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| 00:29 | chris | back |
| 00:40 | brendan | cya in a bit #koha |
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| 03:08 | brendan | hi Amit |
| 03:08 | Amit | heya brendan |
| 03:09 | heya chris | |
| 03:20 | chris_n | only on a network running M$ does the network admin have to stay up late to install AV software :-P |
| 03:45 | brendan | chris_n -- so true |
| 03:49 | chris_n | chris about? |
| 03:49 | hi brendan | |
| 04:00 | chris | am now chris_n |
| 04:01 | chris_n | chris: have you used Catalyst? |
| 04:02 | chris | not in anger |
| 04:02 | chris_n | hehe |
| 04:02 | chris | ive poked with it, and liked what i saw |
| 04:02 | dbix::class and TT are steps along the way | |
| 04:02 | if we decide to move Koha that route | |
| 04:03 | chris_n | I'm beginning an in-house app and thought I might use it for that |
| 04:03 | chris | oh def, if i was starting a project yep i would be looking at catalyst |
| 04:03 | chris_n | what I'm reading about it sounds nice |
| 04:03 | chris | its like rails .. without the performance hit |
| 04:04 | chris_n | it appears that it would be a ton of work to move koha over to it |
| 04:04 | chris | yes, piles |
| 04:05 | so first steps are take some of its good things Template Toolkit etc | |
| 04:05 | then maybe move the opac to it, then module by module | |
| 04:05 | chris_n | yeah, TT looks much nicer than T::P |
| 04:06 | chris | *nod* we gain lots of neat tricks we can do with caching rendered fragments of templates too |
| 04:08 | chris_n | well, I'm off to catch sleep; tnx for the input |
| 04:08 | chris | np, sleep well |
| 04:08 | pianohacker | see ya, chris_n |
| 04:09 | chris_n | g'night pianohacker (must be a late schoolwork night :-) |
| 04:09 | pianohacker | heh. just a bit :) |
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| 04:39 | pianohacker | okay. good night, all |
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| 05:37 | Ropuch | Morning, #koha |
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| 05:59 | chris | *sigh* |
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| 06:37 | sanelib | hello everyone |
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| 07:12 | kf | morning #koha |
| 07:13 | Ropuch | Morning, kf |
| 07:13 | kf | morning Ropuch |
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| 07:25 | login | morning |
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| 07:54 | Amit | hi kf, paul_p |
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| 08:10 | login | helloo |
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| 08:39 | |Lupin| | hi all |
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| 09:07 | kf | hi Amit, |Lupin| |
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| 09:23 | |Lupin| | guten morgen kf |
| 09:24 | Amit | hi lupin |
| 09:24 | heya nahuel | |
| 09:24 | nahuel | hi |
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| 09:27 | |Lupin| | could someone please help me with the C4::Items::ModItem function ? |
| 09:27 | I'm wondering whether its last arg should be an array ref or a hashref... | |
| 09:27 | can someone clarify ? nahuel perhaps ? | |
| 09:28 | nahuel | I'm calling |
| 09:28 | 2s | |
| 09:28 | |Lupin| | nahuel: sure ! |
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| 10:29 | |Lupin| | lunch |
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| 10:39 | kf | survey: one institution one vote one person one vote? |
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| 10:57 | kf | hm. just not sure if I should forward the survey in our institution too or at least to my colleagues involved in our koha project |
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| 12:04 | jwagner | Good morning all. |
| 12:05 | nengard, see email to list -- I can't find that holdCancelLength is implemented anywhere in the code. | |
| 12:05 | nengard | jwagner - well that would make the whole question moot |
| 12:06 | you should report a bug for that - so that we can get that out of there before 3.2 releases | |
| 12:07 | jwagner | But it's a useful idea and probably should be implemented somewhere -- if somebody's had a hold on an item for like a year and it's never been triggered, shouldn't that hold get wiped eventually? |
| 12:11 | kf | good morning nengard and jwagner |
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| 12:15 | kf | nengard: I was not sure who can vote on the survey - one vote / organisation or everybody? |
| 12:16 | nengard | one vote every person |
| 12:16 | CGI992 | men+men |
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| 12:18 | CGI992 | gay + gay = LOVE :) |
| 12:20 | kf | nengard: thx :) |
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| 12:26 | jdavidb | @seen rhcl |
| 12:26 | munin | jdavidb: rhcl was last seen in #koha 1 day, 19 hours, 41 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <rhcl> slef: amazing. Thanks. |
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| 12:38 | schuster | nengard good job on the survey. I had a specific opinion on this, and when it comes to second choices it was hard as I really didn't know enough about the other 2 options that I liked as to what the best option would be. So I am concerned about the general public filling out this form and not understanding all of the issues behind it. |
| 12:39 | That's coming from someone who has tried to keep up with the formation of this foundation - and someone who has been involved with setting up a foundation... | |
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| 12:45 | nengard | schuster - that's why we gave time to research the other options :) But also - this time around your didn't have to pick options you were unfamiliar with or unhappy with |
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| 12:47 | schuster | nengard again good job... |
| 12:47 | nengard | thanks |
| 12:48 | owen | Hi folks |
| 12:49 | Colin | morning/afternoon/evening all |
| 12:54 | jdavidb | Hi, Colin! :) |
| 12:54 | Howdy, owen. :) | |
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| 13:03 | owen | Can anyone help me understand this error I get when I run rebuild_zebra.pl? |
| 13:03 | 08:01:56-15/10 zebraidx(21880) [warn] record.abs:67: Bad # of args to melm | |
| 13:04 | jdavidb | What's record.abs line 67 look like? |
| 13:05 | owen | In etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios ? Is that the right place to look? |
| 13:05 | jdavidb | yup! :) |
| 13:06 | owen | Line 67 is commented out: #melm 035 Local-number,Identifier-standard |
| 13:07 | jdavidb | Hm. what about the one in ../authorities? |
| 13:07 | Oh! The line above...what's it look like? | |
| 13:08 | owen | melm 034 Map-scale |
| 13:08 | jdavidb | Well, that *looks* right. hrm. |
| 13:08 | owen | What's strange is this is the test system I've been using for ages |
| 13:09 | ...unless a git update changed this file I haven't. | |
| 13:09 | jdavidb | git pull's wouldn't. I think there's a make target for updating the indexes, but I've never used it. |
| 13:17 | Colin | last changes to it were May/June |
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| 14:15 | owen | Hi CGI280 |
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| 14:26 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
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| 14:27 | jdavidb | Hi, chris_n |
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| 14:32 | |Lupin| | hi again, everybody |
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| 14:33 | cc is now known as Colin | |
| 14:34 | jdavidb | Hi, |Lupin| ! :) |
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| 14:44 | |Lupin| | hello jdavidb :) |
| 14:44 | guys | |
| 14:44 | anybody knows how to remove an item from Koha without using the web interface ? | |
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| 14:51 | Ropuch | |Lupin|: you can always use sql |
| 14:51 | Hi paul_p | |
| 14:51 | Colin | Lupin: DelItem in Items.pm |
| 14:51 | |Lupin| | Ropuch: I'm not sure it's that simple because I believe the items are also added to the marc(xml) fields somehow... |
| 14:52 | Colin | Yes you also might want to add it to deleteditems |
| 14:53 | |Lupin| | Colin: the thing is that the item has been incorrectly added: I think no item number has been inserted in it's marc record... I think.. |
| 14:53 | Colin: no I'd like to just get rid of it completely | |
| 14:55 | Colin | Is there any trace in the marc record? |
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| 15:19 | |Lupin| | Colin: let me check... |
| 15:27 | Colin: there is a 995 field in biblioitems.marcxml but nothing in items.more_subfields_xml | |
| 15:27 | Actually removing all the items but keeping the biblio records untouched would be great | |
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| 15:44 | Colin | Lupin in that case I think you can just remove them from the items table |
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| 15:54 | fredericd | |Lupin|: If you have 995 tags in marcxml you need to suppress them with related items table records: that's what DelItem function is for... |
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| 15:55 | |Lupin| | fredericd: yes, I just wrote a purgeitems.pl script which should have done the jub just fine |
| 15:55 | pianohacker | good morning |
| 15:55 | |Lupin| | Colin: thanks |
| 15:55 | owen | Hi pianohacker |
| 15:55 | pianohacker | hi, owen |
| 15:55 | |Lupin| | hey Jesse. HOw are your ifngers ? |
| 15:56 | pianohacker | good, healing bit by bit |
| 15:56 | how are you, owen, |Lupin|? | |
| 15:56 | * |Lupin| | is okay, thanks |
| 15:57 | |Lupin| | fredericd: hmm actually it seems that the script hasn't removed anything... |
| 15:58 | fredericd: hmm no i t fact it has removed the items form the items table, but they seem to still appear as 995 fields... | |
| 15:59 | fredericd | |Lupin|: After suppressing all items, your items table must be empty. If item table is empty, and item seem to still be present in biblio record, it may be an indexing issue with zebra |
| 15:59 | you can check by trying to edit a record (not display on result page) | |
| 15:59 | pianohacker | well, items are stored as holdings tags regardless of zebra |
| 16:00 | |Lupin| | fredericd: hmm I won't be able to do record edition with lynx... |
| 16:00 | pianohacker | if you want to get rid of items, you have to remove those holdings tags. the api will do all of this for you if you're deleting one-at-a-time |
| 16:01 | fredericd | pianohacker: If you suppress 995 (952 in MARC21) tags in bibioitems.marcxml fields, they may still be extracted from zebra until all biblio record are reindexed |
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| 16:01 | fredericd | on OPAC result page for example |
| 16:05 | |Lupin| | brb |
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| 16:12 | owen | Why does the Koha installer default to "grs1" for Zebra indexing when it says it's for legacy support? |
| 16:15 | Colin | owen: I can't think of a good reason and I've seen folk update an install and set it back to grs as a result |
| 16:16 | owen | Colin: You mean by mistake? |
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| 16:22 | owen | Okay, got some warnings: "Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite DBD::SQLite2 0.33 not found." (and others) |
| 16:23 | Does that mean these weren't included in "ubuntu.packages," or did I miss a step? | |
| 16:24 | pianohacker | owen: DBD::SQLite2, at least, is a fairly new dependency; it might not have been added to the package list yet |
| 16:25 | owen | What's the best way to acquire these? When I see a name like "DBD::SQLite2" I assume I can't just apt-get that name |
| 16:26 | pianohacker | owen: you can try apt-cache search sqlite2 |
| 16:26 | often, though, perl packages are named something like libdbd-sqlite2-perl | |
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| 16:29 | ColinC | owen: I did mean by mistake. It's a potential trap |
| 16:30 | |Lupin| | owen: apt-cache search DBD::SQLite2 |
| 16:30 | owen | Okay, found libdbd-sqlite2-perl |
| 16:31 | |Lupin| | owen: that one does not seem to be packaged, but in general apt-cache search themodulename works, with the module name displayed by the makefile |
| 16:32 | owen | Also on my list: HTTP::OAI, IPC::Cmd, JSON, Memoize::Memcached, Test::More, and XML::SAX::Writer |
| 16:33 | |Lupin| | owen: some of them are not packaged |
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| 16:33 | |Lupin| | owen: what I generally do is that when apt-cache search modulename does not return anything meaningful, I do a cpan modulename |
| 16:35 | owen: there is also the case where the module is packaged for Debian but is present with a version too low for KOha. IN that case, chris recommends to use dh-perl-make to build a debian package from the Perl sources. With this method you allow the distribution to update the package, should it once become more recent than the one you built yourself | |
| 16:36 | fredericd: ok, I just checked the database and the items are still present in the xml field although the items table is empty... | |
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| 16:38 | owen | Thanks |Lupin|. How would I know if that was the case? |
| 16:41 | |Lupin| | owen: the makefile would tell you that it needs version x.y but only version z.t was found |
| 16:42 | owen | Okay |
| 16:44 | |Lupin| | any idea about how to remove these remaining item fields in the xml columns, please ? |
| 16:46 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: You would have to write a basic perl script to go through each record and remove the 995 tags (using MARC::Record) |
| 16:46 | |Lupin| | hmm, gotta run, will see this later... bye ! |
| 16:46 | pianohacker | bye, |Lupin| |
| 16:46 | owen | Thanks |Lupin| |
| 16:47 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: but then once the 995 field is removed, how which function should be called to update the xml things ? |
| 16:47 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: ModRecordMarc is the name, i believe |
| 16:47 | it's in C4::Biblio | |
| 16:47 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ah ok, thanks a lot !! |
| 16:47 | pianohacker | np |
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| 16:49 | kf | bye #koha |
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| 17:08 | CGI522 | hello!! |
| 17:08 | is anyone live here? | |
| 17:08 | I need some help with Koha... | |
| 17:08 | pianohacker | alive, that's questionable |
| 17:09 | CGI522 | :) |
| 17:09 | jdavidb | Present, yes. Alive...maybe. |
| 17:09 | CGI522 | you're speaking - that's a good sign:) |
| 17:09 | pianohacker | but we can help. what would you like help with? |
| 17:10 | CGI522 | I need to change a password for staff client - for kohaadmin, can't find the option... |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | CGI522: what version of koha are you running? |
| 17:11 | CGI522 | 3.00.01.005 |
| 17:11 | pianohacker | okay. since koha uses the kohaadmin username and password to access the mysql database, you have to change it in mysql first |
| 17:12 | CGI522 | on the server? |
| 17:12 | pianohacker | yes |
| 17:12 | CGI522 | eh... that's exactly what I was afraid of - can't catch the goddamn sysadmin...:) |
| 17:12 | pianohacker | ahhh |
| 17:12 | okay | |
| 17:14 | just let him know that he has to change the password for the kohaadmin user in mysql, then put the new password in the <password> element at the bottom of /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml | |
| 17:14 | or wherever it was installed | |
| 17:15 | CGI522 | thanks a lot, pianohacker:) |
| 17:15 | oh | |
| 17:15 | onemore thing | |
| 17:15 | sincec I'm already here:) | |
| 17:15 | pianohacker | shoot |
| 17:16 | CGI522 | barcode |
| 17:16 | pianohacker | indeed, barcodes |
| 17:16 | CGI522 | I know I can switch that option on and off, but how can I assign barcoded to already catalogued biblios? |
| 17:17 | pianohacker | CGI522: hmm. you can edit the items of each individual biblio, but if you want to do it in a batch, you'd have to do some perl programming |
| 17:19 | CGI522 | Good Lolrd, the computer is gonna restart now, I'm gonna kill the sysadmin:) didn't leave me option to cancel it:((( I'll be back in a minute. pianohacker, don't forget your words, brb |
| 17:19 | pianohacker | okay |
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| 17:28 | CGI875 | I'm back:0 |
| 17:28 | so, pianohacker, I suppose this programming should be done on the server as well? | |
| 17:29 | pianohacker | yes. |
| 17:30 | CGI875 | could you tell me what to do exactly? :) |
| 17:31 | pianohacker | it's a bit involved, and assumes you have perl scripting experience |
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| 17:31 | CGI875 | ok, I don't, but I neeed to assign the barcodes anyway...:( |
| 17:32 | pianohacker | hrm. are you working from an import, or is this an existing installation? |
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| 17:33 | CGI875 | the latter |
| 17:34 | pianohacker | things get trickier, then. just out of curiosity, why are they lacking barcodes? |
| 17:38 | CGI875 | I was told that all the material's gonna be only reference, and the dean told me not to bother with the barcodes, so I left the option off. Now he wants to circulate all the staff (it's a new small library, and they are still not certain what they want, ,,so they find job ffor me all the time:)) |
| 17:38 | pianohacker | (right, I know that feeling very well...) |
| 17:39 | okay. will these reference books be getting physical barcodes? | |
| 17:39 | CGI875 | yyeep |
| 17:39 | the keyboard is killing mee:) I''m sorry, it doublles al the letters.... | |
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| 17:40 | pianohacker | it might be easier to assign them manually by editing each individual biblio then try to find some way to assign them accurately in a script |
| 17:40 | I'm typing one-handed, so believe it or not i sympathize | |
| 17:40 | :) | |
| 17:41 | CGI875 | oh man..:) |
| 17:41 | ok the script - what script:) | |
| 17:41 | sorry, Koha is all new to me, just started using it last week:) | |
| 17:42 | chris_n | gmcharlt about? |
| 17:42 | @last gmcharlt | |
| 17:42 | munin | chris_n: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message) |
| 17:42 | pianohacker | @seen gmcharlt |
| 17:42 | chris_n | @seen gmcharlt |
| 17:42 | munin | pianohacker: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> hi Amit (and goodbye for moment, about to board airplane) |
| 17:42 | chris_n: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> hi Amit (and goodbye for moment, about to board airplane) | |
| 17:42 | chris_n | hehe |
| 17:42 | pianohacker | heh |
| 17:43 | CGI875: pretty much any way you do it will involve heartache and a fair amount of labor. what's the size of your collection? | |
| 17:44 | CGI875 | its about 70 biblios so far:) not much, so I guess I'll survive:) |
| 17:44 | chris_n | @later gmcharlt I had to submit and additional patch for bug 3706; would you be so kind as to push it when you have a moment? tnx |
| 17:45 | munin | chris_n: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 17:45 | chris_n | @later tell gmcharlt I had to submit and additional patch for bug 3706; would you be so kind as to push it when you have a moment? tnx |
| 17:45 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:45 | pianohacker | CGI875: oh, okay. if you haven't banged your head against perl before, for a collection that size it would be much easier to do it manually imho |
| 17:45 | chris_n | missing lunch will really mess with your mind :-P |
| 17:46 | CGI875 | okay, will do:) so first i will have to swith the option on< and then start editing? is it in the iTEM EDITING? |
| 17:47 | the keyboard is getting worse:) | |
| 17:47 | pianohacker | CGI875: you shouldn't have to switch it on... do you mean the autobarcode system preference? |
| 17:47 | CGI875 | yes, that one |
| 17:48 | pianohacker | CGI875: ahh, okay. you want that to stay off; all it controls is whether barcodes are automatically assigned by koha |
| 17:48 | you only want it if you're printing barcode labels from within koha | |
| 17:49 | CGI875 | ohhhh right... |
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| 17:50 | CGI875 | since i didn't any barcodes yet, I can still deecide which way to do it... would koha's autobarcodee be easier? |
| 17:50 | pianohacker | you just have to go to each biblio, then click edit -> edit items |
| 17:51 | wait, did you say that they had physical barcodes (not isbns) on them already? | |
| 17:51 | CGI875 | yes |
| 17:51 | no | |
| 17:51 | no there's only ISBN, no barcodes sticked on them | |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | ok then |
| 17:52 | you can do it two ways | |
| 17:52 | CGI875 | so I still can decide which way to do it - autobarcode and then print them out, or stick them frist and then print them in:) |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | right |
| 17:52 | CGI875 | good, so which way is easier?:) |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | pre-printed barcodes involve little work and are not at all expensive |
| 17:53 | CGI875 | okay... |
| 17:53 | now... there's a problem | |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | ? |
| 17:53 | CGI875 | I already placedd the order and didnt order any barcodees:))) |
| 17:54 | so I guess I will have to print them out:)) | |
| 17:54 | pianohacker | CGI875: order? |
| 17:54 | CGI875 | i mean librrary supplies |
| 17:55 | pianohacker | ahh, okay |
| 17:55 | time pressure? :) | |
| 17:55 | CGI875 | you got me:) |
| 17:56 | so do i need to autobarcode in this case>? | |
| 17:57 | pianohacker | okay, guess you don't have much choice for this batch then. you can switch it on for now, make barcodes with autobarcode then print them (the manual at koha.org is very helpful for this) |
| 17:57 | I recommend pre-printed for the future, but you'll have to see which option works better | |
| 17:57 | CGI875 | okay... |
| 17:58 | uff... I'm all confused here :) but you helped me a lot, thanks, pianohacker:) | |
| 17:58 | pianohacker | no problem, happy to help |
| 17:58 | good luck | |
| 17:58 | CGI875 | don't mind if I trouble you again in the future?:) |
| 17:59 | pianohacker | I'm not always here, but #koha is always open |
| 17:59 | CGI875 | okay! take care:0 |
| 17:59 | pianohacker | you too |
| 17:59 | CGI875 | :) |
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| 18:39 | chris_n | go HLT |
| 18:39 | opps ;-) | |
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| 18:55 | owen | Okay, my go at installing Koha on Ubuntu has gone better today, I've gotten further this time. |
| 18:55 | Now I'm hung up on the Apache config | |
| 18:56 | Warning: DocumentRoot [/etc/apache2/__OPAC_WWW_DIR__] does not exist | |
| 18:57 | brendan | owen do you do a koha-dev install ? |
| 18:57 | owen | yes |
| 18:57 | brendan | if so I think you'll need to copy the koha-httpd.conf file from koha-dev |
| 18:57 | not kohaclone | |
| 18:58 | chris | what he said |
| 18:58 | owen | Ah, I'll bet you're right |
| 18:58 | chris | probably /home/owen/koha-dev/etc/ |
| 18:59 | (they live out there so that they dont get overwritten when you do a git fetch/rebase) | |
| 18:59 | brendan | then when you get to zebra daemon part -- you'll most like need to edit you koha-zebra-ctl.sh file a little bit |
| 18:59 | but we can help you out when you get there :) | |
| 18:59 | yup what chris said | |
| 18:59 | morning chris | |
| 19:00 | chris | so, im gonna write up a report on the lianza conference for my bosses today, reckon i should send it to the koha-devel list too? |
| 19:00 | sekjal | hey, neat, I was just doing a new dev install for my test system, and was wondering about some of the set up |
| 19:00 | brendan | would be cool |
| 19:00 | sekjal | chris: yes |
| 19:00 | chris | will do |
| 19:01 | sekjal: i will drop you an email sometime today, to do an introduction to the system librarian at Waikato Uni here, they are considering Koha in the future and he would like to chat to you about how you guys did it | |
| 19:01 | if thats ok | |
| 19:02 | sekjal | chris: that's more than ok. happy to talk about my experiences |
| 19:02 | chris | excellent |
| 19:02 | sekjal | some local NY-area folks are looking to have a meeting, too |
| 19:02 | chris | ok, time to catch my bus, back in a bit |
| 19:02 | sekjal | later, chris |
| 19:03 | there are also the two meetings in Hartford, CT that Nate from ByWater tipped me off to | |
| 19:03 | looking forward to those | |
| 19:07 | chris_n | owen++ #for doing a self-install :-) |
| 19:07 | owen | It's about time ;) |
| 19:12 | Should I be concerned about this error? "apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" | |
| 19:13 | brendan | not too concerned |
| 19:13 | just something to do with your hosts setting -- but should work for you | |
| 19:13 | pianohacker | owen: I've had that exact error on my ubuntu koha install for quite some time. should probably fix it, but it hasn't caused any problems |
| 19:15 | owen | pianohacker: So you use 127.0.0.1:80 and :8080 to access your opac and staff client? |
| 19:16 | pianohacker | owen: 8000 and 8080, but yes |
| 19:20 | owen | What do you know, it's actually working. |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | hey, awesome |
| 19:21 | brendan | sweet |
| 19:21 | now onto zebra :) | |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | very satisfying to get a koha install running on your own |
| 19:21 | brendan | cheers to that |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | brendan: that's just cruel |
| 19:22 | brendan | :) |
| 19:22 | jwagner | Quick question -- have to run back to my meeting. Koha should be able to place a hold on a title which has no items attached, correct? |
| 19:23 | I could swear I've seen that functionality. | |
| 19:23 | pianohacker | jwagner: i'm not sure. it can place a biblio-level hold, but might list a biblio with no items as unavailable |
| 19:24 | owen | As far as I know pianohacker is right, the interface will not offer you the hold link if no items are attached |
| 19:24 | jwagner | That's what I'm trying to do -- a title (next available) hold, but it's complaining about not having any items attached. |
| 19:24 | Drat. Thanks, owen & pianohacker. I was afraid of that answer.... Now to work around it..... | |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | jwagner: you create an "on order" item |
| 19:26 | they can put a hold on that item but it won't hit pick lists until it's changed from "on order" | |
| 19:26 | that's how we do holds on items that don't physically exist yet | |
| 19:27 | maybe a better question: what workflow are you trying to accommodate? | |
| 19:28 | owen: I've had that same error on my ubuntu installs forever. I haven't bothered to try to fix it either | |
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| 19:33 | richard | hi |
| 19:33 | pianohacker | hello, richard |
| 19:33 | richard | hi pianohacker |
| 19:39 | brendan | hi richard |
| 19:39 | richard | hey brendan |
| 19:39 | sekjal | if I'm doing a dev-install on the same server on which I have a production installation, do I need to muck around with my koha-httpd.conf file a lot? |
| 19:40 | pianohacker | sekjal: not really. just copy-paste the two virtualhost sections and edit the servername and setenv lines |
| 19:40 | brendan | not too much -- I just enable a second site |
| 19:40 | pianohacker | and documentroots and whatnot, of course |
| 19:41 | sekjal | ah, okay. that's what I've done |
| 19:41 | I just haven't done it right yet... | |
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| 19:42 | pianohacker | sekjal: what's going wrong? |
| 19:43 | sekjal | my document root was bad, and restarting apache caused my production instance to disappear |
| 19:43 | pianohacker | yikes |
| 19:43 | sekjal | fortunately, I got it back up before anyone complained |
| 19:43 | brendan | :) |
| 19:43 | sekjal | still, kinda freaky |
| 19:43 | pianohacker | I've done the fix-apache-conf scramble before |
| 19:45 | sekjal | so, for a dev-install, my document root is going to be much different, isn't it? |
| 19:46 | pianohacker | yes |
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| 19:52 | sekjal | yar, so many ScriptAliases.... |
| 19:53 | pianohacker | the first is the only one you have to change, the others depend on it |
| 20:00 | jwagner | wizzyrea, back from my meeting again -- could you send me a description of how your workflow goes? That would be a big help. |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | jwagner: sure, gimme a min |
| 20:04 | chris | back |
| 20:10 | brendan | wb chris |
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| 20:14 | ricardo | Hi everyone! |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | hi ricardo |
| 20:14 | brendan | hi ricardo |
| 20:15 | * brendan | is disliking IE for messing with my templates |
| 20:15 | ricardo | I'm having a problem here in a machine with Koha 3.0.3 (in SLES 11). SLES = SUSE Linux Enterprise Server |
| 20:15 | "make install" seems to be "stuck": | |
| 20:15 | brendan | looks so nice in Firefox -- but "crappy" with IE |
| 20:15 | pianohacker | you need another reason to dislike ie? |
| 20:15 | ricardo | ~/koha-3.00.03 # make install |
| 20:15 | /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" fix-perl-path.PL blib | |
| 20:16 | (and then... no more output) | |
| 20:16 | pianohacker | ricardo: how long has it been running |
| 20:16 | ricardo | pianohacker: 2 minutes, maybe |
| 20:16 | pianohacker | also, can you check to see if it's doing anything with top? |
| 20:16 | brendan | ricardo -- did you ever get zebra to run on SUSE |
| 20:16 | pianohacker | the blib fixing part will take some time |
| 20:17 | ricardo | brendan: Nope... I quit trying to set up Zebra in openSUSE. I don't predict resuming that battle in the next several months (if at all). Why? |
| 20:17 | brendan | just curious if you ever did --- I gave that battle up like a year and half ago and switched to debian full-time |
| 20:18 | ricardo | brendan: Yeah, I understand that ("path of least resistance") |
| 20:18 | brendan | :) |
| 20:18 | ricardo | pianohacker: OK, thanks for the info |
| 20:18 | pianohacker | not sure why you're fighting so hard just to stay in the land of (shiver) RPM, but to each his own :) |
| 20:20 | ricardo | pianohacker: The place I work uses SuSE.... And, actually, I don't have anything against "rpm" (you have"yast" / "zypper" on top of if, to take care of dependencies... like you have "yum" in Red Hat / Fedora... or "aptitude", "synaptic" and others for "deb"s in the "Debian World") |
| 20:23 | @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri! The "koha-br" and "koha-pt" mailing lists have no messages posted yet. So, it doesn't seem necessary to announce the Koha Ballot there | |
| 20:23 | munin | ricardo: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:24 | ricardo | pianohacker: Yay! The "blib" stuff finished. I think a warning about this delay could be nice (or better still, some descriptive output about each step being done) |
| 20:27 | Ropuch | Agreed, when compiling the first time i was about to kill the process too |
| 20:29 | ricardo | Ropuch: Right. Thanks for confirming it :) |
| 20:30 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 20:30 | It's quite a moment before some output starts to show up on the screen | |
| 20:30 | ricardo | Ropuch: Yep... In my case, it took several MINUTES |
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| 20:30 | Ropuch | I kn ow patience is a librarian's virtue, but.. ;> |
| 20:30 | ricardo | Ropuch: LOL! |
| 20:32 | Ropuch | I had to work with win 3.11 (1999!) in my library while studying, as students we were sure this is Path of teaching Patience ;-P |
| 20:33 | ricardo | Ropuch: eheheh... |
| 20:33 | Hmmm... It seems that I have this installation "botched up" somehow: | |
| 20:33 | [Thu Oct 15 21:31:26 2009] [error] [client 10.1.2.3] [Thu Oct 15 21:31:26 2009] mainpage.pl: HTML::Template::Pro:template doc-head-open.inc not found! at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 70, referer: http://myhost:8080/cgi-bin/koh[…]ences.pl?tab=OPAC | |
| 20:35 | Just what I needed in the day before a presentation :-( | |
| 20:37 | (Running "updatedb"... because I want to find some files now, and I admit I like "locate" better than "find") | |
| 20:42 | Ropuch | /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/doc-head-open.inc |
| 20:43 | ricardo | Ropuch: Cool... Thanks. The weird part is that I *do* have that file :-/ |
| 20:43 | pianohacker | bbl |
| 20:43 | Ropuch | mainpage.pl line 70, let me see |
| 20:43 | ricardo | pianohacker: OK |
| 20:43 | Ropuch: It's the last line of that mainpage.pl file | |
| 20:44 | Something like "output_http_with_headers" | |
| 20:44 | Ropuch | output_html_with_http_headers $query, $cookie, $template->output; |
| 20:44 | yup | |
| 20:45 | * chris_n | needs a stronger brand of bug spray... :-P |
| 20:45 | ricardo | chris_n: LOL! |
| 20:46 | Talking about bugs, the log files mention some "pt-BR" files... and the Brazilian translation ("pt-PT") one, AFAIK, hasn't been done yet... only the standard European Portuguese one ("pt-PT") | |
| 20:46 | I guess I'll have to check if this is fixed in git, for 3.0.4 | |
| 20:47 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/pt_BR/ |
| 20:48 | only the opacs have been done | |
| 20:48 | ricardo | chris: Hi Chris! You're right... I thought that NOT even the OPAC was done for "pt-BR" had been done. |
| 20:50 | Now, I wonder why Koha is searching "pt-BR" in this 3.0.3 install... Because I'm having problems seeing the web pages for the Intranet part, I'll have to look directly at the MySQL database | |
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| 20:50 | chris | check what languages you have enabled in sysprefs |
| 20:52 | ricardo | mysql> select variable from systempreferences where variable LIKE '%languages'; |
| 20:52 | opaclanguages | |
| 20:52 | mysql> select variable from systempreferences where variable LIKE '%language%'; | |
| 20:52 | language | |
| 20:52 | opaclanguages | |
| 20:52 | opaclanguagesdisplay | |
| 20:52 | chris | id check what values you have set for them |
| 20:53 | ricardo | chris: *nod* |
| 20:53 | * chris_n | greets chris |
| 20:53 | ricardo | "language" is set to "en" |
| 20:53 | "opaclanguages" is set to "pt-PT,en" | |
| 20:54 | "opaclanguagesdisplay" is set to "1" (ON) | |
| 20:54 | chris | that all looks ok |
| 20:54 | * ricardo | asks chris_n to hand him his bug spray can ;-) |
| 20:54 | ricardo | chris: right |
| 20:56 | Here's a log entry that (strangely) mentions "pt-BR": | |
| 20:56 | [Thu Oct 15 21:43:32 2009] [error] [client 10.1.2.3] File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-BR/lib, referer: http://myhost:8080/cgi-bin/koh[…]tempreferences.pl | |
| 20:58 | Ropuch | True |
| 20:58 | I have only css and modules in pt-BR | |
| 20:58 | chris | id delete the whole pt-BR folder |
| 20:58 | then that error will go away | |
| 20:58 | (since there is nothing in it anyway, you dont lose anything) | |
| 20:59 | chris_n | chris: some mailing list weirdness... I seem to get send copies of emails I send to the list now? (or is it me that's confused?) |
| 21:00 | ricardo | usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog # mv pt-BR old_pt_br |
| 21:00 | chris | which mailing list? |
| 21:00 | koha-devel? | |
| 21:00 | chris_n | dev list |
| 21:00 | chris | you'll have to ask hdl, he looks after that one |
| 21:00 | chris_n | ahh, tnx |
| 21:00 | ricardo | chris: Yep, that solved it. Thanks! :) |
| 21:01 | chris: I'm still worried that there was some bug that caused this | |
| 21:01 | chris_n | @later tell hdl_laptop some mailing list weirdness... I seem to get send copies of emails I send to the list now? (or is it me that's confused?) |
| 21:01 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:01 | chris | no bug ricardo |
| 21:01 | just bad .po file for pt-BR | |
| 21:01 | ricardo | "Bad PO file! Bad!" ;-) |
| 21:02 | chris | its a harmless error, its just saying there is a pt-BR folder here, but i cant find any actual templates |
| 21:02 | because the bad .po file stopped them being made | |
| 21:02 | ricardo | chris: Err... Actually, for my setup... The consequence was much BIGGER than that |
| 21:02 | Let me try to show you screnshots | |
| 21:02 | chris | or in this case the no existent .po file |
| 21:02 | ricardo | s/screnshots/screenshots |
| 21:02 | chris | non-existent |
| 21:03 | yep, not a bug tho, just probably someone editing po files with a text editor again :) | |
| 21:04 | ricardo | Is there a "paste.workbuffer.org" for images? |
| 21:04 | chris | nope |
| 21:07 | ricardo | chris: http://twitpic.com/lnjb7 |
| 21:09 | chris | right, ill get hdl to not include the pt-BR files in the 3.0.4 release |
| 21:09 | ricardo | chris: Yeah... I think that's better... Even for the Brazilian folks! |
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| 21:21 | sekjal | time to catch my train. cheers, all! |
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| 21:24 | ricardo | This is weird... |
| 21:24 | http://myhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl is (wrongly) being displayed in English, although all the other Staff pages (correctly) appear in Portuguese. I wonder if this some cache (local or proxy) problem ... | |
| 21:25 | Ropuch | Doon night everyone |
| 21:25 | s/doon/Good ;> | |
| 21:25 | ricardo | Ropuch: Good night Ropuch :) |
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| 21:28 | ricardo | BRB (Restarting Firefox, just in case) |
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| 22:07 | |Lupin| | hi again |
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| 22:17 | brendan | hi |Lupin| |
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| 22:17 | |Lupin| | hi brendan |
| 22:17 | pianohacker: still around ? | |
| 22:19 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 22:19 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 22.9�C (3:14 PM PDT on October 15, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 am PDT Saturday... |
| 22:19 | brendan | ah nicer than the last two days |
| 22:19 | thanks munin | |
| 22:19 | |Lupin| | :) |
| 22:40 | could someone please explain me how to call the function C4::Biblio::AddItem ? | |
| 22:41 | it takes optional arguments and I'm not sure how to deal with them... | |
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