (60), and "gmcharlt" (59). Lowest karma: "<!" (-20), "failed" (-20), and "src="<!" (-10). You (jdavidb) are ranked 32 out of 536. |
19:49 | jdavidb | 32..not bad. |
19:51 | chris_n | @karma |
19:51 | munin | chris_n: Highest karma: "chris" (69), "owen" (60), and "gmcharlt" (59). Lowest karma: "<!" (-20), "failed" (-20), and "src="<!" (-10). You (chris_n) are ranked 13 out of 536. |
19:52 | rhcl | @seen wizzyrea |
19:52 | munin | rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 33 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> yea pretty much |
19:53 | wizzyrea | yo rhcl |
19:53 | sup | |
19:54 | rhcl | Hey...our people are playing with koha, and they've talked about how with workflows they can be logged in on one instance as techserv and on a separate instance of workflows as circ, for example... |
19:54 | I'm thinking you can't do that in a web browser, short of starting another browser in another profile or using a different browser altoghether. Si or no? | |
19:55 | wizzyrea | um... |
19:55 | well | |
19:55 | chris | thats right |
19:55 | wizzyrea | why would you need to do that? |
19:55 | I"m just thinking about how koha is structured | |
19:55 | this may be a nonissue | |
19:55 | rhcl | Well, I donno, but I do know that June does it all the time in Workflows. |
19:55 | wizzyrea | what I would do |
19:55 | this is one person, right? | |
19:55 | rhcl | yes |
19:56 | jwagner | rchl, I've needed to do that a few times in testing feature development on granular permissions. In that case, I use IE to log in as one user, and Firefox to log in as the other. |
19:56 | wizzyrea | she would have a techsvcs acct correct? |
19:56 | so | |
19:56 | jwagner | Otherwise, I'm not sure it would come up in real-life use. |
19:56 | rhcl | june has the keys to the kingdom |
19:56 | wizzyrea | I would suggest she keep one window open with circ front and center |
19:56 | and another window open with cataloging front and center | |
19:56 | her login as techsvcs would allow both | |
19:56 | no reason to have two logins | |
19:56 | chris | (if you set its permissions to that) |
19:56 | wizzyrea | just use two windowss |
19:56 | right | |
19:57 | give her perms for both tasks, and use two windows with the same login | |
19:57 | rhcl | OK, tnx |
19:57 | wizzyrea | unless there's something about the situation that I'm not understanding |
19:57 | but I think that the firewall between the two functions in sirsi is a nonissue for koha | |
19:58 | rhcl | I just know that she does some things as "admin" in one WF, then other things <near>simultaneously in another WF as "techserv" |
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19:58 | wizzyrea | ah |
19:58 | chris | i think in koha you make her a real user |
19:58 | wizzyrea | then yea, just use two windows |
19:58 | chris | and give that user the appropriate permissions |
19:58 | wizzyrea | <- hasn't used sirsi in a long time |
19:58 | chris | instead of having 'roles' |
19:59 | wizzyrea | right, especially if she's a low flight risk employee |
19:59 | jwagner | The main thing I can think of in Unicorn would be report ownership -- if she normally logs in as TS, but needs to see other users' reports, she'd have to log in as Admin. |
19:59 | wizzyrea | NEKLS actually does role based users, circ, tech, and director |
19:59 | chris_n | owen++ # for a very cool units changing jquery script |
19:59 | chris | depends on how fine you want your audit trail |
20:00 | wizzyrea | yea |
20:00 | chris | if you want to know exactly who it was that issued the book that you had told them not to issue 8 times already |
20:00 | wizzyrea | I brought that up to our team, they said "eh, who cares" |
20:00 | chris | that having individual users is handy |
20:00 | wizzyrea | yepper |
20:00 | rhcl | yes, I think that's what we do. But I remember seeing DiannaAtchison logging in and out as different roles when she needed to show us different things. |
20:00 | chris | lots of nz libraries have volunteer staff |
20:00 | wizzyrea | well that's because the circ role doesn't have reports rights |
20:01 | chris | its good to be able to have individual logins for them |
20:01 | wizzyrea | or cataloging |
20:01 | but you could set june as a user with both roles | |
20:01 | and blammo | |
20:01 | all done | |
20:01 | and that stuff is all pretty granular | |
20:01 | and getting more so | |
20:02 | chris | yep |
20:02 | its starting to get really nice | |
20:02 | wizzyrea | rhcl that's just the way NEKLS does it, you can do it <sings> your way </sings> |
20:02 | * wizzyrea | whips out the top hat and cane |
20:03 | chris | id pay money to see that |
20:03 | wizzyrea | O.o |
20:03 | * wizzyrea | ponders a new career |
20:03 | chris | heh |
20:03 | rhcl | Burger King? |
20:03 | wizzyrea | *sob* |
20:03 | harsh, rhcl, harsh | |
20:03 | ;) | |
20:04 | chris | there is a burlesque house in wellington *grin* |
20:07 | jdavidb | I'm with chris. Seeing wizzyrea doing a song and dance would be a treat. ;-) |
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20:30 | chris_n | any jquery gurus out there? |
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21:03 | ftherese | hello... trying to install the git version of koha |
21:03 | chris_n | once again luck and fortune win out over skill and knowledge |
21:03 | ftherese | I get to the part about the sax_parser |
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21:03 | ftherese | it says that if I'm using PurePerl or Expat, you'll need to edit your |
21:03 | ini file, typically located at | |
21:04 | /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini | |
21:04 | problem is, I don't know what to do to this file | |
21:07 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "/etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini" (7 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/49 |
21:07 | chris_n | ftherese: mine looks like that ^^ |
21:07 | ftherese | ok |
21:08 | that seems to have fixed whether it uses sax or not | |
21:08 | but now the hash between what koha is expecting is different from the hash I have | |
21:09 | my SAX::Parser=HASH(0x81fe220) | |
21:09 | sorry KOHA WANTS = SAX:: Parser=HASH(0x81fe220) | |
21:09 | My hash SAX:: Parser=HASH(0x8881a58) | |
21:10 | says it looks good | |
21:10 | but maybe it is a different version or something | |
21:51 | is there an easy fix for DBD::SQLite2 failing on ak-dbd.t | |
21:52 | pianohackr|work | ftherese: not one that I know of offhand, but unless you'll be using offline circ, you shouldn't have to worry about that |
21:52 | ftherese | offline in what sense? |
21:52 | because we just might need that | |
21:53 | wizzyrea | there's a client for creating circulation files for when you cannot connect to your koha installation |
21:53 | pianohackr|work | right |
21:53 | wizzyrea | http://kylehall.info/index.php[…]line-circulation/ |
21:53 | pianohackr|work | you can checkout and checkin books and items, and then upload the changes once your installation is back online |
21:53 | it needs a nightly-updated database of patrons and items, tho | |
21:53 | which is where DBD::SQLite2 comes in | |
21:54 | wizzyrea | fwiw, it's almost as easy to just keep track of your items in a spreadsheet and do them manually when the system comes up |
21:54 | ftherese | so it is really that hard to fix? |
21:55 | well.. if no one else is using it, I can't imagine it is too important | |
21:55 | wizzyrea | I think it's safe to say that you can get by without it |
21:55 | pianohackr|work | ftherese: we've never used offline circ here (was much more needed with our old evil hosted sirsi install) |
21:55 | wizzyrea | of course, if you're like me you're like, "I can't go on! There's an error!!" :) |
21:56 | woe! | |
21:56 | ftherese | wizzyrea: yeah... I have that tendancy |
21:56 | what about dom vs grs1... I had some problems with zebra in my last install - had selected dom, which I would prefer if possible | |
21:57 | what kind of legacy are we talking about here? | |
21:57 | wizzyrea | when we've needed it, we've used spreadsheets to track patrons/items, just use the scanner to scan barcodes into the spreadsheet, then have someone go back when the system is up and enter the data |
21:58 | ftherese | grs1 is for legacy support, I don't think I need that, but just want to make sure that it is not perhaps part of my problem |
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22:37 | ftherese | I get this IMPORTANT notice with bulkmarcimport.pl |
22:37 | don't use this script before you've entered and checked your MARC | |
22:37 | parameters tables twice (or more!). | |
22:37 | any suggestions as to how I should do this? | |
22:39 | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | |
22:39 | the installer doesn't show up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
22:39 | this is very anoying!!!!!! | |
22:39 | I logged in, but /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl is a blanc page!!!! | |
22:39 | pianohackr|work | oh my |
22:39 | have you checked your error log? | |
22:40 | ftherese | oh |
22:40 | sorry... | |
22:40 | I had to reload the page | |
22:40 | I think it had my previous installation in cache | |
22:40 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
22:40 | ftherese | but now I can't install in french... |
22:40 | wizzyrea | :( |
22:41 | ftherese | how do I install in french? I got from the git repo |
22:41 | only en is available | |
22:42 | pianohackr|work | ftherese: (in your koha directory, with a command prompt) |
22:42 | cd misc/translator/ | |
22:43 | ./install-code.pl fr-FR | |
22:43 | wizzyrea | pianohackr|work it's a good thing you're here |
22:44 | hey ph, where is that documented? | |
22:44 | pianohackr|work | sure, you say that now |
22:44 | wizzyrea | b/c it should be |
22:44 | pianohackr|work | hmm. I learned it from chris, I don't think it's documented |
22:44 | wizzyrea | I always think it's good when you're around |
22:44 | well that's bad. | |
22:45 | should we put it on the wiki somewhere? | |
22:45 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: I think it's mainly only needed if you install from git, but yeah, it should be on the wiki |
22:45 | wizzyrea | "so you decided to install from git, you might need to do this" |
22:45 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: (plastic cheesecake attack!) |
22:45 | wizzyrea | AIEE!! |
22:45 | * wizzyrea | ducks |
22:45 | goes for the plastic cocktails | |
22:45 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: there's a guide for getting started with git, that would be a good place for it |
22:45 | hehe | |
22:45 | tho that was mainly joetho's fault | |
22:46 | wizzyrea | yes, yes it was |
22:46 | ftherese | lets see if that works |
22:46 | wizzyrea | I did somehow end up with said plastic cheesecake |
22:46 | pianohackr|work | that poor, traumatized waitress |
22:46 | yes, you did! you sat on the _wrong_ end of the table | |
22:46 | ftherese | it is copying a zillion things |
22:46 | pianohackr|work | yup, that's normal |
22:46 | wizzyrea | oh I know between nahuel wanting a bluedy steak |
22:46 | and joetho and the plastic cheesecake | |
22:47 | and owen on impending baby watch | |
22:47 | chris too for that matter. | |
22:47 | pianohackr|work | yeah, seriously |
22:52 | ftherese | ok... the web-installer still only shows en... |
22:53 | do I need to rebuild something pianohackr|work | |
22:54 | pianohackr|work | ftherese: what kind of install did you do? dev, simple or single? |
22:55 | standard, single or dev? rather | |
22:55 | ftherese | standard |
22:56 | oh | |
22:56 | do I need to remake it? | |
22:56 | after the language thing? | |
22:56 | pianohackr|work | Yes |
22:56 | ftherese | ok |
22:56 | wizzyrea | ph, I have an additional dumb question for you |
22:56 | ftherese | hey! |
22:56 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: no such thing as a dumb question :) |
22:56 | ftherese | lol |
22:57 | pianohackr|work | that is my mantra |
22:57 | only thing that's kept me and my coworkers alive and sane | |
22:57 | wizzyrea | if I wanted to add a template variable for 952$z (I always have dumb questions) in catalogue/detail.pl, I've never defined those and I don't think it's there already |
22:57 | how? | |
22:57 | we wanna show the note on the bib detail page | |
22:58 | (perhaps supplanting the copy number column) | |
22:58 | (mostly I just want to see if it can be done) | |
22:58 | at 4:57 on a friday, no less | |
22:58 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: it depends how the item information is being fetched |
22:59 | ftherese | it is Skiping all the files in make |
22:59 | pianohackr|work | basically, you just find what call the script uses, then make sure that that call retrieves that specific field from the database |
22:59 | ftherese | even the ones wit the fr-FR directory |
22:59 | pianohackr|work | hrm |
22:59 | you can do it manually | |
22:59 | ftherese | that is fine |
23:00 | where do I put the stuff | |
23:00 | pianohackr|work | cp -r koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr-FR /usr/share/koha/.../prog/ |
23:00 | basically, there should be a prog dir where the english templates were installed | |
23:00 | just copy the fr-FR directories for intranet and OPAC to the right places | |
23:01 | ftherese | ok |
23:01 | wizzyrea | you wanna put them right next to the en folder |
23:01 | pianohackr|work | yup |
23:01 | ftherese: are you going to be updating this install using git? | |
23:01 | if so, it would be easier to do a dev install | |
23:01 | wizzyrea | bah, I may revisit this next week... thanks for expending some brain cycles on it for me ph |
23:01 | ftherese | pianohackr|work: I just want to see if it will work |
23:01 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: np |
23:01 | ftherese: right :) | |
23:01 | ftherese | I still haven't been able to successfully import my data |
23:02 | pianohackr|work | ahh, I've wanted to send an email; one quick thing you might try is adding the -r flag to rebuild_zebra |
23:02 | ftherese | ok |
23:06 | hmmm installer still comes up with only en as option, but everything is in french... | |
23:06 | crap... and I hit next and it went back to english | |
23:06 | pianohackr|work | ftherese: ahh, it sounds like you might have copied the french data into the english folder |
23:06 | ftherese | I didn't do any copying |
23:06 | I let the installation progie take care of it | |
23:07 | when I redid make install I saw it copy those things | |
23:07 | pianohackr|work | what does ls /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog show? |
23:07 | (I think that's the right directory for a standard install) | |
23:08 | ftherese | en fr-FR img |
23:09 | I restarted the webserver | |
23:09 | still have only en as an option | |
23:11 | pianohackr|work: I don't know perl works, but I am looking at the install.pl | |
23:11 | pianohackr|work | I'm taking a look at getTranslatedLanguages, which this depends on |
23:12 | ftherese | use C4::Languages qw(getAllLanguages getTranslatedLanguages); |
23:12 | pianohackr|work | I admit that I've only done English installs before and am doing this a bit seat-of-the-pants |
23:12 | You might want to ask the list for help; one of the bibLibre or other folk that deal with translations might be more helpful | |
23:12 | ftherese | where is getTranslatedLanguages |
23:12 | pianohackr|work | C4/Languages.pm |
23:13 | ftherese | and where is that? |
23:13 | pianohackr|work | koha source directory |
23:14 | ftherese: chris, hdl, ricardo and paul_p are all more involved with translation work than I | |
23:14 | ftherese | hmmm |
23:15 | I am going to try make clean | |
23:15 | and then remake | |
23:15 | pianohackr|work | *shrug* it's worth a shot |
23:24 | ftherese | pianohackr|work: there are a couple other scripts in misc translator... do you think I need to run any of them? |
23:25 | pianohackr|work | install-code should take care of the whole process (to my knowledge) |
23:25 | ftherese | ok |
23:25 | but if it doesn't ;) | |
23:39 | still can't choose French after uninstalling and reinstalling | |
23:39 | I think I have to give up for this evening | |
23:54 | pianohackr|work | good night to you too then :) |
23:54 | pianohackr|work left #koha |
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