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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:17 | chris_n2 | is everyone free to add pros and cons to the comparison chart of foundations? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]aheldbyfoundation |
| 00:17 | chris | i reckon so |
| 00:17 | its a wiki :) | |
| 00:29 | * chris_n2 | wanders off to read his 3 year old a book |
| 00:33 | chris | awesome |
| 00:33 | superpotamus is a good one :) | |
| 00:34 | richard | heh |
| 00:34 | chris | http://www.wheelers.co.nz/book[…]739-superpotamus/ |
| 00:38 | brendan | later #koha -- be back in a bit :) |
| 00:38 | chris | cya brendan |
| 00:48 | brendan left #koha | |
| 00:57 | chris_n2 | ifla does not really look like it does what we would be looking for in a foundation |
| 00:57 | chris | even temporary? |
| 00:57 | (i agree mind you, just playing devils advocate) | |
| 00:57 | chris_n2 | the closest thing I can find is a "Special Interest Group" dealing w/libraries and web 2.0: http://www.ifla.org/en/libraries-and-web2dotzero |
| 00:58 | chris | *nod* |
| 00:58 | chris_n2 | it really does not have any sort of mechanism that I can find whereby 'we' would 'join' as a community/committee/etc |
| 00:59 | chris | i dont think it is even something the would be interested in doing |
| 00:59 | the=they | |
| 00:59 | * chris_n2 | agrees |
| 01:00 | chris_n2 | their purpose appears very broad and much more related to the overall library picture |
| 01:00 | chris | yeah |
| 01:03 | chris_n2 | they would be more like the universe and we the planet.... whereas SPI, HLT are more like the sun and we the planet.... in the koha foundation scenario, however, the universe revolves around the planet - koha... ;-) |
| 01:03 | chris | :) |
| 01:03 | chris_n2 | maybe the geocentric theory had its merits |
| 01:05 | * chris_n2 | finds himself locked out by slef :-) |
| 01:06 | chris | wow, he's up late, maybe he fell asleep at the keyboard |
| 01:06 | @seen slef | |
| 01:06 | munin` | chris: slef was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <slef> gmcharlt: #include <joke/merge-branch-fork-child> |
| 01:06 | chris_n2 | actually he adds some stuff as we chat |
| 01:08 | * chris_n2 | looks around for his superpotamus suit |
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| 01:08 | chris | :) |
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| 01:09 | chris_n2 | chris: btw, my 3 year old has moved out of nappies and into training pants.... yay! |
| 01:10 | chris | woo hoo |
| 01:10 | we are nearly there | |
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| 01:11 | chris_n2 | this is the fourth (and last) time, but somehow it seems to have been just as much a challenge as the first :-P |
| 01:11 | * chris_n2 | cheers slef on |
| 01:13 | slef | ok, unlocked |
| 01:13 | here I was adding random thoughts when I wake up in the middle of the night | |
| 01:13 | chris | ahh :) |
| 01:13 | slef | thinking I'd be unnoticed... I should know better than to doubt #koha's powers of observation |
| 01:14 | gmcharlt | slef: Koha is awake 24 hours a day |
| 01:14 | slef | cool. Can it answer my phones, please? ;-) |
| 01:15 | gmcharlt | just as soon as somebody contributes an Asterisk plugin |
| 01:15 | chris | funny you should say that |
| 01:15 | that was something reed wanted to do | |
| 01:16 | gmcharlt | well, what's he waiting for!? slef's phones need answering ;) |
| 01:17 | slef | hrm, some clients aren't happy when they get a simple voicemail... wonder what they'd think if an LMS answered :-D |
| 01:18 | gmcharlt | depends on the quality of the data in the catalog, I suppose |
| 01:20 | chris_n2 | asterisk++ |
| 01:20 | * chris_n2 | has plans to trash the pbx and put his asterisk test server into production |
| 01:21 | chris | another public vendor repo hits the wiki http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_repos |
| 01:22 | chris_n2 | cool... more pressure |
| 01:26 | it's sort of funny: the patches for correcting cutter number splitting will probably hit the main repo before they are applied to our production koha server locally. | |
| 01:26 | chris | hehe |
| 01:26 | those patches will make a lot of catalogers happy | |
| 01:27 | chris_n2 | and 'snap'... there they are |
| 01:28 | gmcharlt | chris_n2++ |
| 01:30 | chris | chris_n2++ |
| 01:33 | chris_n2 | a bunch of code could benefit from improvements like those in chris 's patch |
| 01:34 | chris | what'd i do? |
| 01:35 | chris_n2 | your dbi patch |
| 01:35 | Update some DBI interactions | |
| 01:35 | chris | ohh, that wasnt me i dont think |
| 01:36 | * chris | looks at git log |
| 01:36 | chris_n2 | opps... colin campbell |
| 01:36 | sorry :-O | |
| 01:36 | chris | yep, some nice patches coming in from ptfs europe |
| 01:37 | chris_n2 | any thoughts on a line for crontab git fetch && git rebase for multiple branches? |
| 01:37 | ie. current branch is 'some-work' but I want crontab to rebase 'master' and 'some-work' | |
| 01:38 | chris | ahhh |
| 01:38 | id prolly write a bash script | |
| 01:38 | and call that from crontab | |
| 01:40 | chris_n2 | I think 'git rebase origin some-work' && 'git rebase origin master' would do, but leave me in 'master' |
| 01:40 | script is probably best, as you suggest | |
| 01:42 | what might really be cool would be to have a hook to call a perl tidy on commit | |
| 01:43 | chris | if we start that practice, it should be right after a release, cos whitespace changes make diffs really hard to read |
| 01:43 | slef | chris: enjoy the end of my spi-private email. |
| 01:43 | chris | but any new files, perltidy away :) |
| 01:43 | slef: you just sent one? | |
| 01:44 | ah yes | |
| 01:44 | hehe | |
| 01:45 | slef | not what I expected :( |
| 01:54 | network gone unstable, going away again | |
| 02:16 | chris_n2 | think shell scripting: why does "echo $(`/usr/lib/git-core/git-branch`)" result in "line 2: 0001-Bug-2500-Correcting-incorrect-splitting-of-cutter-nu.patch: command not found" (the failed attempt to execute the first file in the dir as a command???)? |
| 02:18 | echo `/usr/lib/git-core/git-branch` results in a listing of the current directory.... weirdness indeed | |
| 02:35 | here's a cool git prompt: http://www.bramschoenmakers.nl/en/node/624 | |
| 02:36 | displays branch and status in your shell prompt | |
| 02:39 | snail | chris_n2: only use fance colours if you always connect from a linux machine. if you're connecting from random windows boxes using random clients enough of them get ansii colour wrong for it to be a pain |
| 02:40 | chris | chris_n2: i use something similair to that, atz wrote a blog post on it |
| 02:40 | * chris_n2 | always uses putty from win32 boxes :-) |
| 02:40 | chris | http://blogs.liblime.com/devel[…]-koha-developers/ |
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| 02:58 | chris | hmm that wasnt the one i was thinking of, but its a good point nonetheless |
| 02:58 | s/point/post/ | |
| 03:04 | chris_n2 | well, I got bash script and git playing nice together so I think it's time for bed |
| 03:05 | g'night | |
| 03:05 | chris_n2 is now known as chris_n2-away | |
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| 03:10 | Amit | hi chris, brendan |
| 03:10 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:11 | chris | hi amit |
| 03:16 | snail | morning Amit |
| 03:17 | richard | hi amit and snail |
| 03:18 | Amit | hi richard, snail |
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| 03:58 | brendan | hello amit |
| 04:07 | chris | brendan: http://www.librarian.net/stax/[…]koha-and-liblime/ |
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| 04:22 | brendan | Goodnight #koha |
| 04:22 | thd-foraging | Unfortunately, Roy Tennant has defended the closed nature of the OCLC record sharing policy as if it had been actually encouraging openness. |
| 04:22 | thd-foraging is now known as thd | |
| 04:22 | chris | cant win them all |
| 04:23 | thd | good night brendan |
| 04:23 | chris | one fight at a time :) |
| 04:23 | thd | chris: I have been having some trouble with my new website |
| 04:23 | chris | i am glad pointed out that the redhat analogy is false (well 2 people did) |
| 04:23 | thd | chris: perhaps you have some insight into my problem |
| 04:24 | chris | fire away |
| 04:24 | thd | after several problems, I know seem to have some proxying stuck in Apache. |
| 04:25 | chris | right |
| 04:25 | thd | that is after I remove the proxying and attempt to redirect a subdomain it still points to the same proxied service. |
| 04:25 | chris | hmm |
| 04:25 | thd | I restart Apache and have no effect |
| 04:26 | chris | tried a full stop-start |
| 04:26 | ? | |
| 04:26 | thd | I cannot remember but I will try that now |
| 04:26 | chris | i also find |
| 04:26 | curl -I url | |
| 04:26 | handy | |
| 04:27 | for trying to spot what is going on | |
| 04:28 | http://code.google.com/p/gource/ <--andrew works with me .. and we tried this on koha git .. its way way cool ;) | |
| 04:32 | thd | chris: reading the headers tells me nothing other than what I already know that the Apache proxy is still redirecting to a commented out redirect. |
| 04:33 | chris | well it does tell you its not your browser doing it |
| 04:33 | thd | Oh I see. |
| 04:33 | chris | which often it will keep doing, even if you dont want it too |
| 04:33 | curl doesnt remember, browsers do | |
| 04:33 | thd | So yes I have confirmed that the problem is not in the browser. |
| 04:33 | chris | cool |
| 04:34 | thd | So then where can the problem be. |
| 04:34 | chris | hmm, the access logs confirm it going through the virtual host you expect it to be? |
| 04:35 | thd | I think that it could not be otherwise but I had fallen asleep the night before last when I was about to check the logs properly. |
| 04:36 | chris | thats the only other thing i can think og |
| 04:36 | of even | |
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| 05:53 | Michael32424234 | Hi all, I'm just trying to make an adjustment on an OPAC. Is there a way to hide the 'search' form/buttons from users who have not logged in yet? Also, can it be done without editing the templates? (using jscript is fine) Thanks! |
| 05:53 | Michael32424234 is now known as Michael | |
| 05:53 | pianohacker | Michael32424234: That might be a better question for the mailing list |
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| 05:53 | pianohacker | Owen Leonard, the jQuery expert, is asleep right now |
| 05:54 | I'd normally be able to help, but it is far to late for me to be thinking clearly enough | |
| 05:54 | (apologies) | |
| 05:54 | Michael | No problems, that's fair enough. Thanks, I might try the mainling list then. |
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| 05:57 | Ropuch | Morning everybody |
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| 05:59 | Ropuch | Michael: i think you have to edit tmpl a little bit |
| 06:00 | pianohacker | It might be possible with jQuery, though it'd be a little roundabout |
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| 06:06 | pianohacker | Good night, everybody |
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| 06:09 | Michael | Thanks, I've just put the question to the mailing list. |
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| 06:34 | chris | evening all |
| 06:34 | SelfishMan | howdy |
| 06:35 | Ropuch | hello chris |
| 06:36 | chris | get some sleep Ropuch ? |
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| 06:39 | Amit | hi kf, selfishman, ropuch |
| 06:39 | chris | hi kf |
| 06:40 | kf | hi Amit and chris |
| 06:41 | chris | Michael: you want to use http://plugins.jquery.com/project/cookie |
| 06:42 | Ropuch | chris: yes :) |
| 06:42 | Michael | Thanks, I'll take a look. Cheers! |
| 06:43 | chris | then you can do var cookie = $.cookie("CGISESSID"); |
| 06:43 | if (!cookie){ | |
| 06:43 | hide the search box | |
| 06:43 | } | |
| 06:45 | does that make sense? | |
| 06:45 | * chris | will reply to your email |
| 06:49 | Michael | Sorry, I was away from irc. I haven't used plugins but I'll see if I can get it working. |
| 06:50 | chris | essentially you jsut grab that file |
| 06:50 | call it cookie.js | |
| 06:50 | then add to one of the sysprefs to tell it to be loaded | |
| 06:56 | Michael | OK, I'll try it out, I'm still learning so I'll take it easy. Thanks for your help. |
| 06:56 | chris | no problem sing out if you get stuck |
| 06:57 | bbiab | |
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| 07:15 | paul_p | http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]t/1050048905.html |
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| 07:18 | chris | http://www.librarian.net/stax/[…]koha-and-liblime/ |
| 07:19 | i commented on this one, pointing out how biblibre had helped, it must be waiting moderation :) | |
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| 07:22 | paul_p | hi chris (I hadn't seen josh mail on koha ML before answering to your question. |
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| 07:23 | paul_p | my answer it much different then. yes, we must answer (and on the mailing list) |
| 07:23 | (I thought you wanted a PR) | |
| 07:24 | I will answer josh mail, on this, and on many other topics | |
| 07:25 | chris | ahh :) |
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| 07:25 | chris | i think echoing the call for a public repo is good too, it seems everyone wants that |
| 07:27 | i am happy that others have said that | |
| 07:28 | and happy to see lots of repo's being added to the wiki | |
| 07:33 | Ropuch | Hm, twinview is acting little strange |
| 07:34 | But translating with gpoedit and opac open at the same time is worth it ;> | |
| 07:34 | chris | :) |
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| 07:59 | |Lupin| | hi |
| 08:05 | kf | hi |Lupin| |
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| 08:12 | Michael | Night all, for anyone interested in the issue I had earlier (hiding the OPAC search form until users have logged in), I will be posting a solution to the mailing list soon. |
| 08:12 | Thanks for everyone's help too. | |
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| 08:15 | paul_p | chris:mail sent |
| 08:23 | chris | just read it |
| 08:23 | and its all true | |
| 08:27 | snail | night all |
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| 08:27 | * paul_p | suggest to call LL fork "LEK" |
| 08:28 | paul_p | (don't use the term "Koha" ;-) ) |
| 08:31 | * |Lupin| | wishes he could say good night too and go to bed, unfortuntely the day just starts here... |
| 08:31 | Amit | hi lupin, paul_p |
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| 08:35 | |Lupin| | hi Amit |
| 08:38 | chris | http://git.biblibre.com/gitstat/tags.html is a good stat too |
| 08:41 | kf | LEK? |
| 08:42 | ah. liblime enterprise koha? | |
| 08:42 | chris | yep |
| 08:44 | |Lupin| | well spotted kf ! |
| 08:49 | paul_p | I think we should advertise on "Community Library Koha" ;-) |
| 08:54 | kf | CLK? |
| 08:54 | ;) | |
| 08:54 | chris | hehe |
| 08:56 | * paul_p | think we could release a PR announcing CLK, on exactly the same schema as PR for LEK. That would be funny. |
| 08:58 | paul_p | something like "BibLibre, Catalyst, ByWaters, Tamil, PTFS, PTFS-Europe announces Community Library Koha". CLK is build on over ten years of completed customer-sponsored development. This free software, available on cloud or local hosting will also give regulare release ,... |
| 08:58 | chris | :) |
| 08:58 | paul_p | we could "copy/paste" the complete PR, just changing some key features. |
| 08:58 | s/features/facts/ | |
| 08:58 | Colin | Limes are not the only fruit |
| 08:58 | chris | i think the release notes for 3.2 will serve as the best PR |
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| 09:44 | magnusenger | http://lib1point5.wordpress.co[…]/where-goes-koha/ |
| 09:44 | chris | yep, just retweet miromurr :) |
| 09:45 | and told him he should come on irc more .. and that i agree with most, except i dont see the foundation as a big problem, rather as a big opportunity :) | |
| 09:46 | magnusenger | you beat me to the RT, chris ;-) |
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| 10:00 | |Lupin| | hmm it seems our KOha only returns those biblios for which there is at least one item available, in opac searches. s this behaviour configurable, pls ? |
| 10:00 | couldn't find any syspref for the moment | |
| 10:01 | chris | 2 secs ill check |
| 10:02 | mine certainly returns results | |
| 10:02 | |Lupin| | chris: for the biblios without an item ? |
| 10:02 | chris | even for biblios have no items at all |
| 10:02 | yes | |
| 10:02 | kf | perhaps searchmylibraryfirst or something like that? |
| 10:03 | chris | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]-search.pl?q=fish |
| 10:03 | none of those have items | |
| 10:04 | cant find any obvious syspref | |
| 10:04 | |Lupin| | o... |
| 10:04 | actually I think our librarian has problems with her browser who didn't perhaps re-submit the query... | |
| 10:04 | thanks all ! | |
| 10:04 | (lunch time here, bbl) | |
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| 10:17 | slef | chris: is http://gitorious.org/koha yours and can I have access, please? Or should we just ditch it? |
| 10:19 | chris | its one of mine |
| 10:19 | i have one on github too | |
| 10:19 | but yep you can have access i havent pushed in a while tho | |
| 10:19 | * chris | likes having backups everywhere |
| 10:23 | chris | whats ur username |
| 10:23 | slef? | |
| 10:23 | slef | let me go register ;-) |
| 10:31 | chris | :) |
| 10:33 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 10:34 | chris | morning gmcharlt |
| 10:38 | slef: its all up to date now, and will add you as a user (and anyone else) when i know user names | |
| 10:40 | slef | username is slef |
| 10:40 | thanks | |
| 10:40 | chris | done |
| 10:43 | slef: originmaster tracks git.koha.org/master | |
| 10:43 | the rest are topic branches | |
| 10:45 | slef | thanks... currently trying to make the case for using gitorious to get small fixes out of the co-op sooner |
| 10:47 | chris | http://ianhaydock.wordpress.co[…]e-koha-community/ |
| 10:48 | what is with people and the red hat forked linux crud? | |
| 10:48 | slef: doing so would be good, it would be yet one more public repo | |
| 10:49 | LEK does not equal Red Hat | |
| 10:49 | slef | LEK? |
| 10:49 | gmcharlt | LibLime Enterprise K*ha |
| 10:50 | slef | OIC BFE TLAs |
| 10:51 | chris | scroll back slef, you will see paul talking bout LEK |
| 10:51 | magnusenger: yes that is indeed the right south park episode :) | |
| 10:52 | magnusenger | chris: cool! ;-) |
| 10:52 | slef | chris: scrollback is on another server until it is emailed to me. This IRC setup is freaky. |
| 10:53 | chris | heh |
| 10:53 | 20:28 * paul_p suggest to call LL fork "LEK" | |
| 10:53 | 20:28 < paul_p> (don't use the term "Koha" ;-) ) | |
| 11:05 | it never ceases to amaze that people think if they post the same question again and again on the mailing list, someone will magically answer it | |
| 11:05 | oh yes, i wait til the 38th time i see a question before i answer it | |
| 11:07 | slef | if they post the same question again and again, or to every list they can find, the duplicate filter usually kicks in and hides it :) |
| 11:07 | chris_n2-away is now known as chris_n2 | |
| 11:07 | chris_n2 | g'morning |
| 11:07 | chris | hiya chris_n2 |
| 11:08 | chris_n2 | "LEK".... lol |
| 11:09 | slef | pronounced letch? |
| 11:09 | or leak? | |
| 11:09 | chris_n2 | or leech |
| 11:10 | Ropuch | Hm, how can i add 3.1/3.2 opac in certain language to projects on pootle? |
| 11:10 | chris_n2 | re: multiple posts.... after the second or third I suffer from buffer overrun |
| 11:11 | * chris_n2 | heads out; bbiab |
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| 11:12 | chris | Ropuch: you ask on koha-translate |
| 11:12 | and i will do it | |
| 11:13 | bear in mind those will still change a bit before the string freeze, but if you are ok with that | |
| 11:13 | i can set it up | |
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| 11:18 | Ropuch | chris: i was just curious, want to finish 3.00.X first |
| 11:18 | chris | *nod* |
| 11:19 | i use the file from 3.0.x as the base for creating one for 3.2.x | |
| 11:19 | so finishing it is a good plan | |
| 11:20 | Ropuch | Opac is quite quick&easy to translate, intranet would be an issue ;> |
| 11:21 | |Lupin| | back |
| 11:22 | gmcharlt | paul_p: ping |
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| 11:37 | chris | hii jwagner |
| 11:38 | jwagner | hi chris |
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| 11:55 | jdavidb | Good morning #koha. :) |
| 11:55 | kf | good morning jdavidb |
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| 12:11 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: is your latest Auth_with_ldap.pm patch in any of the BL trees? |
| 12:11 | hdl_laptop | Not on public but I can send it to you if you need |
| 12:13 | gmcharlt | email it to the patches list, please |
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| 12:13 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: btw, how are you getting on the with the cherry-picking for 3.0.4 |
| 12:13 | ? | |
| 12:14 | chris | i think we are pretty much done |
| 12:14 | at least from what i can tell | |
| 12:14 | and with that, im gonna hit the hay | |
| 12:15 | have a good day #koha | |
| 12:15 | cya in 8 hours or so | |
| 12:15 | kf | good night chris |
| 12:15 | gmcharlt | g'night |
| 12:18 | hdl_laptop | good night |
| 12:18 | gmcharlt: we might have finished that. | |
| 12:18 | Apart from that problem on Auth_with_ldap | |
| 12:19 | gmcharlt | ok, I'll test and it push it once it's on the patches list |
| 12:19 | and then time to try a fresh install of the 3.0.4 candidate, then an upgrade | |
| 12:20 | I got a ping from Amit asking about a DB error on installation from the maintenance branch, but he dropped out before he gave me any details | |
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| 12:40 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: sent |
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| 12:41 | Nate | Good Morning Everyone! |
| 12:41 | jdavidb | Mornin', Nate. :) |
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| 12:42 | schuster | I go home and all kinds of things happen! |
| 12:42 | jdavidb | Indeed. |
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| 12:54 | chris_n | morning owen |
| 12:54 | owen | Hi |
| 12:56 | Some interesting but so far insubstantial communication from LibLime yesterday. | |
| 12:57 | jdavidb | That's a kind way to put it, owne. |
| 12:57 | owen, even. :P | |
| 12:58 | Since I've been asked about it several times, I'll say it here: PTFS will be opening a public git repo for our works-in-progress in the next few days. | |
| 12:58 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: I'm not sure about simply removing the principal_name LDAP config setting - I'm pretty sure it's in use |
| 12:59 | owen | That's great to hear jdavidb. Will you be publicizing it on the mailing list? |
| 12:59 | You could even submit a news item to koha.org :) | |
| 13:00 | gmcharlt | jdavidb++ |
| 13:00 | jdavidb | Yes, I'll be sending a message out once I get it standing up. We've got a *lot* of WIPs, so it may take a while to get them all up there, but I have several in mind to toss out at once. |
| 13:01 | owen | Wow, Roy Tennant's post is no-holds-barred. |
| 13:02 | jdavidb | Indeed. |
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| 13:17 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: would it be really harmful to rely on dn compared with a manually input string ? |
| 13:18 | Is there a way to try and test those ? | |
| 13:19 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: making sure it works with MS Active Directory would be the acid test - that's been driving a lot of the changes |
| 13:19 | * gmcharlt | doesn't have an AD setup, though |
| 13:19 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: I just reported a bug in ModItemFromMarc |
| 13:19 | and sent the patch | |
| 13:24 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: looks OK on first glance, but is there going to be an issue stripping away a UNIMARC 100 that presumably contains the UTF8 flag? |
| 13:26 | * gmcharlt | is also thinking that we could fairly easily get rid of ModItemFromMarc entirely |
| 13:27 | gmcharlt | add just have a routine that parses a MARC item tag to a hashref and use only ModItem to do the actual updating |
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| 13:48 | schuster | Owen - what's the link to Roy Tennants post? |
| 13:49 | owen | http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]t/1050048905.html |
| 13:49 | schuster | thanks |
| 13:49 | Why find it yourself with librarians around ;) | |
| 13:49 | owen | :D |
| 13:49 | That's why my wife never uses the phone book! | |
| 13:49 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: in fact, 100$a is breaking the udpate, so I had to choose |
| 13:50 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: a quick test to see if a diacritic in an item field gets handled correctly is in order, then |
| 13:53 | chris_n | owen: in that case, my wife must be a librarian because I never use a phone book ;-) |
| 13:54 | jdavidb | No librarians in our house, at all--and no librarians, either...just a geek who's learned much from them. :) |
| 13:54 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: tested : No problems with diacritics |
| 13:54 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: cool |
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| 13:55 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: do you have a MSActive Directory Test ? |
| 13:55 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: any chance I could get you to convert that example file from the bug to a test case? |
| 13:55 | hdl_laptop: no, I don't have AD | |
| 13:56 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: I am already convinced how Usefull it could be. |
| 13:56 | But t/lib is still a bit noisy for me. | |
| 13:56 | * jdavidb | gets grumpy with his typo-ridden keyboard. |
| 13:56 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: oh, I'm sure - I'm just being lazy and hoping you'll convert it to a test case so that I don't have to ;) |
| 13:57 | hdl_laptop | But I can do t/db_dependant |
| 13:57 | gmcharlt | that's fine |
| 14:10 | jwagner | XSLT question -- how do you escape a character? I'm putting together a string in XSLT (continuing the SFX link thing) that includes an ampersand, and XSLT does not like the ampersand at all. I've tried \& but that doesn't work. What's the escape code? |
| 14:11 | jdavidb | & ? |
| 14:11 | jwagner | With the semicolon? |
| 14:11 | jdavidb | yes. |
| 14:12 | jwagner | Thanks, that seems to have done it. |
| 14:12 | jdavidb | yabetcha. :) |
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| 14:33 | chris_n | hdl_laptop: I run an AD domain here; I might be able to do some AD auth tests, but it will be later this week or weekend |
| 14:34 | * chris_n | wishes the first menu item in all context menus was 'Paste' |
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| 15:02 | |Lupin| | bye all |
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| 15:11 | jwagner | gmcharlt, around? |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt | jwagner: yep |
| 15:12 | jwagner | Got a fix coming for my XSLT/syspref patch that you just pushed -- one of our people spotted a duplicated line which means the record count is getting doubled. |
| 15:13 | gmcharlt | ok |
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| 15:32 | wizzyrea | dangit owen, I was SO writing that message! |
| 15:32 | almost verbatim! | |
| 15:32 | owen | :) |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | you're way to fast, and I'm too concerned with not skeeving people off |
| 15:33 | :) | |
| 15:33 | owen | I'd love to have your version posted too. Everyone on that list is sick of my ranting by now |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | fair enough, I'll send it :) |
| 15:33 | owen | Besides, that post REALLY needed to be rebutted. |
| 15:34 | "LibLime is the only company doing librarian-driven development?" What have they been telling people? | |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | I think they've been told lots of things |
| 15:35 | like, I"m not sure they are really clear on who the RM is for 3.2 | |
| 15:35 | and what 3.2 even is, for that matter | |
| 15:35 | owen | Exactly. |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | ok, I sent it |
| 15:35 | *ducks and covers* | |
| 15:36 | who exactly do they think is commissioning all of the other features? Firemen? | |
| 15:36 | wtf. | |
| 15:37 | owen | I don't know, it seems like gmcharlt has been approving an awful lot of firemen-oriented features lately. |
| 15:37 | Like that shiny pole leading from cataloging to circulation? | |
| 15:37 | kf | which post are you talking about? |
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| 15:38 | owen | Sorry kf, we're discussing a message on a mailing list for Liblime customers |
| 15:38 | kf | ah ok, no problem |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | owen: alas! you've discovered my secret plot to turn Koha into a fire station management system! |
| 15:38 | owen | A discussion has been started on the subject of the Koha Foundation, and the first post showed some misconceptions |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | based on the immediate goals of the community re: what the foundation should do |
| 15:39 | * owen | should be buried in Drupal themes, but koha drama keeps distracting him |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | ok, poll |
| 15:40 | phonetically, droo pahl, or droo pal, or droo pul | |
| 15:40 | chris_n | drool pool maybe |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | <3 |
| 15:41 | or droolpool | |
| 15:41 | owen | 'The name Drupal, pronounced "droo-puhl," derives from the English pronunciation of the Dutch word "druppel," which means "drop."' |
| 15:41 | http://drupal.org/node/769 | |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | ok, that's what I thought |
| 15:41 | i get so annoyed when people say "droo pahl | |
| 15:41 | * owen | too |
| 15:42 | owen | Sounds like RuPaul |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | yes, their emPHAsis is on the wrong syllAble |
| 15:42 | among other things | |
| 15:42 | kf | droo pahl bringt me to something, how do you pronounce koha and horowhenua? |
| 15:44 | owen | "Koh'-hah" is how I've always heard it |
| 15:44 | jdavidb | The O is long, like in "owen," but pulled back in the throat a little. the a is like the a in "father." |
| 15:45 | kf | owen: thx - giving my first koha presentation on tuesday and start to doubt everything |
| 15:45 | ok, that mathes how it would be pronounced in German | |
| 15:45 | owen | And "Hore - ah - when -ah" I believe, but chris would be able to say more accurately |
| 15:46 | kf | I considered writing horowhenua on my slide and just speaking of hlt... |
| 15:46 | owen | Very pragmatic :) |
| 15:46 | kf | afraid people will ask :) |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 15:48 | jdavidb | I heard him pronounce it close to "hore-ah-when-wah", but he was talking fast; I could be wrong. |
| 15:49 | owen | Yeah, jdavidb that might be better |
| 15:50 | Alright, long afternoon-killing meeting approaching. Time to eat a nap-inducing lunch. | |
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| 15:51 | kf | ok, time to go home (to perhaps finally start working on my slides :( ) - thx and bye :) |
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| 15:53 | * jdavidb | reads the scrollback, and laughs at wizzyrea's way of speech. "skeeving people off?" :P |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | well I didn't think it was quite appropriate to "piss them off" |
| 15:55 | but I just said it so | |
| 15:55 | *sigh* | |
| 15:55 | rhcl | use "piece" as in , "piece them off" |
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| 15:56 | jdavidb | "torque" |
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| 16:03 | wizzyrea | rhcl: good idea |
| 16:06 | jdavidb | @dict skeeve |
| 16:06 | munin` | jdavidb: No definition for "skeeve" could be found. |
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| 16:43 | wizzyrea | come on, you don't find skeeve to be absolutely conveying what I meant, regardless of it's actual existence as a word? |
| 16:44 | jdavidb | Oh, absolutely, wizzyrea...I knew exactly what you meant. Just never heard it before. :P |
| 16:44 | wizzyrea | my husband always laughs at me because I was an english major... but I always make up words |
| 16:44 | but everyone always knows what I mean so... | |
| 16:44 | I'm like the mashup english major | |
| 16:45 | I think the internet has corrupted me though. | |
| 16:45 | somebody: best link to koha history? | |
| 16:46 | most descriptive, thorough web posting regarding said history? | |
| 16:46 | sekjal | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]=docs/history.txt |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | yes, indeed. |
| 16:47 | * jdavidb | snaps his fingers. sekjal beat me to the most complete one. |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | not the most prosaic history, but complete for sure |
| 16:49 | sekjal | at least up to Sept 6 |
| 16:49 | events have, of course, transpired since then. | |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | well, sure :P |
| 16:51 | sekjal | I should get the details of the KUDOS meeting at ALA 09, and pass them along. previous KUDOS meetings were listed |
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| 17:09 | wizzyrea | have any of you ever coded a feature for koha that wasn't asked for by librarians? |
| 17:10 | jdavidb | Not a full feature, no. |
| 17:14 | I've fixed a number of dodgy things that bugged me that librarians wouldn't have ever known about (like the annoying message out of rebuild_zebra that I patched last week). But no big features. | |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | i'm not talking about bugfixes, but features |
| 17:22 | like adding a "checkin all" button or local holds | |
| 17:22 | ok, I just wanted to ask | |
| 17:22 | because there is an implication elsewhere that the community codes features based on personal desire, and not for the benefit or at the direction of librarians | |
| 17:23 | which I find to be laughable | |
| 17:25 | ColinC | Agreed. It would be pointless to do it in a library system |
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| 18:04 | Ropuch | Good evening |
| 18:05 | chris | *sigh* |
| 18:06 | http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]t/1050048905.html | |
| 18:07 | ben ide is back | |
| 18:08 | jdavidb: the wh sound in maori close to an f | |
| 18:09 | i feel that someone rebut his small group of programmers, but i cant cos im a programmer so my opinion doesnt count | |
| 18:10 | * jdavidb | suggests we take up a collection, and mail Ben Ide a big box of clues. |
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| 18:16 | * chris_n | wonders just who "Ben Ide" is |
| 18:17 | chris | http://www.educause.edu/Commun[…]les/BenIde/122774 |
| 18:17 | his library is a WALDO member | |
| 18:17 | chris_n | chris: Is this the same Ben that posted on your blog the other day? |
| 18:17 | chris | yes |
| 18:18 | i have had correspondence with him since, and thought he might be getting it, but nope, it appears not | |
| 18:18 | * chris | reads back |
| 18:18 | chris | ahh, and misinformation being spread on the LL users list too |
| 18:18 | chris_n | interesting comms on code4lib earlier |
| 18:18 | chris | oh? missed that |
| 18:20 | hmm yeah, i dont think i have added a feature not asked for by a librarian either | |
| 18:22 | oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it | |
| 18:22 | forgot that bit | |
| 18:22 | chris_n | lol :-O |
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| 18:23 | gmcharlt | @quote add <chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use i |
| 18:23 | munin` | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #33 added. |
| 18:23 | gmcharlt | @quote remove 33 |
| 18:23 | munin` | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:23 | gmcharlt | @quote add <chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it |
| 18:23 | munin` | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #34 added. |
| 18:29 | wizzyrea | oh wow... someone's on the kool aid selilng path again |
| 18:29 | selling* | |
| 18:32 | chris | oh? |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea | yea, it's like |
| 18:32 | the things this guy says are practically proxies for what a certain CEO would say | |
| 18:33 | "THEY"RE LYING!! THEY DON"T CARE ABOUT YOU!!" | |
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| 18:33 | chris | yes |
| 18:33 | * chris_n | is always leery about drinking koolaid |
| 18:34 | * jdavidb | has a very advanced model of Baloney Detector, so is mostly immune to Kool-Aid. |
| 18:34 | chris | hehe |
| 18:35 | wizzyrea | i hear that red40 causes hyperactivity. maybe that's the problem |
| 18:35 | * gmcharlt | dislikes mixing baloney and kool-aid |
| 18:35 | wizzyrea | not even in the blender, gmcharlt? |
| 18:35 | perhaps especially not there | |
| 18:35 | jdavidb | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwww liz! |
| 18:35 | gmcharlt | I just had lunch :( |
| 18:35 | wizzyrea | oh... sorry |
| 18:35 | * wizzyrea | apologizes profusely |
| 18:35 | gmcharlt | ;) |
| 18:36 | chris | the only thing that annoys me, is the reducing anyone who disagrees with liblime to "a small group of developers" the rest of the FUD doesnt worry me so much |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | yea, you mean... the 60 or so of us that were here yesterady? |
| 18:36 | jdavidb | There are more people in that "small group" than there are that *work* for LibLime. |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | which is no small group... would barely fit in our large meeting room |
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| 18:37 | chris | wb Nate |
| 18:37 | Nate | hey chris! |
| 18:37 | dunno what happened there | |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | it's kind of telling to me that "community" is being demonized :( |
| 18:38 | chris | this your second week at bywater nate? |
| 18:38 | (fulltime that is) | |
| 18:38 | Nate | yes sir |
| 18:38 | chris | wizzyrea: yeah, thats pretty nasty |
| 18:38 | Nate: hows it going? keeping ya busy? | |
| 18:38 | Nate | loving every minute of it |
| 18:38 | submerged in the bywater | |
| 18:39 | chris_n | heh |
| 18:40 | chris | excellent :) |
| 18:40 | Nate | crazy about all of this liblime stuff |
| 18:41 | kinda like when the hobbits returned home to the shire only to find it walled off and scoured by the evils of industrialization | |
| 18:41 | gmcharlt | hi Nate |
| 18:41 | chris | hehe |
| 18:41 | Nate | hi gmcharlt |
| 18:41 | chris | speaking of the hobbit, the movie is all go again |
| 18:42 | Nate | best news ive heard all day |
| 18:42 | they better not mess it up | |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | no doubt, but that's great |
| 18:42 | Nate | I'm a bit of a fan if you haven't noticed |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | tell me they didn't demolish hobbiton.... |
| 18:43 | though I guess it's been years | |
| 18:43 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/enterta[…]ay-for-The-Hobbit |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | best use of an army ever |
| 18:43 | building hobbiton | |
| 18:43 | Nate | definately |
| 18:43 | chris | the army were also orcs and uruk hai |
| 18:43 | in two towers, all those ones marching | |
| 18:43 | who better to get to march in formation :) | |
| 18:44 | Nate | peter jackson looks skinny |
| 18:44 | chris | wizzyrea: most of it's still there |
| 18:44 | wizzyrea | i know! it's nuts! wth happened to him? |
| 18:45 | chris | yeah he has lost a lot of weight |
| 18:46 | Nate | he went from a dwarf to a wizard |
| 18:46 | chris | nate: have i shown you my pictures from the return of the king premiere? |
| 18:46 | Nate | no but I would love to see them |
| 18:47 | you were there!? Luuckeee | |
| 18:47 | chris | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=3564 |
| 18:49 | * jdavidb | sees the "Stamps and Coins" shop in the background, and drools a li'l. Must go there during KohaCon '10. |
| 18:50 | Nate | those are awsome! |
| 18:51 | I shoudve been cast for the roll of pippin | |
| 18:51 | chris | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=1001 |
| 18:51 | we now have galadriel and nazguls in our christmas parades hehe | |
| 18:51 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=1004 | |
| 18:52 | Nate: my brother in law died as an uruk hai in all 3 movies :) | |
| 18:52 | i auditioned for a rider of rohan, couldnt ride well enough tho | |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | didn't guillermo del toro do one of the harry potter movies? |
| 18:52 | the time travel one? | |
| 18:52 | Nate | man i would have loved to be in any part of those movies |
| 18:53 | ive read all the books just about every year since i was nine | |
| 18:53 | wizzyrea | awww, one of the previews on the side was (I think) kahu pointing at something, very sweet picture |
| 18:54 | Nate | im a little puney to be an uruk hai but i could have passed for a hobbit! |
| 18:54 | chris | when all the orcs and uruk hai of the white hand are chanting before they go off to attack the hornburg |
| 18:54 | that was recorded at a cricket match in wellington | |
| 18:54 | at the lunch break | |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | hahahahaha |
| 18:54 | i think I saw that in the special features | |
| 18:54 | Nate | whaaat thats great |
| 18:54 | chris | peter jackson came on the field, and got us all to stamp |
| 18:54 | and chant | |
| 18:54 | so my voice is in there :) | |
| 18:55 | magnusenger | well here we are, confirming the myth of the Koha-techie-nerds... What next? SW and Hitchiker's? ;-) |
| 18:56 | Nate | im moving to New Zealand so im there in 30 years when they do a re-make |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | mean, exclusive, koha techie nerds, i think you mean |
| 18:56 | sekjal | is there a link that will provide me with the date of the last patch submitted by LibLime? |
| 18:57 | cait | discworld? |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | ehh, that point is proven, it's he said/he said at this point |
| 18:57 | magnusenger | wizzyrea: yeah that goes without saying, doesn't it? |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | and it frankly doesn't matter who has done more |
| 18:57 | because that's the past, and this is now | |
| 18:57 | chris | ohh discworld, i love them too cait |
| 18:58 | sekjal: it would have been one from either atz or gmcharlt before they resigned | |
| 18:58 | have to go back to march for the last one from joshua | |
| 18:58 | but like wizzyrea says, i think that point has been made | |
| 18:59 | sekjal | ok. I'm drafting something, and want to have as many references to back up what I say as possible. |
| 18:59 | chris | and that people are willfully not understanding at this point |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | there was discussion this morning that only liblime does development for librarians, with librarians in mind |
| 18:59 | which is ludicrous | |
| 19:00 | sekjal | completely |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | (and I'm technically a customer and I think their behavior is appalling) |
| 19:00 | chris | yeah |
| 19:00 | sekjal | sorry, gtg, circ meeting. be back in a bit |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | me too, staff meeting (nap time) |
| 19:01 | magnusenger | so all the sponsored development - that's just libraries paying good money to let developers scratch their own itches? |
| 19:01 | Ropuch | Wish i cuold take a nap at staff meetings... ;>/ |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | that's the claim |
| 19:01 | collum | wizzyrea: Huh? I was in a meeting all morning and missed that one. |
| 19:03 | chris | collum: on the liblime users list .. are you on that? |
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| 19:04 | jdavidb | Certainly none of the development we're doing is like that. The libraries involved very definitely are driving it, with their dollars. |
| 19:04 | chris | it seems most of the outrageously false stuff is being said there, where it cant be combated by the people being defamed/slandered |
| 19:04 | collum | chris: nope |
| 19:05 | * chris_n | works to grind out another non-librarian useful feature to generate patron cards |
| 19:05 | collum | So an ILS can exist for 10 years without librarian/library input? |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea | well, I would like to say that I truly appreciate all of the hard work you all do to generate features that librarians don't want |
| 19:06 | chris | @quote 33 |
| 19:06 | munin` | chris: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 19:06 | gmcharlt | @quote 34 |
| 19:06 | munin` | gmcharlt: I suck |
| 19:06 | gmcharlt | @quote get 34 |
| 19:06 | munin` | gmcharlt: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) |
| 19:06 | chris_n | wizzyrea: hehe |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea | because if that's the case you've all been doing marvelously at guesswork |
| 19:06 | collum | :) |
| 19:06 | chris_n | coding blindfolded... there's a thought |
| 19:07 | cait | Im with wizzyrea, koha is great software and I hope I can get more involved with it and the community |
| 19:07 | * jdavidb | struggles with his nifty-new feature that librarians won't want--new books list in the OPAC with some syspref configurability.. |
| 19:07 | brendan | yeah I don't any librarians that are interested in that |
| 19:08 | * gmcharlt | awaits first company to tout how their development is actually driven by _patrons_ |
| 19:08 | chris | hehe |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | hey, that would be epic |
| 19:08 | hdl_laptop | hehe |
| 19:08 | I think that nicomo would like that :) | |
| 19:08 | brendan | gmcharlt dully noted :) |
| 19:08 | chris | http://gmlc.wordpress.com/2009[…]25-vokal-meeting/ looks interesting |
| 19:09 | brendan: will you be participating? | |
| 19:09 | brendan | yes I will |
| 19:09 | chris | excellent |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: so, what are these strange non-library entities in France that BibLibre has been busily writing code for? |
| 19:09 | brendan | hopefully talking about some development |
| 19:09 | chris | make sure you ignore the librarians |
| 19:09 | brendan | hehe |
| 19:09 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: ? |
| 19:09 | brendan | I'm excited -- maybe jessmyn will be there |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: a joke - see scrollback about 300 lines back for some interesting claims |
| 19:10 | * brendan | always finds sometime to read her blog |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | hdl: omg, that firefox addon for offline circ = CAN. NOT. WAIT. |
| 19:12 | so...very...exciting | |
| 19:12 | of course, it's precluded by actually getting patron db's occasionally. | |
| 19:12 | sigh | |
| 19:12 | * wizzyrea | mutters something about her support company not being very responsive to requests for the patron sqlite data. |
| 19:13 | jdavidb | they *still* don't have that right, wizzyrea ? |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | no. I think it died when you left |
| 19:13 | hdl_laptop | wizzyrea: no, it doenot fetch patron table at the moment. |
| 19:13 | chris | http://twitter.com/benide/status/4029869085 |
| 19:13 | hdl_laptop | But maybe could. |
| 19:13 | jdavidb | tacky, tacky...but I'm not surprised that they dropped it in the floor. That is not the only one of my good ideas that fell thru. |
| 19:13 | chris | ben gets it right ... but not for the reasons he thinks |
| 19:14 | jdavidb | May have to join Twitter, just t point the Finger of Doom at him. |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | wowie. |
| 19:18 | chris_n | hehe |
| 19:20 | chris | for a guy who has yet to participate in the koha community at all, apart from to slander it, he certainly has a lot of opinions |
| 19:23 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]pment%3Agit_repos | |
| 19:24 | this makes me happy | |
| 19:24 | jdavidb | Some persons are just pathologically unable to appreciate what others do. The stuff they're involved in is all-important, and nothing else matters. It may be that he's that sorta fellow. |
| 19:24 | chris | i note biblibre's public repo is there now too |
| 19:24 | with all their topic branches | |
| 19:24 | awesome | |
| 19:24 | biblibre++ | |
| 19:25 | jdavidb | chris, did you catch my announce after you left this morning? We'll be standing one up in the next few days, too. The chokepoint is me, now--only so many hours in a day. |
| 19:26 | chris | w00t |
| 19:26 | public_repos++ | |
| 19:26 | and i like this blog post | |
| 19:26 | http://www.parser.ca/z678/2009[…]/koha-manoeuvres/ | |
| 19:27 | specifically | |
| 19:27 | "Second, many of these developers are straight from the library community and the developer orientation – to the extent that you can imply it’s a dominating community feature – is and was needed due to the limited leadership and vision coming out of the library land to make sensible technology investment decisions. Without them, you can’t build something from nothing, and that libraries are somehow divorced from this process is ludicrous. You | |
| 19:29 | slef | bah, libraryjournal.com has an eyetest. Meanies. |
| 19:33 | chris | slef: you can buy 2000 captcha cracks for about $2 now |
| 19:33 | its a fairly ineffective anti spam method | |
| 19:34 | brendan | see you in a bit #koha |
| 19:34 | brendan left #koha | |
| 19:43 | magnusenger | god night #koha |
| 19:44 | jdavidb left #koha | |
| 19:49 | collum left #koha | |
| 19:52 | chris | ok, time to catch my bus |
| 19:52 | cyas in a bit | |
| 19:52 | keep up the ignoring | |
| 19:53 | cait | bye chris |
| 19:53 | magnusenger left #koha | |
| 19:54 | chris | oh before i go http://blog.esilibrary.com/200[…]-equinox-promise/ |
| 19:54 | smart people | |
| 19:54 | * chris | goes now |
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| 19:58 | chris_n | equinox++ |
| 20:01 | brendan joined #koha | |
| 20:03 | brendan | heya #koha |
| 20:05 | jwagner | Hi brendan |
| 20:06 | brendan | afternoon jwagner |
| 20:09 | jwagner | Haven't had a chance to look at that diacritic stuff. In my "someday" pile for now.... |
| 20:09 | hdl_laptop | equinox++ |
| 20:10 | jwagner: is there a bug you are referring to ? | |
| 20:10 | jwagner | No, just an email conversation I was having with brendan. |
| 20:10 | Sorry for the confusion. | |
| 20:10 | brendan | hdl_laptop -- I was having a little trouble with searching in OPAC |
| 20:11 | for items with the diacritic é | |
| 20:12 | I thought that if I typed the author name danielou -- I should get back results with " daniélou" | |
| 20:12 | hdl_laptop | Is this composed characters ? |
| 20:12 | jwagner | And I've been having the same problems -- was hoping to pick his brain if he'd come up with anything. |
| 20:12 | hdl_laptop | Or NFC ? |
| 20:12 | Or NFD ? | |
| 20:12 | brendan | not sure what you mean composed characters -- |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | brendan: composed means that a character with a diacritic is represented as a single Unicode code point |
| 20:13 | e.g., the character E WITH ACUTE | |
| 20:13 | jwagner | In my tests I've been cutting & pasting from text which had the diacritic. Haven't tried composing one (you mean typing it on the keyboard with the Alt-whatever code?) |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | decomposed means that it represented as two separate Unicode code points |
| 20:13 | E, followed by COMBINING CHARACTER ACUTE | |
| 20:14 | * gmcharlt | isn't shouting, just taking it from the Unicode doc, btw ;) |
| 20:14 | hdl_laptop | Maybe you should try and test word-phrase-utf8.chr from fr then. |
| 20:14 | brendan | hdl_laptop that is where I ended up |
| 20:14 | hdl_laptop | Another hint would be to use icu-chains |
| 20:14 | brendan | was looking at the file - then got distracted |
| 20:16 | thanks will add the icu-chains (when I get back to that project) | |
| 20:16 | I mean add looking at them :) | |
| 20:16 | jwagner | I remember seeing somewhere a config file where you could enter stuff like search the e with & without the acute -- is that the same file? |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 20:17 | jwagner | OK, it's on my "look-at" pile when I dig out from under all the current stuff. |
| 20:17 | brendan | yup -- so the defaults all look like that is already set |
| 20:18 | jwagner | My site was looking at Korean characters. Don't know if it will paste properly -- title starting with Usu?m kwa kamdong |
| 20:18 | cait | we have hebre |
| 20:18 | w | |
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| 20:18 | cait | it only worked after we changed indexing to icu |
| 20:18 | jwagner | That's Usum with the sideways paren over the um part (sorry, don't know the names of all the diacritics) |
| 20:18 | cait | i think you cant use this mentioned config file with icu |
| 20:19 | jwagner | Do you mean you're using something other than Zebra for your indexing? |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | cait: right |
| 20:19 | cait | zebra with icu |
| 20:19 | using a file from gmcharlt I think (when I remember correctly this time) | |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | jwagner: ICU = C library that handles character normalization |
| 20:20 | Zebra is able to use it | |
| 20:20 | jwagner | Where do you set that up? |
| 20:20 | hdl_laptop | there is one on domwip on biblibre repositori |
| 20:20 | cait | I didnt - let my colleague do that, but I think there is a mail describing it |
| 20:21 | Nate left #koha | |
| 20:21 | cait | no it was hdl's file... http://markmail.org/search/?q=[…]fzx+state:results |
| 20:21 | Nate joined #koha | |
| 20:22 | Nate | i gotta stop doing that |
| 20:22 | cait | will I ever get this right? sorry hdl.. (again) |
| 20:25 | better go to bed now :) - good night #koha | |
| 20:25 | * wizzyrea | prays that this DB import works... stupid help desk software... |
| 20:25 | cait left #koha | |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | ...sorry, had to bmw (b****, moan, whine) |
| 20:31 | owen left #koha | |
| 20:32 | * wizzyrea | wonders if there is an OTRS irc channel... |
| 20:32 | wanders off to find it | |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | <mumble> <groan> |
| 20:36 | jwagner | wizzyrea sounds like she needs a chocolate fix... |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | this is definitely possible |
| 20:38 | jwagner | Would you settle for a virtual chocolate bar? |
| 20:41 | * chris_n | commits some initial work on the new patron card creator |
| 20:42 | chris_n | it should be available in my public repo after 0600 UTC 17/09/09 |
| 20:42 | * chris_n | hopes that's not holding it back too long... ;-) crontab only works so fast |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | jwagner: it's the thought that counts :) at least you made me smile |
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| 20:43 | richard | hi |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | chris_n: I dunno... we want our code and we want it NOW |
| 20:43 | ;) jk | |
| 20:43 | chris_n | hehe |
| 20:44 | but it's only half-baked and has not been 'vetted' yet.... | |
| 20:45 | actually the module test script generates a nice pdf with a patron card full of default values | |
| 20:45 | @later tell slef patron card work for 3.2 is under way | |
| 20:45 | munin` | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:46 | chris_n | bbl |
| 20:48 | Jo joined #koha | |
| 20:50 | chris | back |
| 20:54 | good god | |
| 20:54 | is ben being paid by liblime? | |
| 20:54 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: about C4/Auth_with_ldap.pl ? |
| 20:54 | chris | he's commenting everywhere he can |
| 20:55 | jwagner | chris, where now? |
| 20:55 | chris | jo ransoms blog |
| 20:55 | go after the original koha library .. he's all class | |
| 20:55 | http://library-matters.blogspo[…]e-forks-koha.html | |
| 20:55 | hdl_laptop | I could put principal_name and $userldapentry->dn as default. |
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| 20:56 | * chris | comments too |
| 20:57 | chris | i deleted my first comment |
| 20:57 | which was | |
| 20:57 | jwagner | chris, one of my favorite t-shirts is from the thinkgeek site. It's the SQL query shirt -- select * from users where clue > 0 (0 rows returned) |
| 20:57 | chris | "Ben maybe you are too busy attacking people on the liblime mailing list to read the rest of the thread from that email you posted, its far from categorically untrue" |
| 20:59 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: that woudl work, I think |
| 20:59 | hdl_laptop | So Resend ? |
| 20:59 | gmcharlt | please |
| 21:01 | jwagner | Good night all.... |
| 21:01 | jwagner left #koha | |
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| 21:09 | hdl_laptop | sent |
| 21:12 | chris | hdl_laptop: do you think we should merge the maintenance branch back into 3.0x |
| 21:12 | hdl_laptop | yes. |
| 21:12 | Will do it right away | |
| 21:12 | chris | fabulous |
| 21:14 | hdl_laptop | there may be still some caveats though. |
| 21:15 | chris | oh yeah, we need to do some good testing |
| 21:15 | its software freedom day on sunday | |
| 21:15 | hdl_laptop | But would be less dangerous than leaving this branch as broken as it is. |
| 21:15 | richard | oh yep. chris are you heading along? |
| 21:15 | chris | complete with a hackfest |
| 21:15 | im gonna see if i can get some testing/fixing of 3.0.x branch there | |
| 21:15 | yep, you too richard? | |
| 21:16 | richard | yep |
| 21:17 | hdl_laptop | Circulation would be the more tricky to test |
| 21:17 | and the more important too | |
| 21:17 | chris | yep, i have been testing that |
| 21:17 | schuster | My head hurts need to go home. |
| 21:17 | chris | spotya later schuster |
| 21:18 | oops i shoulda ignored him, he is a librarian | |
| 21:18 | * chris | forgets the rules already |
| 21:18 | schuster | be nice - I do have a minor in computer science, but wouldn't wave that in front of anyone...;) |
| 21:19 | schuster left #koha | |
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| 21:22 | brendan | Well there is a response from a LL customer -- quoting Josh |
| 21:23 | on the mailing list | |
| 21:27 | chris | well all uncertainty is gone then |
| 21:27 | it is a fork | |
| 21:27 | no 2 ways about it | |
| 21:30 | hdl_laptop | If one really wants to remove customer sensitive data from files, they could. |
| 21:30 | chris pushed | |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | sigh |
| 21:31 | at least it's over | |
| 21:32 | chris | yep, i hope someone responds to say that, ill give it a few hours then i might thank daniel for confirming it |
| 21:39 | hdl_laptop: awesome !!! | |
| 21:43 | chris_n2 | jerks-- |
| 21:43 | opps.... | |
| 21:44 | chris | heh |
| 21:45 | chris_n2 | interesting, Asterisk turns 10 this year |
| 21:45 | chris | asterisk rules |
| 21:47 | * brendan | <----- want's clarification on "eventually" - from what I know - "eventually" = "never" |
| 21:48 | brendan | oh well -- time to settle in and do some work -- turn off the koha soap opera for the moment |
| 21:56 | chris_n2 | imho the strongest rebuke to LL now would be for their customers to either go "in-house" or with another vendor |
| 21:57 | * chris_n2 | can't stand doing business with businesses with little to no character, no matter how much I may appreciate their past contributions |
| 21:57 | chris | i hear ya chris_n2 |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | very long contracts for some of us :( |
| 21:58 | chris_n2 | another alternative would be to demand source code per contractual agreement |
| 21:59 | if it was not produced.... breach of contract | |
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| 21:59 | moodaepo | chris_n2 depends on what the contract says |
| 22:01 | * jdavidb | thinks that one other nice thing about this community is that it is rarely dull. ;-) |
| 22:01 | chris | heh |
| 22:02 | jdavidb | So there it is; as soon as that slacker jdavidb gets off his tail and gets PTFS's repo up, LL will be the only one of the big busy vendors without one. |
| 22:03 | moodaepo | PTFS? |
| 22:03 | chris | and they have confirmed they will never have one |
| 22:03 | jdavidb | <-- works for PTFS : http://www.ptfs.com |
| 22:03 | moodaepo | aaah yes I am fairly new but I did know that : ) |
| 22:05 | jdavidb | :) |
| 22:05 | chris | i wonder if they ahve a different repo for each customer |
| 22:05 | jdavidb | They didn't, when I was there. |
| 22:06 | chris | they better, or they are mixing up client sensitive data with other client sensitive datea |
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| 22:06 | chris | of course, this only holds if i believe that is the reason why, and of course i dont |
| 22:06 | jdavidb | right. |
| 22:06 | chris | the lies are becoming more thin and transparent every day |
| 22:07 | rhcl | I'm trying to stay very much on the sideline, but from watching this it reaffirms that there are some advantages to keeping your server in-house rather than hosted. |
| 22:07 | chris | rhcl++ |
| 22:07 | jdavidb | It's kinda like watching a video of a car crash; you *know* it is going to end horribly, but you just can't tear your eyes away... |
| 22:07 | rhcl++ | |
| 22:08 | brendan | ha -- jdavidb -- so true |
| 22:09 | I think -- how quickly can you run a company into the ground ??? | |
| 22:09 | jdavidb | In this deeply-inbred industry? Doesn't take long. Word gets around in a hurry. |
| 22:09 | brendan | ok admit -- maybe a little to harsh -- like the car crash a little bit more |
| 22:09 | rhcl | Waldo seems to have put some serious coin in their pocket..that could last a while. |
| 22:10 | chris | thats contingent on LL having anyone left to do the work rhcl |
| 22:10 | jdavidb | True enough, rhcl, 'specially since they have no staff to pay.... Lose a couple more, and PTFS's Koha team will be bigger than LL's. |
| 22:10 | chris | biblibre's already is |
| 22:11 | not an order of magnitude tho :-) | |
| 22:11 | rhcl | But I assume they've been hiring? |
| 22:11 | chris | rhcl: we'd be the last to know, since the wont be on the mailing lists, irc or submitting patches |
| 22:11 | jdavidb | They have an ad up on their website, but I don't think much of their chances to hire anyone. |
| 22:12 | chris | i cant see that many open source programmers queueing up to work on a vendor fork |
| 22:12 | jdavidb | They'd have to grab someone young and dumb, and that won't help much. |
| 22:12 | (someone who buys the Kool-Aid from management, too) | |
| 22:12 | chris | now that joshua has officially confirmed the fork, i feel free to speak my mind |
| 22:12 | moodaepo | or there are always proprietary ones who can be brought into the company |
| 22:13 | chris | just to explain why i am being so frank |
| 22:13 | rhcl | chris: and you've been holding back!!! :_ |
| 22:13 | brendan | chris++ |
| 22:13 | jdavidb | chris++ |
| 22:13 | * brendan | listening |
| 22:13 | brendan | :) |
| 22:13 | moodaepo | How long did it take to run LL into the ground by the way |
| 22:13 | chris | moodaepo: i dont know of many proprietary perl programmers .. i guess there must be some though ;) |
| 22:14 | moodaepo | I actually have a friend with the darkside who uses perl...it's the bsd license which is attractive. Another one uses it at UBS. |
| 22:15 | jdavidb | moodaepo: As I see it, the wheels started to fall off about last Christmas. The crash-landing isn't complete yet, so maybe a year, by the time it all falls over. |
| 22:15 | rhcl | Hey, does anybody know/remember who it was that released the Koha VM iso? |
| 22:15 | chris | BSD is not copyleft, but its still open source |
| 22:15 | yep, lemme find the link rhcl | |
| 22:15 | jdavidb | Kyle, wasn't it? |
| 22:15 | brendan | yes Kyle |
| 22:15 | chris | kyle did one |
| 22:15 | http://www.mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ | |
| 22:16 | brendan | and the livecd |
| 22:16 | chris | this one is the most recent i know of |
| 22:16 | rhcl | We're having a heck of a time setting static IP addresses with it. |
| 22:16 | chris | ahh the VM one, is kyle yep |
| 22:16 | ping him on the mailing list | |
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| 22:26 | chris_n2 | well, I had to post a response :-P |
| 22:27 | bbl | |
| 22:27 | chris_n2 is now known as chris_n2-away | |
| 22:27 | chris | chris_n2++ |
| 22:28 | that is a wonderful response | |
| 22:31 | collum | excellent response chris_n2 |
| 22:34 | brendan | chris_n2-away++ |
| 22:41 | hdl_laptop left #koha | |
| 22:52 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 22:52 | jdavidb left #koha | |
| 22:56 | chris | poor owen |
| 22:56 | http://twitter.com/oleonard/status/4040171720 | |
| 22:57 | how did joe wilson get on the liblime users list i wonder | |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt | it's a peculiarly USian thing, I think, that the term socialist is a deadly insult |
| 22:57 | chris | oh yeah, over here thats a compliment |
| 22:58 | its like "oh you care about people other than yourself" | |
| 22:58 | brendan | yup I agree with gmcharlt - that's an insult here |
| 22:58 | chris | brendan: yep im sure they meant it as insult |
| 22:58 | ad hominem = you lost | |
| 22:58 | brendan | *sigh* |
| 23:10 | Jo | whoah .. |
| 23:10 | jjust read my emails | |
| 23:11 | Chris_n2 message was pretty hnoinest | |
| 23:11 | chris | yeah |
| 23:12 | i wish that the supporters could show the same level of intellectual honesty | |
| 23:12 | (supporters of the fork that is) | |
| 23:13 | for librarians, they seem spectularly unable to do basic research | |
| 23:13 | labouring under the delusion liblime created koha, and that no one else ever has had anything to do with it | |
| 23:14 | and that even if they had, it would be without any input from libraries/librarians | |
| 23:14 | Jo | well liblime kminds encouraged that myth |
| 23:14 | hence why we had to stick to our guns with the code4lib story | |
| 23:14 | chris | of course, but its not hard to disprove with some basic research |
| 23:15 | its also telling that the biggest detractors of the community, are those that have chosen never to become involved | |
| 23:17 | anyone who resorts to calling someone a socialist as if it was an insult, probably has a tenuous grasp on reality anyway | |
| 23:17 | * chris | is over this bullshit |
| 23:17 | chris | can you tell? |
| 23:21 | Jo | yep :) |
| 23:21 | i am too tobe honest | |
| 23:22 | i think joshua has made his bed now and will have to lie in it. | |
| 23:22 | brendan | overthisbullshit++ |
| 23:22 | hi Jo | |
| 23:23 | little embarrassed for my home state (ben ide) is from the same state that I grew up in | |
| 23:29 | Jo | waves at Brendan ;) |
| 23:30 | (still feeling very warm towards to Brendan for hiring Nicole :) | |
| 23:30 | brendan | YAY -- we are so excited |
| 23:30 | nengard++ | |
| 23:31 | Nicole will help us out so much | |
| 23:31 | And we are going encourage her to get more involved in the community -- if that is even possbile | |
| 23:37 | Jo | enough picking over old bones - off to do real work now - librarian work ... not developer work :) (coz you know, they are like the bad guys :) |
| 23:37 | chris | hehe |
| 23:37 | gmcharlt | socialist non-librarian developers of the world, unite! |
| 23:43 | brendan | United !! |
| 23:44 | Looking for a KOHA socialist t-shirt to send to owen |
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