| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:40 |
kados |
morning #koha |
| 11:40 |
|
paul: did you send some patches that haven't been applied yet? |
| 11:41 |
|
related to plugins? |
| 11:52 |
paul |
hello kados |
| 11:52 |
|
helas, chris went to bed 10mn too soon. |
| 11:53 |
|
patches are in his mailbox |
| 11:55 |
kados |
ahh |
| 11:56 |
paul |
timezone are really friendly for us. Maybe we could ask UN to change the way earth turns... |
| 11:56 |
kados |
hehe |
| 11:57 |
|
paul: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1442 |
| 11:57 |
|
I'm very confused about the purpose of AutoLocation |
| 11:57 |
paul |
the purpose is to autolocate librarians depending on the computer they log on. |
| 11:57 |
kados |
right |
| 11:57 |
paul |
NOT depending on their branch |
| 11:58 |
kados |
so it ignores the branch setting? |
| 11:58 |
|
or it sets the branch setting? |
| 11:58 |
paul |
but someone logging from a non library-IP address is considered as "dunno where it is located, locate it at it's branch" |
| 11:58 |
|
it set the branch depending on IP, ignoring borrowers.branchcode |
| 11:58 |
kados |
ahh |
| 11:59 |
|
ok, and that is strange because it doesn't tell you that |
| 11:59 |
|
ie, the cookie still has branchcode |
| 11:59 |
|
and in my top-right area I have the branch name I specified when I logged in |
| 11:59 |
|
how do you know if it's working? |
| 11:59 |
paul |
??? I tried yesterday and saw the IP branch. |
| 12:00 |
kados |
hmmm |
| 12:00 |
|
my IP is 70.104.110.217 |
| 12:00 |
|
I edit one library and put in the IP |
| 12:01 |
|
I log out as kohaadmin and log back in as a superlibrarian |
| 12:01 |
|
and I specify a different library (branch) than the correct one |
| 12:02 |
paul |
mmm... i'm not sure a "superlibrarian" is limited by branchIP |
| 12:02 |
|
(a feature, not a bug) |
| 12:02 |
kados |
ahh |
| 12:02 |
|
it seems perhaps |
| 12:02 |
paul |
I tried as a librarian with all permissions except superlibrarian |
| 12:02 |
kados |
I logged in as Shannon Processing Branch |
| 12:03 |
|
and it says I'm in Shannon Media Library |
| 12:03 |
|
which is the correct one |
| 12:03 |
|
and I can't override it |
| 12:04 |
|
ok, maybe my previous test was less careful |
| 12:04 |
|
did you submit a patch to hide the menu for selecting branch? |
| 12:04 |
paul |
yep |
| 12:05 |
kados |
paul: I bet I know why it did n't work last time |
| 12:05 |
|
I didn't specify a whole IP address, just three octets |
| 12:05 |
|
70.104.110 |
| 12:05 |
|
should that work? |
| 12:06 |
paul |
but for sure, something is possible |
| 12:06 |
|
(it's SAN-OP feature : they have 100 computers, I don't imagine they entered all IP manuyally ;-) |
| 12:06 |
kados |
ahh, that did it |
| 12:06 |
|
ok, I will add text to the template to explain |
| 12:07 |
|
(hmmm, I don't see your patch accepted ... better re-submit to chris) |
| 12:16 |
|
paul: when you fetch and rebase, the patches you have already sent should not appear next time you do a format-patch |
| 12:17 |
|
that's how I keep track of which ones have been accepted |
| 12:28 |
|
back |
| 12:45 |
|
paul: ? |
| 12:48 |
slef |
kados: if you forget to rm * the patch holding directory, old patches may be resent |
| 12:49 |
|
I've got that wrong once this week |
| 12:49 |
kados |
but I suspect chris is missing some patches |
| 12:49 |
|
we've got virtual domains set up with postfix |
| 12:49 |
slef |
I've used postfix. Not a big fan. Prefer exim4. |
| 12:50 |
|
for anything complex, that is. Postfix seems fine for simple tasks. |
| 12:59 |
paul |
kados: the other possibility is that i have forgotten to report the patch from BibLibre to Official |
| 13:05 |
|
that's it. I have something like a dozen fixes that have not been sent |
| 13:07 |
slef |
paul: do you have 5 mins to check my french? |
| 13:07 |
paul |
no, but throw it anyway ;-) |
| 13:07 |
slef |
Je suis développeur de Koha et anglophone mais j'apprends la langue |
| 13:07 |
|
française il y a 23 ans. Je veux que KohaLa ne couper pas la |
| 13:07 |
|
communauté Koha en deux, une côté français et une côté reste-de-monde. |
| 13:10 |
paul |
s/il y a 23 ans/depuis 23 ans/ |
| 13:10 |
|
s/couper/coupe/ |
| 13:10 |
|
s/une coté/un coté/ |
| 13:10 |
|
otherwise, I really don't see why you're afraid of that (splitting community in 2) |
| 13:11 |
slef |
I'm afraid because KohaLa is very broadly-written, but no-one is willing to explain it to the anglos. |
| 13:14 |
hdl |
slef there is nothing to be afraid of. It was stated at Koha Con that Koha NPOs would be a good thing. |
| 13:15 |
|
KohaLa will just be french Librarian participation in Koha. Just as some NPO for Koha in US or anywhere. |
| 13:16 |
|
French (and American) ppl thought it would be good and smart to have local representations of Koha World. That's it. |
| 13:16 |
slef |
hdl: KohaLa is very broadly-written and there are developers standing for its council already, while it ignores that it is not a whole-community group. |
| 13:17 |
|
on paper, KohaLa is not a simple french librarian group |
| 13:18 |
paul |
slef: KohaLa don't want to be a worldwide group & don't want to be separate from Koha. if you can't believe that, then I can't add anything to convince you... |
| 13:18 |
|
slef: KohaLa don't expect to be a worldwide group & don't want to be separate from Koha. if you can't believe that, then I can't add anything to convince you... |
| 13:20 |
slef |
paul: if the statuts and reglements matched your words, I could believe it, but it's not convincing to say it is a group for french librarians and then have developers stand for its council, with development of koha as its objective. |
| 13:22 |
[K] |
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| 14:07 |
kados |
slef: still aroudn? |
| 14:08 |
|
slef: I think you need to do more than just object to the current language for kohala |
| 14:08 |
|
slef: you need to offer an alternative |
| 14:08 |
|
slef: that allows the french org to 1) get funds to sponsor features in Koha and 2) allows a user group localized in france |
| 14:09 |
|
paul: would that cover the main purposes of kohala/ |
| 14:09 |
|
? |
| 14:10 |
paul |
maybe. probably. |
| 14:11 |
kados |
slef: ? |
| 14:12 |
[K] |
<atzbergerFreeNode> hmmm |
| 14:14 |
slef |
kados: it's difficult for me to write legal French. I think a SCIC looks like the best alternative, but I don't know if that will allow it to get funds. Asking about this got the response that the only way to get funds is to be a 1901-law association, but no references to support that. |
| 14:16 |
kados |
slef: could you write in english at least, clearly explain what you think needs to be changed and offer an alternative? |
| 15:38 |
slef |
apologies for that. blasted network failure |
| 15:39 |
|
kados: it's difficult for me to write legal French. I think a SCIC looks like the best alternative, but I don't know if that will allow it to get funds. Asking about this got the response that the only way to get funds is to be a 1901-law association, but no references to support that. |
| 15:39 |
|
SCIC = Society of Common Interest Cooperation |
| 15:53 |
kados |
well, they really want to be able to get funds |
| 15:53 |
|
so I'd say SCIC isn't the best :-) |
| 15:54 |
slef |
what funds are they trying to get and what conditions are upon them? |
| 15:54 |
kados |
the members want to be abel to get funds to sponsor development work on koha |
| 15:54 |
|
conditions? |
| 15:55 |
slef |
restrictions |
| 15:55 |
kados |
restrictions on what? |
| 15:55 |
|
how the funds can be used? |
| 15:55 |
slef |
what organisations can access funds |
| 15:56 |
kados |
I guess it's up to the members |
| 15:56 |
|
not sure why it would matter to you |
| 15:56 |
slef |
if it was a users group, I'd agree, but it's a users and developers group |
| 15:57 |
kados |
so you consider yourself a default member? |
| 15:57 |
slef |
I'm a potential member |
| 15:57 |
|
as in, I'm in its audience |
| 15:57 |
kados |
well based on our kohacon last year |
| 15:57 |
|
we decided it made more sense to have regional npos |
| 15:57 |
slef |
if it's commissioning developers, I want to suggest it should prefer developer-members |
| 15:57 |
kados |
one in france, one in us, etc. |
| 15:58 |
|
in the US, it wouldn't be allowed to prefer members over non-members |
| 15:58 |
slef |
I've no problems with that aspect. |
| 15:58 |
kados |
in fact, it would be impossible to get funds if those constraints were in place |
| 16:00 |
slef |
kados: usual would just be for developer-members to be excluded from developer selection decisions, wouldn't it? |
| 16:00 |
|
as in, excluded from making them |
| 16:00 |
kados |
yes, that woudl have to be explicit in the bylaws |
| 16:00 |
|
but they also look at the structure of the org |
| 16:01 |
|
and if it's mostly, say, vendors, most funding won't be available |
| 16:01 |
|
even if they abstain from voting |
| 16:01 |
slef |
now that's what I'd thought |
| 16:02 |
|
s/thought/expect/ |
| 16:02 |
|
it either isn't the case for kohala, or there's some aspect of the 1901 law which I've not discovered yet |
| 16:03 |
kados |
I still don't understand what your objection is |
| 16:04 |
|
it sounds like you object to french law :-) |
| 16:05 |
slef |
My objection: 1. possible closed-shop for french developers; 2. disconnect from the koha community; 3. pro-corporation vote system |
| 16:05 |
|
none of those are requirements of french law |
| 16:06 |
kados |
can you expand on each of those points? |
| 16:06 |
slef |
I'll try, but ask questions |
| 16:07 |
|
1. kohala includes the object of developing koha, so it could obtain funds and employ people itself to do it |
| 16:07 |
kados |
I hope it does! |
| 16:07 |
|
what would be wrong with that? |
| 16:08 |
|
it coudl even offer services if it wanted |
| 16:08 |
slef |
because external developers could not compete for the commissions |
| 16:09 |
kados |
so? |
| 16:09 |
slef |
so it's a closed shop... do you see nothing wrong with closed shops? |
| 16:09 |
kados |
liblime is a closed shop :-=) |
| 16:09 |
|
according to your definition :-) |
| 16:10 |
slef |
do people give you money and say "do whatever koha work you fancy"? |
| 16:10 |
|
if so, I want your customers ;-) |
| 16:10 |
kados |
would people be giving kohala money and saying 'do whatever you want'? |
| 16:10 |
|
doesn't seem like it to me |
| 16:11 |
slef |
I thought kohala was seeking grant funding and donations as an NPO |
| 16:12 |
kados |
I had assumed it woudl be for specific projects |
| 16:12 |
slef |
but still there is the problem of developers directing the association, which I'll be fascinated to see how French law handles |
| 16:13 |
kados |
except it can get donations |
| 16:13 |
slef |
and it gets tax breaks |
| 16:14 |
|
so can you see why I want it open to all developers without an entry test? |
| 16:16 |
|
2. kohala is currently written as if it is the koha community, not just part of it. |
| 16:17 |
|
3. pro-corporation vote systems are unjust. The votes wielded by a corporation should be relative to their ownership and level of internal agreement. |
| 16:40 |
kados |
slef: sorry, maybe I'm just dense, but I don't get it still |
| 16:41 |
|
slef: I don't understand why you would care about the internal decision making process of a french NPO |
| 16:41 |
|
if they can get grants and not pay taxes, that is good for the koha project |
| 16:41 |
|
it means more resources for the development |
| 16:41 |
paul |
kados +++ ! |
| 16:42 |
kados |
slef: I don't think justice has anything to do with anything in this case |
| 16:42 |
|
votes should be handled internally by the french NPO |
| 16:42 |
|
as long as they french NPL doesn't think it IS koha, I don't have a problem |
| 16:42 |
paul |
NPL ? PL probably ;-) |
| 16:42 |
kados |
NPO I meant |
| 16:43 |
paul |
ok. No worry anyway... |
| 16:43 |
|
that's also why it's not "koha france" or something like that |
| 16:43 |
kados |
yep |
| 16:43 |
|
makes sense to me |
| 16:43 |
slef |
kados: scope of kohala is not limited to france |
| 16:43 |
kados |
and it allows me to set up the 'Koha Software Foundation' with is US-based |
| 16:44 |
|
slef: there is good reason not to limit to france |
| 16:44 |
|
slef: it looks tbetter on grant application s:-) |
| 16:45 |
|
plus, maybe some french guy from canada would want to be involved |
| 16:45 |
slef |
kados: probably, but you can see why rest of world should care about the operation of such a french NPO |
| 16:45 |
kados |
slef: no, I don't see |
| 16:45 |
|
it's their business IMO |
| 16:45 |
|
just liek if another company started to support Koha |
| 16:45 |
|
it's none of my business how they decide to operate |
| 16:45 |
slef |
its scope is global |
| 16:45 |
kados |
liblime's scope is global too |
| 16:45 |
slef |
another company would be on a fair footing with us |
| 16:45 |
paul |
and BibLibre as well ;-) |
| 16:46 |
|
slef : it's NOT another company ! KohaLa CAN'T compete in business |
| 16:46 |
slef |
that is not so much of a problem |
| 16:46 |
paul |
forbidden by french law, strictly ! |
| 16:46 |
kados |
slef: is it fair that some guy from india gets paid $.30 an hour and a US guy needs a salary of $50 an hour? |
| 16:46 |
|
I don't think it's an issue of fairness |
| 16:47 |
slef |
kados: no. That is why I fair-trade with india. |
| 16:47 |
kados |
if someone can come up with a better way to develop open source software than a US for profit corp, I'd switch in a heartbeat |
| 16:47 |
|
so maybe if kohala is super successful I will sell liblime to it :-) |
| 16:47 |
slef |
we turn away a lot of unfair indian collaborators |
| 16:48 |
paul |
kados : impossible by french law : liblime is PO & kohaLa NPO |
| 16:48 |
kados |
ahh, too bad :-) |
| 16:48 |
paul |
a NPO can't compete in business, once again. |
| 16:50 |
slef |
paul: what stops it? I thought French law only said that a 1901 law association is a NPO, not that it cannot compete in business. |
| 16:50 |
|
I thought the methods were left to the statuts and reglements. |
| 16:50 |
paul |
it's also said that "it can't interfere with merchand domain" |
| 16:51 |
|
so, if nobody want to do business in domain X, KohaLa can. |
| 16:51 |
|
but in libraries, ppl want to do business, so kohala can't ;-) |
| 16:51 |
kados |
interesting |
| 16:51 |
paul |
example : a NPO to promote eating frog legs can't sell frog legs in GB through a website to continue with my stupid example |
| 16:52 |
|
because nobody probably does that already ;-) |
| 16:52 |
kados |
paul: is it just restricted to france? |
| 16:52 |
|
or do they regulate outside of france too? |
| 16:52 |
paul |
I don't think so. |
| 16:52 |
kados |
wow |
| 16:52 |
paul |
but not completly sure. for france, i'm sure 100% |
| 16:52 |
kados |
so really, any NPO could be shut down if a company that offers the same service started? |
| 16:52 |
paul |
example : a NPO to promote eating frog legs CAN sell frog legs in GB through a website to continue with my stupid example |
| 16:53 |
kados |
ahh |
| 16:53 |
paul |
(yes, because nobody does it already) |
| 16:54 |
|
if *one* company started to sell frog legs in GB, AFTER the NPO, I think everybody would be in trouble to know what to do... |
| 16:54 |
[K] |
<atzbergerFreeNode> is the idea of this law to make sure that everything profitable is commercially run? |
| 16:54 |
slef |
seems to say that none of the administrators can have a direct or indirect interest in the results of the exploitation... |
| 16:54 |
kados |
slef: does that include taking salary from the organization? |
| 16:54 |
paul |
[K]: maybe. But probably it's because the NPO don't pay VAT or taxes. |
| 16:55 |
kados |
hehe |
| 16:55 |
slef |
oh wait... that's just what they look at to decide how to continue the examination |
| 16:55 |
paul |
in fact, now I remember that a NPO can, but it need a specific declaration & will, of course pay VAT & taxes. |
| 16:56 |
|
but the NPO can't distribute benefits anyway, so it's only theoric in 99.9% of the cases. |
| 16:56 |
|
will be away tomorrow, as you know ;-) |
| 16:56 |
|
before leaving i'll send something like 15 patches to chris |
| 16:57 |
[K] |
<atzbergerFreeNode> I think it is cool that you are building any organization around Koha: commercial, non-commercial, whatever. |
| 16:58 |
slef |
It does my head in: "can't distribute benefits" but "more resources for the development" |
| 16:59 |
[K] |
<atzbergerFreeNode> I can't pretend to know what is best in France, or to influence what goes on... so have at it! |
| 16:59 |
paul |
[K]: in fact, hdl & me are building a profit company, that will be called BibLibre (Bib= Library in french, Libre = free) I have deposed statuses & bank paper proving we have deposed the money... 3 hours ago ;-) |
| 17:00 |
|
slef: you've got it. KohaLa, as NPO can only be a chance for the project. At the lowest it will be useless... |
| 17:00 |
[K] |
<atzbergerFreeNode> bbl: (off to site visit) |
| 17:00 |
kados |
from my perspective, we're all on the same page about koha, we want a successful project, and we all have different approaches to acomplish that, liblime is a US corp, turo is a UK firm, BibLibre is a french company, KohaLa is a french NPL, Koha Software Foundation is a american NPO |
| 17:01 |
|
what approach is the best to promote the project? I'm not sure yet :-) |
| 17:01 |
slef |
paul: how can kohala give more resources for development if it cannot distribute any benefits? |
| 17:01 |
kados |
but I can say for sure that libraryes aren't able to run it themselves |
| 17:01 |
|
we tried that for what, 5 years? |
| 17:01 |
slef |
kados: turo is a UK LLP co-op. |
| 17:01 |
paul |
it can't distribute to members. but it can to external companies (fortnuatly) |
| 17:02 |
|
not as benefits, but as way to achieve it's goal! |
| 17:02 |
kados |
slef: yea, knew that :-) |
| 17:02 |
|
so what's the most effective way to foster this community? I dunno, but it's good to have all these options IMO |
| 17:03 |
slef |
paul: so no kohala work can be sold to any developer-member or be useful to any user-member? |
| 17:14 |
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kados: most of the advisers who I find with sample 1901 rules seem to charge for them. I'm unhappy enough that kohala consumes time, let alone it costing money directly. |
| 17:14 |
|
returning to the question: |
| 17:14 |
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<kados> slef: I don't understand why you would care about the internal decision making process of a french NPO |
| 17:17 |
|
If someone set up a US Koha Software Foundation in another state which seemed to be directed by US-based koha users and developers on terms that disadvantaged liblime, wouldn't you care? |
| 17:17 |
kados |
if someone can build an organization that disadvantages liblime, I'd want to dissolve liblime and join it :-) |
| 17:17 |
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so long as it was pro-koha |
| 17:18 |
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ie, if there's a more efficient way to promote and develop koha, I want in! :-) |
| 17:18 |
slef |
and if it has rules which seem designed to stop you joining it? |
| 17:18 |
kados |
I'd just replicate the model |
| 17:18 |
slef |
yeah, that's another option here |
| 17:19 |
|
so, seems we have two different motives: I want my enterprise to survive and co-operate with the rest of the community, not die in its favour; and I prefer to fix rather than fork |
| 17:20 |
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for now, I'm trying in, but the barriers to entry are surprising |
| 17:22 |
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we can and we do... we're limited by number of workers at the moment |
| 17:22 |
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we don't go after donations because we can't |
| 17:23 |
kados |
gotcha |
| 17:23 |
slef |
well, we can in theory, but in practice no-one donates to for-profit co-ops |
| 17:23 |
kados |
yea, it's time consuming |
| 17:23 |
|
ahh |
| 17:24 |
slef |
we get project funding instead |
| 17:25 |
kados |
yep, us too |
| 17:55 |
jaron |
"When I passed by the LihLime booth on the exhibit floor at the ALA Annual Conference, it was so crowded I could not get near it. Perhaps they were giving away T-shirts or bouncing rubber balls that flash or such, but I'll bet that attendees were interested in the open source ILS solutions that the company supports—Koha ZOOM and Evergreen." --October Computers in Libraries p. 23 |
| 17:55 |
kados |
heh, cool |
| 17:56 |
jaron |
do you have bouncing rubber balls that flash? |
| 17:57 |
kados |
hehe |
| 17:58 |
|
no, but that's a good idea :-) |
| 17:58 |
jaron |
could be dangerous in a packed booth though |
| 21:22 |
thd` |
kados: did you miscount? |
| 21:23 |
thd |
kados: I sent you a message |
| 21:23 |
kados |
thd: thanks |
| 21:23 |
|
ahh, yes I did misscount |
| 21:23 |
thd |
Frederic: I sent you a message if you are still awake |
| 21:23 |
kados |
sorry |
| 21:24 |
thd |
kados: so the 13 I listed after the current 18 should be enough |
| 21:24 |
kados |
thd: so this list is the 'Koha 3.0 MARC21 Items' definition? :-) |
| 21:26 |
thd |
kados: yes it is. Just use the 13 in some logical order and preserve the ones listed afterwards. |
| 21:26 |
kados |
ok, great |
| 21:26 |
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tests |
| 21:27 |
thd |
kados: you should see that I did suggest some difficult choices for others if you need more. |
| 21:27 |
kados |
I'll just do 18 + 13 for now |
| 21:27 |
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and see how I like that |
| 21:27 |
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give me a sec |
| 21:32 |
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| 21:36 |
thd |
kados: take $m |
| 21:36 |
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my mistake |
| 21:37 |
kados |
$m? |
| 21:37 |
thd |
952 $m |
| 21:37 |
kados |
ahh |
| 21:37 |
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I see |
| 21:37 |
thd |
take that one for the 13th |
| 21:37 |
kados |
ok |
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ok, working, thankx thd |
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thd: missing: 'wthdrawn', 'issues', 'renewals', 'reserves', 'binding', 'onloan', 'cutterextra', 'issue_date', 'itype' |
| 21:42 |
thd |
kados: that would be more than 36 |
| 21:43 |
kados |
? |
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well cutterextra can fit somewhere into an unmapped one, right? |
| 21:43 |
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copy number maybe? |
| 21:43 |
thd |
kados: yes |
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but you have more than 36 |
| 21:44 |
kados |
there're aren't more than 36 koha fields in items |
| 21:44 |
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ok, lets see |
| 21:45 |
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do we really need public vs non-public note? |
| 21:46 |
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sequence number? do we really need that in 3.0? |
| 21:46 |
thd |
they match items columns |
| 21:46 |
kados |
or canceled barcode? |
| 21:46 |
thd |
kados did you not use the 13? |
| 21:46 |
kados |
nonpub note doesn't match an items column |
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I have 30 total |
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0, 1, 4, 9, b, c, d, e, k |
| 21:48 |
thd |
you have not used all the 13 |
| 21:49 |
kados |
p, r, t, u, v, w, x, y, z, 3, 6, 8, a, f, g, j, l |
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n, q, s, m |
| 21:49 |
thd |
nonpublic is in the 13 |
| 21:49 |
kados |
yes, it is, but I question why we need it |
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(I actually see two nonpublic notes |
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) |
| 21:50 |
thd |
really |
| 21:50 |
kados |
that was what caused the 952 x prob |
| 21:51 |
thd |
yes so if you use $m that should be enough |
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| 21:52 |
kados |
thd: can you take the list I gave you of what's missing and recommend a subfield structure? |
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hey rangi, what brings you here? |
| 21:53 |
chris |
just use that one to set off the beeps on my mac |
| 21:53 |
kados |
cool |
| 02:13 |
thd |
kados: are you back? |
| 02:13 |
kados |
thd: yep |
| 02:14 |
thd |
kados: so when is version 4.0 coming out? |
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s/4/3/ |
| 02:15 |
chris |
when its ready |
| 02:15 |
kados |
hehe |
| 02:15 |
thd |
chris: I knew that before :) |
| 02:16 |
chris |
depends how many people fix bugs :) |
| 02:16 |
kados |
thd: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]e+same+sort+as+la |
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hehe |
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sorry |
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http://tinyurl.com/34l9uu |
| 02:17 |
chris |
all the blockers, crits and majors |
| 02:17 |
kados |
thd: minimally, when the bugs are fixed and we haven't found more serious bugs with testing |
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yep |
| 02:17 |
thd |
kados: how did all those things get broken? |
| 02:18 |
kados |
thd: I'm glad someones asking that question :-) |
| 02:18 |
chris |
not all of them got broken |
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lots of them never werent broken |
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theres a bunch of new features |
| 02:18 |
thd |
kados: I asked because you seemed to suggest that it had to come out soon |
| 02:19 |
chris |
theres a few of those blockers that have had patches submitted, need testing |
| 02:19 |
kados |
yep |
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thd: yes, it does! |
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thd |
kados: also Frederic called me today to ask because he could not obtain an answer from paul |
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kados: I told him what I knew and told him to ask you |
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kados: have you promised any timeline to customers? |
| 02:26 |
kados |
http://git.koha.org/gitstat/ |
| 02:29 |
chris |
i dont think the mailing thing works on it, but most other stuff does |
| 02:30 |
kados |
cool |
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kados |
hiya joe |
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[K] |
<atzbergerFreeNode> hola |
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thd |
chris: Do you still have any plans to implement something for items.stack, items.binding, items.multivolume, or items.multivolumepart ? |
| 04:28 |
chris |
reimplement you mean? they were all used in koha 1 .. but no, no plans to reimplement that in the near future |
| 04:29 |
thd |
chris: what about the distant future? :) |
| 04:29 |
chris |
nope, all that will be changing with the marc holdings stuff |
| 04:30 |
thd |
chris: kados: asked me to map all the items columns to the MARC 21 frameworks for indexing in Zebra but I wanted to know if some lacked a purpose worthy of indexing |
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chirs: this is for 3.0 |
| 04:31 |
chris |
they'll be used if you map a marc subfield to them |
| 04:32 |
thd |
chirs: who will use them if they have no functionality? |
| 04:32 |
chris |
ie, if you map a subfield to them, and edit the marc and add data to that subfield, then they will be populated |
| 04:33 |
thd |
chris: you mean that someone may populate them if they choose but the program will do nothing useful with the data except store it |
| 04:33 |
chris |
yeah |
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but those are certainly fields that in the marc you might want to search |
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whether they are in teh items table or not |
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ie you might want to know a serial is part of a bound volume |
| 04:35 |
thd |
chris: was that the function of items.binding or one of the others? |
| 04:35 |
chris |
but probably not the other ones |
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items.binding |
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sorry items.multivolume |
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and multivolumepart was which part of it it was |
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iirc |
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its been 8 years :-) |
| 04:36 |
thd |
:) |
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chris |
i wouldnt worry about them too much |
| 04:37 |
thd |
chris: well what is items.issues ? |
| 04:37 |
chris |
just a count |
| 04:37 |
thd |
of what? |
| 04:37 |
chris |
its incremented everytime its issued |
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you might want to use it to rank results |
| 04:38 |
thd |
oh so that records circulation statistics |
| 04:38 |
chris |
yeah, just a simple count |
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all the real stats are in the statistics table, when it was issued, in what branch etc |
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but that is just a simple total |
| 04:38 |
thd |
yes |
| 04:39 |
chris |
you can find items that have never been issued fast using it |
| 04:39 |
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not sure youd want to search on it |
| 04:39 |
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more for reporting |
| 04:40 |
thd |
chris: I think kados had sorting results by that field in mind |
| 04:40 |
chris |
yeah you could use it for the popularity |
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ranking |
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im not sure how thats done currently |
| 04:41 |
thd |
chris: maybe kados has something in mind |
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chris: I may not map items.stack and items.binding |
| 04:42 |
chris |
right |
| 04:42 |
thd |
but I think I may map items.multivolume, and items.multivolumepart |
| 04:42 |
chris |
cool |
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thd |
chris: I forgot to ask. what is items.timestamp ? |
| 05:01 |
chris |
just that a timestamp, mysql has a datatype timestamp, which is updated everytime a row is changed |
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basically you can see the last time that item was modified |
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ie if did a update items set issues=3 where barcode='something'; |
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then the timestamp would be updated by mysql |
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not something you would search on |
| 05:04 |
thd |
chris: can you think of any reason to store it in MARC if you were not relying upon the SQL to hold anything needed? |
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chris: does it have any use for any purpose other than diagnostics? |
| 05:05 |
chris |
nope |
| 05:06 |
thd |
so maybe I won't map that one either |
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thanks chris |
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