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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | cait1 | you are always beating me to one or two degrees! :) |
| 00:01 | joetho left #koha | |
| 00:01 | ricardo | @wunder Lisbon, Portugal |
| 00:01 | munin | ricardo: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 19.0�C (12:30 AM WEST on September 03, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:01 | ricardo | Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) |
| 00:02 | I have to leave for a while. Take care! | |
| 00:02 | ricardo is now known as ricardo_away | |
| 00:06 | brendan | @wunder current location |
| 00:06 | munin | brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 00:07 | brendan | munin -- I think you should use some IP adresses for weather |
| 00:07 | munin | brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 00:12 | |Lupin| left #koha | |
| 00:13 | cait1 left #koha | |
| 00:14 | brendan | steve still around? |
| 00:14 | steve | i am still here. |
| 00:14 | busily reading the website | |
| 00:14 | brendan | where are you from? |
| 00:14 | steve | actually the koha and newgenlib comparison documents. |
| 00:14 | very interesting stuff. | |
| 00:15 | chris | who wrote those? |
| 00:15 | brendan | ha -- I mean location |
| 00:15 | * chris | probably read them, but cant recall |
| 00:15 | steve | I'm from Athol Massachusetts. s'why the Masscat.org stuff is so interesting. |
| 00:15 | brendan | right |
| 00:15 | I grew up in CT | |
| 00:16 | steve | Anuradha from Bangalor wrote the comparison i am reading now. |
| 00:16 | brendan | I thought those where from one of the india folks |
| 00:16 | steve | CT is just a ...um...long stones throw away :) |
| 00:16 | brendan | I was just in CT last week |
| 00:17 | what's Athol close to | |
| 00:17 | steve | Athol is 50 mi. north of Worcester Ma and 25 mi south of Keene NH |
| 00:17 | extreme northwest Mass basically :) | |
| 00:18 | brendan | I'm very familiar with westbourgh |
| 00:18 | one of the many bourghs | |
| 00:18 | steve | pretty country however.... Basin of the Green Mountains. |
| 00:18 | brendan | near Greefield |
| 00:18 | steve | nod. there are a million Boroughs |
| 00:18 | brendan | whoops Greenfield |
| 00:18 | steve | nod. near Greenfield |
| 00:19 | brb... my hot dogs are ready. ;) | |
| 00:23 | back | |
| 00:23 | so do you know greenfield? | |
| 00:24 | brendan | Yes |
| 00:24 | I had a bunch of good friends that went to Northfield | |
| 00:24 | steve | they have a great RPG store there. :) |
| 00:24 | nod. I am part of a developers group that meets in Northfield a couple times a month. | |
| 00:24 | brendan | also the owner -- err.... lead brewer for Dogfish ale went to Northfield |
| 00:25 | * chris | has been to boston a couple of times |
| 00:25 | steve | w000t! go Microbrews! |
| 00:25 | brendan | next time you make it to boston -- chris -- you need to try some dogfish |
| 00:25 | excellent -- very hoppy beers | |
| 00:25 | chris | you can get it here |
| 00:25 | brendan | ha |
| 00:25 | really? | |
| 00:26 | chris | yep |
| 00:26 | steve | so where is here? I didn't read that part of the website. |
| 00:26 | brendan | which ones? |
| 00:26 | chris | wellington, nz |
| 00:26 | lemme find the bar's website again | |
| 00:27 | brendan | curious -- because they make some outrageous beers |
| 00:27 | steve | for some reason I thought y'all were in midwestern US. not zn. |
| 00:27 | * brendan | favorite is the 90-minute or the 120-minute |
| 00:28 | brendan | nope I'm from the US |
| 00:28 | currently in Atlanta | |
| 00:28 | chris | cant find it, i know they had one, and they also had flying dog ales |
| 00:28 | brendan | but most of the time -- I'm splitting time between CT or CA |
| 00:28 | chris | (hunter s thompson's brewery) |
| 00:28 | brendan | flying dogs are good |
| 00:29 | chris are you familiar with rogue ? | |
| 00:29 | chris | nope |
| 00:29 | brendan | it's an oregon brewery |
| 00:29 | top notch | |
| 00:29 | * chris | is one of the original koha developers from nz |
| 00:29 | steve | i mixed up the server .nz with personal info... heh. |
| 00:30 | ok chris | |
| 00:30 | chris | brendan: ill check it out |
| 00:30 | brendan | if you need a good contact in the koha community -- chris is the one |
| 00:30 | steve | you are the release mgr for this latest release |
| 00:30 | chris | no |
| 00:30 | im translation manager for this release | |
| 00:30 | brendan | knows the history... knows the code |
| 00:30 | chris | i was release manager fo 1.0, and 1.4 |
| 00:31 | gmcharlt is the release manager for 3.2 | |
| 00:31 | * steve | gobbles some fish oil in hopes his memory holds up |
| 00:31 | steve | ok |
| 00:32 | chris | brendan is from bywater solutions, a newcomer but proving to be excellent member of the community |
| 00:32 | http://bywatersolutions.com/ | |
| 00:32 | * steve | tips his hat at brendan |
| 00:32 | brendan | well that's only if I get rugby updates from NZ |
| 00:33 | steve | lol! everybody has an angle, huh? |
| 00:33 | chris | slef who was here earlier (probably asleep by now) is from http://www.software.coop/ |
| 00:34 | steve | slef is the one who blew away? |
| 00:34 | :) | |
| 00:35 | brendan | and there's the whole biblibre contingent hdl_laptop nahuel paul_p etc |
| 00:35 | chris | yep |
| 00:35 | yeah and ptfs | |
| 00:35 | they will be asleep/afk too :) | |
| 00:35 | brendan | there is an excellent community now |
| 00:35 | * chris | works for www.catalyst.net.nz |
| 00:35 | steve | so most everyone is logging? |
| 00:35 | brendan | err... there is an excellent community |
| 00:35 | chris | the channel is logged |
| 00:36 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today | |
| 00:36 | steve | I was just hired by www.nelinet.net soon to be lyrasis.org to help with their OSS innovation process. |
| 00:37 | chris | sweet |
| 00:37 | steve | lots to learn! |
| 00:37 | chris | i know palinet have had lots to do with koha |
| 00:37 | not sure about solinet | |
| 00:37 | steve | I'm a code jockey in a world of Librarians :) |
| 00:38 | ~*~ help ~*~ | |
| 00:39 | solinet actually was doing a lot of training on another solution. I am hoping to bring a more balanced understanding of the landscape into the mix. | |
| 00:39 | chris | steve: welcome to my world for the last 10 years |
| 00:39 | brendan | good deal |
| 00:39 | chris | EG? |
| 00:39 | evegreen is good stuff too | |
| 00:39 | steve | nod EG. |
| 00:40 | * chris | is happy that people are using free software |
| 00:40 | chris | be it EG or Koha |
| 00:40 | brendan | cheers |
| 00:40 | steve | the jabberd stuff is fun to mess with. I will say that. |
| 00:41 | but honestly I am new enough to all this so that I eally need to see how it all works. | |
| 00:41 | chris | gmcharlt and atz both work for equinox |
| 00:41 | brendan | yup -- just got a good trunk install of Opensrf installed |
| 00:41 | gmcharlt joined #koha | |
| 00:41 | brendan | heya gmcharlt |
| 00:41 | chris | speak of the devil^w release manager |
| 00:41 | gmcharlt | hey brendan |
| 00:41 | chris: nothing saying the too can't be synonymous | |
| 00:41 | two, even | |
| 00:41 | chris | :) |
| 00:42 | steve | lol! right on que... were your windows burning? :) |
| 00:42 | chris | we are jsut chatting with steve from lyrasis.org |
| 00:42 | gmcharlt | ah, _that_ steve |
| 00:42 | howdy | |
| 00:42 | steve | hey ho. the very same. |
| 00:43 | gmcharlt | were you the one asking about consortia earlier? |
| 00:43 | brendan | ah steve -- you missed the IRC meeting too bad |
| 00:43 | chris | ahh yeah good summary on the wiki tho |
| 00:43 | and links to the transcript | |
| 00:44 | gmcharlt | pianohacker++ |
| 00:44 | steve | i can't tell time. |
| 00:44 | brendan | anyone got the meeting notes link handy |
| 00:44 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09sep02 |
| 00:44 | steve | i'll try again next time! LOL! |
| 00:44 | yes. that was me. | |
| 00:44 | gmcharlt | bright and early at 6:00 a.m. EDT |
| 00:44 | brendan | yeah -- too bad for me -- 3am next time :( |
| 00:45 | chris | 10pm for me |
| 00:45 | i win | |
| 00:45 | :) | |
| 00:45 | steve | one of the comments I had heard abou the diff between EG and Koha was that EG was better equipped for ILL which from my subsequent reading and demo at MassCat.org doesn't seem to be true. |
| 00:45 | * chris | doesnt know |
| 00:45 | brendan | chris -- I always win the @wunder |
| 00:46 | depends -- what parts of ILL your interested in | |
| 00:47 | chris | gmcharlt: im working on testing the labels .. its very slick stuff, works really well, some noisy warnings so sent a patch for those but otherwise its awesome |
| 00:47 | gmcharlt | chris: cool |
| 00:47 | chris | merged it with a copy of master .. no conflicts |
| 00:47 | steve | honestly, I am still trying to figure that out. sometimes people make offhand comments that a n00b like me takes as "informed" only to discover in my further research, was merely... offhand. you know? |
| 00:47 | chris | one issue is it throws an internal server error if you are logged in as kohaadmin and dont have a branch set |
| 00:48 | thats the only thing ive found | |
| 00:49 | the interface is awesome tho | |
| 00:49 | brendan | steve -- I agree -- there a lot of "off-hand" comments about ILL |
| 00:49 | chris | chris_n2++ # just for good measure |
| 00:49 | brendan | which internal server errors are you getting chris -- |
| 00:49 | gmcharlt | steve: yeah - there's ILL within a consortia sharing a single DB - both Koha and EG can hading it via doing circulation tranasctions inside the database |
| 00:50 | brendan | I didn't get too many on mine |
| 00:50 | gmcharlt | cross-ILS ILL, which *nobody* does all that well |
| 00:50 | interfacing with ILL brokers like OCLC | |
| 00:50 | just to toss off three different models | |
| 00:50 | brendan | yup -- that's the key gmcharlt |
| 00:51 | chris | brendan: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'branch_code' cannot be null at |
| 00:51 | /home/chrisc/git/koha/C4/Labels/Batch.pm line 66 | |
| 00:51 | ricardo_away is now known as ricardo | |
| 00:51 | chris | easy fix tho, just detect the person doesnt have a branch set, and tell them to set it |
| 00:51 | ricardo | (Back... for a while) |
| 00:51 | chris | i might send a patch for that too |
| 00:51 | brendan | yup -- i didn't run into to that -- tested as non-kohadmin |
| 00:53 | chris | yeah generally you should never run as kohaadmin so its not really a biggy |
| 00:53 | but doesnt hurt to trap it anyway | |
| 00:53 | brendan | ha |
| 00:56 | chris | ricardo: as soon as the feature freeze happens, ill make po files for the 3.2 release (based on the 3.0 ones) so you can start on translating |
| 00:58 | ricardo | chris: Hmm... Thanks for the info. Marta Grachat (the student selected for the SAPO Sumerbits projects) is doing the translations based in the 3.0.x version... |
| 00:58 | chris | yep, that will be good for 3.0.x |
| 00:58 | ricardo | chris: For now, she's working "standalone". Then, she'll submit it to the SAPO Subversion repository and I intend to pull it to Koha's git repository |
| 00:58 | chris | if you send it through me |
| 00:59 | ill put thru translate.koha.org and into git | |
| 00:59 | otherwise it will get overwritten when i push up from translate.koha.org | |
| 01:00 | ricardo | chris: That was fine by me.... But this may take a while to complete. At least, until the 15th of this month. |
| 01:00 | chris | no problem |
| 01:00 | ill wait until then | |
| 01:00 | and base the 3.2.x .po file off it | |
| 01:00 | ricardo | chris: Great. Thanks! :) |
| 01:01 | I'm also on holidays, BTW. Can't you notice? ;-) | |
| 01:01 | chris | gmcharlt: the way i sent the patches for the labels warnings .. is that the correct way? |
| 01:01 | ricardo: hehe :) | |
| 01:01 | gmcharlt | chris: works for me |
| 01:02 | chris | cool |
| 01:02 | ricardo | chris: I'll be oficially back to work on Tuesday. |
| 01:03 | chris | enjoy the rest of your vacation :) |
| 01:03 | ricardo | chris: I'll try, thanks :) |
| 01:04 | I'm feeling "So much to do, and so little time" :-S | |
| 01:06 | steve | woah. I heard that! |
| 01:07 | Sharon joined #koha | |
| 01:07 | chris | working late Sharon ? |
| 01:07 | Sharon | Thinking about it. |
| 01:12 | ricardo | steve: Do you mean that you heard my sigh? ;-) |
| 01:13 | steve | I did, Ricardo. a universal sigh of overwelmedness (word?) |
| 01:14 | ricardo | steve: Gee... And here I was thinking that I was the only human being in the Planet feeling this way, eheh... |
| 01:14 | steve | well only human maybe... but not the only sentient with...oh ooops... TMI? |
| 01:15 | ricardo | eheh |
| 01:18 | * chris_n2 | reads the buffer while his wife blends up orange smoothies with home made yogurt |
| 01:18 | ricardo | gmcharlt: BTW, I don't know what Book you read about Time Management... but I want to buy it! |
| 01:18 | chris_n2 | ahh |
| 01:18 | chris: I did not think to test w/kohaadmin | |
| 01:18 | chris | chris_n2: really good stuff, i sent a couple of little patches |
| 01:19 | gmcharlt | ricardo: not sure you'd want that - you'd end up with no hair :) |
| 01:19 | ricardo | gmcharlt: LOL! |
| 01:19 | chris | but on the whole it works awesomely |
| 01:19 | chris_n2 | tnx |
| 01:19 | chris | and merged into master without issue |
| 01:19 | chris_n2 | I tried to catch all of the warnings, but apparently missed some |
| 01:19 | ricardo | gmcharlt: So, the trick for effective Time Management is... ripping out your hair? ;-) |
| 01:20 | gmcharlt | it's one approach :) |
| 01:20 | steve | ROFL! |
| 01:20 | ricardo | eheh |
| 01:22 | * brendan | had to look up ROFL |
| 01:22 | chris | steve: Sharon works for a consortia, NEKLS |
| 01:22 | * chris | facilitates |
| 01:22 | Sharon | we prefer 'shared catalog' |
| 01:22 | steve | ok? |
| 01:23 | chris | i prefer 'king of the world' people don't often call me it though |
| 01:23 | Sharon | the director has odd reasons, but whatever...he's boss |
| 01:23 | steve | I don't really know the diff |
| 01:23 | not yet.... | |
| 01:24 | am having much to learn. | |
| 01:24 | Sharon | there isn't, that's the joke... |
| 01:24 | steve | ok |
| 01:24 | Sharon | we are 30 independent libraries who share materials and a patron database |
| 01:24 | chris_n2 | chris: I started to add a "Print a label" button to additem.pl?op=edititem, but did not have time to pursue it atm |
| 01:24 | chris | ohh that would be trick chris_n2 |
| 01:25 | phase 2 :) | |
| 01:25 | chris_n2 | :-S |
| 01:25 | ricardo | Sharon: Do you use the same "Item Types" for all the libraries? |
| 01:25 | steve | so I thought the major 'shared cat' diff between koha and eg was distributed databases (eg) and a centralized one (koha)? is this not so? |
| 01:25 | Sharon | Yes, same set of item types, collection codes and shelving locations, with unique fine and circ rules |
| 01:25 | chris_n2 | chris: how about the jpeg on labels-home.pl? |
| 01:26 | chris | love it |
| 01:26 | ricardo | Sharon: Interesting. Many thanks for the information |
| 01:26 | chris_n2 | that probably took more time then any of the code... ;-) |
| 01:26 | chris | heeh |
| 01:26 | Sharon | no worries. |
| 01:27 | brendan | good night |
| 01:27 | chris_n2 | g'night brendan |
| 01:27 | chris | night brendan |
| 01:28 | gmcharlt | brendan: g'night |
| 01:29 | chris_n2 | chris gmcharlt: had a bit of a hard time deciding how to handle migration of existing batches with the branch assignment |
| 01:29 | so I just took the top branch off of the branch table | |
| 01:30 | however, if there is a better idea, I'm for doing it | |
| 01:30 | it will never be an issue after migration | |
| 01:30 | steve | do you guys need instructions for koha on ubantu 8.10? that's what I use for the most part. |
| 01:30 | gmcharlt | home library of the staff user who created the batch? |
| 01:30 | chris_n2 | with existing batches you cannot tell who created it |
| 01:31 | * chris_n2 | speaks of the current labels code batches |
| 01:31 | chris | steve: we have some ubuntu docs .. on the wiki and in git .. but fixing/editing is always welcome |
| 01:31 | gmcharlt | steve: there's an Ubuntu install guide at wiki.koha.org - if you'd want to look it over and improve it, that would be created |
| 01:31 | chris_n2: well, that idea just went down in flames ;) | |
| 01:31 | chris_n2 | lol |
| 01:32 | gmcharlt | chris_n2: I think it'd OK |
| 01:32 | steve | nod. i am reading it now. |
| 01:32 | chris | the current labels dont tie them to a branch eh? |
| 01:32 | * gmcharlt | wonders how long people really keep label batches around, anyway |
| 01:32 | chris_n2 | no |
| 01:32 | chris | if not, then yeah the first branch seems fine |
| 01:32 | * chris_n2 | too |
| 01:32 | chris_n2 | I added a note to the installer script which shows up after a successful upgrade |
| 01:33 | atz | you can print a branch name on the label if you want though. |
| 01:33 | chris | noticed that chris_n2 |
| 01:33 | chris_n2 | hi joe |
| 01:34 | the new code only displays batches relevant to the currently logged in branch | |
| 01:34 | * chris_n2 | wonders if atz has made any trips to NC lately ;-) |
| 01:34 | atz | so you can't make a batch with labels from multiple branches? |
| 01:35 | chris_n2: not since last year | |
| 01:35 | was down in GA last week though | |
| 01:35 | chris_n2 | would one want a batch w/labels from multiple branches? |
| 01:35 | I did think of adding an option to view all batches from all branches | |
| 01:35 | chris | phase 3 |
| 01:35 | :) | |
| 01:36 | chris_n2 | hehe |
| 01:36 | phase n! | |
| 01:36 | chris | there is no finishing with koha, there is just the next phase |
| 01:37 | ricardo | atz: GA = General Availability? |
| 01:37 | atz | State of Georgia |
| 01:37 | chris | the one in the us, not europe :) |
| 01:38 | atz | chris_n2: you would if you were a central cataloging department |
| 01:38 | ricardo | atz / chris: Eheh, OK. Thanks for the info |
| 01:38 | atz | i.e., receiving orders/items for all branches |
| 01:38 | chris_n2 | atz: it should be trivial to add that sort of functionality |
| 01:39 | * steve | considers making a comment about GA != Gen Avail and then remembers it's a public channel. *veg* |
| 01:42 | chris_n2 | atz: I thought about you the other day while making chipotle's |
| 01:42 | chris | whats ga famous for, cusisine wise? |
| 01:43 | chris_n2 | jalapenos came off like crazy this year |
| 01:43 | Georga Peaches | |
| 01:43 | Georgia even | |
| 01:45 | chris | gmcharlt: http://yimmyayo.tumblr.com/post/176685097 |
| 01:46 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 01:46 | I've seen that before, but still spooky | |
| 01:49 | Sharon left #koha | |
| 01:51 | chris_n2 | chris: what scenario caused Profile::_convpoints to throw warnings? |
| 01:52 | chris | Profile::_convpoints? |
| 01:52 | chris_n2 | sorry, _conv_points |
| 01:53 | chris | i think it was another thing caused by kohaadmin |
| 01:53 | chris_n2 | in your first patch |
| 01:53 | k | |
| 01:53 | chris | 2 secs lemme find the error |
| 01:53 | warn i should say | |
| 01:53 | Wed Sep 2 23:48:38 2009] label-create-csv.pl: Use of uninitialized value in multiplication (*) at /home/chrisc/git/koha/C4/Labels/Profile.pm line 50. | |
| 01:53 | chris_n2 | ok, that may indicate another issue |
| 01:54 | chris | label-item-search threw one the first time you went to the page, (with no op set) |
| 01:55 | chris_n2 | *nod* |
| 01:57 | when the label-create-csv.pl warn occurred, did you have a profile associated with a template? | |
| 01:57 | chris | good question |
| 01:57 | maybe not | |
| 01:57 | chris_n2 | there are no sample profiles |
| 01:57 | chris | it all still worked |
| 01:57 | barring the warns | |
| 01:57 | chris_n2 | right |
| 01:59 | the perfectionist in me is just emerging a bit here as I try to find what is really going on there :-) | |
| 01:59 | chris | yeah thats it, no profile |
| 02:02 | * chris_n2 | finds a nasty |
| 02:05 | ricardo | Way past my bed time people (3H03 AM). Time to go to sleep. Take care everyone! :) |
| 02:06 | ricardo left #koha | |
| 02:08 | chris_n2 | chris: thanks for testing |
| 02:08 | chris | np |
| 02:25 | chris_n2 | wow, poison honey in NZ land |
| 02:25 | http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/tu[…]s%20statement.pdf | |
| 02:26 | chris | yeah, that dude was a moron |
| 02:27 | chris_n2 | that site used to have some very useful things on it, I'm sorry to hear the guy was a bad apple |
| 02:27 | * chris_n2 | keeps bees |
| 02:28 | chris_n2 | but not around flowers with toxic nectar |
| 02:28 | chris | just careless i think |
| 02:29 | lamiette | man I hope our bees aren't around anything with toxic nectar |
| 02:29 | steve | i can trust my little honey bear jar though, right? *sniffle* |
| 02:29 | chris_n2 | lamiette: I think flowers with such nectar are actually few |
| 02:30 | lamiette | phew |
| 02:30 | apparently ours swarmed the other day, someone said it was kind of early in the season so they must have had an abundance of food and freaked out or something | |
| 02:30 | * chris_n2 | tells steve it will be ok |
| 02:30 | steve | :) |
| 02:30 | chris_n2 | lamiette: where are you located? |
| 02:31 | chris | about 12 feet below me, and to the right |
| 02:31 | * chris_n2 | is in eastern North Carolina, USA |
| 02:31 | steve | ok...i'm off to bed. nice meeting you all |
| 02:31 | chris_n2 | g'night steve |
| 02:31 | lamiette | Wellington, NZ, same building as chris, but the bees are in Nelson |
| 02:31 | chris_n2 | lol |
| 02:31 | steve left #koha | |
| 02:31 | chris_n2 | I guess it is early in the season there |
| 02:32 | lamiette | yeah, apparently they'll usually swarm in october |
| 02:32 | chris_n2 | ours like to swarm about the end of April or first part of May |
| 02:32 | I lost 5 of my 10 hives this past winter :-( | |
| 02:33 | lamiette | :( |
| 03:01 | chris_n2 | chris: any idea why, after 'rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r' I would still show bibs w/o items when I just did a bulk import? (I just dropped the db and re-created) |
| 03:01 | chris | hmmm zebra does weird stuff |
| 03:02 | chris_n2 | I've done it 100xs + over the last few days and now it decides to quit :-P |
| 03:04 | gmcharlt | chris_n2: does tacking on -v show anything? |
| 03:04 | chris_n2 | gmcharlt: that's the funny thing, -v says everything runs fine |
| 03:05 | zebra-daemon logs are empty | |
| 03:08 | Amit joined #koha | |
| 03:08 | Amit | hi chirs, brendan |
| 03:09 | hi chris | |
| 03:09 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:09 | chris_n2 | hi Amit |
| 03:10 | * chris_n2 | pokes his zebra w/a stick |
| 03:12 | Amit | hi chris_n2 |
| 03:25 | chris_n2 | doh... |
| 03:25 | the little matter about no branch code to match the imported records and the silent fail | |
| 03:25 | * chris_n2 | looks for his bug spray |
| 03:31 | Amit left #koha | |
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| 03:31 | Amit_G | hi chris |
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| 03:39 | Amit_G | hi indradg |
| 03:39 | indradg | Amit_G, morning |
| 03:50 | chris_n2 | g'night |
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| 07:36 | |Lupin| | hello there |
| 07:37 | hdl_laptop | hi |Lupin| |
| 07:38 | |Lupin| | hey hdl_laptop |
| 07:57 | chris: around ? | |
| 08:01 | Amit | hi |
| 08:01 | lupin | |
| 08:03 | |Lupin| | hi Amit |
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| 08:21 | |Lupin| | pls |
| 08:21 | queston regarding Koha command-line tools | |
| 08:21 | Does it matter in which directory one is when calling them ? | |
| 08:29 | hdl_laptop | only for translations |
| 08:34 | Amit | hi hdl |
| 08:34 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: ok, thanks |
| 08:35 | hdl_laptop: and is there some convention about the way the syntax of programs should be displayed ? e.g. some of them include the program name, some do not... is there a prefered way ? | |
| 08:36 | hdl_laptop | I think the user prefer the name of the program displayed |
| 08:37 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: k. Once or in front of each option ? |
| 08:37 | hdl_laptop | once |
| 08:37 | as a header | |
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| 08:53 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: ok, thanks |
| 08:55 | chris | evening |
| 08:56 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 08:57 | |Lupin| | hi chris |
| 08:57 | just on phone | |
| 08:58 | chris | i wonder if that guy is gonna keep sending the same message about his installer continuously |
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| 09:17 | bigbrovar | . |
| 09:25 | |Lupin| | chris: till there ? |
| 09:26 | chris | yep |
| 09:26 | for a little bit longer | |
| 09:26 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, great ! |
| 09:27 | chris: yesterday there was a discussionn bout adding columns to the biblio table to keep track of who created a record and who lats modified it. | |
| 09:27 | chris: I'm wondering what you ae thinking about that | |
| 09:27 | (others who have an opinion may say it too, of course!) | |
| 09:28 | chris | hmmm |
| 09:28 | i thought that was what the logs were for? | |
| 09:28 | dont we track that with the logs already? | |
| 09:29 | |Lupin| | ah ! I didn't think about that ! |
| 09:29 | chris: but then this info can't be included in the MARC records, can it ? | |
| 09:29 | chris | it could be |
| 09:30 | the marc is stored the marcxml column | |
| 09:31 | |Lupin| | chris: but how would you do to add it then ? |
| 09:31 | chris | it would need some code to add it |
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| 09:32 | chris | but probably less code than add a new column and writing all the code to populate it, and then the code to add that column to the marc |
| 09:32 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah. |
| 09:32 | chris: I'm willing to implement that, but I'd appreciate to have some guidelines, things to think about, or so... | |
| 09:33 | chris: do you think you could help with that ? | |
| 09:33 | chris | yep, .. but first i want to know what you plan to use it for? |
| 09:33 | show it in the detail .. or just when you export the marc? | |
| 09:34 | |Lupin| | chris: show it in the detail |
| 09:34 | chris | so it needs to update the marc everytime you change it? |
| 09:34 | |Lupin| | chris: we will have non-librarian doing cataloguing |
| 09:34 | chris | in that case i would just change the code that updates it to add it to the marc |
| 09:34 | |Lupin| | chris: so we would like to make it possible for our librarian to track all the modifications done by others and check them |
| 09:35 | chris | right, that is what the log is for |
| 09:35 | putting it int he marc record helps how? | |
| 09:35 | |Lupin| | chris: ok... but ould such a modificaiton be local, or can it be done in a way that makes it usable by other interested persons ? |
| 09:35 | chris | since you can only show the last update |
| 09:36 | i would rather you linked to the log from the detail page, or showed the log for that record on the detail page | |
| 09:36 | |Lupin| | chris: Actually I don't know whether it really has to be in the marc record or not... at least it has to be accessible somehow to the librarian |
| 09:36 | chris | so you are on the detail page of a record, with a link show changes |
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| 09:37 | chris | and you click on that link and you get shown the log of changes for that record |
| 09:37 | would that work? | |
| 09:37 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 09:37 | |Lupin| | hi gmcharlt |
| 09:37 | Amit | hi galen |
| 09:37 | |Lupin| | chris: I'm not sure actually |
| 09:37 | chris | or it could be another tab |
| 09:38 | hi gmcharlt | |
| 09:38 | |Lupin| | chris: with things done that way, would it be possible to search for records created by someone else or which have been modified by someone else ? |
| 09:38 | chris | yes |
| 09:38 | you can search the log | |
| 09:38 | and filter by a person | |
| 09:38 | or action | |
| 09:38 | |Lupin| | chris: ok but it's not like searching in the catalog... is i ? |
| 09:39 | chris | so i can go to tools |
| 09:39 | yes but storing it in the marc, you cant track all changes | |
| 09:39 | only the latest | |
| 09:39 | |Lupin| | chris: indeed |
| 09:39 | chris | go to tools, choose log viewer |
| 09:39 | and then i can search for all records added by a person | |
| 09:39 | they are all links | |
| 09:39 | |Lupin| | chris: so what I conclude from this discussion is that we may not need to do anything, actually ? |
| 09:40 | chris | yeah, i think with a little bit of training in using the log viewer |
| 09:40 | |Lupin| | chris: can you also earch for records added for everybody except a person ? |
| 09:41 | chris | not sure, |
| 09:41 | would be easy to add if not | |
| 09:42 | |Lupin| | chris: ok... do you think I can figure out ? if not, would ou accept to send me guidelines by mail ? |
| 09:43 | chris | i think you can figure it out |
| 09:43 | have a bit of play wth the logviewer | |
| 09:43 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, I'll see and bug someone if I can't |
| 09:43 | chris | (make sure you turn on logging in system preferences) |
| 09:44 | |Lupin| | chris: ah, yes. |
| 09:44 | chris: do the log also keep track of who initially added a record ? | |
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| 09:50 | chris | yes |
| 09:50 | |Lupin| | that's really great |
| 09:50 | thanks chris for this enlightening discussion | |
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| 10:38 | gmcharlt | @later tell chris_n2 re use of syslog in the labels branch, I'm concerned about scattering logging; OK if we convert them to warns for now? |
| 10:38 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:40 | chris | night all |
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| 11:37 | |Lupin| | till soon folks |
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| 11:41 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 11:42 | gmcharlt: so is there any code in place to log to koha-error_log? | |
| 11:42 | gmcharlt | chris_n: sure |
| 11:42 | warn $foo # :) | |
| 11:42 | chris_n | hrmm |
| 11:42 | on my install that goes to apache2/error.log | |
| 11:42 | gmcharlt | anything printed to STDERR ends on in koha-*error_log |
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| 11:42 | gmcharlt | which are Apache error logs |
| 11:43 | chris_n | must be something screwed up on my install |
| 11:43 | gmcharlt | the default VirtualHost configuration specifies separate error logs for staff and OPAC |
| 11:43 | * chris_n | never sees entries in koha-error_log |
| 11:43 | gmcharlt | etc/koha-http.conf |
| 11:45 | chris_n | gmcharlt: I see those entries, but see my warns going to apache2/error.log |
| 11:46 | not sure what's wrong, but do what ever is best with the syslog stuff | |
| 11:48 | gmcharlt | chris_n: it's a permissions issue with the koha-error_log |
| 11:48 | if Apache can't write to it, it defaults to its global error log | |
| 11:49 | chris_n | ahh |
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| 11:51 | chris_n | many of those error messages need to be logged even if $debug is not set |
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| 11:52 | chris_n | permissions on koha-error_log are koha:koha |
| 11:52 | would this prevent apache from writing to it? | |
| 11:53 | gmcharlt | if Apache is running as www-data:www-data, then yes |
| 11:53 | hdl_laptop | hi gmcharlt |
| 11:53 | gmcharlt | hi hdl_laptop |
| 11:53 | chris_n | hi hdl_laptop |
| 11:54 | gmcharlt | chris_n: you don't have to wrap every warn with '$debug and' if you believe that the warning should be logged |
| 11:54 | hdl_laptop | hi chris_n |
| 11:54 | chris_n | k |
| 11:55 | gmcharlt: I really don't have a problem with switching to warns; I was just concerned with getting some through and still complying with the desire to avoid fill the error log | |
| 11:56 | gmcharlt | I think the basic question is if you log it |
| 11:56 | can the administrator do anything useful about the warning condition | |
| 11:56 | if not, it's not necessarily worth logging | |
| 11:57 | and if it's serious, it might need to be presented to the user in some fashion if the user can do anything about it | |
| 11:59 | chris_n | would you like for me to make the changes? |
| 11:59 | gmcharlt | chris_n: please |
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| 12:03 | chris_n | k, it will most likely be early next week |
| 12:05 | gmcharlt: so should permissions on the koha log files be www-data:www-data or some other combo | |
| 12:05 | gmcharlt | chris_n: you could cheat and chmod a+w |
| 12:05 | but it depends on whatever the httpd process is running as | |
| 12:06 | usually www-data on Debian | |
| 12:06 | chris_n | tnx :-) |
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| 12:12 | gmcharlt | chris_n++ # the labels rework looks really, really good |
| 12:12 | chris_n | tnx |
| 12:18 | gmcharlt: btw, I talked w/chris and submitted an improved patch for the warns he found which should be applied rather than the one he submitted | |
| 12:19 | gmcharlt | chris_n: is it "Fixing some warnings, no functionality changes" that's superceded? |
| 12:20 | chris_n | correct |
| 12:21 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 12:21 | chris_n: regarding future directions, what are your thoughts about getting patron card support back in and atz's comments about multi-branch batches? | |
| 12:22 | chris_n | I plan to look at the multi-branch issue before the alpha hopefully |
| 12:23 | I hope to have patron card support back in by end of the year | |
| 12:24 | My work is basically being driven by a ~Jan 6, 2010 "go live" date for our library | |
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| 12:26 | chris_n | then there is the memcache improvements chris and I have been discussing |
| 12:26 | they will most likely be much later | |
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| 13:04 | |Lupin| | hi again, everybody |
| 13:05 | hedgesst | hello |
| 13:06 | owen | Hi hedgesst. What brings you to #koha? |
| 13:06 | hdl_laptop | hi hedgesst |
| 13:06 | |Lupin| | hi hedgesst |
| 13:06 | hedgesst | hi hdl! |
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| 13:06 | hedgesst | #koha is like a magnet, it keeps pulling me back. :-) |
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| 13:15 | gmcharlt | hi hedgesst |
| 13:16 | hedgesst | hi gmc |
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| 13:26 | * owen | wishes the koha lists would reject multi-part/html messages |
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| 13:30 | owen | Are there instructions out there for how to test the new branches like the labels one? |
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| 13:31 | jdavidb | Howdy, schuster! :) |
| 13:31 | schuster | Howdy! |
| 13:31 | Owen around? | |
| 13:31 | owen | Yup |
| 13:31 | schuster | I have a custom template problem with Content Cafe... |
| 13:32 | owen | Lay it on me. |
| 13:32 | schuster | Our original pisd templates evidently are different now than the prod ones and CC is no longer showing with our pisd templates. |
| 13:33 | When I turn on the prod - templates we see the jackets but then the template - el/hs/ms at the top they lose their tabs and run down the screen. but we get book jackets back. | |
| 13:33 | Give me your phone number if you want and I will call you - I can switch the templates back and forth if we need to so you can see it. | |
| 13:34 | Or you can go to catalog.pisd.edu - and see the no jacket and let me know and I can switch it to prod and you can refresh and see it with the strange template. | |
| 13:35 | gmcharlt | owen: it boils down to the following |
| 13:35 | assuming that you have one database that you test with | |
| 13:35 | owen | Assumption correct. |
| 13:35 | gmcharlt | make a backup of it with mysqldump |
| 13:36 | then in the local repo (this also assumes you're running off of a dev-mode install) | |
| 13:36 | run | |
| 13:36 | git branch --track origin/labels_recon labels_recon # or biblibre-integration | |
| 13:36 | git checkout labels_recon | |
| 13:36 | this create a tracking branch from the remote | |
| 13:37 | then run through the database update (in the case of labels_recon) or run the atomic update scripts (in case of biblibre-integration) | |
| 13:37 | and test away | |
| 13:37 | to get back to head | |
| 13:37 | restore from the mysqldump you made | |
| 13:37 | and check out one of the branches based on master | |
| 13:39 | schuster | owen and gmcharlt - sorry came into the middle of your discussion. |
| 13:39 | owen | And is there something special I should do if I want to submit a patch for labels_recon or biblibre-integration? |
| 13:40 | No problem schuster, it's every man for himself in here! | |
| 13:40 | gmcharlt | owen: you'd be patch against the integration branch, obiviously |
| 13:40 | the only special thing is when you submit, make sure that the branch name is in [ ] in the subject line | |
| 13:40 | e.g. [biblibre-integration] | |
| 13:40 | schuster: sorry, I may have come in the middle of yours ;) | |
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| 13:41 | owen | when you say "patch against the integration branch" it's not obvious to me :) Does that mean something different when I use the format-patch command? |
| 13:42 | gmcharlt | no, more that your patches would be done while you have the appropriate tracking branch checked out |
| 13:42 | the only thing special for format-patch | |
| 13:42 | owen | Okay, yeah that much is obvious :) |
| 13:42 | gmcharlt | is that you can use the --subject-prefix option to add the prefix I mentioned |
| 13:44 | owen | So "git format-patch origin --subject-prefix [biblibre-integration]" for example? |
| 13:44 | gmcharlt | something like that, yes |
| 13:45 | e.g. ''--subject-prefix '[PATCH] [biblibre-integration]' | |
| 13:47 | owen | Thanks gmcharlt. |
| 13:47 | * owen | will brb |
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| 13:51 | hdl_laptop | @later owen PATCH is not required it is added by mailman and neither do [] |
| 13:51 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: "" is not a valid command. |
| 13:51 | hdl_laptop | owen but --suject-prefix=myword is the correct syntax |
| 13:52 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: actually, I think it's [Koha-patches] that mailman adds |
| 13:52 | [PATCH] is the default if you run git-format-patch with default options | |
| 13:52 | hdl_laptop | you're right |
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| 14:15 | hedgesst | hi Paul! |
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| 14:22 | |Lupin| | hey paul_p |
| 14:23 | paul_p | hi hedgesst, long time no see... |
| 14:23 | hello |Lupin| | |
| 14:23 | pianohacker | Hi, paul, |Lupin|, hedgesst |
| 14:24 | paul_p | 'morning pianohacker jesse |
| 14:24 | pianohacker | How are you, paul? |
| 14:24 | paul_p | i'm in Paris, at DrupalCon. everything is fine. except some light rain... |
| 14:24 | pianohacker | cool |
| 14:25 | hedgesst: I don't think we've met. I'm Jesse Weaver, a Koha programmer | |
| 14:25 | hedgesst | Hi, Jesse |
| 14:25 | saw you in the transcript of yesterday's meeting | |
| 14:25 | paul_p | pianohacker: hedgesst is the famous Stephen Hedges, the one that probably introduced Koha in US by adopting it for Nelsonville Public Library |
| 14:25 | chris_n | hi paul_p, pianohacker, hedgesst & |Lupin| |
| 14:26 | pianohacker | Ahh, very nice |
| 14:26 | Hi, chris_n | |
| 14:26 | owen | My former boss :) |
| 14:26 | paul_p | (and my 1st contract as self-employed person) |
| 14:26 | hedgesst | and owen's neighbor |
| 14:26 | chris_n | hedgesst++ |
| 14:27 | atz | hedgesst++ |
| 14:28 | hedgesst | These days I'm working for the State of Ohio, http://oplin.org |
| 14:28 | not much need for an ILS :-) | |
| 14:30 | but very interested in the whole LibLime/Equinox/Koha/Evergreen weirdness | |
| 14:31 | pianohacker | Everyone is |
| 14:31 | Not much information to work with, though... | |
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| 14:32 | hedgesst | is there some meaning behind "pianohacker"? |
| 14:33 | * chris_n | imagines a frazzled piano player with an ax :-) |
| 14:33 | pianohacker | It's kind of a silly story, but basically I play the piano and program computers |
| 14:33 | hedgesst | ah, ok |
| 14:33 | pianohacker | chris_n: Some days, after practicing and still not getting a particular phrase, that image feels quite accurate |
| 14:34 | hedgesst | I do a half-assed job of both. Well. maybe quarter-assed. |
| 14:35 | pianohacker | Better than nothing. Now that you've admitted to being a programmer, though, Galen can bug you for patches |
| 14:35 | hedgesst | someone would need to patch my patches |
| 14:35 | * jdavidb | pictures pianohacker deciding that his piano doesn't work right, and editing the interface and output modules. |
| 14:36 | pianohacker | jdavidb: Hehe. Would probably work better on the old electric piano than our current ancient upright |
| 14:36 | Besides, it's rarely the _piano_ that's the problem | |
| 14:36 | hedgesst | user error |
| 14:36 | jdavidb | PEBKAC? |
| 14:37 | pianohacker | jdavidb: exactly |
| 14:37 | Different kind of keyboard, but still | |
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| 14:43 | atz | problem exists between operator's-level-of-skill and level-of-skill-required |
| 14:44 | it's amazing how hard it is to play anything once you've stopped practicing.... | |
| 14:45 | pianohacker | It's hard to play stuff when you are practicing; piano is a very demanding instrument |
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| 14:50 | pianohacker | Hi Liz, Greg |
| 14:52 | rhcl | Jesse! |
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| 14:52 | pianohacker | rhcl! |
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| 15:12 | |Lupin| | brb |
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| 15:16 | wizzyrea | hi and bye everybody |
| 15:19 | pianohacker | Hi |
| 15:19 | schuster | hi and bye I had a question for you! wizzyrea... |
| 15:20 | pianohacker | My thoughts on how mhafen's patch might play out at my library: "Jesse fines are broken again! Why?" "Umm, some dude changed them, and we didn't want-" "Well change them back!" |
| 15:20 | schuster | speaking of changeing back... I don't know how to address this and it might be a LL strangeness but need to ask someone. |
| 15:21 | pianohacker | as the topic says, ask a way |
| 15:21 | schuster | opac-detail.tmpl - on our release from June the items were sorted in alpha order. we did a recent update and they are now again random. |
| 15:22 | I see that at Nekls too. | |
| 15:22 | pianohacker | schuster: Do you have an OPAC link? (also, which column were they sorted by?) |
| 15:22 | schuster | http://116.catalog.pisd.edu/cg[…]?biblionumber=474 |
| 15:23 | This is the "old" template sorted alpha | |
| 15:24 | Here is a link from NEKLS sorted? http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]blionumber=166778 | |
| 15:25 | pianohacker | Sorted alphabetically by Holding Library? |
| 15:26 | schuster | Yes |
| 15:26 | Yes holding library sorry. | |
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| 15:28 | pianohacker | Hmm. There's an option to sort by Location, but it's not selected by default |
| 15:29 | schuster | I also see the new template displays item type as maybe the default - I don't see a syspref though for it??? |
| 15:30 | pianohacker | schuster: Do you know the dates of the two updates (The one that broke it, and the one before that didn't) |
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| 15:33 | schuster | looking - sorry I only know when they showed up on my server. The new one came to me 8/21/09 when we updated and lost the default location order. |
| 15:33 | The other template I had since June possibly earlier since I have some custom templates maybe April. | |
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| 15:35 | |Lupin| | back ! |
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| 15:44 | schuster | On the "new" template is there a way to "tweak" it to default it to location rather than type? |
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| 15:46 | atz | templates don't do ordering |
| 15:46 | the script does | |
| 15:49 | schuster | So why when I change the template does it change? Different script being called by the 2 templates? |
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| 16:14 | |Lupin| | anyone from BibLibre still around ? |
| 16:14 | or fredericd ? | |
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| 16:14 | |Lupin| | ah hi paul_p :) |
| 16:14 | Was just looking for someone from BibLibr... | |
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| 16:17 | |Lupin| | paul_p: queston about bulkmarcimport |
| 16:18 | paul_p: if the imported records have no 100$a field perl emits a warning that is meaningles to the user about an uninitialized value in length | |
| 16:19 | paul_p: I can fix this so that the warning is not printed even if 100$a is not there, but I'm wondering whether this is what one wants to do | |
| 16:19 | paul_p: perhaps it would be better to detect that the field is not there and inform the user in a meaningful way ? | |
| 16:21 | paul_p | |Lupin|: I thought Koha automatically added a default 100$a field and only that. |
| 16:21 | maybe the warning is a "use warning" one, and is not really a problem | |
| 16:22 | |Lupin| | paul_p: yeah koha does add a default field |
| 16:22 | paul_p: and you are right that the warning is not a problem per se | |
| 16:22 | paul_p: it's just that it may hide other problems so I think it'd be nice to avoid these warnings | |
| 16:23 | paul_p: I just wanted to know if it is okay not to tell anything to the user and just add the default field... | |
| 16:27 | paul_p | |Lupin|: the problem is probably due to the fact that we try to add "use warning" everywhere in the Koha code, and this pragma rises some errors that can be fixed by strengthening the code. Maybe this one has not be improved enough |
| 16:28 | (and if the use warnings has been added by a US guy, he's MARC21, so won't have this 100$a UNimarc specific warning. | |
| 16:28 | file a bug on bugs.koha.org please, we will have a look at it | |
| 16:32 | |Lupin| | paul_p: I was trying to explain that I_am_ having a lookto it |
| 16:33 | paul_p: I'll propose a patch, just wanted to be sure it is okay to not tell the user his MARC records miss 100$a and silently add one. | |
| 16:34 | paul_p | ah, ok, sorry. I've read too fast. Yes, fix it pls. The way it should work is : "add a 100$a if none provided". And if we want to throw a warning, that would not be a Perl one anyway, but a one that the user could understand easier ! |
| 16:37 | |Lupin| | paul_p: that was precisely my question... Should we throw one, or not ? |
| 16:37 | paul_p | |Lupin|: nope, no throwing. |
| 16:38 | I must leave NOW or i'll miss my train ;-) | |
| 16:38 | bye. | |
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| 16:38 | |Lupin| | paul_p: I think at the moment I'll just remove the meaninglessperl warning. If someone complains one day one may add more verifications and warnings, perhaps triggered by a special flag on the command-line. |
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| 17:40 | |Lupin| | pls |
| 17:40 | when some changes have been commited | |
| 17:41 | is it stil possible to fix something in that commit ? | |
| 17:41 | (a blank line was added in the code by accident...) | |
| 17:41 | pianohacker | Yes. Just run git reset HEAD^ |
| 17:41 | It'll remove the commit, but not your changes | |
| 17:41 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ah yes, thanks |
| 17:42 | I assume I'd better keep a cop of the commit log somewhere... | |
| 17:42 | pianohacker | Oh, nevermind |
| 17:42 | Just change what you need to | |
| 17:42 | Then run git commit --amend | |
| 17:45 | |Lupin| | hmm actually the commit was correct |
| 17:45 | there was a ; displayed on its own line | |
| 17:45 | and in braile ; and + are similar | |
| 17:45 | so I thought I added a blank line... | |
| 17:45 | pianohacker | Ah |
| 17:46 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: does the ammend thing also work after the reset ? |
| 17:46 | pianohacker | You would do it instead of the reset. Sorry, my fingers were a few steps ahead of my brain |
| 17:48 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: np !! |
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| 18:04 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: assuming you have a patch in a file, produced by git format-patch. Can you apply it so that it looks just as an ordinary commit ? git apply does not seem to do that... |
| 18:04 | pianohacker | git am |
| 18:05 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ah thanks. am is short for what ? |
| 18:06 | pianohacker | apply mailbox. The patches are technically mail files |
| 18:06 | If you have a traditional unix mbox file, you can apply many received patches at once | |
| 18:06 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ok, understood, thanks |
| 18:07 | owen | But why would git apply not have worked? |
| 18:07 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: also, when I applied my patch it warned me about a line that added trailing whitespace errors. That's interesting ! Is it possible to have such warnings when you are doing local commits or at some points to check your patches ? |
| 18:08 | owen: it worked, but it just modified the files, not the patch tree | |
| 18:08 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: You wanted to test the commit, right? |
| 18:08 | owen | Oh, okay. |
| 18:08 | chris | morning |
| 18:08 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: And yes, you can; just run git diff --check |
| 18:09 | Good early mornin' chris | |
| 18:09 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
| 18:09 | |Lupin| | hi chris |
| 18:10 | pianohacker: yep. thanks for the --check ! didn't know this one. | |
| 18:10 | pianohacker | np |
| 18:15 | |Lupin| | ok ! patch sent, finally ! |
| 18:16 | wow, didn't expect to spend so mch time on an apparently simple thing... | |
| 18:17 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: Saw it. Note that it's usually preferred to use git send-email (if you can) |
| 18:19 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ah, ok. I may have read on the wiki that format-patch is the preferred way... |
| 18:19 | pianohacker | You do use format-patch |
| 18:19 | But send-email sends the email for you | |
| 18:20 | |Lupin| | aaaah |
| 18:20 | I misunderstood you, I'm sorry | |
| 18:20 | pianohacker | git's weird, not a problem |
| 18:21 | |Lupin| | what does it change, practically, whether one uses a traditional mail client or send-email ? |
| 18:21 | pianohacker | One advantage is that it copies the contents of the patch into the email, rather than sending them as an attachment |
| 18:21 | Which makes discussing it easier | |
| 18:21 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yeah I have to say I don't find it very intuitive. I was used to darcs and for the moment still prefer it |
| 18:21 | pianohacker | (though you by no means have to resubmit it) |
| 18:22 | The only disadvantage is that if your patch references or changes a line more than about 900 characters long, you can't use git send-email | |
| 18:22 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yep, I understood your comment as applying to future submissions |
| 18:23 | pianohacker: so with mutt I could also insert it in the body of the mail... | |
| 18:23 | pianohacker | (Good, didn't want to make it sound like "GRAH you have offended the git gods") |
| 18:23 | Theoretically. git send-email is usually easier, tho | |
| 18:23 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: no no no problem don't worry |
| 18:24 | pianohacker | :) |
| 18:24 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: are there such long lines somewhere in Koha ? |
| 18:24 | owen | Man, I'm still cleaning the salt out of my cropland after the last time I offended the git gods. |
| 18:24 | chris | let that be a lesson to you |
| 18:24 | pianohacker | In a few isolated places. Usually it's either something related to the ISBD system preference or some wacky JavaScript |
| 18:25 | owen: hehe | |
| 18:25 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ok, noted. :) |
| 18:26 | pianohacker | Your IRC client has leveled up! Your IRC client wants to gain the ability: KICK |
| 18:26 | chris | i wish someone other than me would reply to belmekki and say we need FLOSS |
| 18:26 | pianohacker | I do need floss, to counteract the cavities |
| 18:26 | |Lupin| | chris: I think yesterday during the meetng you said you can tell me something about the translations later... Depending on how long this may take, we cold do it now if that's possibl for you. If it's too long (more than 10 minutes), then I think later would be better since I need to have dinner... |
| 18:27 | chris | ah yes, cant remember what it was about tho |
| 18:28 | can you remind me? | |
| 18:28 | |Lupin| | chris: how to generate them was my question, so I guess you wanted to talk either about which scrpt, or to explain that translations go through the web before returning in the git repository |
| 18:29 | chris | yes |
| 18:29 | if they dont go via translate.koha.org, or via me (who will but thenm through there) | |
| 18:30 | changes will get overwritten when i push up from translate.koha.org next | |
| 18:30 | |Lupin| | chris: k |
| 18:30 | chris | to create the templates for a language is quite easy |
| 18:30 | |Lupin| | chris: I guess my problem was more to learn how to generate the templates for french with what is in the repo |
| 18:30 | chris | cd misc/translator |
| 18:31 | ./install-code.pl fr-FR | |
| 18:31 | |Lupin| | yeah I did that once |
| 18:32 | but surprisingly enough | |
| 18:32 | some messages were not translated | |
| 18:32 | whereas I was pretty sure they were in a previous install from koha, done from the .tar.gz rather than from git | |
| 18:34 | like for instance I have a "Libraries and groups" which I'm pretty sure I saw in french in the past | |
| 18:35 | chris | from 3.0.x or from master? |
| 18:36 | cos master hasnt had much translation work, that will start after the feature freeze | |
| 18:37 | pianohacker | chris: a feature freeze or a string freeze? I was hoping to get in a translation script for sysprefs after the feature freeze |
| 18:37 | chris | well i will start making the .po files based on 3.0.x + master after the freeze |
| 18:38 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: string freeze will be after integration, thus after feature freeze |
| 18:38 | chris | but wont get translators excited until the string freeze |
| 18:38 | |Lupin| | chris: master |
| 18:39 | gmcharlt | there will likely be a period of time where they can get started before string freeeze once all of the features are smooshed into master |
| 18:39 | pianohacker | Okay. I'll try to get in prefs translation ASAP after feature freeze (and would appreciate any help; seems to be a very difficult problem) |
| 18:40 | chris | |Lupin|: yeah that will be why the translations is master have not been worked |
| 18:40 | |Lupin| | so it is "normal" that strings that were translated correctly in 3.0.x are not in master ? |
| 18:41 | chris | yes |
| 18:41 | they will be before the release | |
| 18:41 | |Lupin| | ok |
| 18:41 | if it's normal then t's perfect | |
| 18:41 | chris: and once the release is done, master will break translations again ? | |
| 18:42 | pianohacker | chris: Examples like "Libraries and groups" will probably get fixed when the old .po is merged in, right? |
| 18:42 | |Lupin| | http://pastebin.com/f7265f633 |
| 18:42 | an excerpt from the output of install-code | |
| 18:43 | filtered tith grep -v Copying and grep -v Creating | |
| 18:44 | chris | thats exaclty right |
| 18:44 | |Lupin|: after the release there will be a 3.2.x branch and translations will continure to be right in there | |
| 18:45 | |Lupin| | chris: understood |
| 18:45 | chris | and master will have more development done on it, which will make the translations get out of date |
| 18:45 | if you wanted | |
| 18:45 | you could msgmerge the .po file from 3.0.x with the one in master | |
| 18:46 | then generate the templates | |
| 18:46 | |Lupin| | how about the errors reported concerning the templates in the pastebin thing ? Are they worth fixing ? |
| 18:46 | chris | not in master no |
| 18:46 | translations arent expected to work | |
| 18:46 | |Lupin| | chris: ok |
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| 18:47 | |Lupin| | chris: I fear I'm not comfortable enough with git to try the merge... unless it's a rather simple operation ? |
| 18:47 | chris | no its not git doing the merge |
| 18:47 | but its probably not worth doing anyway | |
| 18:48 | |Lupin| | chris: well but the error reported about the templates looks to me as a "deeper" problem of the template's syntax, not much a translation-related thing |
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| 18:48 | chris | no its because the .po file is way out of date |
| 18:48 | |Lupin| | chris: k, so I won't do it... |
| 18:48 | chris: ok | |
| 18:49 | chris | the only language thta is currently mostly up to date for master |
| 18:49 | is german | |
| 18:49 | |Lupin| | k... I I were listening to me I'd just continue to ask quesitons and do Koha related things, but I'm unfortunate enough to have a human body that needs food, sleep... so till soon everybody |
| 18:49 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/de/ |
| 18:50 | |Lupin| | chris: is that kf's job ? |
| 18:50 | chris | she has been doing lots of it yes :) |
| 18:50 | http://translate.koha.org/fr/ | |
| 18:51 | i have started on french for 3.2 | |
| 18:51 | but only opac so far | |
| 18:51 | pianohacker | See ya Lupin |
| 18:51 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/fr/opac3_1/ |
| 18:51 | you could grab thta .po | |
| 18:52 | |Lupin| | but I thought there would be nothig there before feature freeze ? |
| 18:52 | I'm getting confused... | |
| 18:52 | chris | nothing in master yet |
| 18:52 | |Lupin| | aaaah |
| 18:53 | but on the web there are already things to translate and to download... right ? | |
| 18:53 | chris | im just getting ready, for when the freeze comes, to push all those up into master |
| 18:53 | and ask for the translators to finish them off | |
| 18:53 | * |Lupin| | starts to understand... srry for being so slow |
| 18:53 | chris | no problem |
| 18:54 | |Lupin| | so it's always possible for someone to pick up the .po file from the web and to use it to rebuild the templates... |
| 18:54 | chris | if i have made it yes |
| 18:54 | all the 3.0.x ones are up to date of course and in git | |
| 18:55 | but there are so many template changes n 3.2 it would be unfair to make the translators keep translating, then changing | |
| 18:55 | unless they are happy to do that, like the german translators | |
| 18:56 | most everyone else is waiting til it stablilises then translating it | |
| 18:56 | |Lupin| | :-) |
| 18:56 | ah, germans... :-) | |
| 18:56 | ok chris many thanks for the clarifications | |
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| 18:56 | |Lupin| | really time to go now |
| 18:56 | pianohacker | bye |
| 18:57 | |Lupin| | take care all, and seeyou soon |
| 18:57 | pianohacker | Bye |
| 18:57 | You too | |
| 18:57 | Sorry, broken record | |
| 18:57 | |Lupin| | . |
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| 19:27 | gmcharlt | not sure I see how Bitrock would magically solve the LibXSLT dependency problem |
| 19:28 | chris | yeah |
| 19:28 | owen | Not sure how someone who doesn't know better than to send 5 copies of the same message to a mailing list can be clever enough to design a robust installer |
| 19:28 | chris | hehe |
| 19:28 | i just cant get enthusiastic about a proprietary installer | |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | well, there is this http://installbuilder.bitrock.[…]rce-licenses.html |
| 19:29 | but that makes it only marginally better | |
| 19:29 | owen | I could get mildly enthusiastic about a proprietary installer until such a time that the compiled version fell behind, the original creator didn't update, and it became useless. |
| 19:29 | chris | *nod* |
| 19:30 | its just a license to use tho eh | |
| 19:30 | thats how i read it | |
| 19:30 | ie you get a free copy if you use it for opensource software | |
| 19:31 | gmcharlt | a gratis copy, in particular |
| 19:32 | chris | yep |
| 19:32 | yeah, underwhelmed | |
| 19:32 | i do otoh like hte live-cd + installer a lot | |
| 19:33 | http://www.mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ | |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 19:43 | chris | it even works too |
| 19:48 | must .. stop.. replying to facebook statuses about healthcare .. i keep forgetting the us has the greatest healthcare system in the world | |
| 19:50 | jwagner | We do? |
| 19:50 | chris | apparently so |
| 19:51 | its true because a dr said it | |
| 19:51 | :-) | |
| 19:52 | owen | Was it Dr. Nick? |
| 19:52 | ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Riviera ) | |
| 19:52 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
| 19:52 | chris | im insulted you think i wouldnt know who dr nick was owen :) |
| 19:52 | hi everybody | |
| 19:52 | owen | Well, it's an international channel isn't it? |
| 19:53 | chris | true, i thnk the simpsons transcend it tho |
| 19:53 | the simpsons and baywatch | |
| 19:54 | owen | I hope that when The Simpsons is translated into other languages Dr. Nick is given a heavy American accent. |
| 19:54 | chris | hehe |
| 19:55 | speaking of drs | |
| 19:55 | * chris | decides to stay home and keep his coughing to himself |
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| 19:59 | jwagner | That's considerate of you, Chris. On behalf of your co-workers, I thank you. Both my college age nieces have apparently already had swine flu, and one of them had no better sense than to invite a friend for a sleepover while she was sick. Naturally the friend got sick too..... |
| 20:01 | chris | yeah when you work in a building with aircon, its just mean to take your germs to work |
| 20:03 | jwagner | Now if all supervisors would recognize that, especially if you can work from home. I worked for one boss who practically required a doctor's certificate if I stayed home sick for a day, even if I was capable of logging in and working (just wasn't up to coming in & didn't want to spread the germs). Sigh. |
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| 20:10 | gmcharlt | hitting the road - back online tomorrow |
| 20:11 | chris | cya later gmcharlt |
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| 20:32 | richard | hi |
| 20:32 | pianohacker | Hello, richard |
| 20:32 | richard | hi pianohacker |
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| 21:17 | chris | i give up |
| 21:17 | pianohacker | ? |
| 21:17 | richard | you are going to subscribe to teh economist after all? |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | Noooooo |
| 21:17 | don't give up | |
| 21:17 | oh wait. well, I've given up too. | |
| 21:17 | wait, what? | |
| 21:17 | what are we talking about? | |
| 21:18 | chris | arguing on the interenet |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | OHHH |
| 21:18 | yes. I give up | |
| 21:18 | chris | No, just have provided medical care in other countries, read their medical journals, plus have practiced along side physicians from other countries (Great Britian, Canada, France) and they have told me this. When was the last great medical discovery from Canada, France,or Australia? It is the US that brings the great medical advances to mankind. |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | lol, "don't ask to ask, just ask your questions" |
| 21:18 | chris | to wit i replied |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | oh, you mean like heart valves from stem cells that were developed and in use in england but NOT EVEN APPROVED in the US? |
| 21:19 | chris | @doug im bowing out of the discussion, it's your country, USA number 1 and all that jazz. Ill continue living in my poor underdeveloped country full of people who have never brought any scientific advances to the world (like say splitting the atom) due to our socialistic nature |
| 21:19 | munin | chris: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | backassward. |
| 21:19 | * wizzyrea | knows it's probably not something that should be discussed here |
| 21:20 | chris | hehe yeah |
| 21:20 | richard | cripes i was just reading this - http://www.economist.com/world[…]rce=hptextfeature |
| 21:20 | chris | back to cherry picking i go |
| 21:20 | * chris | is working on http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]oha.git;a=summary |
| 21:20 | chris | helping with backporting bug fixes to 3.0.x |
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