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Time | Nick | Message |
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12:10 | danny | hello #koha |
12:10 | nengard | hiya danny |
12:10 | owen | Hi danny, #koha |
12:10 | gmcharlt | greetings all |
12:12 | hdl_laptop | hi owen gmcharlt cnighs |
12:26 | kados | paul: you here? |
12:26 | paul: can you verify by testing that 2451 can be closed with what's been pushed into Git? | |
12:28 | hdl_laptop | paul here but having conference. |
12:28 | kados | ok |
12:29 | hdl_laptop: can you confirm that you're happy with bug 2351 now? or are there remaining issues still? | |
12:29 | hdl_laptop: and if you can comment on 2451 that'd be great | |
12:33 | hdl_laptop: also, I need your patch for 2361, I don't have it | |
12:35 | cnighs | anyone know what to do with this: |
12:35 | biblios:~/koha.git# git rebase origin | |
12:35 | cannot rebase: your index is not up-to-date | |
12:35 | Akoha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/colors.npl.css | |
12:36 | kados | cnighs: try checking in that file maybe? |
12:44 | nengard | hdl_laptop i have updated bug 2470 - it's still not working as expected |
12:49 | cnighs | git rm -f koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/colors.npl.css fixes it |
13:05 | hdl_laptop | kados: patch for 2361 sent to you and koha-patches. |
13:05 | kados: about patch 2351, can't tell atm | |
13:07 | kados : my patch only fixes the ability to get branchcodes and callnumber. | |
13:08 | kados : will comment on 2451 later today. | |
13:09 | i am not at home and would not be able to add the patch. | |
13:09 | right now. | |
13:10 | kados | hdl_laptop: OK ... but also please note that 2470 ... your patch didn't work |
13:10 | hdl_laptop: Nicole has updated the report | |
13:12 | nengard | hdl_laptop and kados 2361 works and is makred FIXED :) |
13:12 | owen are you around? | |
13:12 | owen | Yes |
13:13 | nengard | owen for serials when adding an item one the receive form the labels are being cut off |
13:13 | you have to mouse over them to see the full text of them | |
13:13 | do you want a bug for this? | |
13:14 | owen | You have to mouse over them? You mean to get a tooltip? |
13:14 | nengard | yep |
13:14 | so it reads : "Source of cl" but if you mouse over you get "Source of classification' | |
13:14 | but if you're skimming the list you can't always find the right field for the data you want to enter | |
13:18 | owen | I'll see what I can do. |
13:18 | nengard | :) |
13:23 | hdl_laptop | nengard: will see my bugfix tonight and will resend. |
13:23 | nengard | thanks hdl_laptop |
13:27 | hdl_laptop | you're welcome |
13:27 | nengard: can i test on your intranet ? | |
13:28 | owen | hdl_laptop, do you know why, on serials-edit.pl, the item entry form labels all have <span id="error"> in them? |
13:28 | Why the "error" id? | |
13:41 | hdl_laptop | owen : seen. |
13:46 | owen | Hi liz-nekls |
13:47 | liz-nekls_ | 'mornin |
13:48 | nengard | okay this is wierd - hdl_laptop and kados when i got to edit serials now they're right - do i have a new patch for 2470 - or do you think the combo of 2361 & 2470 make it work - either way, 2470 now works |
13:48 | morning liz-nekls | |
13:49 | liz-nekls_ | Owen - I've been meaning to ask you about how you did your magic on the Athens County home page, specifically displaying the upcoming titles |
13:50 | owen | It relies on an external database, the one that we use for content on our library's web site |
13:50 | liz-nekls_ | Ahh I see |
13:50 | so that doesn't pull the data from your library catalog at all? | |
13:50 | owen | Nope. |
13:51 | liz-nekls_ | interesting |
13:51 | owen | A staff member builds the list by hand |
13:51 | liz-nekls_ | hmmm |
13:51 | owen | He gets the titles from a list of recently-ordered titles, picking the ones he thinks will be of interest |
13:51 | liz-nekls_ | yea, that makes perfect sense... but he doesn't use the list feature in Koha (or maybe that doesn't exist in 2.x) |
13:52 | I was thinking of some way to display a list that they would generate in koha | |
13:52 | owen | No, but that's really just because my expertise is PHP, not Perl. |
13:53 | liz-nekls_ | yea, mine too, (insomuch as you can call it "expertise" :P) |
13:53 | owen | So I've got a php script on our web server (not the Koha server), which pulls the data, and an iframe in the opac main page displays it |
13:53 | liz-nekls_ | right, I noticed that in your source |
13:53 | I wondered what it was pulling from ^.^ | |
13:53 | cnighs | does anyone know what db fields 'Subtitle', 'Classification', and 'Subclass' should be related to as they appear on labels/label-edit-layout.pl? |
13:54 | these fields do not currently appear in the items, biblioitems, or biblio tables | |
13:54 | kados | cnighs: subtitle doesn't have a mapping anymore |
13:54 | cnighs: so it should be removed from the label (!!) | |
13:54 | classification is items.itemcallnumber | |
13:55 | cnighs | hrmm, so is 'Call Number' |
13:55 | kados | subclass ... is probably built into itemcallnumber already |
13:55 | cnighs | ok, so it sound like all three need to be removed |
13:55 | kados | I suspect so |
13:56 | but call numbers have parts | |
13:56 | so it's possible some libraries only want some parts of the call number displaying on the label | |
13:56 | lemme check something real quick | |
13:57 | cn_class | |
13:57 | cn_item | |
13:57 | cn_suffix | |
13:57 | those are the three parts of the call number available at the bib-level | |
13:57 | cnighs | are these common to all call numbers (ie. LCCN, DDCN, etc)? |
13:57 | kados | but at the item level we only have itemcallnumber |
13:58 | cnighs: yea, mostly | |
13:58 | cnighs: there is also a 'prefix' | |
13:58 | cnighs | how are they derived or where are they entered? |
13:58 | these fields that is | |
13:58 | kados | well, it depends |
13:58 | nengard | liz-nekls i bet you could write a php script to point to the koha db and get the most recent titles by searching on the acq date |
13:58 | kados | libraries can use the standard for each type LCC is 050 $a $b (class, item) |
13:59 | DDC is 082 $a $b | |
13:59 | cnighs: the best way to do this woul dbe to allow specific marc tags/subfields to be added to the label for classification | |
13:59 | cnighs: because every library does it differently and even within a batch you might use different rules | |
14:12 | liz-nekls_ | nengard I was thinking about a method to display the rss feed of a similar query |
14:12 | either a list or a rss'd search | |
14:12 | nengard | that would work |
14:13 | liz-nekls_ | that one might not happen in 2 weeks though lol |
14:13 | nengard | there are several tools out there to let you display rss feeds on web pages |
14:14 | hdl_laptop | owen : I will try and see why. |
14:14 | nengard: this is weird indeed. | |
14:17 | nengard | hdl_laptop does it work for you? |
14:20 | hdl_laptop | nengard: works for me. |
14:20 | nengard | hdl_laptop okay - i'll close the bug .... |
14:55 | danny | ok, a git question for anyone that may have encountered this, I have a file that I do not want to track, but anytime I do a git pull the file seems to be deleted, I don't want the file to be deleted, just don't want it to be tracked |
14:57 | kados | danny: in place of pull, try fetch and rebase |
14:57 | that shoudln't touch files outside of Git's pervue | |
14:57 | git fetch; git rebase origin | |
14:58 | danny | ok I will do that |
14:58 | thanks | |
15:00 | gmcharlt | danny: also see http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]cs/gitignore.html |
15:01 | danny: depending on why file should not be tracked, you can use .gitignore, .git/info/exclude, or the core.excludefiles git-config setting to cause files to be ignored (and left alone) by git | |
15:07 | danny | thanks gmcharlt |
15:10 | acmoore | cnighs: I notice that you have claimed database version 3.00.00.107. I don't see a patch from you implementing it yet, though. Have you submitted on, or do you have one ready or anything? |
15:10 | cnighs | acmoore: actually that patch got pushed to 3.2, I'll go and release my claim to it, sorry |
15:11 | acmoore | no worries. Thanks! |
15:13 | paul | cnighs: what does it mean "that patch got pushed to 3.2" ? is there a 3.2 repo somewhere ??? |
15:13 | gmcharlt | paul: no |
15:13 | cnighs | paul: no, it's just on hold in my repo |
15:14 | paul | thx, I was afraid I missed something... |
15:14 | cnighs | acmoore: 107 is all your's if you like :-) |
15:16 | atz | paul: i'm sure it won't be too long though... |
15:19 | kados | cnighs: any word back from your catalogers? |
15:20 | paul | atz, yes, I know/hope. That's why I thought I could have missed a fresh branch ;-) |
15:26 | cnighs | kados: all previous error triggering MARC's have been saved now with the exception of one which still causes the error |
15:27 | kados: I'm having them try one other thing to try to determine if it is related or not | |
15:27 | kados | yay |
15:37 | nengard | liz-nekls sharon was asking about the recent title on IM - told her we were talking with owen about that here |
15:37 | you may want to talk to her in person and catch her up :) | |
15:38 | owen | liz-nekls: I'd be happy to send you the PHP scripts for that if you're interested. |
15:40 | Sharon | owen, I'll say YES to that for NEKLS. |
15:41 | owen | They'll have to be adapted to your needs, but they'll give you an idea for how it works |
15:42 | nengard | hiya sharon |
15:42 | Sharon | as all of our member libraries have seen the Athens County opac, they're very interested in having that kind of added content (bells and whistles) |
15:43 | hi Nicole...thought i'd join the fun | |
15:43 | owen | The way we do it, it requires regular staff maintenance. But maybe you guys can figure out a way to streamline it |
15:44 | That should be the case if someone can make it work directly from the database or from a virtual shelf | |
15:44 | Since it doesn't even use Koha's database the way I have it written, there's not much point :| | |
15:45 | Sharon | maybe we'll sponsor that |
15:48 | liz-nekls_ | i always wondered why the virtual shelves didn't have rss feeds |
15:50 | nengard | liz-nekls i have a request in for that |
15:50 | kados | liz-nekls_: another opportunity for sponsorship :-0 |
15:50 | nengard | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1917 |
16:36 | liz-nekls_ | is there a template tag for author last name only? |
16:36 | I want to use it to pass a search on to http://ww2.kdl.org/libcat/What[…]h=Search&Search=1 | |
16:36 | but the title doesn't seem to work and it doesn't work with the full name in the last name | |
16:37 | kados | liz-nekls_: MARC doesn't have separate fields for last and first names, so no, there is just 'name' |
16:37 | liz-nekls_ | ah, ty |
16:39 | nengard | isn't that funny - with all of the detail MARC goes into it doesn't have multiple name fields |
16:41 | paul | nengard & liz-nekls & kados : isn't that very funny : UNIMARC has that ;-) (although we don't have a surname/firstname index anyway, so we don't use this feature) |
16:41 | gmcharlt | nengard: MARC21, specifically. It's a pity how whenever MARC21 absorbs another national MARC format, the good stuff from the other one tends to get dropped |
16:41 | for example, UKMARC had separate subfields for surname and forename | |
16:42 | as well | |
16:43 | nengard | that i never knew - they don't teach us unimarc in US library school |
16:48 | liz-nekls_ | ok.. so next question, since the marc record presumably holds the series information, what would the template tag be for that? |
16:49 | ^.^ | |
16:50 | the info they allow me to pass doesn't correlate all too well to the data I get out of koha... probably their limitation not ours | |
19:29 | hdl | owen looking now the stuff you asked me |
19:42 | owen : look at line 286 in additems.pl | |
19:43 | owen | yes |
19:43 | hdl | There is span id="error$i" where $i is named from subfieldcount. |
19:44 | can you tell me what it is there for ? | |
19:44 | i can't think of a worse name as error for sthg which is not an error message. | |
19:45 | owen | I don't know. The line in Biblio.pm was similar, but had no $i to make it unique. |
19:45 | hdl | And so id is not an id. |
19:47 | I understand. | |
19:47 | Trying sthg. | |
19:57 | owen : i have a problem : no candidate id. | |
19:57 | owen | ? |
19:57 | hdl | I Could try a random number but it would be dangerous. |
19:57 | owen | What is the purpose of the <span>? Why does it need an id? |
19:59 | hdl | It is used in CloneSeubfield. |
20:01 | What do you think ? Is CloneSubfield used in items management ?? | |
20:01 | owen | I don't see any way to clone a subfield in items |
20:04 | hdl | item subfield is clonable in additems. |
20:04 | But edition results in concatenation of values. | |
20:05 | And display is weird : | |
20:05 | http://i14.hdlaurent.paulpoula[…]itemnumber=129622 | |
20:07 | So maybe subfield cloning is BAAAD for item. | |
20:07 | kados do you agree ? | |
20:07 | owen | What's bad about the display? |
20:08 | hdl | particule only is displayed where two values should be displayed with | or whatever. |
20:08 | particule and test. | |
20:09 | No way to tell which one should be displayed. | |
20:09 | owen | It must depend on the framework? |
20:11 | hdl | yes. |
20:14 | kados : would it be OK to disable repeatable subfield for item ? Should this be marked as enhancement ? Should clonesubfield be removed from additems.pl ? and thus from serials-edit.pl ? | |
20:14 | If so, I will remove spans from there. | |
20:14 | pls feel free to file a bug. | |
20:14 | I'll cope with it tomorrow morning. | |
20:15 | 22 PM here. | |
20:18 | owen | I committed a change to Biblio.pm that removed the <span> from output to serials-edit.tmpl, seeing no functionality for it. Didn't realize it could be used for subfield cloning |
20:18 | That will have to be corrected if it turns out that is desirable. And if so, sorry for jumping the gun. | |
20:20 | atz | yeah, with jquery it gets hard to know which elements are important to structure and which are incidental |
20:22 | owen | The <span> was suspicious because it had an ID, although not a unique one. But with jquery it's even harder since a name or a class can be a hook for manipulation just as easily as an ID |
20:22 | atz | yeah, i just filed a bug for overlapped ids in opac-results.tmpl |
20:23 | owen | I don't think the CloneSubfield function could have been working in serials-edit.pl with identical IDs for all those spans. |
20:23 | atz | yeah, it breaks ajax that uses it (like Tags on hit list) |
20:23 | same problem, different code | |
20:24 | i wonder if somebody didn't get a little copy/paste happy | |
20:28 | owen: one thing i wanted to mention to you, since you more than anybody else will run into chances to use it | |
20:28 | the use of DEFAULT in TMPL_VAR | |
20:28 | can do interesting things | |
20:28 | <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="LibraryNameTitle" --><!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="LibraryNameTitle" --><!-- TMPL_ELSE -->Koha Online<!-- /TMPL_IF --> Catalog › | |
20:29 | becomes | |
20:29 | <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="LibraryNameTitle" DEFAULT="Koha Online" --> Catalog › | |
20:29 | much nicer | |
20:31 | owen | Yeah, I noticed that recently |
20:32 | atz | of course, i don't know for certain that the translator picks that up as a phrase.... |
20:32 | if it doesn't, clearly it should | |
20:33 | owen | I'll bet it doesnt'. |
20:34 | I remember when the translator script was first developed we had to switch from <TMPL_VAR NAME=""> to <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="" --> | |
20:34 | So I think the script is trained to look for translatable strings in real tags but not in comments | |
20:39 | atz | in a decent parser, it should be pretty easy to hit... but in that hackjobby assemblage of regexps i have no idea |
20:40 | chris | morning |
20:41 | atz | greets chris |
20:42 | chris | how'd your meal go? |
20:43 | atz | hasn't happened yet |
20:43 | chris | ahh, well good luck then :) |
20:44 | atz | should be awesome... that beef is high grade... |
20:51 | chris | take some photos :) |
20:52 | hmm im not sure what to think about the OLE project | |
20:56 | i guess ill wait and see | |
20:59 | pianohacker | chris: OLE project? |
21:00 | chris | http://oleproject.org/ |
21:00 | pianohacker | Hmm, seven capitalized buzzwords in the intro |
21:00 | That's scary | |
21:00 | atz | big money dilberts |
21:00 | chris | yeah, we are smarter than everybody, is how it reads to me |
21:01 | pianohacker | Pretty much |
21:01 | I envision relentlessly detailed, unimplementable, several hundred page specs | |
21:01 | chris | :-) |
21:01 | atz | of course they are, they're the mellon foundation. to be fair, carnegie mellon turns out some great software engineers |
21:02 | looks like Duke is the real core institution though | |
21:02 | chris | yup |
21:02 | atz | all 3 leaders from Duke, plus 3 more |
21:03 | good luck to'm, seems like good goals anyway | |
21:04 | chris | yep, i hope they turn out something useful |
21:05 | atz | yeah... a bit high-level academic right now... but their site is only a week old. |
21:05 | :) | |
21:16 | hdl | demo of biblios leads to demo.bibios.net and not demo.bib***l***ios.net |
21:23 | atz | d'oh! |
02:22 | cnighs | g'evening |
02:36 | chris | hey cnighs |
07:15 | paul | hello world (chris mainly, probably) |
07:44 | chris | hi paul |
08:52 | mc | chris? |
08:52 | johnny | hello |
08:52 | mc | oh .. hello johnny |
08:52 | hello koha people | |
08:54 | johnny | is it difficult to automate the Makefile.pL process? like exporting the env. variables before running it? and are the paths hardcoded into koha after that? |
08:58 | chris | hi mc and johnny |
08:58 | no its not difficult johnny | |
08:58 | mc | chris, i tried to add the gpg key and it failed |
08:58 | that's my attempt: | |
08:58 | http://koha.pastebin.com/d2fe6121a | |
08:59 | (i'm not skilled in crypto) | |
08:59 | chris | hmmm did you get the key first? |
09:00 | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 557F7779 | |
09:02 | mc | this add the key in my "trousseau" (don't know the english word, it means "personnal set of keys" ) |
09:03 | johnny | chris: did you make the debian package? |
09:03 | chris | yep |
09:03 | johnny | congrats :-) |
09:03 | mc | johnny, paul gave me this link: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]koha-3-packaging/ |
09:04 | johnny | oooo |
09:04 | sweet | |
09:04 | chris | theres a few posts about building packages there |
09:04 | mc | johnny, what about a gentoo package? even if noone use gentoo ;-) |
09:04 | johnny | mwah |
09:04 | ☺ | |
09:05 | well, i thought that if I was to install koha anyways, i'd make a package. it'll make my life easier anyways | |
09:05 | so all the deps are done, now for koha | |
09:06 | chris | yep |
09:06 | the next step is finishing my preinst and config files | |
09:06 | so the user can configure more | |
09:06 | but you can check out my packaging branch and build your own | |
09:08 | mc: what does sudo apt-key list say? | |
09:08 | mc | chris, tell me if you have a clue. I have no time for the moment for non bloquant problems :) |
09:09 | you're in | |
09:09 | the last one | |
09:09 | chris | hmmm |
09:09 | weird then | |
09:09 | you can ignore it without the signing | |
09:09 | sorry you can install without | |
09:10 | and ill test out whats wrong with the key | |
09:10 | mc | no problem |
09:10 | (for me) | |
09:10 | but we have to fix that if you want to go more public with your repo | |
09:11 | (for example: a link from the koha wiki) | |
09:12 | chris | yeah i wont be doing that until ive finished |
09:12 | johnny | chris: is there a way i could get my hands on your debian/rules file? :-) |
09:12 | chris | yep |
09:12 | check out the packaging branch | |
09:12 | its all in there | |
09:12 | johnny | oh, on koha main git? |
09:12 | allright | |
09:12 | chris | it should tell you on that post |
09:13 | git clone git://gitorious.org/koha/mainline.git koha | |
09:13 | then | |
09:13 | johnny | yep |
09:13 | chris | git checkout origin/package |
09:13 | and you should be good to go | |
09:14 | johnny | cool, thanks |
09:14 | chris | my caching branch is there too |
09:14 | where i have been adding memcaching | |
09:15 | johnny | nice |
09:15 | any modification to koha itself for packaging? | |
09:15 | chris | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]your-lunch-break/ |
09:15 | johnny | hehe |
09:15 | chris | win some good performance with caching |
09:15 | johnny | yeah, i read that :-) |
09:15 | chris | nope none at all |
09:15 | johnny | great |
09:16 | chris | i want to add code to the postinst |
09:16 | to make the db too | |
09:16 | johnny | well |
09:16 | yeah, but how do you find out the user's mysql password? | |
09:16 | chris | you ask |
09:16 | with debconf | |
09:17 | johnny | oh |
09:17 | yeah, right | |
09:17 | chris | i also want to get it so if you do dpkg-reconfigure |
09:18 | you can add another koha site | |
09:18 | thats on the todo list anyway | |
09:18 | johnny | yeah |
09:19 | i'm planning to add support for webapp-install too, for vhost-style installs | |
09:19 | but that'll take a while :-) | |
09:19 | chris | yep |
09:19 | mc | i wonder if vincent is aware of this packaging branch |
09:19 | chris | there are a lot of debian maintainers at work, so once i get a working package, that works for a single install |
09:19 | mc | as DD, he can help a lot |
09:19 | chris | ill get one of them to sponsor me |
09:20 | mc | chris, ask vincent |
09:20 | chris | ah, i can ask someone who sits next to me :) |
09:20 | johnny | heh |
09:20 | mc | hoo ... good |
09:21 | chris | i think there are 9 DD at work |
09:21 | mc | does ms planned to bomb your HQ ? |
09:21 | chris | hehe |
09:22 | we use packages for our work, when we do a new release of any software to a client, we make new packages and install them | |
09:22 | so i have been getting a lot of practice hehe | |
09:23 | mc | i used to work on dh-make-perl |
09:23 | chris | its a great tool |
09:23 | mc | (i'm on contributors list) |
09:23 | sure | |
09:23 | chris | so is CPANPLUS |
09:23 | http://catalyst.net.nz/ <-- thats where i work now | |
09:23 | mc | yep ... that's why i stopped |
09:23 | CPANPLUS is *the* way | |
09:23 | according to me | |
09:24 | catalyst ? related to the framework ? | |
09:24 | chris | well only indirectly |
09:25 | mc | powered by catalyst ? |
09:25 | chris | sam villain works here as well |
09:25 | mc | sam villain ? |
09:25 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/~samv/ |
09:26 | he also recently finished shifting perl to git | |
09:29 | mc | Data::Lazy ! sounds good .. |
09:29 | chris | he also has patches in git |
09:29 | so a good person to know :) | |
09:30 | mc | sure ... interesting |
09:38 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/~grantm/ <-- works at catalyst too |
09:39 | he did a very good talk on why XML::Simple sucks, and why you should never put the word simple in a module name hehe | |
09:40 | http://wellington.pm.org/archi[…]ucks/slide05.html | |
09:44 | johnny: if you have a user on gitorius, i can add you as a developer and you can push straight to the packaging branch if you want | |
09:44 | the more people helping the better :) | |
09:44 | (the same goes for you mc .. and anyone else) | |
09:47 | but for now im going to sleep :) | |
09:48 | paul_koha | bye chris |
09:51 | hdl | 'nite chris |
10:43 | mc | chris, funny slide :) |
10:45 | chris, thx for gitorious proposal |
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