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| 13:59 | owen | Hi meushi... I didn't see you come in. |
| 14:10 | meushi | hi owen |
| 14:10 | sorry for the lag :) | |
| 14:11 | owen | I don't think I've seen you here before |
| 14:12 | meushi | indeed not, first visit... discovered koha this morning |
| 14:12 | owen | How'd you hear about it? |
| 14:13 | meushi | through an email at work |
| 14:13 | another department had issues with it | |
| 14:13 | so I looked into it | |
| 14:13 | owen | Uh oh... issues? :) |
| 14:13 | meushi | only one left for today is barcodes :D |
| 14:14 | which version of PDF::API2 is supposed to work for barcodeGenerator? | |
| 14:14 | owen | Barcodes are a toughy |
| 14:14 | meushi | yeah |
| 14:15 | if I knock that one out, the only issue remaining for later adoption of the product is unicode | |
| 14:17 | owen | Okay...Looks like version 0.3r77 is what it needs |
| 14:20 | meushi | cool, I'll get that one tomorrow |
| 14:20 | owen | What template are you using? |
| 14:20 | meushi | default one |
| 14:21 | I just had a few hours to play with it, so I didn't tweak anything yet | |
| 14:21 | then I'll probably need to have a look at their current fugly hack of a solution to get the data over | |
| 14:22 | owen | Where are you located, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 14:22 | meushi | Luxembourg, Europe |
| 14:23 | oh | |
| 14:23 | close to Athens, by any chance? | |
| 14:23 | owen | Yup. |
| 14:23 | meushi | hehe |
| 14:23 | I've got a few friends in there | |
| 14:24 | owen | The public library where I work has a branch in Athens: http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us |
| 14:25 | meushi | nice |
| 15:54 | owen | Hi russ |
| 15:54 | russ | hi owen |
| 15:55 | rach | hi |
| 15:57 | owen | Hi to rach too. |
| 15:58 | So when does it start looking like Spring there? | |
| 15:58 | russ | today :-) |
| 15:58 | rach | yesterday was officially spring |
| 15:59 | russ | and it is nice and sunny here today |
| 16:00 | hi shaun | |
| 16:00 | shaun | hi russ |
| 16:01 | i've been playing with kea, squashing out some bugs in the html and transferring html 4 to xhtml (although still no promised homepage patch) | |
| 16:01 | russ | cool - one thing with the page editor |
| 16:02 | i am not sure what kind of html it generates | |
| 16:03 | shaun | hmm, i'm sure the latest version does xhtml 1.0 |
| 16:03 | i've noticed a problem - is there any way we can get the title style "Koha | About > FAQ" style rather than just "FAQ" without messing up the breadcrumbs and auto navigation? | |
| 16:04 | russ | it would be ok for the navigation - cos we can overide the defualt title with a "short name" |
| 16:04 | but the bread crumbs would break | |
| 16:04 | they run solely off the page title | |
| 16:05 | chris | yep |
| 16:05 | shaun | so i'll have to unbreak them and just go with the section title then :-( |
| 16:06 | russ | sorry - all the katipods are aware kea is not perfect |
| 16:06 | owen | That's why they won't release it ;) |
| 16:07 | shaun | (would be an awesome open source cms, i reckon) |
| 16:07 | russ | that may happen soon |
| 16:08 | we have a new skin for the file manager interface coming - which should make it a bit better looking | |
| 16:08 | shaun | is there no code that will make the breadcrumbs run off the short name rather than the page title? |
| 16:09 | russ | i'll ask but i don't think so |
| 16:10 | rach | breadcrumbs were done first in the coding of kea - a few years before the short names |
| 16:10 | chris | i could whack up some code |
| 16:10 | but we have about 100 sites now | |
| 16:10 | so it wont be going live without rigourous testing .. ie probably not before the site is finished :-) | |
| 16:11 | shaun | there has to be - although it may take some configurating, you should be able to get the same thing as in the navigation, methinks |
| 16:11 | chris | yep of course |
| 16:11 | just have to write the code to do it | |
| 16:11 | but as i said, im not doing it on the live kea server :-) | |
| 16:11 | and now i have to go to a drs appt | |
| 16:11 | shaun | do you have one kea install per server or per site? |
| 16:12 | rach | nope - one big kea server |
| 16:12 | that does all the sites | |
| 16:13 | so one kea per server - and we have a nice place to go set up new sites, and new users, and join you up to different sites | |
| 16:13 | russ | we actually have about 4 kea servers, but that is a long story |
| 16:14 | for the purposes of this discussion one kea per server | |
| 16:14 | rach | they all run multiple sites |
| 16:28 | shaun | russ: i take it you've got a plan for getting the search and news running? |
| 16:28 | russ | oh yep |
| 16:29 | one of the lads will install the news module todya | |
| 16:29 | and the search wont work on the edit site | |
| 16:29 | but i will get someone to set it up for the live site | |
| 16:30 | we'll use htdig (is what we normally use) | |
| 16:31 | do you want to do a layout for the search results page? | |
| 16:32 | http://www.koha.org/cgi-bin/htsearch | |
| 16:32 | shaun | yeah, that's why i was asking - i planned on using <dl> for the search results |
| 16:32 | ht://Dig error | |
| 16:33 | htsearch detected an error. Please report this to the webmaster of this site. The error message is: | |
| 16:33 | Unable to read configuration file | |
| 16:33 | russ | oh right go to the home page of koha.org and search on something |
| 16:34 | shaun | that's all good, although <b> should be done in css |
| 16:35 | russ | yeah i am not sure how easy that is to change with htdig |
| 16:38 | kados you around? | |
| 16:45 | meushi | gnite |
| 16:45 | and thanks for the help owen :) | |
| 16:46 | shaun | i'm off too (getting tired) |
| 16:46 | russ: have we got a deadline for the site? | |
| 16:47 | russ | id like to get the content this week |
| 16:48 | so that we can go live by the end of next week | |
| 16:48 | i mean content this weekend | |
| 16:48 | if i dont get content by wednesday, i will just start plugging in the old stuff | |
| 16:49 | shaun | i will do a run through before it goes live to make sure it's all good for WCAG and compliant |
| 16:50 | s/compliant/compliance | |
| 19:22 | Irma | G'day all...is Russel about? |
| 19:22 | chris | hes just at lunch irma |
| 19:23 | Irma | Hi Chris U r OK? |
| 19:23 | chris | yep, looking forward to the weekend and catching up on some sleep :) |
| 19:24 | how bout urself? | |
| 19:27 | Irma | crazy pace but well....have just about finalized with Brenda Mc Conchie the research task for the ACT Department of Education ...looking at ILS for their highschools |
| 19:28 | hence could not join in the IRC meeting yesterday...suddenly needed to expand on some aspects...all is ok again and ready for the website proofreading/editing this weekend | |
| 19:29 | genji | hmmm? aussie highschools could be taking up Koha? |
| 19:29 | All of them, in ACT? | |
| 19:30 | chris | ahh cool irma |
| 19:30 | Irma | I made a visible Koha presence in the argument |
| 19:30 | genji | Sweet! well done Irma! |
| 19:31 | Irma | the email from the librarian in Alaska was timely...could not get hold of Steve in BC but Steven in Ohio found some links I could insert into the report... |
| 19:32 | chris | cool |
| 19:32 | Irma | can't chat long next job is lurking impatiantlly around the desktop already... |
| 19:32 | chris | have a good weekend, ill let russ know about the proof reading |
| 19:33 | Irma | enjoy the w/e and will try to catch Russel after the staff meeting in the late afternoon |
| 19:33 | chris | cool |
| 19:35 | Irma | ciao genji...this Koha for government schools makes so much sense to me seeing librarians are naturals at networking/sharing stretching the dollar...but a mind shift takes time...so let's wait and see. |
| 19:35 | genji | yup. Eager to see NZ schools using koha, instead of forking out for Dynix or whatever they use. |
| 19:36 | Hey, just this year, Palmerston North Library upgraded from Dynix to another more guied, prettier and fuller featured Dynix product. | |
| 19:37 | Could of took that money and shoved it into Koha, for much better. | |
| 19:37 | Irma | and paid? yep..I'll better get on with it...sorry...talk another time again. Bye. |
| 20:30 | kados | chris got a sec? |
| 20:30 | russ | hi kados |
| 20:30 | kados | hey russ |
| 20:30 | how do I publish something when I've uploaded it? | |
| 20:31 | chris | ah luckily ive just set up triggering |
| 20:31 | it will depend if you have rights too kados | |
| 20:31 | kados | ahh ... maybe I don't then ... |
| 20:31 | chris | on the bottom of the page |
| 20:31 | kados | I really like Kea btw .... nice job |
| 20:31 | chris | Action on checked files: |
| 20:31 | kados | i see notify, move, rename, copy delete |
| 20:31 | chris | ahh there you go |
| 20:31 | you can notify | |
| 20:32 | kados | k |
| 20:32 | chris | which sends an email |
| 20:32 | to ppl with trigger rights | |
| 20:32 | kados | to irma i suppose ... our editor |
| 20:32 | chris | and then they can read it and trigger it live |
| 20:32 | kados | then to rach for final approval |
| 20:32 | k ... thanks | |
| 20:32 | russ | kados you have notify |
| 20:32 | kados | now ... I'm a bit confused about navigation |
| 20:32 | russ | actually that remind me |
| 20:32 | kados | for the 'support' page for instance |
| 20:33 | russ | yep |
| 20:33 | kados | do we have plans to have second-level navigation? |
| 20:33 | or a column for the third level? | |
| 20:33 | russ | ? |
| 20:33 | what do you want to do? | |
| 20:34 | kados | well ... not sure really |
| 20:34 | looks like right now all the content I can add is just text | |
| 20:34 | russ | what kind of other content do you want to add? |
| 20:34 | kados | am I also expected to include links to the next level of content? |
| 20:34 | russ | no - kea will make those links for you |
| 20:35 | when you make a new page | |
| 20:35 | it will add that page to the side navigation | |
| 20:35 | are you logged into the edit site at the moment? | |
| 20:35 | kados | ahh |
| 20:35 | yea | |
| 20:35 | I got it now ... this is really sweet | |
| 20:35 | russ | cool |
| 20:36 | the lhs side nav shows you all the pages in the folder plus the index page of any sub folder | |
| 20:37 | kados | russ: o users were found with trigger rights over this file. |
| 20:37 | russ: s/no/o/ | |
| 20:37 | russ | ah right |
| 20:37 | yep 2 secs | |
| 20:37 | kados | I tried that with 'awards.html' |
| 20:38 | ok new question | |
| 20:38 | nevermind ... I see the 'index.html' in awards dir | |
| 20:38 | russ | kados try the notify now |
| 20:39 | kados | russ: k ... I think it worked |
| 20:40 | russ | jmfliblime.com has edited the following file and requests that it be triggered to the live site: |
| 20:40 | http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz[…]-koha/awards.html | |
| 20:40 | To trigger the file please follow this link: | |
| 20:40 | just got that email | |
| 20:40 | kados | cool |
| 20:40 | russ | so yep that is all good |
| 20:40 | kados | nice ... it worked |
| 20:40 | or did it ... is it live now? | |
| 20:41 | or am I just seeing the edit screen again ;-) | |
| 20:41 | chris | nope it wont be live until someone triggers it |
| 20:41 | russ | no not untill i action the trigger |
| 20:41 | chris | you have just notified that you want it triggered |
| 20:41 | russ | i am picking that nothing on the site has been triggered yet |
| 20:41 | chris | and then it will show up at the live site |
| 20:41 | which is on a whole different machine | |
| 20:41 | kados | ahh |
| 20:41 | russ | but you can preview the edit site |
| 20:41 | http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/support/pay.html | |
| 20:41 | kados | wow ... |
| 20:42 | chris | which is the feature i like best about kea |
| 20:42 | it doesnt (in fact shouldnt) run on the same box as the live site | |
| 20:42 | kados | yea ... that rocks |
| 20:42 | russ: for the pay for support site ... I want to run something by you | |
| 20:43 | russ | sure |
| 20:43 | kados | russ: I'm thinking we should have that be the main support page |
| 20:43 | with links to 'other support' for IRC, lists etc. | |
| 20:43 | since this site is really a marketing site for admins, etc. | |
| 20:43 | what do you think? | |
| 20:43 | russ | what i was thinking |
| 20:44 | is that we should push the whole it is your choice | |
| 20:44 | and that the support page would advertise the 2 options | |
| 20:44 | and then on the free support page | |
| 20:44 | we could give some pointers along the lines of - these are volunteers | |
| 20:44 | you are asking - so be nice type of thing | |
| 20:44 | and then have the other option with the companies | |
| 20:45 | i am picking the community is still keen to offer some level of "free" support? | |
| 20:45 | kados | hmmm |
| 20:45 | right ... well here's what I'm thinking | |
| 20:45 | based on the history here | |
| 20:46 | Koha features never change through 'volunteer' efforts ;-) | |
| 20:46 | it's just a historical fact for this project | |
| 20:46 | we dont' have a large enough user base | |
| 20:46 | chris | hmm dunno about that |
| 20:46 | kados | all the major features and most of the minor features have come from paying developers |
| 20:46 | really? | |
| 20:46 | chris | theres gotta be at least 200hrs of volunteer labour in there from me |
| 20:47 | kados | hehe |
| 20:47 | yea ... that's true | |
| 20:48 | chris | plus the whole C4::Context module |
| 20:48 | kados | well ... how sustainable is that chris? ;-) |
| 20:48 | chris | andrew wrote that, with no financial gain |
| 20:48 | kados | andrew? |
| 20:49 | chris | i forget his last name, started with a also |
| 20:49 | arsenberger perhaps | |
| 20:49 | kados | anyway, my thought is simply that maybe the 'main' focus be on getting commercial support |
| 20:49 | with plenty of links to 'free' options as well | |
| 20:49 | chris | yep as long as we have all the links to free stuff thats good |
| 20:49 | kados | I think that's a good approch for two reasons |
| 20:50 | one, it's good for those of us trying to support Koha (advertising) | |
| 20:50 | chris | ppl still freak out at free stuff |
| 20:50 | kados | two, I think libraries (at least in the US) are skeptical of 'purely volunteeer' stuff |
| 20:50 | yea | |
| 20:51 | it's a strange thing to observe | |
| 20:51 | chris | yeah, its a sad but true attitude |
| 20:51 | if someone does it for free, it must suck | |
| 20:51 | kados | heh ... yea |
| 20:51 | chris | when often the reverse is true |
| 20:51 | kados | yep |
| 21:01 | russ | sorry just on the phone |
| 21:08 | kados - i dont have a problem with the main support page being the pay for support | |
| 21:08 | but i think we should have a seperate page explaining how the whole free support thing works | |
| 21:27 | kados | definitely! |
| 21:33 | russ | ideally if we get a bunch of companies offering support |
| 21:33 | then we will need regional pages | |
| 21:33 | but i think 1 page should cover it for now | |
| 21:33 | kados | russ: right |
| 21:35 | russ: should the 'koha team' bios be a new level or should they be on the same page? | |
| 21:35 | russ: I'm thinking a new page for each bio or one new page for all the bios | |
| 21:40 | russ | how many bios? |
| 21:41 | kaitiaki, 3.0 release manager, 2.2. release maintainer and who else? | |
| 21:42 | if we are going to have multiple pages i think an intro page that has some information about the make up of the koha team would be a good idea | |
| 21:42 | kados | yea ... working on that right now ... |
| 21:42 | but that page prolly shouldn't have bios on it | |
| 21:42 | russ | no |
| 21:43 | so make a folder for it, index page with general team makeup and then sep pages for bios | |
| 21:43 | i think that is a good idea | |
| 21:45 | kados | k |
| 21:52 | russ: well ... some stuff is up there now | |
| 21:53 | russ | cool |
| 21:53 | how is kea going for you so far? | |
| 21:54 | kados | I love it |
| 22:01 | ok ... I'm exhausted ... gotta get some sleep | |
| 22:01 | russ | catch you later |
| 23:25 | thd- | Are any Kea people present? |
| 23:34 | genji | Ya, I know Kea. What do you need? |
| 23:34 | thd-? | |
| 23:37 | thd- | genji: I had noticed soemthing odd at http://www.katipo.co.nz/soluti[…]ontentmanagement/ where I find no images. |
| 23:38 | genji | you see no images at all? |
| 23:39 | thd- | genji: maybe just an unusual case of something broken. There is no base url set in a meta tag so as I am using Opera from someone elses computer I see no images on that page from the relative image links. |
| 23:40 | genji | ahh. so, what your really asking, is if a Katipo site Kea editor could fix it, eh? |
| 23:41 | thd- | genji: I imagined that I may have found a general problem but there appears to be no problem on the tutorial pages. I have not checked whether the images are absolute or relative on the tutorial pages. |
| 23:56 | genji: links seem to be relative in both the Kea tutorial and http://www.katipo.co.nz/soluti[…]ontentmanagement/ . No meta element for base URL is present in either case. Yet, the images work in Opera for the tutorial only. | |
| 23:58 | genji: Do you see images on http://www.katipo.co.nz/soluti[…]ontentmanagement/ ? | |
| 00:04 | hello russ | |
| 00:04 | russ | hi thd |
| 00:04 | hmm that is weird | |
| 00:04 | those images are there | |
| 00:04 | hmm | |
| 00:04 | thd- | russ: Not in Opera |
| 00:04 | russ | weird |
| 00:05 | that is an old page that would have been created pre the new editor | |
| 00:05 | chris | http://www.katipo.co.nz/images[…]/kea-overview.gif that work for you thd ? |
| 00:05 | thd- | russ: I see the image areas as blank pages. |
| 00:06 | chris | cos <img height="166" alt="Kea Overview" src="/images/content/kea-overview.gif" border="0" width="400" /> is hte code |
| 00:06 | which all looks pretty standard to me | |
| 00:07 | russ | thd - how are you going with the content you are down to write? |
| 00:07 | thd- | s/pages/regions |
| 00:07 | russ | i can give you a login to the cms if you are ready to upload it |
| 00:07 | i just need your email address | |
| 00:08 | thd- | I am not back home yet but I am editing some content at a friends place now. |
| 00:08 | russ: kohaagogme.com |
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| 00:09 | chris: http://www.katipo.co.nz/images[…]/kea-overview.gif displayed in Opera. | |
| 00:10 | chris | very weird, there seems nothing tricky in the html |
| 00:10 | but then i purposely avoid learning html, so my opinion doesnt count for much | |
| 00:11 | russ | two secs thd |
| 00:12 | thd- | chris: You learn that much extra Perl instead of HTML? :) |
| 00:13 | chris | if i learn it, someone will ask me to write it :-) |
| 00:13 | russ | thd just msg your your login details |
| 00:14 | there are some details on kea and references on where to go for howto's here | |
| 00:14 | http://www.russandsarah.gen.nz[…]webredev/kea.html | |
| 00:17 | thd any questions about kea drop me an email | |
| 00:23 | thd- | chis: HTML is usually easier to debug. Perl is certaily more fun to create. HTML is a merely a markup language. Doing innovative things in a markup language only breaks compatibility. |
| 00:29 | chris: One can be innovative with HTML without breaking compatibility. It just requires care and learning to use the oldest instead of the newest HTML tags. | |
| 00:34 | I find this expanation confusing, "Orange (with text struck through) untriggered delete: The file has been deleted from the edit site but not from the live site. File needs to be triggered to action delete. (Moving a file will create a modified file in the new location, and on untriggered delete in the old location)" | |
| 00:35 | from http://www.katipo.co.nz/client[…]ial1/colours.html | |
| 00:37 | chris | hmmm i suspect a bad cut and paste |
| 00:37 | ahh no a typo | |
| 00:37 | it should be | |
| 00:37 | moving a file will create a modified file in the new location, and an untriggered delete in the old location | |
| 00:37 | on = an | |
| 00:39 | fixed | |
| 00:40 | thd- | chris: I noticed but did not comment on the typo. That I understood. The previous sentence is unclear. |
| 00:41 | chris | right youve read this eh? |
| 00:41 | http://www.katipo.co.nz/client[…]torial1/edit.html | |
| 00:42 | no changes you make on the edit site (including deletes) will be made on the live site, until you trigger those changes live | |
| 00:42 | only certain people have the permissions to trigger also | |
| 00:43 | thd- | chris: yes, I guess the use of action as a verb had confused me. |
| 00:43 | chris: "to action" | |
| 00:43 | chris | ah right |
| 00:43 | we say that in new zealand english | |
| 00:44 | thd- | chris: Really, that is a common convention? |
| 00:44 | chris | yep |
| 00:44 | to action this change you will need to reply to this email | |
| 00:45 | thd- | chris: Does it appear in print as well or more usually in the spoken form? |
| 00:46 | chris | im fairly certain ive had it print form from places like banks offering me things |
| 00:46 | thd- | chirs: How old is this usage? |
| 00:47 | chris | no idea |
| 00:47 | Finance was well placed to action these changes in a timely manner. Prior to the Prime Minister's announcement on 23 November 2001 | |
| 00:47 | the australians seem to use it also :-) | |
| 00:47 | thd- | chris: I will have to consult the OED, 2nd ed. when I have a chance. |
| 00:47 | chris | http://66.102.7.104/search?q=c[…]+changes%22&hl=en |
| 00:48 | oh we dont have to follow the OED down here | |
| 00:48 | oxfords a long way away from new zealand :-) | |
| 00:48 | http://66.102.7.104/search?q=c[…]+changes%22&hl=en | |
| 00:48 | looks like they use it in the uk as well | |
| 00:49 | thd- | chris: The OED project intends to record all English not just the home counties. |
| 00:49 | chris | phrase searching on google is a wonderful thing :) |
| 00:51 | right tis 5.51pm on a friday, time for me to finish work I feel | |
| 00:51 | cya later thd | |
| 00:51 | thd- | chris: The OED is at least now meant to be a descriptive as opposed to prescriptive dictionary. |
| 00:52 | Good evening chris | |
| 01:36 | VivekVC | indradg: Hello |
| 01:36 | Sylvain: Hello :) | |
| 01:45 | Hello | |
| 01:47 | osmoze | hello too |
| 02:11 | VivekVC | I am preparing an indianised doc of koha for my employer. |
| 02:55 | paul | salut hdl |
| 02:55 | hdl | salut paul. |
| 02:55 | Ca va ? | |
| 02:55 | paul | j'avais oublié de te dire que j'étais à Paris hier |
| 02:55 | (pour l'Inrets) | |
| 02:55 | oui, validation des SFD la semaine prochaine. | |
| 02:56 | hdl | wow. |
| 02:56 | paul | contrat signé avec SQLI et facturation des SFD dès que j'ai reçu le BdC officiel ;-) |
| 02:56 | hdl | Les réunions se sont bien passées ? |
| 02:56 | paul | (bref, conforme au plan de route...) |
| 02:56 | oui, c'est un peu parti en live à un moment, mais ca concernait go albert et SQLI, donc j'ai compté les points ;-) | |
| 02:57 | (cela dit, on a une fois encore vu les effets du commercial : AMI, c'était un peu survendu par Go Alb ert finalement ;-) | |
| 10:58 | kados | morning owen |
| 10:58 | owen | Hi |
| 10:58 | kados | I'm just looking at this barcode printing problem |
| 10:58 | owen | I stopped by to see your new server room this morning |
| 10:58 | You've even got a desk! | |
| 10:58 | kados | yea :-) |
| 10:59 | I get an 500 error on the barcodes/printerConfig screen | |
| 10:59 | owen | Which server? |
| 10:59 | kados | Can't locate PDF/API2/PDF/Utils.pm |
| 11:00 | NBBC | |
| 11:00 | that looks familiar | |
| 11:00 | owen | It was working okay on 101 yesterday. That's where I was working on it yesterday |
| 11:01 | kados | yea ... cause it's got that ancient version of PDF::API2 |
| 11:01 | guess I'll have to copy it over ... | |
| 11:01 | owen | That's the requirement, isn't it? The ancient one? |
| 11:01 | kados | yea |
| 11:48 | owen | shaun, are you around? |
| 11:55 | shaun | owen: yep |
| 11:55 | owen | shaun, did rach give you copies of the Koha logo in some kind of original format? |
| 11:55 | shaun | (in between piano concerti and eating) |
| 11:55 | yep, i'll dig it out for you | |
| 11:56 | owen | I'd love it if you could email it to me when you get a free moment. |
| 11:57 | shaun | i have eps and freehand 11 for original formats |
| 11:58 | owen | Could you send both? I have Freehand 10, but I'm not sure about backwards-compatibility. Or would that be too much to send? |
| 11:59 | shaun | not at all, i'm sending all the files now |
| 11:59 | owen | Thanks! |
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