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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | hdl_laptop | current .... ???? |
| 00:00 | I mean, | |
| 00:02 | a) looks like we have not been interested enough to provide ppl with comparison operators. | |
| 00:03 | gmcharlt | now I'm really confused - what do search comparison operators how to do with OPAC displays? |
| 00:04 | hdl_laptop | Nothing. |
| 00:05 | But you seemed to discuss use of Z3950 as an underlying search/retrieve protocol. | |
| 00:05 | Never mind. | |
| 00:05 | I'd have rather go to bed. | |
| 00:10 | pianohacker | Good night |
| 00:14 | gmcharlt | g'night hdl_laptop |
| 00:15 | hdl_laptop | see you. Thanks for your patience |
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| 00:17 | richard | hi |
| 00:18 | pianohacker | Hello |
| 00:23 | richard | hi pianohacker |
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| 01:06 | chris | hi IrmaCalyx |
| 01:55 | brendan | good night |
| 01:58 | pianohacker | good night, brendan |
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| 02:33 | chris_n2 | g'night |
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| 03:14 | Amit | hi chris, brendan |
| 03:14 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:14 | chris | hi Amit |
| 03:20 | pianohacker | Good night |
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| 04:39 | chris | hi magnusenger |
| 04:43 | magnusenger | hi chris! |
| 04:57 | Amit | hi magnusenger |
| 05:01 | magnusenger | hi Amit |
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| 05:50 | Amit | hi kf |
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| 05:57 | kf | hi Amit and good morning #koha |
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| 07:50 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 07:55 | kf | hi hdl |
| 07:56 | hdl_laptop | hi kf |
| 08:12 | kf | we currently work on our first patch to koha - I managed to create a .patch-file yesterday |
| 08:12 | can I send this file with my email client to patches mailing list? | |
| 08:15 | chris | git send-email |
| 08:15 | is the nice way of doing it | |
| 08:20 | kf | yes, but I have to create the patch on my laptop, wich has not internet connection |
| 08:21 | chris | hmm how were you going to email it? |
| 08:21 | copy it to another computer? | |
| 08:22 | kf | wanted to do that yes |
| 08:22 | chris | another linux computer? |
| 08:22 | cos if so you can just git send-email on it :) | |
| 08:22 | kf | also that we can use the company email address, dont want to use my private one (wich is not subscribed anyway) |
| 08:22 | no windows :( | |
| 08:22 | chris | ahh well git-send email lets you change the address its from |
| 08:22 | kf | or ubuntu without git installed (and im permitted to install something there) |
| 08:23 | chris | you can send it from a mail client |
| 08:23 | kf | not permitted. |
| 08:24 | chris | that works, just doesn't make a as nice as email |
| 08:24 | kf | I think we can do it with git send-email next time, but its vacation time now |
| 08:24 | creating the patch on my private laptop | |
| 08:25 | I will try to copy all neccessary information to the mail | |
| 08:25 | bbl | |
| 08:55 | bigbrovar | . |
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| 09:03 | chris | hi Kivutar and paul_p |
| 09:04 | Kivutar | hi chris and all |
| 09:04 | * paul_p | and Kivutar at Drupalcon ... |
| 09:04 | chris | i see your patch kf |
| 09:04 | ahh cool | |
| 09:04 | josh waihi is tweeting | |
| 09:05 | paul_p | today is more a coderun than a conference. |
| 09:05 | chris | http://twitpic.com/g2j9j |
| 09:05 | kf | chris: hope its ok, my boss did the programming |
| 09:06 | chris | looks fine to me at first glance |
| 09:07 | kf | chris: just helped to create the patch and to send it away. It looks really nice for the Hebrew, Japanese and Russian records from LOC I tested. |
| 09:08 | chris | excellent it will make a lot of people happy then :) |
| 09:17 | paul_p | chris: do you know when josh w speaks ? and what is the subject of his conference ? |
| 09:20 | * paul_p | can't find josh waihi on conf schedule :( |
| 09:26 | chris | he is speaking twice |
| 09:26 | look for ones about postgresql | |
| 09:29 | fiasco | |
| 09:29 | that's who to to look for | |
| 09:30 | http://paris2009.drupalcon.org[…]-tools-and-tricks | |
| 09:30 | is one | |
| 09:31 | bigbrovar | chris: morning chris just to confirm dev meeting is 1900 hours UTC today? |
| 09:31 | chris | yep .. so in 10.5 hours |
| 09:33 | bigbrovar | aight thanks |
| 09:34 | chris | paul_p: http://paris2009.drupalcon.org[…]r/52/my_schedule2 |
| 09:39 | bigbrovar | chris: so to stree you on this but i have really googled it and cant figure out how to add users to koha .. |
| 09:39 | chris | how to migrate them? or just how to add them? |
| 09:41 | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]new-staff-patron/ | |
| 09:42 | bigbrovar | add them we dont have any library system to migrate from in the first place .. although we have an ldap server with users not sure how that can be integrated to koha |
| 09:42 | chris | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]/add-a-new-patron |
| 09:43 | bigbrovar | oh users are called patrons .. ahhhhh thanks .. i owe u a beer (or your favourite beverage ) |
| 09:44 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]:development:ldap |
| 09:44 | yeah, patrons is what they are called in america (members in nz) | |
| 09:52 | paul_p | "users" or "readers" in France |
| 09:52 | * paul_p | suspects patrons being a usa-ism |
| 09:52 | chris | yep |
| 09:53 | kf | same in Germany - Benutzer = user and Leser = reader |
| 09:54 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/en_NZ/opac3_0/ |
| 09:54 | translates patron back to member :) | |
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| 09:59 | chris | evening jransom |
| 10:06 | jransom | evening mr cormack |
| 10:06 | you get me email? | |
| 10:06 | me=my | |
| 10:07 | chris | hmm nope |
| 10:07 | when did you send it? | |
| 10:07 | jransom | just now |
| 10:07 | richard stallman is coming to levin to talk about koha and kete | |
| 10:07 | chris | oh wow, really |
| 10:07 | jransom | 6th oct |
| 10:07 | save the date | |
| 10:07 | chris | thats pretty cool |
| 10:07 | will do | |
| 10:08 | jransom | :) |
| 10:08 | and he is probably going to do a public talk on cc and community | |
| 10:08 | chris | cool |
| 10:08 | hes doing the copyright one at lianza | |
| 10:09 | make sure you say free software not open source :) | |
| 10:09 | jransom | copyright and community in the age of digital networks |
| 10:09 | chris | ahh sounds like the same one as lianza |
| 10:09 | jransom | yep - will have to watch tht! |
| 10:09 | might be a dry run then ! | |
| 10:09 | chris | did you send to my work or bigballofwax address? |
| 10:09 | jransom | work |
| 10:10 | brenda has set it up | |
| 10:10 | chris | yay brenda |
| 10:10 | jransom | sent it to bigball too |
| 10:10 | chris | ta |
| 10:10 | did you see that paul_p ? :) | |
| 10:11 | jransom | imagine him coming to our little library .. |
| 10:11 | paul_p | nope, thanks to point this to me ;-) |
| 10:11 | my question: what can RMS say about Koha | |
| 10:12 | I mean koha specific. I bet he will just speak of licence & freedom & all that kind of things (as usual) | |
| 10:12 | chris | he will in his general talk |
| 10:12 | jransom | i think he interested in talking to us about koha and kete |
| 10:12 | chris | yes |
| 10:12 | jransom | his tallk wont be about koha |
| 10:13 | chris | he is coming to hear about koha/kete .. and also give a talk |
| 10:13 | 2 different things .. is tht right jo? | |
| 10:13 | jransom | yep - exactly. |
| 10:13 | coming for the visit | |
| 10:13 | paul_p | jransom: when Koha won "trophee du libre", in 2003, he was a member of the selecting team |
| 10:13 | jransom | but if we want him to talk he will while he is here |
| 10:13 | paul_p | jury ? (french only ?) |
| 10:14 | chris | no jury is right |
| 10:14 | paul_p | so, he knows at least a few things about koha. At least 2003 koha :D |
| 10:14 | jransom | ah - cool |
| 10:14 | chris | we can get his opinion on with holding code from the community |
| 10:14 | and how to deal with it | |
| 10:14 | :-) | |
| 10:14 | jransom | lol |
| 10:14 | gosh - i bet he has an opinion on that | |
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| 10:15 | chris | that will be both linus and rms who have heard about koha :-) |
| 10:15 | jransom | you might be able to get a photo with RS too! |
| 10:17 | paul_p | time to go to lunch. kivutar is hungry... |
| 10:17 | chris | hehe yeah :) |
| 10:17 | i showed you my one with linus eh? | |
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| 10:18 | andy is now known as pie | |
| 10:18 | jransom | yes chris - you have. |
| 10:18 | chris | :) |
| 10:18 | jransom | i think you attach it to every email you send out :) |
| 10:18 | chris | hehe |
| 10:19 | jransom | back to work tomorrow |
| 10:19 | been home sick - + 3 kids | |
| 10:19 | chris | so koha worked ok ? |
| 10:19 | jransom | spose so .. |
| 10:19 | chris | i guess so, or i woulda heard aobout it |
| 10:19 | jransom | havn't heard otherwise |
| 10:19 | chris | should be able to send the loaner back |
| 10:19 | jransom | so are now running on the new servers? |
| 10:19 | fantastic. | |
| 10:19 | i'll getthat back tomorrow | |
| 10:20 | they will be pleased | |
| 10:20 | its damnnear second hand now though... | |
| 10:20 | anyway - not our problem. | |
| 10:22 | chris | yep switched it over last night |
| 10:22 | jransom | great stuff. |
| 10:22 | chris | so if no one even noticed, thats a raging success :) |
| 10:23 | jransom | indeed it is. |
| 10:27 | right - bedtime. | |
| 10:27 | talk tomorrow. | |
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| 11:57 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
| 11:58 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 11:58 | good afternoon | |
| 11:58 | and good evening | |
| 11:59 | chris_n | lol |
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| 12:05 | jwagner | and good night |
| 12:05 | gmcharlt | jwagner++ |
| 12:06 | jwagner | Or, to be Edward R. Murrow-ish about it, Good Night and Good Luck |
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| 12:08 | Amit | hi galen, jwagner |
| 12:08 | gmcharlt | hi Amit |
| 12:08 | jwagner | Hi Amit |
| 12:12 | chris_n | hi Amit |
| 12:12 | hi jwagner | |
| 12:13 | kf | hi gmcharlt and jane wagner |
| 12:15 | Amit | hi chris_n |
| 12:16 | * chris_n | greets kf |
| 12:17 | suddenly realizes he is working on the wrong branch :-P | |
| 12:17 | * kf | greets chris_n |
| 12:17 | jwagner | and hi to all |
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| 12:19 | |Lupin| | hello ! |
| 12:19 | Amit | hi lupin very late |
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| 12:54 | owen | hdl_laptop? |
| 12:55 | hdl_laptop | yes |
| 12:55 | owen | Hi. |
| 12:55 | I read in the logs you mentioned "patches owen sends which load some jquery code into database" | |
| 12:56 | I don't know what you're referring to | |
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| 13:00 | * owen | is happy to see Galen and Debra Denault mentioned in Marshall Breeding's Library Technology Update today |
| 13:02 | hdl_laptop | Good. |
| 13:03 | owen: I just saw your patch about additionnal search. | |
| 13:03 | (detail page) | |
| 13:03 | And I thought it was great to have that kind of stuff parametrized. | |
| 13:04 | But also a pity not to be able to translate the strings. | |
| 13:05 | owen | Are you referring to nengard's patch? http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]2f178525ea40ae7c8 |
| 13:07 | hdl_laptop | sorry for blaming you unfair ly. |
| 13:08 | owen | That's okay :) |
| 13:09 | I think Nicole's solution was the best available given the current architecture of system preferences | |
| 13:09 | Otherwise we'd need to create a whole management system for those links | |
| 13:11 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 13:11 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009) |
| 13:12 | owen | I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say. |
| 13:14 | jdavidb | @quote add <owen>I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say. |
| 13:14 | munin | jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #28 added. |
| 13:14 | owen | :P |
| 13:14 | jdavidb | :P , owen |
| 13:14 | I'm a little slow on the uptake today, but when you hand one out that's *that* obvious... | |
| 13:15 | kf | :) |
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| 13:27 | chris_n | gmcharlt: what is the goal of spinelabel-print.pl ? |
| 13:28 | paul_p | chris_n: printing spine labels maybe ? :D |
| 13:28 | chris_n | lol ;-) |
| 13:29 | it does not produce pdf output | |
| 13:29 | so I'm wondering just how effective it is with differing spine label media | |
| 13:30 | if the goal is simply to be able to feed in a barcode and get out a label, then I'll just duplicate that functionality | |
| 13:30 | well, it helps to read the commit messages.... sometimes. :-) | |
| 13:32 | ahh, dedicated label printers... I think I'll leave it alone for now. | |
| 13:41 | bigbrovar | chris + 1 for freesoftware |
| 13:54 | |Lupin| | bigbrovar: do chris++ if you want to increase his karma... :) |
| 13:55 | * chris_n | rates testing code only a notch above writing POD |
| 13:55 | chris_n | on the scale of fun things to do, that is |
| 14:03 | bigbrovar | lupin: thanks |
| 14:04 | chris_n++ | |
| 14:12 | |Lupin| | pls |
| 14:12 | someone knows how to drop some keys in mysql ? | |
| 14:24 | paul_p left #koha | |
| 14:27 | chris_n | |Lupin|: do you want to drop them completely or just disable them temporarily? |
| 14:34 | |Lupin| | chris_n: drop them completely |
| 14:34 | nicomo_laptop | kf: around? |
| 14:34 | |Lupin| | chris_n: disabling I know actually, but not dropping |
| 14:35 | kf | yes |
| 14:35 | trying to sort my mailbox before vacation :) | |
| 14:35 | chris_n | |Lupin|: something like 'ALTER TABLE some_table DROP FOREIGN KEY some_key_name;' |
| 14:35 | nicomo_laptop | eh eh, I'm trying to do the same *after* my vacation |
| 14:36 | about bug 3551 | |
| 14:36 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3551 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, patron able to place hold on book he already has |
| 14:36 | nicomo_laptop | I'd like to have more info about the "feature" part of it |
| 14:36 | how do you anticipate patrons to use it as is? | |
| 14:37 | it's just I can't think of a real world use for it | |
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| 14:39 | |Lupin| | chris_n: hmm would that work even if the keys are not oreign ? |
| 14:41 | kf | nicomo_laptop: I share your opionion that it should be changed, but I think chris said some libraries may want it that way so it should be an option |
| 14:42 | perhaps so can put another volume on hold | |
| 14:42 | nicomo_laptop | ah /me turns to chris_n then |
| 14:42 | kf | like checked out volume 1 and want to read volume 2 later |
| 14:42 | chris without _n | |
| 14:42 | nicomo_laptop | too many chris' in here |
| 14:43 | chris around? | |
| 14:43 | ah no | |
| 14:43 | 3am there | |
| 14:43 | kf | I think he is asleep now :) |
| 14:43 | nicomo_laptop | probably not :-) |
| 14:43 | ok, I'll ping him on this tomorrow | |
| 14:44 | even in your exemple, the patron can do just that holding items | |
| 14:44 | so I'm not quite sure, maybe he'll have a good rationale for it though, we'll see | |
| 14:44 | thanks kf | |
| 14:45 | kf | nicomo_laptop: sorry, I dont remember his arguments - but conclusion was: write an enhancement request (which is still on my list, but you were faster :) ) |
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| 14:58 | |Lupin| | question for librarians: assume you have a home-made record in a catalogue, and you find a better record, say, at the national library of your country. Is it possible with Koha to replace the home-made record by the one from the national library, please ? |
| 15:05 | owen | It's easy to do if the better record can be found with z39.50 |
| 15:05 | Just open the old record, do a z39.50 search, and import the record you find. | |
| 15:08 | |Lupin| | owen: ah ok, thanks. Unfortunately the z39.50 server of our national library is terribly slow. NO other way ? |
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| 15:12 | owen | |Lupin|: I suspect you could use the MARC import tool as well. There are options for how to handle matched records during the import process, but you'd have to be sure the two records matched on whatever point the import tool looks at |
| 15:12 | I'm not very familiar with it | |
| 15:13 | |Lupin| | owen: ok, thanks a lot for the pointer |
| 15:15 | owen: so the import tool (is it stage MARC records for import you are mentionning, actually) applies some rules to see whether the imported records create some duplicates with already existing ones ? | |
| 15:17 | owen | To my understanding, yes |
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| 15:22 | |Lupin| | owen: ok, tanks |
| 15:24 | and I assume if a more refined merging is required, one has to do it "manually", I mean there are no tools that can help in Koha... Am I right ? | |
| 15:26 | owen | Not that I know of, but I don't know what's coming from paul and hdl_laptop for 3.2 |
| 15:26 | * owen | heads out to a meeting |
| 15:26 | owen is now known as owen-away | |
| 15:27 | hdl_laptop | |Lupin|: something arinve to merge two biblios |
| 15:38 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: great ! can you be a bit more precise, or is it too early ? |
| 15:39 | hdl_laptop | mmm a little too early atm |
| 15:41 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: ok |
| 15:42 | just a quick question to all | |
| 15:42 | I have added a fiew virtualshelves to the database | |
| 15:42 | I think I did it manually because of accessibility problems | |
| 15:42 | hey don't appear in the staff client when one logs n as the owner of the shelves | |
| 15:42 | any idea what may have been done wrong,pls ? | |
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| 16:10 | |Lupin| | Is there some psysperf that should be turned on so that the virtual shelves work, pls ? |
| 16:12 | kf | there is one for virtual shelves |
| 16:13 | |Lupin| | ahah, thanks kf |
| 16:15 | kf: set to 1 here, should work;;; | |
| 16:18 | kf | hm |
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| 16:46 | |Lupin| | do the lists have to contain one element to be displayed in the staff clietn, or should they be displayed even when they are empty ? |
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| 16:53 | |Lupin| | hey Jese |
| 16:53 | (pia) :-) | |
| 16:53 | pianohacker | Hi, Sébastien |
| 16:53 | |Lupin| | (pianohacker) :-) |
| 16:54 | pianohacker: I'm having a problem with Koha lists... I have created two of them and still, when I log in to the staff client as the user that has created them, they don't appear | |
| 16:54 | pianohacker: any idea abut what goes wrong ? | |
| 16:54 | pianohacker | Do they appear under Public Lists, under Lists in the staff interface? |
| 16:56 | |Lupin| | no, it says there are no lists... |
| 16:56 | btw the interface still calls them virtual shelves... assume it's normal ? | |
| 16:56 | pianohacker | Probably a bug :) |
| 16:57 | |Lupin| | hmm ? |
| 16:57 | surprising... | |
| 17:16 | kf | bye #koha - officially on vacation now - yay :) |
| 17:16 | pianohacker | Bye, have a good vacation |
| 17:16 | kf | thx, will attend irc meeting tomorrow - but still -vacation yay :) |
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| 17:21 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: I just examined the code and tried the SQL requests: they give back the expected result. Any idea what else could be checked ? |
| 17:22 | pianohacker | Hmm. What kind of lists did you make them? Private, Public, or Open? |
| 17:24 | |Lupin| | privae |
| 17:24 | private | |
| 17:25 | pianohacker: private | |
| 17:25 | pianohacker | Do they show up if you log into the OPAC as that staff user? |
| 17:25 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: let me check |
| 17:26 | pianohacker: yes they do !! | |
| 17:26 | pianohacker: so it's just in the INtranet they do not appear... perhas it is because they are still empty ? can hardly believe that... | |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | No, that shouldn't be it |
| 17:27 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: okk. Anyway, well spotted, thanks a lot. That's at least oone place where they can be accessed from, much better than nothing ! |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | If you look at the HTML source, is there any sign of them? Could be a glitch in the display |
| 17:28 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: I can check, but in the opac it clearly says there are no lists |
| 17:28 | pianohacker: although the sql requests seem correct, as I said. | |
| 17:28 | pianohacker | Yes |
| 17:29 | I thought you said the OPAC was working? | |
| 17:30 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yeah the OPAC is working |
| 17:30 | pianohacker: it's just in the staff client they are not shown | |
| 17:30 | pianohacker: no trace of them in the staff client page's source code | |
| 17:30 | pianohacker | Do the lists show up at all in the HTML for the staff side? |
| 17:30 | Ah | |
| 17:30 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: no |
| 17:31 | pianohacker | You answered my question as I asked it |
| 17:31 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yeah I think I understood it a bit late... |
| 17:32 | schuster left #koha | |
| 17:32 | pianohacker | Okay. There are two tabs on the staff Lists interface; the list doesn't show up on either of them (verifying) |
| 17:33 | schuster joined #koha | |
| 17:33 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: since I'm using lynx it is hard to give a correct answer to this one |
| 17:35 | pianohacker | Ah |
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| 17:36 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: when I go to cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl, there are two links: your lists and then Public virtual shelves. And then come two messages: NO private virtual shelves. No public virtual shelves. |
| 17:37 | pianohacker | Does anything show up on the staff client if you create a public list? |
| 17:37 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: let me try that. |
| 17:38 | schuster left #koha | |
| 17:38 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yes, the public one appears. |
| 17:39 | schuster joined #koha | |
| 17:40 | pianohacker | Are you logged in as kohaadmin? (grasping at straws) |
| 17:41 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yeah I'm logged in with a super libraian account |
| 17:41 | cait | superlibrarian or root? :) |
| 17:41 | |Lupin| | cait: super librarian |
| 17:41 | cait: no root in Kha... | |
| 17:41 | pianohacker | But not the MySQL account |
| 17:41 | cait | yeah, thought that |
| 17:42 | |Lupin| | ah no |
| 17:42 | personal account with superlibrarian priviledges | |
| 17:42 | pianohacker | Okay. I'm pretty much at a loss; can't duplicate the problem... |
| 17:42 | Does it appear with a normal staff user? | |
| 17:43 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: since they are private lists;.. should they appear in the first place ? |
| 17:43 | pianohacker | They should appear for that staff user, yes |
| 17:43 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ok |
| 17:44 | pianohacker: do you know how to check at the database level that an account is not superlibrarian, pls ? | |
| 17:44 | pianohacker | The flags column in borrowers is a bit mask; if that column is odd, the borrower is a superlibrarian |
| 17:46 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: bit 1 of flags, ok, thanks |
| 17:48 | pianohacker: k, tried with a non super librarina staff client. Can't see the list, neither in staff client nor in Opac, went to the Manage lists page. | |
| 17:50 | pianohacker | Huh. Confirmed that adding Private lists is buggy with non-JavaScript browsers |
| 17:50 | Can't add a private list in w3m | |
| 17:51 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: hmm |
| 17:51 | pianohacker: in lynx things are different | |
| 17:51 | I could add the list | |
| 17:51 | lists | |
| 17:51 | pianohacker | Well, I can add it |
| 17:51 | It just doesn't show up | |
| 17:51 | |Lupin| | they did show up in the database |
| 17:51 | it's just they are not show up in staff | |
| 17:51 | pianohacker | It also doesn't show up in Firefox |
| 17:51 | |Lupin| | but well, perhaps not such an important issue.. |
| 17:51 | pianohacker | Annoying, though |
| 17:52 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: do you have them in your db ? |
| 17:52 | pianohacker: yep, but not the only thing that doesn't work correctly without js | |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 17:52 | Yes... | |
| 17:53 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: cause if you have them in the DB, then aI'm wondering if you can see any difference between these lines and those yu have for lists added with js-aware browsers |
| 17:55 | pianohacker | I can't figure out why it would be breaking at first glance |
| 17:55 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ok, maybe we have to wait and the solution will become obvious later... |
| 17:56 | pianohacker | yes |
| 17:56 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: anyway, many thanks for your help, good quesitons that lead to a fairl precise description of the problem ! |
| 17:56 | thanks a lot for that !!! | |
| 17:56 | pianohacker | No problem. Sorry I couldn't fix it |
| 17:59 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: common ! I'm pretty sure we will discover soon you have done nine tenth of the path if not more !! |
| 17:59 | pianohacker | It is nice to know what you're trying to fix |
| 18:02 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: thanks a lot for your support, it is very appreciated and very encouraging |
| 18:02 | pianohacker | Not a problem |
| 18:02 | Which reminds me | |
| 18:02 | sekjal: around? | |
| 18:05 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 18:08 | bigbrovar | hi guys so i have done most of the configuration for my koha server, only area left is how to populate the database with u know .. books .. now before now the librarian in my school used a tool called cutter to get the author number and then cross checks the book for its classification in the ddc website. and input all this data to a spreedsheet (OO.o) now am looking for a way to import the work done in this spreedsheet into koha .. but am at a loss on ho |
| 18:08 | w to go about this | |
| 18:08 | pianohacker | Any luck with MarcEdit? |
| 18:09 | sekjal | I'm here, pianohacker |
| 18:09 | bigbrovar | oh yeah am using it right now (using it with windows Virtualbox) |
| 18:09 | sekjal | sorry, been looking at all kinds of screens lately |
| 18:10 | pianohacker | sekjal: Have you considered simply importing the serials as items, then using a perl script to copy the necessary serials information after import? |
| 18:11 | bigbrovar | but i dont know how it work.. i exported the spreedsheet to csv .. but i have not used MarEdit before and dont know how to go about it :( |
| 18:11 | sekjal | some of my issues do have item records, and those have been imported as such. |
| 18:12 | pianohacker | bigbrovar: I believe that if you search the mailing lists, there is a guide to importing from CSV |
| 18:12 | sekjal | for the issues that are only in the 'checkin' records, I suppose I could modify my stylesheet to convert them into MARCXML 952, provided I can fill the data in all the right places |
| 18:12 | bigbrovar | pianohacker: thanks will do that now |
| 18:12 | pianohacker | sekjal: That might be the easiest way to do it. No standard way to import serials that I know of |
| 18:12 | bigbrovar: Good luck | |
| 18:13 | owen | pianohacker and |Lupin|, do I need to review the virtual shelves system for no-js issues? |
| 18:13 | * owen | just skimmed the backlog |
| 18:13 | bigbrovar | pianohacker: thanks i need it .. more of a generic sysad no nothing about libraries and their methods :) |
| 18:14 | |Lupin| | bye everybody |
| 18:14 | pianohacker | owen: Possibly. It looks to be a very strange issue, so fun fun fun ahead |
| 18:14 | Bye, |Lupin| | |
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| 18:16 | bigbrovar | pianohacker: searching produced some promising report .. going thru them now |
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| 18:21 | * sekjal | mulls over pianohacker's suggestion... hmmmm |
| 18:34 | rhcl | @seen wizzyrea |
| 18:35 | munin | rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> but maybe not |
| 18:35 | rhcl | harumpf |
| 18:35 | @seen chris | |
| 18:35 | munin | rhcl: chris was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 12 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <chris> so if no one even noticed, thats a raging success :) |
| 18:35 | rhcl | harumpf |
| 18:35 | chris | morning |
| 18:35 | pianohacker | What are you trying to hide, chris? |
| 18:36 | rhcl | chris! |
| 18:36 | I just stumbled across this link, anybody know anything about the Pioneer Project (poss just in Nebraska)? | |
| 18:36 | pianohacker | timing++ |
| 18:36 | How are you, chris? | |
| 18:36 | rhcl | http://www.slideshare.net/gmic[…]aska-presentation |
| 18:36 | chris | pianohacker: a server go live, switched servers, no one noticed |
| 18:36 | rhcl | It's going to be presented here: |
| 18:36 | http://www.nebraskalibraries.o[…]2009/program.html | |
| 18:36 | pianohacker | Oh, yes. It is nice when things like that go unnoticed |
| 18:36 | rhcl | If I did a little song and dance my director would let me go, but I'm kinda ambivalent about going. |
| 18:37 | chris | hmm never heard of it |
| 18:37 | owen | I don't see it listed in the program |
| 18:37 | rhcl | Do a word search for pioneer |
| 18:37 | it's there | |
| 18:38 | owen | Oh, pioneer. |
| 18:38 | rhcl | 11:00 on Friday |
| 18:38 | chris | so i wonder if they are doing their own, or going with EG or Koha ? |
| 18:39 | owen | Whatever they're doing they're leaving no tracks on the web |
| 18:39 | rhcl | Well, that's not clear, but they talk about both EG and Koha, but almost suggest they have something else in mind too. |
| 18:39 | chris | yeah |
| 18:39 | rhcl | Maybe I should go and gather some info. |
| 18:40 | owen | Maybe you should go and bust the place up |
| 18:40 | rhcl | Well, huh, I suppose I could do that. |
| 18:41 | owen | Tell 'em next time they oughta pay protection money to Koha or somethin' like that'll happen again |
| 18:41 | rhcl | So, how much should I collect from them? |
| 18:42 | owen | Uh... You got me. Anyone else have any experience with protection rackets? |
| 18:43 | pianohacker | Just charge them in patches |
| 18:43 | rhcl | hehe |
| 18:43 | pianohacker | Make them rewrite the fines module or something like that |
| 18:43 | owen | I think that may violate the Geneva convention |
| 18:44 | pianohacker | Hehe |
| 18:45 | Programming it might not be that bad; getting it to match the cryptic requirements of the circ managers will be the inhumane part | |
| 18:46 | rhcl | @seen nicole |
| 18:46 | munin | rhcl: I have not seen nicole. |
| 18:47 | pianohacker | @seen nengard |
| 18:47 | munin | pianohacker: nengard was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 15 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <nengard> okay |
| 18:47 | rhcl | Nicole added the nebraska group to the Koha ILS group. Whatever Web 2.0 group that might have happened to be. |
| 18:48 | chris | that might just be cos that presentation mentioned koha though |
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| 18:51 | rhcl | http://www.lincolnlibraries.or[…]genda01-20-09.pdf |
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| 18:53 | chris_n | *groan* |
| 18:53 | * chris_n | accidentally squashes two patches that should not have been :'( |
| 18:53 | hdl_laptop | reset --soft HEAD~1 |
| 18:54 | chris | rhcl: still mysterious eh |
| 18:55 | chris_n | hdl_laptop: I'm two interactive rebases away from the mistake |
| 18:55 | owen joined #koha | |
| 18:55 | hdl_laptop | ooops |
| 18:55 | I sympathize. | |
| 18:55 | chris_n | git is like a cat... if you don't handle it just right you will get scratched |
| 18:59 | hdl_laptop | badly |
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| 19:00 | chris | hey its hedgesst !!! |
| 19:00 | ltns | |
| 19:00 | hedgesst | hi |
| 19:00 | (just lurking) | |
| 19:01 | tajoli | Hi, Koha irc logs is still working ? |
| 19:01 | owen | Hi neighbor |
| 19:01 | hedgesst | hey! |
| 19:01 | chris | they have shifted tajoli |
| 19:02 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today | |
| 19:04 | hedgesst: hows things going? you guys survive the budget cuts? | |
| 19:04 | hedgesst | yep, so far |
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| 19:04 | hedgesst | our cuts landed about a year before the libraries got hit |
| 19:04 | cait | the irc meeting is not today, is it? |
| 19:05 | chris | oh sheesh |
| 19:05 | pianohacker | cait: Nope, tomorrow |
| 19:05 | chris | stupid timezones |
| 19:05 | hedgesst | stupid dateline |
| 19:05 | cait | sorry, chris got me confused :P |
| 19:05 | and im easy to confuse about timezones | |
| 19:05 | * owen | appreciates gmcharlt's link to the Wolfram Alpha page from the announcement |
| 19:06 | tajoli | Ok, so the pages http://koha.org/about/get-involved/irc and http://koha.org/support/free-support need an update |
| 19:06 | chris | lol good luck with that |
| 19:08 | * chris | emails his work to say no he wont be late today, he will be late tomorrow instead |
| 19:08 | cait | I feel for you chris |
| 19:08 | (has some experience with tings like that) | |
| 19:10 | hdl_laptop | chris: hi I have a patch to propose to add xsl files to translations. |
| 19:11 | chris : unfortunately, i cannot get js files into the po. | |
| 19:11 | chris | ahhh |
| 19:11 | well xsl is good start | |
| 19:11 | tajoli: you could ask on the mailing list | |
| 19:11 | hdl_laptop | (struggled one day for that.) But TmplTokenizer is..... a nigthmare |
| 19:12 | chris | *nod* |
| 19:12 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: Speaking of which. Do you have any suggestions on translating the .pref files? Feature freeze is approaching fast, and I haven't had any epiphanies |
| 19:12 | hdl_laptop: No kidding | |
| 19:13 | hdl_laptop | pianohacker: can you send some .pref file to me ? |
| 19:13 | Are those TT templates ?? | |
| 19:15 | chris | hedgesst: i was thnkng about you the other day when i was doing some work on the history docs, its nearly 7 years (about a month away) since I first met you and owen in person |
| 19:15 | time flies | |
| 19:16 | hedgesst | yeah, I work very close to that motel you stayed in when you first arrived in Columbus |
| 19:16 | it's been torn down now, just a vacant lot | |
| 19:16 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: http://github.com/pianohacker/[…]rences/admin.pref |
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| 19:17 | pianohacker | YAML |
| 19:17 | chris | it wasnt the best motel in the world, probably the best thng that could have happened to it :) |
| 19:17 | the library near there was neat tho | |
| 19:17 | hedgesst | yes, Grandview Heights |
| 19:19 | tajoli | Yes, I will ask on koha mailing list about the two pages |
| 19:20 | hdl_laptop | pianohacker: I thought about the YAML problem. |
| 19:20 | pianohacker | Might be slightly easier than parsing the templates, as you can use YAML::Syck |
| 19:22 | hdl_laptop | two choices : use direct gettext over the file and use _('') |
| 19:22 | or use hashes with code languages. | |
| 19:23 | So that it could be all in one file | |
| 19:23 | schuster | This spirit of collaboration led to a discussion between Nebraska libraries. Meetings have been taking place talking about an Open Source solution. It has evolved into what is being called the Pioneer Project. The seven libraries that are currently involved in the project represent over 45% of Nebraska’s library users. That number will only grow, especially ahttp://www.mibbit.com/pb/yyx2vi |
| 19:24 | Minutes from the Lincoln Library meeting looks like they are trying to build a statewide system similar to Georgia. | |
| 19:24 | hdl_laptop | pianohacker: and then when loading, you could filter the hash valuse you want |
| 19:25 | chris | yeah the question is whether they are gonna use an existing solution to do that, or write a new one |
| 19:26 | it would seem pretty silly to me to not use EG or Koha to do that, rather than reinvent the wheel | |
| 19:26 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: Hrm. That last one is a possibility |
| 19:26 | chris | but what do i i know :) |
| 19:27 | pianohacker | The first would be easier, but would involve a lot of copy-paste work |
| 19:28 | hdl_laptop | maybe you could get internationalisation of the systempreferences from the template. |
| 19:29 | A button 'add translation' which would then store the result into the YAML file | |
| 19:29 | Potentially a risk. | |
| 19:29 | But also a chance | |
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| 19:30 | hdl_laptop | Same system should be done for MARC structure |
| 19:30 | pianohacker | hdl_laptop: Note that these YAML files are used directly; systempreference descriptions have been taken out of the database |
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| 19:32 | rhcl | schuster: are you in Nebraska? |
| 19:34 | owen | He's in Texas. You can tell by his ten-gallon hat. |
| 19:34 | chris | and huge steaks |
| 19:35 | that was a fun conference | |
| 19:35 | rhcl | Texas Steak Conference? |
| 19:35 | chris | AKA kohacon09 |
| 19:35 | rhcl | Ah |
| 19:36 | So bacon will be the official food of KohaCon 2010? | |
| 19:36 | chris | hangi |
| 19:36 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C4%81ngi | |
| 19:37 | cait left #koha | |
| 19:37 | chris | oh utf8 fail |
| 19:37 | search wikipedia for hangi if that link fails :) | |
| 19:37 | rhcl | But hangi is a method of cooking, right? So you dig a pit and fill it with bacon? |
| 19:38 | chris | hehe could do |
| 19:38 | owen | So KohaCon 2010 will be BYOB(acon) |
| 19:38 | chris | you'll never get that through customs :) |
| 19:39 | did i show you guys this | |
| 19:39 | http://www.thelibrary.co.nz/ | |
| 19:40 | im gonna see if they want to sponsor a bit of kohacon :) | |
| 19:41 | rhcl | looks like a great place to have an after-session get together |
| 19:42 | owen | chris, ask if they want to sponsor my plane ticket! |
| 19:43 | jwagner | And mine! |
| 19:47 | rhcl | Plane ticket isn't much, see if they want to cover my bar bill. |
| 19:47 | chris | :) |
| 19:48 | ok, kahu is eating toast, atarau is back to sleep | |
| 19:48 | my work here is done | |
| 19:48 | * chris | goes to catch his bus |
| 19:49 | chris | bb in 40 mins or so |
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| 20:04 | owen | Gmail is down, so I'm going to go make sure my fallout shelter is stocked. See y'all in 75-100 years. |
| 20:04 | owen left #koha | |
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| 20:10 | chris_n | gmail-- |
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| 20:13 | wizzyrea | gmail-- (lol) |
| 20:13 | though, if you connect via imap it's technically fine >.> | |
| 20:13 | <.< | |
| 20:13 | pianohacker | O_o |
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| 20:26 | richard | hi |
| 20:26 | pianohacker | Quiet, we're mourning the death of GMail |
| 20:26 | Long live GMail | |
| 20:27 | chris | back |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea: offlineimap ftw | |
| 20:28 | syncs all your mail locally | |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | nah, I'm actually receiving new messages |
| 20:34 | but we're on google apps so... | |
| 20:37 | chris | yeah, i still love offlineimap tho :-) |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | well yes, it does have it's benefits %^.^ |
| 20:42 | hdl_laptop left #koha | |
| 20:45 | * chris_n | wearily looks for the mistake among 100 commits squashed to 40 :-P |
| 20:45 | rhcl | wizzy, to what extent are you on Google apps? |
| 20:48 | http://news.cnet.com/8301-3068[…]10323306-264.html | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | we use it for all of the things they provide |
| 20:52 | so email, calendars, docs, etc | |
| 20:52 | and yea, we had a brief outage today | |
| 20:52 | rhcl | WE = your office/KS libraries? |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | (most people in my office thought it was a relief |
| 20:52 | just our office | |
| 20:52 | nekls | |
| 20:52 | rhcl | icic |
| 20:59 | pianohacker | Hmm. GMail chat seems to be working through iGoogle, though mail itself isn't |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | eya, it's just mail looks like. |
| 21:01 | it's all a plot to get us to convert to wave | |
| 21:02 | chris | hehe |
| 21:02 | pianohacker | oh noes |
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| 21:02 | Jo | Morning |
| 21:02 | chris | heya Jo |
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| 21:03 | * chris_n | finishes up the label creator re-write... ready to submit |
| 21:05 | pianohacker | chris_n++ |
| 21:05 | chris_n | gmcharlt: how does 40 commit sound (down from 122) |
| 21:05 | gmcharlt | chris_n: good enough for me |
| 21:05 | chris_n | s/commit/commits/ |
| 21:05 | http://git.foundations.edu/?p=[…]eads/labels.recon | |
| 21:06 | I'll submit a pull request to patches@ later | |
| 21:06 | Jo | good stuff - I'm looking forward to this |
| 21:06 | chris | you know git has a cool trick for that too chris_n ? |
| 21:06 | chris_n | ? |
| 21:06 | what's that | |
| 21:06 | chris | http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10#comments |
| 21:07 | * chris_n | looks |
| 21:10 | chris_n | chris: I've been doing 'git remote -f -t branch remote_name remote_path' which tracks and forces fetch in one stroke |
| 21:10 | chris | cool |
| 21:10 | the request-pull is nice ... makes for a really nice email | |
| 21:10 | chris_n | then 'git branch --track branch_name start_point' |
| 21:10 | I'll try it out | |
| 21:11 | * chris_n | has had a crash course in git over the past week |
| 21:14 | schuster | see you all tomorrow! |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | bye, david |
| 21:14 | schuster left #koha | |
| 21:21 | chris_n | chris: I must have something messed up w/my repo config as git request-pull borks |
| 21:21 | works fine on my clones however | |
| 21:21 | chris | ah right |
| 21:22 | well a plain old email will work too ;) | |
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| 21:34 | * chris_n | wrestles git to the ground... |
| 21:35 | chris_n | chris: got it |
| 21:35 | chris | noice |
| 21:36 | chris_n | I ended up having to use the md5 from the begin and end commits |
| 21:36 | chris | ahh good thinking batman |
| 21:52 | ta si | |
| 22:47 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha - don't ask to ask a question, just ask your question :-) | |
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