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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:26 | jdavidb | Morning, schuster. :) |
| 12:26 | schuster | HAYLO! |
| 12:26 | paul_p | hi jdavidb & shuster |
| 12:26 | jdavidb | Howdy, Paul! |
| 12:27 | Amit | hi jdavidb |
| 12:27 | jdavidb | Howdy, Amit. :) |
| 12:34 | gmcharlt | hi schuster |
| 12:35 | kf | http://www.kics.edu.pk/koha/ - koha dhoom? |
| 12:37 | Amit | kf: Koha-Dhoom |
| 12:37 | schuster | interesting... |
| 12:39 | indradg__ | kf, "Dhoom" in Urdu (the state language of Pakistan) means a loud bang or a startling happening that grabs everyone's attention |
| 12:39 | gmcharlt | Koha-Dhoom++ |
| 12:40 | indradg__: how is the 'dh' pronounced? | |
| 12:42 | indradg__ | gmcharlt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpofrb7FV-E follow the song's lyric.... its used in the same context too =P |
| 12:44 | gmcharlt | indradg__: thanks |
| 12:44 | indradg__ | gmcharlt, anytime : |
| 12:44 | :) | |
| 13:15 | nahuel | gmcharlt, ? |
| 13:15 | gmcharlt, around ? | |
| 13:15 | gmcharlt | nahuel: what's up/ |
| 13:16 | nahuel | héhé need an info |
| 13:16 | what does it needed to allow to limit by "available" items ? | |
| 13:16 | "onloan" index no ? | |
| 13:17 | gmcharlt | that would be one part |
| 13:17 | also items that are not in transit, although that's not currently indexed | |
| 13:17 | also items that not not lost or withdrawn | |
| 13:18 | nahuel | ok, but atm I have a zebra error... |
| 13:20 | gmcharlt, this one : | |
| 13:20 | 16:15:13-04/08 zebrasrv(5474) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @and jean @and @not @attr "1=_ALLRECORDS" @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8024 @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8002 @attr 4=109 @attr 2=3 0 | |
| 13:20 | and if I execute the query by hand, I have this error : | |
| 13:21 | arf 2s | |
| 13:26 | gmcharlt, [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '8024' | |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt | nahuel: ok, to debug, start by checking bib1.att to see the name assigned to Z39.50 use attribute 8024 |
| 13:29 | nahuel | att 8024 onloan |
| 13:29 | and onloan is defined in the record.abs | |
| 13:29 | melm 995$n onloan:d,onloan:n,onloan:s | |
| 13:29 | gmcharlt | is items.onloan mapped to a tag/subfield per the MARC frameowrks? |
| 13:30 | and specifically 995$n ? | |
| 13:30 | nahuel | should I add onloan:w ? |
| 13:30 | yes it is | |
| 13:30 | kf | are the codes in RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight / StaticHoldsQueueWeight branch codes or LOC codes? |
| 13:30 | gmcharlt | check the biblioitems.marcxml of one of the records that has an item on loan, and check |
| 13:30 | kf: branch codes | |
| 13:30 | nahuel | in marc21 framework onloan index have ":w" index |
| 13:30 | gmcharlt | nahuel: ok, then doesn't hurt to try adding ":w' |
| 13:30 | nahuel | :p |
| 13:30 | kf | thx galen, thoght that but the text is not clear |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt: perhaps explanation should be changed, it tells: "based on all location codes, or by the location codes specified in..." | |
| 13:31 | nahuel | let's go :) |
| 13:34 | gmcharlt | kf: sure, file a bug |
| 13:34 | kf | arg - I know you would say that ;) |
| 13:45 | @bug 3437 | |
| 13:45 | munin | kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3437 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulain biblibre.com, NEW, ReturnBeforeExpiry system preference needs changes to explanation |
| 13:45 | kf | oh, wrong |
| 13:46 | @bug 3501 | |
| 13:46 | munin | kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3501 trivial, P5, ---, paul.poulainbiblibre.com, NEW, Change explanation of RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight/StaticHoldsQueueWeight from location code to branch code |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | <- is a LL customer and doesn't agree with code embargo. FWIW |
| 14:29 | just sayin. | |
| 14:30 | jdavidb | g'morning, wizzyrea! |
| 14:32 | nicomo | hi wizzyrea |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | mornin. |
| 14:32 | nicomo | we gathered as much from the meeting notes :-) |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | oh, I wasn't at the meeting. I got wind of it the same way you guys did |
| 14:33 | nicomo | ah ok, I was mistaken then |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | it's ok :) |
| 14:34 | made me feel a bit sick, tbh. | |
| 14:35 | nahuel | gmcharlt, it was this index :) |
| 14:38 | gmcharlt | nahuel: cool |
| 14:38 | nahuel | :) |
| 14:41 | sekjal | well, for better or worse, at least the community has something concrete to deal with, rather than rumours and worries |
| 14:51 | nahuel | gmcharlt, about the bug 3497 |
| 14:51 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3497 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Don't show copyright but publicationyear |
| 14:51 | nahuel | gmcharlt, what should be the column title ? |
| 14:51 | gmcharlt | just Year |
| 14:51 | nahuel | I have no idea, to be more "generic" |
| 14:52 | ok | |
| 14:52 | :) | |
| 14:52 | thanks :) | |
| 14:52 | gmcharlt | yw |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | actually remarkably quiet today |
| 15:41 | rhcl | I'm hungry. |
| 15:42 | rhcl goes to eat tomatoes. | |
| 15:44 | pianohacker | Hmm |
| 15:44 | @lart rhcl for eating tomatoes too early | |
| 15:44 | munin | pianohacker: Error: There are no larts in my database for #koha. |
| 15:50 | atz | rhcl: come by my place.... i've got 2 gallons of cherry tomatoes in the fridge... |
| 15:52 | i had this moment a couple years ago where i read the packaging on the seeds and the splash lead description was "Super Prolific!" | |
| 15:52 | pianohacker | Truth in advertising, huh? |
| 15:53 | atz | and I thought "wow, that's the kind of thing that would seem like a warning. i'm sure they're exaggerating." |
| 15:53 | paul_p | wizzyrea, pianohacker & atz: good morning to you ! |
| 15:53 | pianohacker | paul_p: Good evening |
| 15:53 | atz | but yeah, the clincher is that *i didn't plant ANY of them this year* |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | atz: lol!! |
| 15:54 | atz | they're all leftovers from last year |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | garden_tomatoes++ |
| 15:54 | atz | very jack/beanstalk kind of stuff |
| 15:54 | hi, paul_p | |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | mornin' paul_p |
| 16:01 | Sharon | I can't get my pole beans to grow beans! Not enough sun or something |
| 16:10 | atz | wizzyrea: you can see my crazy corn and ginourmous sunflowers on facebook |
| 16:12 | rhcl | tomatoes: (1) I had a fasting lab appointment this morning--I'm powerful hungry. (2) Here at work people bring extra stuff from their gardens for free redistribution (but some people do hold back some of their stuff) (3) Yesterday there were a bunch of tomatoes in the break room (4) Today they are all gone. (5) I'm still hungry. |
| 16:16 | hdl | hello |
| 16:16 | gmcharlt: around ? | |
| 16:16 | paul_p | hi hdl ! |
| 16:16 | gmcharlt | hi hdl |
| 16:16 | paul_p | what are you doing on the internet ? |
| 16:18 | hdl | just a quick note to tell that i won't be able to make it tomorrow. |
| 16:18 | I donot bring my laptop along. | |
| 16:18 | and cyberspace is not open at 12. | |
| 16:18 | I hope you are well. | |
| 16:20 | gmcharlt: any hint on reconciliation branch ? | |
| 16:20 | gmcharlt | hdl: poking at it this week; check IRC log for fuller status after tomorrows meeting |
| 16:21 | i.e., hoping to get a lot done with it this evening | |
| 16:29 | hdl | ok thx. |
| 16:35 | @all ok. time to go back to holidays. | |
| 16:35 | munin | hdl: I suck |
| 16:35 | paul_p | hdl: bye & amuse toi bien ! |
| 16:35 | (repose toi bien surtout ;-) ) | |
| 16:36 | hdl | will try |
| 17:06 | wizzyrea | atz I saw them! My god, what have you been feeding your plants!! |
| 17:06 | atz | water. |
| 17:07 | i just turned over that little patch of yard this year, so nothing's really grown there before | |
| 17:07 | i think they like it, though. | |
| 17:08 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
| 17:08 | our container tomatoes are doing really well, despite the lack of hot weather | |
| 17:08 | atz | my big'uns are all still green |
| 17:09 | but i think they'll come around | |
| 17:10 | ok, time to go vote | |
| 17:11 | (polling day) | |
| 17:44 | schuster | Owen in? |
| 17:45 | munnin owen | |
| 17:50 | pianohacker | @seen owen |
| 17:50 | munin | pianohacker: owen was last seen in #koha 3 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: * owen has been released. |
| 17:50 | pianohacker | schuster: Anything we can help you with? |
| 18:04 | bbl | |
| 18:08 | schuster | No I was going to point out a broken link at Athens... |
| 18:17 | chris | morning |
| 18:19 | jdavidb | Hi, chris! |
| 18:20 | chris | hey there jdavidb, hows the day going? |
| 18:20 | jdavidb | Pretty quiet, really. Getting ready to migrate a customer from 3.0.x tarball, with some local tinkering, to a HEAD-based git install...so some back-and-forthing there. |
| 18:21 | chris | *nod* |
| 18:29 | brendan | morning #koha (a little late on my part) |
| 18:32 | chris | :) |
| 18:32 | atz | hah... i just installed firefox 3.5 yesterday, and they want me to upgrade to 3.5.2 today |
| 18:32 | chris | :) |
| 18:37 | sekjal | is there an established practice on how to capture the current 'circulation state' when doing a migration to Koha? |
| 18:38 | atz | : / |
| 18:38 | chris | sekjal: nope, it pretty much depends entirely what you are migrating from |
| 18:39 | sekjal | chris: makes sense. I'm thinking a bulk checkout tool would be handy |
| 18:39 | chris | basically you need to end up with a bunch of rows in the issues table |
| 18:39 | sekjal | have it take in a list of item and patron barcodes, as well as optional dates, then just run through |
| 18:39 | chris | *nod* |
| 18:39 | atz | sekjal: same as offline circ |
| 18:39 | except for the dates, perhaps | |
| 18:40 | sekjal | atz: yeah, I looked at that. its designed to use existing loan rules to determine when an item is due |
| 18:40 | chris | probably need 2 dates |
| 18:40 | issuedate and datedue | |
| 18:40 | (tho you can get away with just date due) | |
| 18:40 | sekjal | if I could capture the number of renewals, that'd be gravy |
| 18:41 | chris | usually getting the data out is the hard bit |
| 18:41 | sekjal | My current ILS lets me export lists in CSV with most any bit of data I want. |
| 18:42 | chris | cool |
| 18:42 | sekjal | so I'd just need to tell it patron barcode, item barcode, outdate, indate and maybe something else |
| 18:42 | then be sure to check that I only get one value in each of those four columns | |
| 18:42 | (patrons and items can have multiple barcodes currently) | |
| 18:44 | brendan | yup -- or get ready to very bored and have some one do it by hand :) |
| 18:44 | sekjal | hey, brendan. yeah, a certain amount of our migration is going to have to be manual |
| 18:44 | brendan | heya sekjal |
| 18:45 | sorry for the bad joke | |
| 18:45 | sekjal | its cool |
| 18:45 | thinking about solving this problem is better on the brain than solving the 'linked bibs' issue | |
| 18:47 | atz | sekjal: sounds like you have a normalization problem... can patrons get barcodes, then un-get them... then somebody else get that one? |
| 18:53 | sekjal | no, all the patron's barcodes stay on their record forever |
| 18:54 | though our plan is to only keep the 'latest' barcode, and retire all the others | |
| 18:55 | of course, in theory, it would be possible for a patron to be issued the same barcode as someone else; the ILS doesn't prevent that | |
| 18:56 | we've found different item records with the same barcodes | |
| 19:01 | joetho | I have wondered what happens with identical barcodes and koha |
| 19:01 | what happens when you scan a barcode like that? | |
| 19:02 | Does a kitten die somewhere? | |
| 19:02 | sekjal | well, at least using bulkmarcimport.pl, the item with the duplicate barcode does not get imported |
| 19:03 | though I'm sure there are other ways to make a duplication happen | |
| 19:03 | chris | the database doesnt let you have 2 items |
| 19:03 | joetho | so how do you get duplicate item records with the same barcode? |
| 19:03 | chris | with the same barcode |
| 19:03 | the barcode column is unique, ... unless you take that constraint off | |
| 19:04 | mysql will throw your duplicate on the floor, and laugh at it | |
| 19:04 | sekjal | our current ILS, however, cares not for such logical considerations |
| 19:04 | it boldly scoffs at unique values | |
| 19:04 | chris | hehe |
| 19:04 | joetho | So a duplicate barcode would be an anomaly, and probably generate errors of some sort., |
| 19:05 | chris | it wouldnt exist in koha |
| 19:05 | so if you put the same barcode on 2 books (physically) | |
| 19:05 | then when you scanned them, they would both say there were the same thing | |
| 19:05 | joetho | <--boldy throws self on floor, laughs uniquely |
| 19:06 | chris | theres no way for koha to tell that you didnt just scan the same thing twice |
| 19:06 | until we add the cameras | |
| 19:06 | and robot arms | |
| 19:06 | which smack you for putting duplicate barcodes on items | |
| 19:06 | sekjal | every library needs a koha-bot |
| 19:07 | joetho | item barcode can be anything up to 15 characters, right? Just has to be unique? |
| 19:07 | chris | yup |
| 19:07 | 20 even | |
| 19:07 | joetho | I thought somebody told me 15 max |
| 19:07 | chris | (is what the database will accept) |
| 19:08 | | barcode | varchar(20) | YES | UNI | | |
| 19:08 | joetho | Hmmm. Not the first time I have had an artificially low credit limit. |
| 19:08 | chris | is what my db is telling me |
| 19:16 | breakfast time | |
| 19:43 | back briefly before i go to catch my bus | |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | joetho you always lighten up the place |
| 20:32 | richard | hi |
| 20:43 | joetho | ha ha ha well wizzy, *MY* screen says "sekjal quit" |
| 20:43 | jwagner quit, schuster is away, | |
| 20:43 | I'm thinkin I know how to clear out a room. | |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | well first there's the smell... |
| 20:51 | chris | back |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | wb |
| 20:52 | chris | its blue skies, no wind and the sun is shining |
| 20:52 | good day | |
| 20:54 | Jo | Good morning all |
| 20:55 | chris | heya Jo |
| 20:59 | Jo | howaya |
| 20:59 | chris | loving the sun |
| 20:59 | Jo | yeah - it is nice. |
| 21:00 | was dreading opening my inbox this morning but its all good. | |
| 21:00 | chris | don't jinx it :) |
| 21:00 | Jo | hey what NZ time is the Koha meeting on the 5th |
| 21:00 | lol | |
| 21:00 | chris | its tonight |
| 21:00 | at 10pm | |
| 21:00 | Jo | oh thats cool. I can do that! |
| 21:03 | chris | heya Sharon |
| 21:03 | Sharon | howdy |
| 21:04 | Jo | hi Sharon |
| 21:06 | joetho | lets see - american central time would be... 2:00 pm? |
| 21:07 | Sharon | joe, it's 4 |
| 21:07 | you should know this... ;-) | |
| 21:07 | joetho | oh now you are just yankin my chain |
| 21:07 | Sharon | I trust my computer clock |
| 21:08 | joetho | like my brothers telling me that santa wasn't coming til noon that one christmas |
| 21:10 | ok ok ok , I looked it up. | |
| 21:11 | hmmm, no Christmas for me THIS year | |
| 22:23 | chris | awesome |
| 22:23 | just spent 1.5 hours proving that our code to parse the feed from the stock exchange is working right | |
| 22:49 | heh | |
| 22:52 | chris_n-2nd | hey chris |
| 22:52 | chris | hey chris_n-2nd, hows things? |
| 22:52 | hi ruth | |
| 22:53 | ruth | hi there |
| 22:53 | chris_n-2nd | chris: going in a general forward direction |
| 22:53 | chris | good to hear :) |
| 22:53 | ruth | hi |
| 22:54 | chris_n-2nd | chris: just grinding away at the "labels" rewrite... :-P |
| 22:54 | chris | rather you than me |
| 22:54 | ruth | new computer, making sure it works for tomorrow's chat. will try to be here by 6 am. |
| 22:54 | chris_n-2nd | hehe |
| 22:54 | chris | timezones are fun |
| 22:54 | ruth | dpm |
| 22:55 | oops. don't know which is worse. | |
| 23:03 | see you all tomorrow. | |
| 23:11 | pianohacker1 | I would argue, even in 2009, that a 1TB NAS for $160 is unnatural |
| 23:16 | chris | that is pretty damn cheap |
| 23:18 | pianohacker1 | New from Iomega on Newegg, even, not open box or bargain basement |
| 23:19 | chris | wow |
| 23:20 | i may have to get one delivered to my father in laws house hehe | |
| 23:50 | http://twitter.com/elliotkaye/statuses/3133155535 | |
| 23:52 | chris_n-2nd | heh |
| 23:53 | koha++ | |
| 03:18 | Amit | hi chris, brendan, Jo |
| 03:18 | good mrng #koha | |
| 03:18 | brendan | hi amit -- /me goes to cook dinner |
| 03:33 | Amit | brendan: today is meeting |
| 06:02 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 06:36 | chris | hi kf |
| 06:36 | kf | hi chris |
| 06:41 | chris | hi laurence and magnusenger |
| 06:41 | magnusenger | hi chris and everyone |
| 06:41 | chris | kf: much quieter day on the lists eh |
| 06:45 | kf | just came into office - forgot to shut down IRC and computer yesterday |
| 06:45 | ah mailing list... sorry, I m not really awake | |
| 06:45 | yeah, it got quiet | |
| 06:57 | indradg | hi all... a good afternoon from India :) |
| 07:02 | nicomo | hi all |
| 07:03 | chris: you're around? | |
| 07:09 | chris | mostly |
| 07:09 | :) | |
| 07:14 | indradg | hi nicomo |
| 07:14 | nicomo | hi indradg |
| 07:20 | kf | pootle drives me crazy :( "Ausliehen für" should be "Ausgeliehen an" - but cant find it :( |
| 07:21 | chris | yeah i use poedit |
| 07:37 | hi paul_p | |
| 07:37 | paul_p | hi chris |
| 07:38 | kf | hi paul |
| 07:38 | paul_p | hi kf |
| 07:39 | and hi to anyone else on this channel | |
| 08:17 | indradg | hi paul_p |
| 08:17 | paul_p | hi indradg |
| 08:31 | Amit | hi indradgm, paul_p |
| 08:34 | yesan | hello |
| 08:35 | i would like to know which of the linux flavour is stable for koha | |
| 08:35 | is anyone out there | |
| 08:36 | sorry for asking this question | |
| 08:36 | kf | we use ubuntu - but I dont know if its more stable than others |
| 08:36 | we had no problems so far | |
| 08:36 | yesan | ok |
| 08:37 | Amit | hi yesan |
| 08:37 | yesan | anyone else got a different |
| 08:37 | answer | |
| 08:37 | welcome amit | |
| 08:38 | chris | debian lenny |
| 08:38 | yesan | any more ansers |
| 08:38 | thanks lenny | |
| 08:38 | chris | people have installed it on pretty much every distro |
| 08:38 | Amit | chris: opensuse is not best? |
| 08:38 | yesan | k |
| 08:39 | chris | but lenny has almost all (if not all) the perl modules packaged |
| 08:39 | yesan | Chris??:) |
| 08:39 | chris | so you can apt-get them all on |
| 08:39 | yesan | on debian :) |
| 08:39 | ?? | |
| 08:39 | chris | yes |
| 08:39 | Amit | chris: but yast also not sure |
| 08:40 | chris | a lot of them are not packaged for other distros |
| 08:40 | paul_p | Amit: I bet suze lack some modules. Some are VERY specific, and are not in most distros |
| 08:41 | some have even be packaged in Debian Lenny because of the Koha dependancy. | |
| 08:41 | yesan | amit |
| 08:41 | chris | they are only in debian because a debian developer was working on packaging Koha |
| 08:41 | paul_p | the long term goal being to be able to do apt-get install koha |
| 08:41 | Amit | paul_p: yes ur right |
| 08:41 | yesan | i am getting better answers |
| 08:42 | that's great | |
| 08:42 | Chris, thank u | |
| 08:42 | Amit | chris: some one said me on IRC redhat problem with perl i forget her name |
| 08:42 | chris | karmic koala will be good to, because it will have all the modules packaged for lenny |
| 08:42 | jaunty is only missing a few | |
| 08:43 | but the real answer is | |
| 08:43 | you should use the distro you know best | |
| 08:43 | yesan | ok |
| 08:43 | chris | because you will have less problems that way |
| 08:43 | Amit | chris: this is right |
| 08:44 | for ex: Delhi public library uses koha on Centos-5.2 | |
| 08:45 | yesan | yes amit |
| 09:08 | chris | nicomo: do you know any drupal developers in paris? |
| 09:09 | nicomo | personaly, no |
| 09:09 | but that'd be easy to find | |
| 09:10 | chris | one of my colleagues at work, does the postgres support for drupal |
| 09:10 | and is off to drupalcon in paris in september | |
| 09:11 | nicomo | we'll be there |
| 09:11 | chris | so i was gonna give him some ppl to look up .. any biblibrans planning on going? |
| 09:11 | nicomo | Paul will be |
| 09:11 | chris | excellent :) |
| 09:12 | he will probably be the only maori there :) | |
| 09:12 | nicomo | and Jean-André (kivutar) |
| 09:12 | and I might go there for 1 day | |
| 09:12 | chris | so yell out Kia ora |
| 09:12 | and see who looks ;) | |
| 09:12 | nicomo | I have meetings in Paris during the same week |
| 09:12 | chris | cool |
| 09:12 | nicomo | eh eh will do |
| 09:14 | paul_p | chris: we will probably speak of SOPAC (with another SOPAC guy) |
| 09:14 | chris | excllent |
| 09:14 | slef | 45m before meeting? |
| 09:14 | chris | i will send an email tomorrow to you and him doing introductions :) |
| 09:15 | yes slef | |
| 09:15 | slef | cool |
| 09:16 | morning all | |
| 09:16 | nicomo | morning slef |
| 09:16 | paul_p | chris ++, thanks |
| 09:16 | slef | has someone sent a last reminder to koha-devel? |
| 09:17 | I've not read that mailbox in a few days | |
| 09:17 | chris | galen did yesterday |
| 09:17 | slef | cool, thanks gmcharlt |
| 09:17 | gmcharlt | hi folks |
| 09:17 | kf | good morning galen |
| 09:17 | chris | hi gmcharlt |
| 09:18 | slef | biab |
| 09:18 | kf | have to leave soon (my team goes on a boat trip today :) ) - but really interested in git tutorials |
| 09:18 | chris | ohh boat trip, lucky |
| 09:19 | kf | around island mainau - hope we will stay in the boats |
| 09:22 | Amit | hi galen |
| 09:33 | joetho | . |
| 09:34 | chris | hi joetho |
| 09:40 | paul_p | hi gmcharlt. It's very early for you isn't it ? |
| 09:40 | gmcharlt | paul_p: yes :) |
| 09:41 | bb in 10 minutes | |
| 09:51 | indradg | savitra, hi |
| 09:51 | savitra | hello indradg (indranil?) |
| 09:55 | indradg | savitra, any plans to conduct any koha sessions in Kolkata? |
| 09:56 | savitra | yes, in talks with a kolkata college to host the workshop. should know more in a couple of weeks.. |
| 09:56 | chris_n-2nd | g'morning #koha |
| 09:56 | savitra | likely in nov. |
| 09:56 | paul_p | chris_n-2nd: wow... complex nickname ;-) |
| 09:56 | chris_n-2nd | heh |
| 09:56 | hi paul | |
| 09:57 | indradg | chris_n-2nd, is it you mr. fellow IPL fan? =) |
| 09:57 | paul_p | (does it means it's chris nightswonger on his second computer ?) |
| 09:57 | chris_n-2nd | paul_p |
| 09:57 | jransom | hi all |
| 09:57 | indradg | jransom, hiya |
| 09:57 | chris_n-2nd | paul_p++ |
| 09:58 | mason | mason waves.... |
| 09:58 | Amit | heya jransom |
| 09:58 | hi mason | |
| 09:58 | indradg | savitra, good to hear that. there is some serious interest in the East, but very few movers |
| 09:58 | gmcharlt | back |
| 09:58 | indradg | gmcharlt, wb |
| 09:59 | gmcharlt | slef: if you don't mind, I'd like to volunteer you as notetaker and updater-of-the-meeting wiki page |
| 09:59 | kmkale | hi all |
| 09:59 | slef | gmcharlt: ok, this is all logged by work's server anyway :) |
| 09:59 | sekjal | morning, everyone! |
| 10:00 | gmcharlt | slef: thanks :) |
| 10:00 | IrmaCalyx | Good evening all |
| 10:00 | paul_p | mmm...11:59 in France, so yes it's still morning |
| 10:00 | oups... nope, it's no more morning now :D | |
| 10:00 | gmcharlt | ok, it's six o'clock EDT - do you know where your Koha Hacker is? |
| 10:00 | IrmaCalyx | past 8 pm in Sydney |
| 10:00 | gmcharlt | let's get started |
| 10:00 | slef | EDT always makes me smile... Eau De Toilette |
| 10:00 | Amit | 3:35pm in india |
| 10:00 | gmcharlt | first, let's do a round of intros |
| 10:00 | gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, release manager | |
| 10:01 | dbirmingham | I want to be in Sydney |
| 10:01 | jdavidb | jdavidb eq J. David Bavousett, PTFS |
| 10:01 | jransom | Joann Ransom. Horowhenua Library Trust. NZ |
| 10:01 | jwagner | jwagner = Jane Wagner, PTFS |
| 10:01 | chris | chris = chris cormack, translation manager 10pm here :) |
| 10:01 | slef | slef = MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 10:01 | sekjal | sekjal: NYU Health Sciences Libraries |
| 10:01 | IrmaCalyx | irmacalyx = Irma Birchall from CALYX information essentials |
| 10:02 | dbirmingham | => David Birmingham, PTFS |
| 10:02 | paul_p | paul_p = Paul Poulain, France, from BibLibre, reprensenting hdl, ( 3.0 RMaint), that is in vacation |
| 10:02 | savitra | savitra, Nucsoft OSS labs..hello all |
| 10:02 | magnusenger | = Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:02 | chris_n-2nd | chris_n_2nd (&& chris_n) = chris nighswonger, FBC |
| 10:02 | Colin | Colin pyfs-europe Ji |
| 10:02 | kf | Katrin Fischer, BSZ - leaving in half an hour, will log chat |
| 10:03 | schuster | schuster = David Schuster Plano ISD Plano TX |
| 10:03 | mason | = mason james, new zealand |
| 10:03 | kmkale | Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation Thane India and www.granthalaya.org |
| 10:03 | indradg | indradg == Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, Kolkata, India... hi all |
| 10:03 | Amit | Amit Gupta Nucsoft osslabs |
| 10:04 | gmcharlt | ok thanks to all attendees, especially those getting up early or staying up late to attend |
| 10:04 | the page for this meeting on the wiki is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09aug05 | |
| 10:05 | paul_p | (or is hungry because it's lunch time :D ) |
| 10:05 | gmcharlt | and the agenda items are |
| 10:05 | 1.Update on Roadmap to 3.2 | |
| 10:05 | 2.Update on Koha 3.0 Roadmap | |
| 10:05 | 3.Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting 1 July 2009 | |
| 10:05 | 4.Management of KohaSocialNetworks | |
| 10:05 | 5.Tutorials for new contributors | |
| 10:05 | so without further ado | |
| 10:05 | there has been some craziness recently | |
| 10:06 | but I will say this, and no more | |
| 10:06 | I join with everybody in applauding LibLime for their contributions to Koha | |
| 10:06 | and encourage many more fruitful years of a global collaboration on a great open source ILS | |
| 10:07 | so moving on to specifics | |
| 10:07 | thanks to hdl, we're getting closer to having a stabilized new_acq branch ready to push out to head | |
| 10:07 | I encourage people to check out (or even checkout) the koha-biblibre.git tree hosted on git.koha.org | |
| 10:07 | and also note the use of a new topic branch for their SOPAC stuff | |
| 10:08 | which will be another good addition | |
| 10:08 | chris | *nod* |
| 10:08 | Wizzyrea_ | biblibre++ |
| 10:08 | gmcharlt | last meeting I said that would would declare feature freeze at the end of the August |
| 10:08 | so now, to (re)set a firm date | |
| 10:08 | paul_p | the SOPAC stuff could probably be added quickly on main trunk, as it has strictly no consequences on the rest o fKoha |
| 10:09 | note also that on biblibre branch, there are a LOT of other new features than new acq | |
| 10:09 | let me summarize a few of them : | |
| 10:09 | gmcharlt | feature freeze I'm calling for the end of the day, Sunday, 6 September 2009 |
| 10:09 | paul_p: please wait a second | |
| 10:09 | paul_p | ok |
| 10:09 | gmcharlt | that will give time for us to discuss any last minute stuff at the next IRC meeting (which will be 2 September) |
| 10:10 | before feature freeze | |
| 10:10 | ok, paul_p, please go ahead | |
| 10:10 | chris | sounds good to me |
| 10:10 | paul_p | I wanted to point that there are a lot of other new features, not only new_acq. |
| 10:10 | we have counted, that's something like 350 patches | |
| 10:10 | 200 for new_acq, 150 for the others new features | |
| 10:10 | for example : | |
| 10:11 | - move an item from a biblio to another one (in case of a mistake) | |
| 10:11 | - merge biblios | |
| 10:11 | - add basket facilities to staff (like in OPAC) | |
| 10:11 | - enable many export format for biblios | |
| 10:11 | - interactive merge of biblios | |
| 10:11 | schuster | *applause* |
| 10:12 | paul_p | (all of them sponsored by Aix-Marseille universities) |
| 10:12 | sekjal | paul_p: we were just thinking of an item-moving tool... that's excellent! |
| 10:12 | jransom | you guys are great - well done |
| 10:12 | paul_p | and many more, that I don't remember atm |
| 10:12 | chris | do you think you would be able to do a page listing them? |
| 10:12 | kf | biblibre++ |
| 10:12 | gmcharlt | other cool stuff that I hope gets in before feature freeze |
| 10:12 | paul_p | chris, no, I think we MUST do a page listing them ;-) |
| 10:12 | chris | paul_p++ |
| 10:12 | gmcharlt | * labels rewrite by chris_n-2nd |
| 10:13 | Wizzyrea_ | Aix-Marseille++ |
| 10:13 | gmcharlt | paul_p: yes, you must, I command it :) |
| 10:13 | * sysprefs editor by pianohacker | |
| 10:13 | mason | FYI: i have a recent interactive-merge tool from kapiti-libraries |
| 10:13 | paul_p | gmcharlt: sir, yes sir ! |
| 10:13 | gmcharlt | * RFID stuff from slef and gang (yes? pretty-please) |
| 10:14 | slef | gmcharlt: yes, can do |
| 10:14 | jransom | we hungry for rfid stuff too |
| 10:14 | mason | and a bunch of devs/features ready to get commited |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | plus bunch o'stuff from PTFS |
| 10:14 | mason | chris_n, thanks for the labels tidy-up too! |
| 10:14 | slef | jransom: we're using TRF7960 chips bit I also had it working with another one. What's yours? |
| 10:14 | s/bit/but | |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | in conjunction with all of the new stuff, I have a couple requests re bugs |
| 10:14 | jransom | techlogic |
| 10:15 | Chris is our Guru :) | |
| 10:15 | gmcharlt | first, I am calling for a concentrated effort for people to close out any bugs that are actually fixed |
| 10:15 | slef | ok, will follow up later so hopefully we can make it work with all three :) |
| 10:16 | gmcharlt | second, I'd like interested people to go through and start marking bugs that are potential blockers and criticals |
| 10:16 | the blockers and criticals I'm particularly interested in are: | |
| 10:16 | * UTF-8 issues | |
| 10:16 | * circ stuff, for which we really need more automated test cases | |
| 10:17 | I'd also like to propose a couple bug-squashing sessions | |
| 10:17 | perhaps one this month if we can fit it in | |
| 10:17 | and one or two after feature freeze | |
| 10:17 | chris | bug squashing sessions are fun |
| 10:17 | paul_p | in october, BibLibre plans to organize an internal hackfest/coderun (1 week with all developpers working on koha). |
| 10:18 | gmcharlt | as far as the roadmap is concerned, obviously with what's going on it's a bit uncertain what will make it into 3.2 as such |
| 10:18 | so I'll be decding based on the calendar | |
| 10:19 | and setting up a post-3.2 branch for pushing any new features submitted after feature freeze | |
| 10:19 | paul_p | gmcharlt: this month, matts is working on new_acq, to improve some things and fix some bugs (full time) |
| 10:19 | gmcharlt | if we end up with a flurry of submissions after 6 September, I may reconsider the feature freeze, but only if we're looking a bunch of submitted stuff that's complete, not just work in progress |
| 10:20 | chris | that sounds sensible |
| 10:20 | gmcharlt | as far as roadmap page is concerned, I'll be editing with my best guesses and information about what will end up in 3.2 |
| 10:20 | chris | hopefully in the next week or 2 we might get a clearer idea of what will make it in |
| 10:20 | gmcharlt | and although it's a little too soon to discuss in great detail, we'll need to think about the next version, whether it will be a 3.4 or a 4.0 |
| 10:21 | chris | i guess it depends on how much makes it into 3.2 |
| 10:21 | gmcharlt | i.e., 3.4 = more incremental changes, 4.0 = the re-architecting that varous of us have been making noises about for the past year |
| 10:21 | slef | also whether we want to make any earth-shattering changes |
| 10:21 | chris | my one point would be |
| 10:22 | that if we do do a 4.0 | |
| 10:22 | slef | maybe during the freeze we should poll users, once they can see the probable featureset of 3.2? |
| 10:22 | chris | we should be careful to make sure we do plenty of interim releases |
| 10:22 | good idea slef | |
| 10:23 | gmcharlt | related to features |
| 10:23 | I also call for active Koha devs and vendors to publish public git trees with well-organized topic branches | |
| 10:23 | for their work in progress | |
| 10:23 | davi | the problem is lose customer |
| 10:24 | due to bad competence behavior | |
| 10:24 | paul_p | davi: lose customer ??? |
| 10:24 | gmcharlt | I will be very happy, and feel ever-so-slightly like Linus, if I get to merge in at least one new feature in 3.2 via a pull request |
| 10:24 | schuster | When will you decide on a release manager as that will impact if it were a 3.4/4.0 would it not? |
| 10:24 | chris | not really |
| 10:25 | slef | I think choosing 3.4 or 4.0 will impact on the RM choice |
| 10:25 | schuster | ok |
| 10:25 | matts | :; |
| 10:25 | davi | paul_p, say I have a EDIFACT work in progress. I would like to resell it to two or even 3 customers before publishing it |
| 10:25 | paul_p | schuster: there will be something after 3.2, for sure, so we will need a new RM anyway ;-) |
| 10:25 | gmcharlt | schuster: I imagine that discussion will start in September, at least formally, but don't imagine a decision being made before October unless somebody jumps in raring to go with a good proposal for 3.4/4.0 |
| 10:27 | paul_p | davi: 1- someone else may publish some EDIFACT work before you release it. 2- that would be much more complex to deal with, from a technical point of view. But all those 2 problems would be yours ! |
| 10:27 | gmcharlt | given the state of flux, I now don't expect to do a 3.1-alpha tarball until right after feature freeze |
| 10:28 | before we move on to 3.0 update from paul_p, questions about 3.2? | |
| 10:28 | davi | paul_p, If I publish my work in progress it would be a lot lot more probable that someone else publish some EDIFACT work before I release |
| 10:28 | indradg | paul_p++, release-early-release-often |
| 10:28 | slef | gmcharlt: any idea how soon will you update roadmap3.2? |
| 10:28 | chris | davi working in secret always causes more problems than it solves |
| 10:29 | davi | I know chris, but I fear a lot :( |
| 10:29 | paul_p | davi: that would be good news for you, as you could get benefit too ! |
| 10:29 | slef | davi: need to structure payment carefully so you get paid for developing, not for supply. But this isn't much of a 3.2 issue. |
| 10:29 | gmcharlt | slef: I'm giving myself a deadline of 12 August for that |
| 10:29 | slef | gmcharlt: noted. thanks. |
| 10:29 | davi | ok slef |
| 10:29 | slef | no more Qs from me |
| 10:30 | gmcharlt | ok, on to you paul_p |
| 10:31 | btw, hdl++ for releasing 3.0.3 | |
| 10:31 | paul_p | hdl finished the 3.0 / head reconciliation. So a 3.0.4 should be ready soon. it includes all bugfixes & some improvements that LibLime already deployed on some customers (thus the name "reconciliation branch". |
| 10:31 | schuster | Again I might request people to enter enhancements they are "working on" in bugs.koha.org so everyone knows they are being enhanced or can connect with interested parties. |
| 10:32 | paul_p | with 3.0.4, we can have 3.0.x branch going his way, and head going his way |
| 10:32 | before leaving for vacation hdl called for some tests on 3.0.4 | |
| 10:33 | dunno if he had some feedback, i don't read his mails ;-) | |
| 10:33 | chris | i have the branch running here |
| 10:33 | paul_p | he will be back next monday |
| 10:33 | chris | havent hit any big obvious errors |
| 10:33 | paul_p | I think he will "string freeze" and ask for translation quite quickly |
| 10:34 | and the translation process should not be too long, as there are not zillions of string changes | |
| 10:34 | (my feeling, did not check any numbers) | |
| 10:35 | chris | yeah there arent many changes |
| 10:35 | paul_p | I don't know when 3.0.4 can be published. But would be good to have it in september (early, or middle ?) |
| 10:36 | gmcharlt | paul_p: I vote for early |
| 10:36 | paul_p | me too, but that will depend on translator speed i think |
| 10:36 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 10:37 | chris | we need to give translators at least a week, preferably 2 |
| 10:37 | chris_n-2nd | paul_p: the labels rewrite is being done over the 3.0.x code base and so should apply easily to it if you are interested |
| 10:37 | chris | so we can try to get some of the other languages finished too |
| 10:37 | schuster | Is there a write up of the label rewrite someplace so some of us know what is involved? |
| 10:38 | paul_p | chris_n-2nd: in theory, it's interesting. But a lot of new features could be added too. So I think it's better to concentrate on new features for 3.2 |
| 10:38 | gmcharlt | chris_n-2nd: I'd prefer that it go into 3.2 first |
| 10:38 | slef | schuster: brief discussion on mailing list last week |
| 10:38 | paul_p | (that's almost the same question jwagner just asked me privatly !!!) |
| 10:38 | 3.2 should not be that far, so I prefer having all the features into it | |
| 10:38 | jwagner | Yes, I haven't been through a major release yet. What would be the target timing for 3.2 release? |
| 10:38 | chris_n-2nd | schuster: basically we are shooting for the same level of functionality as currently exists for starters |
| 10:39 | gmcharlt | jwagner: after feature freeze, about a month for intensive bugfixing + translators getting started |
| 10:39 | slef | jwagner: freeze early September and then it depends how quickly you/we test and fix the remaining bugs |
| 10:39 | gmcharlt | then a string freeze, and translations finishing up |
| 10:39 | so ideally, late October | |
| 10:39 | chris_n-2nd | schuster: minimal new features (like single label printing) will be added and bugfixes on this round |
| 10:40 | gmcharlt | but as slef says, the bug count will ultimately drive the timing |
| 10:40 | slef | jwagner: past major releases are not an indicator of future performance, happily. |
| 10:40 | jwagner | OK, that's good to know for planning. Thanks. |
| 10:40 | gmcharlt | at any rate, I don't plan to release with open blockers |
| 10:40 | anythign more to say about 3.0? | |
| 10:41 | paul_p | gmcharlt: no. |
| 10:41 | gmcharlt | (back in a minute - time to wake up my wife) |
| 10:41 | paul_p | but something about 3.2 |
| 10:41 | schuster | Great code...:) |
| 10:42 | paul_p | if i'm not mistaken, noone at BibLibre has written the script to updatedatabase smoothly for new_acq, for libraries that uses acquisitions in 3.0. So, it basically means : you'll loose all your acquisitions stats. hdl should work on that this month I think/hope |
| 10:42 | s/mistaken/mistaking/ | |
| 10:43 | jwagner | paul_p your new acq does not include EDI, does it? |
| 10:43 | gmcharlt | back |
| 10:43 | nicomo | jwagner: no it does not |
| 10:43 | gmcharlt | paul_p: yeah, make that update work will definitely be a blocker bug for 3.2 |
| 10:43 | paul_p | jwagner: right, there's nothing about EDI (not requested by SAN-OP, that sponsored new_acq) |
| 10:43 | jwagner | OK, thanks. |
| 10:44 | gmcharlt | so on to next agenda item |
| 10:44 | action items from last meeting | |
| 10:44 | 1. the welcome message for the Koha mailing list is in fact - thanks to nengard and everybody who worked on drafting it | |
| 10:44 | 2. slef: any luck munging the wiki edit log for the relicensing? | |
| 10:45 | hi nengard | |
| 10:45 | paul_p | davi: just FYI => the SAN-OP funding for new_acq was not complete, something like 50%. but it improves global quality of Koha, so we think it will be easier to convince libraries to use it, so more incomes for BibLibre |
| 10:45 | nengard | hiya - I assume I missed the meeting :( |
| 10:45 | paul_p | hey... |
| 10:45 | gmcharlt leave to wake up his wife and ... nengard arrives. are those events related ? | |
| 10:45 | gmcharlt | nengard: we're on egenda item #3, so still in time for your #4 and #5 |
| 10:45 | paul_p | :D |
| 10:45 | gmcharlt | paul_p: umm, no :) |
| 10:45 | chris | nengard: no koha meeting has ever taken less than 1 hour :) |
| 10:46 | davi | I know paul_p |
| 10:46 | slef | gmcharlt: not yet, but hope to start the process between now and next meeting. Seemed a good idea to let it run into the academic year anyway. |
| 10:46 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 10:46 | there was discussion of making loose guidelines for command-line script argument processing | |
| 10:46 | nengard | chris i have been on meetings that are less than an hour :) but glad i made it in time for some of the agenda |
| 10:46 | sorry for oversleeping | |
| 10:47 | gmcharlt | somebody made the change to the coding guidlines on the wiki, and as they seem fine and I haven't heard any problems with it, they stand |
| 10:47 | interim 3.1 alpha didn't happen, obviously - as I said earlier, will do an alpha tarball after feature freeze | |
| 10:48 | I still have admin access to bugs.koha.org, so will be working on some of that sometime this month, though it will be a sideline to working on 3.2 itself | |
| 10:48 | and I think that's it for #3, unless people have questions | |
| 10:48 | if not, #4 is management of Koha Social Networks | |
| 10:48 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ohasocialnetworks | |
| 10:49 | nengard: that's your agenda item, so please go ahead | |
| 10:49 | slef | gmcharlt: nengard: I added it |
| 10:49 | gmcharlt | slef: oops, ok, you go ahead then :) |
| 10:49 | nengard | slef - didn't think it was me :) |
| 10:49 | slef | basically, what are we doing? Are we allowing almost anyone into all of them? |
| 10:49 | or should some of them be limited to users and developers? | |
| 10:49 | nengard | here's the link to the ones I knew of: http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/archives/662 |
| 10:50 | slef | nengard: I copied that to the wiki.koha.org and added some more I think |
| 10:50 | nengard | slef I have been letting anyone join them but admins are only developers and users |
| 10:50 | thanks slef!! | |
| 10:51 | gmcharlt | I think it would be a good idea to put the list of the admins for each network on the wiki page |
| 10:51 | nengard | also slef and I worked on updating the Yahoo Pipe to add some sites I had missed so those are now going out to the kohails twitter users |
| 10:51 | slef | ok - and when do we remove someone? (spam?) |
| 10:51 | nengard | gmcharlt I can do that |
| 10:51 | slef | basically we need to be singing from the same song sheet on this, minimally |
| 10:52 | nengard | we can remove them for spam - are we getting any on any of the networks - |
| 10:52 | gmcharlt | slef: to propose a guideline, if somebody's contributions on a particular network are not majority Koha related, they can be removed |
| 10:52 | nengard | seems that most people who join these things are looking for us to give them info |
| 10:52 | gmcharlt | obviously, any viagra spam or the like can be shot on sight |
| 10:52 | nengard | hehe |
| 10:52 | slef | gmcharlt: ok. What do others think of that? |
| 10:52 | chris | works for me |
| 10:53 | nengard | i'm fine with it - except that there are some networks we can't remove people from |
| 10:53 | indradg | gmcharlt,++ |
| 10:53 | nengard | if someone uses the koha hashtag on twitter with viagra spam - I can't stop them .... |
| 10:53 | slef | nengard: can you label which those are? |
| 10:53 | Wizzyrea_ | fine by me |
| 10:53 | nengard | slef - twitter is the only one that comes to mind - I will have to look into the others - as i've never had to remove anyone before :) |
| 10:54 | slef | I think we don't have any yet, but shall we say that networks which are just koha users and developers are "social" and don't have the "majority Koha" requirement? |
| 10:54 | nengard | slef++ |
| 10:55 | slef | heh, there's http://identi.ca/peopletag/koha but it doesn't have many members yet |
| 10:55 | gmcharlt | slef: sounds good to me |
| 10:55 | Wizzyrea_ | slef++ |
| 10:55 | nengard | slef will join when meeting is over :) |
| 10:55 | slef | ok... nengard and slef to coordinate update of the wiki page |
| 10:55 | gmcharlt | slef: I don't know if it's been an issue for the planet, but if say somebody has a general blog where they talk about Koha 25% of the time and other stuff 75%, that may be a candidate for encourage them to make a topic-specific feed |
| 10:55 | slef | gmcharlt: yes, we've done that |
| 10:55 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 10:56 | slef | both mine and chris's are like that - maybe others are too |
| 10:56 | nengard | I too have koha specific feeds |
| 10:56 | chris | i have topic feeds |
| 10:56 | gmcharlt | good enough |
| 10:56 | chris | i dont think the planet is using it tho |
| 10:56 | gmcharlt | anything more on social networks? |
| 10:56 | nengard | and just as an FYI - for the Pipe I always picked the Koha feed if there was one |
| 10:57 | jransom | (off to bed - night all) |
| 10:57 | nengard | nothing more from me on social networks |
| 10:57 | paul_p | bye jransom. |
| 10:57 | nengard | sleep tight jransom |
| 10:57 | slef | nothing from me |
| 10:58 | gmcharlt | ok, last agenda item, organizing tutorials for new contributors |
| 10:58 | nengard | that was added by me |
| 10:58 | dbirmingham | Interested |
| 10:59 | davi | for Git, just link to http://progit.org/book/ |
| 10:59 | nengard | davi i learn better when i see things in action |
| 10:59 | gmcharlt | davi: I think the idea was for something a little more interactive, where a few Koha old hands would show newbies the ropes |
| 10:59 | nengard | i was thinking of us being able to join a webinar or screensharing session of some sort |
| 10:59 | sekjal | me, too. plus, we have local Koha practices on top of what Git can do |
| 10:59 | davi | that book is completely free, updated and a very very basic introduction |
| 10:59 | nengard | i want to help out, but i have to admin i'm scared I'll mess something up |
| 11:00 | gmcharlt | heh: http://www.indexdata.com/blog/[…]ns-screen-sharing |
| 11:00 | nengard | so i only do small patches right now |
| 11:00 | slef | gmcharlt: erm, been doing that for aaages :) |
| 11:00 | gmcharlt | so it looks like we have a few things to decide |
| 11:01 | topic - Git & Koha Git usage seems to be it | |
| 11:01 | pie | hi guys, just thought I'd say hi and say something about new contributors |
| 11:01 | nengard | I'd add -- topic - file locations and editing the db |
| 11:01 | Colin | Some folk find http://gitcasts.com/ useful |
| 11:01 | pie | I mean, I'm happy with Git but with Koha, it's kinda hard where to know where to start :) |
| 11:01 | gmcharlt | who - I volunteer to help facilitate (and pontificate), but would like another volunteer or two |
| 11:01 | sekjal | a summary of our coding guidelines would be good as a reminder, as well |
| 11:01 | pie | I got it up and running once, but wasn't sure what to look at next |
| 11:02 | nengard | sekjal maybe someone can put that on the wiki - that's something I can read :) |
| 11:02 | gmcharlt | so topic 2: how to navigate Koha's codebase including file locations |
| 11:02 | paul_p | jdavidb: sometimes, "half geeks" are easier to understand for "true newbies" |
| 11:02 | gmcharlt | nengard: what do you mean by editing the DB? |
| 11:02 | jdavidb | Only to you, nengard. :P |
| 11:02 | jwagner | I have a Webex account -- we could probably host a session. |
| 11:02 | paul_p | i've had hard time starting with git, because I found only "high level" tutorials |
| 11:03 | nengard | gmcharlt sorry distracted - i meant how to edit the codebase when it alters the database - example there are typos in the syspref definitions that I could easily fix if I knew where to go and what needed doing |
| 11:03 | jdavidb | I've been cobbling together a cookbook-style tutorial here, that might be useful. |
| 11:03 | gmcharlt | topic 3 - coding database updates |
| 11:03 | slef | jwagner: isn't webex another blasted java application mislabelled as a webinar? |
| 11:04 | paul_p | nengard: the syspref problem will be killed by jesse patches (but your core question still relevant) |
| 11:04 | slef | oh it annoys me |
| 11:04 | jwagner | slef, dunno what drives it but I've used it successfully for years (training and individual troubleshooting) |
| 11:04 | nengard | paul_p - yipppppppeeeeeee |
| 11:04 | indradg | slef, and prolly one has to pay to use webex? |
| 11:04 | gmcharlt | indradg: hosts do, users do not |
| 11:04 | slef | if it's called a webinar it should work in a web browser without downloading applications |
| 11:04 | indradg | gmcharlt, thanks... didnt know that |
| 11:04 | slef | which usually aren't available and aren't cooperatively-developed |
| 11:04 | nengard | I mentioned earlier that WebHuddle and DImDim are open source options |
| 11:05 | chris | i think a lot can be done in an irc session |
| 11:05 | nengard | but I have never been able to get the VOIP parts of them working |
| 11:05 | paul_p | i've a mail from him asking how to translate the file he plans to do. It's just a yaml file |
| 11:05 | nengard | chris - I really need/want to see the screen as the edits are made - it makes all the difference to me |
| 11:05 | paul_p | so, no more definitions in the DB itself (it was a stupid idea -from me iirc- ) |
| 11:05 | chris | where someone picks a bug, and fixes it, talking people through what they are doing |
| 11:05 | slef | IRC with a screen may be the simplest |
| 11:05 | chris | yep |
| 11:05 | paul_p | slef++ |
| 11:05 | nengard | slef++ |
| 11:05 | slef | could probably even have screen for those who want that and screencast it for those who prefer that |
| 11:06 | although I'm not up-to-date on screencasting | |
| 11:06 | joetho | jingo |
| 11:06 | slef | I used x2x which was like 10 years ago |
| 11:06 | and timbuktu 15 years ago | |
| 11:06 | Wizzyrea_ | joetho: it uses flash, expect protest |
| 11:06 | nengard | hehe |
| 11:06 | slef | Wizzyrea_: I don't mind as long as it's not the only route. |
| 11:07 | nengard | i like the screencasting idea because we can record that and put it up for those who can't attend sessions and for future community members |
| 11:07 | nicomo | nengard++ |
| 11:07 | paul_p | nengard++ |
| 11:07 | gmcharlt | well, I expect we can organize something that uses screen(1) as well as other screencasting options |
| 11:07 | paul_p | nicomo already did some screencasts |
| 11:07 | schuster | Nengard ++ |
| 11:07 | paul_p | (in french, for some customers) |
| 11:07 | slef | I just feel it's wrong to expect people to use non-FOSS to get started developing FOSS |
| 11:07 | paul_p | (very very usefull) |
| 11:07 | chris | slef++ |
| 11:07 | nengard | paul_p was going to ask where they were - but unfortunatly I don't know French :( |
| 11:08 | slef | (eating our own dogfood IYKWIM) |
| 11:08 | nengard | NEKLS has some awesome ones - but they're not about developement |
| 11:08 | Wizzyrea_ | it's too early for me to parse the intricacies of human social interaction. |
| 11:08 | davi | instead x2x maybe we could try "Neatx NX server" which is a lot quicker in low connections |
| 11:08 | slef | gmcharlt: "Sorry, you don't have enough rights to continue. Perhaps you forgot to login?" |
| 11:08 | nengard | i have some FOSS screencasting apps bookmarked |
| 11:08 | slef | gmcharlt: from wiki, which is odd because I've been actively editing during the last hour |
| 11:08 | nicomo | beyond this particular issue with git I think nengard's point really is we need to do a better job helping non-coders help in, right? |
| 11:09 | slef | nengard: can we pretest them? |
| 11:09 | nengard | nicomo absolutely |
| 11:09 | chris | and coders |
| 11:09 | paul_p | nengard: try http://www.biblibre.com/node/112 for some example (it's about koha, so even if you don't understand french, you should understand the context) |
| 11:09 | gmcharlt | slef: odd - there's a timeout, but I ubmped that up ages ago |
| 11:09 | nengard | slef - don't remember - let me get you the links |
| 11:09 | Wizzyrea_ | well, if you have an army of semi-geeks able to fix typos that makes it easier, right? |
| 11:09 | gmcharlt | slef: possible glitch in dokuwiki's OpenID support? |
| 11:09 | slef | gmcharlt: can't be timeout because I've been editing. It's like there's some maximum session length. |
| 11:10 | nengard | http://delicious.com/nengard/o[…]source+screencast |
| 11:10 | slef | gmcharlt: possible. Thought I'd let you know in case you get more reports. |
| 11:10 | gmcharlt | slef: ok, thanks |
| 11:10 | slef | nengard: ta |
| 11:10 | gmcharlt | nicomo, nengard: what it sounds like this is becoming is a need for a series of tutorial sessions |
| 11:11 | nengard | i'm up for that!! |
| 11:11 | gmcharlt | possibly as something that's regularly scheduled |
| 11:11 | nicomo | +1 |
| 11:11 | gmcharlt | monthly or bimonthly, perhaps |
| 11:11 | Wizzyrea_ | Koha Uni |
| 11:11 | nengard | love it Wizzyrea_ |
| 11:11 | we can start a chanel on blip.tv and/or youtube | |
| 11:11 | nicomo | the Brand: start with a brand ;- |
| 11:11 | gmcharlt | Wizzyrea_++ |
| 11:11 | slef | chris: what's "welcome" in maori? |
| 11:12 | chris | theres a bunch |
| 11:12 | nau mai | |
| 11:12 | nicomo | not too formal then |
| 11:12 | chris | haere mai |
| 11:12 | davi | gmcharlt, I would propose the creation of a mailing list specific to teaching, announce new screencasts, etc. because it is lot hard read all the email in the dev list |
| 11:12 | slef | chris: "welcome to koha" or "invitation to koha"? |
| 11:13 | nengard | davi I recommend instead a blog or a rss feed of some sort :) |
| 11:13 | chris | watea, powhiri, pohiri |
| 11:13 | nengard | too many mailing lists |
| 11:13 | slef | blip.tv and youtube both work most of the time |
| 11:13 | gmcharlt | davi: I think a koha-newbies list is a good idea, but for it to work, enough people have to commit to helping out on it for it to be effective |
| 11:13 | davi | nengard, yes, something like that ... |
| 11:13 | gmcharlt | otherwise, it will become ignored |
| 11:13 | chris | Nau mai ki a Koha |
| 11:13 | nengard | slef i was thinking of trying to reach out to the world using a popular tool :) we can post them on our own blog too |
| 11:13 | chris | welcome to koha |
| 11:13 | slef | Does everyone here know blog.gmane.org makes some of the koha lists available as blogs? |
| 11:13 | nengard | we can set up a WP blog with multiple users accounts and we can all post our tutorials |
| 11:13 | indradg | nengard, you can use Istanbul for doing the screencasting... can even do a voiceover |
| 11:14 | nengard | oooo - can you tell i'm getting excited :) hehe |
| 11:14 | dbirmingham | davi: I don't believe it would work |
| 11:14 | Wizzyrea_ | could also do something like the planet |
| 11:14 | nengard | indradg these all have voice recording too: http://delicious.com/nengard/o[…]source+screencast |
| 11:14 | gmcharlt | slef: if we go with the blog route, is your offer to set up WP-MU blogs still open? |
| 11:14 | Wizzyrea_ | where peeople can add their feeds |
| 11:14 | slef | (the links to blog.gmane.org have recently gone from koha.org I think) |
| 11:14 | Wizzyrea_ | for koha tutorial |
| 11:15 | slef | gmcharlt: yes, I need to do it anyway (our job reference 1123) |
| 11:15 | nicomo | I like nengard's idea of going where people are: blip.tv or youtube |
| 11:15 | joetho | I think it is important to link to (and back from) existing sites, like koha.org |
| 11:15 | davi | dbirmingham, we need some central point to post all the tutorial, etc. material |
| 11:15 | slef | Wizzyrea_: our MU has FeedWordpress installed |
| 11:15 | dbirmingham | Looks like reply fail for me. Sorry! |
| 11:16 | joetho | too many websites ! |
| 11:16 | Wizzyrea_ | nicomo: me too, fwiw |
| 11:16 | nengard | hehe |
| 11:16 | sekjal | so, its sounding like we're looking at asynchronous presentation of these tutorials. Is there still interest in a live presentation? |
| 11:16 | and if so, when? | |
| 11:16 | schuster | Could they not be linked from the development page? |
| 11:16 | nengard | sekjal |
| 11:16 | joetho | yes! |
| 11:16 | nengard | yes |
| 11:16 | gmcharlt | schuster: umm, I'm *not* in favor of disallowing links for any reason |
| 11:16 | kmkale | yes please |
| 11:16 | slef | joetho: you'll need to ask koha.org's editors about that. |
| 11:16 | nengard | schuster gmcharlt we can put links all over the place |
| 11:17 | but i like the idea of a central repository | |
| 11:17 | schuster | Well we are all koha.org editors now if you login are we not? |
| 11:17 | slef | sekjal: presentation with live Q+A? |
| 11:17 | schuster: did something change in the last week? | |
| 11:17 | joetho | nengard: yes, centralize |
| 11:17 | nengard | schuster you are able to add if you login - and edit your own stuff - but not edit other stuff |
| 11:17 | sekjal | slef: something like that, sure |
| 11:17 | schuster | i LOVE central repository.. |
| 11:17 | gmcharlt | that gets recorded for posterity on blip.tv/youtube/and a central Koha Uni blog .. |
| 11:17 | schuster | Ah sorry... I've been on vacation remember... |
| 11:18 | davi | nengard++ for central repository, else it would be a nightmare of coordination |
| 11:18 | nengard | hehe |
| 11:18 | slef | learn.koha.org :) |
| 11:18 | kmkale | central repo++ |
| 11:18 | nengard | okay - in the interest of time i say that I set up a page on the wiki where we can all get the specifics outlined |
| 11:18 | Wizzyrea_ | there ya go slef |
| 11:18 | paul_p | slef++ |
| 11:18 | joetho | I also like the idea of a Delete Czar who can consolidate and streamline what is beginning to become a somewhat bloated web presence. If I may be so bold. |
| 11:18 | davi | learn.koha.org ++ |
| 11:18 | nengard | i will post all of our suggestions and unanswered questions |
| 11:18 | gmcharlt | nengard++ # wiki |
| 11:19 | slef++ # learn.koha.org | |
| 11:19 | schuster | Thanks to nengard the documentation guru... |
| 11:19 | slef | nengard: can you link it from http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]_new_contributors please? |
| 11:19 | chris | joetho: the *.koha.org sites? |
| 11:19 | nengard | absolutely slef |
| 11:20 | chris | joetho: or someone who goes round the web hackng peoples websites to remove stuff? |
| 11:20 | slef | ok... if anyone who arrived late wants adding to http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]09aug05#attendees please tell me now |
| 11:21 | nengard | slef i arrived late |
| 11:21 | schuster | Too much power. |
| 11:21 | Wizzyrea_ | me too |
| 11:21 | gmcharlt | chris: well obviously you have to give the czar a big red delete button first |
| 11:21 | ruth | me also |
| 11:21 | dbirmingham | davi: I may have been off point. Early in my day for me :-) |
| 11:21 | davi | slef, add me with my coop name |
| 11:21 | slef | please tell me "Name, Organisation/Affiliation" |
| 11:21 | gmcharlt | chris: whether you hook it up to anything is a different question ;) |
| 11:21 | chris | hehe |
| 11:21 | slef | so I don't embarrass myself getting them wrong ;-) |
| 11:21 | Wizzyrea_ | Liz Rea, NEKLS |
| 11:21 | davi | np dbirmingham |
| 11:22 | ruth | Ruth Vargas, Howard County Library |
| 11:22 | nengard | slef: nengard = Nicole Engard / Koha Doc Manager/LibLime |
| 11:22 | slef | Currently locked by: indradg |
| 11:22 | indradg: let me know when you're done, please | |
| 11:22 | davi | slef, "Davi Diaz, software.coop" |
| 11:22 | indradg | slef, done.... was correcting a small typo |
| 11:23 | gmcharlt | looks like we're winding down - any last minute stuff that anybody wants to bring up in the next two minutes? |
| 11:24 | slef | ok, anyone else needs to add themselves |
| 11:24 | gmcharlt | *BONG* |
| 11:24 | slef | or beg smeone else |
| 11:24 | schuster | gmcharlt - great work... Now I'm off for more coffee and a shower and off to work! |
| 11:24 | gmcharlt | thanks everybody for attending |
| 11:24 | next meeting will be 2 September - I'll send an email | |
| 11:24 | nengard | thanks all - sorry for being late |
| 11:24 | but i'm very excited | |
| 11:24 | paul_p | thanks to everybody waked up early ;-) |
| 11:25 | schuster | gmcharlt thanks again for being a great RM! |
| 11:25 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 11:25 | jdavidb | Thanks, gmcharlt! *wave* |
| 11:25 | schuster | paul_p can now go have lunch! |
| 11:25 | sekjal | thank you, gmcharlt, and everyone else, too! |
| 11:25 | indradg | thanks gmcharlt |
| 11:25 | Amit | thanks galen |
| 11:25 | Wizzyrea_ | ttyl. 30 more minutes of pillow time for me |
| 11:25 | :) | |
| 11:25 | oh man, I want tea | |
| 11:25 | slef | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09aug05 updated - I'm out of it |
| 11:26 | Wizzyrea_ | after pilllow time. |
| 11:26 | chris | heh |
| 11:32 | and the room clears out | |
| 11:32 | man, i drunk too much coffee to stay awake | |
| 11:33 | now i have to wait for that to wear off | |
| 11:33 | kmkale | can some one here please explain to me how monthely patron fees work? |
| 11:34 | chris | the what? |
| 11:34 | kmkale | I mean how to set it up, how to get overdue warning on the circulation screens in staff client and print fee receipts etc |
| 11:34 | monthly library fees | |
| 11:35 | chris | ummm i dont know anything about monthly fees im afraid |
| 11:37 | kmkale | some libraries ( public ones ) here charge a set amount per month |
| 11:38 | joetho | is Chris too awake for this? |
| 11:38 | kmkale | and would like to track fees rcpts, overdues, etc in koha so that non paying patrons are not lent books till dues are cleared etc.. |
| 11:39 | chris | right overdues, rental fees etc koha does |
| 11:39 | but i dont think there is any concept of monthly fees | |
| 11:39 | unless its a new feature | |
| 11:40 | joetho | patrons can be "auto-debarred" for such things, which prevents additional checkouts |
| 11:40 | indradg | kmkale, sounds interesting, can you describe the use-case step-by-step and put it up somewhere? |
| 11:40 | kmkale | I have gone over the fines etc. That is not fitting the bill here |
| 11:40 | indrag : yes I will | |
| 11:41 | chris | kmkale: yes it sounds like it would need to be a new feature |
| 11:41 | indradg | chris, this sort of model has place in india, in fact, the way its going, might need integration into micro-payments using mobile phones |
| 11:41 | kmkale | pl pardon my ignorance |
| 11:41 | chris | membership fee |
| 11:41 | kmkale | but dont public libraries in your contry charge any fees? |
| 11:41 | chris | not time based ones |
| 11:42 | only overdues | |
| 11:42 | kmkale | chris :one time or recurring? |
| 11:42 | chris | or rental charges |
| 11:42 | idg|lunch | bbiab in 10 |
| 11:43 | chris | i dont know of any publics which charge a monthly fee in new zealand |
| 11:43 | idg|lunch | chris, the model here for some public libs is like paying for cable TV or any utility... small amount every month for lending |
| 11:43 | chris | right |
| 11:43 | kmkale | yup |
| 11:43 | Amit | Delhi public library charge Rs 2 per membership fees |
| 11:43 | chris | so it would need to be a new feature, specced out and coded :) |
| 11:44 | kmkale | under granthalaya.org we have started installing koha in public libraries |
| 11:44 | this is a need no one for them | |
| 11:44 | Amit | hi kmkale |
| 11:44 | kmkale | as these fees are their sustainance |
| 11:44 | hi amit | |
| 11:45 | chris | idg|lunch: here it is still primarily funded by local government taxes |
| 11:45 | kmkale | the libraries also have to give detailed reports of same to govt and its founding trust bodies |
| 11:46 | chris | altho there are people who wish it to be more user pays based |
| 11:46 | i personally think those people are crazy, and that that model disadvantages the people who need the library the most | |
| 11:46 | but i dont rule the world ..... yet | |
| 11:47 | kmkale | Amit DPL does not charge a monthly fee right? |
| 11:47 | :) | |
| 11:47 | Amit | no monthly fee |
| 11:47 | dpl charge only one time fee at the time of registration | |
| 11:48 | kmkale | thought so amit. met some of DPL ppl at NCRA |
| 11:48 | Amit | bu they will also charge for CD/DVD |
| 11:48 | i know u meet dpl people at NCRA | |
| 11:48 | only charge Rs 2 | |
| 11:49 | kmkale | Chris: if its to be new feature who is working on similar stuff any idea? |
| 11:49 | chris | fees stuff? hmmm |
| 11:49 | kmkale | or who is doing most work on fines and rental charges? |
| 11:49 | chris | i think biblibre |
| 11:49 | kmkale | so if I manage to do something I can align it with their work |
| 11:50 | should I aks paul? | |
| 11:50 | s/aks/ask | |
| 11:50 | Amit | i think one time fee is good idea as compare to monthly fees |
| 11:50 | slef | kmkale: search for/file an enhancement bug on bugs.koha.org at some point |
| 11:51 | Amit | kmkale: http://bugs.koha.org/ |
| 11:51 | kmkale | slef, amit: yes I have searched bugs and patches |
| 11:52 | I have also gone over existing code relating to fines and rentals etc. could not find anything similar to monthly fees so thought yo ask here | |
| 11:52 | slef | ok - if it's not there, put in an enh bug and it should attract attention from anyone working on it already |
| 11:53 | Amit | sandeep ask me this question already to me |
| 11:53 | kmkale | yes amit sandeep and me are working together |
| 11:53 | Amit | kmkale: what DPL people to say about this |
| 11:53 | about fee | |
| 11:53 | kmkale | they are not tracking fees in koha |
| 11:53 | Amit | they are tracking but only CD/DVD |
| 11:54 | fees | |
| 11:54 | kmkale | ya they dont have this monthly fees suff. cd/dvd is rentals |
| 11:54 | Amit | not monthly fee |
| 11:54 | yes CD/DVD is rentals | |
| 11:55 | wait i will see again to dpl staff login | |
| 11:55 | kmkale | slef: I will do that ( enh bug ) |
| 11:57 | tomascohen | hi everyone, sorry i'm late |
| 11:57 | have you already talked about debar fines? | |
| 11:58 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09aug05 is the minutes tomascohen |
| 11:58 | Amit | kmkale: they are manging with Till Reconciliation |
| 11:58 | hi tomascohen | |
| 11:58 | tomascohen | thx! |
| 11:59 | kmkale | Amit: yes but does not solve my problem of monthly fees and overdues thereof |
| 11:59 | Amit | but monthly fee too complex i think |
| 11:59 | chris | yes, it is definitely a new feature that someone will have to write |
| 11:59 | file it as an enhancement as step 1 |
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