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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:26 | kados | morning owen |
| 12:26 | paul | hello kados |
| 12:26 | kados | hi paul |
| 12:26 | paul | & owen |
| 12:28 | kados | paul: re: 1446 ... very strange you don't have this prob with unimarc, esp since we found the prob and it's in the code! |
| 12:28 | paul | you're completly right |
| 12:28 | kados | since there was another bulkmarcimport error |
| 12:28 | also | |
| 12:29 | it's a clear indication to us that 3.0 w/kohastructure.sql is != to what you use with updatedatabase | |
| 12:30 | paul: also, I don't think it's a good idea to omit the nozebra table | |
| 12:31 | paul: and create/populate it 'on the fly' | |
| 12:31 | paul | (on phone) |
| 12:31 | owen | Hi guys |
| 12:31 | kados | hiya owen |
| 12:31 | owen | Busy weekend, hunh? 8:30 AM Monday and I"m already behind! |
| 12:31 | kados | :-) |
| 12:31 | yea, we did some testing this weekend | |
| 12:32 | this week should be a busy one on #koha, koha-devel and git | |
| 12:41 | paul | (back) |
| 12:42 | kados : OK to add nozebra table to kohastructure.sql if you think it's useful. | |
| 12:43 | kados | also other missing tables |
| 12:43 | and please note the kohastructure.sql changes I made over the weekend | |
| 12:43 | some column defs were listed as NOT NULL | |
| 12:43 | and I changed them to default NULL | |
| 12:43 | because they broke bulkmarcimport | |
| 12:44 | also, could you explain the additional columns in biblioitems? | |
| 12:44 | what are they used for? | |
| 12:44 | paul | to store serial collections informations |
| 12:45 | to be able to show them easily. Those fields are often requested by libraries, for example in the result list. | |
| 12:45 | hdl wrote that in july, and, iirc, spoke of this with you. | |
| 12:45 | kados | so there are new mappings to create? |
| 12:45 | paul | (I was in holidays, he told me that on phone, I may be wrong) |
| 12:46 | yes! | |
| 12:46 | kados | k |
| 12:46 | paul | a question from me now : |
| 12:46 | about khastructure.sql, you say in 1448 that browser table is not here. | |
| 12:46 | but I see it in git | |
| 12:46 | kados | I'm just reporting what I find |
| 12:46 | when I run the script | |
| 12:46 | paul | s/tag/browser/ sorry. |
| 12:47 | browser is missing, you're right. | |
| 12:47 | but tags (comment #1 of 1448) | |
| 12:48 | kados | the hierarchy feature fails for another reason? |
| 12:48 | from my brief look at the code, the hierarchy feature relies on the browser table too | |
| 12:48 | all I know is it don't work :-) | |
| 12:49 | I was just guessing why | |
| 12:49 | paul | ah, ok, I misunderstood. |
| 12:49 | the hierarchy feature works with the "browser" table, it's right | |
| 12:50 | kados | paul: also, you use a mysqldump to generate your sysprefs |
| 12:50 | in the data/fr dir | |
| 12:50 | this means that there's no way to easily track changes to sysprefs | |
| 12:50 | and it's also not easy to see what is different between english and french sysprefs | |
| 12:50 | I'd highly suggest you create and maintain a human-readable sysprefs.sql file | |
| 12:52 | paul | I've seen the problem. And I think I should at least use some flags to have a more easily human readable dump, you're right. |
| 12:52 | (+ maybe it could solve the commit problem i have with those accented chars) | |
| 12:53 | are you OK to add a new step in the installer (to let the user choose between zebra & nozebra ?) | |
| 12:53 | kados | sure |
| 12:53 | as long as it doesn't break the installer :-) | |
| 12:54 | paul | nobody's perfect, but i'll try ! |
| 12:54 | ah, kados, a BIG NEWS ! | |
| 12:54 | it's finally here ! | |
| 12:55 | you won't believe it, but it's live since this morning. | |
| 12:55 | . | |
| 12:55 | . | |
| 12:55 | . | |
| 12:55 | http://www.mediathequeouestprovence.fr/ | |
| 12:55 | kados | wow, funny |
| 12:55 | paul | click on "catalogue & ressources" to reach Koha (or search in "Rechercher sur", radio "le catalogue" |
| 12:56 | it's done with typo3 | |
| 12:56 | kados | hehe, it's broken for me |
| 12:56 | firefox rejects the popul | |
| 12:56 | popup | |
| 12:56 | Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMHTMLFormElement.submit]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: http://www.mediathequeouestpro[…]te/rechercher.php :: onload :: line 1" data: no] | |
| 12:56 | paul | ! right, same for me ! |
| 13:03 | hdl | kados : About change in authorities frameworks, I did it last year. |
| 13:03 | It was to prepare a merge between biblios and authorities management. | |
| 13:04 | Merge which is not good now. | |
| 13:04 | But still, some features are really useful. | |
| 13:04 | a) it enables ppl to link an authority with an other one, just like biblios. | |
| 13:05 | kados | I'd like to see 'a)' in action |
| 13:05 | do you have an example? | |
| 13:05 | hdl | (frameworkcode is used as authtypecode for authorities. I could not find a good name : relatedauthorities.) |
| 13:05 | (could be) | |
| 13:06 | Not live. | |
| 13:07 | paul | kados : http://koha.mediathequeouestpr[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 13:11 | hdl | Could be soon live when authorities framework input will be based on biblios framework. |
| 14:32 | kados | hdl: could you explain that? |
| 14:32 | hdl: authorities framework input based on biblios framework? | |
| 14:33 | hdl | I have to add [...] after a subfield if subfield is linked to an authtypecode and open an auth_finder.pl window |
| 14:34 | kados | in the marc editor? |
| 14:46 | thd | kados: if the [...] link is doing something useful for your users now, it should be more noticeable than 3 dots are. |
| 14:47 | kados | hdl: I'm still unclear whether you're adding that to the biblio or authorities editor |
| 14:48 | hdl | kados: marceditor for authorities |
| 14:52 | kados ? | |
| 14:53 | kados | hdl: so the ... would allow you to link two authorities? |
| 14:53 | hdl | yes. |
| 14:54 | kados | as peers or in a hierarchy? |
| 14:54 | hdl | a 550 field would contain Broader term, Specific term or see also depending on $5 value |
| 14:54 | (to be an authorised_value list) | |
| 14:55 | thd... Do you confirm that $5 USMARC-A contains relation code ? | |
| 14:56 | For UNIMARC $5 contains g for generic, h for specific, nothing for peer | |
| 15:03 | kados | I'd like to see an easy way to link peer authority records for doing, e.g., multi-language authorities |
| 15:03 | one in turkish, one in english | |
| 15:03 | afaik, that's a manual process right now | |
| 15:04 | thd | hdl: In MARC 21 that would be the first position of 450 or 550 $w |
| 15:05 | hdl | thd is there many positions in $w ? |
| 15:06 | tumer did some work about that. | |
| 15:07 | But you have then 2 thesaurii (1 for each language) and you link different authorities. | |
| 15:07 | kados | paul: did you revive stopwords? |
| 15:07 | pauor just for NoZebra? | |
| 15:08 | paul | kados : yes. and not just for nozebra. |
| 15:08 | kados | hmmm |
| 15:08 | will it die if you have no stopwords defined? | |
| 15:08 | paul | Search now removes stopwords before sending the query to zebra |
| 15:08 | thd | hdl: 4XX - 5XX $w is perhaps variable length but if position 0, the first position, is filled then it may include the relationship of the tracing or reference to the main heading of the authority |
| 15:08 | paul | kados : I hope no, but haven't tested, that's true ;-) |
| 15:09 | thd | hdl: there are up to 4 optional positions for 4XX-5XX $w |
| 15:11 | hdl: For linking fields 7XX, $w functions like UNIMARC $3 and contains the control number of the linked record | |
| 15:14 | hdl: In MARC 21 $5 contains the institution code in case the particular field is only meant to apply to a particular institution. I have never noticed a real MARC 21 record using $5. | |
| 15:17 | paul: what happens to a title query when the title contains only stopwords? | |
| 15:19 | paul: Andy Warhol has a novel entitled "A". Stephen King wrote a novel entitled "It". | |
| 15:26 | kados | Opera has a publication called "O" |
| 15:26 | :-) | |
| 15:31 | owen | Opera -> Oprah |
| 15:32 | kados | hehe |
| 15:33 | paul | maybe we should remove stopwords only for word search, not for exact search. Could that be correct ? |
| 15:34 | or, if there is no answer, re-query with empty words included | |
| 15:47 | kados | IMO, stopwords should be configured at the index level |
| 18:18 | owen | Will/Should a z39.50 search from addbiblio work if the ISBN is hyphenated? |
| 18:24 | kados: did you test addbiblio over the weekend? | |
| 18:24 | kados | it _should_ work with hyphens |
| 18:24 | if it doesn't, let me know | |
| 18:25 | owen | I just tried adding a biblio and it didn't work. It looked like it was working...it forwarded on to additem |
| 18:37 | No Amazon features in 3.0? | |
| 18:38 | Oh, I see the sysprefs now | |
| 19:18 | hdl | owen : did you have an error ? |
| 19:18 | I had the same problem with my installation. But it was a problem of field missing in biblioitems | |
| 19:19 | owen | An entry was created in the biblio table, but not in biblioitems. Should a line be created in biblioitems even if there are no items yet? |
| 19:20 | The way I discovered the problem was that after saving the biblio I tried to enter an item and that failed. When I went back to check for the biblio details on catalogue/detail.pl, nothing showed up | |
| 19:22 | hdl | owen : yes, a line in biblioitems should be created even if no item is created. |
| 19:22 | It is biblioitems which contains marcrecord. | |
| 19:22 | owen | That's what I thought. No entry in biblioitems was created. |
| 19:23 | hdl | In fact, you have biblio = Title author and primary information |
| 19:23 | biblioitems = editor, editionstatement asoasf | |
| 19:23 | (itemtype is in biblioitems) | |
| 19:24 | owen | I wonder if it's a frameworks problem? When I try to change the framework in addbiblio.pl, several come up blank |
| 19:25 | hdl | We could say that Koha COULD be ready for a kind of FRBRization... (If we managed multiple biblioitems for one biblio, which we donot do anymore.) |
| 19:25 | owen : did you have acces to logs ? | |
| 19:25 | Don't you have any mysql error ? | |
| 19:25 | owen | I'll try adding again and see if I can see an error |
| 19:28 | I can't see anything in the logs, but I'm not sure I'm looking in the right place. I'd have to double-check with kados, since it's his testing server | |
| 19:34 | kados | owen: the log in your home dir is the right one |
| 19:36 | owen | [Mon Oct 01 14:27:25 2007] [error] [client 66.213.78.34] [Mon Oct 1 14:27:25 2007] addbiblio.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'editionresponsibility' in 'field list' at /home/oleonard/koha/production/intranet/modules/C4/Biblio.pm line 3495., referer: http://staff.oleonard/cgi-bin/[…]0=1&breedingid=34 |
| 19:36 | [Mon Oct 01 14:27:26 2007] [error] [client 66.213.78.34] [Mon Oct 1 14:27:26 2007] additem.pl: COUNT8 at value_builder/barcode.pl line 83., referer: http://staff.oleonard/cgi-bin/[…]0=1&breedingid=34 | |
| 19:51 | kados | owen: you need to reinstall |
| 19:51 | owen | Whee. |
| 19:51 | kados | owen: that's the error the ryan fixed a couple days ago |
| 19:52 | it's a db-level prob | |
| 19:52 | owen: how much data have you put into your system? | |
| 19:52 | owen | I'd happily wipe the system if we could get Zebra working in the process |
| 19:52 | kados | ok, lets do it |
| 04:47 | Irma | Hi all...I am looking for Russel. Is he around? |
| 09:02 | chris | lol |
| 09:03 | masonj | :) |
| 09:03 | chris | did you read pauls latest email mason? |
| 09:04 | google translates it as | |
| 09:04 | ASSOCIATION OF FOND OF DELICACIES OF FROG THIGHS | |
| 09:04 | thats classic | |
| 09:05 | masonj | ohh man , thats cute |
| 09:06 | chris | i had escargot though |
| 09:06 | masonj | still reading!.... |
| 09:08 | paul | hello folks ! |
| 09:08 | frog legs are something very sweet. | |
| 09:08 | (less keen of escargots) | |
| 09:09 | masonj | i havent tried either |
| 09:12 | chris | ill have to visit again paul, and we can go out for frog legs :) |
| 09:14 | and creme brulee | |
| 09:14 | i think i had creme brulee every second day :) | |
| 09:32 | paul | chris : not that good for your health to eat creme brulee every 2nd day ;-) |
| 09:32 | chris | lucky i was only there for 2 weeks :) |
| 09:33 | paul | chris : 3 patches in your mailbox. |
| 09:33 | chris | pain au chocolat in the morning, creme brulee at night |
| 09:34 | cool ill go look | |
| 09:36 | cool nice patches, ive pushed them up to the RM repo | |
| 09:36 | so when kados wakes up ;) | |
| 09:40 | paul | the france => NZ => US workflow is not timezone optimized... |
| 09:42 | chris | :) |
| 09:42 | means there is always someone working :) | |
| 09:42 | http://www.wellingtonnz.com/Re[…]rdeaux+Bakery.htm | |
| 09:42 | best pain au chocolat in wellington | |
| 09:43 | ahh new caledonia is close | |
| 09:43 | paul | the main NC library (bernheim) moves to Koha |
| 09:43 | chris | very cool |
| 09:43 | paul | with most the small ones. Could be the 1st "Koha country" ;-) |
| 09:43 | chris | soon the whole pacific, so far its the cook islands |
| 09:43 | samoa | |
| 09:43 | fiji | |
| 09:44 | and new caledonia | |
| 09:44 | paul | chris, did you see : http://www.mediathequeouestprovence.fr/ |
| 09:44 | ? | |
| 09:44 | (click on "catalogue & ressources") | |
| 09:45 | same in french as in english... | |
| 09:45 | chris | ohhh cool |
| 09:46 | nice and fast | |
| 09:46 | 6 books about maori :) | |
| 09:46 | thats very cool paul | |
| 09:47 | paul | (not from me at all) |
| 09:47 | chris | tell bruno and arnaud congratulations on a great site when you see them |
| 09:49 | its very fast, all the way to new zealand | |
| 09:50 | so must be super fast there | |
| 09:54 | ok, i think bedtime for me, have a good day paul | |
| 09:54 | paul | bye & good day |
| 09:54 | bye & good night | |
| 09:56 | masonj | yes, the new koha looks stunning |
| 09:56 | rach | v nce paul |
| 09:56 | paul | hello rach & masonj |
| 09:56 | masonj | heya rach :) |
| 09:57 | rach | hi ya |
| 09:58 | ah finally ben is asleep | |
| 09:58 | paul | rach : our daylight change in in 3 weeks... |
| 09:59 | rach | somehow we have managed to get going to bed at old time combined with getting up at new time :-( |
| 09:59 | which makes the night seem v short | |
| 10:00 | it just changed last weekend | |
| 10:00 | ah but finally si has managed to get ben to sleep so now I can head off | |
| 10:00 | paul | sweet night |
| 10:01 | rach | have a good day :-) |
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