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00:21 | brendan | cya in a bit #koha -- time to head home :) |
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02:03 | chris_n2 | owen++ |
02:03 | chris | owen++ |
02:38 | * chris_n2 | hits the hay |
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03:51 | Amit | hi chris, brendan, richard |
03:51 | good morning #koha | |
03:51 | chris | hi Amit |
03:51 | richard | hola Amit |
03:52 | brendan | hello amit |
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04:18 | Amit | heya greenmang0 |
04:18 | greenmang0 | hoi Amit |
04:19 | Amit | @wunder Bangalore, India |
04:19 | munin` | Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. |
04:22 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]-dad-a-celebrity/ |
04:22 | for brendan | |
04:23 | brendan | that's great -- |
04:24 | I've been to over 150 games -- never been close to a foul ball | |
04:28 | greenmang0 | @wunder mumbai |
04:28 | munin` | greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (9:10 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
04:29 | brendan | ah ok -- time for bed -- night #koha |
04:30 | chris | night brendan |
04:30 | Amit | @wunder Dehradun india |
04:30 | munin` | Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 25.0�C (8:30 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa. |
04:48 | Amit | @wunder New Delhi |
04:48 | munin` | Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (10:00 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
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05:26 | chris | hi magnusenger |
05:45 | magnusenger | hi chris |
05:45 | congrats on not being grumpy! ;-) | |
05:45 | chris | heh |
06:17 | Ropuch | Mrning #koha |
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06:59 | kf | good morning #koha |
07:01 | Ropuch | hello |
07:08 | chris | hi kf and Ropuch |
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07:12 | chris | hi paul_p2 |
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07:12 | nahuel | la salle |
07:13 | chris | good morning nahuel |
07:13 | nahuel | lol |
07:13 | hi chris! | |
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07:30 | kf | hi chris |
07:31 | good morning nahuel | |
07:33 | nahuel | hi kf, I saw your patches ! I'm glad to saw you're beggining to contribute to the projet :) |
07:33 | kf | I try, but you know I m not a programmer |
07:34 | we are also working on some more changes in xslt to reflect title-title-linking with $w in MARC21 | |
07:34 | planning to send a patch next week, but not sure if it will get into 3.2 | |
07:35 | nahuel | You don't need to be a programmer :) Some typo fix are needed :) |
07:35 | Why not ? | |
07:35 | kf | not sure if its a new feature or a bug |
07:35 | there is a bug about 440 which will solved by that so I hope gmcharlt will add it | |
07:36 | btw biblibre's offlince circulation looks really nice! | |
07:37 | nahuel | Yap, it's Jean-André Santoni who is making it :) |
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07:45 | chris | nicomo_laptop: can you get into pootle now? |
07:45 | nicomo_laptop | hi chris |
07:45 | yes, thanks | |
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07:45 | nicomo_laptop | Guess we did the same thing last time and I forgot to change the pw to something I knew |
07:45 | |Lupin| | good day |
07:46 | nicomo_laptop | HI |Lupin| |
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07:46 | |Lupin| | hi nicomo_laptop |
07:46 | kf | hi lupin |
07:55 | |Lupin| | hi kf |
08:02 | nahuel | hi |Lupin| |
08:09 | |Lupin| | hi nahuel :) |
08:17 | hmm | |
08:17 | I'm suspecting a small bug in the koha-zebra-ctl.sh script | |
08:18 | when the directories are created at start-up | |
08:18 | shoulnd't they be chowned so that they belong to the user and group used to run koha ? | |
08:18 | oh oops it's already the case, I'm sorry | |
08:22 | Ropuch | ;. |
08:23 | nahuel | But we should make a new script, to use start-stop-daemon instead of daemon |
08:24 | |Lupin| | nahuel: yeah and o be LSB-compliant... |
08:24 | also, there is a variable which is assigned but not used: DBNAME | |
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08:37 | Amit | hi lupin, nicomo, ropuch |
08:38 | kf | hi Amit ;) |
08:39 | |Lupin| | hey Amit |
08:39 | Amit | heya kf |
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09:19 | hdl_laptop | chris pushing now a translation into english. |
09:19 | of a valuebuilder | |
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09:23 | chris | sweet |
09:26 | brendan | heya #koha |
09:26 | Ropuch | I should finish polish opac by the end of the day |
09:26 | chris | you are awake early brendan |
09:27 | brendan | yup -- can't sleep |
09:27 | chris | Ropuch: very cool |
09:27 | brendan | going to spend sometime doing some fun reading :) |
09:27 | Ropuch | chris: we'll see: the fever is striking hard on me |
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09:56 | chris | hi Colin |
10:12 | hdl_laptop | hi Colin |
10:25 | Colin | Hi (belatedly - was on the phone) |
10:29 | Serials prediction patterns were sent to try us | |
10:30 | chris | heh yes |
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10:32 | Colin | Especially when trying to generate them from data from elsewhere |
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10:34 | madsdyd | Hi there. New to koha. Does koha support any self service automates? SIP2, Z3970, NCIP? |
10:34 | Also, what other ILS are "competitors" to Koha? Is Evergreen the only other? What about ILS's as Biblioteq, NewGenLib, OpenBiblio, PMB/PhpMyBibli or Weblis? | |
10:35 | chris | Koha supports SIP2 |
10:36 | and you can add ex libris, sirsi/dynix, millenium, polaris and all teh proprietary ILS's to your list too | |
10:36 | madsdyd | chris, thanks. And, I am only looking at Open Source solutions. |
10:37 | Would you consider my list worthy competitors? | |
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10:37 | brendan | Evergreen really isn't a competitor -- each project has some great things going on -- that's a much better way to look at it |
10:37 | chris | yeah we only really compete against the proprietary ones |
10:38 | madsdyd | brendan: well, perhaps competitor is the wrong term |
10:38 | brendan | They are both open -- so you could do whatever you wanted to with each other |
10:39 | madsdyd | I am trying to figure out what is out there. Like, in other Open Source "arenas", you know what the "big names" are. So, I *think* at this stage that Evergreen and Koha are the big names in Open Source ILS. But I would be unhappy to miss some |
10:39 | brendan | ah... I understand now |
10:39 | chris | they have the most features |
10:39 | brendan | I'd say you're correct - right now to two bigger ones are koha and evergreen |
10:40 | madsdyd | brendan: thanks :-) |
10:40 | brendan | err.. as chris says -- have more features ( a much nicer way to think about it ) |
10:42 | madsdyd | brendan: ok. So, if I were to say that koha has 100 features - are the others about 30,40,50? I know I am pressing my luck here, but I have spent quite some time trying to compare these systems, and it is not easy... |
10:43 | chris | we really dont spend much time trying to figure stuff like that out |
10:43 | brendan | The best way to test that is download both and work through your tests and your list of functional elements that you need |
10:44 | madsdyd | ok. |
10:44 | Unfortunately, my boss want this yesterday :-) | |
10:44 | Colin | They always do |
10:44 | madsdyd | This is a preminilary analysis, btw. |
10:44 | So, I am supposed to turn up 2-3 library systems, that someone else are supposed to analyze in detail | |
10:45 | 2-3 Open Source ... etc | |
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11:06 | magnusenger | Imagine if there was something like http://www.opensourcecms.com/ for open source ILSs... ;-) |
11:16 | gmcharlt | magnusenger++ |
11:17 | Ropuch | hm |
11:17 | gmcharlt | and it would certainly be a better approach from my POV than OpenRFP |
11:20 | |Lupin| | hi gmcharlt |
11:21 | kf | madsdyd: perhaps look at senacan |
11:21 | senayan | |
11:22 | I read a blog post about it, but had no time to take a closer look | |
11:22 | gmcharlt | hi |Lupin| |
11:22 | |Lupin| | please all |
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11:23 | |Lupin| | I'm wondering why KOha rules for loan can't depend on ccodes at the moment |
11:23 | is it because it would make their evaluaiton too hard, or is it because nobody has implemented this feature yet ? | |
11:24 | gmcharlt | not implemented - and it's not necessarily an obvious thing to do |
11:24 | since ccodes are just authorized values | |
11:24 | brendan | I'd agree -- I don't think I every thought to circ something via ccode |
11:25 | gmcharlt | and there isn't a database table backing them up and prevent items from being given ccodes that aren't known to the circ rules |
11:25 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: ok, I understand |
11:26 | brendan: well for our library it would I think be very useful to be able to include ccodes in circulation rules | |
11:26 | brendan | that's cool |
11:26 | |Lupin| | and honestly, I don't know how we will do without them, because item types is used for something else |
11:27 | gmcharlt | I can see having a second level of location beyond the library code |
11:27 | maybe more | |
11:27 | |Lupin| | hmm |
11:27 | gmcharlt | but it would need to be based on just more than an authorized value |
11:28 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: why ? because of the problem you have explained above of not being able to guarantee database integrity ? |
11:28 | gmcharlt | correct |
11:28 | |Lupin| | ok... |
11:31 | gmcharlt | of course, were such a thing code, one could then contemplate migrating ccodes to second-level locations |
11:42 | madsdyd | kf: Thanks - it looks quite early though |
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11:43 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
11:43 | brendan | morning chris_n |
11:44 | chris_n | you're up early brendan (iirc) |
11:44 | brendan | yup :) |
11:44 | chris_n | west coast, right? |
11:44 | brendan | yes |
11:44 | @wunder 93117 | |
11:44 | munin` | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (4:42 AM PDT on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling). |
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11:45 | * chris_n | re-entered the US via CA 35 years ago |
11:45 | chris_n | and have not been there since |
11:45 | @wunder 28334 | |
11:45 | munin` | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 19.0�C (7:41 AM EDT on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
11:45 | brendan | good deal -- i just moved here last year |
11:46 | I was from CT for most of my life | |
11:46 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: ok, thanks a lot for your explanations |
11:46 | chris_n | I lived in MD for awhile and had a friend from CT |
11:49 | Amit | hi chris_n |
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11:56 | chris_n | hey Amit |
11:56 | and paul_p2 | |
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12:04 | |Lupin| | pls |
12:05 | is the isbd syspref used both in OPAC and staff client, or just in opac ? | |
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12:06 | |Lupin| | hi jdavidb |
12:07 | jdavidb | Hi, |Lupin| ! :) |
12:07 | jwagner | Hi everyone. |
12:08 | |Lupin| | hello jane |
12:08 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: ISBD syspref is for both staff and OPAC |
12:08 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: ok, thanks ! it's great |
12:09 | gmcharlt: is the syntax of the syspref documented somewhere ? like what is allowed, what can be achieved, etc... ? | |
12:09 | gmcharlt | not that I know of, unless it's in the manual or BibLibre has something written up about it |
12:10 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: for instance for instance we have a marc field bound to ccodes, and I'de like to use both the description of the code and its value in the syspref. Is that possible ? |
12:10 | gmcharlt: so the doc is the code ? In that case I'd be happy to have a look to it if someone could point me to the relevant file | |
12:11 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: GetISBDView in C4/Biblios.pm |
12:11 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: thanks a lot !!! |
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12:12 | gmcharlt | I belive {{ }} instead of { } in the syspref means to fetch the display string from the authval |
12:12 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: wooow ! that'd amazing. cool ! |
12:12 | gmcharlt | thank nahuel for that |
12:12 | |Lupin| | ok, have to run, ee you laer all ! |
12:12 | gmcharlt | he's the one whose done the most work on the ISBD view of late |
12:13 | |Lupin| | nahuel++ ! |
12:13 | nahuel++ ! | |
12:13 | nahuel | :) |
12:13 | |Lupin| | till soon |
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12:22 | hdl_laptop | hi |
12:23 | madsdyd | A question about koha: It only works with a Linux server and MySQL, right? |
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12:25 | * madsdyd | has been downloading for about an hour now |
12:26 | gmcharlt | madsdyd: pretty much correct for 3.0 and later; you can run and test it in a VM, of course |
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12:28 | Nate | mornin ladies and gents |
12:28 | gmcharlt | morning Nate |
12:28 | madsdyd | gmcharlt: no problem, we are a Linux based shop |
12:28 | I just need to compile a "fact sheet" | |
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12:31 | chris_n | hi Nate |
12:32 | and gmcharlt | |
12:32 | gmcharlt | hi chris_n |
12:32 | Nate | hey chris_n, gmcharlt |
12:33 | finally stopped raining here in CT | |
12:34 | chris_n | and started in NC |
12:34 | for the next 7 days so noaa says | |
12:34 | jdavidb | We had a little rain here overnight. Murky and gray now. |
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12:37 | mason | hi folks, can i ask a stupid jquery Q? |
12:37 | i think i need a midnite brain-slap over here :/ | |
12:37 | gmcharlt | mason: no, only genius-level questions are allowed here! |
12:37 | i.e., don't ask to ask, just ask ;) | |
12:38 | jdavidb | Ask away, mason. Ignore gmcharlt; he's in an ornery mood. |
12:38 | mason | yeah, good call, ok... |
12:38 | var aaa = document.getElementById('moo'); | |
12:38 | this works fine... | |
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12:39 | mason | and this.. |
12:39 | var aaa = $('#moo'); | |
12:39 | gmcharlt | mason: some browsers' version of getElementById are broken and search on the name attribute as well as the id attribute |
12:40 | mason | what i want is to use the *opener* document and change an id's value... |
12:40 | so , i get the opener doc just fine.. | |
12:40 | var doc = opener.document; | |
12:40 | now.. how to use jquery to manip it ?!? | |
12:41 | this works..... | |
12:41 | var bbb = doc.getElementById('moo'); | |
12:42 | gmcharlt | mason: var bbb = $('#moo', doc); |
12:42 | mason | great!, but need to use jquery - coz i have to regex the 'id' , as it is a randomly generated id :/ |
12:42 | like 'tag_300_subfield_a_99999_00000' | |
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12:43 | gmcharlt | i.e., you're passing the context of doc that you got from the opener to jquery |
12:43 | mason | sheesh, i would have *never* discovered that syntax |
12:44 | whew , thanks for that galen | |
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12:46 | * mason | backs away from the cliff |
12:47 | gmcharlt | wow, didn't realize it was that critical! ;) |
12:48 | madsdyd | Anyone know if newgenlib supports sip? |
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12:51 | owen | Hi all |
12:52 | brendan | morning owen :) |
12:52 | jdavidb | Howdy, owen. :) |
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12:54 | mason | critical enough that ive started using obsene words as variable names :) |
12:54 | schuster | mason - would your mother approve! |
12:55 | mason | yeah, she a completive scrabble(tm) player |
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12:57 | schuster | Oh my - ! |
12:57 | jdavidb | Mornin', schuster. :) |
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12:59 | schuster | howdy David!! Had to throw a little texan back at ya even though it might have a little Minnesota twang... |
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13:01 | * jdavidb | hears schuster's voice in his head, saying "Howdy," and chuckles a little. |
13:05 | schuster | Too much to do today so I'm off to digitize some more video of KohaCon09 - hopefully I'll be able to post more tonight. |
13:05 | jdavidb | schuster++ |
13:07 | * owen | reading the logs from earlier |
13:07 | owen | brendan, you're working with vokal? |
13:08 | brendan | yes - we're doing support right now -- |
13:08 | Hopefully some training soon -- to get them to contribute some of their work | |
13:09 | owen | Yeah, I've been watching out of the corner of my eye, hoping that they get involved. |
13:10 | I inquired and got a nice email back from Stephanie Chase from Stowe Free Library. She sounded like they would be into community participation | |
13:11 | brendan | Currently most of their concentration is on building the consortium and getting more libraries invovled -- then onto participation |
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13:39 | schuster | OK showing ignorance - vokal? What is that? Sounds like a Vulkan thing. |
13:40 | Ropuch | sounds like something voice-related |
13:41 | brendan | http://gmlc.wordpress.com/koha-project/ |
13:45 | owen | Vokal -- the Vulcan Science Directorate's official Voice-Recognition software. |
13:52 | paul_p2 | FYI: https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/14399 |
13:52 | Kivutar++ | |
13:53 | owen | That's exciting, paul_p2! |
13:53 | paul_p2 is now known as paul_p | |
13:54 | Kivutar | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]on_firefox_plugin |
13:55 | gmcharlt | Kivutar++ |
13:57 | moodaepo | Kivutar++ |
13:58 | schuster | Nice!++ |
13:58 | This is not the offline circ though that I had gotten from LibLime... | |
13:59 | brendan | Kivutar++ |
13:59 | chris_n | Kivutar++ |
14:00 | schuster | Technical requirements should that be 3.2 or some version of Koha for the server? |
14:00 | moodaepo | schuster what do you mean as a novice I just remember a gtk based offline...what is this LL one you speak of? |
14:02 | schuster | Koha Offline Circulation 1.558 - written by Kyle Hall and "adopted?" by LibLime? |
14:02 | nahuel | munin`, help |
14:02 | munin` | nahuel: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
14:02 | Colin | Kivutar++ |
14:02 | nahuel | @kivutar++ |
14:02 | munin` | nahuel: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
14:02 | nahuel | @karma Kivutar |
14:02 | munin` | nahuel: Karma for "Kivutar" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. |
14:03 | moodaepo | schuster right I just checked and that's the one I remember seeing |
14:03 | nahuel | @karma nahuel |
14:03 | munin` | nahuel: Karma for "nahuel" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
14:03 | nahuel | :( |
14:03 | hehe | |
14:03 | gmcharlt | nahuel++ # happy now? ;) |
14:03 | nahuel | yeah ! |
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14:38 | jdavidb | @karma jdavidb |
14:38 | munin` | jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. |
14:38 | rhcl | I'll be meeting with Greg Mickels tomorrow, Nebraska Project Pioneer mover and shaker, to just talk shop about there move to Koha. Anybody have any specific questions they want me to ask? |
14:39 | sed s/there/their | |
14:39 | kyle | hey chris, are you around? |
14:39 | owen | Too early for chris, kyle |
14:39 | jdavidb | Middle of the night, for him, kyle. prolly not. |
14:40 | kyle | good point ; ) |
14:40 | rhcl | kyle, tnx for the feedback email on the VM |
14:40 | kyle | no problem. I'll have to roll some new ones as soon as 3.2 is out the door. |
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14:50 | jdavidb | Mornin', Wizzyrea_! |
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14:50 | Wizzyrea_ | hi peeps :) |
14:50 | owen | If it isn't The Wiz. |
14:51 | Wizzyrea_ | lol |
14:51 | how is everyone's blood pressure today? | |
14:51 | :) | |
14:52 | owen | it's quiet on the mailing lists, so mine's good so far. |
14:52 | Wizzyrea_ | jim_minges++ |
14:52 | best...boss...ever... | |
14:52 | (not kidding) | |
14:54 | jdavidb | Boss bring in donuts and raises, Wizzy? |
14:54 | Wizzyrea_ | donuts sometimes, raises as $$ available |
14:54 | :P | |
14:55 | oh, you mean today | |
14:55 | heh, no | |
14:55 | jdavidb | The sincerest form of thanks a boss can give, starts with "Pay to the Order of..." But donuts are almost as good. |
14:55 | Wizzyrea_ | ha |
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14:56 | Wizzyrea_ | dunno, it's a pretty big deal when our boss just says "you know, you did a good job on that" |
14:56 | not because he doesn't tell you, it's just you know he means it | |
14:56 | jdavidb | Oh, heck, hide! There's two jwagners! |
14:56 | Wizzyrea_ | OMB |
14:56 | OMG | |
14:56 | * jdavidb | hides behind Wizzyrea_ |
14:57 | Wizzyrea_ | have we approached the singularity? |
14:57 | are we surfing the moebius? | |
14:58 | gmcharlt | Wizzyrea_: we are if you're inviting the Office of Management and Budget here ;) |
14:59 | Wizzyrea_ | ha |
15:00 | jwagner_ | That's what happens when your network connection freaks out. We have multiplying jwagners! |
15:00 | * jdavidb | fears network hiccuping. |
15:00 | jdavidb | If it does it while there are two, do we end up with four? |
15:02 | jwagner | Only if my bad line of code is still in XSLT.pm :-) |
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15:02 | Colin | Maybe its a two for the price of one offer |
15:02 | jwagner | There. One of me is gone. Do you feel safer now??? |
15:03 | * jdavidb | feels much safer now, thanks. |
15:03 | jdavidb | But are you the good twin, or the evil twin? |
15:03 | jwagner | You wait until I get back into the office tomorrow.... (pause for ominous stare) |
15:04 | * Wizzyrea_ | raises an eyebrow |
15:04 | * jdavidb | may just have to take the day off, to be safe. Or bust a plumbing line in his own place. |
15:04 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
15:04 | Wizzyrea_ | are you looking for your sledgehammer jdavidb? |
15:04 | jdavidb | Yis! I loaned it to you last week...what'd you do with it? |
15:05 | jwagner | Well, we know she didn't hit her boss with it.... |
15:06 | Wizzyrea_ | ...no, that was the holy hammer of righteousness. The one you're looking for only destroys pipes |
15:06 | jwagner | Well, I wish it would stay away from my house. We had an interesting day with the backhoe in my front yard yesterday. |
15:07 | Wizzyrea_ | oh dear. did it involve things being severed that shouldn't be? perhaps an explosion? |
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15:08 | Wizzyrea_ | i really love how OTRS does their subdomains |
15:08 | faq.otrs.org, bugs.otrs.org, doc.otrs.org | |
15:09 | lists.otrs.org | |
15:09 | jwagner | No, but they had to dig pretty close to the gas lines. I closed the doors & blinds and crossed my fingers... |
15:09 | Wizzyrea_ | fingers in the ears "la la la" |
15:09 | I can imagine :) | |
15:09 | jwagner | The only real casualty of the day was my checkbook :-( |
15:09 | sekjal | hey, everyone, I'm having a bit of crisis. We are unable to add items to Koha. |
15:10 | its not an indexing issue; I've double checked on that | |
15:10 | the item record simply doesn't "take" when I click "Add Item" | |
15:10 | tried it on multiple browsers and with multiple user accounts | |
15:10 | anyone run into this before? | |
15:11 | jwagner | Is it just that title, or all titles? |
15:11 | Wizzyrea_ | can you do other things that change the DB? |
15:11 | (checkin, checkout) | |
15:11 | (place holds) | |
15:11 | sekjal | we've noticed it with two separate titles |
15:11 | circulation, serials, and patron loading work fine | |
15:11 | Wizzyrea_ | k |
15:12 | sekjal | we have successfully deleted an item |
15:12 | Colin | anything turning up in the apache logs? |
15:12 | Wizzyrea_ | very odd |
15:12 | user in question has permissions? | |
15:12 | sekjal | and I can edit items |
15:13 | yes, all the user accounts I've tried have permissions. even used kohaadmin | |
15:13 | Colin: I checked the koha error logs, but not apache. doing so now... | |
15:14 | jwagner | I've had that problem, but only when we were adding new development code into a code bundle, and there was a conflict. Have you been doing anything with the code? If you're on a local branch, can you add an item if you switch back to master? |
15:15 | sekjal | I've made all of two code edits since we migrated, and they were primarily for OPAC display |
15:17 | Ropuch | sekjal: so? enything in the logs? |
15:17 | rhcl | out of disk space? (the other stuff probably wouldn't work if you were out of space though) |
15:18 | Ropuch | /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber= |
15:18 | sekjal | can't get into /var/log/apache2. permission denied |
15:19 | works fine on my test system | |
15:19 | Ropuch | Try to open that url with desired biblionumber |
15:19 | sekjal | which is the same code, in theory |
15:19 | biblio displays fine in both the OPAC and the staff client | |
15:19 | Ropuch | maybe it's just a minor tmpl typo |
15:19 | sekjal | the records are not getting into the DB. Went in manually to check |
15:20 | Ropuch | But you can save them? |
15:21 | sekjal | after filling out the new item form at /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl, and clicking "Add Item", I get thrown returned to the screen, but with no record of the item being added |
15:21 | Wizzyrea_ | do you have anything in your intranetuserjs that might be affecting it? |
15:21 | sekjal | nothing new record is added to the items table |
15:21 | Colin | But an edit to an existing item is saved? |
15:22 | sekjal | we haven't gotten any JS written yet |
15:22 | yes, I can edit existing record's details | |
15:22 | which makes me think that somehow the itemnumber assignment is the problem... perhaps....? | |
15:25 | Colin | Do you autogenerate barcodes?? |
15:26 | sekjal | we do not. we manually assign |
15:27 | chris_n | sekjal: what do the logs say? |
15:27 | ie. apache error.log | |
15:27 | or koha-error_log | |
15:28 | sekjal: maybe sudo tail /var/log/apache2/error.log | |
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15:28 | chris_n | to overcome the permission issue |
15:30 | sekjal | apache2/error.log shows nothing significant |
15:30 | Wizzyrea_ | did it work yesterday? |
15:31 | sekjal | I don't think so |
15:31 | chris_n | hrmm... db errors should show up in the log |
15:31 | sekjal | but we only started adding items yesterday evening, and I didn't turn on indexing until today |
15:31 | took a second look at koha-error.log | |
15:32 | chris_n | sekjal: do you have a cron job running rebuild_zebra.pl occasionally? |
15:32 | sekjal | getting things related to marc_subfield_structure.pl |
15:32 | so, I think this is my fault | |
15:32 | chris_n: yes, every 3 minutes | |
15:32 | schuster | URL checker - I don't see this documented anywhere? other than in cron jobs - where does the output go? |
15:32 | check-url.pl - ?? | |
15:35 | sekjal | fixed a MARC framework error in 999, retried, still not working |
15:35 | ok, yes, I am generating errors in koha-error.log | |
15:36 | chris_n | maybe a clue is there |
15:36 | sekjal | I think so |
15:36 | alright, I have to go to a meeting | |
15:37 | I'll look at this more when I'm back | |
15:37 | thank you all so much for your assistance | |
15:37 | this is one of the many reasons why I love being part of this community | |
15:37 | be back later | |
15:41 | * chris_n | re-invents photoshop(tm) inside of the Koha Patron Card Creator... :-P |
15:43 | owen | chris_n: I'm sure some patrons would like a little Guassian Blur to be applied to their photos |
15:43 | Oooh, and lens flare! | |
15:44 | schuster | Get the red out |
15:44 | brendan | One thing that I love about the new Photoshop is they have a colorblind button/filter with it |
15:44 | one time I was editing a picture and there was a red circle around the sun -- and I couldn't see it | |
15:45 | flipped the switch -- I saw the circle was able to remove it -- then I switched back to normal color -- and it was gone for most normal people | |
15:45 | chris_n | owen: lol! |
15:46 | owen | Or how about this? http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manit[…]slim-cameras.html |
15:47 | chris_n | $patron_image->total_make_over(look_like => 'your-wish-goes-here'); |
15:49 | interesting to say the least | |
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16:34 | jdavidb | hm. this is a puzzler. I have a customization that one of my customers did before we got 'em--possibly snagged from somewhere else--to purge off Serial Solutions records. it has a really, really inefficient-sounding search in it: |
16:35 | SELECT <flds> from biblioitems where marcxml like '%<controlfield tag="003">WaSeSS</controlfield>%'; | |
16:35 | That just sounds painful, and sure enough, it dies on timeout. Anyone know a better way to do that? | |
16:47 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: index the 003 in Zebra |
16:48 | jdavidb | Mmm...then do a zebra search in the backfield to find the records. yea, that would work, but it'd be a bit of geekery to make it go. |
16:50 | gmcharlt | an alternative might be creating a special table with an insert/update trigger on bibliotiems that populates it with the value of the 003 taken via the ExtractValue() function |
16:50 | then index tthat | |
16:50 | could be a general mechanism | |
16:51 | another appraoch would be via MARC frameworks and mapping the 003 to a disused biblio or biblioitems column | |
16:51 | jdavidb | Ah-hah. That may be the best way....how to get 'em to populate, after changing that? |
16:52 | gmcharlt | one of the scripts in misc does that IIRC |
16:52 | jdavidb | k |
16:57 | Hm. Since the query done baldly against MySQL took just under five minutes to tell me "0 rows", I'm thinking the right answer is Then Don't Do That. | |
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17:15 | chris_n | lunch |
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17:37 | sekjal | back. still can't get Add Item to work. |
17:38 | the error I found in koha-error.log was for a bad framework decision, which I've fixed. this has not resolved my issue, unfortunately | |
17:49 | brendan | get some TNT -- sekjal |
17:49 | sekjal | brendan: I'm thinking maybe lunch. I don't know if I have sufficent blood sugar to solve this right now |
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17:59 | owen_ is now known as owen | |
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18:00 | * chris_n | pays expensive tuition to learn about autoloader and autosplit... :-P |
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18:12 | chris | morning |
18:12 | sekjal | morning, chris |
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18:22 | chris_n | howdy chris |
18:23 | jwagner | morning chris |
18:29 | sekjal | alright, Add Item issue resolved |
18:29 | chris_n | sekjal: what was it? |
18:29 | chris | hmmm im a bad man |
18:29 | sekjal | lesson: do not create your own template in parallel to 'prog'. Just use git to manage your local changes |
18:30 | your template will quickly desynchronize after even the minorest of upgrades | |
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18:37 | chris_n | @define bad |
18:37 | munin` | chris_n: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
18:37 | chris_n | @dict bad |
18:37 | munin` | chris_n: foldoc, gcide, wn, jargon, vera, and moby-thes responded: vera: BAD Broken As Designed (slang); gcide: Bad \Bad\ (b[a^]d), imp. of {Bid}. Bade. [Obs.] --Dryden. [1913 Webster]; foldoc: BAD /B-A-D/ Broken As Designed, a play on "{working as designed}", from {IBM}. Failing because of bad design and misfeatures rather than because of bugs. [{Jargon File}] (2002-04-14); jargon: BAD /B-A-D/ adj. (25 more messages) |
18:38 | chris | :) |
18:39 | chris_n: foisting marc questions off on biblibre or galen or joe :-) | |
18:39 | chris_n | and giving out historical truths in the process |
18:39 | definitely bad | |
18:40 | chris | heh |
18:42 | Wizzyrea_ | sekjal: I have SO been there |
18:44 | chris_n | @quote random |
18:44 | munin` | chris_n: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009) |
18:44 | chris_n | lol |
18:45 | sekjal | it seemed like a good idea at the time.... |
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18:58 | jwagner | @quote add <sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time.... |
18:58 | munin` | jwagner: The operation succeeded. Quote #35 added. |
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19:16 | * chris | wanders off for coffee bbiab |
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19:25 | schuster | Question about 3.2 - will there be bib merging? I've seen things flying around, just can't remember. Right now I found 7 records exactly the same - but each have items attached. |
19:31 | jwagner | @quote 35 |
19:31 | munin` | jwagner: downloading the Perl source |
19:31 | gmcharlt | schuster: yes, I believe so |
19:31 | jwagner | @quote #35 |
19:31 | munin` | jwagner: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
19:31 | gmcharlt | @quote get 35 |
19:31 | munin` | gmcharlt: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) |
19:31 | sekjal | lol |
19:31 | jwagner | Thanks, Galen. Since sekjal just rejoined... |
19:33 | sekjal | found the blue.css for the staff client. not too bad |
19:33 | Wizzyrea_ | @quote random |
19:33 | munin` | Wizzyrea_: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 01:55 AM, June 12, 2009) |
19:34 | Wizzyrea_ | oh snap, we don't see that one often |
19:35 | sekjal | I had multiple requests to do something a little less harsh on the eyes, and that would more clearly differentiate staff client from OPAC |
19:40 | chris | sekjal: you should ask the vokal people if they wouldnt mind sharing their css |
19:40 | their staff client is very pretty | |
19:40 | owen | Where have you seen it chris? |
19:41 | brendan | http://openilsvt.pbworks.com/ |
19:41 | beatcha to it chris | |
19:41 | chris | how the heck did amy schuler get 3.0.2 runnong on windows? |
19:42 | chris_n | betcha its vbox or vmachine |
19:42 | chris | gotta be |
19:45 | @seen kyle | |
19:45 | munin` | chris: kyle was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 4 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <kyle> no problem. I'll have to roll some new ones as soon as 3.2 is out the door. |
19:45 | chris_n | vokal++ # for the nice staff interface mods |
19:46 | Ropuch | Hm, I'm using gtranslator and some some entries 'extracted comments; in form "%1$s: TMPL_VAR name=title %2$s: TMPL_VAR name=author", which are very helpfull |
19:46 | Are those comments added by hand, or autogenerated? | |
19:46 | chris | i know kapiti used to have different colours, green was producton red was DR, so that the staff wouldnt use the wrong one :) |
19:47 | * owen | doesn't see where the staff interface mods are |
19:47 | chris | go to the staff templates |
19:47 | then there is screenshot | |
19:48 | i saw a better one somewhere, i cant recall where though | |
19:48 | im fairly sure it is just css mods | |
19:48 | gmcharlt | blue.css |
19:48 | chris | brendan can ping them about it at the meeting :) |
19:48 | rhcl | We've been trying to get the Koha image running on VMWare player on Win 2003 server--no dice. Put it on OpenSuse and it fired right up. |
19:49 | chris | free software wins again |
19:49 | :) | |
19:50 | ok time to catch my bus, i will be back in an hour or so, have a good evening for anyone who is off before then | |
19:50 | rhcl | The IP address issue was a dead end for us--just couldn't get it set using static IP addresses in Windows. Probably the fault of the VMWare player more than the Koha image. |
19:51 | * owen | figures out ZoneAlarm was blocking the Box.net widget from loading |
19:52 | owen | Hmm, a new icon set too |
20:00 | Ropuch | I've just installed 3.00.4 and when trying to view biblio detail in opac get Global symbol "$aws_ref" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/External/Amazon.pm line 85. |
20:01 | switching Amazon.pm to one from 3.00.3 solves the problem - should I subbmit a bug? | |
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20:08 | owen | Ropuch: If you don't get an answer here, submit the bug. If it's not really a bug at least someone can tell you why when they close it |
20:09 | Ropuch | Hm, I don't know perl, but just googled it |
20:10 | After ading 'my $aws_ref;' the problem is gone, so i consider this a mere typo | |
20:10 | I promise I'll read perl tutorial eventually | |
20:10 | ;> | |
20:17 | sekjal | I'm almost ready to publish my migration tools for Millennium to Koha |
20:17 | brendan | sekjal++ |
20:17 | sekjal | just doing some documentation and cleanup |
20:17 | I've got a tester in CA who has been very helpful | |
20:24 | schuster | I suspect there are a couple of people from CA on Millennium who would be interested based on individuals that attended KohaCon09... Their biggest problem was getting the item and bib info on the MARC extraction. |
20:26 | sekjal | schuster: I think we're talking about some of the same folks |
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20:29 | schuster | Probably...;) |
20:34 | chris | back |
20:35 | Ropuch: yep, submit the bug .. 3.0.4 isnt released yet, so we love having you testing it | |
20:35 | any bugs you spot mean we can fix them up before the release | |
20:38 | Ropuch | chris: actually is two-keystroke fix |
20:39 | But ok, let mi submit my first bug | |
20:39 | sekjal | time to head home. until tomorrow! |
20:39 | Ropuch | Is Benedykt Barszcz still active on koha? |
20:39 | chris | not for a while |
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20:40 | chris | Ropuch: you could attach the fix to the bug that would be excellent |
20:40 | or you could even send a patch | |
20:40 | Ropuch | I think I'll mail him |
20:40 | chris: i *really* don't know perl, and I'm not familiar with git yet | |
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20:41 | richard | good morning |
20:41 | Ropuch | I'll post the 'solution', but I don't know, if it's safe, just know it's working ;> |
20:41 | Seems like skipped my with | |
20:42 | use strict | |
20:43 | chris | cool |
20:43 | yeah should always use my | |
20:43 | sounds like your solution is right | |
20:47 | Ropuch | Hm, I've never used bugzilla before - what should i type into 'Assign to' instead of jmfliblime? |
20:49 | gmcharlt | Ropuch: yourself, if you're fixing it |
20:49 | otherwise (having not read scrollback yet) if it's a 3.0.x bug, hdl or chris | |
20:50 | chris_n | we really need to purge the db structure of default NULLs |
20:52 | * chris_n | pushes today's work to his public repo and heads out |
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21:02 | Wizzyrea_ | who has admin over those assignments on bugzilla? |
21:04 | Ropuch | Hm, how can i submit a patch? Can i simply ask for fix in bug description (till I learn git)? |
21:05 | chris | yep thats fine Ropuch |
21:06 | awesome!!! | |
21:07 | * chris | just got given a $130 ticket to go to a luncheon today |
21:08 | schuster | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]portingfornewbies |
21:08 | chris | schuster++ |
21:08 | schuster | That will help filling out bugs putting in enhancements |
21:08 | Ropuch | schuster: I've already read that [; |
21:08 | Ok, done | |
21:10 | schuster | It defaults to someone unless you have a specific developer you want assigned to it. |
21:10 | Wizzyrea_ | right, who admins those defaults |
21:10 | who says who is the default | |
21:11 | chris | i used to be able to |
21:11 | Wizzyrea_ | there may need to be some revision there |
21:11 | chris | ill see if i can still |
21:12 | schuster | Night all - another night of american 8 year old football practice in the rain... My son LOVES it - muddy as ever. |
21:13 | brendan | night schuster |
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21:13 | Ropuch | It'm time for me too - good nigh |
21:15 | chris | Wizzyrea_: yes i still can |
21:16 | whatcha reckon needs changing? | |
21:16 | Wizzyrea_ | well... the opac section goes to a person that isn't really involved |
21:16 | I wonder if owen would be willing to be the go-to guy for OPAC stuff | |
21:17 | aw, but he's not here | |
21:17 | chris | hmm i guess we should ask him first |
21:17 | Wizzyrea_ | yea probably |
21:17 | i mean, the person in the default gets a notify when a new bug is added, correct? | |
21:17 | so you probably want someone there who is... erm... engaged | |
21:18 | chris | yes, yes you do |
21:18 | it also goes to the koha-bugs mailing list | |
21:18 | but that is quite high traffic so easy to be missed | |
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21:59 | Wizzyrea_ | *yawn* |
21:59 | chris | heh |
22:06 | * chris_n2-away | relaxes by working on some photos of lighthouses |
22:06 | chris_n2-away is now known as chris_n2 | |
22:07 | chris_n2 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/42416875@N07/ |
22:08 | Wizzyrea_ | you take those? |
22:11 | (pretty cool, if you ask me) | |
22:11 | chris_n2 | Wizzyrea_: yup |
22:11 | Wizzyrea_ | verra niiice |
22:11 | chris_n2 | tnx |
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22:36 | Jo | morning all |
22:37 | chris | hi Jo |
22:41 | chris_n2 | hello Jo |
22:43 | chris | Jo: looks like ben took your advice and got involved on the mailing list |
22:47 | Wizzyrea_ | I was excited |
22:48 | Jo | me too! |
22:48 | Good for him :) | |
22:48 | i wrote a friendly email to him to say welcome | |
22:48 | mason | morning girls |
22:49 | richard | hola mason and jo |
22:49 | mason | heya richard |
22:50 | Jo | heya |
22:51 | chris | richard: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org.nz/Schedule |
22:51 | richard | tha nks |
22:52 | mason | oooh, nice layout! |
22:52 | chris | ill probably mostly be at the barcamp |
22:55 | mason | /me registers |
22:56 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_out | |
22:58 | mason | could be a good chance for me to put up my SCIS stuff before SLANZA |
23:01 | * richard | looks up scis :) |
23:01 | mason | http://www2.curriculum.edu.au/scis/home.html |
23:02 | richard | yup that was where i was |
23:05 | Wizzyrea_ | I wrote him a note too, jo. :) |
23:05 | figured all the welcome possible was probably better | |
23:05 | chris | was yours offlist Jo? |
23:25 | davi | If nobody realize such replace "foundation" by "association or foundation" at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09sep15 and http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]aheldbyfoundation thenI will do it tomorrow, because we should not forget the association option got 10 votes in favor versus 6 against. That is to say more 60% in favor at http://doodle.com/mobile/overv[…]=bubb4xrqs54qgpwx |
23:26 | chris | dont replace anything |
23:26 | davi | ok |
23:26 | chris | wait until the official poll is announced |
23:26 | and people vote | |
23:26 | davi | ack |
23:26 | chris | we have to actually tell people about it |
23:26 | davi | I fear the current wiki seems be promoting foundation |
23:27 | option | |
23:27 | chris | one of the options will be association or foundation |
23:27 | lets just wait | |
23:27 | davi | good good |
23:27 | chris | ps, hows the software.coop public git repo coming along? |
23:28 | davi | slef installed the Git server yesterday I think |
23:28 | chris | excellent |
23:28 | davi | yep, we are slow but sure |
23:30 | night | |
23:30 | chris | cya later |
23:32 | chris_n2 | g'nigh davi |
23:32 | night also | |
23:32 | @spellcheck | |
23:32 | munin` | chris_n2: I suck |
23:36 | Jo | yep offlist |
23:38 | chris | cool |
23:39 | ok, im off to this lunch thingy | |
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