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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:39 | kados | paul: you there? |
| 12:39 | paul | yep. hi kados |
| 12:39 | kados | paul: your recent patch to serials-edit.pl appears to be causing errors |
| 12:39 | Global symbol "$url_error_str" requires explicit package name at /home/nce/kohaclone/serials/serials-edit.pl line | |
| 12:39 | 245. | |
| 12:39 | paul | yep, hdl is working on it. |
| 12:39 | kados | I think it's your patch anyway |
| 12:39 | ahh, OK | |
| 12:39 | thanks | |
| 12:39 | paul | I made a mistake with ryan test patches for serials. |
| 12:39 | kados | sorry I missed it before pushing it up |
| 12:40 | paul | there has been a merge between 1 temporary patch from him & mine. |
| 12:40 | I should have be warned by your notice "patch doesn't apply" | |
| 12:40 | & not just rebase & resend it. | |
| 12:40 | kados | paul: do you know when hdl will be finished with it? we'd like to do some detailed testing of serials to 'sign off' on them for 3.0 |
| 12:41 | hdl | kados : I am finished with the bug paul assigned. |
| 12:41 | I can send you the patch now. | |
| 12:41 | kados | hdl: that'd be great, thanks! |
| 12:41 | paul | kados: the difficulty was to find a good behaviour when there is a duplicate |
| 12:42 | hdl | It works on top of ryan's. |
| 12:42 | paul | as ryan did : "don't create item, tell it, but mark the issue recieved" |
| 12:42 | which is un-perfect. | |
| 12:42 | hdl : did you find a better way to deal with this problem ? | |
| 12:42 | hdl | I tell it. |
| 12:43 | But I stay on serials-edit page rather than going to serials-collection.pl | |
| 12:43 | paul | & the issue is marked "recieved" or stays "waited/late" ? |
| 12:43 | kados | hdl: the problem we have now is: |
| 12:43 | Global symbol "$url_error_str" requires explicit package name at /home/nce/kohaclone/serials/serials-edit.pl line 245 | |
| 12:43 | hdl: is it fixed by your patch? | |
| 12:43 | hdl | kados : it is fixed. |
| 12:44 | or rather. | |
| 12:44 | you have to remove paul's patch and apply mine. | |
| 12:44 | paul | kados: don't your libraries complaint of the opac recent acquisitions disappearing between 2.2 and 3.0 ? |
| 12:45 | kados | paul: ? |
| 12:45 | paul | in 2.2, there was a link in OPAC to display recent acquisitions of the libraries. |
| 12:45 | kados | paul: the RSS feed? |
| 12:45 | paul: can't you just do a sort by acq date? | |
| 12:46 | paul | yes & no : the previous link displayed "itemtype" acquired in the last XX days. |
| 12:46 | which is not exactly reproduced by the sort_by acq date | |
| 12:46 | kados | seems like a simple search to create ... acq date is an index |
| 12:47 | nengard | kados paul, that would be a nice link to add to the OPAC - most recent X acqs |
| 12:50 | kados | no reason you couldn't add it afaik |
| 12:51 | just use the search api to search on a date range | |
| 12:51 | and sort by acq date | |
| 12:56 | paul | (and items.dateaccessioned is the field to deal with to get acq date |
| 12:56 | ) | |
| 12:59 | nengard | kados - where is date range in the OPAC? I tried to do a search sorted by acq - but had to put in a search term first |
| 13:00 | and if i just do item type and sort i get this error: Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /home/nce/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 431. | |
| 13:00 | paul | nengard: choose an itemtype, it should be better. or a branch |
| 13:00 | hdl | kados : is this ok if I send you my patch and you replace paul's with mine ? |
| 13:00 | nengard | paul item type gave me an error |
| 13:01 | hdl | or should it be a diff from paul's one ? |
| 13:04 | kados : patch sent | |
| 13:11 | kados | hdl: I should revert paul's patch first? |
| 13:12 | hdl | Yes, if you can |
| 13:12 | kados | hdl: specifically, paul's ' bugfix for 2451 : serial recieve & barcode does exist complaint' |
| 13:12 | commit 23b8da277b0a1aa67f0686aa65a9e0d527a3b26b | |
| 13:12 | right? | |
| 13:12 | hdl | yes. |
| 13:12 | kados | thanks |
| 13:12 | hdl | you're welcome. |
| 13:13 | Back from vacation ? | |
| 13:13 | kados | hehe ... I haven't been on vacation for a while now :-) |
| 13:13 | last week i was away from the office though | |
| 13:13 | meeting with customers | |
| 13:13 | paul | hehe... hdl, I already ask that yesterday, seems everybody knew he was in vacation, except him :D |
| 13:13 | kados | hdl: still don't have the patch |
| 13:14 | hdl: received now | |
| 13:15 | hdl | sorry |
| 13:15 | kados | OK, pushed |
| 13:33 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 13:33 | danny | hey owen |
| 13:42 | hdl | hi owen |
| 13:43 | gmcharlt: It seems you designed a way to shift from ISBN10 to ISBN13. Am i wrong ? | |
| 13:43 | where is it ? | |
| 13:50 | nengard: I am wondering if you applied also ryan's patches. | |
| 13:51 | nengard | hdl yes, kados upgraded my install and told me go through and test again :) |
| 13:51 | if it's any help - i closed more bugs than I opened ;) | |
| 13:51 | hdl | I donot understand : 2469 |
| 13:51 | Can you detail ? | |
| 13:52 | Do you expect that editing a numbering formula would change the numbering formula of the expected issues ? | |
| 13:54 | nengard | hdl yes |
| 13:54 | is it not supposed to do that? | |
| 13:54 | hdl | no. |
| 13:54 | Would be dangerous. | |
| 13:54 | paul | will update FUTURE expected issues |
| 13:54 | nengard | so it will change the next one? |
| 13:54 | paul | not the one actually existing |
| 13:54 | nengard | thanks paul |
| 13:55 | will close bug | |
| 13:55 | paul | you can change it to improvement |
| 13:55 | as it would be better | |
| 13:55 | (although probably too hard to code & too rarely encountered to be worthy) | |
| 13:56 | hdl | paul : it would be a pain in the neck. |
| 13:56 | paul | 282 |
| 13:57 | hdl | And librarians can update the serialseq manually. |
| 13:57 | paul | right |
| 13:57 | nengard: but it's worth mentionning that in the manual then | |
| 13:57 | nengard | i agree with hdl and i tested again and my new formula did apply to the next expected issue - so the bug is closed and marked invalid |
| 13:57 | i will!!! | |
| 14:41 | owen | hdl, have you looked at Bug 2361? |
| 14:42 | hdl | Not yet. |
| 14:43 | owen : yes, now I remember. | |
| 14:43 | do you want to talk on my latest remark ? | |
| 14:45 | owen | Right now the bug is assigned to me, but I don't think it's something that can be resolved at the template level |
| 14:45 | I'd much rather have you and ryan working with each other on it | |
| 14:45 | Is that something you'd be willing to take on? | |
| 14:46 | hdl | In fact, I would like us to try and settle a good way to work. |
| 14:46 | There are many cases where having a popup would be quite slow and not efficient. | |
| 14:47 | Maybe having little pieces of templates in include directory, with a good structure would help | |
| 14:48 | For instance, biblios are displayed in at least 7 different ways. | |
| 14:48 | same for items, suppliers, borrowers. | |
| 14:49 | So that some patron information are not displaed the same way when getting on different tabs of Patron. | |
| 14:49 | owen | Yeah |
| 14:50 | hdl | In fact, what I tried to do in this part of code was a reuse of additem part only for input. |
| 14:50 | But this indulged me into creating a new part of code : PrepareItemrecordDisplay. | |
| 14:51 | (Which is, actually, quite a bad name since it is display for input)... | |
| 14:53 | What I propose is : | |
| 14:53 | What I can propose is : | |
| 14:54 | Synch that part of code with additem.pl portion for item input. | |
| 14:55 | Get the template part that is displayed for input out of the additem.tmpl and put it in include/items/add.tmpl | |
| 14:55 | And make use of it in Acquisition/additem/serials-edit | |
| 14:57 | This is actually both a problem of template design and code design. | |
| 14:57 | ccatalfo | nengard: let me check.... |
| 14:59 | owen | hdl: I certainly don't object to the idea of creating the include. It could serve as an example for other areas that could benefit from the same treatment |
| 15:00 | hdl | I shall try that in order to prevent from some caveats. |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | hdl: no (re ISBN) - but Business::ISBN might do it |
| 15:06 | spledger | hello? |
| 15:06 | owen | Hi spledger |
| 15:07 | spledger | i am having a couple of issues with koha 3. can you help? |
| 15:07 | owen | There are many people here who will hear your question |
| 15:08 | spledger | ok, i have imported all of my school's marc records from the old winnebago system into koha 2.2.7 and had them all working just fine under 2.2.9. |
| 15:08 | we then decided to upgrade to koha 3. | |
| 15:08 | the upgrade is now finished, but when i search for items, nothing is ever found. | |
| 15:09 | i can still modify biblios, biblioitems, and items if i know the item/biblio/biblioitem number. | |
| 15:09 | if you go to rjhslibrary.info, you can see what i mean. | |
| 15:10 | owen | spledger: When you installed, did you choose to enable the Zebra indexing engine? |
| 15:11 | spledger | i did, but then after the install, i set the NoZebra system preference to On and ran the misc/rebuild_nozebra.pl script. |
| 15:16 | owen | I'm going to leave it someone else to answer you on that one, spledger, since zebra's not my strong point. |
| 15:21 | spledger | aah, ok. |
| 15:22 | thanks | |
| 15:22 | hdl | nengard: bug 2361. |
| 15:22 | nengard | yep |
| 15:22 | hdl | When you speak about location, it is branch/library ? |
| 15:22 | or is it items.location | |
| 15:24 | there is no way to store a common serials itemtype in a subscription. So it is hard to default itemtype to something. | |
| 15:25 | I would not mark it as blocker since librarians can still edit item in order to fix **their** lack of attention | |
| 15:25 | pianohacker | owen: around? |
| 15:25 | owen | Yes |
| 15:25 | pianohacker | I'm adding a running spinner to a button in the interface that launches an AJAX call |
| 15:25 | paul | nengard: are you around ? |
| 15:26 | pianohacker | Right now, this is done by prepending an img to a <button>, since buttons already have a background |
| 15:26 | That works, but I was wondering if you had any ideas on css integration | |
| 15:26 | The js already adds a 'running' class that dims out the button | |
| 15:27 | nengard | hdl - kados said to mark serials bugs blockers ... will look at bug and check |
| 15:27 | paul i'm here now | |
| 15:27 | paul | (sending a mail to you) |
| 15:28 | nengard | hdl - location is branch |
| 15:29 | hdl | So it is a duplicate with 2470 ? |
| 15:29 | owen | pianohacker: just from your description it sounds fine. Are you concerned that it isn't the best way to handle it? |
| 15:29 | nengard | hdl - no |
| 15:29 | one is for adding items and one is for editing a subscription | |
| 15:30 | hdl here's a process: | |
| 15:30 | pianohacker | owen: It'd be nice if I could put that bit of formatting into the css |
| 15:30 | nengard | 1. you create a subscriptiion for library b |
| 15:30 | 2 you need to edit subscription and it all of the sudden is set to library a | |
| 15:31 | 3. you fix and put it back to library b | |
| 15:31 | 4. you go to receive an item | |
| 15:31 | 5. the add item box pops up and now the library field is blank | |
| 15:31 | owen | pianohacker: I don't think I can give you a suggestion without seeing an example |
| 15:31 | nengard | 6. you don't remember what library you're checking the item in for - and it should be there becuase you entered it when you created the subscription |
| 15:31 | paul - email to where? | |
| 15:31 | paul | (i'm writing it atm) |
| 15:32 | sent to nicole.engardliblime.com |
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| 15:32 | nengard | ah - got it |
| 15:33 | thank you!! I was hoping someone would give me feedback on that :) | |
| 15:34 | spledger | has anyone else had any issues on the search feature in koha 3? |
| 15:34 | liz-nekls | I think there are plenty of people who have trouble with zebra at first |
| 15:35 | spledger | liz-nekls: have you gotten zebra to work? |
| 15:35 | liz-nekls | I never had occasion to make it work, on my test servers I always just turned it off |
| 15:35 | because 1. I didn't need it and 2. I didn't have time to make it work | |
| 15:35 | rhcl | I think we need to shoot the zebra and get a wildebeest. |
| 15:36 | liz-nekls | lewl |
| 15:36 | spledger | did you just turn it off using the NoZebra system preference? |
| 15:37 | liz-nekls | that I did |
| 15:37 | spledger | ok, its just that that doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 15:37 | i still recieve no search results with the NoZebra setting On. | |
| 15:37 | any sugguestions? | |
| 15:39 | liz-nekls | :/ I don't sorry... i've always done a clean install |
| 15:39 | spledger | dang. ok, thanks. |
| 15:41 | does anyone here have any sugguestions on how to fix this? | |
| 15:41 | pianohacker | spledger: I have a working zebra install; what problems were you having with it? |
| 15:42 | spledger | searches return no results. not in opac nor in the staffclient. |
| 15:42 | i cant get it to work with zebra on or with zebra off. | |
| 15:42 | it really makes no difference to me whether or not zebra is used, but i do need to have the search feature workiing. | |
| 15:42 | working* | |
| 15:43 | pianohacker | spledger: If you run zebra in the foreground, does it give you any useful errors? |
| 15:44 | spledger | zebra claims it couldn't lock /var/lock/koha3/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid |
| 15:44 | pianohacker | Ahh |
| 15:45 | I think you need to run it as root (or whoever owns your install directory) | |
| 15:45 | spledger | nvm, now i fixed that. |
| 15:45 | i just needed to make the directories | |
| 15:45 | now lets see if i can get some kind of search results. | |
| 15:45 | nope. still nothing | |
| 15:47 | pianohacker | Does zebra give you an Error 109 in the console? |
| 15:48 | spledger | no, it gives me nothing. |
| 15:49 | liz-nekls | do you happen to still have the nozebra pref set? |
| 15:50 | spledger | no, its not set. |
| 15:50 | liz-nekls | kk just had to check :) |
| 15:50 | sanity and al lthat | |
| 15:50 | pianohacker | spledger: Can you pastebin the complete output of zebrasrv after a search? |
| 15:50 | spledger | 09:50:10-05/08 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @and @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "franc? " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 franc @or @attr 1=8002 @attr 4=109 @attr 2=2 |
| 15:50 | 09:50:10-05/08 zebrasrv(1) [session] Connection closed by client | |
| 15:51 | ok, i see that i am now getting an error 109 | |
| 15:51 | pianohacker | Yah |
| 15:51 | spledger | what does that mean exactly? |
| 15:51 | pianohacker | Database unavailable (I banged my head against that too) |
| 15:51 | spledger | what did you do to fix it? |
| 15:52 | liz-nekls | think that was where i got stuck as well |
| 15:52 | pianohacker | Have you run rebuild_zebra ? |
| 15:52 | spledger | (pls don't say start over) |
| 15:52 | pianohacker | Heh |
| 15:53 | spledger | no |
| 15:53 | but i'll run it right now. | |
| 15:53 | pianohacker | spledger: How many records do you have? |
| 15:53 | spledger | 18000 |
| 15:53 | pianohacker | Hmm |
| 15:54 | Let me post a fix for a problem i think you might have real quick | |
| 15:54 | spledger | its actually going pretty quickly |
| 15:54 | ok | |
| 15:56 | pianohacker | If you do that, search and get an error having to do with Local-number, try this |
| 15:56 | http://pastebin.com/d4c7030ab | |
| 15:58 | spledger | ok, well now i'm getting an error 114 |
| 16:03 | pianohacker | Huh |
| 16:03 | That's new | |
| 16:08 | spledger | yeah... |
| 16:11 | pianohacker | spledger: Try running zebrasrv with the -v all option |
| 16:12 | It prints tons of info, but pastebin.com can handle it | |
| 16:14 | liz-nekls | Is there a way to override a renewal limit? |
| 16:14 | to renew a book over the limit | |
| 16:14 | ? | |
| 16:14 | pianohacker | liz-nekls: I don't think so, though I'll have to send in a patch for that when I migrate my library to 3.0 here soon |
| 16:15 | liz-nekls | ah I see |
| 16:15 | so the solution would be to check it in and back out to the same patron | |
| 16:16 | to skirt around that issue | |
| 16:16 | and how would that work if there was a hold on the item | |
| 16:17 | though I think I just answered my own question | |
| 16:17 | you would first put a hold on the item for the patron wanting the renewal, and set them to first in line, then check in and check the book back out to them | |
| 16:18 | though why you would want to override a renewal when someone's waiting is beyond me | |
| 16:19 | spledger | ok pianohacker, here's my pastebin of zebrasrv with the -v all option. |
| 16:20 | http://pastebin.com/m299c7a96 | |
| 16:20 | owen | liz-nekls: You don't need to mess with the holds, you can just override the warning when you go to check it out again |
| 16:21 | liz-nekls | hm... we couldn't figure out how... but we're going to put some brains on it, one moment (thanks for the consideration) |
| 16:22 | pianohacker | Did rebuild_zebra print out any error messages? |
| 16:22 | (I love how zebrasrv prints out 250 lines and manages to not tell us what error 114 is) | |
| 16:22 | spledger | yeah -- its great, innut? |
| 16:23 | "Wide character in null operation at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96." is when the script ended. | |
| 16:24 | owen | liz-nekls: After you check it in and check it out again, Koha should simply display a warning, "This is on hold for so-and-so. Override?" |
| 16:24 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: (most of) Z39.50 diagnostic codes: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agenc[…]fns/bib1diag.html |
| 16:25 | pianohacker | spledger: Ohh |
| 16:25 | gmcharlt: Thanks | |
| 16:25 | Unsupported Use attribute. Hmm | |
| 16:26 | spledger: Does this show latin1 for everything? $ mysql -u root -p -e 'status' | grep characterset | |
| 16:29 | spledger | yep |
| 16:31 | would the fact that my items information is stored in the 852 tag instead of the 952 tag of the marc holdings make any difference? | |
| 16:32 | pianohacker | Possibly |
| 16:33 | You would have to change etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs so that every line referencing 952 pointed to 852 instead (and the rights subfield) | |
| 16:34 | spledger | aah, ok. i'll give that a shot. |
| 16:36 | pianohacker | Then rebuild_zebra (again) |
| 16:41 | spledger | ok, i think i got it all. |
| 16:41 | we'll see how it goes. | |
| 16:45 | random thought: library systems are rediculously complicated. | |
| 16:47 | ok pianohacker, still nothing. | |
| 16:47 | pianohacker | Huh |
| 16:47 | spledger | same error 114 |
| 16:47 | pianohacker | Dangit |
| 16:48 | When you run rebuild_zebra, somewhere in the output there should be something like i/u/d 18000/0/0 | |
| 16:48 | spledger | my reaction was a little more profane, but yes. |
| 16:49 | pianohacker | That tells you that the records did get inserted; does it exist? |
| 16:49 | spledger | 10:46:36-05/08 zebraidx(22554) [log] Records: 18068 i/u/d 18068/0/0 |
| 16:50 | its got the records in, but still no luck on the search. | |
| 16:50 | owen | Can anyone tell me what might display in the "Serial Data" column in opac-detail.pl? |
| 16:53 | spledger | this is what really gets me tho: http://catalog.rjhslibrary.inf[…]c-detail.pl?bib=1 |
| 16:53 | paul | kados: 4 small patches in mailbox |
| 16:53 | bye bye world. see you tomorrow | |
| 16:53 | kados | paul: thanks |
| 16:58 | spledger | any ideas anyone? |
| 17:02 | i have now found a query that works for some reason, but its only in the intranet view. | |
| 17:03 | its highlighted towards the very end. http://pastebin.com/m711f0b31 | |
| 17:07 | ok, the staff side is working completely, but not the opac side. | |
| 17:10 | i got it to work!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| 17:11 | i had to turn off the hide missing items preference. | |
| 17:22 | owen | spledger: interesting: so there's something about your data that made Koha think everything was missing? |
| 17:25 | spledger | yeah, thats what it looks like. |
| 17:26 | ryan | spledger: edit one item and mark it lost, then reindex. |
| 17:26 | spledger | ok. |
| 17:26 | ryan | a curious thing about zebra, if every record has a zero value, it doesn't bother indexing |
| 17:26 | so if you have no lost items, you won't get an index on lost. | |
| 17:27 | owen | Discrimination against libraries with spotless inventory records ;) |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | Those exist? |
| 17:27 | Where do you live, I want to visit that library! | |
| 17:28 | spledger | hmm... |
| 17:28 | ok | |
| 17:28 | colorado | |
| 17:28 | owen | pianohacker: they have only one book, a you can't see it. |
| 17:28 | pianohacker | Heh |
| 17:28 | gmcharlt | the Gutenberg Bible, presumably |
| 17:29 | owen | In which case zebra is really overkill, I guess. |
| 17:29 | pianohacker | $ time rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b |
| 17:29 | real: 0.0001s | |
| 17:41 | spledger | ok, i feel dumb, i can't figure out how to mark items as lost. |
| 17:41 | the drop-down is empty. | |
| 17:44 | gmcharlt | spledger: in Administration / Authorised Values, you can add non-zero values to a 'LOST' category |
| 17:44 | those would then populate drop-down | |
| 17:50 | spledger | ok |
| 18:40 | ok, i have everything working except searching by callnumber. | |
| 18:40 | i can't figure out how its supposed to be mapped in the zebra server. | |
| 20:41 | chris | morning |
| 20:50 | masonj | morning chris |
| 20:50 | chris | hey rex, ltns |
| 20:50 | heya mason, hows things | |
| 20:50 | rex | aloha |
| 20:50 | masonj | good good |
| 20:50 | aloha rex | |
| 20:51 | chris | rex: i was listening to hawaii 78, on my ipod on the bus on the way to work this morning |
| 20:51 | rex | ah... uh... whats that? |
| 20:52 | chris | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cAbHGZ6F8M |
| 20:54 | rex | oh you mean the song |
| 20:54 | I thought it was some weird podcast or something | |
| 20:55 | chris | nope, but that would be cool |
| 20:55 | you should start it :-) | |
| 20:56 | rex | in my Copious Free Time |
| 20:56 | chris | heh yeah |
| 20:56 | masonj | nice track ;) |
| 20:56 | rex | wow this one has better pictures |
| 20:56 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]c&feature=related | |
| 20:57 | chris | ohh so it does |
| 20:57 | masonj | and the pearl-jam cover too |
| 21:02 | gmcharlt | thanks, chris |
| 21:09 | cnighs | hi chris |
| 21:09 | chris | hiya cnighs |
| 07:47 | evening | |
| 07:47 | paul | hi chris. |
| 07:47 | 4 at office today : hdl is with us ;-) | |
| 07:48 | atz_ | almost 4AM here... |
| 07:48 | chris | sheesh atz |
| 07:48 | why are u awake? | |
| 07:49 | atz_ | prep cooking for dinner tomorrow |
| 07:49 | got a 3.5-lb black angus pot roast in the Staub | |
| 07:49 | mc | hello koha |
| 07:49 | chris | paul: i hope there are enough pain au chocolat for everyone :) |
| 07:49 | atz: wooo | |
| 07:50 | paul | "black angus pot roast in the Staub" ???? |
| 07:50 | chris: yes | |
| 07:50 | atz_ | yeah, tomorrow's dinner |
| 07:50 | chris | i wonder if i can get get a quick flight :) |
| 07:51 | atz_ | paul: all my best entree recipe's involve the Staub... |
| 07:52 | chris | and remember in the US entree = main course :) |
| 07:52 | paul | great. Except I don't understand "staub" and "black angus" |
| 07:52 | atz_ | stew, chili, pot roast.... |
| 07:52 | chris | black angus is a breed of cow |
| 07:52 | paul | angus : seems it's a kind of cow |
| 07:52 | atz_ | black angus is a particular kind of beef. better texture |
| 07:52 | paul | and staub ? |
| 07:52 | ok, staub.fr helps me ;-) | |
| 07:53 | "cocotte" in french | |
| 07:53 | atz_ | staub is a brand of enameled cast iron. like le creuset, but less famous. |
| 07:54 | (less famous here anyway) | |
| 07:56 | paul | http://www.staubusa.com/prod_cocotte_rd/index.asp |
| 08:00 | atz_ | so the only downside to cooking this way is that it takes a long time |
| 08:04 | paul: is wiktionary correct (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cocotte ) that the same word means "Dutch oven" and "prostitute"? | |
| 08:07 | paul | yes, it is. Although "cocote" for a prostitue is unused since 1940s I think |
| 08:09 | mc | US entree = main course ... but not french course :) |
| 08:10 | we call it "faux amis" (fake friends) | |
| 08:10 | atz_ | yeah, in france they use the word in a way that actually makes sense |
| 08:10 | chris | same in nz |
| 08:11 | it confused the heck out of me when i first visited | |
| 08:11 | mc | i can imagine |
| 08:16 | chris | tomato sauce is another one |
| 08:17 | in nz, that = what americans call ketchup | |
| 08:18 | lemon cordial in nz = lemonade in america | |
| 08:18 | seperated by a common language :) | |
| 08:18 | atz_ | chris: what do you call the sauce put on pasta? |
| 08:19 | probably pasta sauce. | |
| 08:19 | (can't argue w/ that) | |
| 08:19 | chris | yep |
| 08:20 | or bolognaise if its a meat sauce | |
| 08:45 | atz_ | just sent in a patch for patron import (and related stuff) |
| 08:46 | i tested it, but could use more feedback from others | |
| 08:46 | in particular if you have data that you know loaded correctly before, and can test importing it again |
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