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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:02 | slef | hi all... anyone alive? |
| 16:41 | chris | i am now too |
| 16:55 | thd | is slef alive? |
| 17:47 | kados | hi all |
| 17:47 | thd: now would be a good time to chat | |
| 17:48 | thd: I'll be around most of the evening working on zoomopac :-) | |
| 17:48 | thd | kados: on phone |
| 17:49 | kados | k |
| 17:52 | chris | howd the boothing go? |
| 17:52 | kados | not bad |
| 17:52 | had some great chats with folks | |
| 17:52 | we're boothing with Index Data this time | |
| 17:52 | so it's been great to connect with Sebastian | |
| 17:52 | lots of good ideas floated and such | |
| 17:54 | chris | cool |
| 17:54 | much interest in koha? | |
| 17:55 | kados | yea, quite a few leads |
| 17:55 | chris | sweet |
| 17:57 | lots of booths? | |
| 18:06 | thd | kados: I am off phone now |
| 18:06 | kados | chris: yea, loads of them ... 800 vendors I think |
| 18:07 | thd | kados: how does your experience this year compare to last? |
| 18:07 | kados | it's very similar, though I'm a lot less nervous ;-) |
| 18:07 | the new zoom search has really impressed people | |
| 18:07 | thd | kados: in terms of the degree of serious interest in Koha? |
| 18:08 | kados | well ... I'm not really sure a conference is about generating serious leads |
| 18:08 | it seems more about getting the word out there | |
| 18:08 | thd | conferences are merely advertising |
| 18:08 | kados | trying to introduce people to this new business model |
| 18:09 | thd | kados: you mean old business model |
| 18:09 | kados | heh |
| 18:09 | for libraries this is a new business model ;-) | |
| 18:10 | thd | kados: proprietary systems will one day be a historical anachronism |
| 18:11 | kados | we'll see :-) |
| 18:11 | I certainly hope you're right :-) | |
| 18:11 | but a lot of it falls on the libraries | |
| 18:11 | thd | which were once popular at the end of the 20th and beginning of the 21st century |
| 18:12 | kados: what is the it that falls? | |
| 18:12 | kados | well ... it falls to libraries to support the open source development model |
| 18:12 | to take responsibility for developing the technologies that run their institutions | |
| 18:12 | thd | yes I guessed that you meant that |
| 18:14 | kados: there are other possibilities with a foundation, etc., yet ultimately libraries have to embrace the model or the software from it for it to work | |
| 18:14 | kados | yep |
| 18:22 | chris | i really do think its becoming a matter of adapt or die |
| 18:23 | and the libraries that are forward thinking and realise that they need to be in control of the features they offer | |
| 18:23 | will survive | |
| 18:24 | johnb | I agree with you on that one Chris |
| 18:25 | chris | hi john :-) hows things? |
| 18:28 | johnb | Pretty Good. Beautiful night here in Northwest PA |
| 18:29 | chris | excellent |
| 18:30 | my parents are heading over that way in september | |
| 18:30 | well to pittsburgh and eerie | |
| 18:30 | johnb | Good time to come. Shouuldn't run into too much snow! |
| 18:31 | slef | slef no longer alive bb tomoz |
| 18:31 | kados | johnb: seen the new zoomopac? |
| 18:31 | dewey | I haven't seen 'the', kados |
| 18:31 | kados | johnb: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ |
| 18:31 | dewey | http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look |
| 18:32 | kados | dewey: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac |
| 18:32 | dewey | ...but http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look... |
| 18:32 | kados | dewey: no, http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac |
| 18:32 | dewey | ...but http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look... |
| 18:32 | kados | dewey: no http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac |
| 18:32 | dewey | OK, kados. |
| 18:32 | kados | heh |
| 18:32 | silly bot | |
| 18:32 | johnb | Haven't checked it out, give me a minute. |
| 18:35 | Looks good Kados! | |
| 18:35 | How big is the test database? | |
| 18:35 | kados | it's 300K records |
| 18:35 | quite fast :-) | |
| 18:35 | chris | yep |
| 18:36 | kados | it would be just as fast with 5 million records |
| 18:36 | johnb | Good size. Very fast results. |
| 18:36 | kados | because of the way the indexes are built |
| 18:36 | johnb | Size doesn't Matter?! |
| 18:36 | kados | nope |
| 18:36 | basically, there are only so many words in the language :-) | |
| 18:36 | chris | the slowest bit is fetching the images |
| 18:36 | kados | once you index them all, you're pretty much done |
| 18:37 | chris | itd be even faster with amazon images turned off :-) |
| 18:37 | kados | so the db can scale out to something like 50 million records |
| 18:37 | before there's any noticable speed degredation | |
| 18:37 | chris | unless you add lots of other languages i guess? |
| 18:37 | johnb | Yeah the pictures slow you down, but they are very sexy to us librarians. |
| 18:37 | kados | hehe |
| 18:41 | johnb | Just been playing with the advanced search and power search. |
| 18:42 | Welldone, you can get very specfic results very quickly | |
| 18:42 | kados | yep ... it's quite powerful |
| 18:42 | try an 'exact title' search for 'it' | |
| 18:43 | that's available in the advanced search | |
| 18:43 | try that in another ILS :-) | |
| 18:43 | chris | one little suggestion, purely cosmetic |
| 18:43 | kados | sure |
| 18:43 | chris | with the sort dropdown |
| 18:43 | we could put some javascript to submit onchange | |
| 18:43 | kados | right |
| 18:43 | that'd be nice | |
| 18:44 | chris | so you dont have to hit sort if you have javascript |
| 18:44 | kados | yea ... there's quite a bit of stuff we could do to pretty it up |
| 18:44 | chris | its looking really tight |
| 18:45 | thd | proximity should be part of advanced and/or power search |
| 18:45 | kados | I spent some time looking at some of the other vendor search products today |
| 18:45 | johnb | "it" took less than two seconds to look up 17,000 plus records, very very nice. |
| 18:45 | kados | and was really suprised how lousy their stuff works in comparison |
| 18:45 | chris | yeah |
| 18:45 | i bet it was ugly too | |
| 18:45 | kados | yea, really bad ... and near impossible to customize |
| 18:46 | chris | this is what i find so hard to believe |
| 18:46 | kados | basically, most of these companies have stopped development |
| 18:46 | theyv'e got mostly marketing people | |
| 18:46 | chris | yeah 20 years ago |
| 18:46 | kados | sales reps, etc. |
| 18:46 | thd | kados: what was the most sophisticated other search interface that you saw? |
| 18:46 | kados | and they sell 10 year old software :-) |
| 18:46 | chris | snap |
| 18:46 | kados | thd: i haven't seen a more sophisticated search than Koha |
| 18:47 | thd: or at least, i haven't seen anything they are doing that I couldn't do in 3 minutes using the zoom framework i built for searching | |
| 18:47 | chris | :-) |
| 18:47 | thd | kados: who had the next most sophisticated? |
| 18:47 | kados | by merely changing some html in the template :-) |
| 18:47 | no coding at all :-) | |
| 18:47 | probably sirsi/dynix | |
| 18:48 | thd | kados: can you describe what it had or did not have that was distinctive? |
| 18:48 | kados | thd: no :-) |
| 18:48 | thd: I plan to make some lists tomorrow | |
| 18:49 | thd: today I was just kinda browsing | |
| 18:49 | thd: but the idea is ... get a list of everything everyone's doing | |
| 18:49 | thd: then implement it over the next few evenings :-) | |
| 18:49 | thd | kados: how does the current SIRSI/Dynix system compare with Open WorldCat? |
| 18:49 | s/Open// | |
| 18:50 | kados | thd: I'll have to compare it tomorrow in more detail |
| 18:50 | thd | s/Open/OCLC/ |
| 18:52 | chris | what are they giveaways this year? |
| 18:52 | they=the | |
| 18:52 | kados | hehe ... there are loads of them |
| 18:53 | librarians walking around with bags and bags of trinkets | |
| 18:53 | really funny to watch | |
| 18:53 | chris | anyone beat a free entire ILS ? |
| 18:53 | :-) | |
| 18:53 | kados | kinda like a carnival |
| 18:53 | hehe | |
| 18:53 | chris | yeah i always come home with a bag of swag |
| 18:53 | johnb | Chris you can always tell the rookies at ALA because they pick up all the swag then can't fit in their bags to bring home! |
| 18:53 | chris | hehe |
| 18:54 | kados | hehe |
| 18:55 | chris | ok im off to watch nz vs argentina in rugby, catch up with you later |
| 18:55 | kados | ciao |
| 18:57 | johnb | See you guys later, going to the movies. |
| 19:03 | thd | kados: Bug 1104 may occur in other instances |
| 19:03 | kados: I have only extensively tested adding an additional repeated field | |
| 19:04 | kados | thd: it's fixed now :-) |
| 19:05 | thd: just a missing encoding declaration | |
| 19:05 | thd | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay kados |
| 19:06 | kados | :-) |
| 19:06 | I can't commit the change because it would create conflicts with pauls' changes | |
| 19:06 | but at least the system you'll be working on is fixed :-) | |
| 19:07 | thd | kados: my own system does not work :) |
| 19:07 | kados | do you have 'TemplateEncoding' defined as 'UTF-8'? |
| 19:08 | in your system preferences? | |
| 19:08 | thd | kados: yes |
| 19:09 | kados | for a temporary fix |
| 19:09 | look for all instances of 'new_from_xml' in addbiblio.pl | |
| 19:09 | and make sure they look like this: | |
| 19:09 | my $record=MARC::Record->new_from_xml($xml, 'UTF-8'); | |
| 19:10 | thd | kados: there is one very scary bug though |
| 19:10 | kados | which? |
| 19:10 | dewey | i think which is really annoying |
| 19:10 | kados | heh |
| 19:11 | thd | kados: the one where the record is deleted if your IP address changes while editing |
| 19:11 | kados | heh |
| 19:11 | nothing I can do about that | |
| 19:11 | thd | kados: what is the cause of that? |
| 19:11 | kados | without re-writing all the auth.pm stuff |
| 19:11 | it's not really a bug | |
| 19:11 | it has to do with session management | |
| 19:11 | thd | kados: all of it really!!?? |
| 19:11 | kados | it's actually a security feature |
| 19:12 | so that someone can't steal your session | |
| 19:12 | thd | kados: In case you record was captured by the enemy we will prevent it from talking :) |
| 19:12 | kados | if you want to dispable it |
| 19:12 | disable even | |
| 19:12 | you can just set auth=0 | |
| 19:13 | when defining the template | |
| 19:13 | thd | \kados: yes i would like to disable it on my own system |
| 19:13 | kados | sorry |
| 19:13 | this ... | |
| 19:13 | authnotrequired => 0, | |
| 19:13 | change it to: | |
| 19:13 | dewey | kados: that doesn't look right |
| 19:13 | kados | authnotrequired => 1, |
| 19:13 | that should fix the problem | |
| 19:14 | thd | \kados: where do I make that change or do I just turn off authentication in the system preferences? |
| 19:15 | kados: Is the effect to turn off all authentication? | |
| 19:15 | kados | for addbiblio, yes :) |
| 19:16 | thd | kados: so the change would be made in addbiblio.pl? |
| 19:16 | kados | there are two paths |
| 19:16 | you can change addbiblio.pl | |
| 19:16 | which will only affect that script | |
| 19:16 | or you can alter the system preference | |
| 19:16 | which in theory will turn off authentication for the whole intranet | |
| 19:17 | I say in theory because I've never tested it to see if turning it off actually does anything ;-) | |
| 19:17 | thd | kados: altering the system preference would seem unwise for this problem if it can be done on addbiblio alone |
| 19:18 | kados | yep, I agree |
| 19:18 | ok ... I'm gonna get busy coding | |
| 19:18 | thd | thank you kados |
| 11:56 | johnb | nick johnb away |
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