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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:00 | chris | step 2 is finding someone to write the code :) |
| 12:00 | kmkale | humm. Its a absolute must have for all public libraries in Maharashtra, India |
| 12:00 | chris | i can think of a few ways to do it |
| 12:00 | all of them involve a cron job | |
| 12:01 | kmkale | a new db table to track it? |
| 12:01 | or a new fine type woulddo? | |
| 12:01 | chris | new finetype would do |
| 12:02 | Amit | kmkale: Your library charges monthly fees? |
| 12:02 | kmkale | Amit: yes |
| 12:02 | chris | there would have to be a section where you can set up the amount, and when it is charged |
| 12:02 | could be monthly, could be bimonthly, could be yearly etc | |
| 12:03 | Amit | yes chris |
| 12:03 | kmkale | actually it is so chris |
| 12:03 | monthly, bi, quarterly and life | |
| 12:03 | and also annual | |
| 12:03 | chris | yes, but for a feature to go in, it should be customisable |
| 12:03 | so that if some other library charges weekly | |
| 12:03 | it still works for them | |
| 12:04 | kmkale | yes |
| 12:04 | so a frequency type | |
| 12:04 | new finetype = fees | |
| 12:04 | chris | and also you would need to be able to choose what category of patron gets charged it |
| 12:04 | kmkale | new feesfrequency |
| 12:04 | chris | ie dont charge the staff |
| 12:05 | kmkale | yes |
| 12:05 | chris | do you ever charge different rates |
| 12:05 | for different categories | |
| 12:05 | kmkale | yes |
| 12:05 | chris | (all things that should go in the enhancement request) |
| 12:05 | kmkale | students, external patrons, life members all are charged diffrent rates |
| 12:07 | but the staff can feed fees as per member type or it can be picked up from a table linked to patron type | |
| 12:08 | that way all fees get updated when fee structure is changed | |
| 12:08 | chris | yep, just make sure the enhancement request contains as much of these requirements as you can put in |
| 12:09 | kmkale | chris: in your opinion how doable is this? in terms of expertise and man hours? |
| 12:10 | chris | its doable |
| 12:10 | because it is dealing with money | |
| 12:10 | you have to get it right | |
| 12:10 | kmkale | cause the public libraries here are so poor they wont be able to sponser this. so I will try with other interested koha users |
| 12:11 | chris | you dont want to charge people too much |
| 12:11 | or debar them when they have already paid etc | |
| 12:11 | so it would need lots of testing | |
| 12:11 | kmkale | true chris |
| 12:11 | I have a few libraries like this already on koha | |
| 12:12 | and willing to beta | |
| 12:12 | chris | cool |
| 12:12 | i have to go to sleep now | |
| 12:12 | kmkale | a few more are waiting for this feature to jump in with koha |
| 12:12 | by chris thanks | |
| 12:12 | chris_n | g'night chris |
| 12:13 | chris | its past midnight and i have work in the morning, but file the enhancement and i will take a look and give you an estimate bout how many hours i guess it would take |
| 12:13 | kmkale | thanks |
| 12:13 | will do it right away | |
| 12:33 | Amit | hi jwagner |
| 12:34 | jwagner | Hi Amit |
| 12:34 | Amit | jwagner: some one asking me parton data in MARC format it is possible |
| 12:34 | i think no | |
| 12:34 | i m right | |
| 12:34 | jwagner | Not sure what you mean |
| 12:35 | Amit | i mean to say it is possible parton data in marc format |
| 12:35 | gmcharlt | Amit: at least one system can output patron data in a pseudo-MARC format, but it's not standard |
| 12:36 | Amit | galen: which system? |
| 12:36 | gmcharlt | don't remember for sure, but I think PALS or DRA Classic |
| 12:36 | Amit | ok |
| 12:36 | i will check | |
| 12:36 | thanks | |
| 12:36 | jdavidb | Wasn't DRA Classic, I don't think, unless they added it after Sirsi bought 'em. Used to be on that system, and don't recall ever seeing that. |
| 12:37 | Amit | i think VTLS uses patron data in MARC format |
| 12:38 | jdavidb | It would be kinda handy, I suppose, to be able to use your MARC handler to build and unravel records like that, but expressing people in MARC-ish form is *so* non-standard, that the hazards would outweigh the benefits, I'd think. |
| 12:38 | jwagner | Unicorn did a pseudo-MARC, I think -- flatfile layout anyway. |
| 12:39 | gmcharlt | hmm - looks like Innopac did as well |
| 12:39 | jdavidb | Yeah, the flatfile layout *groan*...it worked, but it could be a pain. "*** DOCUMENT BOUNDARY ***" anyone? |
| 12:40 | Galen, I'll take Sirsi API for $500, please. | |
| 12:40 | gmcharlt | that little? ;) |
| 12:40 | jdavidb | First round, after all. |
| 12:40 | (And it's been a year since I've done any SD API. Might be rusty.) | |
| 12:44 | Amit | thanks galen, jdavidb, jwagner |
| 12:45 | i have to go home see u tomorrow | |
| 12:45 | bye | |
| 12:48 | tomascohen | is there any bot "recording" this room? i'd like to review what's been said about liblime contrbutions |
| 12:49 | i'm interested in the days fines stuff | |
| 12:50 | as we're already implementing them | |
| 12:52 | gmcharlt | tomascohen: http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl |
| 12:53 | tomascohen | galen: thanks |
| 13:31 | cau0730 | hi all |
| 13:47 | so there has been a tragedy at my work and now i am not sure that we will be continuing with Koha. We have too much to do on it and our lead programmer died in a motorcycle accident and now I must take over as lead programmer for our SIS | |
| 13:48 | gmcharlt | cau0730: I am very sorry to hear that |
| 13:48 | jdavidb | cau0730: Gosh, I'm sorry to hear about that! |
| 13:48 | gmcharlt | my best to you and your colleagues at your SIS |
| 13:50 | cau0730 | thank you all. i hope we still keep koha but I can't promise this as now there is politics that will play a role |
| 13:56 | jdavidb | cau0730: This is a very helpful community; no one can usually promise any given time to help out, without some planning, but pop in here any time, and there's usually someone that can help with any issues you've got. |
| 13:57 | cau0730 | i have found that all ready. i appreciate all the help everyone has given all ready |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | what ever happened to sysgroups? |
| 14:35 | is that still coming in 3.2? | |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt? | |
| 14:37 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: the skeleton thereof, most likely, but that project was never fully sponsored |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | that's what I thought. Damn shame. |
| 14:39 | so... there's an opportunity there >.> | |
| 14:50 | joetho | sysgroups seems like a bit of an orphan, referred to in many potential enhancements |
| 16:40 | pianohacker | meetings_sans_drama++ |
| 16:40 | paul_p2 | hi pianohacker |
| 16:40 | pianohacker | Hello, paul |
| 16:41 | How are you? | |
| 16:41 | paul_p2 | you're right, it's fine to have a chat sans drame (in french ;-) ) |
| 16:41 | pianohacker | Hehe |
| 16:41 | paul_p2 | working on BibLibre business plan for 2010-2012. VERY interesting ! |
| 16:41 | otherwise, it's quite calm in France. Everybody is in vacation in France :D | |
| 16:41 | pianohacker | Heh. Cool |
| 17:23 | nicomo | yeah, the US is the land of the free, we in France are the land of the vacationer :-) |
| 17:23 | jdavidb | The United States: Land of the Free-until-you-see-that-bill-ZOMG! |
| 17:23 | nicomo | I'm still searching for the land of the Free Vacationer though |
| 17:25 | gmcharlt: a few tropical islands look a lot like that, I guess. At least from afar | |
| 17:26 | and with that piece of philosophy, I'll leave you for today all | |
| 17:26 | seeya | |
| 17:34 | atz | hah... there's a little yellow finch perched on my tomato plant by the window.... |
| 17:35 | gmcharlt | atz: nice. do the kittens know? |
| 17:35 | atz | no, they're still sleeping |
| 17:51 | jdavidb | Here's a puzzler---why would a brand-spanking new upgrade--with reindex--from 3.0.x to HEAD not be able to search the catalog by barcode? Anyone have a clue? Checked record.abs, and it's right. |
| 17:51 | atz | dunno... did you modify frameworks? |
| 17:51 | jdavidb | Nope. |
| 17:52 | Right out of the box, pretty close. Very confusing. | |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | jdavidb: Are you searching using just the plain barcode, or using barcode:<barcode> ? |
| 17:52 | jdavidb | Both ways, pianohacker, and neither work. |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | That is very odd. |
| 17:53 | Can you search by itemtype, ccode, etc.? | |
| 17:54 | jdavidb | Jane says not. Click a type in advanced search, with no terms, and you get nothing. |
| 17:54 | gmcharlt | checking Zebra logs for errors is a good idea at this piont |
| 17:54 | pianohacker | jdavidb: It sounds like item indexing in general is broken |
| 17:54 | jdavidb | Well, but other searches by keyword work fine. |
| 17:55 | atz | jdavidb: but that's *title* searching |
| 17:55 | not item searching | |
| 17:55 | pianohacker | bib-level indexing |
| 17:55 | Zebra just can't see the 952 tag, for whatever reason | |
| 17:55 | atz | run your marc frameworks test... just in case |
| 17:56 | jdavidb | Framework test is good. Logs... |
| 17:57 | ...are empty. | |
| 17:59 | atz | then you aren't searching that instance. |
| 17:59 | jdavidb | The only instance on the box... *boggle* |
| 17:59 | atz | or your "real logs" are someplace else? |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | depends - default run script for zebrasrv keeps the log level pretty quiet nowadays |
| 18:02 | jdavidb | Hrm. ps -ef shows the process, and all the params look like I expect. |
| 18:05 | I know there's a way to talk to Zebra dreckly, but don't recall the process--painful? | |
| 18:06 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: not particularly |
| 18:06 | yaz-client | |
| 18:06 | open /path/to/bib/socket | |
| 18:06 | base biblios | |
| 18:06 | f query | |
| 18:06 | depending on config, may need to put auth command before doing the open | |
| 18:08 | jdavidb | This is novel: "Could not resolve address /var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket" ...but such a file exists. |
| 18:08 | jwagner | The site does not seem to be using collection codes -- just item types (i.e., no 952$8). Relevant? |
| 18:09 | jdavidb | I wouldn't think that'd affect barcode searching. |
| 18:09 | thd | jdavidb: have you really purged the zebra index before reindexing? |
| 18:10 | jdavidb | I shut it down last night, reinstalled, and reind...waitaminit. |
| 18:10 | thd | jdavidb: Had there been a Zebra index previously? |
| 18:11 | jdavidb | There had been, but I wiped out the socket files after I shut it down. |
| 18:11 | Just to be safe, I just did it again. Restarted..no change. | |
| 18:11 | And I reindexed with -r -w, as I always do. | |
| 18:12 | thd | Old Zebra indexes act like undead creatures. |
| 18:12 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: anything interesting if you run rebuild_zebra.pl with -v ? |
| 18:13 | jdavidb | That's what I did last night, gmcharlt, and it looked normal, then. Run now with what params? |
| 18:13 | gmcharlt | -b -r -v |
| 18:14 | jdavidb | Won't that dump it and start over? Did that last night. |
| 18:15 | (it'll also take a couple of hours. Biggish catalog. | |
| 18:15 | gmcharlt | yup |
| 18:15 | could try selective indexing | |
| 18:15 | insert rows into zebraqueue, then -b -z -v | |
| 18:16 | jdavidb | There were a few out there already that hadn't been done. -b -z -v looks very normal. |
| 18:18 | Sharon | Amy says Hi, Danny |
| 18:24 | jdavidb | Somethin' amiss. Yaz-client still can't connect to the bibliosocket, and that Just Is Not Right. |
| 18:24 | atz | jdavidb: check permissions on socket |
| 18:24 | if that doesn't work.... try switching to port | |
| 18:24 | jdavidb | *nod* |
| 18:29 | all right...that time it worked (typo...) It just didn't *find* anything: | |
| 18:29 | Z> base biblios | |
| 18:29 | Z> f 33295000395969 | |
| 18:29 | Sent searchRequest. | |
| 18:29 | Received SearchResponse. | |
| 18:29 | thd | I have found the following necessary to have some hope of replacing the Zebra index zebraidx -c Path/To/Zebra/Config/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init |
| 18:29 | jdavidb | Search was a success. |
| 18:29 | Number of hits: 0, setno 2 | |
| 18:29 | SearchResult-1: term=33295000395969 cnt=0 | |
| 18:29 | records returned: 0 | |
| 18:29 | Elapsed: 0.006083 | |
| 18:30 | Hrm. That, and then reindex, thd? | |
| 18:31 | thd | yes |
| 18:31 | but I have still found some phantom records after even that measure | |
| 18:31 | Zebra is still much too mysterious. | |
| 18:32 | jdavidb | Lordy. Well, I guess I gotta. (tonight. It's partly working anyway...) |
| 18:32 | thd | much too much like a black box with a few poorly labelled knobs |
| 18:33 | pianohacker | jdavidb: If you run zebrasrv in a console, does it print out anything interesting when you search? |
| 18:33 | thd: I agree. The source code is actually _worse_, even | |
| 18:33 | jdavidb | Hadn't tried that, pianohacker...never been necessary before. |
| 18:33 | pianohacker | jdavidb: I've found it helps sometimes |
| 18:34 | jdavidb | Hm. Only problem right *now* is that the connection I have to the server is hiccupy. Very frustrating. |
| 18:44 | I'm gonna try thd's suggestion this evening; in the meantime, title search is working, and that'll keep 'em going along, for the nonce. | |
| 18:45 | thd | jdavidb: I had not found my suggestion to be a perfect solution |
| 18:45 | jdavidb: I still had some phantom index results for records which no longer existed | |
| 18:46 | jdavidb | Beats what I've got, at the moment, though, so it's worth a shot. |
| 18:46 | thd | using the command I reported and then the usual reindexing procedure |
| 18:47 | I favour wiping the filesystem as a solution | |
| 18:49 | jdavidb: maybe with rebooting in addition my suggestion would work without wiping the file system | |
| 18:49 | jdavidb | Might see about doing that, thd. |
| 18:50 | thd | jdavidb: the command I gave also has a an authorities corollary |
| 18:51 | jdavidb | Figured as much. |
| 19:00 | danny | *laughs* Thank you Sharon for passing along the message from Amy |
| 19:00 | pianohacker | danny: ? |
| 19:00 | Sharon | We're demonstrating our Koha install for her now. |
| 19:01 | danny | oh very cool |
| 19:01 | Sharon | Howard County - we have Amy Begg De Groff here for our annual tech conference |
| 19:01 | theme this year is Open Source | |
| 19:01 | pianohacker | ah |
| 19:01 | chris | hi from NZ |
| 19:01 | pianohacker | Hallo, chris |
| 19:06 | jdavidb | Howdy, chris. |
| 19:47 | chris | ok time to go to work |
| 19:47 | ttyl later | |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | Just did first upgrade with improved interface, gmcharlt++ |
| 19:59 | chris_n | 3.175cm hail... not bad for NC, USA |
| 19:59 | pianohacker | Wow |
| 20:36 | richard | hi |
| 20:42 | pianohacker | hello |
| 20:59 | Jo | Good morning all |
| 21:00 | chris | hiya jo |
| 21:01 | Jo | nice day again |
| 21:01 | chris | sure is |
| 21:01 | thd | Is there an IRC meeting now? |
| 21:01 | Jo | work going ok for you ? |
| 21:02 | no thd | |
| 21:02 | chris | was last night thd |
| 21:02 | Jo | about 12 hours ago |
| 21:02 | thd | really? |
| 21:02 | Jo | :) |
| 21:02 | chris | yep |
| 21:02 | joetho | 4 am for me |
| 21:02 | it was surreal | |
| 21:02 | chris | we move it round joetho |
| 21:02 | Jo | share the love :) |
| 21:02 | chris | so everyone gets a turn of the crap time |
| 21:02 | joetho | good for the soul. |
| 21:03 | thd | Was it not 10.00 GMT? |
| 21:03 | Jo | jjoetho: gives you a nice long day to gets heaps done |
| 21:03 | chris | yes |
| 21:03 | on the 5th | |
| 21:03 | Jo | U time |
| 21:03 | thd | Today is the 5th |
| 21:03 | chris | not gmt |
| 21:03 | thd | not GMT |
| 21:03 | joetho | read log here http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.p[…]25%3A00&save=save |
| 21:04 | pianohacker | thd: 10:00 AM GMT |
| 21:04 | chris | its nearly 20:00 GMT |
| 21:04 | or 10pm | |
| 21:04 | thd | Wow |
| 21:05 | joetho | read summary here http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09aug05 |
| 21:05 | cordial meeting | |
| 21:06 | chris | they pretty much always are |
| 21:06 | joetho | I slept through a lengthy part of it |
| 21:06 | chris | heh |
| 21:07 | joetho | i am very pleased to hear of the surprise additions to 3.2 |
| 21:08 | and that the oct date seems realistic. | |
| 21:08 | gmcharlt | <chris> so everyone gets a turn of the crap time |
| 21:08 | relatively speaking | |
| 21:08 | chris | they werent total suprise, but yeah not publicised enough |
| 21:08 | gmcharlt | I'm never planning to hold one at 2 a.m. in my time zone ;) |
| 21:08 | chris | hehe |
| 21:08 | Jo | devel;opment seems tobe happening really fast |
| 21:09 | chris | yep, from multiple sources jo |
| 21:09 | joetho | surprise to us, particularly since we had considering sponsoring a similar effort |
| 21:09 | Jo | gmcharlt: i think you are entitled to pull rank on thatone ;) |
| 21:09 | joetho | speedy development makes communication critically important. |
| 21:09 | bugzilla bugzilla bugzilla | |
| 21:10 | chris | and things like WIP branches of public git repos too |
| 21:10 | because often people are working on overlapping features | |
| 21:10 | and the earlier you can reconcile the easier it is | |
| 21:10 | joetho | git for those doing the heavy lifting; bugzilla for everybody |
| 21:11 | thd | I had misread the time in accordance with my expectation of what it would be. |
| 21:11 | joetho | correct? |
| 21:11 | chris | *nod( |
| 21:11 | joetho | thd: I had 2pm us central time on my calendar. Silly me. |
| 21:11 | pianohacker | thd: I made the same mistake up until a day ago |
| 21:11 | chris | the good news is, the majority of developers agree on the need for more open communication and development |
| 21:11 | so its only gonna get better | |
| 21:12 | joetho | I even used a french translater thing while perusing the biblibre site this morning. I am SO global today! |
| 21:13 | thd | GMT should be expressed in 24 format but my mind inserted PM when my eyes were not looking. |
| 21:14 | joetho | thd: see links above for log and summary |
| 21:16 | chris | was a good meeting, got through the agenda, didnt drag to long, lots of positives |
| 21:17 | ohhh russel is gonna make a cake for koha anniversary | |
| 21:17 | cake++ | |
| 21:17 | pianohacker | cake! |
| 21:24 | joetho | please pass the CAKE, pianohacker (ducks quickly) |
| 21:24 | pianohacker | Hehehe |
| 21:24 | You get the rubber cake, I get the real one | |
| 21:24 | everybody's happy | |
| 22:56 | atz | speaking of cake, i started playing "fat princess" on PS3 last night |
| 22:56 | pretty fun | |
| 22:56 | chris | heh |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | Hey everybody, come quick and look, a PS3 owner! |
| 22:58 | In the flesh | |
| 22:59 | atz | my best friend from high school is a PS3 developer, so that affected my decision |
| 23:00 | pianohacker | Oh, cool |
| 23:00 | How do you like it? | |
| 23:01 | atz | pretty well. hasn't died on me yet or even had any problems |
| 23:02 | had it since.... well... whatever day GTA IV came out. | |
| 23:13 | pianohacker | (re mailing list) It's like there's a hornet's nest with a giant target painted on its side, and people can't resist the urge to kick it |
| 23:14 | chris | heh |
| 23:14 | smart move by PTFS though | |
| 23:14 | pianohacker | Sending the message, yes. |
| 23:14 | chris | an email like that earlier from others could have stopped this in its tracks |
| 23:19 | Jo | I'd liked the email - and yes, wish it had been sent 6 months ago :) |
| 23:19 | chris: email sent to you | |
| 23:21 | chris | thanks Jo |
| 23:29 | Jo | This is so cool: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=332 Thanks Owen, I love reading your stuff |
| 23:29 | atz | uh, yeah... sounds good, but "show us the code" |
| 23:30 | chris | yeah owen might be the first of my 'Sung heroes, but needs to be sung more loudly" posts |
| 23:30 | atz: we have a public statement we can hold them too know, and they are sending feature patches, so it's looking up | |
| 23:30 | know=now | |
| 23:31 | atz | yeah, but to be clear at kohacon david was talking about all kinds of features we haven't seen a hair of |
| 23:31 | in general, that's the right posture though | |
| 23:34 | chris | Jo: forward the email to Don to read, but I like it |
| 23:37 | Jo | his email same pattern as yours? |
| 23:37 | chris | sorry i meant i forwarded it |
| 23:38 | typing fail | |
| 23:40 | Jo | :) |
| 23:40 | cool | |
| 00:30 | pianohacker | night |
| 00:56 | brendan | see you in a bit #koha |
| 01:26 | chris | whats the big news there? |
| 01:26 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/s[…]rvivors-continues | |
| 01:26 | is the big news in nz at the moment | |
| 01:31 | chris_n-2nd | I'm beginning to believe the old adage: No news is good news. |
| 01:32 | In all of its various implications... :-P | |
| 01:32 | chris | :) |
| 01:33 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ui-a-helping-hand | |
| 01:33 | that's good news | |
| 01:37 | chris_n-2nd | neat |
| 01:37 | a similar thing happened to my wife's first cousin some years ago | |
| 01:38 | his restaurant was burned out - he closed for nearly two years to rebuild a new place | |
| 01:38 | paid all of his staff the entire time he was shut down | |
| 01:38 | and put them back to work once the new building was complete | |
| 01:38 | chris | that's awesome |
| 01:48 | yeah its a good blogpost | |
| 01:50 | chris_n-2nd | how's the pg work coming? |
| 01:51 | chris | havent really got very far, got distracted doing DBIx::class |
| 01:51 | which i think is a way around having to have 2 schema's | |
| 01:52 | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]8354ca285574e3f9a | |
| 01:52 | chris_n-2nd | yeah, seems abstraction is best |
| 01:52 | chris | thats the schema files |
| 01:53 | and using that, should be able to create a db in any sql engine | |
| 01:54 | using DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader | |
| 01:54 | chris_n-2nd | cool |
| 03:38 | chris | heh |
| 03:38 | Amit | hi chris, brendan |
| 03:39 | chris | hiya amit |
| 03:46 | brendan | hi amit |
| 05:02 | digitalfredy | Hello friends, any know if are some recipe for select the server hardware (Procesor, memory, hard disk ...) |
| 05:10 | chris | digitalfredy: how big is your library? |
| 05:11 | digitalfredy | how is big? |
| 05:11 | chris | how many items in the catalogue, how many circulations do you do in a day |
| 05:11 | that kinda thing | |
| 05:12 | digitalfredy | moment please, go to searsh notes |
| 05:20 | chris not find my notes about library, you wil do tomorro in the IRC? | |
| 05:21 | chris | yes, i should be here |
| 05:21 | digitalfredy | i thik that is small or medium |
| 05:21 | chris | a rule of thumb tho is |
| 05:21 | go for as much ram as you can afford | |
| 05:21 | next is fast(ish) disk | |
| 05:22 | finally if you have money left over spend it on the cpu | |
| 05:22 | :) | |
| 05:22 | digitalfredy | chris, tanks |
| 05:22 | chris | lots of ram will allow the database to run mostly out of ram, and be a bunch faster |
| 05:23 | digitalfredy | if my proyect is approved i wil made the first instalation in my country |
| 05:23 | pie | cool! |
| 05:23 | digitalfredy | i not see any reported in the koha web |
| 05:23 | chris | ohh what country is that? |
| 05:23 | digitalfredy | Colombia |
| 05:24 | we speak in spanish | |
| 05:24 | chris | ohhh |
| 05:24 | i think there is maybe one | |
| 05:24 | digitalfredy | yes? i not se any in the map |
| 05:25 | chris | yes, i might be mistaken but i think i have heard of one before |
| 05:25 | i will look around | |
| 05:25 | you have seen http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ers#south_america | |
| 05:26 | (no colombia there either) | |
| 05:26 | http://translate.koha.org/es/ | |
| 05:26 | there are still a few words to be translated for spanish | |
| 05:26 | but not many | |
| 05:28 | is this you digitalfredy http://www.kohacolombia.org/wp/ ? | |
| 05:29 | this was what i was thinking of, but they might have stopped work ... no entries for this year | |
| 05:29 | digitalfredy | nop |
| 05:29 | i am a Free Lance | |
| 05:29 | i love linux and open source | |
| 05:29 | chris | but that is who i was thinking of |
| 05:31 | digitalfredy: cool :) | |
| 05:33 | digitalfredy | chris, is a log of instalation of koha in a universty deparatament |
| 05:33 | i not know obout it | |
| 05:34 | chris | ahhh thanks |
| 05:34 | digitalfredy | i wil try go to university and review if koha is working |
| 05:34 | and made the report | |
| 05:37 | have to sleep | |
| 05:37 | tanks | |
| 05:37 | very tanks friends | |
| 05:37 | ;) | |
| 05:38 | chris | sleep well |
| 05:38 | buenos nuchos | |
| 05:38 | i hope i spelt that right | |
| 06:32 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 06:33 | nicomo | morning kf, morning all |
| 06:33 | so kf, nice boat trip? | |
| 06:36 | kf | yes |
| 06:36 | yes, but aching muscles today | |
| 06:41 | indradg | kf, went sailing? |
| 06:41 | kf | more canoeing |
| 06:41 | indradg | aah |
| 06:53 | chris | morning europe |
| 06:55 | eiro | hello nz :) |
| 06:55 | hello rest of the wolrd also :) | |
| 06:55 | chris | :) |
| 07:23 | Kivutar | hello |
| 07:53 | chris | hi paul_p and Kivutar |
| 07:54 | Kivutar | hi chris |
| 07:54 | paul_p | internet connection working poorly this morning... |
| 07:54 | chris | the foreign legion fire artillery at it? |
| 07:55 | (that made the news here, the fact they set fire to the hills) | |
| 07:55 | paul_p | lol no, they have too much to do with putting fire on the country :D |
| 07:55 | chris | :) |
| 07:55 | Kivutar | do I have to submit a bug report before pushing a unimarc pluggin wich will be usefull only to us? |
| 07:55 | paul_p | (in fact, it should be :\ ) |
| 07:56 | chris | you dont *have* to, but it doesnt hurt to do it :) |
| 07:57 | Kivutar | ok :) |
| 08:51 | Amit | hi kf, paul_p |
| 09:03 | kmkale | chris:hi, did you have a chance to look at the enhancement I filed? About recurring fees? |
| 09:03 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3504 | |
| 09:03 | munin | 04Bug 3504: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Recurring patron fees. |
| 09:09 | chris | at a total estimate, id say between a week and 2 weeks work |
| 09:09 | (includng testing) | |
| 09:09 | kmkale | humm |
| 09:10 | cost estimate if someone were to sponsor it? | |
| 09:10 | chris | that would depend entirely on who was doing the work and what they charge |
| 09:11 | kmkale | yes. If we were to attempt it ourselves, any suggestions on how to go about it? |
| 09:12 | chris | take it in steps |
| 09:12 | 1st step build the interface and code to set the rules in the db | |
| 09:13 | kmkale | do you think its a good idea about a new table to hold frequency, patron type nd fee amount? |
| 09:13 | chris | yep |
| 09:14 | kmkale | how to hold the actual fee transactions? same as fines? |
| 09:14 | chris | yes, using the accountlines table |
| 09:14 | kmkale | ok. thats what I thought. |
| 09:15 | yesterday you said a new finetype would do. can you elaborate that idea? | |
| 09:15 | chris | for the accountlines |
| 09:16 | you need a different finetype, so it doesnt get mixed up with overdue fines etc | |
| 09:16 | and so you can report on it etc | |
| 09:17 | kmkale | ok |
| 09:17 | anything else you would suggest? | |
| 09:17 | 2nd step? | |
| 09:18 | chris | write the code to be run as a cron job |
| 09:18 | 3rd step | |
| 09:19 | edit the circulation code, so that if you have the syspref set to enable recurring fees, circulation checks if its overdue | |
| 09:19 | and stops you from issuing to borrowers with overdue fees | |
| 09:21 | kmkale | syspref to enable recurring fees and one more to set the number of days overdue tolerated? |
| 09:21 | chris | yep |
| 09:21 | unless | |
| 09:21 | that is patron specific too | |
| 09:21 | in which case just one syspref to enable it | |
| 09:21 | and you store the days overdue in the same table as the frequency and amount | |
| 09:21 | actually that is a better way | |
| 09:21 | kmkale | right |
| 09:22 | with a default value | |
| 09:22 | chris | yep |
| 09:23 | kmkale | I really hope the GIT tutorils come through ;) |
| 09:24 | thank you very much chris. | |
| 09:25 | I hope there are others interested and will helpout. I am going to try this one.. | |
| 09:26 | chris | im sure there must be some other indian developers who might be able to help out |
| 09:26 | I dont have much time, but i can help with testing | |
| 09:27 | kmkale | :) and guidance now and again |
| 09:29 | chris | heya lamiette |
| 09:30 | lamiette | hey chris :) |
| 09:30 | chris | nicomo, lamiette is who is working on the moodle SSO |
| 09:30 | nicomo | hi lamiette |
| 09:30 | nice nick | |
| 09:30 | lamiette | bonjour nicomo :) |
| 09:30 | paul_p | (at least nice nick in french ;-) ) |
| 09:30 | nicomo | yeah :-) |
| 09:30 | matts | hi chris, i'm here |
| 09:31 | chris | matts: lamiette may have some questions for you about SSO stuff .. you should make her ask you in french though :-) |
| 09:31 | matts | :-) |
| 09:32 | hello lamiette... how can I help you ? | |
| 09:32 | nicomo | lamiette: don't know if it's intended but "la miette" is "the (bread) crumb" |
| 09:32 | lamiette | haha, apologies, but my french is far too rusty these days : |
| 09:32 | haha, apologies, but my french is far too rusty these days :) | |
| 09:32 | Amit | hi nicomo, lamiette |
| 09:32 | lamiette | oopse, apparnelty my enter skills are also! |
| 09:33 | nicomo | hi Amit |
| 09:36 | lamiette | hey matts, I probably don't have many questions right now actually as I have a bit of research into CAS etc to go |
| 09:37 | matts | ok... feel free to ask ! |
| 09:37 | lamiette | but awesome that you did that work for Koha! :D I think it's going to make my end with Moodle a lot easier |
| 09:37 | I thought mainly I'd just pop in and say hello as I'm hoping I can slowly infiltrate my way into the Koha dev community. chris has won us over with his talks on koha :) | |
| 09:41 | kmkale | hi lamiette |
| 09:41 | I am also very interested on moodle SSO | |
| 09:42 | 2 major pieces for any college | |
| 09:42 | lamiette | yeah, definitely |
| 09:42 | kmkale | ILS and moodle |
| 09:42 | lamiette | I am very interested in the whole "school in a box" idea |
| 09:42 | nicomo | kmkale: lamiette here is refering to the exchange we had around this bug |
| 09:42 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3511 | |
| 09:42 | munin | 04Bug 3511: enhancement, P5, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Integration with Moodle |
| 09:43 | kmkale | yes I am watching this bug |
| 09:43 | chris | @karma |
| 09:43 | munin | chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (54), "hdl_laptop" (40), and "chris" (34). Lowest karma: "<!" (-9), "failed" (-9), and "<-" (-5). You (chris) are ranked 3 out of 346. |
| 09:43 | nicomo | oh yes, I just see now that you're in the cc list, sorry |
| 09:44 | chris | lol |
| 09:44 | someone must have pasted a template in here | |
| 09:44 | nicomo | this thing is fixed |
| 09:44 | chris | and munin has got confused |
| 09:44 | <!-- | |
| 09:45 | @karma for <! | |
| 09:45 | munin | chris: for <! has neutral karma. |
| 09:45 | chris | @karma <! |
| 09:45 | munin | chris: Karma for "<!" has been increased 0 times and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -10. |
| 09:45 | nicomo | eh eh |
| 09:45 | paul_p | lol !!! |
| 09:45 | nicomo | paul_p I wonder if that explains your high ranking somehow, you know, hasty cut and paste or something |
| 09:46 | chris | heh |
| 09:46 | nicomo | :-) |
| 09:46 | paul_p | it's just that i'm beloved here, it's not like on our BibLibre channel. PPl here see that i'm a smart guy... |
| 09:46 | chris | jesse did that, he went through the old logs, and fed it into munin |
| 09:47 | so it has ++ from the history of the channel | |
| 09:47 | @karma nicomo | |
| 09:47 | munin | chris: nicomo has neutral karma. |
| 09:47 | chris | nicomo++ |
| 09:47 | there you can do one bad thing now | |
| 09:47 | :) | |
| 09:47 | nicomo | I just did |
| 09:48 | taunting my business partner | |
| 09:48 | :-) | |
| 09:48 | chris | @quote random |
| 09:48 | munin | chris: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) |
| 09:50 | nicomo | @quote random |
| 09:50 | munin | nicomo: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) |
| 09:50 | nicomo | @quote random |
| 09:50 | munin | nicomo: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009) |
| 09:50 | chris | @quote random |
| 09:50 | munin | chris: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 09:37 PM, July 17, 2009) |
| 09:51 | chris | ahh the bacon conversation |
| 09:51 | i remember that one | |
| 09:51 | nicomo | never knew bacon had a point |
| 09:52 | chris | heh |
| 09:52 | lamiette would agree with you there | |
| 09:53 | lamiette | hehe |
| 09:56 | chris | lamiette: another fun thing munin can do is |
| 09:56 | @weather marseille | |
| 09:56 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 27.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:57 | gmcharlt | @wunder 32605 |
| 09:57 | munin | gmcharlt: The current temperature in FoxFire Woods, Gainesville, Florida is 21.3°C (5:57 AM EDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:57 | nicomo | @weather wellington nz |
| 09:57 | munin | nicomo: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:57 | nicomo | brrrr, that's cold |
| 09:57 | chris | well its night time :) |
| 09:57 | gmcharlt | @wunder anchorage, alaska |
| 09:57 | munin | gmcharlt: The current temperature in The Spurlocks at Airport Heights, Anchorage, Alaska is 12.2°C (1:57 AM AKDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:57 | nicomo | and winter |
| 09:57 | eheh, colder than alaska | |
| 09:58 | @weather lyon, france | |
| 09:58 | munin | nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon Satolas, France is 28.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:58 | nicomo | much better |
| 09:58 | lamiette | it is really cold, I can see my breath in the air inside my house it's that cold! (really wish we had double glazing on our windows) |
| 09:58 | chris | nicomo wins |
| 09:59 | nicomo | yeah, 28°C is pretty much the limit before it gets uncomfortable |
| 09:59 | chris | altho if its 21.3 at 6am in gainesville, i think its gonna get hot where galen is today |
| 09:59 | gmcharlt | oh, definitely |
| 10:07 | magnusenger | @wunder bodø, norway |
| 10:07 | munin | magnusenger: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 10:07 | magnusenger | @wunder bodoe, norway |
| 10:07 | munin | magnusenger: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 10:07 | magnusenger | @wunder, bodo, norway |
| 10:07 | munin | magnusenger: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 10:08 | chris | heh |
| 10:08 | magnusenger | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 10:08 | munin | magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 21.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:08 | magnusenger | cheeky munin! |
| 10:09 | chris | heh |
| 10:12 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 10:12 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 10:13 | nicomo | magnusenger 21°C is actually good for someone living above the polar circle, it seems to me, no? |
| 10:13 | magnusenger | oh, yes, it's very good! And we have had a lot of good days this summer! ;-) |
| 10:14 | http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/[…]8/statistics.html For anyone who is REALLY interested! ;-) | |
| 10:15 | chris | -11 ?? |
| 10:15 | thats crazy talk | |
| 10:16 | :) | |
| 10:16 | magnusenger | chris: you need some of that to get the snow that should be a part of any normal winter... ;-) |
| 10:17 | chris | more crazy talk :) |
| 10:17 | magnusenger | lots of places get colder, but we have a lot of wind and high humidity, so it feels much colder than what the thermometer shows |
| 10:18 | nicomo | which is more crazy talk, if you ask me |
| 10:18 | chris | heh |
| 10:19 | sounds like nicomo and i will both be retiring to a tropical island in the south pacific :) | |
| 10:19 | nicomo | ++ to that |
| 10:20 | magnusenger | sounds like it! ;-) |
| 10:20 | perhaps we could do a Koha conference up here in the middle of winter some time in the future? | |
| 10:22 | chris | which country has the ice hotel? |
| 10:22 | nicomo | the idea of UP is relative, you know |
| 10:22 | depends how you look at earth | |
| 10:22 | to I'm all for doing a conference up in, say, Fiji | |
| 10:22 | s/to/so | |
| 10:22 | :-) | |
| 10:25 | gmcharlt | polar_KohaCon++ |
| 10:25 | chris | says the man who live in alaska |
| 10:26 | s/live/lived/ | |
| 10:26 | nicomo | polar_kohaCon in 2011 |
| 10:26 | gmcharlt | Palin aside, it's nothing to be ashamed of ;) |
| 10:26 | nicomo | tropical_KohaCon in 2010 |
| 10:26 | that's settled | |
| 10:26 | gmcharlt | ha! |
| 10:26 | nicomo | paul_p: goes in 2011 |
| 10:26 | I'll go in 2010 | |
| 10:26 | :-) | |
| 10:27 | chris | well its semi tropical |
| 10:27 | october in nz | |
| 10:27 | gmcharlt: i actually want to do a cruise in alaska sometime | |
| 10:29 | gmcharlt | chris++ # highly, highly recommended, particularly if you go with a small ship |
| 10:30 | as long as you don't mind a couple chills, I recommend doing it very early in the tourist seasno | |
| 10:30 | i.e., May | |
| 10:32 | magnusenger | chris: cruising along the coast of Norway is nice to, with Hurtigruten |
| 10:33 | a bit expensive, though... | |
| 10:35 | an on topic question: i know Koha has a way of importing patrons, but how difficult is it to import active loans and reservations? | |
| 10:36 | chris | depends |
| 10:37 | on what info you can get out of your old ILS | |
| 10:38 | basically you need a way to match the item and borrower to the values in your koha db | |
| 10:38 | (itemnumber and borrowernumber) | |
| 10:39 | magnusenger | borrower should be ok, as long as they keep their barcodes |
| 10:39 | more worried about the items | |
| 10:39 | chris | yeah you can do a search to find the borrowernumber where cardnumber = barcode |
| 10:40 | how does your old ILS store the info | |
| 10:40 | magnusenger | don't know what the old system can give me yet |
| 10:40 | doing it for a client | |
| 10:40 | chris | if it stores borrower barcode and item barcode then not too hard |
| 10:40 | magnusenger | good to hear! |
| 10:40 | chris | if it stores it with some internal number |
| 10:40 | magnusenger | not so easy... |
| 10:41 | chris | then you have to match that with barcode, then match the barcode with the borrower in koha (or item) |
| 10:42 | magnusenger | ok, i have asked the old vendor how they can export the data, so i'm eagerly awaiting their reply |
| 11:37 | Amit | hi indradg_, kmkale |
| 11:38 | indradg_ | Amit, hey! |
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