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| 02:11 | pianohacker | ops++ |
| 02:14 | chris | sharing the love, that way if someone falls off, there should be someone still with ops |
| 02:14 | pianohacker | ok. I won't let you down, sir! |
| 02:14 | chris | and now should be able set the topic without ops too |
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| 02:19 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha - don't ask to ask a question, just ask your question :) | |
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| 02:21 | chris | cool |
| 02:56 | brendan | good night #koha |
| 02:58 | pianohacker | Good night |
| 02:58 | chris | night brendan |
| 03:05 | pianohacker | Good night, #koha |
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| 03:25 | Amit | hi chris, brendan |
| 03:25 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:26 | chris | hi Amit |
| 03:30 | Amit | hi indradg |
| 03:39 | chris_n2-away is now known as chris_n2 | |
| 03:39 | chris_n2 | hi Amit |
| 03:39 | Amit | hi chris_n2 |
| 03:39 | n2 means | |
| 03:40 | chris_n2 | n => nighswonger 2 =>my second location nick |
| 03:41 | Amit | ok |
| 03:49 | chris_n2 | g'night |
| 03:49 | chris_n2 is now known as chris_n2-away | |
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| 04:24 | richard | andrea? |
| 04:24 | heh, wrong # | |
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| 06:45 | chris | hi hdl_laptop and laurence |
| 06:46 | laurence | hello chris |
| 06:48 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 06:57 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha - english channel about Koha ILS - don't ask to ask, please, just ask your questions | |
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| 07:10 | chris | hi cait |
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| 07:22 | chris | hi nicomo_laptop |
| 07:22 | nicomo_laptop | hi chris |
| 07:22 | chris | re your placing holds on items on issue |
| 07:22 | nicomo_laptop | yes |
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| 07:23 | chris | some libraries have a short loan time, and no renewals |
| 07:23 | on certain itemtypes | |
| 07:23 | people often want to place a hold on it if they havent finished reading it | |
| 07:23 | so they can get it out again | |
| 07:24 | CGI752 left #koha | |
| 07:24 | chris | of course if it has other holds on it, they get priority |
| 07:24 | but if not, theres no reason they shouldnt be allowed to get it out again | |
| 07:25 | nicomo_laptop | ok, get it |
| 07:25 | but not sure it's a good idea | |
| 07:25 | have to leave for a meeting | |
| 07:25 | chris | be that as it may |
| 07:25 | nicomo_laptop | will ping you back on this |
| 07:25 | chris | libraries do it |
| 07:26 | so koha has to be able to do | |
| 07:26 | it | |
| 07:26 | which is why it should be a syspref | |
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| 07:26 | chris | so libraries that dont want to allow it can turn it off |
| 07:26 | * chris | assumes nicomo will read the log :) |
| 07:27 | chris | (libraries do lots of things that arent good ideas :)) |
| 07:29 | * chris | goes to put kahu to bed |
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| 07:34 | cait | hi chris |
| 07:36 | |Lupin| | good morning #koha |
| 07:36 | hi cait | |
| 07:37 | cait | hi lupin :) |
| 07:43 | |Lupin| | chris: around ? |
| 07:46 | cait | (09:29:17) ***chris goes to put kahu to bed |
| 07:47 | |Lupin| | cait: thanks a ot for your awareness |
| 07:50 | cait | I think he will be back soon |
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| 07:52 | |Lupin| | cait: yep, probably |
| 07:54 | chris | back |
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| 07:56 | |Lupin| | ah hi chris |
| 07:57 | chris: I'd like to ask a question about what may be a bug in Koha. | |
| 07:58 | chris: to sum up: private virtual shelves are not displayed with lynx in the staff client. However, they appear at OPAC, and public shelves are displayed correctly in the staff client. | |
| 07:58 | chris: any idea where the problem could come from ? | |
| 07:58 | chris | the template |
| 08:00 | |Lupin| | chris: one more thing: the pages says NO private shelves" explicitly. (not sure about how it is phrased in english, that's just the tranlsation of what I can see in french) |
| 08:02 | * |Lupin| | investigating |
| 08:02 | chris | ahh in that case, it might be that you cant see other peoples private shelves |
| 08:03 | is the user you have logged in with, the one that made the shelf? | |
| 08:04 | |Lupin| | chris: yes |
| 08:05 | chris | in that case sounds like a bug |
| 08:07 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah, the shelves are visible in Firefox, but not in lynx |
| 08:14 | chris: shall I report this ? which severity do you suggest ? | |
| 08:15 | chris | normal i thnk |
| 08:16 | |Lupin| | chris: k |
| 08:20 | hdl_laptop | |Lupin|: which version are you working on ? |
| 08:22 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: HEAD |
| 08:22 | hdl_laptop: from the master branch | |
| 08:22 | hdl_laptop | ok |
| 08:45 | bigbrovar | yo morning everyone (yeah i know but u get the idea) |
| 08:46 | chris | :) |
| 08:47 | bigbrovar | hey chris .. am having some problems importing catalogs from OO.o spreedsheet to koha, i tried using some marcEdit tool. but it was a huge fail .. |
| 08:48 | i saved the spreedsheet as cvs, then to a txt file and tried using the marcedit to convert the cvs to marc.. but things didnt go accounding to plan | |
| 08:49 | csv* | |
| 08:51 | am going to try again today to see where i went wrong | |
| 08:51 | chris | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]nuary/016656.html |
| 08:51 | might help | |
| 08:51 | bigbrovar | thanks |
| 08:53 | one question .. i set our lkoha to use DCC for classification, because the librarian said the catalog on the spreedsheet is based on same.. does that mean the koha marc tags would be based on dcc ( am a little confused in that area) | |
| 08:55 | chris | its more dependent on whether you are using MARC21 on UNIMARC |
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| 08:56 | bigbrovar | oh ok |
| 08:57 | thanks for the link .. i will give it another try .. | |
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| 09:13 | |Lupin| | can someone please remind me how to assign to a hash ? |
| 09:14 | more precisely: how to add a key-value pair to an existing table ? | |
| 09:14 | chris | $hash{'key'}='value'; |
| 09:14 | thats to a hash | |
| 09:15 | if its a hashref its $hashref->{'key'} = 'value'; | |
| 09:15 | |Lupin| | chris: thanks ! |
| 09:15 | I tried this and it didn't quite work... | |
| 09:15 | chris: to declare the hash is it my %hash = (); ? | |
| 09:15 | chris | just my %hash; |
| 09:16 | or my %hash = {}; | |
| 09:16 | () is list | |
| 09:16 | |Lupin| | chris: ok... |
| 09:16 | chris: yeah but I thoght it was okay to assign the empty list to a hash, to mean the hash is empty | |
| 09:16 | chris | nope |
| 09:16 | you are overloading it | |
| 09:17 | its not a hash if you assign a list to it | |
| 09:17 | my %hash; is fine | |
| 09:20 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, thanks a lot. Learned some Perl but apparently not enough |
| 09:20 | chris | :) |
| 09:26 | hdl_laptop | chris |Lupin| you can assign a pair-wised list into a hash in perl. |
| 09:26 | No problem with that | |
| 09:26 | |Lupin| | chris: $h{'a'} = $book->{'boAuthorLN'}); gives a syntax error.. |
| 09:26 | chris: canyou see why ? | |
| 09:26 | hdl_laptop | ) |
| 09:27 | just before ; | |
| 09:27 | chris | yep you cant assign an empty list tho hdl_laptop |
| 09:28 | you are overloading it to be an array in that context | |
| 09:28 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: yeah I kind of remembered having seen it in my Perl book. I just didn't remembered that an empty list was not a paired list |
| 09:29 | chris | well you can, but its unnessecary |
| 09:31 | |Lupin| | chris: k, thanks for the clarification |
| 09:32 | chris | its much nicer in perl6 |
| 09:33 | |Lupin| | chris: will this language ever be used ? |
| 09:34 | chris | yep |
| 09:34 | people are using it already | |
| 09:34 | |Lupin| | chris: any schedule for that ? |
| 09:34 | chris | not really, when it's done |
| 09:34 | rakudo is a fairly complete implementation tho | |
| 09:35 | http://perlcabal.org/syn/Differences.html#Sigils | |
| 09:35 | simple differences, that make it a lot nicer | |
| 09:35 | |Lupin| | ok ! |
| 09:35 | is the implementation in Haskell ? | |
| 09:37 | chris | parrot is C |
| 09:37 | |Lupin| | ok |
| 09:37 | * |Lupin| | has nothing against Haskell btw... that would more be the countrary actually |
| 09:37 | chris | and rakudo runs on that |
| 09:38 | pugs is haskell | |
| 09:38 | so you can use either | |
| 09:39 | if you like haskell, you will like the fact you can do some nice functional programming with perl6 | |
| 09:41 | (it has reductions like say [+] 1..5; ) | |
| 09:41 | say [*] 1..5; | |
| 09:41 | etc | |
| 09:42 | |Lupin| | that's nice indeed |
| 09:42 | the syntax for doing maps and things like that looks much heavier in Perl5 than in languages such as Haskel, to me | |
| 09:43 | chris | yeah maps are more like haskel |
| 09:43 | in perl6 | |
| 09:43 | also instead of $hash{key}=value | |
| 09:44 | %hash{key}=vaule, more readable imo | |
| 09:44 | |Lupin| | agreed |
| 09:45 | chris | http://www.oreillynet.com/onla[…]_operator_zi.html |
| 09:45 | i like zip too :) | |
| 09:47 | |Lupin| | yeah |
| 09:48 | I think those usign functional languages couldn't live without it | |
| 09:48 | I'm wondering how much work it would represent to get rid of bulkmarcimport's warnings... | |
| 09:50 | chris | not much, some ifs |
| 09:51 | |Lupin| | is it worth a bug report as a first step ? or would just sending a patch be OK ? |
| 09:51 | chris | sending a patch is ok |
| 09:51 | * |Lupin| | may be able to do it if it's not too difficult |
| 09:51 | |Lupin| | chris: k |
| 09:57 | chris: is it ok to add things to virtualshelves manually ? Not sure what will happen with the timstamp, and what to use for the flags... | |
| 09:58 | chris | don't know im afraid |
| 09:58 | |Lupin| | k |
| 09:59 | thanks | |
| 09:59 | Isn't there a documentation of the database format on the wiki somewhere ? | |
| 09:59 | can't find it at the moment... | |
| 10:00 | hdl_laptop | zeno put some online some time ago |
| 10:02 | |Lupin| | hmm it's a schema, I assume it does say a lot about the flags |
| 10:29 | +not | |
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| 10:43 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 10:43 | op!!!!!! | |
| 10:43 | chris | heh |
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| 11:18 | * gmcharlt | awaits the development of TCP/IP over smoke signal |
| 11:28 | Amit | heya galen, lupin |
| 11:29 | gmcharlt | hi Amit |
| 11:36 | |Lupin| | hello Galen! |
| 11:37 | hi Amit | |
| 11:37 | gmcharlt | hi |Lupin| |
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| 12:10 | imp | heyho |
| 12:11 | * chris_n | notes gmcharlt's reference to ham radio with interest |
| 12:11 | chris_n | I think I'll start submit my work by packet radio via moon bounce :-) |
| 12:12 | gmcharlt | chris_n: actually, bouncing radio signals off the moon at me would not be such a good idea |
| 12:12 | * gmcharlt | is not actually a ham operator |
| 12:12 | |Lupin| | who's gonna moderate the meeting btw ? |
| 12:12 | gmcharlt | I will |
| 12:13 | |Lupin| | great |
| 12:13 | jdavidb | chris_n: Are you a ham? |
| 12:13 | chris_n | jdavidb: ku4dd |
| 12:13 | Amit | hi jwagner, jdavidb |
| 12:13 | jdavidb | KU4DD GM OM DE KB5GHE. |
| 12:14 | chris_n | cool! |
| 12:14 | jdavidb | I haven't been active in a while, but I was working slow-code traffic and local NTS nets in Texas for a while. |
| 12:15 | chris_n | jdavidb: when did you get your ticket? |
| 12:15 | jdavidb | 1988. I'm still listed as Technician; I was "Tech-Plus" for many moons, since I had the 5 wpm code. |
| 12:16 | * jdavidb | finds it hard to fathom that he will soon be eligible for QCWA. *shudder* |
| 12:16 | chris_n | I got my first license in 92 |
| 12:17 | jdavidb | My interests were mostly in paper-chasing and traffic. Paper-chasing appeals to the OCD geek in me. |
| 12:17 | chris_n | then worked like a dog and passed 20wpm when testing for 15 |
| 12:17 | heh | |
| 12:18 | jdavidb | I never quite managed to bust the 10 wpm barrier. I passed the General written back in the five-class days, but never could get that code. |
| 12:18 | chris_n | I've done a bit of satellite work (hence my interest in galen's post) but mostly do ARES stuff now |
| 12:19 | opps... s/15/10/... you can tell its been a while since I worked cw :-P | |
| 12:19 | jdavidb | A few people say that NTS is really antiquated and should be discarded, but I disagree; I've seen it help people out, and actually managed to handle some WELFARE-class traffic during Katrina. |
| 12:19 | chris_n | when hurricane Fran hit NC we were the sole source of comms for our county |
| 12:20 | jdavidb | For EMERGENCY and DISASTER classes, there are usually faster ways, but WELFARE is a really useful service, IMO. |
| 12:22 | I had looked into MARS, but that system has just about been made moot, with most ships and posts having sat email now... | |
| 12:23 | chris_n | Fran was an interesting lesson in how sophisticated technologies can fail dramatically under massive stress |
| 12:23 | jdavidb | You'd think people would remember that sort of thing...it happens with hurricanes, but 9/11 was another example. |
| 12:23 | chris_n | it resulted in us obtaining state and federal funding for much needed equipment, etc. |
| 12:24 | * chris_n | thinks he has digressed from the topic of koha, though |
| 12:24 | jdavidb | heheh. |
| 12:25 | chris_n | and blames it on gmcharlt |
| 12:25 | ;-) | |
| 12:25 | jdavidb | Yes. gmcharlt is to blame |
| 12:28 | gmcharlt | chris_n: implement a method to send overdue notices by packet radio, and you'll be back on topic ;) |
| 12:29 | chris_n | lol! |
| 12:29 | jdavidb | Hm...an e-mail-to-NTS gateway... |
| 12:29 | chris_n | gmcharlt: is something wrong with http://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git/ |
| 12:29 | jdavidb++ | |
| 12:29 | gmcharlt: looks like a bare repo directory listing | |
| 12:29 | from here | |
| 12:29 | gmcharlt | chris_n: nope - that's what you're supposed to get |
| 12:30 | http://git.koha.org/ is for the pretty gitweb | |
| 12:32 | chris_n | k |
| 12:34 | |Lupin| | folks |
| 12:34 | is it planned to add a field for records saying who has created that record ? | |
| 12:34 | (or imported) ? | |
| 12:34 | if it's not planned, would it represent a lot of work ? would a patch doing that be acceepted ? | |
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| 12:40 | |Lupin| | hm ? |
| 12:41 | have I said something I shouldn't have ? :-) | |
| 12:41 | jdavidb | I can't imagine that it would be a huge problem, Lupin, to add a field to biblio, for instance, and fill in who created it. |
| 12:41 | (or even last-modified, too) | |
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| 12:42 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: right... maybe my next patch |
| 12:43 | jdavidb | If you wanted to keep up with changes to the MARC--who did what--that'd be hairier, but a single field for who initially created? Should be easy enough. |
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| 12:46 | |Lupin| | k |
| 12:46 | thanks jdavidb | |
| 12:46 | owen | Wow, #koha has a topic |
| 12:47 | jdavidb | you betcha. I think it's a swell idea, for what that is worth, and look forward to seeing it implemented. |
| 12:47 | Howdy, owen. :) | |
| 12:48 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: Well, If I can find a mentor, I may do it |
| 12:49 | jdavidb | Lupin, I don't have gobs of free time for detailed stuff, but if you want someone to look it over before you throw it to gmcharlt, I'd be happy to do that. :) |
| 12:50 | I'm not The Patch King or anything, but I don't mind putting another set of eyes on it for ya. | |
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| 13:00 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: ok, thanks. Since I have really no experience I expect that the first attempts will not be very good, I may to look into some places and so, so I need some instructions about which places I should check, after I have done a patch |
| 13:00 | simpler quesiton atm | |
| 13:01 | my librarian tells me she does not know how to modify records | |
| 13:02 | she says she clicks on the modify button of a record, but then she does not know how to, say, add a MARC field | |
| 13:02 | could someone please give a hint ? | |
| 13:04 | jdavidb | If it's a field that is in the framework, the little + out the right of the field name will let you add another one like that. Like, 247 _ _ - FORMER TITLE + - Just click the + to add another one. |
| 13:05 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: yep I hink that she has found out. |
| 13:06 | jdavidb: but if a field is in the cataloguing framework and there is no such field currently in the record, will the field still appear in the interface with a + sign and clicking on it will insert one ? | |
| 13:07 | jdavidb | They do on mine. You don't have to click the + in that case; clicking the title expands out the subfields. |
| 13:08 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: and then, once the subfields are expanded, how do you edit them ? |
| 13:09 | jdavidb | Just type in the boxes. Subfields you don't want, just leave blank. |
| 13:11 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: ok, and that works as soon as the fields are part of the catataloguing framework, so if a field is not listed it means one has to add it to the cataloguing framework to be able to edit it. Is that correct ? |
| 13:12 | jdavidb | I believe that is correct, yes. |
| 13:12 | brendan | morning |
| 13:12 | jdavidb | Howdy, Brendan. |
| 13:13 | brendan | howdy jdavidb |
| 13:14 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: okay, thaks a lot !!! |
| 13:15 | jdavidb | You betcha. :) |
| 13:16 | |Lupin| | what does betcha mean ? I guess it's the contraction for something ? |
| 13:16 | jdavidb | Ah, the language barrier. "You betcha." is another way to say "Sure thing, no problem!" |
| 13:16 | |Lupin| | also: it seems my LANG category of authorised values has no possible value associated to it. Is that normal ? |
| 13:17 | owen | "You bet", meaning "You can bet on it" meaning "You can bet on it and win because it is true" meaning "Yes" |
| 13:17 | * jdavidb | talks like a Texan too much some times. |
| 13:18 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: oh it's an expression used in Texas ? |
| 13:18 | jdavidb | It's used all over, I'm sure, but Texans do say it a lot. |
| 13:18 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: k |
| 13:20 | owen | I guess it's really "you betcha" like "You betcher boots" as in "You can bet your boots" as in your important horse-riding Texas boots |
| 13:21 | jdavidb | Heh. Probably so--though I do ride, but don't own any boots. |
| 13:22 | jwagner | owen, question for you (or anyone) on the OPAC search results? |
| 13:23 | When you've done a search and have your results list, there's a box for changing the sort order. Default is relevance, but you can also sort Author A-Z, etc. What index is the author sort using? | |
| 13:23 | I can tell what indexes are being used for the searches, but can't see what's controlling the sort. | |
| 13:24 | * owen | knows nothing of indexes |
| 13:24 | jwagner | But, but, you're the King of the OPAC!!! :-) |
| 13:24 | * owen | is very shallow--it's all the surface stuff I know about |
| 13:26 | jwagner | Drat. It _looks_ like the sort is basing off the 100 (or maybe 1xx) fields, but the Author display is pulling from 100/7xx fields. So when you do an Author A-Z search, the display shows lots of authors near the end of the alphabet first, but when I looked at their MARCs, they didn't have 100s but did have 700s. |
| 13:28 | |Lupin| | anybody knows if there are some values defined for the LANG authorised value somewhere in Koha, please ? |
| 13:31 | owen | Our installation does not include one |
| 13:31 | |Lupin|: Where do you expect it to be used? | |
| 13:31 | |Lupin| | owen: ahah ! So it's up to each library to define it ? |
| 13:32 | owen | |Lupin|: Where do you expect it to be used? |
| 13:33 | |Lupin| | owen: there is a MARC field where you can define the language of the document and which is bound to this authorised value, at least on the installation we have here |
| 13:35 | owen | I thought in order for a field to be linked to an authorized value the authorized value had to exist |
| 13:37 | The "Other Options" part of marc_subfields_structure.pl pulls from existing authorized values to generate the select form field. | |
| 13:37 | |Lupin| | owen: yeah precisely, so this field couldn't be edited, because there is no authorised value LANG here |
| 13:38 | owen | So you have a LANG category but no existing values for it? |
| 13:40 | |Lupin| | owen: I have a marc field linked to this category, but no value for it |
| 13:41 | an authorised value can't exist without having at least one value associated to it | |
| 13:42 | owen | Is there a LANG category defined in authorized values? |
| 13:43 | Where is the MARC field you're referring to? | |
| 13:43 | |Lupin| | it's an unimarc one |
| 13:43 | 101$a | |
| 13:44 | owen: and no there was no lang category in authorised_values | |
| 13:44 | that was my problem | |
| 13:44 | owen | Then I don't understand how a MARC field could be linked to a LANG category |
| 13:46 | |Lupin| | owen: clearl on the web interface you can only link a marc field to an existing authorised value |
| 13:47 | owen: but perhaps this is one of the things that are in the pre-installed database, at this level there is no check to ensure that the authorised value yu link to really exists | |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | @later tell chris_n thanks for the label rewrite with the print time label settings. that will make the labels module a lot better. Can't wait to see it! |
| 14:05 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:06 | owen | community contributions++ |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | yepper. So excited. |
| 14:17 | |Lupin| | folks |
| 14:18 | our librarian tells me that when she tries to modify a record and then saves it, Koha complains that some fields are mandatory. Where is it that this is defined, please ? | |
| 14:19 | jdavidb | That'd be in the framework, I imagine. |
| 14:19 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: k... |
| 14:20 | thanks | |
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| 15:04 | jdavidb | Howdy jmr. :) |
| 15:04 | jmr | Hi jdb |
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| 15:18 | jdavidb | howdy, pianohacker! |
| 15:18 | |Lupin| | hello pianohacker ! |
| 15:19 | pianohacker | Hello, David, Sébastien |
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| 15:31 | fredericd | hi |
| 15:32 | pianohacker | Hello |
| 15:34 | |Lupin| | pls |
| 15:34 | we try to add a record into KOha | |
| 15:34 | we define a language in 101$a | |
| 15:35 | but when we try to save the record it says 101$A is not defined | |
| 15:35 | anyh idea where this can come from, pls ? | |
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| 15:40 | owen | |Lupin|: I think you'll have to find a Unimarc person to help you. paul_p or hdl_laptop maybe. |
| 15:43 | fredericd | or fredericd |
| 15:43 | owen | :) |
| 15:45 | pianohacker | jwagner: what do you have against Romans? |
| 15:46 | |Lupin| | fredericd: hello, nice to see you again around |
| 15:46 | fredericd: any idea ? | |
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| 15:47 | rhcl | @seen chris |
| 15:47 | munin | rhcl: chris was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 4 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <chris> heh |
| 15:47 | fredericd | |Lupin|: Never seen. I'd need to see more to help you in any mean |
| 15:49 | rhcl | @seen wizzyrea |
| 15:49 | munin | rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 34 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> yepper. So excited. |
| 15:49 | rhcl | wizzyrea: you on |
| 15:49 | ? | |
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| 15:52 | |Lupin| | fredericd: like what would you need to see ? |
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| 15:55 | miguelacalvo | hello |
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| 16:00 | miguelacalvo | hi |
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| 16:09 | wizzyrea | rhcl sup |
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| 16:09 | wizzyrea | sorry had a meeting |
| 16:11 | rhcl | I just talked w/ Greg xxx, assistant director at Lincoln Public LIbraries. Seems that they have a consortium (Project Pioneer) of 7 libraries representing 45% of Nebraska, and they are going to Koha. |
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| 16:16 | jwagner | pianohacker, was off on another screen for a while. I don't got nothin' against Romans! But one of my sites does.... |
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| 16:25 | owen | Hi vickiteal |
| 16:25 | jdavidb | Hi, vickiteal! :) |
| 16:26 | kr1shnan | Hi schuster! |
| 16:28 | slef | hi all |
| 16:29 | kr1shnan | slef: well, that settles it... |
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| 16:37 | gmcharlt | hi slef, vickiteal |
| 16:38 | & hi kr1shnan | |
| 16:39 | kr1shnan | gmcharlt: Hi, when do we begin? just can't remember offhand... |
| 16:39 | pianohacker | Hello, all |
| 16:39 | kr1shnan: 19:00 UTC | |
| 16:39 | cait | hello all |
| 16:39 | pianohacker | Comes out to 3:00 PM here in MDT |
| 16:39 | gmcharlt | kr1shnan: i.e., 2 hours and 19 minutes from now |
| 16:39 | kr1shnan | thanks, all |
| 16:39 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: so how does that work out to 3:00 PM MDT? |
| 16:40 | pianohacker | Hm. Nevermind. 1:00 |
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| 16:46 | kr1shnan | gmcharlt: The idea of a Koha day, was that today or 6th September... |
| 16:47 | gmcharlt | kr1shnan: 6 September |
| 16:48 | |Lupin| | till soon all, c u for the meeting |
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| 16:57 | vickiteal | Hi all. Finally figured out how this works. See you later. |
| 16:57 | pianohacker | cya |
| 16:58 | schuster | Koha day??? Sept 6th? Is this a secret society thing? |
| 16:59 | pianohacker | It's when the developers all get together to plot new bugs to make your life difficult |
| 16:59 | cait | schuster: its feature freeze and a date from koha history |
| 17:00 | pianohacker | Also feature freeze, yes |
| 17:00 | brendan | pianohacker++ |
| 17:00 | cait | September 6 1999Work starts on Koha |
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| 17:01 | schuster | Ah thank you for that clarification. |
| 17:02 | cait | 10th birthday of koha :) |
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| 17:12 | * chris_n | runs out to get virtual hors d'œuvre for the meeting |
| 17:13 | pianohacker | Hmm. Had dark chocolate cake with cocoa whipped cream icing and raspberries |
| 17:13 | schuster | wizzyrea - are you pac holds working |
| 17:13 | pianohacker | If anyone wants to fly to Colorado, I can share |
| 17:13 | schuster | hmmmm... |
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| 17:31 | chris_n | dark chocolate cake with cocoa whipped cream icing and raspberries++ |
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| 17:34 | * jdavidb | likes Jesse's idea for the purpose of Koha Day... |
| 17:34 | jdavidb | Anything to make your life more difficult, schuster. |
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| 18:10 | * owen | isn't sure what to make of the "new koha installer" message to the Koha list |
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| 18:13 | jdavidb | I'm with you on that, owen. Koha already has a decent install package... |
| 18:20 | chris_n | maybe this one would push the buttons and work the mouse... ;-) |
| 18:21 | pianohacker | If they can make a Koha 3.0 Windows Installer, I'd be very interested |
| 18:22 | kr1shnan | i think the best installer is where you do an "apt-get install koha" |
| 18:22 | chris_n | pianohacker: you have seen the work we've done thus far? |
| 18:22 | kr1shnan | and you answer a few prompts and its done |
| 18:22 | pianohacker | chris_n: I've heard rumblings, but no links |
| 18:23 | kr1shnan | i know some people have done work on this...debian packaging... |
| 18:23 | chris_n | pianohacker: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]installer_project |
| 18:23 | last time I touched it was jan 08 | |
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| 18:24 | |Lupin| | hi again, al |
| 18:25 | chris_n | pianohacker: XML::LibXSLT is the real holdup |
| 18:25 | pianohacker | ok |
| 18:25 | XSLT strikes again | |
| 18:39 | chris | morning |
| 18:39 | pianohacker | Good early morning |
| 18:40 | |Lupin| | hi chris |
| 18:40 | thanks for being here | |
| 18:40 | brb | |
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| 18:40 | chris | kr1shnan: http://git.debian.org/?p=colla[…]oha.git;a=summary |
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| 18:40 | chris | just needs to be finished |
| 18:41 | owen: me either, I think i asked the important (well important to me) question | |
| 18:41 | slef | kr1shnan: you ought to be using aptitude in debian>5.0 |
| 18:41 | chris | free as in cost i dont care about at all |
| 18:41 | owen | Can't be too careful these days |
| 18:42 | pianohacker | slef: Does aptitude have a command to see what files a package contains (<-- soon to be a very reluctant debian user) |
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| 18:42 | slef | pianohacker: no, use dpkg -L packagename for that |
| 18:43 | well, it might | |
| 18:43 | * slef | checks |
| 18:43 | pianohacker | Cool. That makes apt/dpkg a little less teeth-grindingly unpleasant |
| 18:43 | ricardo | Hi everyone. I'll just have a quick dinner and then I'll get back here (to the meeting). But feel free to start it, anyway! :) |
| 18:44 | pianohacker | Hi, ricardo :) |
| 18:44 | chris | dpkg -L has worked forever pianohacker :) |
| 18:44 | pianohacker | Heh. I imagine, just never knew about it before |
| 18:44 | chris_n | hi chris |
| 18:45 | chris | apt-cache is handy too |
| 18:45 | pianohacker | Yup. |
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| 18:47 | laurenthdl | hello |
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| 18:47 | |Lupin| | back |
| 18:47 | pianohacker | Hi, Henri, |Lupin| |
| 18:48 | laurenthdl | hi jesse |
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| 18:48 | |Lupin| | hello henri-damien |
| 18:51 | sekjal | how much code would I need to edit to display the Materials Specified instead of the Call Number for items attached to serial biblios? |
| 18:51 | pianohacker | laurenthdl: Is your first name Henri-Damien, or is your middle name Damien? |
| 18:51 | sekjal | in both the staff client and the opac |
| 18:52 | hdl_laptop | well... since you ask, my first name is Henri-Damien my surname is LAURENT |
| 18:52 | pianohacker | If you wanted to _only_ one instead of the other, you could set the itemcallnumber syspref or remap the field |
| 18:52 | hdl_laptop | pianohacker++ |
| 18:52 | pianohacker | Doing both in different situations would involve editing templates and possibly some database APIs |
| 18:53 | sekjal | figured as much |
| 18:53 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: My mom's first name is two words too, and it annoys her when people only call her by the first |
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| 18:54 | owen | pianohacker: I'll be she can quickly identify telemarketers and used car salesmen that way |
| 18:54 | sekjal | we don't give call numbers to our serials, and we don't usual specify materials for our monographs, so testing on biblio.serial would probably work well for us |
| 18:54 | hdl_laptop | my mom told all my friends "put a coin" whenever they called me only by the 1rst one |
| 18:54 | chris_n | lol owen |
| 18:54 | jdavidb | Howdy, Colin. :) |
| 18:54 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: Haha |
| 18:55 | brendan | just made it back in time :) |
| 18:55 | pianohacker | owen: Heh, yeah. Also anyone reading her name off a form |
| 18:55 | chris | hdl_laptop: te po atarau has 3 first names :) |
| 18:55 | hdl_laptop | who is te po atarau ? |
| 18:55 | chris | my son |
| 18:56 | hdl_laptop | Does it mean anything ? |
| 18:56 | slef | pianohacker: dpkg -S filename is also handy |
| 18:56 | tells you which package gave a file | |
| 18:56 | pianohacker | slef++ |
| 18:56 | That could be very handy | |
| 18:57 | slef | great timing for my network connection to go flakey - sorry if I vanish unexpectedly in-meeting |
| 18:57 | well, not vanish - I'll just appear to go idle | |
| 18:57 | chris | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]/whats-in-a-name/ |
| 18:57 | gmcharlt | slef: and here I was hoping you'd be taking the official notes again ;) |
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| 18:58 | slef | gmcharlt: and here I was hoping to duck it after doing it last time and this being a worse time for me ;) |
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| 18:58 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 18:58 | slef | I'm trying to chat, cook and work and expect phone call(s) too |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | chris, would you mind being volunteered to take notes for the meeting wiki page? |
| 18:59 | Colin | Hi David (et al) |
| 18:59 | chris | i cant guarantee being around either, kahu will be waking up shortly |
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| 18:59 | chris | so i may have to disappear for bits |
| 18:59 | its all being logged tho | |
| 18:59 | gmcharlt | ok - pianohacker, could you do it? |
| 19:00 | yeah, of course it's logged, but summaries are nice :) | |
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| 19:00 | owen | Hi atz! |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | anyway, let's get started |
| 19:00 | chris_n | hi atz |
| 19:00 | chris | atz!!! :) |
| 19:00 | atz | greets all |
| 19:00 | hdl_laptop | hi atz |
| 19:00 | jdavidb | atz! :D |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | greetings folks, and welcome to today's general IRC meeting of the Koha project |
| 19:00 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Trying to mix in some history work, so it may be later, but I could do it |
| 19:00 | Hi, joe | |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: thanks |
| 19:00 | let's start with a round of introductions | |
| 19:00 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, 3.2 release manager |
| 19:01 | * pianohacker | = Jesse Weaver, programmer |
| 19:01 | * hdl_laptop | = Henri-Damien LAURENT , 3.0 release maintainer |
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| 19:01 | * chris | = Chris Cormack, Translation manager |
| 19:01 | * jdavidb | = J. David Bavousett, PTFS |
| 19:01 | |Lupin| | |Lupin| = Sébastien Hinderer |
| 19:01 | * slef | = MJ Ray, webmaster for TTLLP software.coop |
| 19:01 | * sekjal | = Ian Walls, NYU Health Sciences Libraries |
| 19:01 | * chris_n | = Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
| 19:01 | * brendan | = Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:01 | Colin | Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe |
| 19:01 | cait | kf / cait = Katrin Fischer, BSZ Konstanz |
| 19:01 | * atz | Joe Atzberger, now w/ Equinox |
| 19:01 | jmr | jmr = john rose, PTFS |
| 19:01 | brendan | atz++ |
| 19:02 | * thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme |
| 19:02 | slef | I think I bring apolgies from davi = Davi Leals |
| 19:02 | jdavidb | atz++ Good to see you, my friend. |
| 19:02 | ruth | Ruth Vargas, Howard County Library |
| 19:02 | hdl_laptop | paul_p and nicomo from BibLibre won't be there. |
| 19:02 | * atz | "... not dead yet" |
| 19:02 | collum | Garry Collum, Kenton County Library |
| 19:02 | magnusenger | = Magnus Enger, Libriotec, Norway |
| 19:03 | tajoli | Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy) |
| 19:03 | * owen | = Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library, Interface designer for 3.x |
| 19:03 | vickiteal | vickiteal=Vicki Teal Lovely |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | thanks, all, for coming |
| 19:04 | vickiteal | at South Central Library System (Madison, WI) |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | the agenda today is |
| 19:04 | 1.Update on Roadmap to 3.2 | |
| 19:04 | 2.Update on Koha 3.0 Roadmap | |
| 19:04 | 3.Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting 5 August 2009 | |
| 19:04 | 4.bugs.koha.org finding new default assignee's and tidying up orphaned bugs | |
| 19:04 | 5.To mantain documentation about MySQL level (tables, indexes, relations). | |
| 19:05 | so starting with 3.2 | |
| 19:05 | as a reminder, feature freeze is the end of the day, 6 September 2009 | |
| 19:05 | which also coincides with (by one measure) the 10th anniversary of Koha | |
| 19:05 | as I mentioned in an email to koha-devel earlier today | |
| 19:06 | feature freeze basically means that by 6 September, any new features must be submitted | |
| 19:06 | but the definition of "submission" is intentionally a bit loose | |
| 19:06 | and can consist of patch submissions | |
| 19:06 | pull requests | |
| 19:06 | publication of git repos with relevant changes | |
| 19:07 | schuster | david schuster - Plano ISD |
| 19:07 | gmcharlt | or even strong promises that patches are available and will be forthcoming *very* soon - though not *too* much leeway on that latter |
| 19:07 | on Sept 6, I'll update the roadmap on the wiki | |
| 19:07 | chris | cool |
| 19:07 | gmcharlt | with the list of everything that has been submitted |
| 19:07 | and if there's something that you believe you've submitted, but isn't reflect on the roadmap by 7 September | |
| 19:07 | feel free to ping me or raise it on koha-devel | |
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| 19:08 | gmcharlt | then next step will be pulling together the various branches |
| 19:08 | hdl_laptop | tough job |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | and packaging a rough alpha in the next couple weeks |
| 19:08 | to be used for testing | |
| 19:08 | new features submitted after 6 September will be left on an unstable branch | |
| 19:09 | bugfix patches will always be welcome for HEAD/3.2 | |
| 19:09 | significant changes since last meeting | |
| 19:09 | * formatino of biblibre-integration branch | |
| 19:09 | * I've got access to other BibLibre submisssions that will be pulled out onto topic branches, then integrated into HEAD | |
| 19:09 | hdl_laptop | which donot have new_acquisitions |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | right, new_acq will be a separate topic branch |
| 19:10 | * submission of labels rework by Chris Nighswonger | |
| 19:10 | chris | topic_branches++ |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | * and pianohacker starting to submt his syspref stuff |
| 19:10 | pianohacker | yes |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | other stuff I hope to see in the next few days include RFID features from slef |
| 19:10 | ricardo | (I'm back and I already read the backlog) |
| 19:11 | gmcharlt | main focus through September will be integration and bugfixes and stabliization |
| 19:11 | I understand that BibLibre may be palnning a hackfest in France | |
| 19:11 | and I'd like to propse a general Koha bug squashing session | |
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| 19:11 | gmcharlt | on (let's say) the weekend of 19-20 September |
| 19:11 | |Lupin| | something in France, cool ! |
| 19:11 | BibLibre++ | |
| 19:12 | chris | im hoping to get some other catalysta's to help out with bug squashing too |
| 19:12 | september 20 is software freedom day | |
| 19:12 | slef | to be clear, it's the RFID device direct control driver |
| 19:12 | ricardo | chris: "catalysta's"? |
| 19:12 | chris | people who work at catalyst :) |
| 19:13 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: ++ |
| 19:13 | slef | most users will want to continue using SIP and tagging stations |
| 19:13 | ricardo | chris: Do you mean http://www.catalyst.net.nz/ ? |
| 19:13 | slef | but this is FOSS alternative using commodity devices |
| 19:13 | chris | ricardo: yes, thats where i work |
| 19:13 | gmcharlt | and that's it for 3.2 update - I'm expecting that the update at the next meeting October 7 will be more full of details |
| 19:13 | ricardo | chris: OK, thanks for the explanation :) |
| 19:14 | gmcharlt | and I suggest that October is a good time to start discussing planning for 3.4 and/or 4.0 |
| 19:14 | questions on 3.2? | |
| 19:14 | |Lupin| | yes |
| 19:14 | schuster | gmcharlt - so the specific items that should be in 3.2 you will have posted on the roadmap if you fingers can type that fast on Sept 7th so if there is a feature that we think should be there it "should" be listed. Otherwise contact? |
| 19:14 | |Lupin| | as I understood BibLibre is developing tools to help merging records. |
| 19:15 | Will these be in 3.2 ? | |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: yes, they've been submitted IIRC |
| 19:15 | chris | |Lupin|: yes i am testing that now |
| 19:15 | hdl_laptop | how will the branches merge into oneanother ? |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: not sure of sequence yet, but order will probably be somethign like |
| 19:15 | biblibre-integration => master | |
| 19:15 | labels_recon => master | |
| 19:15 | new_acq crated, then merged => master | |
| 19:15 | new_sysprefs => master | |
| 19:16 | hdl_laptop | if one patch cannot be merged easily, or two patches have conflicts, will you choose ? |
| 19:16 | atz | we're v. lucky to be using git at this point. |
| 19:16 | ricardo | gmcharlt: I so NOT envy your work :-/ |
| 19:16 | chris | schuster: yes, if something you think should be there isnt, the 7th is the time to start asking why its not |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: I'll choose, kick back to submitter, or merge myself depending on circumstances |
| 19:16 | chris | we can all make gmcharlt's life a lot easier by helping test |
| 19:16 | hdl_laptop | ok. |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | I'll generally try to resolve merges myself if possible to reduce burden on submitters |
| 19:17 | hdl_laptop | chris work is in progress in order to make the merging tool much more user friendly |
| 19:17 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt++ for doing that, and |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt++ for doing it well | |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: well, we'll see based on the final result - don't ++ me yet |
| 19:18 | anyway | |
| 19:18 | chris | hdl_laptop: execllent, functionally it works well, but more friendly would be great |
| 19:18 | schuster | Willing to run scenario test but I won't have a system to do it on :( |
| 19:18 | chris | i propose that we all try to run a testng koha from the lastest merges so that we can help |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | chris: thanks |
| 19:19 | |Lupin| | sure |
| 19:19 | it means HEAD, right ? | |
| 19:19 | cait | I know jane did changes to the xslt files we also changed with our patch, plz let us know if we can do something to get in into 3.2 |
| 19:19 | gmcharlt | cait: I'll do the merge of your work and jwagner 's |
| 19:20 | cait | ok thx and gmcharlt++ :) |
| 19:20 | hdl_laptop | @karma gmcharlt |
| 19:20 | munin | hdl_laptop: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 39 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 39. |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | ok, I think on to hdl_laptop for 3.0 |
| 19:20 | hdl_laptop | ok. |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop++ # our fearless RMaint |
| 19:20 | hdl_laptop | as you may know, I have been working on reconciliation brancj |
| 19:21 | it is published on koha-maintenance/reconciliation | |
| 19:21 | I announced it on list | |
| 19:21 | and had very little remarks on that | |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: Real quick for the notes: reconciliation branch is merging select new features and bugfixes, correct? |
| 19:22 | chris | i have a koha running from that ... but havent had much time to test more than to note it doesnt throw any internal server errors |
| 19:22 | hdl_laptop | yes |
| 19:22 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: Okay, thank you |
| 19:22 | hdl_laptop | in fact, it takes nearly all the features of current head. |
| 19:22 | + all the bug fixes from 3.0.x | |
| 19:23 | kr1shnan | chris: isn't it possible to setup test servers so volunteers can participate over the Internet |
| 19:23 | chris | it is if you have the time and the bandwidth |
| 19:23 | * chris | is lacking in both currently :( |
| 19:23 | hdl_laptop | I already have a test server for that branch |
| 19:24 | http://integration_3.0.x.git.biblibre.com/ | |
| 19:24 | kr1shnan | hdl_laptop: thanks... |
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| 19:24 | hdl_laptop | http://catalogue.integration_3.0.x.git.biblibre.com/ |
| 19:24 | for OPAC | |
| 19:24 | kr1shnan | hdl_laptop: and is there a standard way to report issues? |
| 19:25 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: Is there a test Username / Password that other people can use or is it just for tests done by BibLibre people? |
| 19:25 | hdl_laptop | email me. |
| 19:25 | kr1shnan | hdl_laptop: thanks, i will |
| 19:25 | hdl_laptop | I will add a test kohatest user |
| 19:26 | test as login | |
| 19:26 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: Great. Thanks! :) |
| 19:26 | hdl_laptop | kohatest pw |
| 19:26 | schuster | Cool... |
| 19:26 | kr1shnan | i might actually find a few volunteers that can test as well |
| 19:26 | hdl_laptop | The more we test, the more accurate it can be |
| 19:26 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: though I hope I can count on BibLibre to help with testing 3.2 -> at this point more of a priority than 3.0.x IMO |
| 19:27 | chris | i second that |
| 19:27 | hdl_laptop | Unfortunately, this is UNIMARC |
| 19:27 | chris | with 3.2 so close |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: well the UNIMARC needs to work in 3.2 as well |
| 19:27 | chris | it would make more sense to get the UNIMARC features testing in there |
| 19:27 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: 3.0.4 has to come out since it has the patches for Amazon |
| 19:27 | chris | couldnt 3.0.4 just have those? |
| 19:28 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: no question, the Amazon patches are needed, but I'm less sure that it's necesaary to effectively backport 3.2 into 3.0.4 |
| 19:28 | chris | seems dangerous splitting of efforts to have 2 big feature releases |
| 19:28 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Nod... Although, I would like to see 3.2 *BUGFIXES* backported to 3.0.x (when applicable, of course) |
| 19:28 | hdl_laptop | this is why I wanted to release 3.0.4 before |
| 19:29 | chris | yes bugfixes, not new features |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | ricardo: yeah, of which the Amazon would count as a bugfix |
| 19:29 | ricardo | chris: Agreed |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt: right | |
| 19:30 | gmcharlt | anyway, the Amazon patches are clearly a necessary part of any 3.0.4 |
| 19:30 | hdl_laptop | well, if we can test 3.0.4 over the next two weeks, then 10 days translation |
| 19:30 | And it would be out | |
| 19:30 | * edc_away | grumbles about koha log file full of " Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string" messages |
| 19:31 | edc_away is now known as ecorrado | |
| 19:31 | |Lupin| | hmm |
| 19:31 | question regarding translations pls | |
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| 19:31 | gmcharlt | ecorrado: feel to work on patches for bug 2505 :) |
| 19:31 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 blocker, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts |
| 19:31 | |Lupin| | is there a simple, documented way to generate the non-english languages ? |
| 19:31 | chris | but there is 3.2 to test ... which is our *feature* release, we shouldnt have new features in a maintanence branch |
| 19:32 | ricardo | chris++ |
| 19:32 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: simple, not so well documeted - maybe chris can write something up |
| 19:32 | ricardo | @karma chris |
| 19:32 | munin | ricardo: Karma for "chris" has been increased 41 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 41. |
| 19:32 | chris | |Lupin|: ill talk to you about translation later if you want |
| 19:32 | |Lupin| | chris: yes, please |
| 19:33 | gmcharlt | ok, upshot is we'll work with hdl_laptop to get 3.0.4 out ASAP, including Amazon patches |
| 19:33 | ricardo | I have some "loose ideas" about translation changes (basically posted in the Devel Mailing List), but I concede they are difficult to implement before Koha v 3.4 or so... |
| 19:33 | gmcharlt | other 3.0.x questions? |
| 19:33 | chris | ricardo: the nice thng with git is you can make a topic branch and get working on it now :) |
| 19:33 | tajoli | hdl_laptop: when do you think to start the test of 3.0 4? |
| 19:34 | hdl_laptop | tomorrow |
| 19:34 | ricardo | gmcharlt: After fixing a bug for Koha HEAD should we ask explicitly to backport it for 3.0.x? |
| 19:34 | hdl_laptop | just have to create the userid |
| 19:34 | ricardo: no | |
| 19:34 | I read the git rss | |
| 19:35 | ecorrado | gmcharlt: I would if I had any idea what the line $coins_value =~ s/\ /\+/g; was suppsoed to be :- |
| 19:35 | tajoli | So tomorrow Amazaon patch will be in reconcilation barn |
| 19:35 | branch ? | |
| 19:35 | hdl_laptop | ecorrado: just translating spaces into + |
| 19:35 | chris | ecorrado: before that if ($coins_value){ that line } |
| 19:35 | hdl_laptop | tajoli: it is already |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | actually, I recommend cherry-picking the Amazon patches direclty into the 3.0.x branch |
| 19:35 | chris | will stop the warns |
| 19:36 | gmcharlt | ah, already handled by hdl_laptop |
| 19:36 | chris | so a small 3.0.4 with bugfixes? i can make time to test that |
| 19:36 | hdl_laptop | But cherry pikcking direcly on 3.0.x branch was not so easy because of system preference |
| 19:37 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: Hmmm... How does reading GIT RSS help you decide if a fix applies to both branches (not a critic, but a genuine question... I'm just "one step above" git newbie) |
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| 19:37 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: if you want, I can make a 3.0.x version of the patch direct applicable to 3.0.x |
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| 19:38 | chris | ricardo: they easiest thing to do is cherry-pick and fix locally then send a patch that is rebased on 3.0.x (makes it easy for the release maintainer) |
| 19:38 | ecorrado | chris: I don't see an if, but I do see a long $coins_value = "ctx_ver=Z39.88-... line before it. |
| 19:39 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: it would be ok. |
| 19:39 | * ecorrado | thinks about adding this to the bottom of a very long to-do list since ebsides beign annoying doesn;t seem to be hurting anything |
| 19:39 | ricardo | chris: Interesting, thanks. I'll try to read about that |
| 19:39 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: ok, I'll work on a patch, then |
| 19:40 | ok, moving on to action items | |
| 19:40 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: reconciliation branch was required because LL customers were branched on master and master would certainly have problems at some point. |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | I've updated the roadmap, and next update will be by 7 September, as I mentioned |
| 19:41 | hdl_laptop: which never meant that a lot of 3.2 features had to be backported into 3.0 | |
| 19:41 | ricardo | gmcharlt: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]opment:roadmap3.2 ? |
| 19:41 | chris | ecorrado: i meant add an if :) we can chat later |
| 19:41 | thd | MSG ecorrado ecorrado: Is the line in question not attempting to concatinate various elements of a supposed OpenURL into a query string with the appropriate delimiter? |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | ricardo: yes |
| 19:41 | ricardo | gmcharlt: OK, thanks |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | on other action items |
| 19:42 | tutorial page on wiki has been started | |
| 19:42 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ntation:tutorials | |
| 19:42 | * chris | has to change a nappy brb |
| 19:42 | ecorrado | thd: that is what it is trying to do |
| 19:42 | * ecorrado | looks at an example from a file that has been fixed |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | no webcasts or online tutorials have been scheduled |
| 19:43 | but obviously a need | |
| 19:43 | though I suspect timing wise may not happen until after 3.2 release | |
| 19:43 | on other items, slef, any update on wiki relicensing? | |
| 19:43 | brendan | timing wise that seems the best -- after 3.2 release |
| 19:44 | that way we start the tutorials on 3.2 | |
| 19:44 | slef | gmcharlt: not yet, sorry. Had a few local problems. |
| 19:44 | gmcharlt | slef: ok, remains standing and I'll ask again in October ;) |
| 19:45 | schuster | So will that include "installing 3.2" and Upgrading to 3.2? |
| 19:45 | gmcharlt | schuster: it could, though initial queries were for things like Git tutorials |
| 19:46 | chris | back |
| 19:46 | schuster | I've seen sooo much traffic lately about installing - that was my question. |
| 19:46 | brendan | I think the tutorials will need more volunteers |
| 19:46 | ricardo | gmcharlt: So, we're talking more about Koha *development* tutorials, right? |
| 19:46 | kr1shnan | is there a list of tutorials requested somewhere? |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | ricardo: mostly, though the concept could apply to anything |
| 19:47 | chris | theres always traffic about installing |
| 19:47 | kr1shnan | gmcharlt: if you put up a list, we can volunteer and sign up |
| 19:47 | chris | if you put up a list you can volunteer :) |
| 19:47 | * chris | points to the wiki :) |
| 19:47 | kr1shnan | of course |
| 19:48 | but just wanted to know what was already requested | |
| 19:48 | cait1 | git for beginners :) |
| 19:48 | |Lupin| | cait1: nothing on git's website or so ? |
| 19:48 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Right... I say this, because there are already good screencasts about git - e.g. http://gitcasts.com/ - Obviously, tutorials about setting up Git to follow different Koha branches and having different databases for each branch would be appreciated (Hint! Hint! ;-) |
| 19:49 | chris | |Lupin|: it might be just linking to those from the wiki is all that is needed |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | ricardo: right, the idea is that the Git tutorial would be focused for intro Koha hackers |
| 19:49 | chris | the 2 tutorials so far are are how to request a pull |
| 19:49 | ricardo | gmcharlt: OK |
| 19:49 | chris | and how to add a syspref |
| 19:49 | cait1 | ricardo++ |
| 19:49 | slef | local conventions like branch names, bug interactions and so on |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | any other action items I've missed? |
| 19:50 | if not, let's move to 4. bugs.koha.org finding new default assignee's and tidying up orphaned bugs | |
| 19:51 | chris: run with it, please :) | |
| 19:51 | chris | righto |
| 19:52 | well, you will all be aware that there have been quite a few changes in the community recently, most noticably liblimes decision to withdraaw from the community | |
| 19:52 | which lets face it, is a done deal now | |
| 19:52 | no matter how it is trying to be spun | |
| 19:52 | slef | Did they announce it? |
| 19:52 | brendan | any LL employees here ? |
| 19:52 | chris | there is no liblimer here, no patches from liblime since august 8th |
| 19:52 | tajoli | What exactly ? |
| 19:52 | chris | not in public |
| 19:52 | slef | brb, moving back to office |
| 19:53 | chris | but we can talk about that more later |
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| 19:53 | tajoli | And Nicole ? |
| 19:53 | chris | what i wanted to talk about was the fact there are now a lot of bug assignees |
| 19:53 | tajoli: you will notice her work has been @gmail not @liblime i can only assume she has been working for th community in her own time, not work time | |
| 19:54 | |Lupin| | and atz ? aren't you a liblimer ? |
| 19:54 | chris | right bug assignees that might need to be changed, and that there are now some bugs taht are orphaned |
| 19:55 | slef | |Lupin|: see earlier "atz Joe Atzberger, now w/ Equinox" |
| 19:55 | schuster | atz is not any longer from what I understand. |
| 19:55 | |Lupin| | oh sorry, forgot about it |
| 19:55 | owen | chris, do we have a list of default assignees (and haven't I asked that before and forgotten the answer?) |
| 19:55 | chris | so i propose we pick a day to work through and try and tidy up bugzilla |
| 19:55 | kr1shnan | chris: please enlighten... what does it take to be a bug assignee? |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | in-progress summary up at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09sep02 , please let me know of inaccuracies |
| 19:55 | * jdavidb | would be willing to be a first-point assignee for Installation and command-line utils, and any orphaned bugs in those components. |
| 19:56 | chris | volunteering kr1shnan :) |
| 19:56 | jdavidb | (and also System Administration. It's what I do.) |
| 19:56 | chris | and a desire to look after that component of koha |
| 19:56 | cool thank you jdavidb | |
| 19:57 | kr1shnan | chris: thanks... |
| 19:57 | ricardo | chris: So, it's you that is managing Koha's Bugzilla - http://bugs.koha.org ? |
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| 19:57 | owen | it's still Liblime isn't it? |
| 19:57 | chris | thats another question to answer |
| 19:57 | its hosted at liblime | |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | the current list of assignees is |
| 19:57 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]default_assignees | |
| 19:57 | |Lupin| | hi, Jane |
| 19:57 | thd | one thing that I might note is that the categories for reporting bugs are large as perhaps they would need to be for the user but I have some particular areas of expertise in which I would be willing to volunteer |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | for volunteering, I suggest that we use koha-devel |
| 19:58 | thd | s/large/broad/ |
| 19:58 | ricardo | gmcharlt: agreed |
| 19:59 | owen | thd: in that case I think the best thing to do is accept bugs which you see are suited to you |
| 19:59 | tajoli | As CILEA I could volunteering on About section (and MySQL docs) |
| 19:59 | thd | I would need to develop the habit of reading all the bugs to identify the right ones |
| 19:59 | ricardo | tajoli: CILEA = http://www.cilea.it/ ? |
| 20:00 | jdavidb | I see some of the stuff I'm interested in is already with hdl, paul_p or gmcharlt. Don't mean to steal their pig, but if they want to offload those, I'm willing. |
| 20:00 | tajoli | yes |
| 20:00 | ricardo | tajoli: OK, thanks :) |
| 20:00 | kr1shnan | concern from earlier comment... is it possible Nicole may not be able to spend as much time...? |
| 20:00 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: the more we are the merrier |
| 20:00 | kr1shnan | in the same way as bug assignees ....are we looking for a new doc manager...i'd hate that! |
| 20:01 | hdl_laptop | jdavidb: once a bug is declared, you can assing the bug to you if you want to take it |
| 20:01 | gmcharlt | I'm generally willing to have anybody volunteer to take over as default assigne for any of the components I have (though not *all* of them ;) ) |
| 20:01 | ricardo | kr1shnan: Agreed. I think Nicole is doing and outstanding job / work regarding documentation. |
| 20:01 | s/and/an | |
| 20:02 | kr1shnan | beg, borrow, or steal...but let's make sure Nicole continues to do her great work... |
| 20:02 | schuster | Would this be a good time to "review" bugs/enhancements as well? I started to work on this in May and got sidetracked. |
| 20:02 | chris | kr1shnan: yes i would hate that also, afaik nicole would love to stay on in that role, but i cant speak for her, or what her employer has directed her to do |
| 20:02 | gmcharlt | schuster: yes, definitely |
| 20:02 | * ecorrado | is not sure why the koha opac was lookign for files in a directory named "intranet-tmpl" but I moved them there and all seems to be right in the world |
| 20:02 | thd | krlshnan: I would not want to speak for nengard but the fact that she is not here now may be an indication that she has some less time available at least during the business day. |
| 20:02 | schuster | OK I'll work on getting a group together and see what we can do. |
| 20:03 | * chris_n | heads out... will read the buffer later |
| 20:03 | kr1shnan | schuster: i had volunteered, but never heard back... |
| 20:03 | schuster | My bad - sorry again... |
| 20:03 | pianohacker | ecorrado: The OPAC should not be looking for files in that directory; something is likely wrong with your config |
| 20:03 | gmcharlt | schuster: I do recommend not overdoing it on the committee forming - get some likeminded people to review bugs first |
| 20:04 | ecorrado | pianohacker: that is what I was thinking.... I need to track it down.... |
| 20:04 | brendan | committees-- |
| 20:04 | ecorrado | it really didn't seem to be effectign anything that they were not there though |
| 20:04 | ricardo | brendan: Hey! That's not nice for someone that chooses the nick "committees" ;-) |
| 20:04 | jdavidb | "A committee is the only form of life with a hundred bellies, and no brain." |
| 20:04 | brendan | ha |
| 20:05 | gmcharlt | now that we're making committeee jokes |
| 20:05 | I think we're done with agenda #4 | |
| 20:06 | so let's move to the last one | |
| 20:06 | 5. To mantain documentation about MySQL level (tables, indexes, relations). | |
| 20:06 | tajoli? | |
| 20:06 | tajoli | yes, is mine |
| 20:06 | well now dos about MySQL level is on 3.0.3 | |
| 20:07 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:dbschema | |
| 20:07 | kr1shnan | sorry...i didn't understand that |
| 20:07 | tajoli | It is the documentation about Myql tables, indexes and relations |
| 20:08 | kr1shnan | got it, thanks |
| 20:08 | gmcharlt | tajoli++ |
| 20:09 | tajoli | So documentation about Mysql tables, indexes and relations is done by schema spy and comments |
| 20:09 | chris | tajoli++ |
| 20:09 | tajoli | the dcoumentation is not perfect, I need to fix many 'implicit link' |
| 20:10 | ricardo | tajoli++ (Hey, I'll improve your karma, if you improve mine, eheh... ) |
| 20:10 | tajoli | Because relation between tables are not always done with constraint |
| 20:10 | atz | tajoli: that is often by design. |
| 20:10 | * jdavidb | heads out to catch his bus. |
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| 20:11 | chris | (oh just going back for a sec, i *think* i still have admin rights on bugzilla (maybe not now)) but if i do, im willing to make the changes for default assignees etc |
| 20:11 | ricardo | atz: By design? Why? |
| 20:11 | tajoli | Yes, no problem but more difficult to guees |
| 20:11 | atz | in particular the tables holding "old" values, the relationship is NOT a FK constraint |
| 20:11 | ecorrado | pianohacker: it appears be somethign in the thene for specific screens that is looking for the intranet stuff |
| 20:11 | pianohacker | Odd |
| 20:11 | atz | or else, you could never delete any patron who checked out a book, for example |
| 20:12 | tajoli | Clearly |
| 20:12 | ricardo | atz: Old as in tables that store historical data OR old meaning tables that started as MyISAM (and *not* InnoDB) tables? |
| 20:12 | slef | and in other places, remember that koha predates mysql foreign keys so it might simply never have been added |
| 20:12 | * ecorrado | does not think he touched that stuff, but very well could have |
| 20:12 | atz | ricardo: no, the tables like "old_issues" and "deleted_borrowers" |
| 20:12 | ricardo | atz: OK. "Historical data" then. Thanks :) |
| 20:13 | atz | yeah, "inactive data" we might call it |
| 20:13 | ricardo | atz: right |
| 20:13 | tajoli | So for the near future, to create the new docs for 3.2 comments in the code are a must, for the installation used by schema spy |
| 20:13 | atz | but tajoli may have found some cases where constraint should be imposed |
| 20:14 | chris | tajoli: sounds like a good idea to me |
| 20:14 | tajoli | We want comments about relation in the everyday SQL definition code or only in a special one ? |
| 20:14 | slef | Is there any point in splitting them? |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | atz! |
| 20:15 | welcome back! | |
| 20:15 | pianohacker | wizzyrea = Liz Rea, NEKLS |
| 20:15 | atz | hi wizzyrea, good to see you, too. |
| 20:16 | tajoli | The everday SQL defintion file is installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql |
| 20:16 | rhcl | Has the meeting finished/ready for open comment? |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | slef: splitting what? |
| 20:16 | rhcl: we're close, but not quite there yet | |
| 20:16 | rhcl | ack |
| 20:16 | slef | gmcharlt: the everyday SQL definition and a special one with comments about relationships |
| 20:17 | * ecorrado | finds some offending files and is sure he didn't change them |
| 20:18 | gmcharlt | slef: ah, right - yeah, I think they ought to be in the same place |
| 20:18 | owen | ecorrado: You will be more likely to be able to get some help after the meeting is over |
| 20:18 | * ecorrado | most definietly did not change any files in the tr-TR locale (for example) |
| 20:18 | ricardo | ecorrado: My recommendation would be then to submit that as a bug and, if possible, submit (or describe) a patch. And "karma points" to you for finding those! :) |
| 20:19 | ecorrado | I'll submit a bug report |
| 20:19 | ricardo | ecorrado++ |
| 20:19 | slef | tajoli: we'd prefer comments in the everyday file |
| 20:19 | tajoli | In fact as CILEA we have done a tool to update the everyday file |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | tajoli: cool |
| 20:20 | tajoli | But it need a complete installation of Koha |
| 20:20 | ocumentation information is added by using an SQL script called "documentation patch". This patch has to be created dynamically, starting from an existing installation of KOHA because in order to add a comment is necessary to change the table/columns definition. Since the table/column definition can change at any time during the development process, we want to be able to "desume" this definition by looking at the DB structure. | |
| 20:20 | To do so, we leverage the XML file containing a representation the DB structure created by SchemaSpy when it runs on the DB of a Koha installation (note: the file will be called "koha.xml" if the DB name is "koha"). By transforming this XML file through an XSLT stylesheet we obtain dynamically an SQL patch. This SQL file can now be edited, for example to add new table/columns comments, and then it should be run again against the DB in order to update i | |
| 20:20 | Example of commands needed to create the SQL patch: | |
| 20:20 | Step 1: Running SchemaSpy | |
| 20:20 | > java -jar schemaSpy_4.1.1.jar -dp <path_to_mysql_java_connector> -o <output_folder> -t mysql -host <host> -u <user> -p <password> -db <db_to_describe> | |
| 20:20 | Step 2: Creating the SQL patch: | |
| 20:20 | > java -jar saxon9.jar -s:<path_to_XML_file_generated_by_SchemaSpy> -xsl:generate_sql_dbdoc_patch.xsl -o:autogen_dbdoc_patch.sql | |
| 20:20 | Step 3: Update autogen_dbdoc_patch.sql | |
| 20:20 | vi autogen_dbdoc_patch.sql | |
| 20:20 | Insert the comments about new column, fix errors, etc. | |
| 20:20 | Step 4: Running the SQL script: | |
| 20:20 | > mysql -u <user> -p -h <host> < autogen_dbdoc_patch.sql | |
| 20:20 | slef | ouch floody |
| 20:21 | * chris | points to koha.pastebin.com |
| 20:21 | ricardo | tajoli: I think that's in a point that it could be added (COPY+PASTEd) to Koha's wiki... if you haven't done that already :) |
| 20:22 | tajoli | With pastebin: http://koha.pastebin.com/m4078e89c |
| 20:23 | gmcharlt | tajoli: re database structure, the idea is that you should always be able to start with an empty MySQL, then run kohastructure.sql |
| 20:23 | and always get the accurate version | |
| 20:23 | though obviously final version won't be ready until 3.2's DB structure is finalized | |
| 20:24 | tajoli | In fact the diffecent is about the workflow of document modification: |
| 20:25 | 1)To change the everyday file: every developer that change DB level need to write the comment in installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql | |
| 20:25 | kr1shnan | i don't think its a good idea to write comments in kohastructure.sql |
| 20:26 | at least comments that we hope to preserve for a long time...this is not to make life harder for tajoli... | |
| 20:26 | tajoli | 2)To change a special file: every developer that change DB level needs to write me and on Koha-devel any new tables, field, indexes and relations |
| 20:27 | Attention, not comment in the file, but comment in SQL structure | |
| 20:27 | ricardo | kr1shnan: Why? I'm not following |
| 20:27 | gmcharlt | tajoli: for the best long-term maintenance, I prefer that it be possible to modify one file |
| 20:27 | for both table changes, and table metadata | |
| 20:28 | ricardo | tajoli: Are we talking about MySQL comments (lines that start with "--" if I'm not mistaken)? |
| 20:28 | gmcharlt | without making it a two-step process |
| 20:28 | |Lupin| | tajoli: then kohastructure.sql should perhaps contain instructons about whom to contact as 2) |
| 20:28 | pianohacker | I think tajoli is pointing to '... COMMENT ""' (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]create-table.html, column_definition:) |
| 20:28 | tajoli | Yes |
| 20:28 | chris | there should be no mysqlism's in kohastructure.sql |
| 20:29 | any that are there should be removed, and no new ones added | |
| 20:29 | ricardo | pianohacker: Ah! You're right (didn't notice that COMMENT field) |
| 20:29 | atz | chris: yeah, sorta... i think supporting another DB is a long ways off. |
| 20:30 | chris | we are working on it now atz |
| 20:30 | atz | for pg? |
| 20:30 | chris | it certainly wont be 3.2 |
| 20:30 | yep | |
| 20:30 | ricardo | chris: And is there a "Cross-DB" way of adding these comments to column fields? |
| 20:30 | chris | but itd be good if we didnt make ti harder |
| 20:30 | tajoli | As example: ALTER TABLE accountlines CHANGE borrowernumber borrowernumber INT(10) COMMENT 'Number of the borrower'; |
| 20:30 | atz | hrm... good luck. i would estimate that to be a 200+ manhours job. |
| 20:30 | pianohacker | http://www.postgresql.org/docs[…]/sql-comment.html ? |
| 20:31 | Different syntax | |
| 20:31 | chris | atz: sure, making it a 250 one doesnt make it easier tho :) |
| 20:31 | ricardo | pianohacker: Right :( |
| 20:31 | gmcharlt | I believe 'comment on' is a bit mroe standard than what MySQL's doing |
| 20:31 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Actually the page that pianohacker has this at the end: |
| 20:31 | " There is no COMMENT command in the SQL standard. " | |
| 20:31 | gmcharlt | but in any event, i think the medium-term advantages of keeping tabe definitions and table metadata together |
| 20:32 | ricardo: well, 'standard' in the sense that there are other RDBMS that also use 'comment on' | |
| 20:32 | kr1shnan | code comments and code inevitably drift apart... |
| 20:32 | gmcharlt | kr1shnan: only if you let them |
| 20:32 | ;) | |
| 20:32 | but to complete my thought | |
| 20:33 | IMO, keeping them together works better | |
| 20:33 | besides, for a true cross-platfrom DB setup | |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | chris: MySQLisms in general are not good, but if we add '... COLUMN' to the columns, couldn't we port that to PostgreSQL using a Perl script? |
| 20:33 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:33 | chris | if we decide the comments in the db are worth, we will just go back to 2 definitions |
| 20:33 | gmcharlt | we might end up using DBIx::Class or Rose::DB to express the schema anyway |
| 20:33 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Possible. I admit that I don't know what other RDMBS use ( proprietary - Oracle, SQL Server - or open source) |
| 20:33 | (for COMMENTs, that is) | |
| 20:34 | tajoli | Attention that for schema spy at the end we need comments inside MYSQL, it is only a way to mainatin them |
| 20:34 | chris | DBIx::Class is where i have been working, ihave schemas for the tables |
| 20:34 | thd | atz: Koha would not be making much progress without people willing to undertake those 2XX man hours for some tasks. |
| 20:34 | chris | and can create a pg database or mysql database from it |
| 20:35 | ricardo | gmcharlt: I would feel more comfortable using Perl Modules for that, specially if they have already this "cross-db" comment "intelligence" for adding comments. But I understand tajoli's need of Schema Spy support :-S |
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| 20:35 | chris | so thats probably where i will keep working |
| 20:35 | tajoli | For documentation the problem are the implici relations |
| 20:35 | richard | hi |
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| 20:35 | gmcharlt | chris, ricardo, tajoli : in any event, I think this needs to be taken to koha-devel |
| 20:36 | chris | yep |
| 20:36 | gmcharlt | as time flies for this meeting ;) |
| 20:36 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Agreed |
| 20:36 | tajoli | yes |
| 20:36 | ricardo | richard: Hi, homonymous ;-) |
| 20:36 | chris | i really appreciate what tajoli has done |
| 20:36 | ricardo | tajoli++ |
| 20:36 | gmcharlt | the next meeting will be 7 October, first Wednesday of October |
| 20:36 | tajoli++ | |
| 20:36 | chris | in case there was any misunderstanding ;) |
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| 20:36 | gmcharlt | any final questions or comments for today's meeting? |
| 20:36 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Yeah :) |
| 20:36 | tajoli | Most work of Matteo Romanello my staigire |
| 20:37 | ricardo | But I believe "rhcl" has taken the "ticket" first |
| 20:37 | rhcl | Maybe a bad time to break in, but as a potential Koha customer someday, I'd like to have some discussion of Liblime's community involvement, if it's not too sensitive of a topic. |
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| 20:37 | rhcl | What with the Koha trademark? |
| 20:37 | Forking Koha? | |
| 20:37 | thd | gmcharlt: At what hour will the next meeting be held? |
| 20:37 | kr1shnan | i would have liked some discussion on the impact of LibLime pulling out...just to know how it really affects Koha...and to plan better...if that's needed |
| 20:39 | ricardo | I would like to hear from LibLime first. I understand that August is, traditionally, a Holiday season... and some of the LibLime regulars (atz, gmcharlt ) have left. So, LibLime may just be busy recruiting new staff (just guessing, no info) |
| 20:39 | rhcl | rhcl = Greg Lawson / Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 20:39 | brendan | I'd also like to propose that gmcharlt invite more Equinox folks to sit in on the koha meeting -- a little cross- pollination - for joint projects |
| 20:40 | schuster | Existing LL clients are trying to figure out what is going on as well. I'm marking it up as lost lots of people lots of work to do trying to reorg and get things back up to snuf. |
| 20:40 | chris | i hope to hell schuster is right |
| 20:40 | but a lot of misinformation and downright lies are being spread | |
| 20:40 | sekjal | I've emailed someone at WALDO asking for clarification on things from their perspective. |
| 20:40 | chris | so a public statement of what is going on would be awesome |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | sekjal: any response? |
| 20:41 | brendan | sekjal -- any reponse ? |
| 20:41 | jinx | |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | (jinx |
| 20:41 | sekjal | just an "I'm on vacation, more when I get back" response so far |
| 20:41 | rhcl | Does this remind anyone of the recent Centos situation with the disappearing primary developer? |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | heh. |
| 20:41 | rhcl | :) |
| 20:41 | ricardo | sekjal: Right, that's understandable (it's the "August" syndrome) |
| 20:41 | * wizzyrea | makes alien oooOOOOoooo noises |
| 20:42 | chris | cept in this case they aren the primary developer |
| 20:42 | ricardo | wizzyrea / brendan: You're twin brothers, right? ;-) |
| 20:42 | sekjal | and this contact did tell me they were doing a ton of migrations due by Sept. 1 |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | erm.... no lol |
| 20:42 | sekjal | so, otherwise busy |
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| 20:42 | brendan | hmmm... chris I think no response so far means "no response" |
| 20:42 | sekjal | now that I'm back, and my migration is somewhat stabilized, I'll send a bump |
| 20:43 | ricardo | sekjal: Yeah... "August" and "busy". Checks. Yeah, it could be good to "bump" them this week or the next |
| 20:43 | joetho | <---six LL migrations during October |
| 20:43 | brendan | I messed around in sekjal install of koha -- and I do want to say -- glad to have you in the community and excellent job |
| 20:43 | sekjal++ | |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | NEKLS has a call with LL Friday. |
| 20:44 | sekjal | thanks, brendan. I'm still learning, certainly |
| 20:44 | * brendan | always learning |
| 20:44 | sekjal | brendan++ |
| 20:44 | gmcharlt | brendan: cross-polination is good, but Equinox is focusing on EG; doesn't have much time to work on Koha directly except what I'm doing |
| 20:45 | brendan | right -- just thinking about NCIP or other similar things |
| 20:45 | pianohacker | Note that CC asked for a public statement regarding public contributions (http://markmail.org/message/rtdzydaopsgqn3nf) and we so far haven't heard anything |
| 20:45 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Right... That's also understandable. I'm more worried when Equinox will "drain you" to EG and *away* from Koha, actually |
| 20:45 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: do you mean that working on Koha is still part of what you are payed for ? |
| 20:45 | pianohacker | That may not mean anything, but it's still out there |
| 20:45 | gmcharlt | right, I think the point of intersection would be such modules |
| 20:45 | tajoli | Corret, EG and Koha are quite different as starting analisys |
| 20:45 | brendan | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:46 | slef | I'm believing nothing until I see LL actions/inactions. LL customers can/should ask/opine. I am a bit unhappy that we don't have any Koha foundation to reassure us through this sort of worry, as you know. |
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| 20:47 | ricardo | slef++ |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | yea, asking/opining so far has gotten us very, very little |
| 20:47 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: not as such, but I do get to do things like run the occassional Koha IRC meeting "on the clock", as it were |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | precious little. |
| 20:47 | slef | wizzyrea: well, get community contribution into your contracts with LL. I think I mentioned this somewhere before. |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | I am almost positive it's already in our contract. |
| 20:48 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: can you please let our bosses know ll the Koha commnity is thankful to them for that ? |
| 20:48 | ricardo | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:48 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: indeed |
| 20:48 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: sure - they do know, already ;) |
| 20:48 | slef | |Lupin|++ |
| 20:48 | thd | ricardo: Although, the issue is really for 3.4 and later. Obtaining advantage from the work of gmcharlt and atz and others at Equinox may be dependent upon better code sharing between Evergreen and Koha which may require setting up some structures to facilitate that work. |
| 20:48 | |Lupin| | k |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: remind them again. ;) |
| 20:48 | |Lupin| | |Lupin|-- |
| 20:48 | munin | |Lupin|: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | oh snap! |
| 20:49 | ricardo | thd: You may be right |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | self-deprecatory personalities need not apply |
| 20:49 | ricardo | munin: Not even to *decrease* it? You ba**ard! ;-) |
| 20:49 | chris | heh |
| 20:49 | munin | ricardo: I suck |
| 20:49 | ricardo | LOL |
| 20:49 | slef | wizzyrea: cool |
| 20:49 | ricardo | OK. Can I make my pitch, now? :) |
| 20:50 | * ricardo | searches for the microphone |
| 20:50 | |Lupin| | just didn't want to gain karma just for saying an obvious thing... |
| 20:50 | schuster | Whatcha selling? |
| 20:50 | tajoli | I think difficult to share much code beween Koha and EG |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | thd: Yes. This might be assisted by setting up git repositories and using git-submodule |
| 20:50 | slef | rhcl: anything we need to revisit? |
| 20:50 | ricardo | tajoli: Yes, I'm afraid so |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | This would require some restructuring of OpenNCIP and Koha's SIP2 server, but would help keep things in sync |
| 20:51 | ricardo | schuster: Selling? Nothing, really |
| 20:51 | brendan | not so much code that I was thinking about -- just more education... I feel that each project can motivate the other -- |
| 20:51 | pianohacker | ricardo: Go for it |
| 20:51 | ricardo | OK... |
| 20:51 | rhcl | No, I'm satisfied. TNX to all. |
| 20:52 | ricardo | SAPO - http://www.sapo.pt - is probably the oldest Portuguese web directory (similar to Yahoo). |
| 20:52 | tajoli | At the base Koha is a multi MARC and multi lang system The analisys of EG is striclty MARC21 and monolang, as I know |
| 20:52 | brendan | Well at least invite them to the meeting :) |
| 20:52 | thd | tajoli: while this is perhaps the topic for another meeting and much discussion on the mailing list do not think so much in terms of the difficulties of the differences in the current design of Koha and Evegreen but in terms of major new features which need not have such legacy design constraints. |
| 20:52 | brendan | thd++ |
| 20:52 | ricardo | SAPO is are now running the 2nd edition of "SAPO Summerbits" (similar to Google Summer of Code) |
| 20:52 | rhcl | What language is EG written in? |
| 20:53 | thd | Perl |
| 20:53 | |Lupin| | rhcl: Java, no ? |
| 20:53 | cait1 | I think the are multilingual now |
| 20:53 | read something about armenian | |
| 20:53 | |Lupin| | oops sorry |
| 20:53 | rhcl | Ada forever! |
| 20:53 | brendan | EG is translated into a few languages now IRC |
| 20:54 | ricardo | I have proposed myself as the Mentor for finishing of the "Translation and Localization of Koha to Portugal / Portuguese". And that has been accepted as one of the 10 projects! :) |
| 20:54 | chris | i think working on the modules like NCIP, ILL etc |
| 20:54 | pianohacker | ricardo++ # Very nice |
| 20:54 | chris | that both projects can make use of will be the win |
| 20:54 | ricardo | For those that can read Portuguese: |
| 20:54 | http://softwarelivre.sapo.pt/p[…]tasSummerbits2009 | |
| 20:54 | brendan | excatly chris |
| 20:54 | kr1shnan | ricardo: Is there still time to ask for project participation on Sapo |
| 20:54 | ricardo | "Rafael António" is the Co-Mentor and "Marta Grachat" the selected student |
| 20:55 | kr1shnan: I think that will be a bit difficult. The time is already short as it is (we are also proposing the creation of a virtual machine with Portuguese customizations to Koha in the application) | |
| 20:56 | kr1shnan: What did you have in mind? | |
| 20:56 | gmcharlt | re the #koha meeting as such - I think it's over; I'll send an email with the time for the October meeting |
| 20:56 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Closing notes |
| 20:56 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: thanks for having been our moderator once more and for having done it well |
| 20:57 | chris | yes thank you gmcharlt |
| 20:57 | ricardo | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:57 | brendan | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:57 | chris | and for you continued commitment to the community |
| 20:57 | gmcharlt | re the LL topic, I pretty much am staying out of it |
| 20:57 | ricardo | gmcharlt: Understood |
| 20:57 | brendan | fair enough |
| 20:57 | atz | same here |
| 20:57 | gmcharlt | except to say that I alway sstand willing to accept patches from any contributor, vendor, library, or individual |
| 20:57 | ricardo | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:58 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:58 | brendan | atz gmcharlt -- hope you find the time to stay involved |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | Indeed |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | def |
| 20:58 | |Lupin| | yes |
| 20:58 | brendan | always here to help if you need it |
| 20:59 | chris | yeah i appreciate you making the time to be here atz |
| 21:00 | atz | np, i still want to see Koha advance |
| 21:00 | ricardo | atz: :) |
| 21:00 | |Lupin| | yeah it's a great tool |
| 21:00 | sekjal | atz: oh, and you shall. These first 10 years are only the beginning! |
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| 21:02 | ricardo | sekjal: Here! Here! :) |
| 21:02 | chris | heh |
| 21:03 | ricardo | (or "hear! hear!"... I'll have to Google that. It makes sense in both ways) |
| 21:03 | chris | as long as the next 3 months of year 10 aren as mental as the the 3 months of year 1 |
| 21:03 | richard | :) |
| 21:03 | chris | ill be happy |
| 21:03 | CGI634 | hey Chris and all Lee and Stef here from Butte Montana |
| 21:03 | chris | gotta catch my bus now |
| 21:03 | bbiab | |
| 21:03 | CGI634 | just wann see what is happening |
| 21:03 | sekjal | later, chris |
| 21:03 | pianohacker | ricardo: (usually "Hear! Hear!") |
| 21:03 | CGI634 | so we will be listening |
| 21:03 | ricardo | pianohacker: OK, thanks :) |
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| 21:04 | pianohacker | CGI634: If you're referring to the Koha meeting, it is unfortunately over |
| 21:05 | CGI634 | well...we will just read the transcript then ...some one told us 3pm MDT |
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| 21:05 | pianohacker | CGI634: Hopefully that wasn't me! I said something along those lines and was corrected |
| 21:06 | CGI634 | I believe it was Chris so I will get him back later....evil laugh |
| 21:06 | ricardo | CGI634: LOL! |
| 21:06 | |Lupin| | :-))))) |
| 21:06 | IRC has many advantages | |
| 21:06 | CGI634 | when will tha transcript get posted? |
| 21:06 | |Lupin| | my only regret about it is |
| 21:06 | slef | believe nothing except the output of date -d @1251924874 |
| 21:06 | brendan | gmcharlt -- does your email include an agenda for the next IRC meeting |
| 21:06 | |Lupin| | we can not meet all together after the meeting and have a bear or so |
| 21:07 | gmcharlt | brendan: it will when I send it |
| 21:07 | brendan | sweet :) |
| 21:07 | slef | CGI634: it's already posted. Isn't it linked from the meeting page yet? |
| 21:07 | pianohacker | CGI634: Notes at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09sep02 , full transcript at the end of http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today |
| 21:08 | CGI634 | thanks ph we will review it and try to make the next IRC on time.... |
| 21:08 | pianohacker | slef: Hmm. It could be, but I'm not sure the new logs interface has an option to select a time range |
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| 21:09 | slef | pianohacker: link to http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]09-09-02#i_295504 |
| 21:09 | pianohacker | slef: Will do, thanks |
| 21:09 | Not perfect, but at least a good start | |
| 21:10 | sekjal | alright, time to go catch my train, and work on some XSLT |
| 21:10 | cheers, all | |
| 21:10 | pianohacker | See ya |
| 21:10 | slef | why do I keep typing "pain" instead of pianohacker? |
| 21:10 | pianohacker | Dealing with me can indeed be painful |
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| 21:10 | ricardo | pianohacker: LOL! |
| 21:12 | brendan | pain = pianohacker |
| 21:13 | ricardo | brendan: Is that a Vim "abbr"eviation that you have? ;-) |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | @quote add Pianohacker: Dealing with me can indeed be painful |
| 21:13 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | @quote get 23 |
| 21:14 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
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| 21:14 | wizzyrea | grr |
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| 21:15 | wizzyrea | bleh w/e |
| 21:16 | hdl_laptop | good night folks |
| 21:16 | slef | does anyone else have a problem with a koha database being a couple of Mb in mysql, but the mysqldump being a couple of Gb? |
| 21:16 | ricardo | Bye hdl_laptop. And congrats / thanks for all the work |
| 21:17 | slef: That's *really* weird. The other way around could be normal (if using InnoDB, I believe the file just keeps getting bigger, to record "transaction") | |
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| 21:19 | slef | I'm playing "spot the big table" |
| 21:19 | ricardo | slef: Good luck! |
| 21:19 | chris | back |
| 21:21 | slef | it's the sessions table - shouldn't something be cleaning that? |
| 21:22 | chris | yeah a cron job that you write :) |
| 21:22 | cait1 | isnt there a new cron job for that? |
| 21:22 | I think I saw something on patches list or git | |
| 21:22 | chris | yep i think so |
| 21:22 | * slef | goes to get it |
| 21:23 | gmcharlt | slef: misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl, contributed by jdavidb in eb849c6 |
| 21:24 | slef | gmcharlt: tyvm |
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| 21:25 | slef | argh, I've an old uncommitted change... checking git.koha.org to see if it's upstream already |
| 21:25 | chris | git stash ftw slef |
| 21:26 | slef | yep, time for that |
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| 21:27 | chris | well that meeting is gonna make the rest of the day seem boring :) |
| 21:28 | gmcharlt | chris: wadda talking about? I have *Cataloging* class starting now ;) |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | Endless, endless excitement |
| 21:28 | chris | lol |
| 21:29 | CGI634 | kill self now avoid slow cataloging death |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | <nasal voice> "And that is the difference between the 500 and 520 MARC fields" |
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| 21:29 | CGI634 | been there done that have the scars |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | You may die, but it will be _thoroughly_ recorded |
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| 21:32 | chris | hehe |
| 21:32 | @quote add < CGI634> kill self now avoid slow cataloging death | |
| 21:32 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #29 added. |
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| 21:34 | chris | @quote add < pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful |
| 21:34 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #30 added. |
| 21:38 | chris | i think i need a chai |
| 21:41 | CGI634 | well this is about as much fun I can stand for the day...HOPEFULLY next time I will be on time...Chris LOL ciao! |
| 21:41 | pianohacker | Bye, hope to see you again |
| 21:42 | chris | cya lee :) |
| 21:42 | CGI634 | you will, up here in Montana IRC meeting are our FAV entertainment. |
| 21:42 | chris | hehe |
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| 21:42 | chris | theres always something happening on #koha |
| 21:42 | cait1 | and you always helping someone :) |
| 21:43 | pianohacker | Given the population density, it might be their only entertainment |
| 21:43 | chris | ooohhh burn!!! |
| 21:46 | richard | lol |
| 21:47 | chris_n2-away | heh |
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| 21:51 | pianohacker | And with that, I should take a break and buckle down on schoolwork. Later, all |
| 21:51 | chris | cya later pianohacker |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | bye |
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| 22:05 | chris | hi steve |
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| 22:10 | steve | howdy! |
| 22:11 | am I the n00bie in the crowd? :) | |
| 22:11 | chris | one of them :) |
| 22:12 | steve | cool! |
| 22:13 | Well, I am just getting started learning about the ILS world. | |
| 22:13 | chris | cool |
| 22:13 | steve | s'why I wore a sponge hat |
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| 22:16 | chris | most of the librarians arent around at the moment |
| 22:16 | and we just finished a development meeting, but generally there is usually someone here who can answer most questions | |
| 22:17 | brendan | like the title say's -- ask away |
| 22:18 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 22:18 | steve | nod. I actually just downloaded Colloquy for my iMac in anticipation of the 19:00 mtg. |
| 22:18 | so I logged in early | |
| 22:19 | I was going to just lurk this first time but I am curious how well Koha works for consortia in support of ILL? | |
| 22:20 | chris | i know a lot of consortia use it |
| 22:21 | im not sure any of them are around at the mo | |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea: ? | |
| 22:26 | guess not :) | |
| 22:26 | there are at least 2 people from consortia who are often on here | |
| 22:28 | i do think ILL is an area that needs more work though | |
| 22:29 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
| 22:31 | steve | np, like I said I have a lot to learn. |
| 22:31 | * chris | needs a coffee |
| 22:31 | chris | bbiab |
| 22:57 | steve | i found my answer |
| 22:58 | masscat.org appears to be a pretty good model. very cool. | |
| 23:08 | slef | this morning's storm has just reached here. I think I just heard the dustbin take off |
| 23:10 | steve | yikes! |
| 23:10 | if you had been in it you could have gone for a ride, yes? | |
| 23:10 | slef | also currently hearing random scraping along the walls |
| 23:10 | I may yet be going for a ride. | |
| 23:10 | @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET | |
| 23:10 | munin | slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 14.7�C (12:10 AM BST on September 03, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:11 | steve | it is a base one, eh? |
| 23:11 | slef | what no wind speed? |
| 23:12 | hrm, it says 20km/h which doesn't seem right | |
| 23:12 | Cardiff (across the river) says 61.2 km/h which is a more credible. | |
| 23:25 | chris | dammmmnnnn this label creator is awesome |
| 23:25 | chris_n2++ | |
| 23:27 | cait1 | we really need a tutorial how to have different installations from different branches as mentioned in the meeting today... .9 |
| 23:27 | .9 | |
| 23:27 | .9 = :) | |
| 23:27 | chris | :) |
| 23:27 | if you are around tonight nz time (the day your time) ill show you how i do it | |
| 23:29 | cait1 | thats tempting, but starting my vacation tomorrow so wont be here for a few days |
| 23:30 | gmcharlt | but hacking Koha *should* be a restful part of any vacation ;) |
| 23:30 | chris | :) |
| 23:31 | * gmcharlt | perhaps needs to get dinner |
| 23:31 | brendan | I already order room-service for gmcharlt |
| 23:31 | chris | @quote add <@gmcharlt> but hacking Koha *should* be a restful part of any vacation ;) |
| 23:31 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #31 added. |
| 23:31 | brendan | j/k |
| 23:32 | gmcharlt | brendan: yeah, I'm still stuck in the office, so I suspect they don't go quite that far afield ;) |
| 23:32 | cait1 | they just wont let me go online where I go :) |
| 23:32 | brendan | gmcharlt -- time to go |
| 23:32 | :) | |
| 23:32 | cait1 | by gmcharlt |
| 23:32 | chris | excuses excuses cait1 :) |
| 23:32 | cait1 | bye |
| 23:33 | gmcharlt | cait1: have a good vacatin |
| 23:33 | cait1 | thx gmcharlt |
| 23:35 | I will sure come back to your offer if it still stands next week | |
| 23:36 | chris | yep ;) |
| 23:37 | gmcharlt left #koha | |
| 23:40 | cait1 | :) |
| 23:52 | joetho joined #koha | |
| 23:56 | |Lupin| | @wunder Konstanz, Germany |
| 23:56 | munin | |Lupin|: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0�C (1:00 AM CEST on September 03, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:58 | chris | chris_n2: you about? |
| 23:59 | |Lupin| | @wunder Paris, France |
| 23:59 | munin | |Lupin|: The current temperature in Paris, France is 16.0�C (1:30 AM CEST on September 03, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). |
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