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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:48 | kados | morning all |
| 13:05 | hey foxnorth | |
| 13:44 | hdl | hiya kados |
| 14:30 | paul | kados : about your question "some patches today" you sent at 0:00 (GMT+2), the answer is : nope, I forgot to send what I had in my queue. What about the idea of having a copy of all what is sent to patcheskoha.org to koha-cvs ML ? thus, you would know what is waiting mdoeration. |
| 14:31 | (+ to let you know : 6 new patches in our queue) | |
| 14:47 | slef | I prefer emf to jmf. |
| 14:47 | hi all | |
| 14:47 | jmf | hey slef |
| 14:48 | just logging in from another box | |
| 14:48 | paul: you here? | |
| 14:48 | paul | yep |
| 14:49 | foxnorth | paul: what should NoZebraIndexes be set to if we have NoZebra set to 0 in system preferences? |
| 14:49 | paul | one of them being chris catalfo ? (seen the 1st bugreport from him) |
| 14:50 | jmf | paul: and what should NoZebraIndexes be set to if NoZebra is set to 1 ? |
| 14:50 | foxnorth: your NoZebra is set to 1 :-) | |
| 14:50 | paul | foxnorth: whatever you want if set to 0, it's useless. |
| 14:51 | jmf : look at misc/migration_tools/rebuild_nozebra.pl | |
| 14:51 | the value for unimarc is here. (although not complete probably) | |
| 14:52 | you'll see how it works. basically, it's just a hash where you specify your indexes and the fields/subfields that are related to the index | |
| 14:52 | jmf | ok, we'll work on marc21 next |
| 15:03 | paul: is it normal for bulkmarcimpor to be very slow with NoZebra? | |
| 15:03 | paul | yes ;-) |
| 15:03 | the fast way to do it is : | |
| 15:03 | jmf | and can you confirm that -d doesn't work with bulkmarcimport? |
| 15:03 | paul | - set NoZebra=0 |
| 15:03 | - bulkmarcimport | |
| 15:04 | - rebuild_nozebra to set NoZebra=1 again & reindex everything in 1 mySQL query. | |
| 15:04 | jmf | ok |
| 15:04 | paul: I think bulkmarcimport should be smart enough to do that :-) | |
| 15:04 | paul | it's exactly as for zebra in fact : if you query zoom for each record, it's slow. if you rebuild all at the end, it's fast |
| 15:05 | jmf | *nod* |
| 15:05 | paul | jmf : at least, I have to write some doc to explain ! |
| 15:05 | jmf | yep |
| 15:09 | paul: what's the purpose of the -d directory option? | |
| 15:11 | paul | jmf : hehe... seems it's is a useless option |
| 15:11 | (probably coming from some tests I did, don't remember) | |
| 15:52 | slef | can koha-admin release the KohaLa mail, please? |
| 15:59 | jmf | slef: where's it held up, which list? |
| 15:59 | slef | koha.lists.katipo.co.nz |
| 16:02 | paul | slef: I had problems once with the list, it's just an antispam measure, when you have more than 2 recipients. If a mail is bounced, then just throw it again with just the list as To: ! |
| 16:02 | slef | paul: I don't save all outbound list mail... it gets archived on inbound. |
| 16:03 | paul: I think you have a copy directly anyway | |
| 16:03 | paul: it would be helpful if the list config was described on http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha | |
| 16:03 | paul | slef : ask someone else, i don't nothing about this ml admin ;-) ) |
| 16:05 | slef | paul: do you know about KohaLa? ;-) You and Pascale seem to contradict each other and the statutes... very confusing for a poor anglo. |
| 16:34 | jmf | slef: we'll have to wait for chris cormack to wake up, he manages that one |
| 16:34 | slef: but I'll make sure he takes care of it | |
| 16:34 | slef | jmf: aye... shame the clock is ticking... thanks |
| 16:34 | jmf: any thoughts on KohaLa, by the way? It doesn't look like a user group to me :-/ | |
| 16:35 | jmf | my understanding was that it was a user group |
| 16:35 | if it's attempting to be more than that, I think weneed to discuss its role | |
| 16:37 | slef | take a look at the object in http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/StatutsKohala.pdf |
| 16:37 | it's pretty broadly-scoped | |
| 16:38 | and I think paul is running for its council (developer, not user) | |
| 16:38 | I'll translate the candidate news in a mo, to see who else is there | |
| 16:46 | jmf | slef: is your main objection the 'bylaws' of KohaLa? |
| 16:46 | are you requesting that they change them? | |
| 16:46 | slef | I think US would call them bylaws. |
| 16:47 | Essentially, I think so. | |
| 16:47 | paul | bylaws ??? |
| 16:47 | jmf | have you suggested a change in language? |
| 16:47 | paul: 'bylaws' in american: | |
| 16:47 | Statuts de l’Association Kohala | |
| 16:47 | Rules of the Kohala Association | |
| 16:47 | the list of articles | |
| 16:48 | slef | not yet... French (code) law is rather different... I'm trying to get help. It would be very helpful to know where the current draft came from. |
| 16:48 | (which is a question in the mail held for moderation...) | |
| 16:48 | paul | slef : it comes from Francine Masson, director of ENSMP library, a woman that has founded a lot of associations during it's life |
| 16:48 | jmf | MJ's translation of the Preamble is: |
| 16:48 | The craft software under free licences are fairly few, and ask for a close participation between | |
| 16:48 | developers and users to keep working, and true to principles of sharing and distributing free | |
| 16:48 | software. That's why some users and developers who work with and on the library software | |
| 16:48 | Koha have decided to form an association. | |
| 16:48 | which I | |
| 16:48 | agree, doesn't sound like auser's group | |
| 16:49 | but it doesn't exactly sound ominous either :-) | |
| 16:49 | paul | but Koha is not a common experience. We don't want to have "devs on the left, users on the right"... |
| 16:49 | jmf | Article 2: This association has for an object the development, the documentation, the protection, the |
| 16:49 | slef | paul: US seems to call statuts bylaws, which is funny to the English, |
| 16:49 | because bylaws here are passed by towns and villages, about things | |
| 16:49 | like dogs messing the paths and keeping your hedges cut. | |
| 16:49 | jmf | promotion and the distribution of the free software library system Koha. |
| 16:49 | hehe | |
| 16:50 | slef | paul: but then we often call statuts things like memorandum and articles and other archaic names, so I don't laugh at them every time ;-) |
| 16:51 | jmf: I think I've misunderstood one problem, about unnominated powers, so there has been some point to the bilingual multi-email discussion ;-) | |
| 16:52 | jmf: one problem I have is that 1901-law associations which I like seem not to publish their statuts, so I can't suggest them quickly. | |
| 16:53 | erm, bye then ;-) | |
| 16:53 | kados | nope |
| 16:53 | I'm here | |
| 16:53 | just back at my regular terminal :-) | |
| 16:53 | slef | stop moving around ;-) |
| 16:53 | kados | hehe |
| 16:54 | slef | paul: is Francine standing for CA? |
| 16:54 | paul | nope, she will leave in november (6x years old) |
| 16:54 | slef | erm, yes, she is, but no personal statement in the news |
| 16:54 | (sorry, I just checked my mailboxes) | |
| 16:57 | paul: how to translate "commercial dans l'édition"? | |
| 16:57 | paul | mmm... I need a more complex sentence to help |
| 16:57 | slef | J'ai principalement travaillé dans le livre et sa diffusion |
| 16:57 | successivement comme libraire, commercial dans l'édition, | |
| 16:57 | bibliothécaire (BU et BM). | |
| 16:58 | paul | vendor for an editor |
| 16:58 | slef | aha |
| 16:58 | thanks | |
| 16:59 | paul | time to leave for me |
| 18:39 | owen | I'm still not completely clear on the branches concept in git. Say I've got a bunch of changes that I'm not ready to commit, but I have one file I want to correct and submit a patch for. I can git checkout -b quickfix origin to create a new branch, make my change, commit, submit patch and then switch to my other branch to keep working, right? |
| 18:39 | slef | I think so. |
| 18:41 | An alternative is to make a local symlink clone of your tree (git clone -l -s /path/to/tree) and do the one-file correction in that. | |
| 18:41 | owen | that sounds like a non-gittish way to do it |
| 18:42 | slef | well, I think the gittish way would be to commit the unready patches up a branch, switch branches, do the one-file correction and send it off, switch back, then uncommit the unready patch or finish it and merge the patches |
| 18:43 | but I seem to botch patch merging, so ;-) | |
| 18:44 | owen | Hmm... Would you have to merge the patches? what if you just kept working on the unfinished work and waited for your other patch to make it into the official repo? |
| 18:45 | slef | I meant merge the unready commit and the one that finishes it. |
| 18:46 | kados | when wouldn't you be ready to commit something? |
| 18:46 | slef | kados: when it doesn't pass perl -c? |
| 18:47 | owen | kados, if you're referring to my original question, what I should have said was, a bunch of changes I'm not ready so submit a patch for |
| 18:48 | kados | as long as you've commited them to your local repo |
| 18:48 | you can switch branches and make another change | |
| 18:48 | and send-email on that patch | |
| 18:48 | then switch back to the original one | |
| 18:49 | and continue working | |
| 18:49 | owen | Okay, that's what I was thinking. Bascially, I want to send an "out of sequence" patch. Or maybe that's just how I think of it. |
| 18:50 | kados | yea, don't worry about sequencing |
| 18:50 | remember, git will go back in time when merging stuff :-) | |
| 18:50 | if it needs to | |
| 18:51 | owen | If git had gone back in time I would remember a git from the future visiting me. |
| 18:51 | kados | hehe |
| 18:51 | slef | owen: no, because you would have broken it tomorrow. |
| 19:02 | kados | hi paul |
| 19:02 | paul | hi back |
| 19:02 | pub date sorting still not working for me :-( | |
| 19:03 | i'll send a mail to the welcome the 2 new "liblimers" (that have submitted a bug if I don't mind) | |
| 19:03 | kados | bug and patches too! |
| 19:03 | which you will see when chris wakes up and pushes them :-) | |
| 19:05 | paul | why joshua has jmf as mailbox name while joe atzberger has joe.atzberger ? |
| 19:05 | kados | we changed contentions |
| 19:05 | [K] | *** join #kohaFreeNode: atzberger n=chatzillpool-71-171-145-83.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net |
| 19:05 | kados | conventions I mean |
| 19:06 | slef | freedom... each to their own! |
| 19:06 | kados | jmf is my initials |
| 19:06 | joshua mark ferraro | |
| 19:06 | slef | ttllp includes initials, isurname and firstnames forms |
| 19:07 | moral of the tale: don't try guessing email addresses. That can get embarrasing ;-) | |
| 19:07 | kados | hehe |
| 19:07 | slef | at university, I had M.Ray, M.J.Ray, mjr and h089, among others |
| 19:08 | the uni systems simply didn't do multiple roles, so they just made a new account for each job you had | |
| 19:08 | kados | heh |
| 19:08 | slef: btw: nice job on the zebra commits | |
| 19:09 | slef | kados: do they work yet? ;-) |
| 19:09 | kados | slef: no :-) |
| 19:09 | but we're getting there :-) | |
| 19:09 | one question | |
| 19:09 | slef | Not a surprise. I'm still a bit confused (see mails to koha-devel) |
| 19:09 | kados | right now, we have a global option for marc 'flavour' |
| 19:09 | MARC21 and UNIMARC being the two main options | |
| 19:10 | but in koha 3.x we may see that become a framework-level option | |
| 19:10 | so there are a few places I'm not sure how we should represent the differences for those | |
| 19:10 | like the installer | |
| 19:11 | slef | ok, framework-level means in-database? |
| 19:11 | kados | I'm not sure we can easily configure zebra to index both unimarc and marc21, but we might be able to |
| 19:11 | framework-level would potentially mean at the level of the MARC framework | |
| 19:13 | I need to do more research on zebra | |
| 19:13 | to figure out how ewe could get marc21 and unimarc playing nicely together | |
| 19:14 | paul: so I guess you've seen all the bug reports | |
| 19:14 | :-) | |
| 19:14 | paul | yep... |
| 19:14 | kados | I'm very concerned about doing anything resembling a public release with the current state of things |
| 19:15 | paul | do you think you have more to come, or is that all ? |
| 19:15 | kados | i think more to come unfortunately |
| 19:20 | paul | which framework settings should I choose ? |
| 19:28 | kados | re: bug 1466 |
| 19:29 | I just installed 3 marc21 systems this mornign with no probs | |
| 19:29 | so you must not have the latest kohastructure.sql | |
| 19:29 | or bib frameworks | |
| 19:29 | paul | mmm... git fetch a few hours ago. something in the queue ? |
| 19:29 | kados | don't think so |
| 19:34 | did you fetch and rebase? | |
| 19:38 | paul | ok, my fault. I was on BibLibre, not on Official branch. it's invalid |
| 19:38 | slef | kados: do you have a script log or similar of it? ;-) |
| 19:39 | (of the installed systems) | |
| 19:39 | kados | slef: yea, you already have it :-) |
| 19:40 | slef: no, I mean the package I sent you | |
| 19:40 | slef | ok, so mainly the var/usr/etc problems and edits that I know about ;-) |
| 19:41 | kados | well, we didn't use the new package to install |
| 19:41 | we used my old symlinked one | |
| 19:41 | (we have several installs on one box | |
| 19:41 | for development) | |
| 19:42 | (and it's much easier to test on a symlinked install) | |
| 19:42 | slef | the new package can do several installs on one box and it would help development more if more than the two active koha devels at ttllp were using it |
| 19:42 | kados | yep |
| 19:42 | but it doesn't use a symlinked install | |
| 19:43 | slef | symlinked to the git tree? |
| 19:43 | kados | yep |
| 19:43 | slef | wouldn't be hard to do that actually |
| 19:46 | kados | man, we really need to clean up these syspref names |
| 20:00 | paul | #1430 fixed.... |
| 20:05 | kados | paul++ #awaiting patch from chris |
| 20:06 | in the staff client | |
| 20:06 | something strange with js going on | |
| 20:06 | it loads late or something | |
| 20:07 | paul: have you seen the 'bulk edit' feature in the catalog search? | |
| 20:07 | paul | it's something added by hdl |
| 20:07 | the goal is to update all the biblios from a query | |
| 20:08 | kados | yep, it's a nice feature |
| 20:08 | but a dangerous one also | |
| 20:08 | and a bit buggy if you don't mind :-) | |
| 20:09 | paul: where does it pull the list of valid codes? from the default template? | |
| 20:09 | for us it's a ton of extra html for every search result | |
| 20:09 | I think it must be moved to a separate function | |
| 20:09 | not the main search | |
| 20:10 | paul | kados : I don't know, you'll ask to hdl ;-) |
| 20:10 | kados | http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]felsefe&op=Submit |
| 20:13 | and why is EditBiblios in Search.pm instead of Biblio.pm? | |
| 20:14 | paul | dunno either ! |
| 20:16 | kados | and it should be named ModBiblios IMO |
| 20:16 | to follow our convention | |
| 20:17 | paul: I hope you'll understand why I would consider this a blocker :-) | |
| 20:17 | paul | nope (really) |
| 20:17 | I would just remove the feature of warn in release note that it don't work. | |
| 20:17 | otherwise, all bugs are blo ! | |
| 20:18 | but I know we disagree here... I don't try to convince you. | |
| 20:18 | this feature don't work. for me a blo means "you can't use the software in it's main features" | |
| 20:18 | which is definetly not the case here. | |
| 20:19 | i have the same pov on #1441, that i'm working on atm | |
| 20:19 | kados | well, we could do a release, but I would omit it as a feature |
| 20:19 | since it's buggy | |
| 20:19 | and doesn't follow our coding guidelines | |
| 20:20 | that said, it's a very nice feature! | |
| 20:20 | and I hope it will be patched so we can include it! | |
| 20:24 | paul | patch for #1441 done |
| 20:25 | time to go to bed for frenchies | |
| 20:25 | 10:30PM | |
| 20:25 | kados | paul++ |
| 20:26 | paul | wow... champion's league in soccer : Lyon 0-3 Glasgow Rangers... you must know that tomorrow we will have Liverpool vs Marseille & Marseille / Lyon are ennemies in soccer ;-) |
| 20:30 | 11 patches in patcheskoha.org mailbox |
|
| 20:30 | bye bye everybody | |
| 08:23 | slef | morning all - chris: alive? |
| 08:23 | idle 11 hours... hmm | |
| 08:24 | paul: it's not a matter of confidence and it's not a matter of culture. Are you ending the discussion because you don't want to understand the concerns? | |
| 08:28 | paul | hi slef : nope, I want to end the discussion because coding is more important atm, and I'm not sure i'll convince you at all |
| 08:28 | chris | yep im around |
| 08:29 | http://git.koha.org/gitstat/ | |
| 08:29 | slef | chris: can you release the post of mine to koha.lists.katipo.co.nz that's on moderation-hold, please? |
| 08:29 | chris | yep ill go do that now |
| 08:29 | slef | thanks 1000... I don't want to rewrite that long mail |
| 08:30 | although things might have moved on past it a little while it's been on hold | |
| 08:31 | chris | done |
| 08:31 | slef | paul: you probably won't convince me that giving corporations employees+2 votes is fair, but other than that, I'm pretty convincable. |
| 08:32 | paul | it's not "corpo empl", it's "corpo" |
| 08:32 | (represented by a physical person, of course) | |
| 08:39 | slef | all the corporation owners and employees can have a vote each, then there's two more votes givable to anyone who doesn't already have a vote, right? |
| 08:39 | chris: thanks (I think) | |
| 08:40 | paul | slef : nope. |
| 08:40 | the company is a "moral person". It has a juridic existence. So it can vote "itself" | |
| 08:40 | except that it is represented by someone. | |
| 08:40 | so, SAN-OP could have : | |
| 08:41 | - 1 vote for Jerome that is member as "jerome" | |
| 08:41 | slef | brb- have problems |
| 08:41 | paul | - 1 vote for bruno that is member as "jerome" |
| 08:52 | slaf | sorry about that... I've lost control of slef's server temporarily |
| 08:56 | load average: 23.10, 30.54, 25.42 | |
| 08:56 | Tasks: 95 total, 7 running, 87 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie | |
| 08:56 | chris | yikes |
| 08:57 | least it appears to be dropping | |
| 08:57 | slaf | yeah... should get control back soon |
| 08:58 | slef | load average: 31.03, 30.25, 25.91 |
| 08:58 | chris | or maybe not :) |
| 08:58 | slef | erm, we were saying? |
| 08:58 | I have a shell... all is not lost | |
| 08:59 | chris | :) |
| 08:59 | slef | I think one of the daemons is memory-leaking, but I'm not sure. |
| 09:00 | Swap: 131064k total, 131040k used | |
| 09:00 | that'll be resource starvation, then | |
| 09:01 | chris | ah yeah, thatd do it |
| 09:02 | slef | paul: I understand how corporation votes work. I just don't think they're fair. |
| 09:03 | paul: I also don't understand why KohaLa moved from being a user group to being for development, documentation and so on | |
| 09:05 | load average: 3.95, 16.88, 21.67 | |
| 09:06 | paul | slef : i have then answer to the 2nd question : because Koha is a free software ! and I (we) don't want to have on the right the users, and on the left the developpers. |
| 09:06 | we all are in the same boat ! | |
| 09:08 | slef | paul: we are not all in the same boat! KohaLa is putting on the right the French, on the left the others. |
| 09:10 | paul: if KohaLa is to be inclusive, then that is good IMO, but it should be done inclusively | |
| 09:52 | paul | chris still around ? |
| 10:01 | chris | yep |
| 10:01 | just saw you sent a patch | |
| 10:02 | or so bugzilla says :) | |
| 10:02 | ahh, ive already accepted it, never mind :) | |
| 10:08 | paul | chris : new patch in your mailbox ;-) |
| 10:09 | chris | hmm dominic on the bench .. i would have started him |
| 10:22 | ok, bedtime for me | |
| 10:22 | paul | sweet dreams |
| 10:22 | chris | (daylight savings started here last saturday, so its 1 hour later than last week) |
| 10:23 | my body still thinks its 10.22 tho, its hard to wake up 1 hour earlier | |
| 10:24 | paul | chris ??? |
| 10:24 | do you see the compo of the french team (announced 2 hours ago) | |
| 10:24 | some surprises, as usual with Bernard laporte ! | |
| 10:25 | chris | yes, i saw that, if i was couch, christophe dominic would not be in the reserves, he would be on the field |
| 10:25 | coach even :) | |
| 10:25 | paul | that would make 16 vs 15, but it may be a good idea ;-) |
| 10:26 | chris | hehe |
| 10:29 | now im really going to sleep | |
| 10:29 | paul | seet dreams |
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