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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 14:07 | owen | any Perl-savvy humans out there? |
| 14:07 | genji_ | -yawn- yes? |
| 14:08 | owen | Sorry, didn't mean to wake you :) |
| 14:08 | genji_ | you didn't So, whats up? |
| 14:08 | owen | I'm confused about a line of code that has an unfamiliar syntax |
| 14:08 | my $title = $subscriptions->[0]{bibliotitle}; | |
| 14:08 | It's part of serial-issues.pl | |
| 14:09 | How does the [0] affect it? | |
| 14:09 | genji_ | First item in hash array, field bibliotitle. |
| 14:11 | owen | Hmmm...so if $subscriptions also contains a value for subscriptionid, I should be able to get it by saying, my $subscriptionid = $subscriptions->[0]{subscriptionid}; ? |
| 14:11 | genji_ | think so. but, $subscriptions seems to be a multi item array. |
| 14:12 | so you'd only get the first item. | |
| 14:12 | else, why put the [0] | |
| 14:12 | This is pure logic speaking. | |
| 14:12 | owen | Right, I understand |
| 14:25 | kados | does anyone know why someone would want to display multiple MARC records side-by-side ... ? |
| 14:25 | genji_ | Comparision, for record merge./ |
| 14:26 | kados | ahh ... |
| 14:26 | I guess Koha doesn't support this yet ;-) | |
| 14:26 | owen | Sounds like a very specialized cataloging tool |
| 14:26 | I don't remember anything like that from our previous system | |
| 14:33 | genji_ | going offline for a bit. changing modems. |
| 14:47 | genji | and im back. |
| 15:04 | hdl | kados : Did you read thd's question ? |
| 15:09 | hi osmoze | |
| 15:32 | kados | no ... missed it |
| 15:33 | hdl: I don't see the question | |
| 17:16 | thd | kados: are you there? |
| 17:24 | kados | thd: not really ;-) |
| 17:24 | thd: do you have a pressing question? | |
| 17:24 | thd | kados: what had wanted to ask me on Saturday? |
| 17:25 | kados | it had to do with ALA character support in Koha |
| 17:25 | thd | kados: had you wanted to know about MARC-8, ANSEL, ALA character sets? |
| 17:25 | kados | yep |
| 17:25 | do you have any knowledge of these? | |
| 17:26 | are they covered in UTF-8? | |
| 17:26 | ie if we switch to UTF-8 will we have support for them or is it more complicated? | |
| 17:27 | thd | kados: Library character sets preceded unicode for solving the same problem but they are not the same and not supported by common programming language functions. |
| 17:29 | kados: however, there is MARC::Charset for the MARC 21 conversions. | |
| 17:29 | kados | shoot ... |
| 17:29 | Kkoha doesn't use MARC::Charset do we? | |
| 17:29 | thd | kados: No, I was very disappointed :) |
| 17:30 | Kados: Someone did not do their homework :) | |
| 17:31 | kados: This affects any non-ASCII character, even simple accented characters from French. | |
| 17:33 | kados: What I do not understand is why BnF is distributing records in ISO 8859 that is not a UNIMARC character set. | |
| 17:36 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 17:37 | It would be very nice if we could get MARC-8, ANSEL and ALA char sets supported in the display | |
| 17:37 | I suppose it would be hard to get all of them to display at the same time eh? | |
| 17:37 | we need a charset expert | |
| 17:37 | thd | kados: Encode::MAB2 will convert from ISO 5426 one way only for UNIMARC. |
| 17:37 | kados | or someone needs to become one ;-) |
| 17:37 | ooh ... that sounds nice | |
| 17:37 | thd | kados: I have become one |
| 17:38 | rach | :-) |
| 17:38 | thd | kados: almost |
| 17:38 | kados | thd: do you think you could get MARC-8, ANSEl and ALA working in Koha? |
| 17:40 | thd | kados: I intend to. A conversion is necessary whatever the record has to UTF-8 in Koha. |
| 17:41 | kados | sweet |
| 17:41 | thd | kados: Then for the record editor and OPAC the conversion should go out in ISO 8859 |
| 17:42 | kados: OPAC clients cannot be expected to have UTF-8 support and even record editor clients have a problem. | |
| 17:44 | kados: If your library is running MS Windows for the client browser then there is no UTF-8 support ,only UTF-16, which is a problem unless everything can be converted to ISO 8859 going out.. | |
| 17:45 | kados: You do not want to mess with UTF-16 just to support a non-free OS. UTF-16 introduces complications. | |
| 17:46 | kados: Queries coming back from the client have to be converted back to UTF-8 for Koha. | |
| 17:49 | kados | gotcha |
| 17:49 | thd | kados: Of course if the script is not supported in an ISO 8559 encoding then the client must support UTF-8 which means no MS Windows for the Chinese users unless someone is willing to cope with the complications of UTF-16 conversion. |
| 17:50 | kados | thd: here's a question for you about MARC ... should there by system limitations on the number or length of records and fields(e.g., notes fields in order or MARC records)? |
| 17:51 | thd | kados: YAZ also has character set conversions. However, I have found a very bad bug in the MARC-8 to ISO 8859 conversion for YAZ. When encountered, the remainder of the record is eaten :) |
| 17:53 | kados: If the record approaches the limit for maximum size, which apparently you found then records should be converted to MARC XML before a danger threshold is reached. | |
| 17:56 | kados: I do not know the parameters for reaching the danger threshold. You would need a real MARC expert for that, aside from much experimentation to see what happens when building records with known test characteristics. I could enquire from some people who may know. | |
| 17:58 | kados: Very early this morning, I posted some questions to hdl about some confusing language for a few features in the Koha roadmap. | |
| 17:59 | kados: most of the roadmap feature descriptions seem as if they have some Babelfish problems in translation to English, but three had me baffled. | |
| 18:01 | kados: Did paul write most of the roadmap descriptions? hdl was unable to answer my confusion, he seemed to defer to you. | |
| 18:03 | Kados, Keeper of the Roadmap | |
| 18:07 | kados: are you still with us? | |
| 07:01 | osmoze | paul_away> quand t es par la, tu peux me biper stp :) |
| 08:09 | Sylvain | hi |
| 11:04 | hdl | hi |
| 11:05 | Sylvain : have you found answers ? | |
| 11:43 | am I alone ? |
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