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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 18:56 | hdl | kados ? |
| 18:56 | dewey | kados is becoming a true Perl Monger... |
| 19:39 | thd | Is kados here? |
| 21:30 | kados: are you there? | |
| 21:30 | kados: I found a small bug | |
| 00:35 | Strait | good morning everyone |
| 02:12 | strange... | |
| 02:12 | i can' | |
| 02:12 | paul_away | hello all |
| 02:12 | Strait | t seem to find a place to define the itemtype of an item?? |
| 02:12 | ToinS | hi all ! |
| 02:12 | Strait | hello paul |
| 02:18 | hdl | hi |
| 02:21 | mason | strait: its in the modbibitem.pl script, from moredetail.pl |
| 02:22 | Strait | hmm, how do i get there from the user interface? |
| 02:23 | mason | from here -> /cgi-bin/koha/detail.pl?bib=23740 |
| 02:23 | click the barcode of an item, which takes you to here | |
| 02:23 | /cgi-bin/koha/moredetail.pl?type=&item=23020&bib=23740&bi=23740 | |
| 02:24 | then under the 'GROUP' record, click the 'modify' button | |
| 02:25 | which takes you to here -> /cgi-bin/koha/modbibitem.pl | |
| 02:25 | Strait | hold on, i'll change the language ;) |
| 02:25 | mason | lol :) |
| 02:25 | Strait | i've been working on the finnish translation |
| 02:25 | it's not quite finished yet | |
| 02:26 | so the system speaks gibberish | |
| 02:26 | mason | wow! |
| 02:27 | Strait | i have Group Number: 1 |
| 02:27 | but no modify button | |
| 02:28 | mason | on moredetail.pl ? |
| 02:29 | Strait | yep |
| 02:29 | i had npl template | |
| 02:29 | mason | ah, let me change to that |
| 02:30 | Strait | i see the group record on default template |
| 02:30 | but modify button does nothing :( | |
| 02:32 | mason | ok, ive got it |
| 02:32 | do a search... | |
| 02:32 | /cgi-bin/koha/search.marc/search.pl | |
| 02:33 | select an item, which takes you here -> /cgi-bin/koha/MARCdetail.pl?bib=23740 | |
| 02:34 | Strait | right |
| 02:34 | mason | click 'edit items', which goes here -> /cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/additem.pl?bibid=1221527 |
| 02:34 | Strait | yep |
| 02:34 | mason | the click 'edit bib record', which goes here -> /cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/addbiblio.pl?oldbiblionumber=23740 |
| 02:35 | the clck 'page 6'... | |
| 02:35 | Strait | tab 6 |
| 02:35 | mason | yup |
| 02:35 | Strait | i don't have that :( |
| 02:35 | 0-5 | |
| 02:36 | mason | doh, |
| 02:36 | Strait | what fields do i need there? |
| 02:36 | mason | what ver of koha u got? |
| 02:36 | Page 6 | |
| 02:36 | Strait | 2.2.5 |
| 02:36 | mason | 942 - Biblioitem information |
| 02:36 | a Institution code | |
| 02:36 | c item type | |
| 02:36 | k dewey | |
| 02:36 | Strait | 942? |
| 02:37 | is that marc21 or unimarc? | |
| 02:37 | mason | this koha is on 2.2.2 |
| 02:37 | Strait | or some koha-specific non-marc field? |
| 02:37 | mason | no, i thinks its plain old marc21 |
| 02:38 | Strait | not according to http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/nlr/ |
| 02:38 | marc21 doesn't have that | |
| 02:38 | mason | from sys pref's -> 'marcflavour MARC21' |
| 02:38 | Strait | koha doesn though |
| 02:39 | i am using marc21 already | |
| 02:39 | koha has that field i see | |
| 02:39 | managed on tab 5 XD | |
| 02:40 | ok, so it's tab 5 for me, not 6 | |
| 02:40 | found it now | |
| 02:41 | thanks a lot :) | |
| 02:41 | mason | hee hee , great :) |
| 02:41 | Strait | hmm, maybe 9xx fields are some library/systemspecfic things in marc21 |
| 02:42 | since the "official" marc21 doesn't seem to have them at all | |
| 02:42 | specific even... | |
| 02:44 | mason | yes, it could well be |
| 03:25 | slef | mornings-- |
| 03:26 | house mods-- | |
| 05:39 | Strait | do you have somekind of recommendations on how to deal with shortcuts on translations? |
| 05:39 | I'm translating NPL templates | |
| 05:39 | they have these handy shortcuts for the most commonly used functions | |
| 05:40 | the problem is that in different languages the shortcuts don't make any sense | |
| 05:40 | for example: Quick Search = Pikahaku | |
| 05:40 | in finnish | |
| 05:40 | no Q in that... | |
| 05:40 | so right now the ui shows QPikahaku :D | |
| 05:40 | slef | some sites I know use numbers and arbitrary letters for shortcuts |
| 05:41 | so I guess I'd label it as Pikahaku [Q] | |
| 05:41 | or similar | |
| 05:41 | like in a menu | |
| 05:41 | Strait | then the changes will have to be made to the templates? |
| 05:41 | slef | or Q: Pikahaku |
| 05:41 | Strait | that might be a good way |
| 05:41 | the switching languages wouldn't change the shortcuts | |
| 05:42 | slef | I'd expect this would be a known problem in UI translation |
| 05:42 | Strait | +n |
| 05:42 | slef | but I've not really read up on it |
| 05:42 | I think I've done all of one and a half translations so far | |
| 05:42 | and both of those were command line programs | |
| 05:42 | where, sadly, the option flags don't change | |
| 05:42 | so not all make sense | |
| 05:43 | Strait | in commandline programs it's good in my opinion that flags stay |
| 05:43 | even if they don't make sense | |
| 05:43 | slef | stuff like "--expire mortigxu daton" in the help messages :-/ |
| 05:43 | erm, igxi | |
| 05:44 | help messages seem to always be infinitive | |
| 05:44 | nfi why | |
| 05:45 | Strait | i'm not sure about dm-interfaces |
| 05:45 | in them it would be reasonable to expect that shortcuts follow the language of the ui | |
| 05:45 | but then they would change from language version to another | |
| 05:46 | slef | dm? |
| 05:46 | Strait | direct manipulation |
| 05:46 | gui-like thingys | |
| 05:47 | which is what koha is | |
| 05:47 | slef | I'm just looking at a few other projects |
| 05:47 | Strait | of course it has little to do with graphics ;) |
| 05:48 | slef | The welsh KDE/Gnomers seem to keep the characters the same |
| 05:48 | http://www.kyfieithu.co.uk/remember.php?lg=en | |
| 05:48 | Strait | in finland they have traditionally been translated in the menus |
| 05:48 | but for example undo is always CTRL+Z | |
| 05:49 | save CTRL+S | |
| 05:49 | cut CTRL+X | |
| 05:49 | and so on | |
| 05:49 | but in the menus the underlined letter is language specifis | |
| 05:49 | s=c | |
| 05:52 | I could change the shortcuts directly the the templates | |
| 05:52 | to the | |
| 05:52 | (god i make so many mistakes in english :D) | |
| 05:52 | slef | KDE seems to have no policy on it |
| 05:53 | Strait | i'll discuss it with the others in finnish koha-project |
| 05:53 | we have default templates translated | |
| 05:53 | but npl seems better for out purposes | |
| 05:53 | our :D | |
| 05:54 | npl-templates are better at dealing with varying length of the words in translations | |
| 05:55 | we had big problems with that using the default templates | |
| 08:29 | paul | hello pierrick |
| 08:29 | pierrick | hello paul ;-) |
| 09:24 | kyle | has anyone seen this message in their koha-access_log: |
| 09:24 | 194.144.127.250 - - [24/Jun/2006:16:10:20 -0400] "GET /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind:) HTTP/1.1" 400 226 | |
| 09:33 | kados | looks like a hacker attack attempt |
| 09:33 | or just some goofy bot :-) | |
| 10:25 | owen | kados: you around? |
| 11:35 | kados | owen: am now |
| 11:35 | owen: what's shaking? | |
| 11:35 | owen | Hey, how's it going? |
| 11:35 | paul_away | and i'm no more ;-) |
| 11:35 | kados | not bad |
| 11:35 | hey paul_away | |
| 11:35 | have a good evening | |
| 11:35 | paul_away | bye guys, i'll will be here tomorrow |
| 11:36 | IPT tested 2.2.6 today, reported me some minor problems. | |
| 11:36 | kados | cool |
| 11:36 | paul_away | i plan to fix them tomorrow |
| 11:36 | kados | with marc21 |
| 11:36 | and found some probs with normal acquisitions | |
| 11:36 | at least with npl tempaltes (maybe default too) | |
| 11:37 | paul_away | however, i will be away for 1 week for my personnal move (home move), from thursday to next tuesday |
| 11:37 | kados | right |
| 11:37 | (have a good move :-)) | |
| 11:41 | owen | so kados, what are you seeing with Acquisitions? |
| 11:41 | I noticed something this morning and I don't know if it's a bug or not |
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